“„DR: What sort of animals would they use?
“„Gaubatz: Goats, primarily.
“„DR: Can you describe what took place with the animals?
“„Gaubatz: They’d bring the animals in, put them in the pens. They’d put curtains down, or a wall, to see if [the beam] could go through walls. And it would. You can go to different degrees; you can do nonlethal. But it was not designed as nonlethal.
“„DR: Would the animals die quickly?
“„Gaubatz: It was quick.