Cass Sunstein Confirmed 57-40

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Thursday, September 10, 2009 at 4:10 pm

Cass Sunstein, President Obama’s pick to head the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs, was confirmed handily by the Senate just now by a vote of 57 ayes to 40 nays. Glenn Beck will no doubt rue this day for as long as he shall live.

As was the case during yesterday’s cloture vote, Sens. Blanche Lincoln (D-Ark.) and James Webb (D-Va.) voted against Sunstein. Though he supported cloture for the Harvard law professor, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), who caucuses with the Democrats, also voted “no” on Sunstein’s confirmation. Sen. Al Franken (D-Minn.) presided over the vote.

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Name
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 8:15 pm

LOL, the socialist voted “no”. How is Glenny going to explain that?


So
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 8:56 pm

Joining Glenn Beck in ruing this day will be anyone who cares about the government doing its job of protecting the public. Especially workers, who will be appalled to know Sunstein's dim views on OSHA.

Seriously, Independent, this is your umpteenth post on the Sunstein nomination, and each time you have failed to mention the PROGRESSIVE critiques of Sunstein.


strangely_enough
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 9:39 pm

I was secretly hoping Beck actually would torpedo this guy, but then there do seem to be multiple standards at work.


wimpygirl
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 9:46 pm

This is a sad sad day. His view on the 2nd ammendment and hunting is not going over too good in my state. Buy now. Last month over 1 million guns were sold.


Armyspouse1988
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 10:21 pm

I guess that means my dog will be commin after me, yipes–life in America is getting very creepy.


lightnin57
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 11:41 pm

consider this vote to be the end of the U.S. Constitution as we know it. once the 2nd Amendment is considered null and void, the rest will follow soon…..


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brendanm
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 3:58 am

The Alien and Sedition Act, the Patriot Act, the illegal war in Iraq, the confirmation votes for Bush's criminal AGs, the gutting of Habeas Corpus, the cornerstone of Anglo-American law for centuries – none of these compare to the confirmation of a well-respected, brilliant, and libertarian-leaning academic to a relatively powerless and obscure office.

You sound like a rational individual with very interesting ideas. Please, go on.


brendanm
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 3:59 am

Not as creepy as what you must be doing to your dog that might constitute animal cruelty which has you worried so much…


brendanm
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 4:04 am

I share some of your concerns, but don't let the hyperbole of the wingnuts convince you that the OIRA has any outsized power to change government regulations. We have the very strongly pro-worker Hilda Solis at Labor working hard to repair the damage done by the previous anti-worker administration, and that is much more important.


brendanm
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 4:06 am

“This radical communist was too extreme for even a self-proclaimed socialist from Vermont!” And then he'll start crying.


SqueakyRat
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 4:15 am

What the hell is Webb's problem?


lkt
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 6:34 am

I hope he changes the law to take away all of your guns and ban hunting for you animal killers. BWAHAHAHAHA…oh…wait a minute, only Congress, SCOTUS, or states can change those laws. Man, loony Beck shoulda told you 7th grade idiot, dropouts that!

Seeing that you are a wimp and all, don't turn your gun on yourself…maybe I should say “please.” Naaah! Let 'er rip.

P.S.

Since you are clearly dumb, please e-mail me your bank account information so that I can enable transfer into your account certain trapped funds. Please reply urgently.


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cchuck
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 11:39 am

He's not a libertarian, he's for stripping our liberties, unless your an animal. Habeas Corpus has nothing to do with war criminals. Well-respected, brilliant, in who's estimation?
You are an arbitrary person!


wimpygirl
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 11:39 am

Grow up…


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ctoguy
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 5:53 pm

Glen Beck has a public forum to express the views of millions of Americans. So, not only will Glen Beck rue the day… we ALL will!


Savant_Noir
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 7:30 pm

Brendman, why blame Bush for the Patriot Act when ALL of Obama's supports want him to repeal it. He has the power to do so, why not ask yourself why he hasn't?


Savant_Noir
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 7:33 pm

brendman, you are not the sharpest knife in the drawer, are you? Consider…how does a dog bring a lawsuit against you? How do you swear a dog in and bring him to the stand? How can a dog PROVE his case? This is nothing more then a field day for lawyers, who will be empowered to file suits that animal owners are forced to defend…hence, more money for lawyers. Wake up!


Savant_Noir
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 7:36 pm

ikt…

I bet you dont wear shoes, do you? Never had a leather interior in a car either, right? Certainly you never owned a briefcase, I can figure that one out for myself without the need to ask. You don't eat meat either do you? Ever use a dairy product? Please spare us all your false morality and hypocrisy.

Long live Pleather and Tofu!


brendanm
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 9:09 pm

The idea was that it might be useful to allow interested parties to bring suits on the behalf of animals in order to enforce laws against animal cruelty. Questioning peoples' intelligence when you're a giant fucking moron makes you look like even more of a douchebag, Savant. Don't repeat wingnut talking points about the ideas and writings of academics without expecting to make a fool of yourself.


brendanm
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 9:14 pm

I didn't blame Bush for the USA PATRIOT Act, which was passed with overwhelming bipartisan support. I merely pointed out that it was a much more significant vote than that of an academic being appointed to an obscure office. Work on your literacy, kid.

Cass Sunstein, by the way, is one Obama supporter who probably doesn't want it repealed. His conservative stance on many issues is one reason why many progressives, such as myself, have been concerned about what role he may have in the administration.


brendanm
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 9:23 pm

You are an ignorant and rather incoherent person. The Bush administration declared that it had the right to declare anybody an “enemy combatant” and indefinitely detain (and, as was eventually revealed, torture) them without charge. If you don't understand habeas corpus, don't comment on it.

And Cass Sunstein is broadly-respected in academia and the law by fair and knowledgeable individuals across the political spectrum, many of whom, on the left and right, have serious political disagreements with him.


brendanm
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 9:25 pm

Spare us all your ignorance and I'll talk to lkt for you.


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Comment posted September 12, 2009 @ 1:47 am

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joeblow1113
Comment posted September 12, 2009 @ 2:18 am

that was sarcasm…you moron.


joeblow1113
Comment posted September 12, 2009 @ 2:22 am

haha…so Sunstein isn't a big enough of a loon for you…that makes me feel soooo much better.


joeblow1113
Comment posted September 12, 2009 @ 2:25 am

The insanity continues…the incompetents and crazies are running amok.

Here's one of Obama's advisors.

http://home.uchicago.edu/~csunstei/celebrate.html

Stephan Holmes & Cass R. Sunstein, Why We Should Celebrate Paying Taxes, in The Chicago Tribune, at 19 (April 14, 1999)
“It's our money, and we want to keep it!”

“Why should the IRS take our money, when the government wastes it and we want to spend it on ourselves!”

These are piercing sentiments, especially on April 15. But are they defensible? In what sense is the money in our pockets and bank accounts fully “ours”?

(The fact that it's in their pocket means its theirs. But this shouldn't be difficult for the pick pocket. They don't struggle over the location, and they aren't concerned about boundary or the morality of it.)

Did we earn it by our own autonomous efforts?

(Well, we know you didn't.)

Could we have inherited it without the assistance of probate courts?

(Inheritance without probate? I think my father could have handed me my inheritance without their help)

Do we save it without support from bank regulators? Could we spend it (say, on the installment plan) if there were no public officials to coordinate the efforts and pool the resources of the community in which we live?

(We need public officials to coordinate the efforts and pool the resources of the community? I can see where this is headed…there isn't enough sarcasm to that justice. Most everything the business community and individual have created were through their own initiative. I don't get up in the morning and say “I don't know what to do…I'd better go ask the bureaucrat.”)

Do not get up tomorrow and drape your house in black! For tax day is not a day of national mourning.

Without taxes there would be no liberty.

(Liberty is dependent on taxes? Give me taxes, or give me death! I just can't see Patrick Henry saying that. )

Without taxes there would be no property.

(The leech is trying to convince us the host is the parasite attaching itself to the leech)

Without taxes, few of us would have any assets worth defending.

(The entire valuation is based on taxes? Remember before the income tax all that property that had value. When taxes cripple this country and people run to gold, do you thing that taxes is what is attracting them?)

Indeed, property owners are more deeply “dependent” on government than food-stamp recipients. The man who purchases several news organizations owes more to legislative, adjudicative and administrative action than the woman who sleeps under one newspaper at a time.

(The rule of law is becoming a menace more than anything. They compound the cost of every operation out there through the swarms of trial lawyers and legal advocates driving up the cost of everything.)

The Americans who most genuinely “shift for themselves” are not the grumbling taxpayers, but those among the homeless who shun shelters and soup kitchens in favor of garbage cans, subway grates and spare change. To say that such individuals shift for themselves is to say that they have little access to the taxpayer-funded legal machinery which could protect them from undeserved institutionalization or from assault by teenagers with baseball bats and gasoline cans.

(Oh how I hear the justification welling up in them to steal property to “allocate scarce resources. The property owner is the bigger consumer of the “services” provided by the government. We demand and corner resources covetously, blithely unaware of our over-pursuit. Sacrificing our fellow brother to their pitiful state by shoving them to the side in search of the trough. Of course as we wipe the spittle off our chin we curse our generous servant providing the contemptuous portrait of an ingrate.) (Cass, your prejudice oozes from your portrayals.)

Homeowners, by contrast, do not depend only on fire and police departments and competent management of the registry of titles and deeds.

As the deportees from Kosovo have just bitterly learned, they also depend on taxpayer-funded armies, manned largely by low-income citizens, to protect their homes from drunken and ruthless marauders. And government does not “merely” protect property; it also defines and assigns property, setting forth the maintenance and repair obligations of landlords, for instance, and deciding whether the employer or the employee “owns” the inventions of the employee. To imagine property owners without government is therefore like imagining chess players without the rules of chess.

(I can imagine the need for protection from my government… After working up such a sweat because of those demanding property owners, protecting and defining, defining and protecting, chastising landlords, he's just about got himself convinced.)

This is all a truism, in a way.

(It's all so simple…)

But it has yet to become a commonplace. Its implications are seldom thought through.

(Seldom thought through? Oh yeah, that's right, they're smart and we're stupid…)

Most importantly, the dependency of individual freedoms on collective contributions has not sufficiently penetrated the American debate over our basic rights and the proper limits of the state.

(Here it is…the collective is greater than individual rights.)

It may be reasonable, in some cases, to cut tax rates.

(How generous….thanks for that magnanimous display of objectivity)

What is unreasonable and, in fact, preposterous is the all-too-familiar conservative rhetoric that flatly opposes individual liberty to the government power to tax and spend.

(After all that build up, what else do you expect him to say.)

You cannot be for rights and against government because rights are meaningless unless enforced by government. If government could not intervene effectively, none of the individual rights to which Americans have become accustomed could be reliably protected.

(Rights were endowed by our creator, not dispensed by government, the greatest threat to rights is the government. The Bill of Rights was not aimed at other people. It was aimed at the government and the people in it, Cass. Nice try, though.)

Unlike fees, levied on those who directly enjoy a service, taxes are levied on the community as a whole, regardless of who enjoys the benefits of the public services funded thereby. Most rights are funded by taxes, not by fees.

(Rights don't need funding, and services aren't rights)

This is why the overused distinction between “negative” and “positive” rights makes little sense.

(Blurring that distinction is what all this gibberish is all about.)

Rights to private property, freedom of speech, immunity from police abuse, contractual liberty, free exercise of religion–just as much as rights to Social Security, Medicare and food stamps–are taxpayer-funded and government-managed social services designed to improve collective and individual well-being.

(Transfer payments better known as legalized theft and Ponzi schemes are rights? Redistribution is a right?)

This raises some important questions, to be sure. Who decides, in the United States, how to allocate our scarce public resources for the protection of which rights for whom?

(Not a communist central planner.)

(Remember the individual, the free market, self-determination…)

(There's that word again…scarce public resources…they don't believe in growth, they try to restrict. What do they not try to take over?)

What principles are commonly invoked to guide these allocations?

(None)

And can those principles be defended?

(No)

These questions deserve more discussion than they usually receive, unclouded by the dim fiction that some people enjoy and exercise their rights without placing any burden whatsoever on the public fisc.

(Life, liberty and pursuit is a financial burden? The only thing getting dim is the light of truth.)

In any case, to recognize the dependency of property rights on the contributions of the whole community, managed by the government, is to repel the rhetorical attack on welfare rights as somehow deeply un-American, and totally alien or different in kind from classical or “real” rights. No right can be exercised independently, for every rights-holder has a claim on public resources–on money that has been extracted from citizens at large.

(To declare a qualifying condition to exist in regards to an immutable right in order to propel the re-positioning of the hierarchy as a justification for you to then invade it is fine piece of logical torture.)

For all rights–call them negative, call them positive–have that effect. There is no liberty without dependency. That is why we should celebrate tax day. As Oliver Wendell Holmes, the great Supreme Court justice, liked to say, taxes are “the price we pay for civilization.”

The End

Have you ever heard such crap?

The bureaucrats are so delirious they actually believe that we would never have anything without them. These socialist narcissists are such egomaniacs. I am sick of hearing the word brilliance used to describe any of them. The fact that some roads were built and some traffic lights were put in and they want to scrap the chains of the US Constitution. They are a self-imposing menace that have convinced addled fools to support them. They have twisted the whole relationship between people and the government in their minds so much they shouldn't be trusted with anything.

You can see the fulcrum on which the socialist's mind pivots it's distortion to invert of the rights of Man and the American philosophy into oblivion. I think this mental portrait is the American university system at its worst and a summary of its manifesto.


brendanm
Comment posted September 12, 2009 @ 4:16 am

Your poorly-written response fails to counter anything. You might be more effective if you were more informed, intelligent, or literate, but you'd still be wrong.

Let me ask you something: would you consider linguist Noam Chomsky or scientist Richard Dawkins to not be brilliant because of their respective leftism and militant atheism? They both have made important contributions to their fields, but they've also, like Sunstein, written controversial books and expressed unpopular opinions.

The idea of allowing people to sue on behalf of animals in order to prevent animal cruelty is a novel one, for sure, and quite possibly unworkable. It may also be a bad idea. But he is an academic who publicly discusses academic questions without regard for politics; he was not a judge making legal decisions or a lawmaker proposing legislation.

But OIRA doesn't write laws or anything of the sort, so what the fuck does it matter?

Here's the take on Cass Sunstein from some conservative/libertarian-oriented sources, and some writings from the man himself:
http://volokh.com/posts/1231420422.shtml
http://volokh.com/posts/chain_1208524389.shtml
http://www.forbes.com/2009/01/09/sunstein-obama…
http://www.juliansanchez.com/2009/04/30/lying-a…
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123154849171169…
http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/article…


brendanm
Comment posted September 12, 2009 @ 4:36 am

I'm very impressed. I've seen the Ohio State University study that shows wingnuts like you often don't understand sarcasm and satire and think Stephen Colbert is a conservative, so it is real progress that you can identify it and, say, put square pegs in square holes and round pegs in round holes. Congratulations, tiger!


brendanm
Comment posted September 12, 2009 @ 4:43 am

Your copy and pasting skills are impressive, though your judgement on whether or not to post idiotic crap is much less so.


geraldseaquist
Comment posted September 12, 2009 @ 7:11 am

AND NOW THE DEMOCRATES ONLY HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT 9 OF THE 1ST 10 AMENDMENTS, ONCE KNOW AS THE “BILL OF RIGHTS”. THANKS B.O. FOR CASS. HAY MINN. HAVE YOU SHOWN FRANKIN WHICH END OF THE GUN TO SHOOT FROM????


So
Comment posted September 16, 2009 @ 2:41 pm

You're kidding, right? OIRA trumps agencies on regulations. Period. It truly doesn't matter how pro-worker Solis is… Sunstein's OIRA will trump DOL at every turn.


garysimmen
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 1:46 pm

The Senators who voted for this nutcase should all be voted out of office. There's no excuse for this.


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