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		<title>When Does Carrying a Loaded Weapon to a Presidential Rally Become a Threat?</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 13:03:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Daphne Eviatar</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>We now know that there were two men who <a title="http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/08/17/men-tote-assault-rifles-at-obama-event/" href="http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/08/17/men-tote-assault-rifles-at-obama-event/" target="_blank">openly carried assault rifles</a> &#8212; CNN reports they were AR-15s &#8212; outside the Veterans of Foreign Wars hall in Phoenix where President Obama spoke yesterday. According to The Associated Press, <a href="http://ktar.com/?nid=6&#38;sid=1200460" target="_blank">about eight more</a> people were carrying <a href="http://washingtonindependent.com/55361/when-does-carrying-a-loaded-weapon-to-a-presidential-rally-become-a-threat" class="read_more">More...</a></p>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We now know that there were two men who <a title="http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/08/17/men-tote-assault-rifles-at-obama-event/" href="http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/08/17/men-tote-assault-rifles-at-obama-event/" target="_blank">openly carried assault rifles</a> &#8212; CNN reports they were AR-15s &#8212; outside the Veterans of Foreign Wars hall in Phoenix where President Obama spoke yesterday. According to The Associated Press, <a href="http://ktar.com/?nid=6&amp;sid=1200460" target="_blank">about eight more</a> people were carrying other types of guns.</p>
<p>Arizona allows people to openly carry guns, including semiautomatic assault rifles, so no one was arrested. After all, they were just exercising their Second Amendment rights, right? The man captured on camera <a href="http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/news/2009/08/video_at_least_one_man_shows_up_with_assault_rifle.php">said he was carrying his assault rifle</a> slung over his shoulder &#8220;Because I can do it. In Arizona, I still have some freedoms.&#8221;</p>
<p>Meanwhile, a reader at TPM raised a good point:<span id="more-55361"></span></p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Lynette &#8220;Squeaky&#8221; Fromme was released from prison this week, after 34 years in prison. The gun she pointed at President Ford had no bullet in the firing chamber &#8212; unlike Sarah Jane Moore, she never even pulled the trigger or fired. Presumably, these gun nuts showing up for the health care events have their weapons actually loaded.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>So when does carrying a loaded weapon to a president&#8217;s speaking event become a threat?  Police officers reportedly kept an eye on the two guys with the assault rifles, but what about the other eight who just carried handguns? How many officers have to be tied up watching individuals who come to see the president fully armed? Does the right to bear arms at some point give way to the ability of police and Secret Service to reasonably protect the president?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.azcentral.com/members/Blog/PHXBeat/60504" target="_blank">&#8220;If we need to intervene, we will intervene at that time,&#8221;</a> said one Arizona detective. Unless, of course, it&#8217;s too late.</p>
<p>Yesterday Paul Helmke, president of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, <a href="http://www.bradycampaign.org/media/release.php?release=1173" target="_blank">called on</a> the National Rifle Association and other gun-rights groups to tell their members to leave their weapons at home when attending presidential events:</p>
<blockquote><p>Bringing loaded firearms to any Presidential event endangers all in attendance. Even though our weak national and state gun laws may allow this dangerous behavior, we should use a little common sense.</p>
<p>Individuals carrying loaded weapons at these events require constant attention from police and Secret Service officers, thus stretching their protective efforts even thinner. The possibility that these weapons might be grabbed or stolen or accidentally mishandled increases the risks of serious injury or death to all in attendance.</p>
<p><strong>The National Rifle Association and other &#8216;gun rights&#8217; groups need to send a message about &#8216;gun responsibilities&#8217; to their members and all gun owners. Loaded weapons at political forums endanger all involved, distract law enforcement, and end up stifling debate. Presidential protesters need to leave their firearms at home &#8211; no exceptions.</strong></p></blockquote>
<p>[<em>This post has been updated for clarity.</em>]</p>
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		<title>No Voice for Gun Control at Sotomayor Hearings</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 14:15:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Daphne Eviatar</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>After I wrote my earlier posts about how the <a href="http://washingtonindependent.com/51456/nra-opposes-sotomayor-nomination">National Rifle Association opposes</a> the confirmation of Sonia Sotomayor for the Supreme Court and <a href="http://washingtonindependent.com/51474/a-quick-primer-on-incorporation">explaining the &#8220;incorporation&#8221; debate</a> that dominated much of the Second Amendment discussion at the hearing, I got a note from the Brady Campaign to Prevent <a href="http://washingtonindependent.com/51557/no-voice-for-gun-control-at-sotomayor-hearings" class="read_more">More...</a></p>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After I wrote my earlier posts about how the <a href="http://washingtonindependent.com/51456/nra-opposes-sotomayor-nomination">National Rifle Association opposes</a> the confirmation of Sonia Sotomayor for the Supreme Court and <a href="http://washingtonindependent.com/51474/a-quick-primer-on-incorporation">explaining the &#8220;incorporation&#8221; debate</a> that dominated much of the Second Amendment discussion at the hearing, I got a note from the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, whose concerns were decidedly NOT represented in the Senate Judiciary Committee this week.</p>
<p>Although surely plenty of senators agree with the idea of preventing gun violence, it&#8217;s a testament to how influential the NRA has become that no one had the courage to ask Sotomayor to explain the inherent reasonableness of regulating firearms in a country where more <a href="http://www.neahin.org/programs/schoolsafety/gunsafety/statistics.htm">than 50 children are killed every week by guns</a>.<span id="more-51557"></span></p>
<p>Here&#8217;s what the <a href="http://www.bradycampaign.org/media/release.php?release=1160">Brady Campaign had to say</a> about the NRA&#8217;s statement and Sotomayor&#8217;s nomination:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;During the second day of her Senate confirmation hearings, Judge Sotomayor has now been asked for her views on the Second Amendment.  She has given clear and responsible answers, while not pre-judging any issues that may come before her on the Court.  We have been impressed with her presentation.</p>
<p><strong>&#8220;In stark contrast, gun lobby extremists have revealed their preference for an activist Supreme Court Justice who would support their ‘any gun, anywhere, anytime’ ideology.  Judge Sotomayor&#8217;s comments today as well as her judicial opinions in cases involving gun laws, however, show respect for the Constitution, for precedent and for the considered judgments of legislative bodies in protecting communities from gun violence. </strong></p>
<p>&#8220;Judge Sotomayor’s background and her experience as a prosecutor have given her an invaluable understanding of the devastating impact of gun violence on families and communities.  Because of her experience enforcing gun laws, she brings to the bench an appreciation of the importance of those laws in protecting our citizens.</p>
<p>&#8220;The Brady Campaign enthusiastically endorses Judge Sonia Sotomayor for the position of Associate Justice of the United States Supreme Court.&#8221; [The Brady Campaign's emphasis, not mine.]</p></blockquote>
<p>It&#8217;s worth noting that despite harsh and one-sided questioning on the Second Amendment issue, Sotomayor was careful never to say how she&#8217;d vote on the matter were it to come before the Supreme Court &#8212; which it very likely will during her expected tenure. Although <a href="http://washingtonindependent.com/51474/a-quick-primer-on-incorporation">she&#8217;s ruled in the past </a>that there is no &#8220;fundamental&#8221; right of an individual to bear arms that&#8217;s enforceable against state governments, the court opinion she signed onto carefully explained that the court believed that result was mandated by Supreme Court and Second Circuit precedent. The Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals, in an opinion by the conservative Chief Judge Frank Easterbrook, has reached the same conclusion.</p>
<p>The Supreme Court could rule differently, however, and given that its latest ruling on the gun issue was a 5-4 decision, Sotomayor&#8217;s position on the issue is important. Even if Sotomayor rules as the Brady campaign might hope, though, NRA supporters could win the day if the key gun question &#8212; whether there&#8217;s a &#8220;fundamental right&#8221; to possess a gun that&#8217;s enforceable against the states &#8212; reaches the court before President Obama gets to appoint another justice.</p>
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