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		<title>What It Looks Like When Your Car is Underwater</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 13:49:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Mary Kane</dc:creator>
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		<category><![CDATA[auto loans]]></category>
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		<category><![CDATA[Kathleen Keest]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Kathleen Keest over at <a href="http://www.creditslips.org/creditslips/2009/02/the-other-underwater-loans-negative-equity-in-auto-finance.html#more">Credit Slips</a> gives the most concise explanation yet of why a worrisome percentage of car owners are underwater on their auto loans &#8211; and how that big problem affecting the economy is being overlooked.</p>
<p>Lots of people think that when they trade in their old <a href="http://washingtonindependent.com/30227/what-it-looks-like-when-your-car-is-underwater" class="read_more">More...</a></p>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kathleen Keest over at <a href="http://www.creditslips.org/creditslips/2009/02/the-other-underwater-loans-negative-equity-in-auto-finance.html#more">Credit Slips</a> gives the most concise explanation yet of why a worrisome percentage of car owners are underwater on their auto loans &#8211; and how that big problem affecting the economy is being overlooked.</p>
<p>Lots of people think that when they trade in their old car to buy a new one, that they&#8217;ve somehow wiped away any remaining debt on the old car. Not so, says Keest. She outlines a practice she calls &#8220;Drive One, Pay for Two,&#8221; which occurs when dealers bury the cost of refinancing the old car into the new loan.<span id="more-30227"></span></p>
<p>From Keest:</p>
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<blockquote><p>Here’s how that  works:  The value of the trade-in is $8000; balance on the loan for that trade-in is $10,000. That leaves a $2000 deficit that either a) the dealer eats (unlikely), or b) you have to cover with an extra cash down payment as well as the trade, or c) gets rolled into the new car loan. The last option means that you are  essentially refinancing the remaining debt on the car you just sold back to the dealer, along with the price of the new car and whatever add-ons get added on back in the F&amp;I office.</p>
<p>A lot of prospective buyers might decide to wait on that new purchase if they understood that  their new car loan would include left-over balance on the car they don’t own anymore. So a lot of dealers used to (still??) fudge the numbers on the loan papers so the old loan pay-off disappeared. (Don’t even ask about the Truth in Lending rules and issues.)</p>
<p>As cars get more expensive, and loan terms get longer (to keep those monthly payments affordable!) that increases the odds of negative equity caused by left-over debt from the trade-in.  In theory, the lenders financing those loans would want to know if the car was going to be underwater due to negative equity before it even drove off the lot. But in practice – just as with the mortgage industry, the only thing worse for your monthly numbers than a weak(er) loan was no loan at all.</p></blockquote>
<p>It only gets worse, as Keest explains:</p></div>
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<blockquote><p>Estimates seem to be that about 25% of car loans are under water, and an April, 2008 BenchMark consulting <a title="BenchMark report" href="http://www.benchmarkinternational.com/Articles/TheRisingRepossessionTide.pdf" target="_blank">report</a> put the average amount in glub-glub territory on a new car loan at $4250. Last year Nobel economist <a title="roubini" href="http://http://www.rgemonitor.com/blog/roubini/252560/" target="_blank">Nouriel Roubini</a> worried about the potential losses in the auto loan sector because of reckless lending and significant negative equity. But here’s the thing –Roubini’s (borrowed) explanation just talked about no downpayments and the fru-fru add-ons. Sounds like “Drive One, Pay for Two” wasn’t even on his radar screen. I wonder who else’s it isn’t on.</p></blockquote>
<p>Keest is senior policy counsel at the Center for Responsible Lending and a new guest blogger at the excellent <a href="http://www.creditslips.org/creditslips/">Credit Slips</a> blog. If you want to understand the credit crunch and the mess we&#8217;re in, it&#8217;s well worth your time to check out her work.</div>
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		<title>The End of Retail Therapy?</title>
		<link>http://washingtonindependent.com/16756/the-end-of-retail-therapy</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 14:25:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Mary Kane</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>In this deteriorating economy, wealthy people who used to spend their money freely on exotic vacations and $8,000 Birkin bags supposedly are cutting down their conspicuous consumption and trying to be more environmentally sensitive at the same time, The Wall Street Journal <a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122575617614495083.html">says</a> today.</p>
<p>If that&#8217;s true, it would <a href="http://washingtonindependent.com/16756/the-end-of-retail-therapy" class="read_more">More...</a></p>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this deteriorating economy, wealthy people who used to spend their money freely on exotic vacations and $8,000 Birkin bags supposedly are cutting down their conspicuous consumption and trying to be more environmentally sensitive at the same time, The Wall Street Journal <a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122575617614495083.html">says</a> today.</p>
<p>If that&#8217;s true, it would mark a big change from the practice of <a href="http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Depression/story?id=4262371&amp;page=1">retail therapy,</a> the popular solution all through the last decade of hitting the mall to make your troubles go away. From The Journal:<span id="more-16756"></span></p>
<blockquote><p>The shift began even before the credit markets broke down and the stock market plunged. Many Americans had already begun to question their &#8220;freewheeling consumption&#8221; and move toward &#8220;a culture of responsibility,&#8221; says J. Walker Smith, president of global trends researcher Yankelovich, a unit of the Futures Company. For many, he says, environmental concerns were an important factor in this shift.</p>
<p>Environmental consciousness has often been associated with added expenses such as solar panels and organic food. But Wendy Liebmann, chief executive of consulting firm WSL Strategic Retail, has noticed that the economic downturn is accelerating mainstream acceptance of the thriftier behaviors of the green movement, like cutting out bottled water and growing vegetables.</p>
<p>&#8220;People are saying, &#8216;We are going to save money, and we are going to save the environment,&#8217; &#8221; she says.</p></blockquote>
<p>The story goes on to cite a 31-year-old book editor in Carmel, Ind., who cut out weekly trips to Target and daily cups of Starbucks to can apple butter and cherries for Christmas gifts.</p>
<p>Well, good for her, and all the others like her, if they actually are out there somewhere. Every now and then stories like this pop up, about the rich cutting back and living more simply. They usually are followed a few months later by all the unnecessary luxury items rich people are buying.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ll see if this cutting back and going green thing is a real trend. Clearly consumer confidence and spending are <a href="http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/biz-economy/265121">declining</a>. But I&#8217;d guess it&#8217;s less a matter of turning away from consumerism than this unmistakable, solidly evidenced trend &#8212; credit card companies are<a href="http://mortgage.freedomblogging.com/2008/11/04/some-cant-borrow/2617/"> cutting back</a> on access to credit. The Federal Reserve&#8217;s October survey of bank loan officers found they are reducing credit lines for consumers, especially those with spotty credit records.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s a real trend. And if you see luxury items selling less well, and lots of stories about people trying to live more simply, assume that less access to plastic probably has a lot more to do with it than suddenly enlightened attitudes.</p>
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