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		<title>By: davide1982</title>
		<link>http://washingtonindependent.com/9994/mark-to-market/comment-page-1#comment-59082</link>
		<dc:creator>davide1982</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 20:26:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice article! If you&#039;d like to know when experts anticipate the end of financial crisis check this link below:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.myhowtoos.com/en/red-hot/50-how-long-financial-crisis-will-last&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.myhowtoos.com/en/red-hot/50-how-long...&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice article! If you&#39;d like to know when experts anticipate the end of financial crisis check this link below:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.myhowtoos.com/en/red-hot/50-how-long-financial-crisis-will-last" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.myhowtoos.com/en/red-hot/50-how-long.." rel="nofollow">http://www.myhowtoos.com/en/red-hot/50-how-long..</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Offshore Disclosure</title>
		<link>http://washingtonindependent.com/9994/mark-to-market/comment-page-1#comment-35681</link>
		<dc:creator>Offshore Disclosure</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 14:32:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah i agree with you in some points..Few are valid points in this blog..But i can&#039;t say all the info given here satisfies me..&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.lynamtax.co.uk&quot; rel=&quot;follow&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Offshore Disclosure&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah i agree with you in some points..Few are valid points in this blog..But i can&#39;t say all the info given here satisfies me..<br /><a href="http://www.lynamtax.co.uk" rel="follow" rel="nofollow">Offshore Disclosure</a></p>
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		<title>By: Offshore Disclosure</title>
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		<dc:creator>Offshore Disclosure</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 07:32:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah i agree with you in some points..Few are valid points in this blog..But i can&#039;t say all the info given here satisfies me..&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.lynamtax.co.uk&quot; rel=&quot;follow&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Offshore Disclosure&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah i agree with you in some points..Few are valid points in this blog..But i can&#39;t say all the info given here satisfies me..<br /><a href="http://www.lynamtax.co.uk" rel="follow" rel="nofollow">Offshore Disclosure</a></p>
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		<title>By: ratio analysis</title>
		<link>http://washingtonindependent.com/9994/mark-to-market/comment-page-1#comment-12150</link>
		<dc:creator>ratio analysis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 01:24:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Assets should not be marked to unrealistic fire-sale prices,” wrote William Isaac, former Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. chairman, in a Sept. 19 Wall Street Journal op-ed article</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Assets should not be marked to unrealistic fire-sale prices,” wrote William Isaac, former Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. chairman, in a Sept. 19 Wall Street Journal op-ed article</p>
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		<title>By: BARB</title>
		<link>http://washingtonindependent.com/9994/mark-to-market/comment-page-1#comment-8828</link>
		<dc:creator>BARB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 19:38:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>THE WHOLE HOUSING MARKET PEOPLE ARE INVOLVED IN THIS MESS WITH GOVERNMENT LOANS.  I WAS FRAUDED BY EVERYONE  INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS OF BUYING MY HOUSE.  IT ALL STARTS WITH THE SELLER OF THIS COMPLETELY REHABBED HOUSE, WITH EVERYTHING NEW?????  IS WHAT THE REAL ESTATE LISTINGS ALL SAID, OF WHICH EVERYTHING FELL APART AS SOON AS I MOVED IN.  ALL MAJOR PROBLEMS, NOT LITTLE ONES.  NO BUILDING PERMITS ISSUED FOR THE REMODEL JOB, SO NOTHING IS UP TO CODE.&lt;br&gt;THE MORTGAGE CO HERE IN KC, WHICH HELPED INFLATE THE PRICE OF THE HOUSE.&lt;br&gt;THE TWO REAL ESTATE SALESPERSONS AND THEIR BROKERS, WHO HELPED INFLATE THE PRICE TOO AND THE HOUSE INSPECTOR, WHO WAS INFORMED BY MY REAL ESTATE AGENT OF WHAT TO LOOK OVER AND IGNORE COMPLETELY.&lt;br&gt;THE FHA INSPECTOR, WHO THE MORTGAGE CO. SENT, DID NOT EVEN LOOK AT THE HOUSE, AS ALL THAT WAS WRITTEN ABOUT THIS HOUSE, WAS NOT TRUE.  ONE MAJOR ITEM WAS ALL THE EXPOSED ELECTRICAL WIRING AND THE CONCRETE FOUNDATION, WHICH HE SAID WAS CONCRETE BLOCK.  THE NEW FURNACE &amp; AC DID NOT WORK AT ALL.  THE BREAKER BOX WAS A MESS THEN TOO.  THIS HOUSE WOULD NEVER PASS A FHA INSPECTION, EVEN YET TODAY.  &lt;br&gt;ALSO THE TITLE COMPANY CASHED MY EARNEST MONEY CHECK AND CASHED IT AND THEN INCLUDED IT INTO THE LOAN ALSO,  SO I AM PAYING THAT TWICE.  &lt;br&gt;AS I SAID, EVERYONE IN THE HOUSING MARKET IS INVOLVED IN THE FRAUDS AGAINST THE GOVERNMENT, AND IT IS NOT ALWAYS THE BUYER WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS MESS, IT IS THE PEOPLE WHO GOT US HERE, WHO JUST HAD TO MAKE THAT EXTRA DOLLAR THE GOVERNMENT WAS SUPPORTING, WITHOUT ANY AUDITS AMONG ANY OF THEM.  I AM REALLY DISAPPOINTED IN THE GOVERNMENT BECAUSE OF ALL THE FRAUDS GOING ON, AND IT IS US LITTLE PEOPLE WHO ARE SUFFERING THROUGH IT ALL..  THANKS, BARB</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>THE WHOLE HOUSING MARKET PEOPLE ARE INVOLVED IN THIS MESS WITH GOVERNMENT LOANS.  I WAS FRAUDED BY EVERYONE  INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS OF BUYING MY HOUSE.  IT ALL STARTS WITH THE SELLER OF THIS COMPLETELY REHABBED HOUSE, WITH EVERYTHING NEW?????  IS WHAT THE REAL ESTATE LISTINGS ALL SAID, OF WHICH EVERYTHING FELL APART AS SOON AS I MOVED IN.  ALL MAJOR PROBLEMS, NOT LITTLE ONES.  NO BUILDING PERMITS ISSUED FOR THE REMODEL JOB, SO NOTHING IS UP TO CODE.<br />THE MORTGAGE CO HERE IN KC, WHICH HELPED INFLATE THE PRICE OF THE HOUSE.<br />THE TWO REAL ESTATE SALESPERSONS AND THEIR BROKERS, WHO HELPED INFLATE THE PRICE TOO AND THE HOUSE INSPECTOR, WHO WAS INFORMED BY MY REAL ESTATE AGENT OF WHAT TO LOOK OVER AND IGNORE COMPLETELY.<br />THE FHA INSPECTOR, WHO THE MORTGAGE CO. SENT, DID NOT EVEN LOOK AT THE HOUSE, AS ALL THAT WAS WRITTEN ABOUT THIS HOUSE, WAS NOT TRUE.  ONE MAJOR ITEM WAS ALL THE EXPOSED ELECTRICAL WIRING AND THE CONCRETE FOUNDATION, WHICH HE SAID WAS CONCRETE BLOCK.  THE NEW FURNACE &#038; AC DID NOT WORK AT ALL.  THE BREAKER BOX WAS A MESS THEN TOO.  THIS HOUSE WOULD NEVER PASS A FHA INSPECTION, EVEN YET TODAY.  <br />ALSO THE TITLE COMPANY CASHED MY EARNEST MONEY CHECK AND CASHED IT AND THEN INCLUDED IT INTO THE LOAN ALSO,  SO I AM PAYING THAT TWICE.  <br />AS I SAID, EVERYONE IN THE HOUSING MARKET IS INVOLVED IN THE FRAUDS AGAINST THE GOVERNMENT, AND IT IS NOT ALWAYS THE BUYER WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS MESS, IT IS THE PEOPLE WHO GOT US HERE, WHO JUST HAD TO MAKE THAT EXTRA DOLLAR THE GOVERNMENT WAS SUPPORTING, WITHOUT ANY AUDITS AMONG ANY OF THEM.  I AM REALLY DISAPPOINTED IN THE GOVERNMENT BECAUSE OF ALL THE FRAUDS GOING ON, AND IT IS US LITTLE PEOPLE WHO ARE SUFFERING THROUGH IT ALL..  THANKS, BARB</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Dark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas Dark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 21:21:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the last line is really the answer.  More regulation...more oversight.  Every bank should have a thorough evaluation of it&#039;s lending and accounting practices.  They want to try to change the fact that they tried to create alternate cash flows by using derivatives and other creative gambles.  Once they banks got away from providing just mortgages and trying to constantly move money around using these volatile money items they were sure to run into trouble.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the last line is really the answer.  More regulation&#8230;more oversight.  Every bank should have a thorough evaluation of it&#39;s lending and accounting practices.  They want to try to change the fact that they tried to create alternate cash flows by using derivatives and other creative gambles.  Once they banks got away from providing just mortgages and trying to constantly move money around using these volatile money items they were sure to run into trouble.</p>
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		<title>By: Orwell Wasn&#39;t Dreaming</title>
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		<dc:creator>Orwell Wasn&#39;t Dreaming</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 19:35:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have only five words to express my displeasure: E.N.R.O.N.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have only five words to express my displeasure: E.N.R.O.N.</p>
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		<title>By: gilmanc</title>
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		<dc:creator>gilmanc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 18:32:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an accountant at a financial institution, I believe it is ludicrous to allow this change.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;First, people should understand that for mortgage loans, a company is NOT required to use mark-to-market accounting.  In fact, companies could NOT do it until FAS 159 was issued.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Second, people should understand that companies make an election upon acquisition of a security whether they will use mark-to-market accounting or use amortizing cost.  This is a one-time election based on intent, or lack thereof.  If the company intends to trade in the security, they have to use fair value accounting (which is mark-to-market).  If the company intends to hold the security until maturity, they have to amortize the cost of the security over the life of the security.  The third option, is the option to not take a position, which is called &quot;available-for-sale&quot;.  This is akin to how most individual investors look at their net worth, in that you consider the value of the security in your net worth, at it&#039;s fair value, but you do not treat gains as income or losses as loss until you sell the security.  Most companies take this position because accounting firms don&#039;t take kindly to saying you&#039;re going to hold something until it matures, but then sell it.  Since they can&#039;t trust your stated intent, then all your &quot;held-to-maturity&quot; securities have to be treated as available-for-sale.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;What had happened in the past is that companies would use market prices when the price was to their favor, but they would use their own internal modeling of the cash flows when the price was against them.  With the implementation of FAS 157, that was no longer feasible.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;FAS 157 requires companies to state how they are calculating the fair values used for their books.  Level 1 is based on quoted market prices.  Level 2 means that the value is based on quoted market prices, but since the market price is for something similar and not exact, it&#039;s not as strong as Level 1.  Level 3 means that the value is based on an internal model, using internal assumptions.  This is sometimes derisively called &quot;mark-to-magic&quot;.  The accounting firms and the SEC look down upon Level 3, and FAS 157 requires much more disclosure about how the values were determined.  Further, the SEC has been fairly strong in stating a comapny should use the most accurate means possible, meaning Level 1 where possible.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Companies are not used to this type of disclosure, and they make the claim that using Level 1or Level 2 in an illiquid market is tantamount to an artificial price and does not indicate a &quot;regular-way&quot; price (a requirement of FAS 157 is the price is not based on stressed prices due to required liquidation).  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;An illiquid market is a sign that the price has not yet reached its equilibrium price, but the market is being made illiquid by investors who do not want to part with their assets at low prices.  Further, this market is being made even more illiquid because of these bailouts, both private and public, that are occurring, as we do not get the luxury of seeing what these assets would fetch in an open market auction.  If those securities were sold to bidders, rather than assumed by JPMorgan we could see what the actual fair value is of these.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;That said, I do not see the banks lining up to buy like securities at the &quot;net present value of the cash flows&quot;.  I would ask every company that is clamoring for this:  &quot;Would you buy this security at the value that you show it on your books?&quot;  If they say yes, have them prove it by buying an extremely similar security at that price.  They won&#039;t do it, because they know that right now, the credit premium is too high and they feel they could get it for cheaper.  If they feel they could get it for cheaper, why do they think their security is worth more?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Finally, I didn&#039;t see these companies shouting &quot;wait!  the fair value of my security is too high!  It should be lower!&quot;  If the market is undervaluing these securities now, then it was undoubtedly overvaluing them before.  If they want to go to the PV of cash flows method, then they should have to restate their earnings for the past 5 years using this for all their debt securities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an accountant at a financial institution, I believe it is ludicrous to allow this change.</p>
<p>First, people should understand that for mortgage loans, a company is NOT required to use mark-to-market accounting.  In fact, companies could NOT do it until FAS 159 was issued.</p>
<p>Second, people should understand that companies make an election upon acquisition of a security whether they will use mark-to-market accounting or use amortizing cost.  This is a one-time election based on intent, or lack thereof.  If the company intends to trade in the security, they have to use fair value accounting (which is mark-to-market).  If the company intends to hold the security until maturity, they have to amortize the cost of the security over the life of the security.  The third option, is the option to not take a position, which is called &#8220;available-for-sale&#8221;.  This is akin to how most individual investors look at their net worth, in that you consider the value of the security in your net worth, at it&#39;s fair value, but you do not treat gains as income or losses as loss until you sell the security.  Most companies take this position because accounting firms don&#39;t take kindly to saying you&#39;re going to hold something until it matures, but then sell it.  Since they can&#39;t trust your stated intent, then all your &#8220;held-to-maturity&#8221; securities have to be treated as available-for-sale.</p>
<p>What had happened in the past is that companies would use market prices when the price was to their favor, but they would use their own internal modeling of the cash flows when the price was against them.  With the implementation of FAS 157, that was no longer feasible.</p>
<p>FAS 157 requires companies to state how they are calculating the fair values used for their books.  Level 1 is based on quoted market prices.  Level 2 means that the value is based on quoted market prices, but since the market price is for something similar and not exact, it&#39;s not as strong as Level 1.  Level 3 means that the value is based on an internal model, using internal assumptions.  This is sometimes derisively called &#8220;mark-to-magic&#8221;.  The accounting firms and the SEC look down upon Level 3, and FAS 157 requires much more disclosure about how the values were determined.  Further, the SEC has been fairly strong in stating a comapny should use the most accurate means possible, meaning Level 1 where possible.</p>
<p>Companies are not used to this type of disclosure, and they make the claim that using Level 1or Level 2 in an illiquid market is tantamount to an artificial price and does not indicate a &#8220;regular-way&#8221; price (a requirement of FAS 157 is the price is not based on stressed prices due to required liquidation).  </p>
<p>An illiquid market is a sign that the price has not yet reached its equilibrium price, but the market is being made illiquid by investors who do not want to part with their assets at low prices.  Further, this market is being made even more illiquid because of these bailouts, both private and public, that are occurring, as we do not get the luxury of seeing what these assets would fetch in an open market auction.  If those securities were sold to bidders, rather than assumed by JPMorgan we could see what the actual fair value is of these.</p>
<p>That said, I do not see the banks lining up to buy like securities at the &#8220;net present value of the cash flows&#8221;.  I would ask every company that is clamoring for this:  &#8220;Would you buy this security at the value that you show it on your books?&#8221;  If they say yes, have them prove it by buying an extremely similar security at that price.  They won&#39;t do it, because they know that right now, the credit premium is too high and they feel they could get it for cheaper.  If they feel they could get it for cheaper, why do they think their security is worth more?</p>
<p>Finally, I didn&#39;t see these companies shouting &#8220;wait!  the fair value of my security is too high!  It should be lower!&#8221;  If the market is undervaluing these securities now, then it was undoubtedly overvaluing them before.  If they want to go to the PV of cash flows method, then they should have to restate their earnings for the past 5 years using this for all their debt securities.</p>
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