Whitman vs. the DREAM Act

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Monday, October 04, 2010 at 6:11 pm

The California Dream Act, which would allow undocumented students who qualify for in-state tuition to apply for financial aid, has been passed by the state legislature numerous times, only to be vetoed by Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger (R). Democratic gubernatorial candidate Jerry Brown said this weekend he would have signed the bill, but Republican Meg Whitman said she would not support the legislation.

Here is her answer when asked by an undocumented senior in college whether she would support the California Dream Act or the federal push for the DREAM Act to allow some undocumented students to gain legal status, via the Fresno Bee:

Here is the challenge we face. Our resources are scarce. We are in terrible economic times and slots have been eliminated at the California State University system. I think they’re down by 40,000 students. The same is true at the CSU and the University of California system. Programs have been cut and California citizens have been denied admission to these universities and I don’t think it’s fair to bar and eliminate you know the ability of California citizens to attend higher universities and favor undocumenteds. This is a very tough situation. But I don’t think it’s fair to the people who are here in California legally so I would not be for the California Dream Act and for the federal Dream Act. It is only a partial salve to a very challenging situation and I don’t think we can carve out a group of illegal immigrants and give them a path to citizenship when we haven’t sorted out our control of our borders and getting our arms around illegal immigration. So I would say no to both.

Whitman’s efforts to appeal to Latino voters seem to be a “one step forward, two steps back” process. Although she has attempted to woo Latino voters — a sizable chunk of California’s voting population at 21 percent of the electorate — through Spanish-language ads and outreach, Whitman trails Brown by 19 points among Latino voters. In the past week, advocacy groups have seized on allegations about Whitman mistreating an undocumented woman she employed as a housekeeper. Her opposition to the DREAM Act, which a majority of Latino voters support, seems unlikely to win many Latinos over.

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Brittanicus
Comment posted October 4, 2010 @ 10:43 pm

Vote–ALL–Incumbents out or pay the price on issues that always cost the–TAXPAYER.

The majority leadership and their peons are currently overlooking the 15 million unemployed Americans, as they try to change public opinion on giving 12 to 20 million illegal aliens legitimacy. Right now the LiberalCrats have failed to mention of Pew Research Center intelligence, that somewhere around 8.5 illegal workers are advantageously employed. That instituting another Amnesty will give millions of illegal aliens free reign to your Social Security and will only make mass exodus from other countries worse; bringing millions more to our shores and borders. Central in enacting any form of Amnesty is Sen. Harry Reid (D-NV) whose own state in is serious economic trouble, from illegal alien welfare benefits and instant citizen of babies birthed by an illegal Mother.

Reid has a unacceptable immigration record as he has said–YES–to Federal funding for Sanctuary Cities, Comprehensive Immigration Reform; Dream Act (a De Facto Amnesty); another Guest Worker program; (previous Guest Worker programs resulted in Amnesty); allowing illegal aliens to participate in our struggling Social Security. All these very negative actions have cost US Taxpayers billions of dollars, which is taken from their paychecks. Reid voted–NO–to making E-Verify mandatory as a business requirement; or limiting welfare to illegal aliens that is another massive cost, estimated to be just the federal level of $113 billion dollars yearly. Senator Barbara Boxer (D-CA) voted faithfully the same to Senator Reid. Then the majority speaker Democrat Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) says that arresting and detaining–ALL–illegal immigrants was Un-American, an administering to the same party line issues as all Liberal-Democrat members.

The quantity of money spent to educate illegal alien children; the colleges that pander to illegal students, emergency health care treatment (much cannot be classified as an emergency) prison incarceration and then wide scope of state, county and city public entitlements. The dollar amount cannot be even estimated, as the US government as even local authorities keep these figures shadowed and out of the public view. Occasionally figures are released by public minded officials; otherwise there remains no accounting to this fiscal problem? Both parties over two decades are to blame for ignoring this obligation to the taxpayer.

Both Nevada and California–must enact laws, to stop the free distribution of welfare benefits to nationals that injured the economies of these states; Proposition 187 was the people's vote in California to do exactly that, but was secretly derailed so it couldn't reach the Supreme Court. Sen. Robert Menendez's (D-N.J.) introduction of amnesty legislation, with the Dream Act and Ag bill attached to it suddenly appeared last week. These are all travesties of our immigration laws with some surreptitious agenda. Something to keep in mind that there is hardly any security, when it comes to–ONLY–citizens voting. Democrats specifically don't make it clear that–ONLY–US CITIZENS can vote in November or in any election. GOOGLE–voter fraud and then be ready to watch for suspicious activities, as illegals knowingly or otherwise unintentional will use either absentee ballots or the polling places.

We must remember to vote for any incumbent democrat, means billions of dollars out of your wage packet, to keep illegal aliens in America. Nobody who entered the US illegally, from whatever corner of the world they come from–should be rewarded. The 1986 Immigration law has never been strictly enforced, not by Democrats or Republicans, who have failed to protect the economy and safeguard this country. This illegal immigration is just a paramount problem in border states anymore, but has spread like a pestilence to every community in America; just not large cities today.

Politicians have never built the double fence or even completed it; never made illegal entrance a felony. America should only seek highly skilled workers, not the desperate and poor who always need monetary assistance. It is time to begin the purge of all politicians, Governors, Mayors and elected officials in both parties who are determined to go against the public grain of illegal immigrant removal–which means–ALL–not just criminals. November you are for or against that will save this country from further financial deterioration, but also watch for illegal aliens voting. GOOGLE–keywords such as illegal alien costs, or investigate your senator or congressman's record on the illegal alien enforcement. Remember this Washington switchboard number of 202-224-3121 and confront both party members of their stance, then vote them out of office?
Get more informed at NumbersUSA & Judicial Watch. In conclusion–this smear on Meg Whitman in my book, has been instigated by Union goons, as a favor to Jerry Brown; with policy payback to come? Interesting thought? If E-verify had been in operation permanently in every business in the USA nine years ago, this maid called Nicci would have been detected and she would have been fired. Sen. Harry Reid must accept full blame for that, as he is responsible for weakening E-verify to a voluntary program.


Brittanicus
Comment posted October 4, 2010 @ 11:11 pm

Personally–I'm angry and frustrated in being taxed as part of the taxpayers conveyor belt for illegal alien welfare. I have a son who has Asbergers disorder and I get very little help from the state and federal government, yet I still must contribute to in-state tuition for the children of illegal aliens. I still have to have some of my tax money going towards dialysis or serious medical treatment for foreigners who pay–NOT A PENNY, with my step daughter cannot even get any dentistry in the once great state of California, because she is over 21 years of age. All I know is if we mass deported every illegal aliens, every state, county and city agency would not be overrun by the impoverished of other countries. I have but one vote and Senator Evan Bayh (D-IN) and Sen. Richard Lugar (R-IN), who have obnoxious illegal immigration records. I just wish they were incumbents so we can dump them on the wayside and not have to pay there outrageous salaries, and long vacations at the end of each Senate session, along with all their special privileges and benefits. I am sick that our legislators are continually pandering to nationals, who shouldn't even be in this country. That politicians who allow millions of business that hire illegal aliens, paying absolutely not a nickel–to the health care and schooling for illegal children.


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ErikaFloresA
Comment posted October 4, 2010 @ 11:56 pm

You are so IGNORANT…. MANY AS YOU CALL”ILLEGAL ALIENS” PAY for taxes!!!! I have a friend that is not a resident YET and she still her pays taxes just like anybody else… you DON'T HAVE TO HAVE SOCIAL SECURITY # TO BE ABLE TO PAY TAXES FROM THE IRS!!! If you don't believe surf through the internet so you can EDUCATE YOURSELF!!! PLUS ARE YOU JEALOUS THAT US ILLEGAL ALIENS ARE WAY SMARTER THAN YOU??? LOOK AT Eric Balderas or Juan Hernandez-Campos IF YOU THINK YOU'RE CAPABLE AT ENROLLING FROM HARVARD


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Xohaha31
Comment posted October 5, 2010 @ 12:24 am

well excuse me~
some “ILLEGAL ALIENS” wants to pay tax and live properly…
and take your word back about not paying a penny!
try to visualize yourself in those undocumented people's situation!!!
there are people who became undocumented due to some other reason….
plus…they don't do anything to harm you…
so…get your fact right woman!


taxpayer
Comment posted October 5, 2010 @ 1:03 am

Im undocumented and I pay taxes. Im single with no children, so is it right for me to say that the little help you get comes from my paycheck? What if I don't want my taxes to help with your situation? Please your not the only one that pays taxes. I'm sorry for your daughter because she has a pathetic parent.


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Angel
Comment posted October 5, 2010 @ 1:35 am

Did we forget to mention that illegals dont have unemployment insurance. Unlike illegals we choose what jobs we want, they dont. We americans are so hypocritical and easily bias others that are different than we are. We live in the 21st century and we should support the Dream Act for the undocumented youths.


Donjoshie
Comment posted October 5, 2010 @ 1:40 am

Ok, you need to think twice before you you expose your uneducated thoughts, Brittanicus… My parents, as well as me and my brother, are illegals working in this country. I'm 21 and I have been in this country since I was 4. My parents have ALWAYS payed taxes as well as me and my brother, too. I'm sorry to hear about your daughter but we are NOT taking away from your tax money; we are contributing like everyone else… and to the contrary, hence we are illegals, we don't get to take full advantage of our tax money like you and any other American. I'm a college student living in this country, hoping that I can repay it by sharing my talents I have acquired in college… and both the CA. Dream Act and The Dream Act will help me help this country.


Rbren
Comment posted October 5, 2010 @ 1:59 am

How can illegal aliens pay taxes without a social security number? The Internal Revenue Service doesn't track a worker's immigration status, yet many illegal immigrants fearful of deportation won't risk the government attention that will come from filing a return even if they might qualify for a refund
But some illegal immigrants choose to file taxes and write a check come April 15, using an alternative to the Social Security number offered by the IRS so it can collect income tax from foreign workers.


Rbren
Comment posted October 5, 2010 @ 2:04 am

Paycheck withholding collects much of the federal tax from illegal workers, just as it does for legal workers. The answer is the enforcement of proper identification and hiring practices. Many very large US corporations are fighting against US citizens because they know illegals have no legal recourse.


Rbren
Comment posted October 5, 2010 @ 2:10 am

Payroll taxes collected illegally should not provide illegals any rights to any benefits from those taxes. This corruption is doomed to failure and we are seeing it now. At this rate the US will become very much like Mexico and South America and that is not a race issue.


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Olgaxx3
Comment posted October 5, 2010 @ 4:39 am

whats the difference if an immigrant graduates USC or a Cali girl? It's not where you from, it's the attitude. I went to high school with hundreds of (born citizen) kids who just don't care about the opportunities given in the States, while I am begging for some. This really upsets me


Robert Oates
Comment posted October 5, 2010 @ 4:52 am

ileagle invaders kill 9000 americans a year they rape 550women a day they molest 6children a day go home to your own country what kind of people are these ileagle invaders dont they have any pride dont they love there country they sneak out on there very own country like a thief in the night simply because the new country has better stuff even a dog would not go over to the neighbors because they had better stuff how can an ileagle invader man ever look his wife and children in the eye he must be so full of sham how can you turn your back on your country I guess its an American thing a mexican just won't understand


USAmercian100
Comment posted October 5, 2010 @ 6:41 am

So you admit your entire family are felons, illegally working using fake ID or for cash with no tax witholdings, and that you are stealing a job desperately needed by an unemployed American or legal immigrants.


USAmerican100
Comment posted October 5, 2010 @ 6:43 am

So you also are a felon stealing a job from an unemployed American or legal immigrant.


USAmerican100
Comment posted October 5, 2010 @ 6:45 am

If you want to “live properly” then move to your country of origin, right now in the USA you are an intruding foreign criminal stealing from Americans and legal immigrants.


USAmerican100
Comment posted October 5, 2010 @ 6:54 am

Those illegals you mention are taking the place of my Chinese girlfriend's daughter, who was accepted at Harvard but the US won't give her a student visa because of all you line jumping border hopping foreigner criminals.


USAmerican100
Comment posted October 5, 2010 @ 6:56 am

The Dream Act doesn't benefit youths, it benefits adults up to age 35 who have graduated High School or have a GED, like all Dream Act supporters you are a giant liar.


USAmerican100
Comment posted October 5, 2010 @ 6:58 am

Every country has opportunities, why aren't you taking advantage of the opportunities in your country?


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QWERTY
Comment posted October 5, 2010 @ 1:38 pm

It's not stealing a job when he or she is more qualified. I hate this pathetic plea of citizens being robbed of a job that was “rightfully theirs” just because they were born here. Citizenship aside, would you give a dental job to an illegal dentist or a citizen who knows nothing about teeth? (& since everyone opposed to illegal immigrants don't reason well and have this outrageous stereotype that they are all drug lords, I have met a few doctors who can't practice their profession due to lack of legal status.)

Stop whining so much and actually excel in life. If everyone did their jobs well, then they wouldn't have lost it. Fix the border, pass the Dream Act, and fine illegal aliens. If illegal is illegal and if they're really criminals, then why can't they get a second chance as person who killed people do? Instead of taxpayers paying $80 dollars a day to maintain a prisoner rot in jail, why not let these immigrants contribute? I just don't understand the logic of spending more than what we already don't have to get rid of people who can help us get out of debt because Americans are lazy.


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QWERTY
Comment posted October 5, 2010 @ 1:44 pm

A citizen that can't even spell what he's so strongly against. A prime example of how under-educated a lot of Americans are.

Illegal immigrants want legal status that American citizens feel like something they aren't even allowed to ask for. American citizens want jobs that I bet a lot of qualified illegal immigrants feel they shouldn't ask for.

Robert Oates comments are high discriminative against Mexicans.


QWERTY
Comment posted October 5, 2010 @ 1:48 pm

I think 35 is the right age to cap off the limit. Those people were once kids, went to school and graduated college, but can do nothing with their degree. It's about time they could.

It's not entirely a lie when no one hid the fact that a person up to 35 years of age is qualified.


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USAmerican100
Comment posted October 5, 2010 @ 2:59 pm

You are a liar, you said the Dream Act is for “youths”, age 35 is not a “youth”, under age 18 is “youth”, over age 18 is legally “adult”, the Dream Act does not benefit any “youths”!!

By your inane argument everybody in the world with a Degree was once a youth, so shouldn't they all qualify for the Dream Act?


USAmerican100
Comment posted October 5, 2010 @ 3:20 pm

Your argument would make sense, just as soon as every county in the world allows Americans unrestricted access to their jobs, business ownership, and property ownership, with the same liberties, rights, and protections to that ownership Americans have in the USA, since those liberties, rights, and protections which Americans have worked, fought, and died for created the prosperity here you foreign cowards lust after.

But right now in Mexico for example as an American citizen I cannot directly own land or a business, nor work unrestricted, nor have freedom of speech. Same in China. Change all that then you might have an argument.

Illegal aliens DO have a second chance, they can return to their country of origin and re-enter legally like everyone else in the world is forced to do, and I know some who have done it. Compared to Americans and legal immigrants, you are the lazy whiner, and a racist to boot.


TrueBruin
Comment posted October 5, 2010 @ 6:10 pm

Are you saying that people who are born in the United States dont kill, rape, steal, etc? Are you saying that undocumented immigrants are responsible for all of these crimes? Those crimes occur regardless of a persons immigration status. If you look at overall numbers you would know that most of those crimes are being commited by U.S. regal residents. Obviously not 100% but most of them are.


True Bruin
Comment posted October 5, 2010 @ 6:14 pm

Did you graduate from High School? You must have had HORRIBLE English teachers. I would never hire someone like you who's at a 4th graders writing level.


True Bruin
Comment posted October 5, 2010 @ 6:19 pm

You must have been in the United States before your 16th b-day to qualify. So if someone is 30 or 35 they can still apply but they must prove that they have been living in the U.S. since they were kids.


True Bruin
Comment posted October 5, 2010 @ 6:22 pm

Meg Whitman is a complete fraud.


Wandering Reader
Comment posted October 5, 2010 @ 6:26 pm

All of you foreigners already have citizenship, and the right to go to college, in your own countries. Why don't you live where you are a citizen? Are you greedy, do you like to break laws and steal from other people? Just because your family decided to steal from us doesn't mean you should get away with the crime.


slickdaddy
Comment posted October 5, 2010 @ 8:03 pm

Mexico Has Invaded/Sabotage The U.S Jobs Market & Economy and Increased Border Violence… Mexican government dose not stop their population when crossing South West U.S Borders. Help Legal U.S Citizens Liberate The U.S From Mexico's Government & Help End The Worlds Largest Illegal Immigrant Invasion Of Over 30 Million People… These Illegal’s Also Need To Stop All This Protesting Because They’re Just Pissing Us Off Like The Jews Did In Germany/Europe!!!

A Plan For A Real “American Dream Act” Bill & Counter Attack To Save Legal U.S Citizen From Silent Invasion:

First bring back our soldiers from this Afghanistan war that is costly and going nowhere. Middle Eastern and Asians love to see us waste money and go broke fighting for freedom when they don’t really want it. This is their main weapon and we keep falling into their trap. Then we need to regroup military troops and military force to invade/overthrow Mexico’s government turning it into a U.S territory.
The new land will be used as an industrial/business commerce zone. U.S citizens will be able to by property and have a dual citizenship between U.S and Mexico. Mexico will keep its current currency and there current government will be demoted to local municipal law enforcement as long as they surrender to the U.S.
The U.S will be in full control of all laws, finances, local law enforcement, military and our “Secondary Army of Illegal Soldiers/Enforcers” in Mexico. The path to dual citizenship will require the illegal immigrants living in the U.S to serve in the U.S Secondary South Boarder Military for teen years… Along with completing the invasion/overthrow of Mexican government to expand U.S lands, business, and revive our economy. For Mexico citizen requesting to come to the U.S temporary worker programs and legal paths to citizenship & residence will be granted to those who qualify.
This action is to liberate Mexico from its corrupt government that is destroying it self and the U.S slowly. It is also a test for them to redeem them selves for us to see, how much heart they have, how patriotic they are, and much they love this country including us, laws in all.
This Government, past & present, Republican & Democrat, have allowed this invasion of 20 to 30 million illegal aliens of which is the largest invasion of any Nation, at any time, by any means and in direct violation of Article IV Section IV of the U.S Constitution. Our government has failed the most basic and primary task & duty of government, spelled out in our Constitution Article IV Section IV to protect this Nation and its Citizens from invasion and enforce its laws.
We need real change and action on this now!
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Pass It On To Congress & The President!!!


TeaBaggin' it!
Comment posted October 5, 2010 @ 9:23 pm

Slickdaddy says: “These Illegal’s Also Need To Stop All This Protesting Because They’re Just Pissing Us Off Like The Jews Did In Germany/Europe!!!”

I have a solution to the whole immigration problem… You could call it a Final Solution, if you want…


Wandering Reader
Comment posted October 5, 2010 @ 9:38 pm

Nice way to slur an entire political movement because of one blog post with an uncalled for sentence in it, with your use of the handle “TeaBaggin' it!”.

What's your other handle, “Propaganda Rules”?


disgusted.
Comment posted October 5, 2010 @ 10:22 pm

the next hitler over here vvv

fuck all of you guys, for some of us it wasnt out descision to come to this country. And you guys dont know what its like, coming here to find dreams and for what? for you guys to come and crushhh them. we all bleed red blood so what makes us different from documented people just a piece of paper? thats bull shit. so all you people that think you know, you really just have no idea.


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disgusted.
Comment posted October 5, 2010 @ 10:24 pm

… and plus mexico owned california first.


QWERTY
Comment posted October 6, 2010 @ 12:32 am

Again, you're just trying to rationalize the situation to your favor. Your attitude is very stubborn and you're only fueling your own hate. Immigrants may seem like the coward you portray them to be since they're America's rodents, but can you put yourself in their shoes? Everything's easier said than done. You can toot all this grandeur about the perfect solution to rid of immigrants, but you're doing absolutely nothing but sit behind a desk and type up all these things that I bet you can't say in public, in person.

America needs to fix it's immigration system. People come here illegally because you won't see the light of day if you did it the right way. I'm not saying I encourage it, but think about all those people who are waiting for a change of status even if they did it the right way. Priority dates jump back and forth that one can not definitely know when he/she will become legal enough to just work.

And sure, I'm the racist. I'm not the one who thinks I deserve more human rights than others just because I was born here. Let's kill those who steal our jobs since they're rats. History's repeating itself. I could be talking to the next Adolf Hitler for all I know.


Wandering Reader
Comment posted October 6, 2010 @ 1:16 am

The Indians owned California first. They never sold it to anyone, not to Spain, and not to Mexico. Mexicans have no claim on California at all

In fact, Mexcians stole Mexico from the Aztec Indians, so you better pack up and move back to Spain, because the Indians want Mexico back, after all, they owned it first.


Wandering Reader
Comment posted October 6, 2010 @ 1:26 am

I know you criminal families will make whiny excuse after excuse after excuse. It's disgusting to see foreign families, mostly from Mexico, come to my country illegally, steal health care, food stamps, very EXPENSIVE school education, and JOBS, all as a crime, then say their children didn't direct the crime, so they get to complete the theft.

Now THAT'S disgusting. All of these “illegal” people are already citizens, of their own countries. These children can go to school in Mexico, they can go to college in Mexico, they can open a business in Mexico, and they can vote in Mexico.

Why won't you go back and live in your country? You're already a citizen there. Is it just greed? Our country is just better than yours, so you want to belly up with the begging bowl and take from us?

Forget it, we'll never accept crime in place of law. In fact, that's Mexico's problem now!!!! It's a corrupt criminal society, and we won't become like that. If you want to immigrate to my country then you already know what to do. You go back to your country, you file an application and you ASK if you may live here, and if you're really lucky, maybe we'll accept you.

But doing it the other way around, stealing in then demanding more, will only make the traitors in the US your friends, everyone else will DEMAND that we keep our laws, because without them, we will turn into just another failed country, like Mexico, and we cannot let that happen for our sake, or our children's sake, or for our grand children's sake.


USAmerican100
Comment posted October 6, 2010 @ 1:58 am

Typical racist Mexican comment.

Actually it was:

1. American Indians

2. Chinese

3. Spanish

4. British

5. Russians

6. Americans Indians again and in a few small areas Mexicans after Spain and Russia left around 1800-1821.

7. Californians (Bear Flag Republic)

8. USA


Mike
Comment posted October 6, 2010 @ 2:00 am

This is exactly why you should be deported, no respect or responsibility, just whining and gimmie gimmie gimmie.


USAmerican100
Comment posted October 6, 2010 @ 2:06 am

So what if they came before age 18, in order to apply for the Dream Act amnesty you need to be a adult. The Dream Act is for adults only, none of it is for children.


USAmerican100
Comment posted October 6, 2010 @ 2:30 am

You are the one rationalizing, I am telling you how the real world works, it is not some utopian fantasyland. Why don't you give me 80% of what you own and 80% of your future wages, after all that is what you want Americans to do with your let everyone work in the USA “solution”. Send the checks to PO Box 27, Goleta, CA.

I HAVE been in their shoes, I have lived in other countries, and have helped foreigners immigrate here, including my wife and daughter. Those priority dates are so far our because of all the people jammed into the system by past illegal alien amnesties, see the data at http://www.immigrantrightsfoundation.org, not enforcing the immigration laws is what broke the system.

Yes, you are a racist because you hate Americans, since they will not give you what they have built and worked and created for themselves. You have rights and ability mixed up, Americans don't have more rights than you but they do have more ability, which has translated into more prosperity, prosperity you want to enjoy without earning it.

As for the “next Hitler”, Americans don't go around calling themselves “The Superior Cosmic Race” destined to take over the world like the La Raza Cosmic brown supremacists do.


paul relin
Comment posted October 6, 2010 @ 6:03 pm

You should stop and smell the roses sir, what the U.S government and the European governments are doing to the rest of the world, that is a “corrupt and criminal society”

And just so you know, undocumented immigrants don't only come from Mexico, half of all of them come from Asian countries who are stripped of their resources by the policies put in place by these tyrant governments.


paul relin
Comment posted October 6, 2010 @ 6:18 pm

If you really want to stop border violence, you first have to stop sniffing that coke and stop lighting up that mariguana. It's called supply and demand it's the bases for the world's economies. they're fighting over control over the, oh so demanding drug routes that make so much profit from the U.S.

And so you now it is impossible the get heavy duty weapons inside Mexico, so just tell your redneck friends to stop shipping those weapons to Mexico, Colombia, Pakistan, etc. so that the drug lords have nothing to fight with. And then you will be able to single handedly stop violence around the world. So that you can finally go back to hating your father for never hugging you and telling you he loves you.


jobonilla1
Comment posted October 6, 2010 @ 7:17 pm

How do you know there are opportunities in every country? Have you been there? Have you ever experienced the pain in your stomach because your parents can't get you food? Have you ever seen your parents try so hard to get a job but they can't because they do not have connections?
If you think there are opportunities in every country, I challenge you to go to live to a poor community of any 3rd world country, and try to find a way to survive there.


America
Comment posted October 7, 2010 @ 1:27 am

So you basically propose that we storm into Mexico (Poland), get rid of the criminals we don't like there (jews), force the rest of them to work (labor camps such as auschwitz), and reap the profits since we are gods chosen people (aryans). You are more guilty of stealing this plot than James Cameron is of stealing the plot of Avatar from Pocahontas.


America
Comment posted October 7, 2010 @ 1:42 am

You can repeatedly blame any small sector of our federal governments spending on your own misfortunes (and sorry I am that you have these) but you should look at the bigger picture. Consider how the federal government spends money as a whole.

USA: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:U.S._Federal_Spending_-_FY_2007.png

23% is defense

UK: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:UKExpenditure.svg

6% is defense

Its this simple: The federal government spends unnecessary amounts of money on things that are unnecessary.

On a side I suppose that you can argue that maybe if the Brits spent a little more on defense and a little less on tea they would have ended up winning the revolutionary war.


comeatmebro
Comment posted October 7, 2010 @ 2:22 pm

The point is, they came here as kids, and likely did not have a say in the family's choice to come here. They went to school here, learned English, forgot the language of their parents, and learned to call America home.

It is for people who were wronged by their parent's desperation and mistakes, and they don't stop having to deal with the consequences of what their parents did or failed to do once they turn 18.

I wonder what you were doing when you were 15, screwing off in a high school class room somewhere? Complaining about having to go to school? Hating your parents, because they wouldn't let you do what you want. Likely, this is what these kids were going through. Why would a 15 year old be at all preoccupied about being an illegal immigrant? And even if he knew he didn't have legal status, what would you want him to have done? A 15 year old cannot leave his parents, cannot move back to his “home” country alone, and probably can't do anything about his parent's decision to stay in the US illegally.

If you're such an expert in the immigration system and social impacts, why don't you propose a plan? I bet you are going to say “deport them all” and “build a fence.” But then the time comes, don't you dare say a word about the astronomical costs that will incur, because it IS the right thing to do, right?

A wall doesn't produce anything. Zilch, zero, nada. It will cost millions to maintain. Putting more agents at the border is just going to add to the bulk of our overweight bureaucracy. Allowing young adults that were educated here, and ready to pledge allegiance to our country means that we will have enough people paying into the pension system when you retire and have to depend on it.

So what you're telling me is you would rather spend money on an investment that will do nothing except payout millions and bring nothing back in return, instead of spend that same money on educating our children, illegal or not, so that they can become productive tax paying citizens?

PS. The illegals aren't taking your girlfriend's daughters spot. Field workers don't take student visas. If you want someone to blame, blame the incompetent racist institution that the government likes to call the USCIS. Blame the politicians and conserva-facists that will complain to high heaven about illegal immigrants, but won't raise a finger to reform the system.


comeatmebro
Comment posted October 7, 2010 @ 2:37 pm

“America should only seek highly skilled workers, not the desperate and poor who always need monetary assistance.”

Right. We should send all people of Irish descent back to Ireland, because when those Irish came, they were all desperate and poor, and sucked up government assistance. Same goes for the Italians, the Polish, the Vietnamese, want me to keep going? We should also cut the political asylum program, those folks are even poorer.

Just what America needs: highly educated, foreign raised immigrants who might or might not steal America's technological know how and leave again. Oh and they also take good-paying jobs that the shrinking middle class needs. Great idea!

Have fun watching your hundreds of millions of precious tax money go towards a non-returning “investment.” Enjoy going into retirement, only to find out that the country can't actually give you a pension, because you deported the workers that would have paid for it.

Have a nice day!


Sciencemath1
Comment posted October 7, 2010 @ 4:55 pm

… really? ok, so the indians owned it before mexico… so… what? what is your point? that was then and this is now.


Mike
Comment posted October 7, 2010 @ 4:58 pm

the fact is, you can complain about it all you would like, but my grandparents came from germany, LEGALLY, as the HOLOCAUST was happening. they waited until they were legal citizens. and you're trying to tell me that illegal immigrants cannot wait? is there another holocaust happening in the world and no one knows about it but the illegal immigrants who are coming here?


Seriously...?
Comment posted October 7, 2010 @ 5:00 pm

because she obeys the law…?


paul relin
Comment posted October 7, 2010 @ 9:34 pm

Oh yhea, she obeyed the law when she hired that illegal housekeeper, when she wants to take business licenses away for others doing the same. It's called double standard, if your rich enough you'll get away with it. But if you can't pay the price, you can kiss your small business good bye.

F*** Meg Whitman,

Vote Jerry Brown.

( The lesser of two evils )


paul relin
Comment posted October 7, 2010 @ 9:38 pm

No it's which country can control more of the world's natural resources. Don't be surprise when one day the nations of the world declare war on the E.U., and the U.S. for all the crimes against humanity.

Or wait, is that not possible in your perfect, rose colored, world.


paul relin
Comment posted October 7, 2010 @ 9:49 pm

You Idiot, how can you say he doesn't pay taxes, why don't you get your head out of your ass and truly now what you are talking about before you make yourself look like such a jackass. Everyone living and consuming in the U.S. pays taxes. What you think that when he goes to the supermarket they ask him if he's illegal, and if he answers no, the cashier will say, ” ok amigo, you dont have to pay the tax on purchase”


Ivan
Comment posted October 7, 2010 @ 9:57 pm

well exactly… this is now, and sadly many have been given the incorrect way of life. These students have been here mostly all their lives, and some cannot even recall their country o origin. All that is asked it to help ONLY these students, not all the druggies and people who do have a neg. effect in the US, but these are students who have the potential to help the country in way ever they need. The DREAM Act will help those who want to help but can't… so please support it…. it's not bad to help…..


Ivan
Comment posted October 7, 2010 @ 10:04 pm

why is there so much hatred in your answer?! we all end up having the quality of being humans….. just that…… humans. although some decide to act other wise ( rapists, robbers, kidnappers, etc) doesn't mean all decide to be that way…. and we all have an origin, because i live here doesn't mean I'm american…. or because u live here ya it doesn't mean you are american… although you might be…… but…… hatred or anger is the worst way to approach a solution to this Act.


Ivan
Comment posted October 7, 2010 @ 10:07 pm

DUDE!!!!! take a chill pill…… first of all i support you comment of how they don't understand. but please dont go all savage on this. first of all its just an oppinion….. and hatred cannot change this… but demonstrations that they are wrong. I fully support you….. im going through the same…..specialy cuse i gotta start looking hoe to pay for collage…..but its possible with out all this colorful expressions


Wandering Reader
Comment posted October 8, 2010 @ 7:48 pm

Nice try Ivan, but there was no hatred or anger in my answer. Just geography and history. I see you skipped over the fact that other nations exist because they also took land from Indians, nations like Mexico, Peru, Argentina, in fact, all of South America also was taken from native people. So this argument that somehow part of my country belongs to anyone else is very false, greedy, and needs to be clearly rebuked.

By the way, judging from your handle I guess you are Russian. Do you know why Russia is so big? It's because about 200 years ago Russia started expanding to the East, taking over vast land owned by………once again……..native peoples!

So it looks like everyone does the same thing. Therefore no one is owed anything, and unless Mexicans give Mexico back to the Aztec Indians, I refuse to hear them whine about what property of mine they want for themselves.

It's very simple, this land is ours, it will always be ours, we have laws, and we have a very powerful country. It will remain powerful by enforcing laws and following the “will of the governed”. This is why the United States is so successful, while all the other countries that stole land in the New World, are weak failures.

No clear thinking American will ever give up the Rule of Law, since that is worth many countries worth of territory. Look around the world, countries without the Rule of Law are weak failures, we will not be joining them here.


Wandering Reader
Comment posted October 8, 2010 @ 8:00 pm

Well I'm afraid that's just too vague paul relin. “What American and Europe are doing to the rest of the world”, with arguments like that, one doesn't even have to know what they are talking about.

If you re-read my post above, you will see that I said “mostly from Mexico”, believe me, I know all too well that outsiders from the whole world over are taking bitter advantage of us.

And just so you know, I have lived years over seas and understand the lack of law and the corruption of those countries, to claim the US or Europe has the ability to “make” them corrupt is rather naive. They've been corrupt for centuries. Why did Japan and Germany immediately become powerful again, if they were the enemies of the US and Western Europe? It's because of superior social order, discipline, and law. If the poorer countries of the world had those things, then they would become powerful too.

Letting millions of foreigners cheat us, and eventually undermine and ruin our economy (in case you're not aware, the unemployed right now, counting part time workers who wish they had full time jobs, is nearly 17%), will only damage us, and still not address the real problems in these other places.

If you want to help people, lock down our own jobs and benefits so that ONLY US citizens and legal residents may benefit from them, then spend time and money helping other countries to develop. Anything less, and we will only be moving down towards their level, rather than pulling them up towards ours. Because there are 3 BILLION very poor people in the world, and letting a million or two come neither makes us more stable, nor does it assist the 2.98 BILLION left behind in their countries.


mike terans
Comment posted October 9, 2010 @ 1:11 am

Wow that’s terrible, hey I have an idea tell your girlfriends’ daughter to go to the her embassy and tell whoever is in charge,
“me give you suckie, suckie, one dollar,
you pay noow”


TOTHEIDIOTS
Comment posted October 11, 2010 @ 5:13 am

The same would go for America you might as well pack your bags and go back to where you came from in fact California was never sold to the U.S either so why claim something that doesn't belong to you.


TOTHEIDIOTS
Comment posted October 11, 2010 @ 5:18 am

This country was founded by illegal immigrants, so don't come up with that bullshit that your grand parents came here legally, the holocaust was taking place… SO? you are implying that because the holocaust was happening and you grandparents were victims that, it can be justified as them being immigrating to this country legally. Talk about close mindedness


TOTHEIDIOTS
Comment posted October 11, 2010 @ 5:21 am

This is exactly why the whole world see's American's as ignorant. It only takes 1 ignorant person to for them to begin generalizing. Keep in mind that this country was founded by illegal immigrants so don't come up with your bullshit that not one of your ancestors was an illegal immigrant at one point in time, TALK ABOUT IGNORANT HYPOCRITE.


TEY
Comment posted October 12, 2010 @ 3:46 am

TRUE


TEY
Comment posted October 12, 2010 @ 3:49 am

HMMMMM PROBABLY NOT BUT DO YOU EVEN HAVE A JOB??????
AND WHEN YOU START YOUR OWN COMPANY THATS IF U DO. PAY ATTENTION AND MOST OFF ALL THE PEOPLE THAT ARE WORKING FOR YOU ARE GOING TO BE LATINOS.


tey
Comment posted October 12, 2010 @ 3:37 am

yes i agree with you


TEY
Comment posted October 12, 2010 @ 3:44 am

you know what you dont know anything about latinos so dont be saying anything take a walk on their shoes for once and see wat they go through. they cam here for a better lufe,future they're hard working unlike you. yea u guys have paper, and are citizens so what but theirs some of your population wonderind around homeless.


tey
Comment posted October 12, 2010 @ 3:52 am

no your wrong we dont hate american but we the latinos dont think its fair off what the laws are. The law gives more oppurtunity to american citizens


Wandering Reader
Comment posted October 13, 2010 @ 12:12 am

Oh, I don't know. Maybe it's our massive military. Little Mexico couldn't fight its way out of wet paper bag. So far the US has let Mexicans do what they want because you were useful to us.

Do you really think you'd last a week against our military? Ask Iraq and Afghanistan how long you'd last.

We're about done with you, let the chips fall where they may.


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Mila
Comment posted October 13, 2010 @ 7:37 pm

As an illegal immigrant, who has been waiting for this Dream ACT (more like a nightmare to me) for a few years now, I can honestly say im over all this BS. The people who oppose to this usually have the same lame excuses, I pay my taxes, so does my family, we don't get foodstamps, or help from the govt., and in my case, im not stealing jobs from Americans. And if any American gets their job “stolen” by an illegal immigrant, there has to be something wrong there. You have a social, a car, and you speak english, why can't you get a job?

And Im not an exception, I got tons of friend that are in my same situation. All over the country theres people like this. We're not “mexicans outisde home depot”.


Ivan
Comment posted October 13, 2010 @ 9:50 pm

dude u rock!!!!! i gotta start thinking bout college already…. but we can do it……!!!!!!! its not the politicians fault to think that way tho… it's our job to change their mind, not aggressively, but it's possible, but it's up to us!


Aware
Comment posted October 14, 2010 @ 5:35 am

U know? sometimes u have to put yourself in another person's shoes to understand what they go through. Let me ask you this, Why did Europeans come to America? For a better future… Now, why are foreigners coming to America? FOR A BETTER FUTURE.. just different timing, and more strict laws. Open your mind, this is talking about the dream act, it's sort of “humanitarian”. Oh, you lived over-seas? I bet there is many undocumented students wanting to have that experience, but guess what? they cant, why? cus they wouldnt be able to come back for another 10 years…and its worse if this is the only place they consider their home, isn't it?


Aware
Comment posted October 14, 2010 @ 5:36 am

Well said.


Wandering Reader
Comment posted October 14, 2010 @ 2:58 pm

How dare you have such an arrogant attitude. “I'm over it”, we have laws in this country, thief.

Mexico is a crap hole exactly because of your childish attitude. Anything your family is doing here is stealing from us.

You talk like that because traitors in our country have let you steal and lie for years now, but we don't owe you anything.

I speak Chinese fluently, and French, but I would never go to those countries, start working illegally, then demand that I'm just the same as the people whose country I broke into.

Anyway, sooner or later we will block all illegals from college, we will match social security numbers at jobs and remove the fake workers, and we will use E-verify to block you out of every chance you look for to steal from us.

If you ever develop any class, or honesty, or learn what a law is, and why South America continues to be a crap hole even though they have vast resources, and THEN if you APPLY to live here, and are accepted, well then I'll welcome you back as an American.

But I like your show of attitude, it means you know the game is about up and now you're just going into denial. Keep denying honey, we don't have enough for ourselves anymore, so you can be sure this “steal from the Americans” game is at an end.

I sincerely hope you have a good life in YOUR country (that's Mexico, by the way), because you're going to be living there before too much longer.


mila
Comment posted October 15, 2010 @ 7:16 am

I was stating that im over people like you..(stupid). Just by you calling me a Mexican and then stating “THEN if you APPLY to live here, and are accepted” just lets me know how much about this you really do know. Class, I've got it. Honesty as well, and I know the law…sorry I had to brake it, I had no choice really.

Its really depressing that for people like you, I can't go to collage without paying as an international student. Im sure you are also Native American and you have every right to kick me out….although it won't happen.

And you want some more arrogant attitude? If Im stealing from Americans like you…I kinda believe you deserve it. And don't worry, as much as it kills you, im not going nowhere. I could actually live (legally as well…) in Paris right now with my fluent french, or in Holland with my fluent Dutch, perhaps I'll go to Portugal with my fluent portuguese, but no. Your comment hit the right spot.

I like it here…..a lot.


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Ivan
Comment posted October 26, 2010 @ 1:18 am

no…. i bet most jobs that undocumented people take are viewed as dicusting and “not good enough”… so please dont start w/that…


Ivan
Comment posted October 25, 2010 @ 10:08 pm

:D…..i cannot believe it!!!!! you gettit! thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! we got to make this clear! ugh…its amazing how horrible it is that all this is because the americans have hatred…..not its not about fairness or not….it more hatred and making us less than paying attention to what really is messing up this country….


Ivan
Comment posted October 25, 2010 @ 10:10 pm

FYI…. illegals DO PAY TAXES! this should not e part of the issue….why dont u see all of the citizens who HAVE to but DONT. my family and i dont have to… but we do……and we are not the only family like that….this should not be an issue!


Ivan
Comment posted October 25, 2010 @ 10:13 pm

no… we pay taxes with our ITIN number real name, real age, real everything! stop with the taxes thing…. we are the ones who pay w/o papers!


Ivan
Comment posted October 25, 2010 @ 10:15 pm

no comment….. this is amazing! i hrear u bro… same here! we cant back down!


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MICHAEL A SCHWINN
Comment posted April 15, 2011 @ 6:10 pm

I LIKE WHAT YOU SAY WANDERER/ vetelect@sbcglobal.net . do you have any ideas on how to eliminate sanctuary city statuses, i live in san francisco for the passed 37 yrs , senator Fienstien started this shit here after an earthquake in Mexico in 1980 viva mexico she said and sanctury city , So she made Frisco a fucking Magnet for these illiterates ! call me razista , im married to Chicano they dont want the wetbacks here either! I say MASS DEPORTATION , LETS RELIVE THE 1950s.. PEACE FOR LEGAL AMERICANS


JOE MAMMA
Comment posted April 15, 2011 @ 6:25 pm

HEY WE IN THE UNITED STATES DONT WANT TO PAY TO EDUCATE YOU # 1 YOU ARE A FELON , WHEN YOU ARE DETAINED SOMETIME FOR WHAT EVER THE LONG ARM OF THE LAW WILL GRAB YOU BY THE BOO BOO AND PLACE YOU ON A BUS TO BE DEPORTED . SO BE PERPARED FOR DISAPPOINTMENT . AND WHEN YOU BECOME A FELON YOU CAN FORGET ABOUT EVER BECOMEING A CITIZEN HERE ! SO GO HOME NOW AND HELP YOUR PEOPLE TO BECOME TRULY FREE . GET RID OF MEXICOS CORRUPED POLITITIONS. YOULL ENJOY THE WEATHER THERE AND REALLY DO YOU WANT TO BE AROUND A BUCH OF GRINGOS ANY WAY ?OR , TRULY I WISH I COULD LIVE IN MEXICO . BUT THE GOVERNMENT IS CROOKED . AND IM A AMERICAN CITIZEN . I AM 59 YRS OLD AND I DIDNT SERVE IN VEITNAM SO YOU COULD JUST COME OVER HERE EXSPECTING A FREE RIDE ON MY GOVERNMENT . FIX YOUR OWN COUNTRY , AND STAY YOULL BE GLAD YOU DID MISS MILA . VIA CON DIOS! VETERAN ARMY 1970!


JOE MAMMA
Comment posted April 15, 2011 @ 6:33 pm

OUR FORE FATHERS THOUGHT WE COULD DO BETTER FOR CALIFORNIA, OTHER THAN WHAT THE FORMER MEXICAN GOVT WAS DOING BESIDES WE, (AT THAT TIME,) TAKE WHAT WHATS NOT BEING USED AND MAKE IT OURS NOW FOR OVER 150 YRS , THIS CALIF WILL NEVER BE MEXICOS LAND EVER AGAIN , SO GET OVER IT HONEY


JOE MAMMA
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NOT ANY MORE


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