Breaking Down the Menendez Immigration Bill

Friday, October 01, 2010 at 5:53 pm links to a good summary of the 874-page comprehensive immigration reform bill Sens. Robert Menendez (D-N.J.) and Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.) introduced Wednesday. The bill includes paths to legalization for non-criminal illegal immigrants in the country, provided they pay a fine and application fees. But first it focuses on increased enforcement at borders, inside the country and in workplaces.

Although the bill may not go anywhere, it contains some measures that could be aimed at finding bipartisan support, including its first section on border enforcement. Republicans have made a call for border security a central part of their message on immigration reform. From the summary:

  • Expands Customs and Border Protection (CBP) and Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) staffing, in line with this review.
  • Improves training and accountability for DHS border and immigration officers.
  • Enhances cooperation with Canada and Mexico, as well as local law enforcement agencies, to improve border security and coordinate crime fighting.

The bill specifically places immigration in the hands of federal authorities, clarifying the legality of state immigration enforcement efforts such as Arizona’s SB 1070 immigration law.

The next section focuses on interior enforcement, attempting to make the system less exploitable and more humane toward legal and illegal immigrants:

  • Requires DHS to track the departure of noncitizens to ensure that individuals do not overstay their visas.
  • Denies “visa waiver” privileges to countries whose citizens attempt to overstay visas.
  • Refines existing law on illegal entry, illegal reentry and voluntary departure of noncitizens to ensure enforcement of those provisions and heighten penalties for those who commit serious offenses. [...]
  • Improves detention conditions to meet basic standards; expands secure alternatives to detention.
  • Ends the waiting period for refugees and asylees to obtain green cards.

Third is a section on workplace enforcement. Like the blueprint created by Sens. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) and Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) this spring, the Menendez-Leahy bill calls for a fraud-resistant, tamper resistant Social Security card:

  • Mandates the use of an employment verification system for all employers within five years. [...]
  • Requires the Social Security Administration to create a reliable and secure way of verifying Social Security numbers and work authorization.
  • Adds criminal penalties for fraud and misuse of Social Security numbers.

The remainder of the bill focuses on reforming the legal immigration system, which both sides agree is badly in need of improvement. The fourth section focuses on how visas will be determined and distributed, including the AgJOBS and Uniting American Families Act to improve the process for farm workers and foreign partners of gay and lesbian citizens:

  • Creates a Standing Commission on Immigration, Labor Markets, and the National interest to evaluate labor market and economic conditions and recommend quotas for employment? based visa programs that Congress and the President would act on. [...]
  • Creates the structure for a new nonimmigrant visa program (H?2C) to address gaps in existing worker programs that have lead to undocumented migration. [...]
  • Significantly expands labor protections in current H?2A, H?2B, H?1B, and L?1 visa programs.
  • Ensures that the number of family and employment green cards authorized by Congress do not expire because of processing delays; expands the share of visas that each country can access within existing quotas that limit overall immigration.
  • Incorporates the AgJOBS bill, which provides a path to permanent residency for farm workers and revises agricultural employer sponsorship requirements.
  • Incorporates the Uniting American Families Act, which allows permanent partners to access the family?based immigration system.

The next step is legalization for some of the 11 million illegal immigrants living in the U.S., which the Obama administration argues is necessary to maintain the economy, communities and families:

  • Creates Lawful Prospective Immigrant (LPI) status for non?criminal undocumented immigrants living in the U.S. since 9/30/10. Requires applicants to submit biometric and biographical data, undergo security and law enforcement checks, and pay a $500 fine plus application fees. LPI status lasts four years and can be extended. It includes work authorization and permission to travel abroad; immediate family members are also eligible for status under the program. [...]
  • Incorporates the DREAM Act, which creates a path to legal status for individuals who were brought to the U.S. illegally as children, provided they meet age and other criteria and enroll in college or the U.S. military.

In its final section, the bill establishes several programs to better integrate immigrants into American society and provide humanitarian aid to those who cannot enter:

  • Enhances programs and policies to help immigrants learn English and U.S. civics, such as: tax credits for teachers of English language learners and businesses who provide such training for their employees; a revamped DHS Office of Citizenship and New Americans to assist with immigrant integration; and grants for states who work to successfully integrate newcomers. [...]
  • Evaluates the factors that drive undocumented migration from key sending countries and requires the State Department to develop a strategy to reduce migration pressures.

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Comment posted October 1, 2010 @ 10:14 pm

Ok it is a start, but again to much in favor of the illegals what about the people who are in the process of obtaining citizenship the correct way. Just throw them under the bus. Also how will we force Mexico to enforce our laws, they have ignored them for years…. Lucy and Ethel this needs work.

Comment posted October 1, 2010 @ 10:25 pm

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“SKILL BILL-Title II, Title III & Title IV” of Comprehensive Immigration Reform is basically a step towards retaining Foreign Workers Educated in the United States. This will benefit a lot to advanced degree holders who are currently or in future hold H1-B visa & intend to stay in US.

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I hope all, will be able to spend some time discussing this issue and exciting, new initiatives, as it would benefit majority of advanced degree holders, who currently have to wait for several years to get Green Card.

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Comment posted October 1, 2010 @ 10:40 pm

I think it should have also some reinforcement on illegal marriages just to get a green card.
This country is full of people getting married for money with illegal people.

Comment posted October 1, 2010 @ 11:00 pm

The country needs an inmigration law now. Find ways to postpone it just leads to more crime, less prosperity and insecurity for those inmigrants who came to contribute with their professionalism and knowledge to this country. Our borders have been and will be insecure with or without a new law. Nobody can stop this true. We are rounded for a poor country and their citizens are tired of their authorities. People have the right to look for a better future. Please do not close the door to them. They are humans being.

Comment posted October 1, 2010 @ 11:06 pm

before worrying about those who do business with weddings, it would be better to devote resources to stop drug trafficking. those who marry to obtain a green card security just looking to settle and start a new life.

Comment posted October 1, 2010 @ 11:19 pm

yes, but this is a result of the broken immigration laws that we have. They marry because they really want to be here and they have no other options to obtain legal status except for marrying a US citizen. If those people would be able to legalize themselves they would not have to break the laws together with US citizens…

Comment posted October 1, 2010 @ 11:21 pm

If Republicans would not try to even cooperate with Democrats on this bill after the stupid elections, that will proof in 100% that they are anti-immigrant xenophobes that don't are about who is coming to the country. This comprehensive bill must fix the problem of illegal migration and give those who are already here papers! say NO to family destructions and violations of human right! This is America!

Comment posted October 1, 2010 @ 11:52 pm

republicans are xenophobes they dont help their own people

how will they have compassion for other familys breaking apart every day?

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Comment posted October 2, 2010 @ 3:17 am

If you watch the polls, you discover the vast majority of the people of this country do not want to provide amnesty, or anything that looks like amnesty, to the illegal aliens. The issues are that they broke the law, that they currently are involved in a huge amount of fraud including birthright citizenship, welfare, use of forged documents, use of citizens social security cards,

Comment posted October 2, 2010 @ 4:41 am

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Comment posted October 2, 2010 @ 5:20 am

You are wrong!!!

Comment posted October 2, 2010 @ 5:22 am

I think this is fair bill, lot a money into the system, save the social security and it a Christian thing to do. Vote YES on it.

Comment posted October 2, 2010 @ 5:28 am

This bill is illegal and unconstitutional.

Read Article 4, Section 4.

If the bill ever comes to the floor and is voted on, there will likely be arrests made by the FBI in the chamber within minutes.

Barry Lyndon
Comment posted October 2, 2010 @ 5:57 am

The fine of $500.00 is much to low – an insult, really. Fifteen thousand dollars ($15,000.00) payable over 3 years is a more suitable amount per illegal. If they don't want to pay then they can leave.

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Comment posted October 2, 2010 @ 6:00 am

nice economic incentive to our american economy kinda like obamas incentive

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Comment posted October 2, 2010 @ 12:00 pm

Garbage. Most of it is already in effect through other legislation.

Comment posted October 2, 2010 @ 12:34 pm

I think Roberto Menendez should be recalled. As a matter of fact the state of NJ is trying to recall the bum

Comment posted October 2, 2010 @ 1:46 pm

Art. IV, Sec. 4 does not address immigration in any form, but does address invasion and domestic violence.
Are you suggesting that:
1) illegal immigration is an invasion, or
2) private employers or private citizen border patrols are a source of domestic violence?

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Comment posted October 2, 2010 @ 7:33 pm

“Estimated Price To Remove All Illegals Immigrants From The U.S Completely Is Less Than The Failed Stimulus Bill”

August, 2010

Mr. X

Dear Mr. X
Thank you for contacting me about immigration reform. I appreciate hearing from you.

Our nation faces a host of problems as a result of years of inattention to our immigration policies. The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) estimates that about 11 million people in the United States lack legal status, including those who enter the country illegally and those who overstay temporary visas.

Illegal immigration raises national security and economic issues that must be addressed. I have worked to reform our immigration system comprehensively. A number of Senators, including myself, recently released a blueprint outlining the basic principles a comprehensive reform measure should include.

The blueprint would improve border security by increasing manpower and deploying new technology. Many people have asked for reforms that would secure our borders before putting the immigrants who are already here on a path to legal status. In response to that concern, a “trigger” was included in the 2007 immigration bill and is preserved in the 2010 blueprint. The plan would require that certain border security and enforcement benchmarks be met before any program is started that would address the status of illegal immigrants already here.

Congress has taken many steps in recent years to step up security at our borders. The 2009 American Recovery and Reinvestment Act provided $100 million for inspection systems to be deployed at border ports of entry, $100 million for border security technology on the Southwest border, and $420 million for modernization and construction of facilities used to control and process border crossings. The Fiscal Year 2010 Homeland Security Appropriations Act provided $8.1 billion for the Customs and Border Protection (CBP) agency. This amount includes $19 million to hire an additional 100 Border Patrol agents. The bill also provided $800 million for border security fencing, infrastructure, and technology. Immigration and Customs Enforcement was allocated $5.3 billion to support investigation activities and detention and removal operations. The bill funds 33,400 detention beds and requires that at least $2.5 billion be used in the detention and removal of unauthorized persons. The bill provides $1.5 billion to identify and remove those with criminal records illegally residing in the United States.

The new immigration blueprint also calls for strengthened enforcement against employers who hire illegal immigrants, an essential element of comprehensive reform. The federal government must crack down on employers who ignore our nation's laws and hire illegal immigrants. The reform proposal calls for a biometric employment verification system and increased penalties for hiring illegal immigrants.

If we are serious about reform, we also must adopt a realistic approach to the millions of undocumented immigrants who live and work in our country. Mass deportation of illegal immigrants is impractical and too expensive. Experts estimate that deporting all of the undocumented immigrants would cost more than $280 billion, seven times DHS's budget last year. Instead, we need to offer immigrants who work hard and demonstrate a long-term commitment to be law-abiding, contributing members of our country a chance to pay fines and earn their way to permanent legal status over the course of many years. Some have falsely called this amnesty. I oppose amnesty because it is not right to reward those who have broken the law with automatic citizenship. This proposal will not give amnesty to illegal immigrants.

The blueprint calls for a two-phase system of legalization. The first phase would require all undocumented individuals to register with the government, pass criminal background checks, and pay fees in order to be granted lawful prospective immigrant status. The second phase would occur eight years later, after the current visa backlog has been processed. At that stage, undocumented aliens would be able to earn their way to permanent legal status only if they pass updated criminal background checks; possess basic citizenship skills; demonstrate basic English language skills; pay all federal taxes, fees, and penalties; and register for the Selective Service.

If we do not give people who are already a part of our communities the chance to earn legal status, we will not solve the problem of illegal immigration. Those living here illegally will stay in the shadows instead of coming forward to register. This hurts our national security and hurts American workers, who are being undercut by cheap illegal labor.

I am deeply concerned about the impact of potential temporary guest worker programs. In contrast to those immigrants who are already here and actively engaged in our workforce, guest worker programs would bring in a large future flow of workers with no long-term commitment to our country. I voted to eliminate the guest worker program in the previous Senate immigration bill. When that effort was unsuccessful, I offered a Hire Americans First amendment to require employers to seek American workers for their open positions before they try to bring in guest workers. I have also introduced legislation designed to protect American workers by addressing major abuses in the H-1B visa program.

There is no perfect solution to the problems we face as a result of our broken immigration system. Today, our borders are not secure, our workplace enforcement laws need reform, and our immigration policy fosters a shadow economy for millions of immigrants who simply want to demonstrate that they can be hardworking contributors to the greatness of our country. I will continue to work for a package of reforms that will protect American workers and that will be tough, enforceable, economically sensible, and morally defensible. I will keep your views in mind as the debate continues.

Richard J. Durbin
United States Senator

Pass It On!!!

Comment posted October 2, 2010 @ 9:24 pm

do what americans always do
invade and take control

Comment posted October 2, 2010 @ 9:53 pm

Menendez wants to further cripple the economy as any new path to citizenship, will be a huge appropriation from taxpayers. Remember that after all these 12 to 20 million people living here, will expect on being processed-to bring into America under the chain migration statute–ALL–their immediate family members. Mothers and Fathers, brothers and sisters and uncle and aunts. Sooner than later the sponsor will get fed up with the sick family member, who will then become a charge for taxpayers. GOOGLE–dialysis–illegal aliens-costs. Then you decide if the taxpayers are not being taken for a ride. Check out the expenditure of illegal immigrants in our hospitals, which would buy a whole country.

But nothing can be done about those who already have violated our laws, except mass deportation or the permanent operation of verifying the legal status of labor, by using highly upgraded E-Verify. The Federation for American Immigration Reform (an activist group concerned in reducing immigration to the U.S.), used the U.S. INS (ICE is the new merged version) statistics on how many illegal immigrants have illegally settled in each state. The U.S. Dept of Education's current overheads per pupil by state, and found the estimated cost of educating illegal immigrants students and U.S. citizen children of illegal immigrants in 2004 was $29.6 billion. Seven years later the amount appropriated as currently cannot even be imagined? In 2008, about 344,000 babies were born to parents of whom at least one was an illegal immigrant. These babies were given legal status, under the Fourteenth Amendment , as American citizens.

These offspring represented eight percent of the 4.3 million births in the United States that year. These figures are just estimates of illegal immigration to the United States, and there is very little data on the dollar value placed on taxpayers. However, one thing is a 100 percent for sure the cost of supporting foreign nationals and their broods, far outweighs what they pay in taxes or any other expenditure and is still spiraling upwards. This is why all incumbents must not be given a second chance, beginning with Sen. Harry Reid (D-NV). Reid like all the others has turned a blind eye to taxpayers in subsidizing millions of illegal aliens. His own state of Nevada as with California is overwhelmed with illegal aliens and the taxpayers have grave concerns for their sinking economies. We need representation of new Governors, Mayors and elected officials, who are opposed to any kind of Amnesty, such as the Dream act or the subtle description of a path to citizenship.

I’m not overly fond of Meg Whitman, Carly Fiorina but she at least won’t sacrifice California taxpayers as Jerry Brown to adjoin with other pro amnesty entities. The majority of Democrats are pro-amnesty, although a few Republicans are corrupted by special interest groups to attain the goal of allowing–ALL-to stay. Jerry Brown will be an open door to illegal immigrants, soaking-up even more citizen-legal residents welfare programs, that will be billions more dollars that taxpayers cannot afford. Ask“Supervisor Michael D. Antonovich who released figures from the Department of Public Social Services showing that illegal aliens’ children born in the United States collected nearly $570 million in welfare and food stamps in 2009. Approximately 23% of all CALWORKS and food stamp issuances in Los Angeles County are made to parents who reside in the United States illegally and collect benefits for their native-born children.

I repeat that business owners in the majority find no responsibility in paying for health care, education or a mixture of other freebies. Barbara Boxer of California is a strong advocate for Amnesty, so is Speaker Nancy Pelosi and many others, who if are returned to their Washington seat will aggressively seek another negative reform. This retaliation against all incumbents is the measure of proof that they have ignored the interests of all Americans, who have not been indoctrinated by the lying of the Liberal media or the open border fanatics.

American voter’s message is clear– that it’s time for incumbents to adjourn and go back to a private job or just retire on your copious benefits. Think about this–if we were not forced by law to pay taxes, to support the illegal household’s, we would have more than enough money to concentrate on our own impoverished American people. My guess the unions do not want billionaire Meg Whitman in office, because they will not be able to influence her as Jerry Brown with questionable monetary favors and campaign contributions? Let's face it–after a whole year has passed, this elusive illegal alien female maid comes out the woodwork to accuse Whitman, of all sorts of improprieties.

This lady has already admitted she broke immigration laws by using false identification, and then she suddenly comes forward to denounce Meg Whitman. Unions and other entities have plenty of money to spend, to deceive the Public with their own ideological premise? Incidentally–Gloria Allred has a ominous agenda and a political appointee of Bill Clinton. It's my opinion as an Independent that its all a fabrication. Call up your Senator or Congressman at 202-224-3121. Remember if we don’t speak up for ourselves–NOTHING WILL EVER CHANGE. Lastly, keep a intelligent eye on the polling stations as illegal immigrants who have given us the finger on our immigration laws, will think nothing of violating our sovereign citizen’s rights in fraudulent voting, especially with absentee ballots in states with slipshod laws

Comment posted October 3, 2010 @ 2:34 am

If illegal aliens can immigrate by amnesty, so how about the legal aliens such as foreign students who have advanced degree in Science & Technology and have stayed here for over 5 years with legal ID such as drivers' license and social security card and without any criminal background? Is it logical to legalize the illegal aliens but without legalize the foreign students who have both money and knowlege???

Practically I do think it is NOT practical to deport over millions of illegal immigrants away. Therefore, I think illegal immigrants should give them a chance to get the green card if they have stayed here for over 5 years without any fake ID and they do not have any criminal background, know English, pay fine and pay all taxes. They should pay at least $10,000 for fine for each person and if possible, they should pay some additional monetary contributions voluntarily to help the economy for fair reason. Also, after I see the news about the “amnesty of illegals”, I wonder if those illegal immigrants can immigrate, so why don't give chances for foreign students who have stayed here for over 5 years and with advanced academic degree in Science & Technology to immigrate since these foreign students have both money and knowledge. They are literate in English with drivers' licenses and social security number for years. They come here legally for academic study. Of course, these foreign students should be screened for background check. I know money and knowledge are welcomed for most other countries for immigration. If illegals can immigrate by amnesty, so how about the legals (foreign students)? Also, from the economic perspective, more immigration, more demand of services and more money inflow to the country. More immigration will have more people to buy or rent the house, to buy cars and to spend money on household products which will indirectly uplift the retail economy. More friends and relatives from these immigrants visit the countries by travel visa and these will indirectly increase the sales of the flight tickets, hotel reservations, restaurants' business. All these will indirectly create the inflow of money and job opportunities because more demand of services, more job opportunities. Therefore, I do think the immigration of those knowledgeable and wealthy foreign students is very important because they are rich to help the economy.
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Comment posted October 3, 2010 @ 1:23 pm

We need legal path to citizenship for illegal immigrants and also legal immigrants. Both need to be considered. It has been a long wait time for both !

Comment posted October 3, 2010 @ 1:54 pm

Before you Scream and show Ignorance and Hate at least read the Immigration Law regarding Undocumented Immigrants.


Eight million Undocumented immigrants pay Social Security, Medicare and income taxes. Denying public services to people who pay their taxes is an affront to America’s bedrock belief in fairness. But many “pull-up-the-drawbridge” politicians want to do just that when it comes to Undocumented immigrants.

The fact that Undocumented immigrants pay taxes at all will come as news to many Americans. A stunning two thirds of Undocumented immigrants pay Medicare, Social Security and personal income taxes.

Yet, nativists like Congressman Tom Tancredo, R-Colo., have popularized the notion that illegal aliens are a colossal drain on the nation’s hospitals, schools and welfare programs — consuming services that they don’t pay for.

In reality, the 1996 welfare reform bill disqualified Undocumented immigrants from nearly all means tested government programs including food stamps, housing assistance, Medicaid and Medicare-funded hospitalization.

The only services that illegals can still get are emergency medical care and K-12 education. Nevertheless, Tancredo and his ilk pushed a bill through the House criminalizing all aid to illegal aliens — even private acts of charity by priests, nurses and social workers.

Potentially, any soup kitchen that offers so much as a free lunch to an illegal could face up to five years in prison and seizure of assets. The Senate bill that recently collapsed would have tempered these draconian measures against private aid.

But no one — Democrat or Republican — seems to oppose the idea of withholding public services. Earlier this year, Congress passed a law that requires everyone who gets Medicaid — the government-funded health care program for the poor — to offer proof of U.S. citizenship so we can avoid “theft of these benefits by illegal aliens,” as Rep. Charlie Norwood, R-Ga., puts it. But, immigrants aren’t flocking to the United States to mooch off the government.

According to a study by the Urban Institute, the 1996 welfare reform effort dramatically reduced the use of welfare by undocumented immigrant households, exactly as intended. And another vital thing happened in 1996: the Internal Revenue Service began issuing identification numbers to enable illegal immigrants who don’t have Social Security numbers to file taxes.

One might have imagined that those fearing deportation or confronting the prospect of paying for their safety net through their own meager wages would take a pass on the IRS’ scheme. Not so. Close to 8 million of the 12 million or so illegal aliens in the country today file personal income taxes using these numbers, contributing billions to federal coffers.

No doubt they hope that this will one day help them acquire legal status — a plaintive expression of their desire to play by the rules and come out of the shadows. What’s more, aliens who are not self-employed have Social Security and Medicare taxes automatically withheld from their paychecks.

Since undocumented workers have only fake numbers, they’ll never be able to collect the benefits these taxes are meant to pay for. Last year, the revenues from these fake numbers — that the Social Security administration stashes in the “earnings suspense file” — added up to 10 percent of the Social Security surplus.

The file is growing, on average, by more than $50 billion a year. Beyond federal taxes, all illegals automatically pay state sales taxes that contribute toward the upkeep of public facilities such as roads that they use, and property taxes through their rent that contribute toward the schooling of their children.

The non-partisan National Research Council found that when the taxes paid by the children of low-skilled immigrant families — most of whom are illegal — are factored in, they contribute on average $80,000 more to federal coffers than they consume. Yes, many illegal migrants impose a strain on border communities on whose doorstep they first arrive, broke and unemployed.

To solve this problem equitably, these communities ought to receive the surplus taxes that federal government collects from immigrants. But the real reason border communities are strained is the lack of a guest worker program.

Such a program would match willing workers with willing employers in advance so that they wouldn’t be stuck for long periods where they disembark while searching for jobs. The cost of undocumented aliens is an issue that immigrant bashers have created to whip up indignation against people they don’t want here in the first place.

With the Senate having just returned from yet another vacation and promising to revisit the stalled immigration bill, politicians ought to set the record straight: Illegals are not milking the government. If anything, it is the other way around.

The Undocumented Immigrants pay the exact same amount of taxes like you and me when they buy Things, rent a house, fill up gas, drink a beer or wine, buy appliances, play the states lottery and mega millions . Below are the links to just a few sites that will show you exactly how much tax you or the Undocumented Immigrant pays , so you see they are NOT FREELOADERS, THEY PAY TAXES AND TOLLS Exactly the same as you, Now if you take out 10% from your states /city Budget what will your city/state look like financially ?

Stop your folly thinking , you are wise USE YOUR WISDOM to see the reality. They pay more taxes than you think, Including FEDERAL INCOME TAX using a ITN Number that is given to them by the IRS, Social Security Taxes and State taxes that are withheld form their paychecks automatically.

Taxes, paid by You & the Undocumented are the same in each state check your state :

GAS Taxes paid by you & the Undocumented are the same. Go to and check out your states tax;

Cigarette Taxes paid by you & the Undocumented are the same, check this out in :

Clothing Sales Taxes, are the same paid by you & the Undocumented Immigrant;

City Taxes, are the same paid by you or the Undocumented, since he pays rent and the LANDLORD pays the city :

Beer Taxes, are the same paid by you or the Undocumented:


Comment posted October 3, 2010 @ 1:55 pm

This week, the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) came out with a report entitled, The Fiscal Burden of Illegal Immigration on U.S. Taxpayers, which discusses the costs of unauthorized immigration to the United States. As usual, FAIR has put out a highly misleading fiscal snapshot of the costs allegedly imposed on U.S. taxpayers by unauthorized immigrants and completely discounts the economic contributions of unauthorized workers and consumers. Moreover, FAIR inflates their costs in a variety of ways and conveniently ignores any contributions that would offset these costs.

While the publication is long and deals with a wide range of issues that warrant more dissection by credible economic experts, the trade publication Education Week has already begun the deconstruction with an item that sheds light on their misleading claims about providing English language services in schools.

Another argument FAIR makes, which makes it hard to glean what their solution would be is the high cost of deporting undocumented workers which FAIR blames on the immigrants themselves. It's a somewhat circular argument to say that the cost of undocumented immigrants includes the cost of failing law enforcement efforts. So, in essence, FAIR is saying that the deport-them-all approach costs too much money and doesn't work. Yet their “solution” is to spend even more money on enforcement.

FAIR's data is meant only to reinforce their vision of “attrition through enforcement.” It is not rooted in an effort to move the immigration debate forward. Therefore, passing comprehensive immigration reform – which would yield a cumulative $1.5 trillion in added U.S. gross domestic product over 10 years – is the only sound economic decision the United States can make.

SOURCE Immigration Policy Center

Who’s behind these laws?

The Immigration Reform Law Institute, or IRLI, the legal arm of the Federation for American Immigration Reform, or FAIR, drafted the Arizona law and most of the copycat bills. The Southern Poverty Law Center designated FAIR a hate group because of its founder’s writings, its repeated participation with white nationalist groups, and its receipt of major funding from a racist organization.

Copycat laws frequently rely on the work of attorney Kris Kobach, who works for IRLI. Kobach’s lawyering has cost localities who have hired him millions of dollars while the laws have been found unconstitutional. The Arizona law was brought forth by State Senator Russell Pearce, who the Arizona press has described as having a history of associating with neo-Nazis and sending anti-Semitic emails.

Comment posted October 3, 2010 @ 1:56 pm

Ignorance is Bliss: Those who have NO CLUE or QUALIFICATIONS about Immigration are those who show their IGNORANCE :)

There is NO SUCH WORD AS 'ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT” in Blacks Law Dictionary, or In Merriam Websters Dictionary. Get Educated .

“Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger said Wednesday that the claim by some conservative activists that illegal immigration is to blame for all of the state's fiscal problems is ignorant and bigoted.”

Arturo E. Ocampo of Tracy has been a practicing attorney since 1985, In the 20-plus years I have spent studying, lecturing and litigating immigration issues, two things have always amazed me. The first is the amount and intensity of hate spewed against undocumented workers. The second is the amount of misinformation that is published about them.

On this second point, the quote from Mark Twain is illustrative. “A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes.” I suppose this may be true in part because misinformation, like a lie, requires no accuracy, validation or research; all of which are time-consuming practices.

The recent letters alleging that all undocumented workers are “criminals,” and specifically Veronica Suarez, whose plight was written about in the Tracy Press recently, is a criminal are factually incorrect.

According to the facts (as stated in Sharon Franceschi’s Sept. 7 commentary) Saurez entered the U.S. on a valid visa, overstayed her visa when it expired, resulting in her unlawful immigration status. None of these acts, as stated by Franceschi, constitute a crime under federal or state law. Overstaying a valid visa under the Immigration and Naturalization Act is a civil violation of the law, not a criminal violation. Being in the U.S. in under undocumented status is not a criminal violation, but a civil violation of the INA.

The facts, as stated by Franceschi, do not indicate that Suarez has committed any crime. To call her a criminal is erroneous at best, and libelous at worst.

Furthermore, it is an Americanism that a person is innocent until proven guilty. So until Suarez (or any other undocumented person) is charged and found guilty of a crime, it would be inappropriate to call them “criminals.”

It is important to note that there is a very large difference between civil and criminal violations of law. The distinction is so important that the law makes the erroneous allegation that one has committed a crime of slander or libel, (which means liability is automatic even without proof of damages). One who violates the civil law is no more a criminal than someone who has breached a contract or accidentally damaged another’s property.

It is true that entering the United States without inspection is a misdemeanor under the INA. The misdemeanor is completed once an individual’s entry is complete. Suarez, according to Franceschi, did not enter without inspection; she entered with a valid visa. According to U.S. Immigration and Citizenship Services statistics, about 40 percent of undocumented persons enter legally and overstay their visas (which, as stated above, is not a crime). Consequently, at least 40 percent of the undocumented population has committed no crime in regards to their immigration status.

Therefore, one cannot assume that a person has committed a crime simply because they are undocumented.

Franceschi is also in error in her allegation that getting married and having children while being undocumented in the U.S. is a violation of the law. It is not. Franceschi goes on to say that Suarez “apparently bought a house illegally.” It is unlikely that Franceschi knows exactly how Suarez purchased her home. Consequently, any allegation of illegality is, at a minimum, irresponsible.

It is also important to note that the Immigration and Citizenship Services doesn’t consider all undocumented persons criminals. When the Immigration and Citizenship Services publishes information about its enforcement activities involving undocumented workers, it are always sure to make a distinction between “criminal” and noncriminal aliens.

Another myth is that the term “illegal aliens” is a term of art or is legal jargon. This term is not found anywhere in the INA or in Blacks Law Dictionary. The INA refers to undocumented persons as either an EWI (entered without inspection) or as someone who has overstayed their visa. “Illegal aliens” is a term invented by anti-immigrant groups designed to put undocumented persons in the worst possible light and to instill fear in Americans. It is intentionally designed to associate undocumented persons with criminality.

This xenophobic view that undocumented persons are “simply criminals” comes from the historical stereotype that the foreign-born, especially undocumented immigrants, are responsible for higher crime rates. This misconception has deep roots in American public opinion and popular myth. This myth, however, is not supported empirically and has repeatedly been refuted by scientific studies. Both contemporary and historical data, (including U.S. governmental studies) have shown that immigration is associated with lower crime rates.

The studies have uniformly shown that recent immigrants (including the undocumented) are less likely to be involved in violent crime, and that when there is an increase in immigration patterns, violent crime decreases. This has been shown to be true in large cities with heavy immigrant populations.

In the most recent of these studies, The Myth of Immigrant Criminality and the Paradox of Assimilation (2007), from the Immigrant Policy Institute, it was found that among men age 18 to 39 (who are the vast majority of inmates in federal and state prisons and local jails), immigrants were five times less likely to be incarcerated than the native-born in 2000.

During the Proposition 187 debate, then-Gov. Pete Wilson published statistics that stated that
12 percent to 15 percent of the state prison population had Immigration and Citizenship Services holds or potential holds. The Department of Corrections analyst who compiled these numbers said Immigration and Citizenship Services holds are placed on inmates who were born outside of the U.S. (therefore 12 percent to 15 percent of the prison population was immigrants). The immigrant population at the time in California hovered at about 25 percent, showing immigrants were much less likely to be incarcerated than the native born in California.

In short, the data shows you are much safer if your neighbor is an immigrant.

Franceschi owes Suarez an apology. I am also surprised that the Tracy Press allowed a commentary to run without checking the facts. Although commentaries are designed to allow for the expression of differing opinions, the First Amendment is not as generous with misstatements of facts — especially when the facts can be libelous.

For the immigration debate to be a healthy one, we should strive for a debate based on facts, not myth or tired stereotypes. We should also not let our position on this topic strip us of one of the great qualities we possess as people — the ability to be compassionate.

Arturo E. Ocampo of Tracy has been a practicing attorney since 1985, with an expertise in immigration rights and class action lawsuits on behalf of immigrants, including the way the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 was implemented, Border Patrol’s raids and Proposition 187. He is director of diversity and equal employment opportunity for the San Jose/Evergreen Community College District.

Comment posted October 3, 2010 @ 1:57 pm

The Undocumented Immigrants pay the exact same amount of taxes like you and me when they buy Things, rent a house, fill up gas, drink a beer or wine, buy appliances, play the states lottery and mega millions . Below are the links to just a few sites that will show you exactly how much tax you or the Undocumented Immigrant pays , so you see they are NOT FREELOADERS, THEY PAY TAXES AND TOLLS Exactly the same as you, Now if you take out 10% from your states /city Budget what will your city/state look like financially ?

Stop your folly thinking , you are wise USE YOUR WISDOM to see the reality. They pay more taxes than you think, Including FEDERAL INCOME TAX using a ITN Number that is given to them by the IRS, Social Security Taxes and State taxes that are withheld form their paychecks automatically.

Taxes, paid by You & the Undocumented are the same in each state check your state :

GAS Taxes paid by you & the Undocumented are the same. Go to and check out your states tax;

Cigarette Taxes paid by you & the Undocumented are the same, check this out in :

Clothing Sales Taxes, are the same paid by you & the Undocumented Immigrant;

City Taxes, are the same paid by you or the Undocumented, since he pays rent and the LANDLORD pays the city :

Beer Taxes, are the same paid by you or the Undocumented:


Comment posted October 4, 2010 @ 5:46 am

It doesn't matter how much illegal aliens contribute; they are illegally present and the remedy for this is deportation back to their home country. It makes no sense to allow more than 11 million people to stay here when there are many millions more wanting to immigration, waiting abroad. It also makes no sense to want to accept this many people into our society who carry a basic disrespect for the rule of law. And thirdly, we have laws currently on the books that, if enforced, would prevent most illegal immigration. We were promised during the one-time legalization program of 1986 that the accompanying enforcement would end illegal immigration. It didn't because those laws were never fully enforced. When the government decides to enforce the laws of 1986 and the illegal population has declined to 25% of its current level, then we'll know the government is serious about enforcement. As a first step towards this evidence, E-Verify needs to be used to check every single US job.

Comment posted October 4, 2010 @ 9:41 pm

Christian thing to do until an illegal kills a relative of yours, and one of your close friends… still think the same way, Mikey?

Comment posted October 4, 2010 @ 9:44 pm

YOU can pay for the whole thing… and YOU can wait in line in the ER with illegals ahead of you. And an illegal can use YOUR SSN and drivers license. And illegal kids can crowd YOUR kids' classrooms… You go, Amy!

Comment posted October 9, 2010 @ 8:15 am

Here is the question no Immigration Activist ever answers with regard to illegal immigration…so here it goes again.

First part:

Why do those that propose amnisty for illegals avoid the issue and state “illegal does not mean criminal”? Actually, Yes it does! The term Illegal references the “Criminal Activity” they have engadged in by breaching our borders and National Soverenty in an unlawful way. The excuse that Activists use to justify this is “That They Don't Have Opportunities and Prosperity and seek a Better Life for Their Families” Great!!! They enter not following lawful entry practices and have become criminals! So this is the Big Issue no one speaks of:

Here is the question they will never answer.

Why do proponants for illegals believe that We As American Citizens Owe These Non Citizen law breakers anything at all? Just because their countries of origin are disfunctional & do not provide for their own people prosperity nor opportunity must the United States become responsible for such an entitlement at a cost to our citizens & country? WHY? Just because they are struggling these people feel they are entitled? Poverity entitles you? That opens it to most people inhabiting 3rd world countries…are we going to take care of everyone?

If those that are concerned are so worried about their well being why don't they just sell all their assets and send those funds to support them at home…or is poverity an excuse? What about the persons extended family are they eligible also? Proponents state…”You can't break up families…that's cruel”

So is it our Problem as a Nation to support all these individuals because they feel we owe them…We developed a prosperous society here and they want what they want. Like Niki Diaz selfishly feeling justified to forge documents (like a drivers licence), steal a social security number and some innocents identity (possibly messing up that persons life and credit scores and future with no regard for that persons prosperity and happiness ) and then commit federal perjury on the I-9 tax forms. Fines?…No Way!…JAIL! Then Deportation w no reentry ever!

Let's see how

Comment posted October 9, 2010 @ 4:59 pm

SEE, NO RESPONCE!!! WHY? Because We OWE THESE PEOPLE NOTHING!!!! Nothing at all!!!! They are Not Entitled!!! Their unlawful acts are not Nobel!!!! They are just Criminals That feel Entitled and so will do what they like to achieve their own ends at our expense!!! With disregard for whom they impact by such unlawful selfish behaviors (such as identity theft) So they are personally prosperous. Can't wiat to see what happens to Niki…and they should find the person who's identity she stole and lets see how thay has impacted that innocent person…and show the true Personal cost & circumstances of the ILLEGAL INVASION

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Comment posted October 9, 2010 @ 8:34 pm


Reply to this: Why is it that you ( & all Illegal Amnesty Activists) feel we As Americans OWE these non citizens Anything? Why?

Because they seek it…break our laws, steal indenties selfishly to work (not addressing the harm to the innocent citizens identity they've taken) How about their prosperity and happiness?

Comment posted October 13, 2010 @ 4:22 am

Illegal People are still people and illegal kids are still kids. And as for your statement earlier:
“Christian thing to do until an illegal kills a relative of yours, and one of your close friends…”
Illegal immigrants are not here to murder anyone and to assume that they all are is just plain ignorant.

I'm so ashamed of these kinds of statements. These are people seeking a better life however they can. Are they going about it the right way? No, probably not. But to speak of them as though they are inferior to you is not right… They're people too.

Comment posted October 17, 2010 @ 3:36 pm

You believe that citing the Constitution is proof of 'Illegal Amnesty' activism, and the definition of immigration and invasion are identical.

I've repeatedly tried to answer your post with logical, point-by-point arguments; I have deleted each. I confess to failure. I do not believe it is possible to have a dialog where words have no meaning, where logic and the absurd are considered equal.

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Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 3:24 pm

It is unbelievable where the Moral, Ethics, Dignity stand of The American people the political blood sport must have an end with the bigot of Brewer or the Reps. Spiced with lies to take advantage of every undocumented. With Black hair and Braun skin color. Who sue her, for using in Arizona the money from undocumented Immigrants of 28.9 Billion ???
The two face of the law of first
the United States without legal status is a civil violation, not a crime. But take everything from undocumented. Now throw them out and take the last the rest what there was working for. Steel from the poor who try to build a new life is that the American face to the world? It looks bad from any tourists view
For every detainee the incarceration payment is $90.00 the little what they have is taken away and now the report of sexual abuse on immigrants the gov problem between 12 – 18 years to clear the immigrant status it is despicable
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By Elise Foley 10/7/10 4:08 PM
Roughly $9.2 billion, according to figures from a March report on the per-immigrant cost of each step of the removal process. The numbers are estimates, of course, but it is still useful to illustrate the high costs behind the record number of deportations the DHS announced yesterday.
There are a number of costs involved in the removal process. First, illegal immigrants must be apprehended, which requires local law enforcement, Border Patrol and a number of Immigration and Customs Enforcement programs and offices. Next, they must be detained, and then processed through the legal system. Finally, illegal immigrants must be transported back to their native countries. Here are the per-person costs listed in the Center for American Progress report released in March:
Apprehension: $18,310
Detention: $3,355
Legal processing: $817
Transportation: $1,000
In total, that’s $23,480 for each of the 392,000 people the U.S. removed last year, or $9,204,944,000.
Of course, many of those deported were convicted criminals, meaning they would have had imposed high costs had they remained in the country. While numbers vary from state to state, on average it costs at least $60 per day (or $1,800 per month) to incarcerate prisoners.

Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 3:27 pm

New data released this week by the U.S. Census Bureau highlights the rapidly growing
economic power of Latino-owned businesses in the United States. According to the
Bureau’s 2007 Survey of Business Owners, there were 2.3 million Latino-owned
businesses in the country as of 2007, which generated $345.2 billion in sales and
employed 1.9 million people. Moreover, the number of Latino-owned businesses grew
by 43.7 percent between 2002 and 2007, which was more than twice the national average.
In other words, the Latino community tends to be highly entrepreneurial, and the
businesses which Latinos create sustain large numbers of jobs.

While Latino-owned businesses accounted for 8.3 percent of all nonfarm businesses
in the United States as a whole in 2007, they comprised a much higher share of
businesses in many states and cities. For instance:
Latino-owned businesses were 23.6 percent of all businesses in New Mexico, 22.4
percent in Florida, 20.7 percent in Texas, 16.5 percent in California, and 10.7
percent in Arizona as of 2007.
Latino-owned businesses were 59.8 percent of all businesses in El Paso (Texas),
39.4 percent in San Antonio (Texas), 23.3 percent in Houston (Texas), 23.1 percent
in Albuquerque (New Mexico), and 21.0 percent in Los Angeles (California) as of 2007.
Given that the majority of Latinos are immigrants or the children of immigrants,
their entrepreneurial contributions to the U.S. economy should be an integral part
of the debate over the economics of immigration. Yet the role that Latino-owned
businesses play in growing the economy and creating jobs is often overlooked. As the
new census data illustrates, however, the entrepreneurship of the Latino community is
a powerful economic force which can not be ignored. Even though the recent recession
has undoubtedly hit the Latino business community hard, the fact remains that, without
Latino businesses, the United States would have a smaller economy and fewer jobs.
This is a basic economic truth which many nativist groups seem unable to grasp.

Comment posted November 23, 2010 @ 1:09 am

There is no response because you think fact an fiction are identical.

1) Illegal immigrants are breaking a civil, not criminal code. By definition, they are not criminal. No standing, no issue.

2) I have never heard the US owes anyone anything, but I defer to your greater wisdom and ability to make stuff up.

3) “We developed a prosperous society here.” You do understand that the ‘we’ that prospered were immigrants?

4) Obviously people that steal should be prosecuted, but that was your only point that wasn’t clearly foolish.

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