The Real Impact of Food Stamp Cuts

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Tuesday, September 28, 2010 at 1:58 pm

Congress is poised to cut food stamps again, taking more away from an extended benefit created by the 2009 stimulus, before its original expiry date, and setting up an unprecedented “cliff” in food stamps, now known as Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, or SNAP, benefits. To demonstrate how hurtful this might prove, anti-hunger advocate Joel Berg recently spent a week eating according to the SNAP budget.

“I had done it in 2007, as well,” he said. “This time, it was much harder, because the price of food has increased more than the benefit has increased. Last time, for instance, I ate an apple a day, along with other food. This time, I couldn’t afford a single piece of fruit.”

Berg is the executive director of the New York City Coalition Against Hunger, which represents New York’s 1,200 nonprofit soup kitchens and food pantries and its 1.4 million residents that cannot afford enough food. (A more extended version of our conversation is below.) He and other hunger advocates are incensed over the SNAP cuts, which will pay for a sweeping child-nutrition bill. The First Lady–supported legislation is pending in the House, and has passed the Senate. In essence, Congress is planning to rob a very poor Peter to pay a very poor Paul.

The cliff in food stamps means that one month, a family will receive a set amount of money, about $4.50 per person per day. The next month, they will get less. In his week eating according to the SNAP budget, Berg shopped for the first three days as if he received full benefits. For the second two, he shopped as if he received cut benefits. The result? Less food, or less healthy food.

He took photographs to demonstrate. Here’s what he could buy for a week with current benefits:

Here’s what he could buy with the cut benefits:

That means he does not get this food, under an Obama-supported plan:

Berg and I spoke briefly about this change. I lightly edited the transcript for clarity, and trimmed it down for length.

TWI: What is the real impact of this cut?

Berg: The change cuts future benefits and also restricts people from entering, or qualifying for, the program. This is the first time in the history of the program that recipients of the benefit will actually get less.

Some progressives are making a claim that this is not actually a cut, that this is somehow just a return to the baseline benefit. But that claim is really preposterous and offensive. The Center for Science in the Public interest, they’re progressive, but they have put that idea forward. If they had a cost of living increase and wage increases over five years, but then we returned them to the salary that they had five years ago, my guess is that they would see that as a cut, rather than a return to the baseline.

People in America have been socialized into expecting some sort of Frank Capra-esque happy ending all the time — somehow, magically, in the end, this will all work out. I’m sorry, but for low-income people, that is not what happens. This means people are going to suffer more. Low-income people are already in trouble due to the recession. They are suffering mightily to make sure that there is food on the table for their kids. And now, they’re going to have less of it.

As for the claim that we’ll fix it later, and we should pass the child-nutrition bill now: whether or not the House or Senate ends up changing parties at the midterm elections, we are going to have a more-conservative House and Senate. And it is also clear that the deficit is going to be bigger next year than it is this year. So people really expect that even though Congress can’t find the money now, they’re going to find it down the road — with a less-progressive Congress and a wider deficit? They’re magically going to be able to come up with funds for this later? They won’t.

TWI: How different was living on the cut benefit than the full benefit?

Berg: Well, I spent a week on food stamps — I had done it in 2007 as well. This time, it was much harder, because the price of food has increased more than the benefit has increased. Last time, for instance, I ate an apple a day, along with other food. This time, I couldn’t afford a single piece of fruit. On top of that, there was the increase from the beginning of the week to the end of the week.

People forget that the president pledged to end hunger by 2015 — they remember that he pledged to make kids healthier, but not that he also pledged to end hunger. The administration doesn’t seem to understand, or care, that this is going to increase obesity. If people on the program were buying apples a few years ago, and they can’t afford them now — we know that when the benefits are less generous, that means people aren’t buying as healthy foods.

TWI: And what will the impact be for kids?

Berg: This cut is taking something away from every other meal for children in low-income families, to help get them a better lunch. Someone in the White House last week, I saw, claimed that the child-nutrition bill will dramatically reduce child obesity.

That’s ridiculous. They are cutting the budget from kids at home to pay for kids in school. If kids eat in school every day, in a year, that’s still only 16 percent of their meals, because there are weekends, there are holidays, there are nights, there is summer. There is no way that marginally improving 16 percent of your meals is going to dramatically change your diet — especially not if you are taking away from the rest.

People want to claim victory. They want to make exaggerated claims that the child-nutrition bill will help. The most heartbreaking thing about it, for advocates, is that this is supposed to be our great champion bill that was going to solve everything! We thought it would dramatically decrease child hunger. But, the fact is, you have hunger advocates lobbying against its passage. Our emotions are ranging from outraged to heartbroken. I’m really just gobsmacked that this happened.

TWI: Did the stimulus bump help?

Berg: We did a study — we do it every year — examining the number of people going to pantries and soup kitchens in New York City, and then asking whether those groups have the resources to meet demand. In 2008, two-thirds of the soup kitchens did not — they had to reduce portion sizes, or turn people away. But in 2009, that fell to 50 percent.

Some of that was increased direct funding for pantries and kitchens. But a lot of it was the food stamp boost — it kept people from having to use food banks.

And we know that we aren’t only feeding people. We come at this from a moral position, a nutritional position, and an economic recovery position. This cut is so insane from an economic position as well — we know food stamps are the most effect form of stimulus. The jury is still out on parts of the stimulus — but the jury isn’t out on food stamps. It was a 1,000 percent, beyond home run grand slam success, if you’ll excuse me mixing metaphors.

The money went to people who needed it, rapidly, and without a lot of bureaucracy. Actually, SNAP used to have something like a 15 percent administrative overhead drag. Since the stimulus bill increased benefits and boosted the number of people getting them, administrative costs are down to 7 percent. For all the conservative ranting — vouchers, vouchers, vouchers — food stamps are a voucher program! You’re not being sent to a government-run food center. You’re getting a voucher to use in the private market. It is good for businesses too.

TWI: Are you preparing to explain the cuts to SNAP recipients? Are we going to have to prep them, so they know their budget is getting tighter?

Berg: I won’t know what there is to say. I’m rarely at a loss for words. But what do I say to these people? You were screwed? You were shafted? Your children have less food? I couldn’t look in some one’s eyes and tell them that, and I don’t know how a senator could either. What do you say? Your kid’s need for food was temporary?

TWI: What aren’t we in the press focusing on?

Berg: Everyone is focusing on the child-nutrition and obesity pledge. But Obama made a hunger pledge too.

With Matt Lauer yesterday, Obama was asked about poverty, and he basically gave an answer that George W. Bush would have given. He said that increasing economic growth will help poverty. It will. I agree that job creation is the most important thing. But when the unemployment rate was a lot lower, there were still millions of Americans who needed these benefits.

I’ve been pulling my punches, and my progressive colleagues have been pulling their punches, because we’re rooting for this administration to succeed. But honestly, if George W. Bush did what they’re trying to do, we’d be camping out in front of the White House. Goodwill only goes so far when tens of thousands of children need food.

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David
Comment posted September 28, 2010 @ 10:47 pm

Here in Austin, Texas, I see people (including illegal immigrants) using food stamp cards to buy bottled water, snacks, and soda pop. I would hardly describe such a program as a “1,000 percent…grand slam success.” Evidently, the author is one of the 52 or so percent of Americans who don't pay taxes


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jharp
Comment posted September 28, 2010 @ 11:32 pm

David,

You are an idiot. Because you see people using food stamps to buy bottled water, snacks, and soda pop means nothing.

How do you know it wasn't for a birthday party for a child? Or snackls to work in the fields? Or do children of food stamp recipients not deserve a birthday party? Or field workers aren't entitled to snacks, soda, and bottled water.

Go fuck yourself. Asshole.

And you have no idea whether they were undocumented or not, now do you?

God you people are stupid.


StanW
Comment posted September 28, 2010 @ 11:37 pm

So you use that pathetic line other places too, Harp. Well, no one has every accused you of being smart OR original.

And food stamp receipiants do not need to be buying junk with MY money!


Alice
Comment posted September 28, 2010 @ 11:45 pm

Move along troll, I'm sure you have other places to to see, other people to judge.


BDW
Comment posted September 28, 2010 @ 11:57 pm

jharp,

First off, thanks for the very civil comments, my friend. It is really constructive.

Secondly, people are NOT “entitled” to snacks, soda, and bottled water. It is really absurd to claim that they are. I don't mind that people want somthing for nothing…that is fine. In fact it is natural to want things for the least amount of work. But when people feel “entitled” to recieve something for nothing, it is a big problem.

Important question to ask ourselves. When we see problems like hunger, why do we rely on the government to solve it? Wouldn't it be better for people to voluntarily help with these things? Shouldn't we be holding our non-profits, charities, and neighbors responsible for this?? Instead of complaining that our government doesn't provide enough for us, why don't we get off our butts and do something about it. Encourage your friends to give. Encourage your neighbors to give. Encourage EVERYONE to give. But don't have the government steal from one to give to another. Do everything in your power to solve the problem of hunger, but don't advocate government sanctioned theft to accomplish your goals.


StanW
Comment posted September 28, 2010 @ 11:58 pm

I have seen them, Alice. People buying food with food stamps that I can't asfford to buy. If you want to subsidize their bad habits, go right ahead. But stop taking my money at the point of a gun to do it with!


jharp
Comment posted September 29, 2010 @ 12:06 am

“And food stamp receipiants do not need to be buying junk with MY money!”

What they hell are you talking about? They are buying food you dumbass.


jharp
Comment posted September 29, 2010 @ 12:11 am

.”People buying food with food stamps that I can't asfford to buy”

And you're worried about raising the taxes of folks who make over $250 by 3% whilst you can't afford food that poor people buy?

God you're stupid.


Alice
Comment posted September 29, 2010 @ 12:11 am

Whoops, I was wrong about you being a troll! You're the real deal. Imma walk away slowly.


jharp
Comment posted September 29, 2010 @ 12:16 am

“First off, thanks for the very civil comments, my friend. It is really constructive.”

You are welcome.

“Secondly, people are NOT “entitled” to snacks, soda, and bottled water.”

Yes, they are. If that is what they choose buy.

Are you are a fucking idiot to not realize that.

No one. Not a soul is keeping you from solving the hunger problem through charity nor have they kept you from doing so.

Now why is it that children are still going hungry then, jackass?


StanW
Comment posted September 29, 2010 @ 12:22 am

You shoudl read the posts before just slobbering all over them Harp.

You are as juvenile here as you are on the other board!


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Thumb
Comment posted September 29, 2010 @ 1:25 am

When we see problems like hunger, why do we rely on the government to solve it? Wouldn't it be better for people to voluntarily help with these things?

When historical illiteracy rears its ugly head….


Thumb
Comment posted September 29, 2010 @ 1:29 am

People buying food with food stamps that I can't asfford to buy.

Well maybe if you didn't waste your money on a computer and internet access (I'd include rent too, but your grasp of the real world sounds like someone still lives in mom's basement) you could afford the luxuries that $4 a day provides.


Thumb
Comment posted September 29, 2010 @ 1:30 am

And you're worried about raising the taxes of folks who make over $250 by 3%

He's waiting for the day Mom's house will be his.


MidcoastMainer
Comment posted September 29, 2010 @ 1:37 am

Government has a function, and it should not be primarily to kill foreign brown people. There is plenty of money in government to fight hunger and it is a disgrace that the money goes to perpetuating war crimes instead. BDW, why don't you donate your SS fund to help hunger.

As for people buying snacks, I agree that there should be limits on what people should be able to buy. But you can be damn sure that the corporations like Coca-Cola and Nestle would fight that, and win. I had to live on food stamps in 2008 when I was unemployed for 5 months due to state budget cuts of a program I worked in. I deeply resent my tax dollars going to support tax cuts for the richest and the war machine. The anti-abortion crowd doesn't want their money going to “killing babies”; well, much more of their taxes go to killing babies in foreign countries, but they are Muslim, so I guess that is OK with the right wingers.

I wish I wasn't too old to emigrate–I'd leave this pathetic, ignorant and brutal country in two seconds.


Salvador dalai llama
Comment posted September 29, 2010 @ 1:56 am

Since we've experienced a civility fail, allow me to attempt:

David, given your position, we've got two possibilities:

1) issue government money with government limits on what may be purchased with it (well, there are already some limits–alcohol, cigarettes). Are you the kind of person who's okay with the government telling people what they can and can't buy?

2) stop providing government assistance altogether (as BDW seems to want). Do you honestly think that private charity will step up and fill that gap?


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guest
Comment posted September 29, 2010 @ 3:54 am

first off that card comes with cash and food stamps on it. so how do you know they're not spending the cash on the card? you don't. secondly I don't care what they spend their money on as long as they are not starving in the streets. what kind of country are we? sounds like you spend way too much time what other people are doing. you complain about someone buying something with food stamps that you don't approve of and we're to expect that you are by nature a generous person? yeah, encourage everyone else to give while you can sit back and make judgements about why you can't give. that's why we have welfare in the first place, because of idiots like you.
the government is not stealing. why do we begrudge poor people bottled water and snacks yet close our eyes to big money looting our government? my taxes went for wars i didn't support, but if i mention that i hate america


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Comment posted September 29, 2010 @ 8:24 am

$4.50 per day per person comes out to $135 per month. That's…nothing. I'm currently living on $200 per month, and I admit that I'm hungry some nights when I go to bed. But I'm a single adult, well-educated about nutrition and healthy eating, and I'm in school working toward a higher degree – so it's a easier for me to deal with a low budget and a little hunger. I can't imagine trying to feed a child on this. I don't want to imagine telling my child they can't eat. And I can't imagine reducing my budget by $75. I would be hungry a lot more nights than I am now.


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Comment posted September 29, 2010 @ 12:26 pm

For the record David, I do pay taxes — abd do so proudy, as part of my patriotic duty


David
Comment posted September 29, 2010 @ 12:39 pm

I must have missed the part where President Obama was ready to sign this food stamp reduction into law. Looking at the article being referred to in the first paragraph, this is what I do see:

“…the House and Senate are at a standoff on the legislation, and there are reports of internal White House dissent as well. Why? To pay for the bill, Senate Democrats cut from the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, or food stamps, already cut to help pay for the state aid bill. Congress made SNAP benefits more generous in the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, the $787 billion Feb. 2009 stimulus. To pay for the Healthy, Hunger-Free Kids Act, the bill cuts those additional benefits.”

Nowhere in that article does it mention which Senate Democrats, whether it's all of them or just certain ones like Ben Nelson or Mary Landrieu or CFL Sen. Joe Lieberman. More importantly, it does state that the White House is opposed.

I strongly suggest you get your facts right before blaming the President for a whole bunch of stuff he didn't do.


grendelkhan
Comment posted September 29, 2010 @ 1:40 pm

“52 percent of Americans who don't pay taxes”? This only makes sense if you exclude everything but federal income taxes. As David Leonhardt has pointed out, ninety percent of American households have a net positive federal tax liability when you include payroll taxes (Social Security and Medicare), self-employment taxes, and various and sundry other things that aren't predominantly paid by rich people and so don't apparently *count* for people like you.

Your thundering ignorance of the nature and structure of the American tax system does you no credit. Perhaps you should do a little more understanding and a little less inveighing.


alowrey
Comment posted September 29, 2010 @ 3:45 pm

Hi David, The White House has actually recommended food stamps as a place where Congress can cut…and Obama has said he supports this bill, even with the food stamp cuts in place.


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Comment posted September 30, 2010 @ 5:54 am

Most states have current SNAP levels of about $200 (max) for a single person. (e.g., Illinois) I know that's a lot more money than I have for food! In fact, if this were cut even by 25%, it would still be more than I spend! I'm finding it hard to dredge up a lot of sympathy here.


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Single parent, family of 4, unemployed. We receive $62/month in SNAP benefits. I often skip meals to leave more for the kids. We eat way too much pasta. Fresh fruits and vegies are a virtual pipe dream. I don't like needing this benefit but right now I need to do what I can to bring food into the house. Our average monthly food budget is just over $200. We starting a garden to help. Also, they have complained every year that the school lunch does not fill them up. They request snacks to have during the day.


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Comment posted September 30, 2010 @ 8:50 pm

Those are some expensive food items
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Comment posted September 30, 2010 @ 9:52 pm

Eggland eggs? those are the eggs I buy. When I was poor, I would go for the stuff on sale – you can get 2-3 cheaper cartons for one of those. Try the 99 cent store.


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They have already cut the benifits. Our were cut in half. Both my husband and I work full time, I work two jobs and he would as well if he could find another, we do not make enough to cover our bills and now we can not afford to feed our family either.


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Of course there is always the alternative, rather than starve simply mug an ass hat like you and if you get shot tough, dog eat dog after all.
Chief function of social welfare net is to reduce crime, when people have got nothing to lose, then crime becomes a easy choice and catching them after a crime is committed is no win either as prison is far more costly than an effective social welfare net (with out the tens of thousands victims of crime)..
Wallow in violent crime, live in your private prison restricted community afraid to leave and walk the streets, scream and froth at mouth at outsiders whilst burning on the inside with guilt for your selfishness and hate.


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Amen those things are expensive…. I had a $1 off coupon and still got the store brand for half the price… Although I do thing overall this story is very interesting. If people don’t eat how can they do anything else?


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What Obama needs to do is to cut back on his family spending our hard earned tax dollars to take unneeded trips/vacations with his his family and to cut back on his wife spending money. They need to think of the people of The United States of America instead of themselfs going on trips all over the world .Their are people in this county that are haveing a hard time makeing ends met and putting food on their table for their children .So they dont have to beg borrow and steal just to have something to eat or to help pay bills ‘
We the people poor of the United States are the ones that have to suffer .While they are sitting in the White House(democrates and republicans) and eatting high on the hog and spending money that they could be helping the poor to poorer people out here in the United States.
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That is rude! I also know you cannot be serious! What about the children who have no choice? Do you not care about them? How could you act like this is okay for the rich people to make the poor people poorer! It is not our fault what goofy mistakes. 


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That is rude! I also know you cannot be serious! What about the children who have no choice? Do you not care about them? How could you act like this is okay for the rich people to make the poor people poorer! It is not our fault what goofy mistakes. 


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I really agree with that! It seems though that they do not care! After all why should they, They have lots of money so they wont be hungry!  Sure exactly they have a whole lot of money but what do they do steal and take from the poor to pay back the rich man’s mistakes!!!!


TLTEA
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I really agree with that! It seems though that they do not care! After all why should they, They have lots of money so they wont be hungry!  Sure exactly they have a whole lot of money but what do they do steal and take from the poor to pay back the rich man’s mistakes!!!!


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Ok so if they are concerned about what people buys with the foodstamps then how about they sort it out kind of like they di with wic. They have wic in different food groups and categories so maybe if they tried that then it would help the obese people/overweight people and then at the same time still keep children fed! They do not need to cut the food and they need to stop giving it to illegal immigrants. All they have to do is require proper identifications!


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That is what I am talking about!!!  /so why don’t the idiots like that be the ones to share!!!


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First off sStanW you are an idiot and so are the rest of you greedy fuck offs who do not care about children and why don’t children deserves some snacks! They do not understand whats going on it is not there faults! Also StanW, it is not just your money fuck face, its everyone who pays taxes and don’t blame it on the people, Blame it on the government becuz they are the ones who issues it out in away that people can buy whatever they want too! The government is the one who takes the tax payers hard earned money to do  Dumb shit with it so start paying attention who is in control of whats going on SON!!!


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