High Stakes for DREAM Act and DADT Repeal in Today’s Vote

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Tuesday, September 21, 2010 at 8:23 am

The Senate will make a procedural vote today on the defense authorization bill, but how the vote goes will likely have major implications for the DREAM Act and the future of Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell. If Republicans are successful in filibustering the bill from moving to the floor, the efforts might be dead.

Whether Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid has the votes to proceed is still unknown — Reid is “hopeful,” his spokesman told TWI in an email — but he plans to proceed with the bill this week anyway.

The defense authorization bill has been passed for the past 48 consecutive years and is expected to pass if Democrats can break a filibuster by Republicans and get it to the floor. But that’s a big “if.” While Maine Republican Sens. Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins are reportedly on the fence, other Republicans are expected to vote against bringing the bill to the floor.

Reid’s plans to add the DREAM Act and a repeal of Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell to the bill upped the stakes for the bill, but they also have brought significant opposition from Republicans. Some argue the plans are bad policy, because the military has not yet completed its study on how a repeal of Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell would impact troop readiness. Others, though, oppose the measures because they argue Reid is simply playing politics with the defense bill.

If Reid gets the votes, the Senate will likely have to put the bill aside during its pre-election recess and take it up again after November.

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Chaart
Comment posted September 21, 2010 @ 12:42 pm

Illegals are destroying this country through identity theft, tax evasion and abuse of our health care and welfare systems. Los Angeles County alone mailed out $52 million in welfare checks to illegal aliens for the month of July. States going broke trying to support these freeloaders are being sued for trying to enforce our immigration laws. Many foreigners are building new homes with the cash they fleece from U.S. taxpayers. I also know law-abiding immigrants who are NOT a burden to our country and I have nothing but love and respect for them. Please call your senators and plead with them to stop this DREAM Act amnesty which would be a nightmare for our children as millions more criminals flood our country.


Tanialolalways
Comment posted September 21, 2010 @ 12:44 pm

I wish i knew how to change this people's minds. The Dream act is only beneficial to everyone. We are willing to go to college and pay for it at our expense, in order to do so we have to get a driver's license and be able to work for our money. I know many think we are taking your jobs but America has several open positions some people just dont look hard enough. Or how do you explain me having 5 open job opportunities, i could only take one. The jobs are out there. I have been waiting for the Dream act for so long because America has become my home, and I am no criminal!


Chaart
Comment posted September 21, 2010 @ 12:55 pm

Law-abiding immigrants have been an asset to our country, but people who don't abide by our immigration laws and their children are bringing this country down. The fact is, state governments and hospitals burdened with large illegal populations are going broke.


Ffff
Comment posted September 21, 2010 @ 1:20 pm

you are breakig us la plain and simple, mexico does not give amnesty to other latin american illegals who sneak into its country, why should we


Jsmith
Comment posted September 21, 2010 @ 1:21 pm

What is the problem of letting children go to college? Are Americans afraid that foreigners will surpass them? First: Everybody knows that there are many jobs that Americans don’t want to do. Second: Payday for unemployment benefits and welfare means increase in sales in alcohol, cigarretes, and drugs. Put to work your own people and maybe there will not be need for foreigners…


jimmy
Comment posted September 21, 2010 @ 1:23 pm

america is a country of immigrants, we are the backbone of this great country. many people come to this here illegally searching for the american dream with hopes for a bright future. pass the dream act let us pay our fair share of taxes


JohnnyRotton
Comment posted September 21, 2010 @ 1:30 pm

You have this guy pegged he would rather sell out Americans for his ideology. We need a real president who will seal the border and tell Mexico that they need to fix their country we are not an employment agency or a provider of social services for their people they must learn to take care of themselves and STOP BLAMING US for their failures.


KyleThomas
Comment posted September 21, 2010 @ 1:31 pm

This our country and we need to take care of ourselves. Just the same let Reid do as he pleases so that in the final analysis America can see that the Progressives are our enemy and mean us harm. Then let the games begin with not forgiveness but retribution and retaliation dispensed with a viscousness against Progressives so their is no doubt about the hate we have for them and what they have done to sell us out. Times like these demand harsh measures.


jason
Comment posted September 21, 2010 @ 1:34 pm

They are not “burdened”. Studies show its actually a very small population FYI.
PS. these students arent going anywhere. ICE refuses to deport them..why not legalize them and get taxes out of them?
Wisdom isnt a bad thing ;)


jason
Comment posted September 21, 2010 @ 1:35 pm

No one is blaming anyone, get over yourself. Grow your own garden and stop smoking pot if you want illegals out. Its that simple.


jason
Comment posted September 21, 2010 @ 1:36 pm

Illegal immigration is not a new problem, native americans called it white people :)…get a life…take a mexicans job if you care so much


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Lucy
Comment posted September 21, 2010 @ 2:30 pm

Jason: You are my hero!!! =) People need to get throught their little brains that we aren't going anywhere anyways. It is impossible to think that all DREAMers will be deported.. ICE can't afford it. So… might as well support us, help us get higher education, and let us contribute to society even more.


Lucy
Comment posted September 21, 2010 @ 2:36 pm

I think people like you, who can't even spell correctly, or have correct grammar, are just afraid of us surpassing “Legal US Citizens”. Too bad a Social Security card doesn't always come with a brain. =)


Dan
Comment posted September 21, 2010 @ 2:39 pm

If a person wish to serve in the US Military (especially at a time of such a great need for new recruits) I don't think we need to care whether they are Gay or Straight, so its OK to include a vote on this issue; However with DREAM Act I have a big problem since it promotes age based Discrimination because its only open to those who arrived in the US prior to age 16 so long as they are currently under the age of 35. What if someone was brought to the US as a 2 month old baby and is now 36 years old and already has a College degree free of federal financial aid – which DREAM Act, if passed, will provide prospect students??? Why should a kid who came to the US at the age of 15 and is now 25 will be able to use DREAM Act as a toll to enroll in College and get a direct passage to Green Card while the almost American adult will continue to suffer restrictions that cripple his life and bring misery to his American family? This makes no sense to me. Likewise, if a person came here at the age of Seventeen and is now 28 with a College degree they will not qualify to adjust their illegal immigration status even if their Parents are United States Citizens (although very rare, but based on our immigration laws and especially the illegal immigration act of 1996, even this bizarre example is possible) so instead of blindly rushing DREAM Act to the floor, one needs to re-evaluate and change the bill before it comes to a vote.


The Jimmy Z Show
Comment posted September 21, 2010 @ 2:44 pm

Homosexuals can serve NOW. We don't need a military with out homosexuals. Wake up.


Woogie34
Comment posted September 21, 2010 @ 2:53 pm

The military supports the DREAM ACT and as a Marine that's good enough for me. I'd rather have someone who is willing to serve and die for a chance to become a citizen than these right wing conservative teabaggers sipping their lattes safe at home who would never have the balls to fight with me and my boys overseas. Semper Fi. YES TO DREAM ACT.


Eg0550361
Comment posted September 21, 2010 @ 2:59 pm

there is a difference between LEGAL immigrants and ILLEGAL aliens. Stop trying to blur the distinction, we aren't stupid as we look.


Tanialolalways
Comment posted September 21, 2010 @ 3:07 pm

Nobody wants to go to mexico. Why do you think there is so many here. There is no need for mexico to legalize anyone if no one lives there illegally. Mexico could care less if you are legal or not.


Maxonepercent
Comment posted September 21, 2010 @ 3:21 pm

Actually you are completely wrong. The Dream act will only provide a massive loophole to millions of undeserving immigrants. Think about it, if this act passes a new industry of fly-by-night “immigration schools” will open up and starting selling “degrees” to anyone willing to pay the nominal fee so they can become legal citizens. The DREAM act will quickly become a nightmare as our country is submerged beneath the ever-populating hordes of migrants that will be ushered in by this foolish piece of legislation.


Maxonepercent
Comment posted September 21, 2010 @ 3:22 pm

What? Methinks you have smoked a bit too much pot yourself.


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Maxonepercent
Comment posted September 21, 2010 @ 3:25 pm

I think people like you, who would break into another person's home, steal their livelihoods away from them, and then complain endlessly about “prejudice” when they are punished for their trespasses are all lazy freeloaders and criminals who should be deported to their country of origin ASAP.


Jg Gr
Comment posted September 21, 2010 @ 3:27 pm

we have educated these children and we should be able to collect taxes on their work in our country. Also a large group of young men to serve in our military. Most know only the U.S. as their country. If clean record let them stay and help our gray old work force nation by bringing youth in.


gjj20
Comment posted September 21, 2010 @ 3:30 pm

i dont understand why everyone thinks immigrant are all mexicans. if they had idea about immigration they would know that there are a lot of eurpeans, asians and indians who are mostly smarter then americans and would love to go to college and benifit america.


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Maxonepercent
Comment posted September 21, 2010 @ 3:30 pm

I have no problem with the DREAM act being applied to veterans with honorable discharges, but handing anyone with a college degree citizenship is something that has far too much potential to become corrupt. As it is already there are thousands of colleges that hand out essentially worthless degrees in exchange for money. If this nightmare becomes reality I guarantee you we will see a massive new industry of fly-by-night “immigration colleges” that will hand out worthless degrees to immigrants so they can then claim citizenship. The DREAM act sounds good on paper but when you really think about it, it is easy to see that it will only provide a massive loophole to dishonest opportunists.


Maxonepercent
Comment posted September 21, 2010 @ 3:32 pm

What is the incentive? They are already getting taxes out of them now…and just because ICE isn't deporting them now doesn't mean they won't start deporting them in 2012 when the Republicans take back the White House.


Lustigwolf
Comment posted September 21, 2010 @ 3:48 pm

It easy to be against something that helps innocent people who are victims of their parents actions, who want to go to college or serve in the military during a time of war. Being against something does not provide for a solution. If you think we can deport everybody under the current law you are wrong. It takes about three years to deport someone who is in the system. We need to put are limited resources towards criminals not people who had no choice about how they came to America, shown good character and want to go to college or be in the military. Let’s be honest being against the Dream Act is politics that appeals to the racist element , it’s not good policy. Ask John Mc Caine who was a sponsor of the Dream Act before he was againts it.


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Maxonepercent
Comment posted September 21, 2010 @ 5:02 pm

Big difference, when white immigrants came here there were no welfare programs or free public education to take advantage of. Honestly, I would have no problem with illegal immigrants if they were not able to leach of the public tit like they do. Of course if they weren't allowed welfare or public assistance they probably wouldn't come in the first place.


Maxonepercent
Comment posted September 21, 2010 @ 5:04 pm

Many people come here legally too, why don't you try it some time. Giving a free pass to law breakers is only going to encourage more law breaking down the road, it is simple common sense, another thing you open-border types aren't familiar with.


Maxonepercent
Comment posted September 21, 2010 @ 5:11 pm

BS… read up a little on the terrible treatment central americans receive at the Mexican authorities hands. Just a few weeks ago some Mexican army death squad was identified at having killed a number of Guatemalan immigrants. Whenever I hear someone from Mexico criticizing our immigration enforcement it makes me laugh. Mexico is famous for MURDERING immigrants. GOOGLE IT!


Maxonepercent
Comment posted September 21, 2010 @ 5:13 pm

I would support the DREAM act if it only applied to military veterans. Unfortunately giving citizenship to anyone with a college degree is only going to open the flood gates for fraud. It is simply too easy to obtain a college degree anymore, in fact we already have a big problem in this country with fly-by-night “colleges” that hand out degrees to anyone with the money. Can you imagine how many of these places will pop up in the event this NIGHTMARE ACT becomes reality? Watch, suddenly there will be hundreds of new colleges, conveniently located right along the border with Mexico.


Maxonepercent
Comment posted September 21, 2010 @ 5:18 pm

WRONG. There is nothing “racist” about opposing a law that will lead to massive influx of immigrants, especially when American citizens are facing at least 10% unemployment and the lowest average wages since the Great Depression. It is not like this is the “land of opportunity” anymore. The only reason most people want to come here is to get public assistance, something that is not offered in their homelands. I sympathize with these poor people but we have our own problems in this country, at what point did it become the American citizenry's responsibility to provide welfare and free public educations to anyone who manages to get across the border? Especially when millions of impoverished americans are routinely denied the same public assistance?


Maxonepercent
Comment posted September 21, 2010 @ 5:19 pm

I would support the DREAM act if it only applied to military veterans. Unfortunately giving citizenship to anyone with a college degree is only going to open the flood gates for fraud. It is simply too easy to obtain a college degree anymore, in fact we already have a big problem in this country with fly-by-night “colleges” that hand out degrees to anyone with the money. Can you imagine how many of these places will pop up in the event this NIGHTMARE ACT becomes reality? Watch, suddenly there will be hundreds of new colleges, conveniently located right along the border with Mexico.


Maxonepercent
Comment posted September 21, 2010 @ 5:25 pm

If the DREAM act only applied to military veterans it would be perfectly acceptable to virtually everyone, the problem is that they attempt to piggyback a gigantic loophole that allows anyone with a college degree to become an instant citizen. The problem with this is that there are too many illegitimate colleges who will simply sell “immigration degrees” to anyone who wants to become an American Citizen. This will cause a immigration flood of massive proportions that will in turn cause more unemployment in the United States. Has it occurred to anyone here that 1 in 10 Americans is currently OUT OF WORK? Any law that brings in new workers is only going to exacerbate the situation. There is a time for idealism and there is a time for realism. Since we are facing the biggest economic crisis in decades now is the time for realism.


Maxonepercent
Comment posted September 21, 2010 @ 5:29 pm

And what “studies” might those be? Because I have seen plenty of other studies that would seem to indicate that illegal immigrants are indeed a large burden on our society. Once again, I think you need to lay off the Mexican Dirt-Weed my friend.


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RC010
Comment posted September 21, 2010 @ 6:57 pm

I think you are a dumb son a gun.. That keeps copying and pasting a lot of crap!.. I'm just saying

SUPPORT THE DREAM ACT!


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Comment posted September 21, 2010 @ 8:04 pm

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Monica
Comment posted September 21, 2010 @ 8:11 pm

You are an immigrant yourself! You need to get back on the Mayflower…


ValleyVixon
Comment posted September 21, 2010 @ 9:10 pm

You keep posting the same message on every site. This issue is too important to just pass . We need open debates, logical rules and most importantly we need a strong immigration reform bill. That is fair to all who want to become a citizen.The military supports the Dream Act, yes they need new bodies to fight 2 wars that we can never win.
I am a Army brat, my Dad served in WWII, Korea and VietNam. I grew up on military bases, across the country. So now we just allow anyone to join, we are not taking care of our existing soldiers how can we afford to pay for all of these new ones. This is an issue that must come to a vote by the citizens of the United States. For over 10 years the Dream Act has failed to get votes. It has become a non issue just something the politicians pull out at election time.

It not fair to the illegal population, it is not fair to legal population and it is not fair to people who are applying legally. A serous issue needs serious attention. Stop the games.


ValleyVixon
Comment posted September 21, 2010 @ 9:15 pm

Now why in the world would I want someone with your attitude becoming a citizen? Biting the hand that could vote for you is not smart. Not smart at all.


ValleyVixon
Comment posted September 21, 2010 @ 9:25 pm

So the children go to college, get a degree, spend untold thousands of dollars and then go work in the fields? Our country has always needed immigrants, we just want them to earn it, not steal it.


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