Hatch, Bennett Say They’ll Vote ‘No’ on DREAM Act

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Thursday, September 16, 2010 at 10:58 am

Orrin Hatch (R-Utah) was an original sponsor of the DREAM Act, a bill to help some undocumented young people gain legal status through school or military service. In 2003, he referred to the deportation of students who grew up in the U.S. as a “tremendous loss to our society.” In 2007, he and fellow Utah Sen. Bob Bennett voted to add the act to the defense authorization bill — the same move Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid is attempting now.

In 2010, though, Hatch and Bennett’s votes will be different: They said they plan to vote “no” on the DREAM Act next week.

“The American people want the government to secure our borders, create jobs and reduce the deficit.” Hatch said. “Instead, Senate leadership is insisting on ignoring the will of the people and holding our troops hostage by cynically pushing a defense bill chock-full of controversial measures to score cheap political points with its liberal base.”

Why the turnaround? In July, when I wrote about prospects for the DREAM Act, Hatch’s position was hard to pin down. He seemed supportive of the DREAM Act in public statements, telling a town hall of potential DREAM Act beneficiaries, “If they’ve lived good lives, if they’ve done good things, why would we penalize them and not let them at least go to school?”

But his spokeswoman, Antonia Ferrier, was careful at the time to point out that Hatch had not signed on to the current version of the DREAM Act. “He believes that we have to get tough on border security because the American people will have no faith in any immigration legislation until we do that,” she said in an email.

Hatch and Bennett join a growing chorus of Republicans who have spoken out about Reid’s decision to add the DREAM Act to the defense authorization bill. While many have not said they will vote against the defense bill, a few have recently said they plan to block the bill. John McCain (R-Ariz.) said he will block the bill if the DREAM Act and a measure to end Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell are not stripped from the bill.

Reid reportedly hopes to bring the bill up for its first vote on the Senate floor early next Tuesday.

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David
Comment posted September 16, 2010 @ 3:22 pm

I think is a great idea to have immigrants fix their immigration status by serving 2 yrs in the military! Our military forces are overstreched and our soldiers are tired of multiple deployments. If young immigrants want to earn their rights in this country, there is no better way than being elegible to serve in our armed forces. Any politician that obstructs the opportunity for young people to serve our armed forces is doing a disservice to our country.


andrew
Comment posted September 16, 2010 @ 3:28 pm

well said david


Anonymous
Comment posted September 16, 2010 @ 4:10 pm

Have you ever thought of those who have family? Those who are disable? Those who are too young or too old? I think that the ignorance on this solution is well seen. This will not solve everything, this might apply to some and some are capable of serving, but what about the rest? We need a solution that can apply to all not just to a few. You must understand that everyone is desperately looking for a better future for their kid, for their family, and for themselves. Is it right to leave those behind, while others can get their citizenship in a much easier way? It's unfair and takes away rights.


Markg
Comment posted September 16, 2010 @ 4:29 pm

What does it take away? The DREAM ACT hasn't just been around for 1,2,3 years it's been around for 10 that's TEN YEARS. What about the kid who was 15 and now is 25 and washing dishes, or picking fruits. When he could have been in college or out by now. What have the immigrant community done to support their own goals of immigration reform? Did they ban together with the DREAMERS this last summer? No they kept saying we don't want piecemeal. Well, sometimes it's better to have a slice of the cake than no cake at all. No body is saying a comprehensive is not coming. It will next year, and if the DREAM ACT is passed now, that means a stronger base of support. Think about it, young college bound or college students with a temporary green card in hand is more useful than nothing at all. They will be able to make a better statement because they will not be afraid to come out and fight for the rights of their parents, aunts, uncles etc. Don't lose sight of the bigger objective, the DREAM ACT doesn't just give a foot in the door it gives a personal sit down.


Brittanicus
Comment posted September 16, 2010 @ 6:18 pm

This Path to citizenship or the “DREAM ACT” is not limited to a few College grad’s but an amnesty that includes illegal aliens up to age 35! And the illegal families homesteading arrival can even incorporate children as late as age 15! This bill is a giant fraudulent loophole that nationals can claim an amnesty without providing proof of meeting certain conditions. Even some factions of the DREAM ACT amnesty have divulged that around 2.1 million people could be eligible. This amnesty has no restriction procedures at all as it still allows businesses to persist in hiring illegal aliens. Further—it tempts millions more parents to fetch their children here illegally and stay long enough for them to become high school students and demand another amnesty in a few years. Sen. Harry Reid has become an irritating thorn in the minds of all Americans—more so in Nevada.

H. Reid is definitely a tax and spend undercover Liberal progressive, because of the costs involved with the Dream, but any kind of Amnesty. It becomes an extreme proposition on any taxpayer, because the large majority of illegal aliens are poor, with no education that will become dependent on taxpayers. Reid is only doing this–to expand–his voting bloc, which he certainly will—as illegal aliens will violate federal law to vote for him. NEVADA HAS AN OVERALL POPULATION OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS, WORKING IN CASINO”S, ENTERTAINMENT AND BEFORE THE BUBBLE BURST IN REAL ESTATE. UNSAVORY CONTRACTORS WAS USING ILLEGAL WORKERS IN THE CONSTRUCTION INDUSTRY FOR YEARS, UNDERMINING WAGES..

Senator Harry Reid is also one of the principle lawmakers, who have suggested opening our Social Security system to illegal aliens. That means access to our pensions and safeguards for our sick and senior citizens. When house building collapsed Sen. Harry Reid allowed illegal labor, to collect unemployment benefits even though this is against the law. More than half of Nevadans think undocumented immigrants are taking jobs away from Nevada citizens, a recent Las Vegas Review-Journal poll showed. Angle's ad blasts Reid for voting to give “special tax breaks to illegal aliens” and to give those Social Security benefits “even for the time they were here illegally.” Be aware Angle can be shaped by public opinion, because as yet she hasn't been corrupted by Washington. However Reid is an insider, who is part of the rancid power elite, which voted for trillions of dollars for Wall Street.

Around the country hundreds of thousands of honest contractors have lost their businesses, dropped employees, because other companies are cutting costs by utilizing cheap labor. The consequences are lost jobs, wages falling and approximately 8.5 million illegal nationals stealing jobs from citizens and green card holders. According to (FAIR) Cost of Illegal Aliens in 2005 for Nevada – $629,900,000.If this bill is passed it leaves intact the “chain migration system” that will permit these 2.1 million illegal aliens, to eventually send for millions more relatives. The ominous DREAM ACT leaves intact the chain migration system that will allow these 2.1 million illegal aliens to ultimately send for millions more relatives.

In quick succession, the legitimized illegal aliens would be able to get green cards for their parents. In the future millions of additional relatives would be able to start planning their applications and getting in line. This starts with adult siblings and moves on to aunts, uncles, cousins, etc. A large percentage of the illegal aliens in the U.S. today are extended family members of the illegal aliens who got amnesty in 1986 and also those in the six more-limited amnesties throughout the 1990s.

Vent your anger on the phone lines to Washington and your Senator and Congressman at 202-224-3121. Join millions of other Americans and freely email, fax or you can aid in stopping the corruption in the Capitol. NumbersUSA has all the tools to return this country to THE PEOPLE. Be aware that illegal households may try and vote for Reid in November as our voting system is easily compromised.


Markg
Comment posted September 16, 2010 @ 6:44 pm

In case you don't know, looking like you were just ranting. The republicans allowed the age to be 35. You didn't know that did you? When the DREAM ACT was first introduced by a REPUBLICAN IN 2001 Orrin Hatch. You might know him the age limit was much lower, but since it took 10 years the kids whom the bill was original crafted for they want to include. Blame your republican friends, just a side note it would be so funny when the current established REPUBS vote with the DEMS because the party kicked them to the curb for people that can't even manage their own finances. HINT HINT it's miniPalin. lol


Banger909
Comment posted September 16, 2010 @ 9:12 pm

I agree I part BUT a two year enlistment is not long enough. We are talking about Illegals. We want to open this up to men and women who do not want the GIVE ME but are willing to go a extra mile. That said .We open recruitment for 18 to 24 unmarried men and women. Must have a command of English to at least 6 grade Clean background drug test.. Term of enlistment 10 years. At end of enlistment that is Honorable Citizenship. Reup Citizenship This gives the Military another group of VERY proud Soldiers It gives America something to. It gives them the one's who went that extra mile who was willing to sacrifice BUT there is something much more If while serving in combat zone(area) while engaged is awarded the Purple Heart or receive any Citation or Medal for Courage,Bravery or Above and Beyond they receive Citizenship

Try walking up to one of these Soldiers and ask them ” Do you like what we gave you” have grease makes the boot a little easier to handle


rhody
Comment posted September 16, 2010 @ 11:10 pm

What next Mr. Reid? Are you going to sneak in a jobs bill for all illegals?


heather
Comment posted September 17, 2010 @ 2:23 am

I support the Dream Act. Anyone who doesn't is just plain ignorant. Enough said.


Gern
Comment posted September 17, 2010 @ 6:25 am

Yes, let's reward criminals! Great idea! Um… if you need people in the military so badly because it's stretched too thin, how about pulling out of two pointless wars? If you really need people to kill other people, there's a ridiculously overpopulated prison system you could choose from. There are tons of killers in there who'd be happy to continue plying their trade. We could be just like Mexico! Send our worst to another country and let *them* take care of the problems they cause! Then our soldiers could come home and protect our northern and southern borders. Problem solved.


AZ-Ed
Comment posted September 17, 2010 @ 8:32 am

What? People need to read the bill before going off on a racist rampage with fiction in their words. The Dream Act is fair and makes total sense. WE HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE AND ALL TO GAIN PEOPLE! As far as the whole Amnesty argument here's the truth IT ONLY APPLIES TO THOSE WHO QUALIFY (students,military,good morals, not criminal background) C'MON! Enough hate!


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TAXPAYER
Comment posted September 17, 2010 @ 2:04 pm

Beware of the DREAM ACT. It is too broad and we have no one to enforce the law if the Dreamers do not fulfill the requirement for citizenship. Only about 1/3 of those eligible will reach citizenship. The rest do not have the education or have family responsibilities, AKA anchor babies.

This will allow those here illegally to have 6 more years of anchor babies and create their general havoc.


cleancut77
Comment posted September 17, 2010 @ 3:34 pm

If they add verbiage that prevents the Dream Act recipients from sponsoring family members and the parents that brought them here illegally, I would support it. It also needs to be a stand alone bill stop playing games Senator Reid.


cleancut77
Comment posted September 17, 2010 @ 3:35 pm

Nope, they are Americans with legitimate concerns.


heather
Comment posted September 17, 2010 @ 6:18 pm

America is a nation of Immigrants. Dream Act is not endorsing criminals to receive citizenship, but rather the cream of the crop, the students who grew up American and didn't know till later in life they were undocumented… Let's send them back home, when they often do better than american born kids, now that's reasonable.


SupportiveTaxPayer
Comment posted September 17, 2010 @ 10:15 pm

The DREAM Act is not too broad–it's rather specific actually and is geared to help a small population of those who serve the United States: through the military or through obtaining their education. They are not criminals; they are youth hoping to fulfill the American dream by serving the country that has raised them: the only country they can call home. And yes, the age limit is 35, but they are also people who have served the military and have obtained some sort of post high school graduation. Many of these youth obtain their degrees but are unable to use them because of the lack of proper documentation. It is time for them to step out of the shadows and contribute to our magnificent country. I am in support of the DREAM act and see the contributions these youth can give as an asset to our country.


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Luis hernandez
Comment posted September 19, 2010 @ 4:51 pm

stop dream act and amnesty for people who have enter the usa illegally. please. those that are here have used so much of our tax payers tax money. The students have have used fed. loans. please

the country which they come from should takecare of thier needs.


Informed
Comment posted September 19, 2010 @ 6:22 pm

Are you kidding me? Obviously you are not an informed tax payer. Undocumented students are not eligible for federal assistance thus they cannot receive FEDERAL loans or any sort of Federal financial aid.


get informed please
Comment posted September 20, 2010 @ 12:27 am

Wow luis hernandez…you speak without being informed..that is a shame because before you talk about an issue you must KNOW the issue. Undocumented students do not get federal loan or bog waiver or fafsa and even they don't receive scholarships unless they ar private…Wow i never get over the blind ignorace….but as people say sometimes i guess ignorance is bliss…in this case it is probably your bidding congratulations you are one of the many…


get informed
Comment posted September 20, 2010 @ 12:29 am

oh i forgot the activist are fighting for REFORM not AMNESTY get it? reform, amnesty? do you even know what is the difference? please please please get informed


get informed
Comment posted September 20, 2010 @ 12:31 am

LOL everytime i read this comments i laugh so hard at the ignorace, the dreamers are the students that are in university or already got accepted geez …. sometimes I am so ASHAMED to be called an American since their so much ignorance in my beautiful country


get informed please
Comment posted September 20, 2010 @ 12:40 am

did you even know that those students that would be eligible for Dream CAN'T legalize their parents! you didn't know that do you? DUH OF COURSE NOT BECAUSE YOU JUST POSTED

oh and amnesty does not equal the the DREAM ACT! amnesty wwill be like the one in 1986 where even REAL CRIMINALS got legalized right now they are fighting for REFORM..do you even know what is the difference go read go on! then you can come and say the ACTUAL FACTS not ignorant ranting.


get informed
Comment posted September 20, 2010 @ 12:43 am

JESUS again i must correct. Dream Act is targeting high school students which it mean that they do indeed have a good english understanding, some citizens are in ELD and i tell you this because i witness it i was a TA and the true undocumented youth were not, thereforeyou are mistaken


JAY
Comment posted September 20, 2010 @ 4:27 pm

If a person is illegal they are not able to reap any benefits such as student loans, grants, welfare or anything else. The illegals that use a false social security number do so to work but they cannot collect on the social security benefits. Get your facts right before you post ignorant comments. If an undocumented student is able to go to college without documentation such as in California they MUST pay all their fees up front and in many states they have to pay out of state tuition. Furthermore, 70% of Americans support the legislation.
This fact sheet provides an overview of the results from a public opinion survey analyzing support for the Development, Relief, and Education for Alien Minors Act (DREAM Act), federal legislation that would provide undocumented students brought to the United States as children with the opportunity to earn permanent legal status upon meeting certain requirements.
According to the survey results, 70% of Americans favor the DREAM Act, a notable increase in support compared to a similar 2004 poll that placed public support at 58%.
The telephone survey was commissioned by First Focus and conducted by Opinion Research Corporation, using a national probability sample of 1,008 adults comprising 506 men and 502 women. The survey was completed during the period of June 10-13, 2010. The poll’s margin of error is +/- 3%.

GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT!!!!!!

According to a New York Times article on April 5, 2005, “…the estimated seven million or so illegal immigrant workers in the United States are now providing the system with a subsidy of as much as $7 billion a year….Moreover, the money paid by illegal immigrants and their employers is factored into all the Social Security Administration's projections.”
However,since illegal immigrant workers are here illegally, and ostensibly presented fake ID to the US employer, they will never collect Social Security benefits. “For illegal immigrants, Social Security numbers are simply a tool needed to work on this side of the border. Retirement does not enter the picture,” reports the New York Times.
The Social Security Administration remains solvent in large part due to deductions taken from the paychecks of illegal immigrant workers, yet Social Security will never pay benefits to those workers. The workers pay in, but they never receive back.

AGAIN GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT BEFORE YOU SPIT OUT IGNORANT UN-RESEARCHED COMMENTS.


J Tanner08
Comment posted September 20, 2010 @ 4:34 pm

our students who have parents born here are getting closed out of colleges and financial aid. help others but take care of you own.
if they want to be citizens there parents should of thought a long time age about there education. i worked at a large bank and overheard 2 co workers talking about what benefits they were taking by choice and i am sure lies. their comment you got to squeeze the government for what you can. need i say more


Ever
Comment posted September 20, 2010 @ 5:56 pm

You are so ignorant. We are not able to get loans or federals help either. Im in college and all of the money has come from my parents pockets and my dad does report taxes but he gets NOTHING back. I agree that there are dome illegals outthere taking advantage but im not one of them.


Ever
Comment posted September 20, 2010 @ 6:01 pm

Wow how ignorant can you get “TAXPAYER”. I feel bad for you.


FedUpWithUSGovt
Comment posted September 20, 2010 @ 6:29 pm

FACTS about the “Nightmare” Act –

FACT – This bill is NOT just for teens and college students. Senate DREAM bill allows you to be up to 35 years old to qualify. House bill has NO upper limit!

FACT – Bill is open to gigantic fraud. The bill is written so that the 2, 3 or 4 million illegal-alien applicants only have to CLAIM to meet the criteria. They don't have to PROVE anything.

FACT – This amnesty has no enforcement measures at all. It allows employers to continue to hire illegal aliens, enticing millions more parents to bring their children here illegally and stay long enough for them to become high school students and demand another amnesty in a few years.

FACT – DREAM leaves intact the chain migration system that will allow these 2.1+ million illegal aliens to eventually send for millions more relatives. A large percentage of the illegal aliens in the U.S. today are extended family members of the illegal aliens who got amnesty in 1986 and also those in the six more-limited amnesties in the 1990s.

WAKE UP AMERICA! Our elected officials are selling us RIGHT DOWN the river, and feeding us the lies necessary to pass this KRAP legislation. Call your Congressman ASAP and stop this from passing !!!!


Isaias Amaya
Comment posted September 20, 2010 @ 7:30 pm

Learn to write. We're not 'squeezing the gov't' for anything. We just merely want a chance at success here, in the US, where many of us have been for the past 10+ years.


Isaias Amaya
Comment posted September 20, 2010 @ 7:38 pm

Hahahaha. Yeah that's the solution.
Ignorance at its best.


Daniel H87
Comment posted September 20, 2010 @ 8:03 pm

just informing everybody get your facts right! no undocument student gets any type of benefit from the government, they all have to pay cash if they want to go college..they are paying cash and the government its accepting it….and this kids have been growing up here as americans they speak the language and have become americans they just need papers to prove it pass the dream act!


Pierre
Comment posted September 20, 2010 @ 8:21 pm

They named this bill. They must be dreaming if they think it's going to pass.


YESTODREAMACT
Comment posted September 21, 2010 @ 12:56 am

FICTION – This bill is NOT just for teens and college students. Senate DREAM bill allows you to be up to 35 years old to qualify. House bill has NO upper limit!

FACT- If you are referring to the fact that anyone can just cross our border and apply to this bill, you are wrong. The bill clearly states that a person is only eligible if they came here before the age of 16, must have graduated from a U.S. high school, and have lived in the U.S. for 5 years before the enactment of the Bill.

FICTION:Bill is open to gigantic fraud. The bill is written so that the 2, 3 or 4 million illegal-alien applicants only have to CLAIM to meet the criteria. They don't have to PROVE anything.

FACT: It's estimated that this bill would benefit around 350,000 undocumented students…and the student has to obtain their Associates degree or enlist in the military…only then are they granted conditional residency, and after 6 years are able to apply for permanent residency. I'm pretty sure there's ways to check the legitimacy of an Associates degree or enlistment in our armed forces.

FICTION – This amnesty has no enforcement measures at all. It allows employers to continue to hire illegal aliens, enticing millions more parents to bring their children here illegally and stay long enough for them to become high school students and demand another amnesty in a few years.

FACT: By granting these students their conditional residency, it allows them to work here LEGALLY, therefore reducing the amount of employers who hire illegal aliens.

FICTION – DREAM leaves intact the chain migration system that will allow these 2.1+ million illegal aliens to eventually send for millions more relatives. A large percentage of the illegal aliens in the U.S. today are extended family members of the illegal aliens who got amnesty in 1986 and also those in the six more-limited amnesties in the 1990s.

FACT: Under current immigration law, you can only send for a relative in another country if they are your spouse, or child. If these students have lived here their whole lives, I'm almost positive it would be close to impossible to have a spouse or child living in another country.

Please do everyone a favor, and actually research what you're trying to claim next time. THANKS :)


Jorge
Comment posted September 21, 2010 @ 1:17 am

Students of today will be the leaders of tomorrow, I say we don't turn our backs to them because if they've managed to pass high school even after knowing they had nothing going for them, think of what they'd be able to do if they had incentives plus education plus gratitude for our country. Great things if you ask me.


YESTODREAMACT
Comment posted September 21, 2010 @ 1:23 am

Who is getting closed out of colleges? I have never heard of an American citizen being denied of a college because it was at capacity or because an undocumented student took their place. If Americans want to go to college, try a little thing called working hard! I love it when people say “oh these undocumented students are going to take our place in our universities and take American jobs” Oh no…can you imagine? A society where people actually have to study to go to college, and a corporate culture where only the deserving get to the top! No more slackers!!!! I think Americans should be concerned about the passing of this bill but only because they're going to actually have to work hard for once in their lives.


YESTODREAMACT
Comment posted September 21, 2010 @ 1:32 am

You must be dreaming if you think all immigrants are going to go back to their country of origin. There is an immigration problem, and the Dream Act is actually a good solution since it deals with the cream of the crop–the students that actually want to do something with their lives. It is not their fault that their parents brought them here when they were little, and therefore should not be punished for their parents actions. If that were the case, I think every child of someone who is in jail, should also go to jail for their parents mistakes. That makes no sense, and neither does punishing an undocumented child for their parents mistake.


Jorge
Comment posted September 21, 2010 @ 1:48 am

So, you want to send the murdurers (US Citizens or not) to another country with a gun and … Um kill for America, that is assuming that that's all they do over there (no liberating from opression or anything). Um, then put soldiers with guns on the borders, to Um protect … Heve you grraduated from High School or attended a Four year University yet, because you're so ignorant it's obvious you haven't, but just in case you did, how did you do it! How much did you pay? Oh and guess what, the students that would qualify for the DREAM act must have clear criminal records, two years or more in College or University, high school diploma … more education you'll ever achieve apparently.


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JC
Comment posted September 21, 2010 @ 7:00 am

While many of the “cream of the crop” students will get citizenship under the DREAM Act…many others undeserving persons will get it due to fraud and loopholes in the law. Anyone who is under age 35 with a GED or high school diploma can claim to be in the country for 5 years and be eligible. While the DREAM Act may be a good idea…it could lead to amnesty to as many as 5 million illegal aliens. Most of these people who get amnesty will at best become an office clerk or a government worker. The scientists, doctors and lawyers will be very few.


JC
Comment posted September 21, 2010 @ 7:06 am

It's going to be very hard for the government to prove that someone is not eligible as illegal aliens don't have SSN numbers and cannot be tracked very well. Anyone can claim eligibility and once the govt receives millions of applications, most likely they'll be rubber stamping the applications. So in theory anyone who is under age 35 and claims to have been here 5 years is eligible once they can buy a GED online.

You also left out the fact that you can send for parents and brothers and sisters under the current immigration law. You conveniently left that out and only left in spouse or child. Considering most of the siblings and parents would already be here, it would convert the kids into anchor babies retroactively.


JC
Comment posted September 21, 2010 @ 7:13 am

Many many people I know got their parents legalized as soon as they became US Citizens and under current law that is still true. As soon as you become a US Citizen you can bring over your parents, sibling and spouse. Get your facts straight.

If the DREAM ACT really was meant to help out the college bound kids and kids in college…limit it to those who are currently between ages 15 and 25…and require graduation of a 4 year school or the full 3 years military service. Going to the University of Phoenix for 2 years after getting a GED is not a big hurdle for anyone.


search
Comment posted September 21, 2010 @ 7:49 pm

YOU may think that you're not squeezing, but lots of your fellow illegals definitely are: it's post-evident


search
Comment posted September 21, 2010 @ 7:55 pm

As usual, figures don't lie but liars figure. It is implausible that 7M illegal workers are paying SS taxes, or any taxes for that matter. Most undocumented workers are working under the table and the corrupt employers are all for it. There are no benes for these folks. A law was passed recently to allow those illegals who became legal to claim previous SS payments, while illegal, if they can prove it, to count toward their SS quarters of work claims.


search
Comment posted September 21, 2010 @ 7:59 pm

Such great and lofty ideals. Fairness abounds. But like all gummit programs, it soon degenerates to an uncontrollable fiasco. If you read the bill, there are numerous exceptions that will allow massive loophole interpretations.


search
Comment posted September 21, 2010 @ 8:03 pm

Heather, you sweet soul, your heart is in the right place but you apparently base your support on headlines. You need to read the bill. It's not like you think.


search
Comment posted September 21, 2010 @ 8:09 pm

get, you're like Heather, only you're not a sweet soul, just a fool who gets his info from headlines. You can read the bill and the discussions on the Senate website.


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IgnorantFools
Comment posted September 27, 2010 @ 4:52 pm

It's not like you did anything special to get your citizenship Banger909. All your mom did was sh!t u out of a US hospital that's all. You're nothing special buddy. Stop being a hypocrite, you won't even enlist in the military yourself lol


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jimmy
Comment posted November 25, 2010 @ 6:02 am

send them back where the came from!!!!


tillie
Comment posted November 29, 2010 @ 3:21 pm

We don’t need these illegals in our country all they are doing is having as many children as they can to take over the United States. Have their children go to school on the Dream Act if it passes. That is so wrong while legal children are not even able to go to school. Wake up America before we are being kicked out the United States because the illegals will be telling us to move out of America.


tillie
Comment posted November 29, 2010 @ 3:21 pm

We don’t need these illegals in our country all they are doing is having as many children as they can to take over the United States. Have their children go to school on the Dream Act if it passes. That is so wrong while legal children are not even able to go to school. Wake up America before we are being kicked out the United States because the illegals will be telling us to move out of America.


tim
Comment posted November 30, 2010 @ 3:16 am

I think YOU should get your facts straight. They are ALL criminals.
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Being here illegally after a previous deportation IS a criminal act.
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Working here illegally IS a criminal act.
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Stealing someone’s identity IS a criminal act.
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Using fake identification documents IS a criminal act.
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Lying on an I-9 form by stating that you are legally permitted to work here IS a criminal act.
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Evading taxes IS a criminal act.
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Driving without a drivers license IS a criminal act
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Driving without liability insurance IS a criminal act.


tim
Comment posted November 30, 2010 @ 3:18 am

HERES ANOTHER DEMOC RAT LIE ABOUT THIS BILL 800,000 REALLY MEANS ABOUT 3 MILLION AND OF THOSE 3 MILLION ILLEGALS HERE ANOTHER 15-30 MILLION OF THEIR POOR BROKE UNEDUCATED UNSKILLED RELATIVES WILL BEGIN TO IMMIGRATE TO THE USA IMMEDIATELY AND BEGIN TO SIGN UP FOR SOCIAL SECURITY WELFARE FOOD STAMPS SECTION 8 HOUSING AND ON AND ON AND ON… NO COUNTRY IN THE WORLD WOULD EVEN CONSIDER DESTROYING ITSELF LIKE THIS EXCEPT THE USA AND ONLY BECAUSE OF THE SELF LOATHING AMERICA HATING TRAITORS CALLED LIBERAL DEMOC RATS.


Anonymous
Comment posted November 30, 2010 @ 5:16 am

Any Senator that voted against the Defense bill better not vote for the Dream Act. If they do they show that it was not the Dream Act they had a problem with but the funding for the Defense of this country.

No to the Dream Act.


VETELECT
Comment posted December 1, 2010 @ 2:48 pm

BUT WHY SHOULD I HAVE TO PAY FOR THEIR EDUCATION , WHEN THEIR GOVT SHUOLD BE DOING THIS FOR THEM , WHY SHOULD I HAVE TO PAY FOR SOMEONE THATS NOT HERE LEGALLY, I DIDNT SERVE IN VIETNAM FOR THESE PEPOLE TO BE HERE , TO BRING DOWN AMERICA , AND THATS WHAT ILLEGALS ARE DOING . SO YOU CAN TELL OBAMA THAT THIS WILL BE HIS ONLY TERM AS PRESIDENT , I VOTED FOR HIM TOO , BUT NOT FOR THIS , NO DREAM ACT , IF THEY WANT TO DREAM LET THEM RETURN TO MEXICO AND DREAM..IF THIS DOES PASS I WILL BECOME A REPUBLICAN AND VOTE AGAINST HIM ,NO DREAMS FOR THESE PEOPLE .UNLESS THEY GO THE RIGHT WAY , THRU THE LEGALL CHANELS .THANK YOU …


VETELECT
Comment posted December 1, 2010 @ 2:53 pm

NO DREAM. GO BACK TO MEXICO TO DREAM … ILLEGALS ARE NOT WECOMED LOOK AT MOST OF AMERICA , MOST SAY NO DREAM ACT , I SAY NO DREAM . GO HOME TO DREAM . IN MEXICO . THANK YOU


VETELECT
Comment posted December 1, 2010 @ 2:59 pm

I WILL AGREE WITH YOU , I DIDNT SERVE IN VEITNAM TO LET THESE ILLEGALS , AND OBAMA GIVE MY F–KIN COUNTRY AWAY TO SOMEONE THATS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE HERE…THIS WILL BE HIS ONLY TERM, IF THIS DREAM ACT PASES , I WILL BECOME A REPUBLICAN AND VOTE AGAINST, HIM ,, TOO BAD FOR THIS COUNTRY , LIKED BEING A DEMOCRATE


Tony Cavanaugh
Comment posted December 2, 2010 @ 12:56 am

Just a thought about the DREAM ACT- You know as well as i do this bill is for illegal aliens thats not the problem if they are trying to improve their lifestyle but we are also having problems with other type of illegal aliens. My thoughts are that ALL illegal aliens should be put on PAROLE and report to a parole office once a month until they get their citizenship. The benefits would be great cause the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT would be able to keep track of them and what they are up. Not all illegal aliens are bad but some of them like to hi-jack airplanes and crash them into buildings. Some ILLEGAL aliens are more dangerous then the people being released from our prisons!!!!!!


Audrenejamila
Comment posted December 5, 2010 @ 5:06 am

ha ya people are so stupid for saying all that bulls+-+-. get a life for real everyone is not a criminal remember. we are talking about young adults that are planning to go to school or the military not drug dealers duhhh. so if you have not sinned in your life at all or ever commited a “REAL CRIMINAL CRIME” then throw the stones at the illegal immigrants otherwise you can’t because you yourself have sinned!! and I’m an african american and once before we were all slaves if it wasn’t for the rascist people like all the people on this page. pretty sure i will be seperated from whites and blacks. Glad Martin luther king Jr. shut up all the rascist people like the ones yourself on this page including tony cavanaugh, we have crazy people in our town ha, especially tim, tillie, and jorge get a life ha. don’t u remember the I Have a Dream speech pretty sure you might heard of that in school unless ur a dumb citizen n slept in class, because you were born into a city haha you are the Best, Not!


Audrenejamila
Comment posted December 5, 2010 @ 5:10 am

N once the again i love the rascist people haha cuz one day all the immigrants your talking about will be better than all than you. Give a hand clap to all the rascist/haters on this page. ya are the best in the world omg NOT


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Reality
Comment posted December 9, 2010 @ 4:27 am

Grow up your racist old loser, and learn what the freaking caps lock key is.


praying a promise!!!
Comment posted December 9, 2010 @ 4:30 am

god bless America yes dream act :P


Danper
Comment posted December 9, 2010 @ 4:26 pm

There is no surprise that this two mormon Senators do what mormons do best: Deceit and Lying. (Natural Hypocricy for short) Do not get me wrong I grew up as one of them, but for this reason I can tell by experience.
They will never do anything good towards immigrants because hatred towards foreigners is a fundamnental principle among mormons and among republicans as well. Besides corruption in D.C. is monumental and politicians will not do anything good even towards Americans unless they are receiving something ($$, Power) to themselves. They do not care if Dream Act would benefit their country. No, no, they are thinking: what Dream Act will benefit me as a Senator? And they reason: hating them benefits me more…
Sorry for the young lads, but this dream is just that, a dream. You cannot request a rotten a tree to give you good fruit: It is impossible! They cannot do good because they do not know how. that is corruption. At the end this American country is set for destruction caused by them, the politicians and their sponsors the rich corporations. We will be able to see that, for good or for bad.


Ferdinandmoon
Comment posted December 9, 2010 @ 4:32 pm

How ignorant are you moron. You forgot that your grand grand parenst were aliens as well, unless you are a real American: Native Indian such as a Mojave or Lakota, or Shoshone,etc. They are the real American, The rest including you are aliens. The difference is that your grandparents killed and stole the Americans land.


Delaluna_91
Comment posted December 12, 2010 @ 7:49 am

No to the dream act…..^_^…


Delaluna_91
Comment posted December 12, 2010 @ 7:49 am

No to the dream act…..^_^…


Shiite_89
Comment posted December 12, 2010 @ 7:53 am

Vote no to dream act


American vet Kevin
Comment posted December 13, 2010 @ 11:34 am

Vote NO to Dream act Bill, this is not right for America !!!!!!!!


Guest
Comment posted December 17, 2010 @ 5:15 am

No dream act. Can’t take care of our US born american citizen children, then you have no right to give illegals free anything. This act is shameful and a slap in the face to all american children. I refuse my tax dollars go for any illegals fricken dream!


Anguianoloops
Comment posted December 22, 2010 @ 9:20 pm

If you know anything about US History then you should know that your statement is a contradiction. Imbecile.


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