A photograph taken after a protest in Grand Rapids, Mich. (Creative Commons)
A photograph taken after a protest in Grand Rapids, Mich. (Creative Commons)

Death and Joblessness

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Tuesday, August 17, 2010 at 4:30 am

A photograph taken after a protest in Grand Rapids, Mich. (Flickr user StevendePolo)

He hit “publish” on the last Wednesday in July, in the middle of a long afternoon. “I also have become homeless and am on the verge of suicide. I slept out in the wood last night and didn’t gett very much sleep. I hate to bring you people down with my problems but I thought you would like to know this. I don’t know what else to say except I’m very sorry it turned out like this but I can take the strain of living like this very much longer.” (All posts are reproduced as published.)

[Economy1] The post went up as part of a conversation about homelessness on Unemployed-Friends, a popular online forum for the unemployed to connect with one another. Most were discussing how to live in homeless shelters after eviction or foreclosure. But his post went further. “This is killing me physically and emotoinally. I am at the end of my rope and getting to the point of letting go. I have tried everything I know to get help. DHS won’t help’ Salvation Army won’t help. 211 won’t help. I have no idea as to where to go from here. If you don’t hear from me by tomorrow I probably will be dead.”

Thousands of users visit the web site daily, offering one another everything from advice about applying for unemployment insurance benefits to emotional support. It is one of dozens of such sites helping the nation’s 14.6 million unemployed — particularly the long-term unemployed, the 6.6 million Americans who have been out of work for more than six months. “I am very tempted to walk in front of an oncoming semi right now. Sorry to go on ranting but I am getting to the point where I feel I have no choice. For those of you that want to know I am currently in Grand Rapids. I appreciate your words of encouragement but right now it doesn’t seem to be enough to keep me going.”

The post ended, “I will try to tough out another night. Goodbye for now.”

***

The unemployed commit suicide at a rate two or three times the national average, researchers estimate. And in many cases, the longer the spell of unemployment, the higher the likelihood of suicide.

On online fora such as Unemployed-Friends, the topic comes up often, users finding news reports or hearing tell of deaths in their community, and mourning them. There was the Staten Island suicide, where an emergency medical services employee who thought himself about to be fired posted his final words on Facebook: “I can’t go on anymore. I just hung myself.” In Anaheim, Calif., there was the man underwater on his mortgage and awash in credit card debt who shot his wife and and one of his children before himself. His two children survived. His wife did not. In Indiana, there was the middle-aged mother who sent her daughter out to buy soda and killed herself before her daughter came back. That happened the day after the repossession of her Chevy Malibu.

Other stories are more apocryphal. In a post that ginned up dozens of comments and thousands of views on Unemployed-Friends, someone reported a father of three in Michigan had killed himself, writing in his final letter, “I am sorry, I have now lost every ounce of pride I ever had. You will be better off without me.” (The report of the suicide is unconfirmed.) A colleague told me he knew of a local man who killed himself when his unemployment insurance ended, because when his unemployment insurance ended he had no way to pay his child support.

The stories appear in letters to Congress as well. “My dad, S, killed himself March 16, 2009 because he ran out of money and could not find work. My whole family had been devastated by the economy. He was 61 years old and could not take it anymore. He could not figure out how to keep the electric on, buy food, or keep a roof over his head. A day before his electric was to be shut off, and 2 weeks away from eviction, my dad took the hardest walk of his life. He left a note on the dining room table for my sister and I. His suicide letter said ‘I love you. I had to do this. I ran out of money. I wish you both luck in your lives’. He left the door unlocked with the door key left in the lock. He carefully laid out two suits for us to pick from to bury him in,” one person from Forest Hills, N.Y., wrote to Rep. Anthony Weiner (D). “I almost caught my dad in time, maybe another 10 minutes and I could have saved him.”

The stories show the deeper wounds of unemployment, and especially long-term unemployment. It is not just the loss of a job, but the loss of community, routine and purpose. It means worse health. It means higher rates of divorce. It means alcohol abuse. All of these are also risk factors for suicide.

***

The users of Unemployed-Friends knew these stories. And they knew this shame and suffering, knew it well enough to take it seriously, for fear of what it can make people do. The web site goes so far as to keep suicide prevention hotline numbers at the top of every page. So when the note from user Vidirian2001 published to the forum, the virtual community realized it had little time to prevent a real-world death. The first reply begged Vidirian to call emergency services. Others suggested a clinic or the hospital.

“Please take the advice of the posters here – we care about you – even if we don’t know you personally – anyone can feel the way you are feeling – we are all facing hard times,” one wrote. “Please Please – I am in tears reading your story.” They said they were crying and praying for the anonymous poster, and told their own stories of survival. One posted Psalms.

Some asked if any fellow Michiganders would go find the user, to help him or her.

Vidirian2001 did not respond until the next morning. “Hello people. Today doesn’t seem to be much better. For those of you that would like to know I am in Grand Rapids MI . If I can’t get any help soon I will follow through with my plans. I also have tried calling suicide prevention and they just transferred me to some one else who then dropped the call. I have no blood relatives I can count on. The friends I do have are supportive but can’t/won’t help me. I am crying right now because I feel there is no way out.”

***

There is no saying how many suicides the recession has caused.

During the Great Depression, the suicide rate increased about 20 percent, from 14 to 17 per 100,000 people. The Asian economic crisis in 1997 led to an estimated 10,400 additional suicides in Japan, Hong Kong and Korea, with suicides spiking more than 40 percent among some demographic groups. But such statistics can mislead, social scientists say. Joblessness does not cause suicide. Rather, it correlates: Depressed persons tend to lose their jobs due to poor work performance, and a few also commit suicide. Jobless people tend to turn to alcohol, worsening their depression, and increasing the chances that they harm themselves. Still, academic studies show that suicide rates tend to move with the unemployment rate. Researchers in New Zealand found that the unemployed were up to three times as likely to commit suicide, with middle-aged men the most likely.

So how many suicides are associated with the recession? Nobody knows, not yet. The statistics lag about three years, so the official Center for Disease Control numbers still predate the financial crisis. Right now, therefore, the reports remain anecdotal.

But looking at individual counties’ or cities’ data, there are ominous signs of a real spike. Some counties show no change. Others show dramatic climbs. In rural Elkhart County, Ind., where the unemployment rate is 13.7 percent, there were nearly 40 percent more suicides in 2009 than in a normal year. In Macomb County, Mich., where the unemployment rate is also 13.7 percent, an average of 81 people per year committed suicide between 1979 and 2006. That climbed to 104 in 2008 and to more than 180 in 2009.

The suicide prevention hotlines also show signs of stress. In Jan. 2007, as the recession started, there were 13,423 calls to the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline, a nationwide toll-free hotline. A year later, there were 39,467. In Aug. 2009, the call volume peaked at 57,625. Last year, the government granted the group an extra $1 million to increase programs in places with high unemployment rates.

***

By Thursday, the posters on Unemployed-Friends knew more about the user known as Vidirian2001. They had gone back to his first post, which went up in June. “Hello everyone. I am Scott I am 45 years old. I have been out of work for over 3 1/2 years. I am getting to the end of my rope. Yesterday, the postman came to the door with a letter for me to sign for. I thought it was something to do with my parents property which is in forclosure. It turns out my wife of 7 years is filing for divorce and is kicking me out of the apartment.”

Rapidly, they pieced identifying details together: Scott, male, 45, estranged. They knew he lived in Grand Rapids, Mich., where the unemployment rate is 11.1 percent. They knew that he posted from a library somewhere in Grand Rapids. They knew he was suicidal, but still reaching out. They knew they had to help him.

Users started calling all of the libraries in Grand Rapids in real time, asking the workers to go find him. Another called the Grand Rapids Police Department’s non-emergency line, providing them with all of the information about Scott and his known whereabouts. Another called the Michigan suicide prevention office. Along with the librarians and the police, they managed to get Scott, still suicidal, to a hospital for urgently needed medical care.

And one user living in Traverse City, hours from Grand Rapids but within driving distance, offered Scott a place to stay to get him off of the streets. “I think it would be better for someone(my son) to pick him up than have him travel alone by bus- he is too vulnerable at this point for the trip alone. We are already rearranging our dining area so we can make him a make shift room of his own so he will have some kind of privacy. My hubby is hoping he likes to fish cause that will give him a new fishing partner!” she wrote.

“For all offering to help pay for this I will get back with you if we need any help with gas money but I think we have enough gas in our van to make the trip I am 126 miles away and I get really good mileage and a couple of my kids are willing to help with money if we need it.”

***

The governmental statistics on suicide, unemployment and the relationship between the two are surprisingly thin.

Amy Rowland, a spokesperson for the CDC Injury Center, acknowledges as much, noting a bump in the suicide rate for older male workers. “Studies done by other researchers show that economic strain and loss are risk factors for suicide.” she says. “However more studies need to be done to better understand what might be occurring in this age group that is contributing to these increases and how we can best control and prevent it.”

Economists Richard Dunn of Texas A&M University and Timothy Classen of Loyola University Chicago are conducting some of those studies. They wanted to pinpoint the effect joblessness had on suicide rates. The problem was sorting out correlation and causation, as many people lose their jobs for depression or alcoholism or drug abuse, which in turn increase the risk of suicide. The economists, of course, could not fire people at random and then track them. So they looked for natural experiments, where workers were fired for reasons other than job performance. They zeroed in on mass layoffs, like when a factory closes and thousands of workers find themselves suddenly unemployed.

Unemployment, they found, does increase the risk of suicide. And not just once, but twice: First, just after the factory shuts down, and then again, about six months later, when unemployment insurance ends. The impact is strongest among men. Dunn explains: “If you had laid off 4,000 [men] initially, one would have killed himself immediately, within a month, and six months later, another person would have killed himself.”

“We don’t expect all 4,000 people to remain unemployed in month six,” Dunn continues. “It is probably 2,000 or 1,000 people who are. So the research suggests that the impact of losing your unemployment benefits is actually stronger than the impact of losing your job. How much stronger? We don’t know. But twice as strong, three times as strong. Some significant difference.”

That is to say, duration of unemployment and loss of unemployment benefits are more important determinants of suicide risk than job loss itself.

***

I spoke with Scott on the phone this week, his voice affectless, his sentences matter-of-fact and declarative, his mood impossible to read. The first thing he told me is that he continues to struggle with suicidal thoughts.

He explains what happened on the day of his post: He was sitting at a kiosk on the computer, considering whether to throw himself in front of a semi or to go “dance with a train,” the words delivered to me as if he were noting the weather. Suddenly, the police approached him in the library and took him to a nearby hospital. Most persons threatening suicide must remain in the hospital for at least 24 hours of observation. Scott says that the hospital released him in an hour, with numbers for services to call. He promised them that he would go get counseling. He spent another night homeless, sleeping on a cement slab in the back of his former apartment building. “There was a patio back where I used to live, so I went there,” he says.

“After that, the people I’m staying with — well, their sons — they came and got me. I had counseling set up in Grand Rapids, but I’m in Traverse City now. I’m not going to go 150 miles –150 each way, a two and a half hour drive — for counseling.” He is not currently in therapy, and does not have ready access to medical care.

We talk about his former life. He has struggled with depression for decades. It runs in his family. His mother and father both suffered from it, too. He was a wood worker and furniture maker, but the industry has left Michigan for China and Malaysia. Still, he had a wife and an apartment, food on the table. But he lost his job. Earlier this summer, his wife left and evicted him, leaving him destitute and homeless. Now, he is living with a family that found him on a message board, in a makeshift bedroom in their home. Both the husband and wife are unemployed themselves. They are hoping to sell their house if they can, and move out of Michigan to somewhere warmer, somewhere with jobs. Scott is waiting on food stamps and possible disability payments for a wrist injury.

He is disappointed with the state of Michigan — he has no caseworker, no hospital stay, no counseling, no Medicaid — disappointed “to say the least. That’s just putting it mildly.” He also feels disappointed with Congress. “The — the system is broken, as far as I’m concerned,” his voice breaking for a moment. “It’s broken and it needs to be repaired drastically and urgently, but the people in Congress could care less as long as they’ve got theirs. I’m not even the worst off. On the forum, one guy sold his computer to buy some milk for his kid, then got in his van and shot himself. I’m better off than many.”

When the Unemployed-Friends rescue happened, he posted: “All I have to say to you people on this forum is: YOU PEOPLE ARE A GODSEND. Not only for me but for others who need a helping hand and someone to talk to. I am crying tears of joy because someone who doesn’t even know me is willing to help me in my time of need.”

I ask him how he is feeling now. He replies, “Like a burden. I have no money. I have no job. I’m not going to lie to you. I still think about it.”

For people in distress, there is help: Call the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline on (800) 273 TALK.

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Comment posted August 17, 2010 @ 1:59 pm

Outstanding article. Really outstanding


G.R.
Comment posted August 17, 2010 @ 3:03 pm

I wish like hell that this was required reading for every heartless jerk who says, “Anyone can get a job,” “People are homeless because they want to be,” or who rolls their eyes and/or scoffs at my fear of ending up on the street.


Zoomgroom
Comment posted August 17, 2010 @ 3:42 pm

It's really a nightmare, my grandfather, who was 9 during the peak of the Depression, said it's 1935 all over again, suicides and all. It doesn't seem that anyone in any leadership position anywhere in the world, except maybe Germany, has any idea of what to do. Horrifying.


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Comment posted August 17, 2010 @ 4:06 pm

Don't give in to this. This is what the government wants. Less mouths to feed, and less disgruntled voters. Instead, vote against anyone with incumbment next to their name unless they prove themselves worthy in the next few monyhs by supporting the unemployed the same way they did big buisness.


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Comment posted August 17, 2010 @ 4:16 pm

This is an amazing post. Ann Rand might not like it, but I do. Great article.


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Comment posted August 17, 2010 @ 5:10 pm

The saddest thing about this crisis is that unemployment gives you these numbers to call for help. 211 is a waste of time, they pass you off to welfare. when you call them you are told unless you are pregnant, blind, disabled or over 65 you do not QUALIFY for any program but food stamps. What the government is doing is called “POPULATION CONTROLL”. WHILE THEY HAVE ABUSED OUR CHILDREN, MURDER US OR ARE DOMESTIC VIOLATORS IN FULL EFFECT. They are getting away with it and will continue to do this until we are not a statistic anymore. More money for thier pockets. Watch Michael Moores movie. Everything they are doing is ok. THEY ARE ABOVE GOD AND THE LAW. BUNCH OF HEARTLESS BASTARDS.


Xtal3
Comment posted August 17, 2010 @ 5:13 pm

“Depressed persons tend to lose their jobs due to poor work performance”…
This is BS! I lost my job and was a top performer and far from depressed. I was a middle aged woman and a higher pay scale! It's been 18 months and I just graduated after going back to school… looking and no luck yet, but not depressed or abusing drugs or alcohol, quit the sterotyping, we have it hard enough to find a job!


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Comment posted August 17, 2010 @ 5:19 pm

Thank you Annie Lowery for your continued support and written description of the 99er community and the impacts of this recession.
Yesterday I was calling some of the homeless shelters in Denver to make sure they are aware of the add'l. 7 weeks of UI benefits claimants are now elgible to receive (bringing mx UI weeks in CO to 93) and asked that they let people know about this development if they aren't already doing so.

All of the shelters I talked to told me that they are so full that they're turning many people away each day/night.

The CO Coalition for the Homeless told me that they stopped taking applications (for 1st mo rent/deposit assistance) b/c they are backed up with over 1000 apps. The program is out of money and has been suspended; there is a 1-yr wait for families, 8-10 mo wait for single people…and Congress doesn't consider this a crisis situation. What happens when the temperature starts to drop and snow falls?


get real
Comment posted August 17, 2010 @ 5:47 pm

This should be mailed to Ed Shultz.


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Comment posted August 17, 2010 @ 5:53 pm

People that aren't raised in a higher upbringing tend to not know that there is a better, more opportunistic world out there. I'm thankful that I have work and take everything I can get because I'm afraid of dropping into that slump. In this tax bracket so few of us end up with marketable skills that will get us even a low-end job. And sure, we can all apply to McDonalds, but not every quick service joint in the country has job openings. Even places so low and minimum wage as gas stations or grocery stores are not likely to take applications.

As far as economics and depression, all of it is a trickle down. From up to a big company not being as profitable as last year to middle management being hard on their workers all the way down to people not being able to keep good physical/mental health and losing their job.


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Comment posted August 17, 2010 @ 6:28 pm

Print this out and send it to your local paper. Two or three if you can. We need to make everyone know that this is real and it is happening HERE. Only if we keep it in their faces will the gov. act.


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Comment posted August 17, 2010 @ 6:38 pm

I know the plight of the homeless, being 'one of them'. I have wished many times to die rather to go on suffering this bleak reality. I see hoardes of 'well-off' people passing me by as though I don't exist, too busy keeping themselves 'above' my petty problems. So what? so I am hungry.That's not their problem. I should be filled and go my way. It's probably my own fault….right?


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Comment posted August 17, 2010 @ 6:39 pm

I just learned that an arrest warrant was issued in July because I am not able to make payments n a misdemeanor traffic ticket. Since my UI benefits ran out in April, I have made several requests to the Court in person, over the phone, as well as in a letter to the Judge (in which I described in detail my financial situation), asking for more time to pay. I have been denied every request.
The public defender's office could not help me because this is a misdemeanor traffic case.

I've explained to the Court that I have had to sign release forms (credit, criminal background checks) – and am waiting to hear about a job I interviewed for not long ago. I explained again that if, in fact the employer runs my background check and sees an outstanding warrant I will almost certainly eliminated as a candidate. The Court has now made it so that I can not – or will not – be offered a job once a criminal background check is obtained by potential employers. The Court does not care.


Milton Friedman
Comment posted August 17, 2010 @ 6:42 pm

The long-range sloution to high unemployment is to increase the incentive for ordinary people to save, invest, work, and employ others. We make it costly for employers to employ people; we subsidize people not to go to work We have a system that increasingly taxes work and subsidizes nonwork. M F


Mcflowers44@bellsouth.net
Comment posted August 17, 2010 @ 6:44 pm

Ed Shultz know of this along with Al who was 58 his wife was disable and their son he left in a homeless shelter their was no room for him in the shelter One day Al gave his computer to another unemployed man who had sold his to buy milk for his baby Al then committed suicide
Ed Shultz has been helping the 99ers and working with all of us on the unemployed friends forum


student
Comment posted August 17, 2010 @ 6:45 pm

What a moving piece. My middle-aged father, who has lived with depression for decades, recently became unemployed. Stories like this make me fear for his long-term well being.

Good luck to everyone still searching for employment after all this time.


jkaren
Comment posted August 17, 2010 @ 6:54 pm

thank you putting a spotlight on this, with your beautifully written and poignant article.


hal
Comment posted August 17, 2010 @ 6:56 pm

“his wife left and evicted him”. i bet most people did not catch that. i know first hand that is exactly what is happening. no news to me.


Frustrated Sister
Comment posted August 17, 2010 @ 6:57 pm

I know I seem insensitive here, but I read this article with a sense of frustration. Suicide is the most selfish, cowardly act a person can commit. One never stops to think what it is doing to those around them, who love them.

“I almost caught my dad in time, maybe another 10 minutes and I could have saved him.” His child has to live with the pain and the guilt forever now. And Scott…what's happened to him is tragic but we've all heard it or lived it ourselves. Despite the many, many people who stepped forward to help him, he still seems only to care about himself and his (although painful) sitiuation that is still fixable. He doesn't care what it would do to the people who tried to help him, if he kills himself. He only cares about himself. And that's selfish…and cowardly. I'm sorry, but it's true. I know it's true because I lived through it myself.

Signed the sister of a brother who committed suicide


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Comment posted August 17, 2010 @ 7:00 pm

Sorry about the double post. Cannot find a way to delete the duplicate post.


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Selfish YOU
Comment posted August 17, 2010 @ 7:26 pm

@Frustrated Sister, if your father was in great physical pain instead of emotional pain, would you still call his choice to end his suffering a selfish act?

Selfish, cowardly? REALLY? Who are YOU to say how much pain is TOO MUCH?

Unrealistic, and selfish of YOU to expect your father in EXTREME PAIN to not END the PAIN.


hurricaneRae
Comment posted August 17, 2010 @ 7:33 pm

To Xtal3: The article is not claiming that all people who lose their job are depressed. It is saying that those who have symptoms of depression find it harder to perform their job.


Judge NOT
Comment posted August 17, 2010 @ 7:42 pm

Judge NOT those in our midst! You have NO RIGHTS to be the Master of another's Soul. Let those who have their own path be free to navigate the best that they can and bless them for the WHOEVER they are.
I have many friends that would be living under a bridge if it were not for some GOLDEN HANDSHAKE upon job ending, OR a nice “chuck” given to them in a WILL…..! How dare you !


Selfish You
Comment posted August 17, 2010 @ 7:44 pm

@Selfish Sister – you sound like Glenn Beck. Suicide is a decision made in response to EXTREME pain. Suicide is a natural response to UNBEARABLE PAIN.

Which person is selfish – one who chooses to end the pain they feel or one who demands that another person continue to suffer unbearable pain?


KW
Comment posted August 17, 2010 @ 7:45 pm

The irony of your comment is that it is all about you.

“Selfish…and cowardly” indeed.


Selfish YOU
Comment posted August 17, 2010 @ 7:50 pm

@Selfish Sister: I'm sure Glenn Beck and Republican politicians will soon be heard echoing your nonsense.


Selfish YOU
Comment posted August 17, 2010 @ 8:00 pm

@Selfish Sister – your comments are self-centered; you really think it's all about YOU when another person feels UNBEARABLE pain??

You discount Scott; claim everyone has felt the same pain he feels – insinuating that he just needs to FIX IT.

Fix the pain? How?


Selfish YOU
Comment posted August 17, 2010 @ 8:02 pm

@Selfish Sister: You don't just sound it – YOU ARE INSENSITIVE! So is Glenn Beck.


seriously
Comment posted August 17, 2010 @ 8:05 pm

There is actually a clinical case to be made the suicide requires extreme “courage” of sorts, since the person is overcoming one of our most primal instincts…the will to survive. Research also shows that one of the biggest factors impacting those who complete suicide is the belief they are a burdon to others. They believe that through death they will ultimately make it better for those they care about. It may feel selfish to those left behind, but due to the mental illness (yes, severe depression is an illness) they suffer from, these individuals think they are being selfless.


Matt
Comment posted August 17, 2010 @ 8:07 pm

Sad that it has come to this….the rich get richer while the middle class dies…

Thanks, Republican motherfuckers….


Msanonymous222
Comment posted August 17, 2010 @ 8:11 pm

Thank you, Annie, for this. Another member of Unemployed-Friends didn't make it. His name was Al. (He is referred to in your article). I wrote what is posted below on the day he died, and I sent it to Congress, to our President and to the media. About an hour after I wrote it, I learned that Congress was recessing a day early for the summer break. But I also learned that Unemployed-Friends posters decided to send it as well, tweet it and put it on their Facebook walls. It touched people deeply, as I imagine your article will do today and for many days. The end result, though, is that nothing seems to change. Our Congress introduces bills and leaves, and they will not be discussing a Tier V when they return. We are forsaken by social service agencies. We are forsaken by our government. And so my question remains now as it did previously: How many more lives will be lost before other living, breathing, desperate human beings are helped?

AL DIDN'T MAKE IT

This is the story of Al, one of those statistics you all talk about, one of the constituents you read letters from on the Senate floor, on the House floor:

“He did everything right: worked hard all his life, paid taxes, took care of his family, participated in his community. Then boom, one day he was laid off at age 58, and for more than two years after that could only find odd jobs here and there. Jobs he applied for had many people showing up to try to get the same 1 job. When he reached 99 weeks and lost his unemployment benefits, he lost his home, he put his disabled wife and son into a homeless shelter, he lived in his van, he suffered when the police confiscated his license plate due to nonpayment of the registration. (He later had his plate returned to him after a kind soul paid his registration fee.) Unable to drive the van for a time to seek work, he walked miles and miles, and prospective employers told him that he would not be hired because he was too old. Managers at both McDonald's and Wendy's told him that he was too old to work for them. The welfare office said he couldn't have food stamps without a mailing address. The homeless shelters that accept men told him they were full. He managed to hang onto his laptop and used it to email Congress and the White House to help the 99ers, but no one listened. Then one day last week, he gave his laptop away to a fellow jobless man who had just sold his own computer to buy milk for his baby, walked a few miles back to where his van was parked, and shot himself in the head.”—a fellow unemployed poster

Today we learned he is no longer with us. He was declared brain dead yesterday. His family courageously and most lovingly removed him from life support, and he died.

Sen. Casey, your constituent is gone. Sen. Specter, your statistic is gone. And his representative? Someone from your district has passed.

While all of you were aiming your slings and arrows at each other—you know, your good friends on the other side of the aisle—day after day, week after week, month after month, no one was noticing that many millions of Als were trying to live through one more day of heartbreak, terror, disgust, anger and a million other emotions—while attempting to find something to eat, someplace to sleep, and, yes, by golly, being chipper on that job hunt.

Today I'm not addressing this to Democrats. Today I'm not addressing this to Republicans. Today I'm not addressing this to an Independent. I'm not addressing it to your political beliefs, your deficit spending or not. I'm addressing this to each and every human being in Congress, and I'm putting you on notice that a man died—a 99er died—because no one moved fast enough to help him.

Do you know how many 99ers are near bottom right now—who don't know if they can stand one more day, or even one more hour, trying to hold on until financial aid comes to them? They are white collar, blue collar, degreed and not, many years of experience, just out of school, with families, alone, with lives they've had to just give up, lives that don't exist anymore in any way resembling “the old days” when they were proud to be employed.

We are grateful that a bill for the 99ers has been introduced. But I cannot physically fathom that you people are leaving, and leaving millions of needy people behind. By your return from your recess, there will be more Als who just. gave. up.

Do you know what it's like to be penniless? I do. I've been.

Do you know what it's like to watch your loved one die from a brain injury? I do. I've watched.

His family members and close friend Bruce have been in agony since July 27 because you didn't do something to help this man in time.

Do the honorable thing tomorrow. Don't recess. Stay. Fulfill your moral obligation. And if you didn't know you had a moral obligation as a member of Congress, then maybe you ought to consider another career, perhaps as an accountant, something which makes you accountable for money, but unaccountable for lives worth saving and lives worth living.

Today we should all be mourning. This was a life lost. Al wasn't your constituent. He wasn't your statistic. He was a living, breathing, desperate human being.

How many more lives will be lost before other living, breathing, desperate human beings are helped?


Abusive U.S. Congress
Comment posted August 17, 2010 @ 8:21 pm

Abandonment is abuse. U.S. Congress continues its abuse of people who are unemployed.


Ken in MN
Comment posted August 17, 2010 @ 8:50 pm

Read the sentence again: “Depressed persons tend to lose their jobs due to poor work performance” It did NOT say that people lose their jobs because they are depressed, so your own, anecdotal situation does not apply.


Ken in MN
Comment posted August 17, 2010 @ 8:55 pm

What a crock of #$%! It's that kind of economic theology that got us into this mess in the first place. No, my friend, we have a system that rewards a race to the bottom and outsourcing to low-wage countries. We had a system that protected domestic manufacturing and encouraged unionization and THAT led us from the Gilded Age of the 1920's to the largest, most prosperous middle class in human history. And the thinking of Milton Friedman and the implementation of that thinking by Reagan/Bush/Clinton/Bush destroyed that and brought back economic feudalism…


Direct Anger Outwards
Comment posted August 17, 2010 @ 8:56 pm

Depression is anger turned inwards. If you are unemployed, remember to direct anger OUTWARDS at those who have the power to immediately change circumstances of unemployed people for the better.


Direct Anger OUtwards
Comment posted August 17, 2010 @ 8:57 pm

Depression is anger turned inwards. If you are unemployed, remember to direct anger OUTWARDS at those who have the power to immediately change circumstances of unemployed people for the better.


Aro14
Comment posted August 17, 2010 @ 9:09 pm

Thank you for the insight into the reality of unemployment today. It is truly a sin that “our” government seems clueless as to the crisis we are experiencing in our country! How do we access the heart and souls in Congress and the White House to this plight in our nation??

This is nothing short of an emergency — as much or more than any past national development — and the intelligent, but heartless, among our politicians seem able to “hide” in plain sight! Dr. Phil often says: When people tell you who they are — b elieve them !

These are not “stories” but everyday, real life in America today… Shame, shame, shame


Callback
Comment posted August 17, 2010 @ 9:11 pm

Life endangering circumstances for millions of people who are unemployed could immediatley be changed for the better by passing the Americans Want to Work Act.

Congress must come back from campaigning and pass legislation for at least 20 additional weeks unemployment benefits.


devonnoll
Comment posted August 17, 2010 @ 9:14 pm

Hey, Milt- It is your economic policies that have led to the debacle this nation and the world are currently in, except of course for the crooks of Wall Street who pay you for your “expert” advice! You, sir, should shut up and let the rest of us find a way to repair the damage of your ideologically driven drivel posing as economics has done. You were, and are still, a complete idiot! Anyone who understands economics now realizes it – except for the neo-con followers of your drivel who have made their millions on your corrupt ideas. Thanks for nothing, Milt- may you rot in the same hell in which your ideas have sent the rest of us!


Maria
Comment posted August 17, 2010 @ 9:16 pm

“…it correlates: Depressed persons tend to lose their jobs due to poor work performance, and a few also commit suicide.”

How does this correlate? This seems absolutely out of sync with what the rest of the article is about. Are you sure you meant to include this? I thought the point of the article was that *unemployment* correlates with suicide.


tonysam
Comment posted August 18, 2010 @ 2:45 am

Being on UI or running out of UI has NOTHING to do with “poor work performance,” so quit peddling the lie that it is the person’s own shortcomings which led to unemployment.

Lots and lots of depressed people and people who commit suicide are still employed, by the way.


tonysam
Comment posted August 18, 2010 @ 2:45 am

Being on UI or running out of UI has NOTHING to do with “poor work performance,” so quit peddling the lie that it is the person’s own shortcomings which led to unemployment.

Lots and lots of depressed people and people who commit suicide are still employed, by the way.


tonysam
Comment posted August 18, 2010 @ 2:46 am

Well, some people here are saying that very thing–that it is the person’s own depression which caused their unemployment, and that is a LIE.


tonysam
Comment posted August 18, 2010 @ 2:46 am

Well, some people here are saying that very thing–that it is the person’s own depression which caused their unemployment, and that is a LIE.


tonysam
Comment posted August 18, 2010 @ 2:48 am

The fact is, people who are unemployed and collecting unemployment are collecting it through NO FAULT OF THEIR OWN, so people need to quit LYING that it is a person’s own shortcomings that created their own situation, including being “depressed.” This blaming the victim b.s. is getting old.


tonysam
Comment posted August 18, 2010 @ 2:48 am

The fact is, people who are unemployed and collecting unemployment are collecting it through NO FAULT OF THEIR OWN, so people need to quit LYING that it is a person’s own shortcomings that created their own situation, including being “depressed.” This blaming the victim b.s. is getting old.


Glogguy
Comment posted August 17, 2010 @ 9:56 pm

I paid my taxes and they used the money to destroy people's lives in Iraq and Afghanistan.


Jowgajen
Comment posted August 17, 2010 @ 10:33 pm

It's hard to think his wife would do that to him, but it's possible she had done all that she could do already. It's possible there was violence in the home. It's possible she did what she had to in order to survive herself. It's possible she's a selfish heartless princess. We have no idea what happened there.


Pamngene
Comment posted August 17, 2010 @ 10:43 pm

You need a place for us to forward this to both houses of Congress and all Presidents, still living. Where did they put our Country??? I have never been ashamed of my country, but my head is hung in shame now. Prayers and action are needed. IF THIS MOVES YOU, I HOPE YOU CALL THE WHITE HOUSE AND VOICE IT, LOUD & CLEAR Godspeed to my fellow Americans. We need to show these jerks in power what we are made of!! We want our Country back!!! Thank you and God Bless.


Tin Mann
Comment posted August 17, 2010 @ 11:02 pm

We bail out banks and businesses. We send relief overseas because of natural
disasters etc…we even host charity events for victims in places we never heard of but we can't help our own ? SHAME ON AMERICA and our leaders!!!


The Gov't hates America
Comment posted August 17, 2010 @ 11:05 pm

We should all send letters to the likes of Glen Beck and all those in the echo chamber and to the republican party telling them they are fired! If Gov't is supposed to be by the people for the people and of the people then why can't we fire congress and the senators and Glen Beck and all those stupid white mo.fos? I would love to torture Glen Beck in such a way that he is just begging like a poor blithering fool. F&*ck You Glen Beck and ALL those who think like you. People searching for work and are not being hired is not their fault! How dare everone who says go out and get a job. It ain't that easy. McDonalds hires Mexicans and requires anyone else to speak Spanish!


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Tinman
Comment posted August 17, 2010 @ 11:21 pm

And it is possible that after years she could no longer deal with his depression and the changes it brought about in him.


Tinman
Comment posted August 17, 2010 @ 11:45 pm

Fact: If you are unemployed and not making money somehow, you are not paying taxes now. Fact:The older you are the harder it is to get a different job. Fact: Social Security is running out of money – they need more people to die before filing for benifits.(sad but true).Fact: the more unemployed who die the less the government has to worry about. Fact: there are not enough jobs for all the unemployed and especially not enough good paying jobs.
This is not paranoia or a conspiracy theory – just FACTS.


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BoxxyGirl
Comment posted August 18, 2010 @ 12:11 am

What is wrong with all of you? Blaming Glen Beck or the republican party not only doesn't do anyone any good it is also total BS! Glen Beck is not an elected official and the republican party hasn't controlled congress for years!

If Barack Obama's campaign promises (aka. LIES) are to be believed, he should have started fixing things by now (ending the war, closing Gitmo, even “ending the Bush tax cuts” became “letting them expire” and has now turned into “maybe we should keep some of them…”) I thought the nation didn't want a third Bush term, but with Obama, that's exactly what we got!

Maybe if you had elected the much more qualified female candidate (HRC) or a businessman (Mitt) instead of some worthless lawyer (Barry) we would have had some job creation by now! Instead we have a Trillion dollar stimulus that Obama hasn't completely spent yet! WTF is he waiting for?

I hope Obama enjoyed his vacation, but if not I'm sure he'll have plenty more time off after these horrible 4 years are over.


Spotdawa
Comment posted August 18, 2010 @ 12:11 am

Unemployment doesn't necessarily *cause* suicide — the cause of the suicide may be depression, which also caused the unemployment. They lost the job because they were depressed and not performing well. So when they commit suicide, unemployment is correlated to the suicide — there's a relationship there — but the actual *cause* of the suicide is not unemployment, but rather depression. That's what was meant — who knows if it's a correct hypothesis? Statistics make me want to commit suicide myself.


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AdamL
Comment posted August 18, 2010 @ 12:30 am

Why, you're absolutely correct!

We should cut income taxes on the bottom 90% of the country (I'm not one, by the way) and immediately raise capital gains (unearned) taxes a great deal to compensate.


AdamL
Comment posted August 18, 2010 @ 12:44 am

I don't know what to tell you.

Speaking as one of those 'well-off' people (I'm more than one paycheck away from being kicked out of my apartment, though if I lost my job right now I'd probably be on the street in a month or two, since I don't have any living relatives), I walk by dozens of homeless people every day. It breaks my heart, but what am I supposed to do? I could hand out all my money to people on the streets of San Francisco, and still not make any difference at all.

I give money to a food bank. I volunteer sometimes, too. Sometimes I give out a few bucks. Like I said, I don't know what else I can do. It makes me sick, but there it is.


tonysam
Comment posted August 18, 2010 @ 2:33 am

You don't know what you are talking about. You pay federal taxes on UI to the tune of ten percent. I wouldn't be hearing from the IRS if it weren't true. If you have no UI and no income, then you don't pay taxes because there is no money. Social Security is NOT running out of money–that is a lie peddled by the likes of the Cato Institute and Concord Coalition, and they KNOW they are peddling this lie.


tonysam
Comment posted August 18, 2010 @ 2:35 am

Not true. People keep peddling a load of b.s. that the unemployed are this way because it is their fault. Not true at all.


tonysam
Comment posted August 18, 2010 @ 2:40 am

Of course the real one is dead, and his ideas should have died with him.


Nexusfast123
Comment posted August 18, 2010 @ 3:15 am

Lets hope you are never ill, homeless or unemployed or any combination of these things.


Tuscanyb450
Comment posted August 18, 2010 @ 3:19 am

Are you serious? Tell that to the homeless who once had a home; have lost or had to sell everything, their family in shelters or forced to live in tents because they cannot get a job and have run out of options and now the government (whom they payed taxes in) would rather give to foreign countries humanitarian relief rather than take care of those who paid into the system all their lives. Sad sad sad…


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The Dude
Comment posted August 18, 2010 @ 3:17 pm

I think you need to edjumicate your self.


Iamme99
Comment posted August 18, 2010 @ 4:35 pm

Until suicidal people start blowing themselves up in Washington D.C. as they do in Iraq or Afghanistan, politicians are not going to care or notice very much.

It's too easy to ignore the riffraff when you are worth millions of dollars, lunch with bankers and lobbyists, only have to show up for work maybe 150 days/year and so on.

We need to lop off some heads.


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Stop American Plutocracy
Comment posted August 18, 2010 @ 5:42 pm

Did you ever consider that being laid-off causes depression?

I was laid-off last November and I can tell you (as the breadwinner in the family) that the devastation one feels, especially those of us over 40, is impossible to accurately describe and IMO only those who have experienced it can understand the wide range of negative effects experienced by job loss (though no fault of your own).

Spotdawa, maybe, just maybe, the depression caused by the layoff then causes an increase in suicidality.


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Rideswithyeti
Comment posted August 18, 2010 @ 6:51 pm

Maria, although people who loose their jobs are are often very depressed, it does not explain the larger structural issues, such as a unregulated economy gone amok. Another hypothesis that can be empirically defined is what is called anomie suicide, which means a state of normlessness in society. This term was initially coined by 19th century sociologist, Emile Durkheim. This is a condition, I would think, that many of the unemployed fine themselves in.


Riedlmatt
Comment posted August 18, 2010 @ 7:05 pm

http://www.PrizeKings.com is a great place to make some extra cash. easy to use…all you need to do is setup a couple of extra email accounts at a free email host and then use them to fill out surveys (preventing you from getting spam on your personal email account).

That site helps supplement the loss of income.


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Sarah
Comment posted August 18, 2010 @ 8:07 pm

I refudiate this! Sarah…


DougHindman
Comment posted August 18, 2010 @ 8:42 pm

The reason most people are having so much trouble finding a job is the fact that they have been taught the least effective ways to look for a job (online ads, networking, recruiters).

I created a free job search website that shows how to contact key decision maker contacts within companies before the jobs are posted online.

It also contains free resumes, the 50 most frequently asked interview questions, and elevator pitches.

The free website is http://www.Jayobi.com/

I hope this will help you or someone you may know find a great new job!


Don
Comment posted August 18, 2010 @ 11:41 pm

There are no fucking jobs for the young or the old. No job, no money. What the fuck are you supposed to do ? Of course the pain and loss of self esteem are unbearable–and suicide shows up in all cultures, in all age groups, and races. On top of that, our soldiers are knocking themselves off as well. Great society huh./


ezwalker
Comment posted August 18, 2010 @ 11:44 pm

Don't blame Obama. The republicans started this mess.


ezwalker
Comment posted August 18, 2010 @ 11:45 pm

Social Security will be fine for another 30 years. Quit drinking the kool aid.


ezwallker
Comment posted August 18, 2010 @ 11:46 pm

Agreed. We have “W” to thank for this mess.


Rockerchic4God
Comment posted August 19, 2010 @ 1:02 am

I work for county mental health, and we are seeing a drastic increase in suicidal people in our crisis unit. Unfortunately, for situational depression that results from this crisis the globalists have deliberately created, there is not a lot we can do for them. Giving someone antidepressants is not going to get someone a job or feed their family. It's heartbreaking.


Tassie Devil
Comment posted August 19, 2010 @ 1:09 am

I just can't for the life of me understand the situation in the United States as far as Unemployment, Health Care (and loss of said) etc.

I am an Australian. Australia is NOT as rich as the USA is. Australia has only 22 million people or so in a land mass as big as mainland USA, and @ 7.8 million taxpayers who have to contribute to the huge infratstructure costs.

Yet, no-one is allowed to die as a result of job losses, as ALL have access to free hospital care for it takes. ALL have access to unemployment benefits for however long it takes.

We in Australia have recognised a long long time ago that a people free from the burden of losing everything thru sickness, are a happier more productive people. The same goes for losing one's job. I am not saying that foreclosures don't occur. They do, but it is minimal compared to what goes on in the USA.

We ALL also gert between 4 weeks to 6 weeks annual leave, so the production machine is not running in the red danger zone. The time off enables people to re-evaluate their lives and everyone is better off for it.

So, how can Australia afford to do this and the USA can't?????????
We are also in debt to the tune of @ 1. 38 trillion US dollars (which also is the value of what is produced in a full year).

Someone, please please explain to me what the heck is going on over there, in the supoposedly richest country on earth?


Tim72
Comment posted August 19, 2010 @ 2:41 am

Although I get where you are coming from, depression is a much more complex issue than what you think it is.

Perhaps you should do some more reading on the condition.


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Jetgraphics
Comment posted August 19, 2010 @ 3:39 am

The seeds of this disaster were planted many generations ago, when a lie was peddled to the masses: That the productive can be burdened for the benefit of another, and still expect prosperity.
Now, the tangled web of overhead, bureaucracy, inflation, debt, and red tape strangle productive enterprises and laborers.
No society can endure penalizing the productive and rewarding the non-productive.


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Serhw
Comment posted August 19, 2010 @ 3:18 pm

Fact, the corporations should be penalized for outsourcing jobs.
Fact, an unemployed person who pays child support is expected to keep paying high support and is threatened by loss of their drivers license if they cannot pay the full amount.


Serhw
Comment posted August 19, 2010 @ 3:21 pm

So you are saying that everyone who is unemployed lost their job because of depression?


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numricusier
Comment posted August 19, 2010 @ 5:12 pm

Im drowning in my tears….not. I have no sympathy for any of this as most of it is bullshit. The city I live in…a major city… there are more places for homeless and bums to eat and find shelter than there are hotels. If your gonna kill yourself because you cant find a job then you only wanted to kill yourself rather than do a job. The only sympathy I have here is for the children of these useless selfdistructive fools. The children dont have a choice. My God…if you cant find work after 90+ weeks of sucking on the government tit which those of us who are working pay for….by all means end it.


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numricusier
Comment posted August 19, 2010 @ 5:15 pm

Dude you are so much a moron…good luck with your non life


numricusier
Comment posted August 19, 2010 @ 5:21 pm

Most of the comments I read here are from whinny liberal assholes who cant take the idea that “you are where you are by the choices you make” Waaaa….I want my government tit…..I cant do it its too hard to be responsable….you make me wanna puke. Its all someone elses fault….they never gave me a break…I should have got that promotion….waaaaa….I want my mommy


Upyours
Comment posted August 19, 2010 @ 6:38 pm

I hope you loose your job. I hope you end up unemployed for a long period of time, and if you have children, I hope they suffer along with you.


Upyours
Comment posted August 19, 2010 @ 6:41 pm

I hope you loose your job. I hope that your family suffers along with you. Then I hope that you think about killing yourself.


Jerry
Comment posted August 19, 2010 @ 7:16 pm

Hey – numricusier – reality check… how secure are you in your own job? If you truly think you're untouchable and your job is secure… your self importance has completely blinded you to reality… the whole world economy is going to implode… and unless you're smarter than Gerald Celente or Peter Schiff (which you're not) you'd see what's coming and have a little more compassion on those who are presently (and only presently) less fortunate than you… don't worry, you'll be joining the rest very shortly…


timeisnigh
Comment posted August 19, 2010 @ 8:08 pm

The powers that be just want these people to disappear so they don't have to deal with them. It can't get any colder or crueler than that. I just wish those who get desperate would keep asking for help and forget their pride, because there are people still living in this world who want to help. I've read the Unemployed Friends forum, and that is one fine best of class forum. I'm fortunate because I'm getting social security and have some money saved, otherwise I'd be in dire straits the same as a lot of these folks. People need to organzie for their own benefit, the writing is on the wall.


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warriorwoman73
Comment posted August 19, 2010 @ 10:28 pm

Tough love won't work in this case, numricusier. Try a little empathy – you may need some back someday.


warriorwoman73
Comment posted August 19, 2010 @ 10:31 pm

Obama isn't the one who got us in this mess, Boxxy. You're projecting your vitriol at the wrong person.


Jay
Comment posted August 20, 2010 @ 2:33 am

What is a coyote/roadrunner moment? Remember the cartoon where the coyote is speeding down the road chasing the roadrunner and goes over the side of the cliff. While standing in midair he holds up a sign that says “bye bye”. Then he drops straight down into the canyon. That moment when he holds up the sign is what we are referring to. After many years of speeding down a road chasing the almighty dollar and ignoring and even shunning anything that has to do with God, America and yes, the world, seems to have a reached that coyote/roadrunner moment. It's not like there was no warning and I have great compassion for those who are hurting, even though I have been unemployed for nearly a decade myself. But as I watched the time approaching I wondered what it would be like when it actually got here. It would appear that it has arrived.


Don't Go Quietly
Comment posted August 20, 2010 @ 3:05 am

I didn't get laid off because I was depressed. I got laid off because the economy is depressed. Albeit, being called lazy and hobo by some in Congress who contributed to our country's downward spiral is somewhat depressing but more so than that it just really Pisses Me Off. I believe in karma and their time is coming. Hopefully sooner than later. I'm not contemplating suicide but if I were it would go down as a murder suicide. Something positive would come from my suicide. An eye for an eye. The unemployed did not draw first blood and therefore shouldn't be blamed for drawing the last. You can only push people so far giving them no choice but to push back in the face of injustice. Power to the People you have been forewarned!


sam
Comment posted August 20, 2010 @ 4:00 am

This is just another reason that we need to do something now, right now, to help 99ers. Do we really want more people to lose their homes? More people to go on food stamps? Or more suicides?
I've been hearing great job advice and discussions about unemployment issues on http://www.jobtalkamerica.com


Irwin Schwab
Comment posted August 20, 2010 @ 9:33 am

It isn’t Ann, it’s Ayn, pronounced like ein. Next time a randroid tries quoting the junkie bitch to you, correct their pronunciation. Or just shoot them.


Irwin Schwab
Comment posted August 20, 2010 @ 9:33 am

It isn’t Ann, it’s Ayn, pronounced like ein. Next time a randroid tries quoting the junkie bitch to you, correct their pronunciation. Or just shoot them.


Jeff
Comment posted August 20, 2010 @ 4:47 am

It’s pathetic and embarrassing that our very own have us in a position where some would take their own lives.

We must rally. Hang flyers. Organize. And be heard.

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I worked for the same company for 36 years. The company moved the entire line of business to another state…..I was laid off. This was not my choice to lose my job. When there are 5 applicants for every job and when employers do not want to hire the “aged” worker……..one remains unemployed. We're not whining, there are no jobs to be had. I'm in a 9% unemployment rate state. I search for jobs all the time and no one responds. If anyone is whiney, it's you. Man, you better hope you don't lose your job….your spelling is atrocious………and do you even know what punctuation is?


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Comment posted August 20, 2010 @ 10:23 pm

A depressed individual doesn't close a facility that employs a large number of people and moves it to China or Mexico. Wake up asshole.


Faeyth
Comment posted August 21, 2010 @ 5:07 pm

In the old days the Irish would sit in front of the doorstep of the landlord who was evicting them and starve to death,women used it during suffrage,and of course Gandi,If I lost my house and income and am suicidal I will stage a hunger strike in front of Congress.


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Comment posted August 21, 2010 @ 5:11 pm

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Jay
Comment posted August 21, 2010 @ 8:14 pm

BIBLE PROPHECY,
And in that day seven women shall take hold of one man, saying, We will eat our own bread and wear our own apparel; only let us be called by thy name, to take away our reproach.
Isaiah 4:1


Jay
Comment posted August 21, 2010 @ 8:24 pm

Isaiah 3:10-14
“Say to the righteous, that it shall be well with them; for they shall eat the fruit of their doings.”

“Woe unto the wicked! It shall be ill with him; for the reward of his hands shall be given to him.”

“As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they who lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths.”

“The Lord standeth up to plead, and standeth to judge the people.”

“The Lord will enter into judgment with the ancients of His people, and their princes; for ye have eaten up the vineyard; the spoil of the poor is in your houses.”

“What mean ye that ye beat my people to pieces, and grind the faces of the poor? saith the Lord God of hosts.”


Jay
Comment posted August 21, 2010 @ 8:43 pm

Kind of interesting Faeyth how it is that what goes around, comes around. As you said above, Women used this tool to gain the right to vote and then they voted in the likes of Obama who only brings more starvation to both men and women. The same goes for war. Women who have the majority of voters and always will, vote for the politicians who send men to war. I think we were better off before womens suffrage, back when America still had some common sense and decency. Now it's gonna be a free for all and the criminals will win for the next few years.


Jeff
Comment posted August 22, 2010 @ 12:44 am

Jay, stow the Jesus nonsense and right-wing babbling. People need real answers in this horrible situation not fairytales. Obama at least gave some people hope that might have gotten them through a few more months. I nearly had to place a dear friend of mine in protective custody two nights ago because he hasn't found a job in 2 years. Any of your right-wing, Jesus buddies around to help him? NO! You're a jerk.


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Fuck you scumbag asswipe


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Jay
Comment posted August 22, 2010 @ 3:57 am

So Jeff, does your buddy support Obama too? Don't get me wrong. Bush and Clinton are on the same team of New World Order, Global dictatorship advocates that Obama is on. But you can't help people who are willfully ignorant and determined to self-destruct if they don't repent. The problem is that they take the rest of the country down with them.

And if you don't have room in your life for Jesus Christ, then all of the poverty and troubles of this life will seem like paradise compared to where you are headed in the next life. And that's the truth.


Cat Callahan
Comment posted August 22, 2010 @ 11:12 pm

The people who CAUSED this problem and the ones benefitting from it couldn't care less about the suffering of others. I am amazed at how both political parties always emphasize how well or how badly the middle-class is doing-as if the poor don't matter. I am reminded how the desciples asked Jesus(Yashuah) when they had fed him and clothed him,etc. His reply? When you have done this to the LEAST of these, you have done this to me! He certainly didn't care what the politicians(Pharasees) had to say! My husband and I experience under-employment 26 years ago. We both have masters egrees and I wound up working in an electronics factory and my husband delivering pizza! Thankfully after 2 years, things changed very much for the better! All we had to do was move down the interstate 40 miles! In states like Michigan, things are so bad it staggars the imagination. But can I suggest a few things?(If you have tried these, God Bless you!)a. Don't hold out for the same amount of pay or a similar job to the one you lost. And don't expect to go from company A to Company B in the same area. Write down all your skills, interests, experiences and-so long as it is not illegal or immoral-consider ANYTHING! Trained as a lab tech? See if you can't wash glassware for a couple bucks less an hour!b. if things are too terrible, consider moving-especially if you know family or friends who think they can get you something-anything! Then move in together!(Or with all your family members who allow it. 6 people paying rent is cheaper than 2 paying the same amount! c. Don't go into further debt by going to school. Go to non-credit courses at your local community college and learn everything from photography to carpet-laying or dry walling and welding basics. $150 will get you enough courses in many places to get your foot in the door-especially if you move to a smaller place.d. Don't just think JOB-think of a simple buisness you can run from home or apartment! Can you repair bicycles or motorcycles? Or certain kinds of car repair? Can you do interior house-painting?Offer your services to apartment owners who have to prepare for new tenants! Also, look at candy-making, baking,and short medical jobs-EKG tech, Nurses Assistant, phlebotomist, ward clerk. And good Luck and God Bless!


Metalgoddess
Comment posted August 23, 2010 @ 1:06 am

Unfortunately the only choices we have is between Twiddle Dee and Twiddle Dum. So you choose the lesser of two evils. You think we would have been much better of with McCain? And what the hell does any of this have to do with my right to vote? Do you think every woman in America voted for Obama? Seems to me like you're a sexist which Christian Fundies usually are. This country was decent when women were treated like crap? Oh give me a break.


Jay
Comment posted August 23, 2010 @ 2:56 am

Metalgoddess, No, it was not every woman in the USA that voted for Obama, Clinton or Bush. But those are not the only elections we have in this country. Swooning at the feet of Clinton and Obama is simply a display of the gullibility factor of women and men who have been feminized and homosexualized. The fact is that women were not made to rule over men and that is exactly what happens when females are allowed to vote. There will always be more females than males. So if females have the right to vote, then they will rule over men. But only a society of homosexuals will allow women to have the right to vote. Once homosexuality and feminism take over a society, there is no turning it around. It is doomed to failure because feminism and homosexuality are one in the same. It's all just role reversal, ie… men acting like women and women trying to act like men. The idea of equality between the sexes destroys marriage and family because it takes away the roles that God assigned to men and women and confuses everyone. God ordained man to rule over his wife and women who have not been indoctrinated in witchcraft want a man to rule over them. Confusion is what stopped the construction at the tower of Babel and it is also what is destroying America and making it vulnerable to immorality from within while families disintegrate and the welfare mentality drains the public moneys. This is made possible because women vote for the politicians that promise the most welfare handouts for the arrogant and disrespectful females who find themselves without a husband because they either ran him off or else traded him in for a state welfare check. But sooner or later, the welfare dries up and people get hungry and really mean. Believe it or not, feminism was not the creation of women. It was designed by the Rockefellers in order to send women to work so that they could tax 2 incomes instead of just one and so that they could break down the American family and control people to their own desires. But they used the likes of Betty Freidan, Gloria Steinam and Eleanor Smeal to put their plan in motion. Go ahead. Type in Rockefeller feminism on a web search and see what you find. And no, I'm not offended that you have been sucked into Goddess worship. Jesus Christ can save you from the lake of fire too if you will repent and trust Him alone as your Savior.


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Carynverell
Comment posted August 23, 2010 @ 4:14 pm

pull weeds, pack a backpack and hit the road..become a hobo if ya got to…activate your brains and your muscles and get moving..sitting still willjust make you more morose, melancholic, and is a worthless activity. if you have enoughchange to buy a loaf of bread and a jar of peanut butter or whatever, make sandwiches and sell em..hell, if you get arrested for that maybe you will get to spend the night on a cot ina jail and have a hot meal.


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Comment posted August 23, 2010 @ 5:19 pm

It is staggering how little our Government cares for the millions of Americans who have lost everything due to the inept running of our country.


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Swami_Binkinanda
Comment posted August 24, 2010 @ 7:52 pm

You mean the government that can't do anything right, steals the money from our wallets, and forces people to stay on welfare at the expense of innocent and wildly profitable mega corporations? Why, government is the problem, not the solution. Reagan would have given this poor man a lecture about bootstraps and how he used to wear onions on his belt. We are living in a GOP corporate Christianity wonderland-who would question these kind of outcomes? Clap harder.


Swami_Binkinanda
Comment posted August 24, 2010 @ 7:53 pm

Someone's been watching too many Little Rascals episodes. Are you going to buy enough PB&Js from the nice homeless people to support them?


Swami_Binkinanda
Comment posted August 24, 2010 @ 7:56 pm

Are you Abe Simpson in your offline life? Or Ebenezer Scrooge?
If Obama had the courage of his advertised convictions he would push to raise taxes back to where they were under Eisenhower and get this country moving again.
Just say no to Fox News, Islamo-Republican Fascist propaganda.


Stewart
Comment posted August 24, 2010 @ 10:05 pm

What we need is more marketplace capitalism — that will solve this problem. But we have a Christan heart, we'll say a prayer for the loser dead.


Jay
Comment posted August 25, 2010 @ 4:14 am

So Swami, “Raise taxes back to where they were under Eisenhower???” Is that kind of like going back to the good old days of freedom and private property ownership in the old Communist Soviet Union??? Or is it more like the good old days in Nazi Germany when Hitler made everyone be nice to the Jews??? Please, tell us what else do you know about the Eisenhower era???


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Comment posted September 3, 2010 @ 2:27 am

Wow, thanks, jerk. I had to take time off work for eye surgery. Recovery time was a month. After that month I was ready to return to work only there was no more position for me. My company had changed my employment status from full time to less than part time because of the time I'd had to take off. Meanwhile, my insurance was canceled, the follow up surgery so I could actually SEE out of my eye was something I couldn't afford out of pocket, so now I have an eye that is useless (and necessary in the line of work I'd been doing). Because my employment status had been changed to less than part time, and I live in California, a state which is pretty broke itself right now, I didn't qualify for unemployment. I can't get Medical or Medicaid because, despite being a diabetic, it is not considered a disability, so I can't get needed surgery on my eye, I have to find a way to pay for insulin so I don't die. Yeah, I'm a whiny liberal. Waaaah, help me to not die! Help me to be able to see! Waaaah. Oh yeah, and I asked to be laid off, forgot that part.


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singlemom
Comment posted September 9, 2010 @ 3:32 pm

Jay, God made man to rule over woman. My mother was raised in this belief as well. She submitted to her husband while he physically and sexually abused his daughters. She raised me in this belief as well though it did me little good the day my husband walked out on my two children and myself. With no self esteem or sense of identity, I had to work three jobs to support my family while in nursing school full time. I promised myself that never again would I submit myself completely to any man. If you have daughters, I pity them. Thank you God for all the gifts you've given me. Among these are the right to vote, a good mind, a strong body and the wisdom to know that I am a partner and asset to my mate, not a servant.


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guest
Comment posted September 14, 2010 @ 8:08 pm

there is no hell.. because we live in hell on earth. In the christian sect aren't all men suppose to be created equal? If you ask me it is the christian mentality that produces in this world, the haves and have nots. The christian god shows favorites. One is born with a silver spoon in their mouth, while another is born in toil. So don't bring this christian jibber fabber to this forum. People are concerned about their well being and for their family. All they are trying to do is feed, cloth, and put a roof over their families heads. The gov't needs to just realize this. These people were all hard workers at one time. It was the gov'ts selfishness and greed that got us into the boat we are on right now, and the damn boat is slowly sinking.


guest
Comment posted September 14, 2010 @ 8:17 pm

EXCUSE ME???? what planet are you from you dip? Sounds to me like you need to go back to the country you came from which is Iraq or Iran. I bet your daddy beat you everyday! And if this is what your so called Christian up bringing has taught you, I feel really sorry for you. I am a Pagan, where we practice non violence, non prejudice. After reading your thoughts, I am so glad I turned my back on the christian religion. I would not want to be in the same room with you. Your thoughts disgust me. And if there was a hell, I think you would be heading that way. All people must be tolerant of other people. That is what is going to ' SAVE ' us. not your so called holy man.


Alex
Comment posted September 15, 2010 @ 11:40 am

…Eistein..these are people who are at the very end of the rope – homeless, broke and emotionally fragile – did you not “get” the gist of the article? I am also a recruiter for a temp agency – and stating that my career is “ineffective” is a flat out lie. If you WANT to work, I'll find you work – GUARANTEED. Often, people STATE they wish to work, but when push comes to shove do nothing to show up at assignments and diligently WORK. We are STILL the wealthiest country in the world and if we are in tough shape-just imagine how the rest of the world is like…Latin America, Africa, Asia, Spain (at 20%) unemployment!


Alex
Comment posted September 15, 2010 @ 11:56 am

“And if you don't have room in your life for Jesus Christ, then all of the poverty and troubles of this life will seem like paradise compared to where you are headed in the next life”. How the hell can you be so sure? you DONT KNOW, I DONT KNOW, NOBODY KNOWS…otherwise, there wouldn't be so many opinions on who the true God is (is it Mohammed, Buddha?, Hindu deities?) or simply NONE…We are all afraid of dying and inevitably try hard to come up with some answer to our life's purpose, what's the meaning of it all? WHY? Jesus is not going to save you from your mortgage payment, child support and he will definitely not feed you. STOP being delusional and focus on the pain and true suffering that most americans are going through..where is god in all this pain? i.e- nowhere to be found


Alex
Comment posted September 15, 2010 @ 12:15 pm

“feminism was not the creation of women. It was designed by the Rockefellers in order to send women to work so that they could tax 2 incomes instead of just one and so that they could break down the American family and control people to their own desires” ARE YOU KIDDING ME??? Americans are going homeless and losing their jobs daily..EINSTEIN…DESPITE..two household incomes..YOU ARE LIVING IN THE 1940'S..UNBELIEVABLE. IF WE CAN'T EVEN MAKE IT ON DUAL INCOMES, HOW THE HELL DO YOU EXPECT FOR ONE HOUSEHOLD INCOME(S) TO EXIST? .. ROCKEFELLERS HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT…IT IS SIMPLY CALLED N.E.E.D. IMAGINE THAT! A NEED TO WORK FOR COUPLES TO STAY AFLOAT. How far has trusting in God gotten the unemployed, the suicidal, the homeless?? you are truly delusional, get some help and stop believing fairy tales that have nothing to do with most Americans' pain…your so called “lake of fire” is here: diminishing paychecks, rise in the cost of education, etc etc etc. “repent” of what?…if you re going to feel “guilty” (you sound catholic) my advice: dont do it – period. i.e- common sense


Alex
Comment posted September 15, 2010 @ 12:38 pm

I have to somewhat reluctantly AGREE. I was unemployed for six months, but the moment i lost my job, I QUICKLY got off my butt every morning (5.00 a.m.) and worked til (10.00 p.m.) for weeks searching for work until i finally landed a job. My search relied on every single imaginable approach: networking, job boards, recruiters, walk ins, etc NO I am not making what I was making before, but I am thankful of at least be receiving a paycheck. Go figure…I am currently a recruiter for a major temp agency and the thought that working with recruiters “doesn't work” is a flat out lie- it does work! If you are willing to work, I'll MAKE SURE you do so. Often though, people rather remain on unemployment, dont show up, have a million excuses or simply perform poorly..I do believe that if you can't find a job after a year, you are carrying out your search in the WRONG way or are simply becoming a victim of the circumstance at hand..feeling sorry about yourself and/or not moving fast and/or in an effective productive job search, will inevitably lead to suicide. WAKE UP and take hold of the situation, before the situation takes control of you. SORRY if after a year you can't find employment – you are approaching it the wrong way and/or your expectations are too high and/or you really dont want to work! there's no reason the american taxpayer should support you after 12 months


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you are such a jerk! I had been employed in my field for over 25 years when I was laid off. I have applied for everything, not just in my field, but everything! Minimum wage jobs- they won't hire me because I am overqualified- my field- they want younger, brand new grads because they won't question the low, low wages the employers are offering- and I have said I don't mind starting at the low, low wage to prove myself. We are not just sitting around feeling sorry for ourselves- we make ourselves get up and try every day- for just over the past two years for me- and it's rejection after rejection. Before all this happened- I got offered every job I interviewed for. Now, even though it seems like the interviews go great (form my past experiences and my HR background), I never hear back, or they found someone with MORE education (which like I said, is actually code for brand new, younger grads). I made pretty decent money when I was working, and you have to put what you made on the applications. That kills it when you are applying for a 12/hr job doing the same thing you did at 30/hr. I will take a minimum wage job, I'm not too good or too proud! I haven't made minimum wage since I was in high school, 30 years ago- but I would be very happy if I could get one now. Don't give us this crap that we did this to ourselves. You obviously have never been in a situation like this- and neither had I until now. I never thought this would happen to me! I don't drink, I'm wasn't depressed before, but I tell you, I am now depressed. It gets harder everyday to send out those resumes, but I do it. It gets harder to hear nothing or get rejections, but I still do it. Thank goodness for the unemployed friends site- because so many of us feel so alone because of jerks like Jay and numricusier above and their hateful spewing about things they know NOTHING about!


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I have registered at every temp agency around- they haven't come up with one single job for me! I have over 20 years of payroll, accounting and HR experience- I have done the assessments and did VERY WELL- I said I would take ANYTHING- a data entry job, I key over 10,000 keystrokes per hour alpha/numeric- NOTHING! I see the same jobs posted day after day- then you click on them, and it says the job is no longer available. I have several friends in the same boat- not one call for even one temp job! The recruiters make me come in, interview, test, give references (which they check and are impressed by) then, I hear NOTHING. I check in every day, NOTHING. Do you guys get commission just for bringing people in? Because from my and others personal experience, no one is getting any type of work, no matter how experienced we are!


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Maybe it's time to take away the stigma around suicide. It may be the only option left.


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I am suprised at how quiet the press is about this issue. They may be concerned of normalizing suicide. We had several head on collisions on interstate highways recently that were obviously suicide. I know one of them and he had lost his job and a family business. I think some do it to provide life insurance to their families (suicide is only excluded fro 1 to 3 years).


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Funny…you seem to be talking about a healthy thirty or forty something person there….many of the unemployed are deemed unemployable due to their age or disabilities…nice try.


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Thank you for writing this article!! I am a member of unemployed friends forum and remember that day well. the swift action and show of concern was so over whelming to see. It was refreshing to see so many people cared so much for someone who they never met in person. This site is a godsend to the unemployed.


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This article is so sad, can you imagine what you have to be going through to commit suicide. These people are consistently running into road blocks, they are not even drug addicts, they have families and were hard working people. It’s sad to see people come to an end like this. Its time for people to keep faith in God and remember him day and night for his blessings. Faith is the only thing left. Waheguru.


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This article is so sad, can you imagine what you have to be going through to commit suicide. These people are consistently running into road blocks, they are not even drug addicts, they have families and were hard working people. It’s sad to see people come to an end like this. Its time for people to keep faith in God and remember him day and night for his blessings. Faith is the only thing left. Waheguru.


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I lost my husband to divorce, my son to suicide, my other son to devastaion. I lost my home I took pride in for 30 years. I can’t get a job I will be 60 next month. I think about how to do it all the time.


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and if they find a job the “Ones” they say they care about will be a forgotten memory…. please that is THE most superficial WEBSITE on the internet….

It sucks that the man killed himself… Did anyone from unemployed friends find out what state he was in and call the police just to tell them this man was suicidal or find out what kind of vehicle he was driving… OR DO anything? no just sat there until he popped himself and then convey condolences to the poor man’s widow…

Point is that website is pure BS and superficial… And I have no idea why it is mentioned in the article… The man should be the center of the article.


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I am middle-aged and can’t find a job even with 2 college degrees. I think corporations, the government and society at large would love to see me commit suicide. I think about it frequently, but then it would give all those fuckers a reason to laugh, so I motor on.


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Well, darnit, i accidentally liked this. Pressed the wrong button. But anyway, you know nothing about those people. You and Jay should stop judging those in pain around you and take a good long look at yourselves.


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I too have been unemployed for the last 19 months I am 59 years old my unemployment benefits are now gone. I filed for bankrutcy, lost 2 of my kitties one to cancer one to diabetes. I am penniless, friendless, and no realations to help me. My son never calls me and has just as soon forgot about me. And I am so depressed I do not know what to do. I am scared and alone and no one I mean no one gives a crap. Yes I am just like thousand of others – but when these co operations lay people off it is for their own greed and they give no more thought tothe people they lay off than the dirt under their shoes.


Honorable4
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and oh by the way I think about killing myself every minute of every day – I just don’t know how to do it and would rather use pills.


Honorable4
Comment posted February 18, 2011 @ 8:33 pm

good for you alex, but I too did the same thing I awoke up every day went to every website applied to every job imaganiable whether I was qualified or not. I did not care I didn’t care if I was making the sam amount of money I just wanted a job so if people are doing it the wrong way why don’t ou enlighten us and tell us the right way.


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you are an asshole


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There is plenty of ‘consumption’ going on in the economy to provide everyone’s needs and then some, the available work (and income) just needs to be more equally distributed.

What people can do at the individual level:
http://pastebin.com/Wy8B0hK9

One-Step Plan to Eliminating Unemployment

Background:

“Since the recovery began in June 2009 following a deep 18-month recession, “corporate profits captured 88 percent of the growth in real national income while aggregate wages and salaries accounted for only slightly more than 1 percent” of that growth.”
The Wageless, Profitable Recovery – NYTimes.com

“18. Which comes closer to your own view? 1) The federal government should spend money to create jobs, even if it means it has to borrow the money to do so, OR 2) The federal government should not spend money to create jobs and should instead focus on lowering the country’s debt.”
6/24-28/11
Gov’t should spend money – 42%
Gov’t should not spend money – 52%
Don’t know/not applicable – 6%
NYT/CBS opinion poll

“Most employees, about 76 percent, said they are willing to take a pay cut . . . And among those who are out of work, 88 percent said they would take less in salary in order to land a job.”
Most workers willing to take a pay cut: poll – Business – Personal finance – Careers – msnbc.com

Step one: President Obama announces that due to the high level of unemployment and lack of consumer demand, companies should feel justified in reducing their payroll costs by lowering the wage rate for all employees working full-time, but giving employees the option of retaining the original wage rate by working less time. This will allow companies to make new hires at lower wages than current employees while retaining skilled workers if consumer demand for the company’s products increases. Companies that feel they are profitable enough can leave wages and salaries the way they were, but still give the choice of an increased wage rate for those who want to work less. This would be a permanent change in how wages work, a direct opposite of the overtime pay system.

Or it can be a law, and businesses can choose to either have lower payroll costs or give pay raises to their employees to prevent them from quitting.

While this does increase the number of people on a company’s payroll, the reason it will improve the economy is that people won’t feel they need to buy high-priced status symbols from corporations, and will instead spend more of their money at smaller, local businesses. This allows money to circulate within the economy, creating jobs, instead of being captured and stored by a small number of very profitable corporations.

Three Arguments – Pastebin.com
Detailed explanation of causes

[boring]
The economics profession needs to realize the obvious: economics is the distribution of scarce resources, and in the present world consumer demand for consumption of products is scarce, meaning that the work required of society is also scarce. Since in non-communist societies income is directly related to work done, economics has the responsibility of understanding the allocation of scarce amounts of work.

A 9.2% unemployment rate and 5 unemployed for every job vacancy does not demonstrate an acceptable understanding of this basic concept. Either there must be a resolution that society should create larger amounts of “work” that do not increase the standard of living as defined by the choices of people who refrain from spending their money, or the economic profession should accept that the goals of people place an upper limit on the total amount of work society feels it is necessary to do, and should advise policymakers on ways to distribute this work fairly among the able population.

Anyone who cares about the inevitable consequences that result from the unequal distribution of work, who feels that these consequences are “destructive” or indicative of “a true moral failure“, should consider which of these choices is superior instead of contemplating the future in a fruitless morass of indecision. (MMI)
[/boring]

tl;dr: Work less and spend less


Misaki
Comment posted August 16, 2011 @ 4:06 am

There is plenty of ‘consumption’ going on in the economy to provide everyone’s needs and then some, the available work (and income) just needs to be more equally distributed.

What people can do at the individual level:
http://pastebin.com/Wy8B0hK9

One-Step Plan to Eliminating Unemployment

Background:

“Since the recovery began in June 2009 following a deep 18-month recession, “corporate profits captured 88 percent of the growth in real national income while aggregate wages and salaries accounted for only slightly more than 1 percent” of that growth.”
The Wageless, Profitable Recovery – NYTimes.com

“18. Which comes closer to your own view? 1) The federal government should spend money to create jobs, even if it means it has to borrow the money to do so, OR 2) The federal government should not spend money to create jobs and should instead focus on lowering the country’s debt.”
6/24-28/11
Gov’t should spend money – 42%
Gov’t should not spend money – 52%
Don’t know/not applicable – 6%
NYT/CBS opinion poll

“Most employees, about 76 percent, said they are willing to take a pay cut . . . And among those who are out of work, 88 percent said they would take less in salary in order to land a job.”
Most workers willing to take a pay cut: poll – Business – Personal finance – Careers – msnbc.com

Step one: President Obama announces that due to the high level of unemployment and lack of consumer demand, companies should feel justified in reducing their payroll costs by lowering the wage rate for all employees working full-time, but giving employees the option of retaining the original wage rate by working less time. This will allow companies to make new hires at lower wages than current employees while retaining skilled workers if consumer demand for the company’s products increases. Companies that feel they are profitable enough can leave wages and salaries the way they were, but still give the choice of an increased wage rate for those who want to work less. This would be a permanent change in how wages work, a direct opposite of the overtime pay system.

Or it can be a law, and businesses can choose to either have lower payroll costs or give pay raises to their employees to prevent them from quitting.

While this does increase the number of people on a company’s payroll, the reason it will improve the economy is that people won’t feel they need to buy high-priced status symbols from corporations, and will instead spend more of their money at smaller, local businesses. This allows money to circulate within the economy, creating jobs, instead of being captured and stored by a small number of very profitable corporations.

Three Arguments – Pastebin.com
Detailed explanation of causes

[boring]
The economics profession needs to realize the obvious: economics is the distribution of scarce resources, and in the present world consumer demand for consumption of products is scarce, meaning that the work required of society is also scarce. Since in non-communist societies income is directly related to work done, economics has the responsibility of understanding the allocation of scarce amounts of work.

A 9.2% unemployment rate and 5 unemployed for every job vacancy does not demonstrate an acceptable understanding of this basic concept. Either there must be a resolution that society should create larger amounts of “work” that do not increase the standard of living as defined by the choices of people who refrain from spending their money, or the economic profession should accept that the goals of people place an upper limit on the total amount of work society feels it is necessary to do, and should advise policymakers on ways to distribute this work fairly among the able population.

Anyone who cares about the inevitable consequences that result from the unequal distribution of work, who feels that these consequences are “destructive” or indicative of “a true moral failure“, should consider which of these choices is superior instead of contemplating the future in a fruitless morass of indecision. (MMI)
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tl;dr: Work less and spend less


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