What Does the Border Security Bill Mean for Comprehensive Immigration Reform?

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Friday, August 06, 2010 at 4:43 pm

Last night, the Senate, by unanimous consent, passed a bill approving $600 million in emergency funding to increase security along the U.S.-Mexico border. After passing the bill, Democrats hinted they hope to see more cooperation with other reform efforts.

“I’m for comprehensive immigration reform,” Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.), who introduced the bill, said yesterday. “But we’ve always said we should do border security first. This is border security first.”

Republicans have repeatedly said they will not support comprehensive immigration reform measures until the border is secured. But don’t count on dramatic change from the border’s bill passage: advocates for immigrants rights and for tougher enforcement said they do not expect the debate on immigration to change significantly.

“You can make the argument that it can reinforce the Obama administration efforts to disentangle the border issues from the immigration issues, but that’s probably not how it’s going to play out,” Mary Giovagnoli, director of Immigration Policy Center, told TWI. “When you see actions like this at the end of a session, you can bet it’s more politics than policy that’s driving their decisions.”

Giovagnoli said she does not expect the bill to help the comprehensive immigration reform effort, but that it could help pave the way for senators who previously supported reform, such as Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), to re-enter discussions.

But an enforcement advocate said the bill would “not going to have any effect” on support for other immigration reform measures, such as paths to citizenship for some of the illegal immigrants already living in the U.S.

“If that’s what [Democrat leaders] had in mind, they’re going to be disappointed,” Mark Krikorian, executive director of the pro-enforcement Center for Immigration Studies, told TWI. “The border hasn’t been secured, they just passed a piece of legislation. Until border control measures have been not only legislated but fully litigated, you can’t even start a discussion on legalization.”

Republican senators have not yet indicated whether the bill will change their minds on comprehensive reform legislation. (Spokesmen for Graham, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell and Sen. John McCain did not respond to requests for comment.) But a spokesman for Majority Leader Harry Reid did not seem to expect the bill to change the stalemate over immigration reform. “I think they have made it pretty clear that they are not interested in dealing with immigration this year,” spokesman Jim Manley wrote.

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Steve Miravelli
Comment posted August 6, 2010 @ 9:13 pm

When this Big IN-SIDE nation of immigrant, 12,000,000 or much more!!!,start to put fire on car over street, and building, stop work evere where,make raly and urban desord for all Unidat States, like France years ago, may be, we get Immigration Reform. This is America Culture, we need somy body hit us for learn some thing about the life.


ValleyVixon
Comment posted August 6, 2010 @ 9:47 pm

We are not France and the revolution was in the late 16 century started by the PEOPLE of France against the political regime of their times. So your saying that the 12 million plus illegals in the United States will set fires and kill, us the citizens of the United States? I just want to make sure I read your comment correctly? If threats are your way of pleading your case I don't think you are the right representative for reform. First let me advise you that Americans are basically very nice people, we have issues and foibles and we don't always agree on things. But I will let you know that if any group of illegals living on our land, in our home towns or cities attacks us, it won't matter if we like each other or not! WE ARE CITIZENS OF OUR UNITED STATES AND WE WILL UNITE AND DEFEND TO THE DEATH OUR COUNTRY. Be very careful what you say, because we are a very dangerous people if provoked.
Our fighting in the Middle East is a political game, if you attack my neighbor it won't matter if I like him or hate him, I will stand up and fight for him. So be very very careful how you phrase your comments. Don't think the American people are like the Washington politicians. Don't confuse our kindness to others as weakness. As a favor please forward this to your like minded friends. By the way we are not A culture we are a diverse and very strong country made up of many cultures contributed by LEGAL immigrants from all over the world.


Joelwisch2
Comment posted August 6, 2010 @ 10:02 pm

But an enforcement advocate said the bill would “not going to have any effect” on support for other immigration reform measures, such as paths to citizenship for some of the illegal immigrants already living in the U.S.
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I seriously wonder if this is enough money, but .if .it .is .not, the question remains until there IS enough money, will the United States control its southwestern border, will the Mexican Mafia control the southwestern border, or will a corrupt Mexican Government in conjunction with the Mexican Mafia control the U.S. southwester border? Thank you Congress.

And the idea of legalizing anyone from Latin America is incredibly dumb. The Latin Americans were forging our documents through the whole period when Congress was wiggling its little hands saying .. actually.. come on in folks. The border is open. NOW, now Congress and Obama tell us it will cost us 800 billion to legalize the illegal aliens (more likely 2.6 trillion) and they want us to pay for it.

That is ..incredibly.. offensive.


B_tajee
Comment posted August 6, 2010 @ 10:39 pm

I agree with ValleyVixon

I am pro immigration reform. I, myself am a naturalized US citizens and as much as I support the immigration reform I will not hesitate to stand up against destructive behavior aimed at this great nation. I took an oath to serve and protect America and I intend to do so in case anyone gets any stupid ideas.

Steve Miravelli you are so wrong in so many levels. It is people like you that give the “illegal” immigrants the bad name. People like you who S*** where they eat are the ones that should be deported (and I don’t care if you are here legally or illegally.) Don’t identify yourself with the hard working and honest people that really love this country and want to build a life here.
Shame on you


Rolfy
Comment posted August 6, 2010 @ 10:58 pm

You know what, you are RIGTH!! and Im waithing for my papers, Im not Us citizent yet but this is America, even do Im not from this country, my childrens are USA Americans and I can give my life for them and for this country.


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Ferdinand
Comment posted August 7, 2010 @ 1:02 am

SHAME on you people who demagogue the discussion for immigration reform. Haven't you realized most of the topics in the net regarding these immigrants are originating from FAIR, Krikoran himself, supremacists and know nothings? You allow yourselves to be carried by hate, instead of weighing on real facts. Think what happens to these country if all of them leave. Think, otherwise we will all be called as dumb asses by the educated immigrants. We know how to talk english for sure, but not the real english as we have known The British mocks our english and yet we tell all other immigrants to speak like us, like our slang language. Think about our country, not our color or our rotten party enslaved by Tea not grown on english speaking soil.


Ferdinand
Comment posted August 7, 2010 @ 1:12 am

And the only answer you give for reform is Amnesty??????? Do you people know what the word amnesty is? My God, ask the grade school kids and they know it is absolute pardon, ask the Asians who are studying english and they will tell you it is forgiveness of sins without penalty. Ask Americans who travel internationally and they will tell you Americans know nothing about word meanings, but they know how to converse in english literally by instinct. Shame on you all bloggers who think you know everything about our immigration laws.


ozzy
Comment posted August 7, 2010 @ 1:20 am

no time for wait 2010 almost over:(


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Shadow_39
Comment posted August 7, 2010 @ 1:43 am

thats okey if there not gonna do it let see if they need our vote we will tell them were not ready to vote for them there just full of BS there already here and if they pay taxes it will help the economy do the math if there smart


Juanx13
Comment posted August 7, 2010 @ 1:52 am

The half bred ogre mark krikorian is not even a senator, he is the leader of a HATE group(Center for Immigration Studies) so why interview him in a serious issue like this?


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Comment posted August 7, 2010 @ 4:33 am

hmm…something smells fishy in this comment…looks like someone's really trying to fan the hate for immigrants here. the wording just does not sound authentic…


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Border security does not mean placing enforcement officers on the border which won't work. Removing the reason people endanger their lives to cross such as mployers wanting a cheap labor force to exploit.will significantly reduce the problem.


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Annalace07
Comment posted August 7, 2010 @ 7:40 am

In reference to : And the idea of legalizing anyone from Latin America is incredibly dumb. The Latin Americans were forging our documents through the whole period when Congress was wiggling its little hands saying .. actually.. come on in folks. The border is open. NOW, now Congress and Obama tell us it will cost us 800 billion to legalize the illegal aliens (more likely 2.6 trillion) and they want us to pay for it.
Excuse me but do you know who pays immigration fees? The immigrant and their families. I am looking at about 9 grand in lawyer fees and there is no guarantee that my husband will be able to come back from the embassy in Mexico after his appointment due to that fact that he has resided here illegally more than 180 days. Becaus of that he is banned for 10 years without the 601 waiver. So don't sit there and cry about paying for immigrants visas. I am a born citizen and I fell in love with him for the person he is not his status as a citizen. My bad, no I AM PAYING FOR IT! And there all millions more like me and we will pay to fix their status however, many of us don't want to risk our loved ones being deported for 3 or 10 years. So millions of us are waiting for THOSE laws to change. Name the price and most of us will borrow from every family member we know to fix the status of our loved one. People are scared. All they wanted was a better life. I went to the rancho where my husband is from. I took my seven month old daughter to meet her grandparents, my husband could not go, he is illegal. I wanted them to see their sons child. I love my husband and I have seen the poverty in which he came from. The ranch, not town, that he is from ranges from mud houses, and brick houses. They have no running water. The army paroles down the road several times a day looking for drug dealers, and I say this because I have seen it. Three months ago my inlaws neighbors were robbed and shot down the road from their house. If my husband is deported, what do I do? Say see you in 10 years cause I am not living there! Oh, he will miss 10 years in our childrens lives (3 and 1 year old girls). Yeah, who needs immigration reform. It can wait…. Like we all have so much of it.


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Abimael21
Comment posted August 7, 2010 @ 8:12 am

being in the country illegally is a civil infraction similar to a speeding ticket.
so if people want to treat immigrants as criminals for a civil infraction than minus well treat people that get speeding tickets as criminals as well.

Immigration enforcement will not work by beefing the border with more agents or technology changing the 14th amendment language wont either.

The problem lies with the immigration system itself. people that actually want to come here legally face many obstacles is not like you can just go to and get a visa or permission to come here that easily.

half of illegal immigrants cam here trough visas but over stayed their time.

instead of democrats submitting to republicans they should say if we get no immigration reform you don't get border enforcement.


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Jen
Comment posted August 7, 2010 @ 12:00 pm

Last time I checked, illegal meant “against the law”. If an individual is against the law… it's a crime and should be dealt with.

Why is that so hard to follow and understand?


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Guest
Comment posted August 7, 2010 @ 2:04 pm

re:”My bad, no I AM PAYING FOR IT!”

I'm glad you learned from your mistake. You, and the “millions more like” you SHOULD pay for your actions. You never should have chosen to harbor a fugitive. We have limits on immigration for a reason… we can't expand our infrastructure fast enough to accomodate that many people that quickly. You complain that his home town has “no running water,” yet there are towns in California that run out of water every year because of overpopulation, directly caused by illegal immigration. If two legal residents marry, and start a family, our nation can provide a good life for their children. If those same two legal residents marry two illegal residents and start two families instead, they produce 3 times as many children, on average, for whom we cannot possibly provide the basic necessities (like running water.) You're basically replicating the situation your husband was born into. Marrying an illegal alien is just like marrying any other fugitive — you need to expect them to be brought to justice some day.


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Davidreyez
Comment posted August 7, 2010 @ 6:41 pm

If Native Indians were the first people in this country, then why all of a sudden we have white Americans speaking their mouths off about illegal immigrants in general and how they should be deported. I will not hold you ignorant, but if hats the case then maybe they should be deported back to their native lands as well. Fact of the matter is Indians were first here and I don't see or hear them complaining about this topic.


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Thec2u
Comment posted August 7, 2010 @ 7:42 pm

If the law is unjust or flawed, it can be changed to make it legal. Why is it so hard to understand that?


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John Doe
Comment posted August 8, 2010 @ 12:10 am

You ignorant racist prick, Native Americans are white now. I am a Native American, I was born here in the US and my family has been here for generations. You Mexicans have all come over here acting like you own the US, you do not, and you will be forced out violently.


John Doe
Comment posted August 8, 2010 @ 12:10 am

The law is neither of those things. No Amnesty, ever.


John Doe
Comment posted August 8, 2010 @ 12:12 am

All Democrats who support illegals should be voted out of office, and all illegals should be rounded up and deported immediately, or people like me will take things into our own hands to secure this country once more.


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Comment posted August 8, 2010 @ 12:12 am

Gtfo beaner.


Greg
Comment posted August 8, 2010 @ 12:14 am

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Jerry
Comment posted August 8, 2010 @ 2:09 am

Let's think:
1. Do we need 15 millions Latinos here?
2. Do we understand, that at the end it will be 100 millions, because they'll have right to bring here all their huge families legally?
3. Do we need another Civil War in USA?
4. Why can't we invite them to work, and pay them well, and send back, and invite again, and so on, like Canada do? Without any citizenship!
5. Do we want our kids to learn English as a second language?
6. Where we'll run, after 75% of USA population will be Latinos?
I have nothing against Latinos, I have everything against illegals, doesn't matter, are they japanese, Russians or Mexicans. You want to earn money to support your family, because you allowed your Gov't in Mexico to destroy you?
You're very welcome to come, work, earn your money, and go back home.
You want to come again? No problema, Senor! Come again, work, earn, and go home!!! If we feel so sorry for mexicans, having bad life there, why dont we feel bad about 1 billion of chinese, who live in much more horrible poverty? Why not open the border for them? WAKE UP, FOLKS!!! We just can't accept everyone!!! Especially people who disrespect our laws. Am I wrong???


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carl
Comment posted August 8, 2010 @ 11:04 am

native americans are white? it's obvious you don't know anything. native americans are not white and you comment about “been here for generations” proves it. my family has native american ancestry on both sides and they are definitely not white! you don't answer any of the persons concerns because you choose to push your lies instead. act like a man and attempt to think about facts instead of the nazi goebbels tactics of beck.


carl
Comment posted August 8, 2010 @ 11:05 am

then go back to europe! it is that simple


carl
Comment posted August 8, 2010 @ 11:07 am

continue voting for child molester republican types like M Foley & the republican leadership that covered it up. good job


carl
Comment posted August 8, 2010 @ 11:08 am

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Comment posted August 8, 2010 @ 12:25 pm

BUILD THE FENCE! GUARD THE FENCE.!! No reform!! Just do the job or get out!! NO AMNESTY!! The illegals are breaking the laws of a soverign nation, at least thats what we were once. Get OBAMA out of our white house!!! Get the democartes out of congress. We want our country back!!


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Comment posted August 8, 2010 @ 12:29 pm

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Comment posted August 10, 2010 @ 2:31 pm

We can build and other Great Wall of China arround our country and the problem is going to be the same. We have to fix our broken imigration system to make it efficient, in europe they look at us and they fix their problem before they get 12 million people in their countires, We have to cut the tree from the roots not from the branches. We have people waiting in line for more than 15 years to be able come here legally. We have the solution on our hands We need a more efficiently imigration system something that can say before a year, yes, We need you, you are welcome to come with us to make this country better or no thank you are welcome to come here an expend your money as a turist or you are not welcome.


louis vuitton
Comment posted August 12, 2010 @ 10:02 am

BUILD THE FENCE! GUARD THE FENCE.!! No reform!! Just do the job or get out!! NO AMNESTY!! The illegals are breaking the laws of a soverign nation, at least thats what we were once. Get OBAMA out of our white house!!! Get the democartes out of congress. We want our country back!!


Robert Moore
Comment posted August 13, 2010 @ 10:48 pm

You have some good points Jerry…. BUT here's what I see, and I mean no disrespect. The latinos are the ones who do every anglo's worst jobs. From building our homes to building our freeways and honestly speaking would you or I for that matter frankly be willing to sweat our butts off in 100 degree weather, probably not. I'm with you on the illegal thing. We have to look at things from their side too in order to understand why they come over to the American Dream Land to make something for themselves. When most immigrants try to enter the USA legally 90% are turned away and denied their Visas so their only alternative is to come here illegally. Trust me if you knew of a country that would pay $500.00 an hour would you try to go there. The answer is probabaly so. Would you like to go there legally? I'd say yes. but if you were denied the work visa…. See what I'm trying to say. We all jump to conclusions about everyone else and don't really sit down and try to analize why do we have so many illegals here; whether Mexicans or Canadians. I think we should focus and what is the real cause of illegal immigration. That's it I hope I did'nt offend anyone, that's just my point of view into this subject. Good Day. Jerry.


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Eljellyjettaw
Comment posted August 20, 2010 @ 6:51 am

illegal is illegal these rats are law breakers and leeches…let them go back to Mexico and they can take there ungrateful brats back with them…if they want to come here. come legally like others whose being waiting in line…why reward law breakers if you break the law you pay Americans don't get away with anything if they break the law….The 14 amendment was not meant for illegal immigrants it was for the slaves…..


Eljellyjettaw
Comment posted August 20, 2010 @ 7:09 am

That's not are fault go to Mexico and stay with your husband …were ever he go, you go ,were ever he live, you live, you both promise to love and cherish each other for rich or for poor until death due you part all the excuse about being apart is a butch of bull…no one Holden you here…don't forget to take your kids so he won't miss 10yrs not raising them….


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Comment posted August 21, 2010 @ 8:20 am

“I think they have made it pretty clear that they are not interested in dealing with immigration this year,” spokesman Jim Manley wrote.
what does this mean …there are families suffering because of broken immigration system…and these people are talking like this ….. unbelievable that USA is like this…..


Lauralzambito
Comment posted August 27, 2010 @ 3:04 am

America has been built on immigration. Unless you are an indian you are apart of immigration just lucky enough to have been born in america.


girlnextdoor
Comment posted August 31, 2010 @ 1:38 am

im in the EXACT situation. I have a 3 yr old and an 8 year old….My husband lost his job b/c he doesnt have papers. He doesnt have fake ones either… He is a stay at home dad now. Before we didnt need financial help and I was going to school too! Now we are stuck…and Im in some dead end serving job…..We are married and have been for 3 years now. Its like our lives are on hold….never knowing the what if….I cant move there…..and I dont know what will happen. With me being the only one to work and drive ( he cant get a license)…Im beat down…I go to church…I love my family….And Ive got a great husband who loves us and WANTS to support us and contribute to his community…..why is that SO WRONG?


girlnextdoor
Comment posted August 31, 2010 @ 1:41 am

what harsh language! Its obvious that you are full of hate…but please….dont be governed by it!


girlnextdoor
Comment posted August 31, 2010 @ 1:43 am

That is your idea of justice?


Gabmex30
Comment posted September 1, 2010 @ 12:11 am

you are correct peoples taxes DO NOT pay for inmigration process the persons filing are the ones that pay the real high fee's so for all those saying that they pay these fee's with their taxes there full of it.


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