McCain, Coburn Support Review of 14th Amendment

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Tuesday, August 03, 2010 at 1:30 pm

Add Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) and Sen. Tom Coburn (R-Okla.) to the list of Republican senators who have said they would support a review of “birthright citizenship.”

There’s a growing chorus, led by Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.), saying that Congress should hold hearings on removing the Constitutional provision that grants automatic citizenship to anyone born in America. Talking Points Memo reports that when McCain and Coburn were asked whether they support that push, McCain said he supports “the idea of having hearings,” but brushed off questions about whether he would support an amendment. Coburn was more open, telling TPM: “I’m not sure I’m going to embrace it but might.”

Sen. Jon Kyl (R-Ariz.) also recently voiced support for hearings, while Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) said he plans to introduce a constitutional amendment to change the 14th Amendment.

Latino advocacy groups have pledged to fight this effort. Janet Murguía, president of National Council of La Raza, called the effort by mainstream Republicans “extremely troubling” during a conference call today:

We fully intend to push back on these efforts. I think it’s an affront to the Constitution. …To see this kind of a challenge should give us all pause to know that if we thought the court case in Arizona had resolved anything, we were very mistaken. …We are very concerned that people will let their guard down and believe that we won on that issue. But the fight is not over.

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Comment posted August 3, 2010 @ 6:30 pm

I think then we should make it retroactive – e.g., if great grandma and grandpa came over and settled, but never became citizens, then their kids who were born here wouldn't be, nor the kids of those kids, etc. That would apply to a lot more people than realize it. The same reasoning would then allow us to get rid of alot of these decendants of European steerage trash who take jobs away from us REAL Americans- make more jobs for us decendants of the pre-1776 whites and slaves and Native Americans who would be left.


Fill
Comment posted August 3, 2010 @ 7:05 pm

Republicans are trying to simplify and solve a complex problem by taking away the innocence of newborns. Amazing. The 14th amendment protects the rights of the innocent. You can't get more innocent than newborns. In my opinion, it shouldn't matter if your parents were illegal aliens or axe murderers, you should be given the same rights and chance of life in the US as anybody else.


Ebeavers
Comment posted August 3, 2010 @ 7:22 pm

The phrase “subject to the jurisdiction thereof” was intended to exclude American-born persons from automatic citizenship whose allegiance to the United States was not complete. With illegal aliens who are unlawfully in the United States, their native country has a claim of allegiance on the child. Thus, the completeness of their allegiance to the United States is impaired, which therefore precludes automatic citizenship.
Therefore the correct interpretation of the 14th Amendment NEVER included babies born to people in this country illegally..The babies are innocent, but still NOT citizens, nor are the parents


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ellid
Comment posted August 3, 2010 @ 8:15 pm

Totally wrong. The 14th was intended to ensure citizens for slaves who were born in the United States but hadn't counted as citizens because they were chattel. It has nothing to do with so-called “anchor babies.”


monkey99
Comment posted August 3, 2010 @ 8:35 pm

I wish they would take the time and learn what the Amendment and the entire document say, before reinterpreting like that.


Fill
Comment posted August 3, 2010 @ 8:37 pm

“Therefore the correct interpretation..”

Correct? Uh oh, you better take a time machine back to 1898 and tell the Supreme Court that they are wrong! See “United States v. Wong Kim Ark”.

“In a 6-2 decision, the Court held that under the Fourteenth Amendment, a child born in the United States of parents of foreign descent who, at the time of the child's birth are subjects of a foreign power but who have a permanent domicile and residence in the United States and are carrying on business in the United States, and are not employed in any diplomatic or official capacity under a foreign power, and are not members of foreign forces in hostile occupation of United States territory, becomes a citizen of the United States at the time of birth.”


monkey99
Comment posted August 3, 2010 @ 8:40 pm

I think you've touched upon a very important point.

Like the birthers, and their ridiculous insistence that President Obama's birth certificate isn't real, all they'll prove is that none of us is American.

Brilliant.


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Stan001
Comment posted August 3, 2010 @ 9:17 pm

You are saying it yourself…..The parents were not here illegally…


Fill
Comment posted August 3, 2010 @ 9:36 pm

Um, well, here's more (this is all on Wikipedia, btw, I urge folks to read it):

“Wong Kim Ark was also cited in Plyler v. Doe, 457 U.S. 202 (1982), a Supreme Court decision which struck down a Texas state law that had sought to deny public education to undocumented alien children (i.e., children born abroad who had come to the United States illegally along with their parents — not children born in the U.S. to illegal alien parents). The court's majority opinion in Plyler said that, according to the Wong court, the 14th Amendment's phrases “subject to the jurisdiction thereof” and “within its jurisdiction” were essentially equivalent and that both referred primarily to physical presence. It held that illegal immigrants residing in a state are “within the jurisdiction” of that state, and added in a footnote that “no plausible distinction with respect to Fourteenth Amendment 'jurisdiction' can be drawn between resident aliens whose entry into the United States was lawful, and resident aliens whose entry was unlawful.”"

“In response to concerns over illegal immigration in the United States (and the associated fear that children of illegal immigrants could serve as links to permit citizenship for family members who would otherwise be ineligible), bills have been introduced from time to time in Congress which have challenged the conventional interpretation of the citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment and have sought to actively and explicitly deny citizenship at birth to U.S.-born children of foreign visitors or illegal aliens. No such bill has ever come close to being enacted; even if one did, it would presumably achieve its intended result only if the Supreme Court, in a new case, were to conclude that Wong Kim Ark had been wrongly decided.”


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Comment posted August 4, 2010 @ 12:34 am

The “Anchor Baby” illuminates the whole unraveling story, which if an illegal alien parent, can reach America before the baby is born, they can collect welfare from any state. In 2006 this was a $6 billion dollar “legal flimflam” unfairly supported by US taxpayers. In other developed nations one parent must be naturalized or citizen born in that country. These families knew exactly what they were exploiting when they came to the U.S. and had a baby born on U.S. soil, as the news of welfare entitlements spreads very quickly from poor country to country.

For illegal immigrants, having a child born in the U.S. becomes this intentional “Racket” to residing here in this land, the ramifications in 2007 was estimated to be 380.000 children annually that taxpayers forfeited in taxes. Birthright citizenship creates a massive fiscal burden on the US taxpayer. At the present time “Anchor babies” are United States citizens from the moment they’re born, and they immediately qualify for public welfare aid.

Excerpt from Federation for American Immigration Reform:

FAIR estimates there are currently more than 425,000 children born to illegal aliens each year. This figure is based on the crude birth rate of the total foreign-born population (33 births per 1000) and the size of the illegal alien population (13 million in 2008). In 1994, California paid for 74,987 deliveries to illegal alien mothers, at a total cost of $215.2 million (an average of $2,842 per delivery). Illegal alien mothers accounted for 36 percent of all Medi-Cal funded births in California that year and now count substantially more than half.

Pro-Sovereignty organizations have called these children of pregnant illegal alien mothers “anchor babies” simply because they become eligible to sponsor for legitimizing most of their relatives (chain migration), including those in poor health. The illegal alien child, when they turn 21 years of age, become the U.S. “anchor” for an extended immigrant family. It has been said, over-and-over-again that birthright citizenship was never projected to be the law of the land, and thus is a flawed interpretation of the 14th Amendment.

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To intensify this giant problem, those mothers who illegally enter the U.S. to have their anchor babies have little to no health insurance. While others prenatal mothers are not even poor, but have violated a moral problem by using fraudulent ID and come from every corner of the world. By law they cannot be turned away from hospitals because the law requires that they be treated. All uninsured people, regardless of citizenship, receive medical treatment in hospital emergency rooms under the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act of 1985 (EMTALA). The only difference is that American Mothers stand to be badgered by unrelenting debt collectors afterwards until they pay. SO IF ILLEGAL MOTHERS DO NOT HAVE TO PAY THEIR POST NATAL BILLS, WHY SHOULD A US BORN MOTHER OR LEGAL RESIDENT? And if there are any difficulties with the pregnancy, or if the child is born prematurely and needs to be admitted into a Neonatal Intensive Care Unit, the expenditures upswings by thousands more dollars.

Senator Lindsey Graham, Sen. John Kyl (R-AZ) and other statesman has decided to pursue revoke the 14th amendment. A Rasmussen Poll found that 58% of Americans opposed granting citizenship to the children of illegal aliens, while only 33% supported it. The main problem most Americans cannot conceive the amount of money paid out to subsidize the onslaught of the illegal alien occupancy. Every saddled taxpayers should definitely type into Google or Yahoo “Anchor Babies cost's” and be ready to use your politicians as a verbal punching bag at 202-224-3121

An issue that is not publicized by the left politicians is ant De Facto Amnesty or by executive order of the President. Would instantly turn into a public outrage as illegal aliens would be allowed to collect Social Security benefits based on past illegal employment — even if the job was obtained through forged or stolen documents? Senator John Ensign (R-NV) has offered an amendment to gut that provision from any bill. He said, “There was a felony they were committing, and now they can't be prosecuted. That sounds like amnesty to me. U. S. Senators Who Voted For Illegal Aliens to Collect Social Security Benefits! Let them know what you think about this vote! Go to NumbersUSA for more information on this taxpayer nightmare.

Remember–Out with Pro-Amnesty Sen.Harry Reid in November and also be aware that in “Honor System” states illegal aliens vote and violate federal law.
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Fascinated
Comment posted August 4, 2010 @ 2:08 am

and that's why the Klan consistently opposed the 13th thru the 15th amendments, because it requires states to give voting rights to 'negroes' as well as the citizenship issue. Now the Republicans see immigration as the hot button issue, except that the subject this time are Latinos. Republicans are the nativist party….but they did it with Reagan (read “The Inheritance”) and, apart from calling them 'mongrels' back in the 20's, perhaps the Republicans will fool the voters again. In times of economic stress, white people find the scapegoat to blame 'nonwhites' for taking jobs, etc. what I find almost unbelievable in perusing chatrooms and boards etc of those who are rabid about 'illegals' and jobs is that there is a sense that if 'we' got rid of 'them' then the farms and the meat packing plants etc will start paying [white] people higher wages since 'so many whites are out of work.'


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ellid
Comment posted August 4, 2010 @ 7:32 am

Bigot.


ellid
Comment posted August 4, 2010 @ 7:33 am

Totally wrong. It means any child born in this country, excluding those born to an occupying force during a declared war, or those born to foreign embassy personnel. Honesty, how can you claim to be a patriot if you know so little about citizenship?


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NumberOne1AZfan
Comment posted August 4, 2010 @ 1:35 pm

So what exactly is the down-side to eliminating the loophole? Are we going to be called racist again? I believe it would act as a deterrent to those contemplating an
illegal entry in the future. No wonder the world considers us to be idiots.


Harry
Comment posted August 4, 2010 @ 2:03 pm

So one of Obama Bin Laden's wives can sneak into the USA, deliver a baby, and the kid is a US citizen? We're a nation of idiots.


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Comment posted August 4, 2010 @ 2:56 pm

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Comment posted August 5, 2010 @ 9:29 am

Obviously you have never taken an Economics class. That is exactly what would happen. When cheap illegal immigrant labor flowed into the country it began undercutting White and Black in the market place. Why? White, Black, Asian, Latino living here as fully assimilated Americans live as individuals or if they have a spouse, with their nuclear family. This means that one or two people have to meet all living costs for that family group.

How do illegals frequently live? In large extended groups. If you have ten adults in one house all of which are working for $6/hr, how much is coming into that one household?

Ten adults x $6/hr = $60/hr x 8 hrs = $480/day x 5 days = $2400/wk x 4 wks = $9600/month x 12 months = $115,000/year.

They can afford $1,000/month rent for a two bedroom house.They will have more than enough for rice, beans, tortilla's, hamburger, spaghetti, soda, beer etc. They can make it at that rate of pay.

The American however at $6/hr would make: $48/day, $240/wk, $960/month, $11,520/year. He could not afford the $1,000/month rent before taxes. The American has to find a better job.

What are the employers choices? Well farms and meat packing plants can't move offshore. Therefore, the employer can either go out of business or raises wages to the point that he begins attracting Americans. He will offset the increased wages by raising the cost of his product. For example: If he employs 100 people, the illegals were paid $6/hr, the Americans that replace them will be paid $!8/hr. If his meat packing plant produces 50,000 lbs per hour at a wholesale costs of $1/lb, by how much must he raise his price to offset the increased wages (Assuming no benefits, his increased wages now costs him $1200 more per hour)?

The answer is 3 cents! At 3 cents times 50,000 lbs per hour the employer would generate an additional $1500 per hour. He could pay the increased wages and pocket the remaining $300/hour. The increase would be so small that some distributors and or retailers might opt not to pass it on.

Fascinated and ellid share very biased limited thinking. Remember that “Day Without A Mexican” nonsense of a couple of years ago? It fell on it's face. It was determined they represented less than 5% of the U.S. workforce. So their big one day shutdown was not even a blip on the U.S. labor screen.

There is not one job currently held by an illegal immigrant that was not previously held by an American. Those same jobs would be performed by Americans again if they could make enough money to live.

When was the first time you heard Americans whinning that they sure would love an apple but gee we don't have any illegal immigrants to grow and pick them for us or wow baked chicken would be great for dinner but without illegal immigrants to raise and process them……well that's why Colonel Sanders went out of business. Illegal immigrant Latinos on the whole suffer from an inflated sense of self. They have yet to learn the lesson that anyone can be replaced (The head of BP!).

The U.S. has been the land of plenty for centuries. The illegal immigrant problem only became a big problem following the amnesty of the 1980's. The U.S. does not 'need' illegals to produce anything. It is employer driven.

Latinos love to point to European immigration. Well Europeans came in very small numbers per our quotas. Also they were forced to enter legally. The same is true of Asians. They entered through an even more rigorous process via the western counterpart of Ellis island. If Latinos were such great workers, why don't they fix their own countries? That's right, it's much easier to come hear and cash in The work is not as hard and even at a low rate of pay it beats the heck out of what they made back home.


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Until our political leaders understand the fact that the Fourteenth Amendment is the underlying cause of illegal immigration, America’s immigration system will be ineffective. I will not be supporting any political leader who refuses to see any connection between illegally entering the country to give birth and the Fourteenth Amendment.


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Comment posted August 9, 2010 @ 8:28 pm

Wow. I have never read anything as honkey-tonk as what you just posted. Way to appear to give a professional opinion on a serious issue but the racism just couldn't help but leak through. Case in point: “They entered through an even more rigorous process via the western counterpart of Ellis island. If Latinos were such great workers, why don't they fix their own countries? That's right, it's much easier to come hear and cash in The work is not as hard and even at a low rate of pay it beats the heck out of what they made back home.


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