‘Too Young Not to Work but Too Old to Work’

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Thursday, June 17, 2010 at 6:00 am

Last week, thousands of Americans who have exhausted their unemployment insurance — the 99ers, named after the maximum number of weeks of state and federal benefits — sent letters and petitions to Washington as part of a futile campaign to convince the Senate to pass a bolstered version of the jobs bill, now stalled and being pared back. There were many common themes in their stories, but one of the more surprising was age.

[Economy1] One woman from Warren County, New Jersey, wrote: “I am (or was) a legal secretary with several years of experience (30+ years). … I have applied to jobs that are more than one-half less than what I was earning. I search for a job each and every day. … Where do people in my age bracket go? Too young not to work but too old to work?”

Such stories of older workers too young for retirement but struggling for months if not years to find jobs have policy experts concerned as the recession drags on and long-term unemployment continues to rise. Experts say that age discrimination is severely compounding the jobs crisis for older workers, although the phenomenon is difficult to quantify or to prove, and remains under-examined by the government. This time, it is not just making it more likely that these workers will be laid off. It is also making it much harder for them to gain new positions.

Last week, a hearing called by the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights examined the issue, attempting to determine whether part of the reason older workers have such trouble finding work, on aggregate, is due to employer biases out of their control. The unemployment rate is a comparatively moderate 7.1 percent for workers over the age of 55 — it’s 9.7 percent nationally — as older workers are more likely to retire early or leave the workforce if they lose their jobs. But that hides the troubling reality for those who can’t afford to leave the labor force.

The unemployment rate for over-55s is at the highest level since 1948. Since the recession started, both the number of older people seeking work and the rate of unemployment for over-55s have increased more sharply than for all other demographic groups. And older workers comprise a high share of the long-term unemployed. In May, the average duration of unemployment for older job-seekers climbed to 44.2 weeks, 11 more weeks than the national average. Nearly six in ten older job-seekers have been out of work for more than six months.

There are structural reasons that the unemployment crisis is hitting older Americans so hard. Older workers are more likely to be underwater homeowners, unable to sell their house and move away. They often have highly specific marketable skills, and seek positions more selectively. They also often have skills rendered obsolete by the recession, in outdated trades. But too often, employers illegally presume that older workers will be harder to train, more likely to leave for other positions, less productive, less technologically able or less willing to move — and do not hire them for those reasons.

Laurie McCann, a senior attorney at the AARP Foundation Litigation and expert on age discrimination, explains that the 1967 Age Discrimination in Employment Act requires employers to assess candidates as individuals and not to make assumptions about their abilities or requirements due to their age. “Employers have legitimate concerns about older applicants,” she says. “But the problem is, we find that people aren’t even getting in the door to have an interview or have their resume looked at, because employers assume that older workers aren’t looking for a job at a lower salary or aren’t willing to relocate.”

Dianna Johnston, assistant legal counsel to the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, explains that the statistics fail to capture this side of the picture. Speaking before the Commission on Civil Rights, she said, “Most labor-force statistics don’t really tell us much about the labor force. But one does. … Older workers remain unemployed one to three months longer than [younger workers]. And that is partly attributable to discrimination.”

McCann called age discrimination in hiring “the most under-reported form of discrimination” and “prevalent” throughout the recession, as an average of 5 workers compete for every job opening. In an interview, she explained why age discrimination is so hard to quantify: “[It is] the lack of proof. If you’re laid off, you might be in outplacement, and see that everyone who got laid off was older. Or, you might have friends in your office to tell you that a younger person took your job when your employer told you the position was being eliminated. But hiring discrimination is much harder to see, and can be impossible to prove. In most cases, you’re not going to know who was hired. You’re not going to know how they filled the position. There’s just a hunch, or a feeling, that you’re not getting through the door because of your age.”

Incidences of age discrimination in firing are much clearer to see, and have risen along with the recession. The Equal Employment Opportunity Commission says age discrimination cases have jumped 17 percent since the start of the recession, and climbed 30 percent between 2007 and 2008. But virtually all of those cases involve layoffs, rather than the lack of job offers.

Still, evidence of age bias in hiring is accumulating in academic research and anecdotal reports to the EEOC, Commission on Civil Rights and AARP. In one famed 2005 study, a Texas A&M economist sent out 4,000 job applications for entry-level positions. (The resumes were only women’s.) Older workers were 40 percent less likely to receive a response back. And of the letters sent to Congress last week, a vast majority mentioned age, many coming from older workers who had applied for hundreds of positions, to no avail.

“Who will help the over 50 population find work? I have been out of work, laid off from the military/defense industry and apply to anything and everything I am qualified for, but with no luck,” one wrote. “ I am told I am too qualified and when I respond with, ‘I am willing to take this position, take less money, I will give you my experience at that salary,’ I am still turned away.”

Unfortunately, policy experts fear that age discrimination in hiring, compounded by the recession, is a problem without a solution. Individuals can bring cases against individual companies, but discrimination is virtually impossible to prove, even if it is easy to see as an aggregate phenomenon. Plus, McCann says, explains, the phenomenon is so prevalent that discrimination simply seems like reality. “As a society, we’re willing to tolerate age discrimination, more so than other kinds of discrimination,” she argues. “People sense that, and it gives older job-seekers a sense of futility. Why even bother applying for jobs, or bringing a discrimination case? I won’t win.”

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At the age of 49 I was injured in a big rig accident. I made $42K per year at that job, but it had taken me several years to reach that level of income because other jobs I had been in had not paid comparable wages for a variety of reasons. I went back to school to earn a Master's degree with the intention of teaching at the community college level which would have kept my salary level even. But when I completed that degree in 2007, after job hunting for more than a year, I was 55 years old and disabled permanently. I could not get an interview anywhere I applied. So I decided to continue with my education to the PhD level while I continued to job hunt. Since I was using federal student loans to pay for my education, I was also racking up debt fairly quickly and having difficulty finding grant money in my field despite being a 4.0 GPA student. I ran out of money just as I started my dissertation, and had to drop out of college without the degree but with the debt, and no job prospects.

I tell you this so that you can understand that it was not that I do not want to work, but that after nearly four years of job hunting, I am no longer even getting interviews and so must look for another approach to paying my student loans and my bills, because my disability income from Social Security does not cover these bills. My solution is one that will not work for many people, but it is one that might work for some. I am starting my own business – helping communities develop localized economies that can stand against the policies and idiocies of federal and state economic policies that are destroying this nation. My research was in the area of sustainable community public policy, and I discovered something that most media and most political leaders in this nation do not want you to know: if all economies are localized, ie small businesses are the only ones in a community, or only businesses that are locally owned within a specific region, then the money stays within that community or group of communities for the benefit of those who live there.

In other words, when you shop at a Wal-Mart, the bulk of the money you spend goes to corporate headquarters in Arkansas, and the pockets of one family, including the one of the riches women in the world. If you shop at the local co-op in your community, that money stays in your community, is spent by co-op employees in other stores within your community, and it keeps local citizens employed, thus making your community immune to job layoffs and economic downturns. The same can be said of localized agriculture. If local farmers used non-industrial, labor intensive farming practices, sold only from local stores, used CSA or farmers' markets for product distribution, they keep the dollars in the community. This localized economic model creates jobs.

So here is a solution for those who are good at management and organizing and are currently unemployed: go to your local unemployment office and ask to hold a seminar. At that seminar have people give you their resumes or job application, and then take a break. Organize quickly those resumes based on last job worked, and then divide up the people into industry groups.

Next, tell them to look at the people in their group and ask them to brainstorm how they are going to start their new business within their community, telling them that they are the new owners.

Get them to consider starting co-ops for services or new retail or industrial businesses.

Get them thinking about themselves as new business owners, and then work with them to develop business plans that can be made real.

Get people who are experts in localized banking and employment and SBA and marketing and sales and business finance and every other area you think will be useful,and you have them circulating among the groups telling them what help there is out there for them to make their new companies a reality.

And you keep doing this until you have new businesses started throughout your communities that can hire new personnel and who can stand up and support each other.

And you tell the big box stores and the mega-banks and the politicians who are in the corporate pockets to go stick it – we are Americans and we own our towns and our economies again!


devonnoll
Comment posted June 17, 2010 @ 4:43 pm

At the age of 49 I was injured in a big rig accident. I made $42K per year at that job, but it had taken me several years to reach that level of income because other jobs I had been in had not paid comparable wages for a variety of reasons. I went back to school to earn a Master's degree with the intention of teaching at the community college level which would have kept my salary level even. But when I completed that degree in 2007, after job hunting for more than a year, I was 55 years old and disabled permanently. I could not get an interview anywhere I applied. So I decided to continue with my education to the PhD level while I continued to job hunt. Since I was using federal student loans to pay for my education, I was also racking up debt fairly quickly and having difficulty finding grant money in my field despite being a 4.0 GPA student. I ran out of money just as I started my dissertation, and had to drop out of college without the degree but with the debt, and no job prospects.

I tell you this so that you can understand that it was not that I do not want to work, but that after nearly four years of job hunting, I am no longer even getting interviews and so must look for another approach to paying my student loans and my bills, because my disability income from Social Security does not cover these bills. My solution is one that will not work for many people, but it is one that might work for some. I am starting my own business – helping communities develop localized economies that can stand against the policies and idiocies of federal and state economic policies that are destroying this nation. My research was in the area of sustainable community public policy, and I discovered something that most media and most political leaders in this nation do not want you to know: if all economies are localized, ie small businesses are the only ones in a community, or only businesses that are locally owned within a specific region, then the money stays within that community or group of communities for the benefit of those who live there.

In other words, when you shop at a Wal-Mart, the bulk of the money you spend goes to corporate headquarters in Arkansas, and the pockets of one family, including the one of the riches women in the world. If you shop at the local co-op in your community, that money stays in your community, is spent by co-op employees in other stores within your community, and it keeps local citizens employed, thus making your community immune to job layoffs and economic downturns. The same can be said of localized agriculture. If local farmers used non-industrial, labor intensive farming practices, sold only from local stores, used CSA or farmers' markets for product distribution, they keep the dollars in the community. This localized economic model creates jobs.

So here is a solution for those who are good at management and organizing and are currently unemployed: go to your local unemployment office and ask to hold a seminar. At that seminar have people give you their resumes or job application, and then take a break. Organize quickly those resumes based on last job worked, and then divide up the people into industry groups.

Next, tell them to look at the people in their group and ask them to brainstorm how they are going to start their new business within their community, telling them that they are the new owners.

Get them to consider starting co-ops for services or new retail or industrial businesses.

Get them thinking about themselves as new business owners, and then work with them to develop business plans that can be made real.

Get people who are experts in localized banking and employment and SBA and marketing and sales and business finance and every other area you think will be useful,and you have them circulating among the groups telling them what help there is out there for them to make their new companies a reality.

And you keep doing this until you have new businesses started throughout your communities that can hire new personnel and who can stand up and support each other.

And you tell the big box stores and the mega-banks and the politicians who are in the corporate pockets to go stick it – we are Americans and we own our towns and our economies again!


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The Obama Recovery rolls on…


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The Obama Recovery rolls on…


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Hahahahaha, “the Obama recovery rolls on” as sarcasm. That's a good one Quassam. Let me tell you the story of my life coming of age under Reagan-Bush. Graduating from college in 1979 was even scarier than graduating now. (And if you get to blame Obama for our destroyed economy now, instead of Bush, I get to blame Reagan for the '80s instead of Carter.)

With my fancy degree and a lifespan of under 30 years, though, at least I could still get hired for crappy work in retail. For awhile I delivered auto parts. This is how I spent my 20s, when I should have been starting a career and building wealth like the good little capitalist that you neocons love so much.

At last! The 1990s arrive and the Clinton boom years are here! Finally I get a career going and make some money, start a family, buy a house. OK, I’m in my 30s before I get my first real home and have kids, but hey, I’m sure I’ll still be able to get the kids through college and live a decent middle-class lifestyle when I’m in my 50s, right? I mean, things are going so well economically for us all.

(Cue ominous music.) By the time my kids are in elementary school, George W. Bush has started two wars, ballooned the deficit with tax cuts that I can only dream of, and the economy has tanked, though at least I still have a decent job and I’m only in my 40s. I’ll get by … until I don’t. Let go in 2003 at age 45 and boy did I learn a hard lesson about age discrimination. It’s not just that employers are afraid you’ll bolt for a better job. (That’s actually a laugh … there haven’t BEEN any better jobs since then.) It’s that the newly-graduated, 23-year-old with BA degree will do a perfectly crappy job for half what I used to work for, and unlike past decades, the corporate culture of this era doesn’t care about job quality, just about keeping overhead low. In short: When I was young people wanted to hire experienced professionals. When I became an experienced professional, everyone wanted kids they could get cheap. Oh, the baby boomer generation, how lucky we are!

I survived the Bush years by selling stuff on eBay (formerly a hobby), taking gifts from my parents (now retired after living the good life from the 1950s to the early ‘80s), using credit cards and finally resorting to the one crappy-paying job that I can do but not just any kid can: Re-upped my lifeguard certification (last used in summers during college) and taught kids to a lifesaving skill for $9 an hour, part-time, to be let go at any moment when the employer says so, no reason.

With no retirement money left, I am nevertheless one of the lucky ones. My professional skills are utilized by temp agencies, and finally a temp job landed me a permanent one (though for lots less than I was making as a temp … but hey, in 2006 you didn’t sneeze at job security). Except for one measly decade, my best, most productive years were squandered by Reagan-Bush-Bush. I can’t afford to retire but if I lose my job now, well, even eBay has tanked. And I’d have to compete with my own teenagers for those lifeguard jobs here in town. ($7 an hour nowadays.) I’ll never earn enough to live comfortably. Ever. My life is effectively over, but for the desperate scrambling of a 50-something trying to survive until Social Security kicks in, and then waiting to die while greeting people at Wal-Mart.

So much for the American Dream. You can blame Obama for *only* a gradual recovery over the past 18 months, but I have a bigger picture to look back at and it’s ALL ugly thanks to your heroes. Welcome to the first generation to be WORSE off than their parents, in the entire history of our wonderful, capitalist, free-market country. Thanks so much, right-wing economists, Republicans and neocons, and stuff your Obama-blaming blather where the atmosphere is as dark and dreary as my future.


junkmailqueen
Comment posted June 17, 2010 @ 7:12 pm

Hahahahaha, “the Obama recovery rolls on” as sarcasm. That's a good one Quassam. Let me tell you the story of my life coming of age under Reagan-Bush. Graduating from college in 1979 was even scarier than graduating now. (And if you get to blame Obama for our destroyed economy now, instead of Bush, I get to blame Reagan for the '80s instead of Carter.)
With my fancy degree and a lifespan of under 30 years, though, at least I could still get hired for crappy work in retail. For awhile I delivered auto parts. This is how I spent my 20s, when I should have been starting a career and building wealth like the good little capitalist that you neocons love so much.
At last! The 1990s arrive and the Clinton boom years are here! Finally I get a career going and make some money, start a family, buy a house. OK, I’m in my 30s before I get my first real home and have kids, but hey, I’m sure I’ll still be able to get the kids through college and live a decent middle-class lifestyle when I’m in my 50s, right? I mean, things are going so well economically for us all.
(Cue ominous music.) By the time my kids are in elementary school, George W. Bush has started two wars, ballooned the deficit with tax cuts that I can only dream of, and the economy has tanked, though at least I still have a decent job and I’m only in my 40s. I’ll get by … until I don’t. Let go in 2003 at age 45 and boy did I learn a hard lesson about age discrimination. It’s not just that employers are afraid you’ll bolt for a better job. (That’s actually a laugh … there haven’t BEEN any better jobs since then.) It’s that the newly-graduated, 23-year-old with BA degree will do a perfectly crappy job for half what I used to work for, and unlike past decades, the corporate culture of this era doesn’t care about job quality, just about keeping overhead low. In short: When I was young people wanted to hire experienced professionals. When I became an experienced professional, everyone wanted kids they could get cheap. Oh, the baby boomer generation, how lucky we are!
I survived the Bush years by selling stuff on eBay (formerly a hobby), taking gifts from my parents (now retired after living the good life from the 1950s to the early ‘80s), using credit cards and finally resorting to the one crappy-paying job that I can do but not just any kid can: Re-upped my lifeguard certification (last used in summers during college) and taught kids to a lifesaving skill for $9 an hour, part-time, to be let go at any moment when the employer says so, no reason.
With no retirement money left, I am nevertheless one of the lucky ones. My professional skills are utilized by temp agencies, and finally a temp job landed me a permanent one (though for lots less than I was making as a temp … but hey, in 2006 you didn’t sneeze at job security). Except for one measly decade, my best, most productive years were squandered by Reagan-Bush-Bush. I can’t afford to retire but if I lose my job now, well, even eBay has tanked. And I’d have to compete with my own teenagers for those lifeguard jobs here in town. ($7 an hour nowadays.) I’ll never earn enough to live comfortably. Ever. My life is effectively over, but for the desperate scrambling of a 50-something trying to survive until Social Security kicks in, and then waiting to die while greeting people at Wal-Mart.
So much for the American Dream. You can blame Obama for *only* a gradual recovery over the past 18 months, but I have a bigger picture to look back at and it’s ALL ugly thanks to your heroes. Welcome to the first generation to be WORSE off than their parents, in the entire history of our wonderful, capitalist, free-market country. Thanks so much, right-wing economists, Republicans and neocons, and stuff your Obama-blaming blather where the atmosphere is as dark and dreary as my future.


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Go ahead and put me down as one of the too young to not work, but too old to be hired people. I have tried to get a job, pretty much any job, and have been unsuccessful in my attempt. Although I do not believe that age discrimination is intended, I believe that employers do not want to hire someone that they believe, in their minds, will leave the work force in a few years….and I also believe that they are hiring the younger workers as they feel they need it worse…which is wrong. Because of the stock decline, we older workers need it just as bad in order to keep what we have worked all our lives to attain. I believe that the government owes it to us unemployed to continue to give us the unemployment that we need in order to extend paying our bills until the job market situation, which the government created, turns around and we can get another job.


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Comment posted June 17, 2010 @ 8:39 pm

Go ahead and put me down as one of the too young to not work, but too old to be hired people. I have tried to get a job, pretty much any job, and have been unsuccessful in my attempt. Although I do not believe that age discrimination is intended, I believe that employers do not want to hire someone that they believe, in their minds, will leave the work force in a few years….and I also believe that they are hiring the younger workers as they feel they need it worse…which is wrong. Because of the stock decline, we older workers need it just as bad in order to keep what we have worked all our lives to attain. I believe that the government owes it to us unemployed to continue to give us the unemployment that we need in order to extend paying our bills until the job market situation, which the government created, turns around and we can get another job.


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This is not a “wonderful, capitalist, free-market country”. It is a special-interest, legislative, deficit-spending, image-only & mis-managed nanny-state. You want an inept and corrupt government to fix the problems that the government created in order to keep power and infliuence for the benefit of themselves and their friends. Capitalism has been systematically smoothered, and also, by the way, the original principles that made us great to begin with. I hope you stupid red/blues enjoy how we are becoming so much like France and every other country now! Blaming one side or the other misses the point. Go ahead, find out what happened to Greece and see the impending disaster.

What great country of hot air and politicians.


Bijj
Comment posted June 17, 2010 @ 9:18 pm

This is not a “wonderful, capitalist, free-market country”. It is a special-interest, legislative, deficit-spending, image-only & mis-managed nanny-state. You want an inept and corrupt government to fix the problems that the government created in order to keep power and infliuence for the benefit of themselves and their friends. Capitalism has been systematically smoothered, and also, by the way, the original principles that made us great to begin with. I hope you stupid red/blues enjoy how we are becoming so much like France and every other country now! Blaming one side or the other misses the point. Go ahead, find out what happened to Greece and see the impending disaster.

What great country of hot air and politicians.


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If this was a nanny state, then we'd be taken care of instead of being thrown to the wolves. In fact, if any of these people were French, they'd get unemployment compensation and free health care and a bunch of other benefits. You don't know what the f*ck you're talking about.


sharonsj
Comment posted June 18, 2010 @ 8:37 pm

If this was a nanny state, then we'd be taken care of instead of being thrown to the wolves. In fact, if any of these people were French, they'd get unemployment compensation and free health care and a bunch of other benefits. You don't know what the f*ck you're talking about.


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Comment posted June 18, 2010 @ 8:41 pm

Add me to the list (56 year old female – but pass for late 30s). I believe that the underlying reason is that people who are doing the hiring at this point are primarily 40 – 50 and they don't want to hire anyone that they think is more capable than they are. Simply put, they won't hire anyone in that they think might take their job. Guaranteed way to look good to your boss is to make certain that you're the brightest kid on the block.


Metric12113
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Add me to the list (56 year old female – but pass for late 30s). I believe that the underlying reason is that people who are doing the hiring at this point are primarily 40 – 50 and they don't want to hire anyone that they think is more capable than they are. Simply put, they won't hire anyone in that they think might take their job. Guaranteed way to look good to your boss is to make certain that you're the brightest kid on the block.


sharonsj
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I'm meeting more and more people who don't have regular jobs because they can't find any. Or the jobs they do have don't pay very much. As a result, there is a big underground economy in buying and selling second-hand stuff. All the people desperate for money are dragging out belongings onto the lawn and having yard sales. I see a huge increase in vendors at flea markets who are not dealers but just average people trying to make an extra buck. Everybody is trying to downsize and use the money to pay bills and credit cards. I this is the new norm for America.


sharonsj
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I'm meeting more and more people who don't have regular jobs because they can't find any. Or the jobs they do have don't pay very much. As a result, there is a big underground economy in buying and selling second-hand stuff. All the people desperate for money are dragging out belongings onto the lawn and having yard sales. I see a huge increase in vendors at flea markets who are not dealers but just average people trying to make an extra buck. Everybody is trying to downsize and use the money to pay bills and credit cards. I this is the new norm for America.


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As a Walmart worker, I can tell you that I, and most of my fellow employees are also shareholders, because the Company contributes to our share purchases.

The rest of your rant sounds like it was written by a luddite


Emco
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As a Walmart worker, I can tell you that I, and most of my fellow employees are also shareholders, because the Company contributes to our share purchases.

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This was my dad. He was 50 when he was laid off in the midst of the dotcom crash of the early 2000's. For every single job he was one of the final candidates for, they ALWAYS went with someone younger.

He never did find another job in the IT field. But his knowledge and skill-set were not as useless as he thought – he's now a well respected teacher in a magnet high school for business and technology. Back when Las Vegas was desperate for teachers, they jumped at the chance to hire someone with his background to teach, despite the fact that he'd never taught a day in his life. He loves it and he's great at it.


Annette
Comment posted June 20, 2010 @ 5:29 pm

This was my dad. He was 50 when he was laid off in the midst of the dotcom crash of the early 2000's. For every single job he was one of the final candidates for, they ALWAYS went with someone younger.

He never did find another job in the IT field. But his knowledge and skill-set were not as useless as he thought – he's now a well respected teacher in a magnet high school for business and technology. Back when Las Vegas was desperate for teachers, they jumped at the chance to hire someone with his background to teach, despite the fact that he'd never taught a day in his life. He loves it and he's great at it.


MarT
Comment posted June 20, 2010 @ 5:49 pm

My mother lost her job as an executive secretary when her company merged with another about 10 years ago when she 57 years old. She has about 35 years of administrative experience, but aside from a few temp jobs, and despite the fact that she has been looking non-stop, she has never found anything close to full time employment again. There were a couple of times she knew she and one much younger person were the finalists, but they always went with the inexperienced 20-something in the end. The only employers hiring older people in her area are supermarkets and drug stores at minimum wage, but due to chronic back problems she is unable to stand for an entire shift. This is the reality of our new economy. Once you hit 50 – certainly 55 – you are essentially unemployable in this country.


MarT
Comment posted June 20, 2010 @ 5:49 pm

My mother lost her job as an executive secretary when her company merged with another about 10 years ago when she 57 years old. She has about 35 years of administrative experience, but aside from a few temp jobs, and despite the fact that she has been looking non-stop, she has never found anything close to full time employment again. There were a couple of times she knew she and one much younger person were the finalists, but they always went with the inexperienced 20-something in the end. The only employers hiring older people in her area are supermarkets and drug stores at minimum wage, but due to chronic back problems she is unable to stand for an entire shift. This is the reality of our new economy. Once you hit 50 – certainly 55 – you are essentially unemployable in this country.


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MarT
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I think it's more complicated than that. I've worked in human resources and can tell you the general sense is that older workers (age 45 on up; yes, the threshold is that low) are less adaptable (the catch phrase used to be “wedded to old ways”) and technologically challenged. (And it doesn't matter how young you look, your age is the first thing someone reading your resume tries to figures out. Every time.) This isn't borne out by reality, of course, but this thinking has been more or less institutionalized, making discrimination against anyone middle-aged or older almost an automatic.


MarT
Comment posted June 20, 2010 @ 5:59 pm

I think it's more complicated than that. I've worked in human resources and can tell you the general sense is that older workers (age 45 on up; yes, the threshold is that low) are less adaptable (the catch phrase used to be “wedded to old ways”) and technologically challenged. (And it doesn't matter how young you look, your age is the first thing someone reading your resume tries to figures out. Every time.) This isn't borne out by reality, of course, but this thinking has been more or less institutionalized, making discrimination against anyone middle-aged or older almost an automatic.


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Comment posted June 22, 2010 @ 1:20 am

I was laid off from my last position in March, 2009. Since then, I completed a Master's Degree in Pastoral Ministry and still cannot get hired. I have experience in home care ministry, long-term care ministry, and hospital ministry. The Roman Catholic Church hierarchy is part of the problem as he will not endorse lay chaplains which is a major job requirement. I do not know if it is age discrimination, as I am 59. Still not work and still searching.


Thomas Rowan
Comment posted June 22, 2010 @ 1:20 am

I was laid off from my last position in March, 2009. Since then, I completed a Master's Degree in Pastoral Ministry and still cannot get hired. I have experience in home care ministry, long-term care ministry, and hospital ministry. The Roman Catholic Church hierarchy is part of the problem as he will not endorse lay chaplains which is a major job requirement. I do not know if it is age discrimination, as I am 59. Still not work and still searching.


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Comment posted June 24, 2010 @ 1:02 am

Where's my money? I need money to survive, or I'll go steal it from somebody. I want my Government to take care of me. What's a President for, anyway, if not to write me a check every week?


WorkinHard
Comment posted June 24, 2010 @ 1:02 am

Where's my money? I need money to survive, or I'll go steal it from somebody. I want my Government to take care of me. What's a President for, anyway, if not to write me a check every week?


Schofet2nd
Comment posted June 27, 2010 @ 1:51 am

@workinhard – may you know the pain of long term unemployment. You should be ashamed of yourself.


Schofet2nd
Comment posted June 27, 2010 @ 1:51 am

@workinhard – may you know the pain of long term unemployment. You should be ashamed of yourself.


Thomas Rowan
Comment posted June 27, 2010 @ 1:10 pm

Who are you talking about? The people I feel ought to be ashamed are those politicians that filibustered the bill in the Senate to provide support to states for unemployment and cobra. There rationale is not growing the deficit. There has to be another way to support those without work through no fault of their own. What is the purpose of the government, to make people suffer more?


Thomas Rowan
Comment posted June 27, 2010 @ 1:10 pm

Who are you talking about? The people I feel ought to be ashamed are those politicians that filibustered the bill in the Senate to provide support to states for unemployment and cobra. There rationale is not growing the deficit. There has to be another way to support those without work through no fault of their own. What is the purpose of the government, to make people suffer more?


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J Lee Mccann
Comment posted June 29, 2010 @ 11:05 pm

And on top of the age discrimination, I just heard on Fox News from some idiot, that it would be a good idea to help the deficit by raising the SSI age to 70. After all he is 70 & and loves working! This was a political A–H—, if you must know. Soooooooooooooo on top of getting laid off at the age of 58 for the first time in my 40 years of working FULL time, now they want me to wait till age 70 to get my SSI. I have been looking for a job for over 2 years, but due to age discrimination in the Work Force, have never even been considered. I have always been able to find work. This is my FIRST GAP in employment. It just does not matter. The 70 year old jerk I am writing about STILL HAS HIS JOB! OF COURSE HE LIKES IT. IF I STILL HAD MY JOB, I WOULD GLADLY WORK TILL I WAS 70! BUT I DON'T! AND I KNOW EVEN IF I EVER GET A JOB AGAIN, I WILL NEVER GET PAID WHAT I AM WORTH! It was all taken from me by bad decisions made by our BAD GOVERNMENT that made our ECONOMY CRASH! Then what did they do? They bailed-out THE BAD CORPORATE AMERICA that caused it all by billions and billions! Now “We the People” get to pay for the recession and the HUGE DEFICIT that they CAUSED! If they do this with Social Security, there WILL be an uprising! We are not guinea pigs to be experimented with. But we have to make them see this! We have to ACT NOW!


J Lee Mccann
Comment posted June 29, 2010 @ 11:05 pm

And on top of the age discrimination, I just heard on Fox News from some idiot, that it would be a good idea to help the deficit by raising the SSI age to 70. After all he is 70 & and loves working! This was a political A–H—, if you must know. Soooooooooooooo on top of getting laid off at the age of 58 for the first time in my 40 years of working FULL time, now they want me to wait till age 70 to get my SSI. I have been looking for a job for over 2 years, but due to age discrimination in the Work Force, have never even been considered. I have always been able to find work. This is my FIRST GAP in employment. It just does not matter. The 70 year old jerk I am writing about STILL HAS HIS JOB! OF COURSE HE LIKES IT. IF I STILL HAD MY JOB, I WOULD GLADLY WORK TILL I WAS 70! BUT I DON'T! AND I KNOW EVEN IF I EVER GET A JOB AGAIN, I WILL NEVER GET PAID WHAT I AM WORTH! It was all taken from me by bad decisions made by our BAD GOVERNMENT that made our ECONOMY CRASH! Then what did they do? They bailed-out THE BAD CORPORATE AMERICA that caused it all by billions and billions! Now “We the People” get to pay for the recession and the HUGE DEFICIT that they CAUSED! If they do this with Social Security, there WILL be an uprising! We are not guinea pigs to be experimented with. But we have to make them see this! We have to ACT NOW!


J Lee Mccann
Comment posted June 29, 2010 @ 11:09 pm

And the Republicans think it's a good idea to raise SSI to age 70!!


J Lee Mccann
Comment posted June 29, 2010 @ 11:09 pm

And the Republicans think it's a good idea to raise SSI to age 70!!


J Lee Mccann
Comment posted June 29, 2010 @ 11:11 pm

Finally, a story with a happy ending. Thanks for sharing. But that was then, this is now. If it happened to him now, his luck might not have been so good. I'm glad he's doing good!


J Lee Mccann
Comment posted June 29, 2010 @ 11:11 pm

Finally, a story with a happy ending. Thanks for sharing. But that was then, this is now. If it happened to him now, his luck might not have been so good. I'm glad he's doing good!


J Lee Mccann
Comment posted June 29, 2010 @ 11:12 pm

Yep! Get used to it. It can only get worse!


J Lee Mccann
Comment posted June 29, 2010 @ 11:12 pm

Yep! Get used to it. It can only get worse!


J Lee Mccann
Comment posted June 29, 2010 @ 11:20 pm

And don't forget, Now they are going to try to make you to wait till 70 for your SSI!


J Lee Mccann
Comment posted June 29, 2010 @ 11:20 pm

And don't forget, Now they are going to try to make you to wait till 70 for your SSI!


J Lee Mccann
Comment posted June 29, 2010 @ 11:25 pm

Sounds like a great solution. Problem is, no one can afford to spend their food-stamps anywhere but Walmart because they are CHEAPER than your mom and pop store! Do you see the catch 22 situation here!


J Lee Mccann
Comment posted June 29, 2010 @ 11:25 pm

Sounds like a great solution. Problem is, no one can afford to spend their food-stamps anywhere but Walmart because they are CHEAPER than your mom and pop store! Do you see the catch 22 situation here!


Klaasser
Comment posted July 1, 2010 @ 6:20 pm

I fully agree with everything you said, but try being 63 and getting laid off. Now it is take SS at a lower rate, be unable to make over a certain amount IF you are lucky enough to find something, or pay back part of what you made to SS. My husband lost his job 3 months before I did and he is older than me, so good luck getting in any door for an interview. 20 months now and no jobs. Now no unemployment either. Our savings are gone, our home in foreclosure, we are filing bankruptcy ( SOO not something we ever wanted to do), have poverty level income and cannot find a place to live for what we are able to pay. We are looking at a bleak future full of doing nothing we had hoped for retirement, dropping life insurance policies we no long can afford.. thus taking away more security if one of us dies, our cars are old and we cannot afford repairs is they break down and we had planned to work to age 70 so there would be enough to live on and have some security tucked away. I am grateful that the VA is available for my husband to get medical care, provide low cost meds and be there if he needs to have hospital care. I am grateful that I have reached 65 ( never thought I'd say that !!) because now I have medicare,my supplimental insurance and drug coverage have been a blessing as well as the doctors who make sure all Rx are generic. It hurt to have over $200 come out of my SS to pay for Medicare and the supplimental policies, but many would be happy to have coverage for that amount.So I thank God I now can the security of knowing if I get sick therre will be care available. I find myself unable to sleep at night thinking ( worrying) about the future…. it seems so bleak… is this ALL there is to life? Work over 40 years, do all the right things and end up with less than we had in our 20's and now have physical limitations making some jobs no longer viable! This country needs representation by people who have knowledge of the needs of the average person. How many do you suppose do the grocery shopping, fill up the tank or pay the utility bills? Oh BTW anyone ever get a week off for the 4th? No likely!!!


Klaasser
Comment posted July 1, 2010 @ 6:20 pm

I fully agree with everything you said, but try being 63 and getting laid off. Now it is take SS at a lower rate, be unable to make over a certain amount IF you are lucky enough to find something, or pay back part of what you made to SS. My husband lost his job 3 months before I did and he is older than me, so good luck getting in any door for an interview. 20 months now and no jobs. Now no unemployment either. Our savings are gone, our home in foreclosure, we are filing bankruptcy ( SOO not something we ever wanted to do), have poverty level income and cannot find a place to live for what we are able to pay. We are looking at a bleak future full of doing nothing we had hoped for retirement, dropping life insurance policies we no long can afford.. thus taking away more security if one of us dies, our cars are old and we cannot afford repairs is they break down and we had planned to work to age 70 so there would be enough to live on and have some security tucked away. I am grateful that the VA is available for my husband to get medical care, provide low cost meds and be there if he needs to have hospital care. I am grateful that I have reached 65 ( never thought I'd say that !!) because now I have medicare,my supplimental insurance and drug coverage have been a blessing as well as the doctors who make sure all Rx are generic. It hurt to have over $200 come out of my SS to pay for Medicare and the supplimental policies, but many would be happy to have coverage for that amount.So I thank God I now can the security of knowing if I get sick therre will be care available. I find myself unable to sleep at night thinking ( worrying) about the future…. it seems so bleak… is this ALL there is to life? Work over 40 years, do all the right things and end up with less than we had in our 20's and now have physical limitations making some jobs no longer viable! This country needs representation by people who have knowledge of the needs of the average person. How many do you suppose do the grocery shopping, fill up the tank or pay the utility bills? Oh BTW anyone ever get a week off for the 4th? No likely!!!


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Comment posted July 3, 2010 @ 6:26 pm

And the Republicans think it's a good idea to raise SSI to age 70!!


Wholesale Clothing
Comment posted July 3, 2010 @ 6:26 pm

And the Republicans think it's a good idea to raise SSI to age 70!!


Spencermiller
Comment posted July 4, 2010 @ 2:18 pm

“Who will help the over 50 population find work?”

This is profound and perplexing question, because there doesn't seem to an answer for those of us whose only fault is being too old.


Spencermiller
Comment posted July 4, 2010 @ 2:18 pm

“Who will help the over 50 population find work?”

This is profound and perplexing question, because there doesn't seem to an answer for those of us whose only fault is being too old.


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Karina
Comment posted July 12, 2010 @ 4:41 pm

Yes, and the average French worker who is “taken care of” by the government The average French worker lives a pathetic life that would be an embarassment to the modern American welfare queen. And American DO get unempoyment, and Medicare, and Section 8 housing, and food stamps. Your ignorance is showing. As an older woman, I don't want a government handout; I want a CAREER JOB will will allow me to use my expereince and talent to improve the perfomance of my company,


Karina
Comment posted July 12, 2010 @ 4:41 pm

Yes, and the average French worker who is “taken care of” by the government The average French worker lives a pathetic life that would be an embarassment to the modern American welfare queen. And American DO get unempoyment, and Medicare, and Section 8 housing, and food stamps. Your ignorance is showing. As an older woman, I don't want a government handout; I want a CAREER JOB will will allow me to use my expereince and talent to improve the perfomance of my company,


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Angela
Comment posted July 14, 2010 @ 4:50 pm

Add another statistic to the list. My 58 year old husband was laid off from his software engineering job a year ago and was fortunate enough to find a contract position 6 months ago. He just interviewed for a permanent position there, got all the way through multiple interviews, jumped through all the hoops, then was told they needed to interview more candidates. This after having been told in so many words that he was in, it was a done deal. I have a job, thank goodness, but things are very going to be very tight when this contract comes to an end. What is happening to our society?


Angela
Comment posted July 14, 2010 @ 4:50 pm

Add another statistic to the list. My 58 year old husband was laid off from his software engineering job a year ago and was fortunate enough to find a contract position 6 months ago. He just interviewed for a permanent position there, got all the way through multiple interviews, jumped through all the hoops, then was told they needed to interview more candidates. This after having been told in so many words that he was in, it was a done deal. I have a job, thank goodness, but things are very going to be very tight when this contract comes to an end. What is happening to our society?


Devonshire
Comment posted July 19, 2010 @ 4:35 am

Welcome to the God fearing nation who claims to value life and eschew the highest moral values.


Devonshire
Comment posted July 19, 2010 @ 4:35 am

Welcome to the God fearing nation who claims to value life and eschew the highest moral values.


Goodwoman53
Comment posted July 19, 2010 @ 4:37 am

Jealous women as well?


Goodwoman53
Comment posted July 19, 2010 @ 4:37 am

Jealous women as well?


Cjmclaugh
Comment posted July 19, 2010 @ 4:23 pm

Well, that's not true. I taught at a technical college in the area for 8 years. Plenty of older people coming back to school to learn technology and doing a good job of it. I know, I've taught them.

I quit there to work at IBM and in Feburary '09 when unemployment was at it's worse, I got laid off.

I'm 55. Now, tell me I can't get a job because I'm not adaptable to learning or not technologically astute enough.

In my case, I KNOW Metric12113 is right. Younger workers look at the fact that I've owned my own company, taught technology 8 years, AND have 20 years experience. Tell me they're not scared I might be more well educated to working with technology then they might at 28-33 (which is the more prevelant aged person, in technology, inviewing me today!).

This article just said that the numbers of older Americans unemployed proved discrimination, they just can't prove it. What we need are solutions to make more mature workers desirable to employers.

P.S. I worked sometimes 80 hrs. a week and circles around the partying, work-skipping, Pep-drink guzzling, job-hopping, cynical younger workers at my job.


Cjmclaugh
Comment posted July 19, 2010 @ 4:23 pm

Well, that's not true. I taught at a technical college in the area for 8 years. Plenty of older people coming back to school to learn technology and doing a good job of it. I know, I've taught them.
I quit there to work at IBM and in Feburary '09 when unemployment was at it's worse, I got laid off.
I'm 55. Now, tell me I can't get a job because I'm not adaptable to learning or not technologically astute enough.
In my case, I KNOW Metric12113 is right. Younger workers look at the fact that I've owned my own company, taught technology 8 years, AND have 20 years experience. Tell me they're not scared I might be more well educated to working with technology then they might at 28-33 (which is the more prevelant aged person, in technology, inviewing me today!).

This article just said that the numbers of older Americans unemployed proved discrimination, they just can't prove it. What we need are solutions to make more mature workers desirable to employers.
P.S. I worked sometimes 80 hrs. a week and circles around the partying, work-skipping, Pep-drink guzzling, job-hopping, cynical younger workers at my job.


Mcalughlinconsulting
Comment posted July 19, 2010 @ 5:21 pm

As I listen to the desperation here and listen to the disjointed Republican base on TV; I'm moved to tears.

It is clear to most Americans that Bush's policy of tax cuts to the richest Americans and his “hillbilly, Texas, made-up” version of [trickle-down to the masses] economics lead to this disaster.

The wealthy has gotten rich off of the backs of hard-working, middle to low income, unemployment-tax paying Americans, and now our backs are broken along with our banks. And NO unemployment we paid in, for 40 years, is available to us now.

Bush has sent the American tax base to into proverty. Older, now discriminated against Americans, robbed of their 401 Ks, life-savings, houses, and jobs …and then were FORCED to bail out the very industries that gambled away half of their net worth. OMG don't they get it …that we know this?

No wonder the jerks in Washington are being replaced with citizen-patriots who swear an end to Corporate funded government manipulated for and by the wealthy only.


Mcalughlinconsulting
Comment posted July 19, 2010 @ 5:21 pm

As I listen to the desperation here and listen to the disjointed Republican base on TV; I'm moved to tears.
It is clear to most Americans that Bush's policy of tax cuts to the richest Americans and his “hillbilly, Texas, made-up” version of [trickle-down to the masses] economics lead to this disaster.
The wealthy has gotten rich off of the backs of hard-working, middle to low income, unemployment-tax paying Americans, and now our backs are broken along with our banks. And NO unemployment we paid in, for 40 years, is available to us now.

Bush has sent the American tax base to into proverty. Older, now discriminated against Americans, robbed of their 401 Ks, life-savings, houses, and jobs …and then were FORCED to bail out the very industries that gambled away half of their net worth. OMG don't they get it …that we know this?
No wonder the jerks in Washington are being replaced with citizen-patriots who swear an end to Corporate funded government manipulated for and by the wealthy only.


she techie 51
Comment posted July 22, 2010 @ 6:56 am

In my experience I am seeing companies laying off and passing on hiring mature and experienced workers in lue of younger earn-while-they-learners. These younger professionals are expected to dive into roles that once went to the experienced, now at a fraction of the pay. They are viewed as having potential to make up for years of skill building. Quality is not such a preference anymore in corporate eyes. It is the bottom line that counts. The 50 somethings (and upper 40 somethings) are not only seeing skilled positions going off-shore to third world countries — now we are also competing with job seekers around the age of our children! To make matters worse, the HR managers and staffers that I encounter are generally below the age of 30. Their older predecessors were casualties to the economy, and let go (they were paid too much). It is hard to get a foot through the door when those who are screening applicants lean more toward their peers in age when it comes passing the resumes forward. I believe that it is at our country's and these company's loss to over look maturity of skilled workers who should be an asset. Most of us are going through the economy correction. We had already been furloughed, and took pay cuts before we were laid off. We have done the reality check of today's world and have tightened our belts. We are ready to work at lower wages than we did in better times. We just need the chance.


she techie 51
Comment posted July 22, 2010 @ 6:56 am

In my experience I am seeing companies laying off and passing on hiring mature and experienced workers in lue of younger earn-while-they-learners. These younger professionals are expected to dive into roles that once went to the experienced, now at a fraction of the pay. They are viewed as having potential to make up for years of skill building. Quality is not such a preference anymore in corporate eyes. It is the bottom line that counts. The 50 somethings (and upper 40 somethings) are not only seeing skilled positions going off-shore to third world countries — now we are also competing with job seekers around the age of our children! To make matters worse, the HR managers and staffers that I encounter are generally below the age of 30. Their older predecessors were casualties to the economy, and let go (they were paid too much). It is hard to get a foot through the door when those who are screening applicants lean more toward their peers in age when it comes passing the resumes forward. I believe that it is at our country's and these company's loss to over look maturity of skilled workers who should be an asset. Most of us are going through the economy correction. We had already been furloughed, and took pay cuts before we were laid off. We have done the reality check of today's world and have tightened our belts. We are ready to work at lower wages than we did in better times. We just need the chance.


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Mamaberhane
Comment posted July 30, 2010 @ 7:10 pm

I worked full time as a technology specialist for 22 years, my second career after having worked in nonprofit administration and education for 18 years prior. I earned a master's degree in technology at the age of 40 because I felt that was the place to be. During my career as a technology specialist, I not only managed computer networks and built websites, I also mentored young college students as interns in my department and taught technology classes as a adjunct instructor at a local college. When the company I worked for decided to downsize, I was laid off. I have applied for employment in my field, as I know that my skills are up to date. However, I have not been called for one interview — and the “kicker” is that I received a letter from the local employment office offering to enroll me in “basic technology classes” for older persons (how to turn on a computer, how to access the Internet and how to write a resume using wordprocessing software)! They also recommended some “jobs” for me — such as cashier and sales person jobs. I have no background in sales, so applying for those jobs did not result in me being hired (even though I would have done it while still looking for employment in my field). I am 62, totally healthy, come from a family in which people live well into their 90s, have all my mental faculties, had no intention of retiring, have high level technology expertise, and taught it as recently as last year. Will I be hired? I hope that a potential employer would look past the age issue, but the reality is that I will probably not find a job and be forced to retire early at a social security level that is not enough to live on. I talk with a lot of people (not shy) and in my conversations with younger persons who are also unemployed, I was told by one that I should be willing to move over and give the younger persons a chance (“you had yours, now it's our turn”) and by another that the unemployment problem is “your fault” (the fault of my generation) because there are “too many of you and not enough jobs”. Oy!


Mamaberhane
Comment posted July 30, 2010 @ 7:10 pm

I worked full time as a technology specialist for 22 years, my second career after having worked in nonprofit administration and education for 18 years prior. I earned a master's degree in technology at the age of 40 because I felt that was the place to be. During my career as a technology specialist, I not only managed computer networks and built websites, I also mentored young college students as interns in my department and taught technology classes as a adjunct instructor at a local college. When the company I worked for decided to downsize, I was laid off. I have applied for employment in my field, as I know that my skills are up to date. However, I have not been called for one interview — and the “kicker” is that I received a letter from the local employment office offering to enroll me in “basic technology classes” for older persons (how to turn on a computer, how to access the Internet and how to write a resume using wordprocessing software)! They also recommended some “jobs” for me — such as cashier and sales person jobs. I have no background in sales, so applying for those jobs did not result in me being hired (even though I would have done it while still looking for employment in my field). I am 62, totally healthy, come from a family in which people live well into their 90s, have all my mental faculties, had no intention of retiring, have high level technology expertise, and taught it as recently as last year. Will I be hired? I hope that a potential employer would look past the age issue, but the reality is that I will probably not find a job and be forced to retire early at a social security level that is not enough to live on. I talk with a lot of people (not shy) and in my conversations with younger persons who are also unemployed, I was told by one that I should be willing to move over and give the younger persons a chance (“you had yours, now it's our turn”) and by another that the unemployment problem is “your fault” (the fault of my generation) because there are “too many of you and not enough jobs”. Oy!


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Jacquie
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PH
Comment posted September 12, 2010 @ 1:43 pm

My husband passed away at the beginning of the economic crisis while I was in law school. During his health decline, and as my 175 mile round trip drive to law school got old – I elected an on-line school. However, on-line schools are not ABA approved and except for the state I lived in – my new state has requirements under their Constitution that mandates that I am ineligible to sit for the bar exam because I did not attend an ABA approved school. In the meantime, I moved 3500 miles away to this state to compensate for widowhood and lack of income!

To resolve this situation – I refinanced my new home and am completing requirements to sit for the CPA examination in my new state. In the meantime, however, I need at least a part-time job to sustain my eating habits so I applied at the local college that I am attending. I actually got an interview!

This part-time 15 hour a week, minimum wage position would just cover my gas costs – but I didn't care – I was so excited to do something that I would love. No one in this entire State has the experience that I do in this specialized area and I still did not get hired for the position. What happened?

I look 50 but am nearing 70 that's what happened! Try and prove it. This position is what I would call a transient position – employees leave when they graduate or they may keep the position as long as they stay in school. Talk about depressed! Oy!

At least I know one thing for certain – if my memory holds and my $$$ holds and I can finish school and pass the CPA exam – I will be self-employed as a JD/CPA and no one can take that away from me!


PH
Comment posted September 12, 2010 @ 1:43 pm

My husband passed away at the beginning of the economic crisis while I was in law school. During his health decline, and as my 175 mile round trip drive to law school got old – I elected an on-line school. However, on-line schools are not ABA approved and except for the state I lived in – my new state has requirements under their Constitution that mandates that I am ineligible to sit for the bar exam because I did not attend an ABA approved school. In the meantime, I moved 3500 miles away to this state to compensate for widowhood and lack of income!

To resolve this situation – I refinanced my new home and am completing requirements to sit for the CPA examination in my new state. In the meantime, however, I need at least a part-time job to sustain my eating habits so I applied at the local college that I am attending. I actually got an interview!

This part-time 15 hour a week, minimum wage position would just cover my gas costs – but I didn't care – I was so excited to do something that I would love. No one in this entire State has the experience that I do in this specialized area and I still did not get hired for the position. What happened?

I look 50 but am nearing 70 that's what happened! Try and prove it. This position is what I would call a transient position – employees leave when they graduate or they may keep the position as long as they stay in school. Talk about depressed! Oy!

At least I know one thing for certain – if my memory holds and my $$$ holds and I can finish school and pass the CPA exam – I will be self-employed as a JD/CPA and no one can take that away from me!


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Deb at 57
Comment posted November 30, 2010 @ 12:45 am

Relax: If you’re 58 now, you won’t have to wait til 70 to retire, you’ll still have the same plan you’ve always had. All of the reform ideas being floated now are applied to workers under 55 – altho I think 40 & under is a more realistic age to apply reforms to. As the recent econ meltdown has shown me, recouping a lot of lost pre-existing retirement svgs takes a LOT more time/years than a typical 55-yr old has before older age problems may force them to quit working….


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Comment posted December 4, 2010 @ 9:27 am

Agreed. I have a younger friend in the UK. It makes me PUKE when he tells me how many mandatory paid days off and vacation days they get, plus time for sick-paid-days off, even medical care. And they bitch here about the no pre-existing conditions law just passed for insurance companies!!


Woodntya L
Comment posted December 4, 2010 @ 9:27 am

Agreed. I have a younger friend in the UK. It makes me PUKE when he tells me how many mandatory paid days off and vacation days they get, plus time for sick-paid-days off, even medical care. And they bitch here about the no pre-existing conditions law just passed for insurance companies!!


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