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		<title>By: louis vuitton</title>
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		<dc:creator>louis vuitton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Aug 2010 07:36:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can&#039;t fix it until you quit breaking it.</description>
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		<title>By: Loan Modification leads</title>
		<link>http://washingtonindependent.com/865/wall-st-still-hasnt-learned/comment-page-1#comment-32836</link>
		<dc:creator>Loan Modification leads</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 23:24:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Pres Obama was doing a great job compare to Bush and Cheney.. Obama Has a good plan for the country of America..</description>
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		<title>By: johnhkennedy</title>
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		<dc:creator>johnhkennedy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 15:44:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>?? a test</description>
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		<title>By: John H Kennedy</title>
		<link>http://washingtonindependent.com/865/wall-st-still-hasnt-learned/comment-page-1#comment-23281</link>
		<dc:creator>John H Kennedy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 15:33:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If more of these people went to jail we would have fewer problems.&lt;br&gt;Bush and Cheney did nothing to reign them in.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;At least with Obama we have some hope of a better life. Under Bush and Cheney we had none. Once the neocons get back in power we will be screwed for all time. They will be back in power Unless some go to jail. The only thing they fear is prosecution.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;We must prosecute Cheney, Bush &amp; their lawbreaking Lawyers&lt;br&gt;if we want our officials to consistently obey our Laws &amp; Constitution.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Sign The Petition To Indict Them&lt;br&gt;and push Obama to have AG Holder appoint a Special Prosecutor @ ANGRYVoters DOT Org&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://ANGRYVoters.org&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://ANGRYVoters.org&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Over 63,000 have signed&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Join Them!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;PLEASE Forward to everyone you know&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If more of these people went to jail we would have fewer problems.<br />Bush and Cheney did nothing to reign them in.</p>
<p>At least with Obama we have some hope of a better life. Under Bush and Cheney we had none. Once the neocons get back in power we will be screwed for all time. They will be back in power Unless some go to jail. The only thing they fear is prosecution.</p>
<p>We must prosecute Cheney, Bush &#038; their lawbreaking Lawyers<br />if we want our officials to consistently obey our Laws &#038; Constitution.</p>
<p>Sign The Petition To Indict Them<br />and push Obama to have AG Holder appoint a Special Prosecutor @ ANGRYVoters DOT Org</p>
<p><a href="http://ANGRYVoters.org" rel="nofollow">http://ANGRYVoters.org</a></p>
<p>Over 63,000 have signed</p>
<p>Join Them!</p>
<p>PLEASE Forward to everyone you know</p>
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		<title>By: oscar</title>
		<link>http://washingtonindependent.com/865/wall-st-still-hasnt-learned/comment-page-1#comment-3962</link>
		<dc:creator>oscar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 22:32:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are things bad enough yet, has there been enough evidence of what always happens with unchecked markets, that there&#039;s a reasonable chance of regulation in our financial system? It&#039;s amazing how a-historic we are, and how we ignore everything from the tulip mania to the south seas bubble to the internet bonanza and pretend that there&#039;s a &quot;new paradigm&quot; where the fundamentals don&#039;t apply. People will always be greedy and will always need rules to mitigate that greed. It&#039;s like John Adams said, &quot;If men were angels,  no government would be necessary&quot;. Well, they ain&#039;t and it is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are things bad enough yet, has there been enough evidence of what always happens with unchecked markets, that there&#39;s a reasonable chance of regulation in our financial system? It&#39;s amazing how a-historic we are, and how we ignore everything from the tulip mania to the south seas bubble to the internet bonanza and pretend that there&#39;s a &#8220;new paradigm&#8221; where the fundamentals don&#39;t apply. People will always be greedy and will always need rules to mitigate that greed. It&#39;s like John Adams said, &#8220;If men were angels,  no government would be necessary&#8221;. Well, they ain&#39;t and it is.</p>
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		<title>By: oscar</title>
		<link>http://washingtonindependent.com/865/wall-st-still-hasnt-learned/comment-page-1#comment-3963</link>
		<dc:creator>oscar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 22:32:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are things bad enough yet, has there been enough evidence of what always happens with unchecked markets, that there&#039;s a reasonable chance of regulation in our financial system? It&#039;s amazing how a-historic we are, and how we ignore everything from the tulip mania to the south seas bubble to the internet bonanza and pretend that there&#039;s a &quot;new paradigm&quot; where the fundamentals don&#039;t apply. People will always be greedy and will always need rules to mitigate that greed. It&#039;s like John Adams said, &quot;If men were angels,  no government would be necessary&quot;. Well, they ain&#039;t and it is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are things bad enough yet, has there been enough evidence of what always happens with unchecked markets, that there&#39;s a reasonable chance of regulation in our financial system? It&#39;s amazing how a-historic we are, and how we ignore everything from the tulip mania to the south seas bubble to the internet bonanza and pretend that there&#39;s a &#8220;new paradigm&#8221; where the fundamentals don&#39;t apply. People will always be greedy and will always need rules to mitigate that greed. It&#39;s like John Adams said, &#8220;If men were angels,  no government would be necessary&#8221;. Well, they ain&#39;t and it is.</p>
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		<title>By: btowne</title>
		<link>http://washingtonindependent.com/865/wall-st-still-hasnt-learned/comment-page-1#comment-3960</link>
		<dc:creator>btowne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 22:23:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a bit confused as to how the author gets to the 400x leverage ratio.  I understand the 5x and 100x leverage ratio.  However, I am unsure how the author gets to the 400x leverage ratio.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Lets assume (since the author is not including the 5x leverage ratio from the first example), that in this case, $1,000,000 in new equity has been infused into the Company (yippee).  I now can take that and buy $1,000,000 worth of mortgages.  No leverage yet.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Now - assume I transfer these mortgages into a CDO (Called CDO-A).  CDO A then sells the $950,000 non-equity tranch, and we keep the $50,000 equity stake.  A couple of things.  First of all, CDO&#039;s are typically issued with two potential traits:  Guranteed and non-Guranteed.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In example 1:  there is no leverage, since what Lehman did was sell an asset, and there is a legal transfer of ownership to the CDO, and Lehman is only responsible for the $50,000 equity piece.  Any losses in excess of the CDO are either the new CDO Share owners or if the mortgages were insured by AMBAC or MBIA (both of which are in huge trouble right now), their issue, not Lehman&#039;s.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In example 2:  assume this really is just a collaterlized loan, and the CDO owners require Lehman to guarantee the underlying securities.  Lehman then invests in a $950,000 equity tranches.  But remember, there are already mortgages underlying the $950,000.  Assume those perform well, and there are no losses in CDO-A,  but Lehman lost everything in the other equity tranches it invested in.  Yes, I agree Lehman lost the $950,000.  But CDO-A is still performing well, so in reality, it would not be required to pay the upper tranch security holders.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;THE ONLY way that the above author&#039;s scenario works from what I can tell (again - please correct me if I am wrong), is if Lehman takes $1,000,000 and buys $1,000,000 in Equity just equity tranches.  It then sells a new CDO called &quot;CDO Equity Tranch-B&quot;, guarantees the value of all of the equity tranches (as this is designed more as a collateralized loan than a sale of an asset).  But it cannot sell the lowest tranch (the Equity Tranch of the Equity Tranch CDO).  In this case, you would have a 20 x 20 leverage situation.  But again - this is NOT the situation presented by the author.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But remember, the $950,000 is borrowed perhaps, but the interest payments are not coming directly from Lehman, and typically, there are no margin calls on CDO&#039;s no?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Now assume I take this $950,000 and buy only other CDO Equity tranches, I guess</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a bit confused as to how the author gets to the 400x leverage ratio.  I understand the 5x and 100x leverage ratio.  However, I am unsure how the author gets to the 400x leverage ratio.</p>
<p>Lets assume (since the author is not including the 5x leverage ratio from the first example), that in this case, $1,000,000 in new equity has been infused into the Company (yippee).  I now can take that and buy $1,000,000 worth of mortgages.  No leverage yet.</p>
<p>Now &#8211; assume I transfer these mortgages into a CDO (Called CDO-A).  CDO A then sells the $950,000 non-equity tranch, and we keep the $50,000 equity stake.  A couple of things.  First of all, CDO&#39;s are typically issued with two potential traits:  Guranteed and non-Guranteed.</p>
<p>In example 1:  there is no leverage, since what Lehman did was sell an asset, and there is a legal transfer of ownership to the CDO, and Lehman is only responsible for the $50,000 equity piece.  Any losses in excess of the CDO are either the new CDO Share owners or if the mortgages were insured by AMBAC or MBIA (both of which are in huge trouble right now), their issue, not Lehman&#39;s.</p>
<p>In example 2:  assume this really is just a collaterlized loan, and the CDO owners require Lehman to guarantee the underlying securities.  Lehman then invests in a $950,000 equity tranches.  But remember, there are already mortgages underlying the $950,000.  Assume those perform well, and there are no losses in CDO-A,  but Lehman lost everything in the other equity tranches it invested in.  Yes, I agree Lehman lost the $950,000.  But CDO-A is still performing well, so in reality, it would not be required to pay the upper tranch security holders.</p>
<p>THE ONLY way that the above author&#39;s scenario works from what I can tell (again &#8211; please correct me if I am wrong), is if Lehman takes $1,000,000 and buys $1,000,000 in Equity just equity tranches.  It then sells a new CDO called &#8220;CDO Equity Tranch-B&#8221;, guarantees the value of all of the equity tranches (as this is designed more as a collateralized loan than a sale of an asset).  But it cannot sell the lowest tranch (the Equity Tranch of the Equity Tranch CDO).  In this case, you would have a 20 x 20 leverage situation.  But again &#8211; this is NOT the situation presented by the author.</p>
<p>But remember, the $950,000 is borrowed perhaps, but the interest payments are not coming directly from Lehman, and typically, there are no margin calls on CDO&#39;s no?</p>
<p>Now assume I take this $950,000 and buy only other CDO Equity tranches, I guess</p>
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		<title>By: btowne</title>
		<link>http://washingtonindependent.com/865/wall-st-still-hasnt-learned/comment-page-1#comment-3961</link>
		<dc:creator>btowne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 22:23:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a bit confused as to how the author gets to the 400x leverage ratio.  I understand the 5x and 100x leverage ratio.  However, I am unsure how the author gets to the 400x leverage ratio.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Lets assume (since the author is not including the 5x leverage ratio from the first example), that in this case, $1,000,000 in new equity has been infused into the Company (yippee).  I now can take that and buy $1,000,000 worth of mortgages.  No leverage yet.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Now - assume I transfer these mortgages into a CDO (Called CDO-A).  CDO A then sells the $950,000 non-equity tranch, and we keep the $50,000 equity stake.  A couple of things.  First of all, CDO&#039;s are typically issued with two potential traits:  Guranteed and non-Guranteed.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In example 1:  there is no leverage, since what Lehman did was sell an asset, and there is a legal transfer of ownership to the CDO, and Lehman is only responsible for the $50,000 equity piece.  Any losses in excess of the CDO are either the new CDO Share owners or if the mortgages were insured by AMBAC or MBIA (both of which are in huge trouble right now), their issue, not Lehman&#039;s.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In example 2:  assume this really is just a collaterlized loan, and the CDO owners require Lehman to guarantee the underlying securities.  Lehman then invests in a $950,000 equity tranches.  But remember, there are already mortgages underlying the $950,000.  Assume those perform well, and there are no losses in CDO-A,  but Lehman lost everything in the other equity tranches it invested in.  Yes, I agree Lehman lost the $950,000.  But CDO-A is still performing well, so in reality, it would not be required to pay the upper tranch security holders.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;THE ONLY way that the above author&#039;s scenario works from what I can tell (again - please correct me if I am wrong), is if Lehman takes $1,000,000 and buys $1,000,000 in Equity just equity tranches.  It then sells a new CDO called &quot;CDO Equity Tranch-B&quot;, guarantees the value of all of the equity tranches (as this is designed more as a collateralized loan than a sale of an asset).  But it cannot sell the lowest tranch (the Equity Tranch of the Equity Tranch CDO).  In this case, you would have a 20 x 20 leverage situation.  But again - this is NOT the situation presented by the author.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But remember, the $950,000 is borrowed perhaps, but the interest payments are not coming directly from Lehman, and typically, there are no margin calls on CDO&#039;s no?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Now assume I take this $950,000 and buy only other CDO Equity tranches, I guess</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a bit confused as to how the author gets to the 400x leverage ratio.  I understand the 5x and 100x leverage ratio.  However, I am unsure how the author gets to the 400x leverage ratio.</p>
<p>Lets assume (since the author is not including the 5x leverage ratio from the first example), that in this case, $1,000,000 in new equity has been infused into the Company (yippee).  I now can take that and buy $1,000,000 worth of mortgages.  No leverage yet.</p>
<p>Now &#8211; assume I transfer these mortgages into a CDO (Called CDO-A).  CDO A then sells the $950,000 non-equity tranch, and we keep the $50,000 equity stake.  A couple of things.  First of all, CDO&#39;s are typically issued with two potential traits:  Guranteed and non-Guranteed.</p>
<p>In example 1:  there is no leverage, since what Lehman did was sell an asset, and there is a legal transfer of ownership to the CDO, and Lehman is only responsible for the $50,000 equity piece.  Any losses in excess of the CDO are either the new CDO Share owners or if the mortgages were insured by AMBAC or MBIA (both of which are in huge trouble right now), their issue, not Lehman&#39;s.</p>
<p>In example 2:  assume this really is just a collaterlized loan, and the CDO owners require Lehman to guarantee the underlying securities.  Lehman then invests in a $950,000 equity tranches.  But remember, there are already mortgages underlying the $950,000.  Assume those perform well, and there are no losses in CDO-A,  but Lehman lost everything in the other equity tranches it invested in.  Yes, I agree Lehman lost the $950,000.  But CDO-A is still performing well, so in reality, it would not be required to pay the upper tranch security holders.</p>
<p>THE ONLY way that the above author&#39;s scenario works from what I can tell (again &#8211; please correct me if I am wrong), is if Lehman takes $1,000,000 and buys $1,000,000 in Equity just equity tranches.  It then sells a new CDO called &#8220;CDO Equity Tranch-B&#8221;, guarantees the value of all of the equity tranches (as this is designed more as a collateralized loan than a sale of an asset).  But it cannot sell the lowest tranch (the Equity Tranch of the Equity Tranch CDO).  In this case, you would have a 20 x 20 leverage situation.  But again &#8211; this is NOT the situation presented by the author.</p>
<p>But remember, the $950,000 is borrowed perhaps, but the interest payments are not coming directly from Lehman, and typically, there are no margin calls on CDO&#39;s no?</p>
<p>Now assume I take this $950,000 and buy only other CDO Equity tranches, I guess</p>
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		<title>By: nemesis</title>
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		<dc:creator>nemesis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 09:28:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quem deus vult perdere---!</description>
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		<title>By: oscar</title>
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		<dc:creator>oscar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are things bad enough yet, has there been enough evidence of what always happens with unchecked markets, that there&#039;s a reasonable chance of regulation in our financial system? It&#039;s amazing how a-historic we are, and how we ignore everything from the tulip mania to the south seas bubble to the internet bonanza and pretend that there&#039;s a &quot;new paradigm&quot; where the fundamentals don&#039;t apply. People will always be greedy and will always need rules to mitigate that greed. It&#039;s like John Adams said, &quot;If men were angels,  no government would be necessary&quot;. Well, they ain&#039;t and it is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are things bad enough yet, has there been enough evidence of what always happens with unchecked markets, that there&#8217;s a reasonable chance of regulation in our financial system? It&#8217;s amazing how a-historic we are, and how we ignore everything from the tulip mania to the south seas bubble to the internet bonanza and pretend that there&#8217;s a &#8220;new paradigm&#8221; where the fundamentals don&#8217;t apply. People will always be greedy and will always need rules to mitigate that greed. It&#8217;s like John Adams said, &#8220;If men were angels,  no government would be necessary&#8221;. Well, they ain&#8217;t and it is.</p>
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