Mises Institute Chairman: FBI Might Have Infiltrated the Tea Parties

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Thursday, April 01, 2010 at 12:49 pm

I missed this post by Lew Rockwell, the chairman of the Mises Institute and one of the most quietly influential libertarian writers in America, when it ran last week. But the pushback against the “Tea Party anger” narrative hasn’t stopped, so it remains relevant.

[R]ecent Tea Party people who allegedly denounced a Parkinson’s patient or spat at gay and black congressmen might well have been agents. Offensive signs might be Made in DC too. Next might come calls for violence by alleged Tea Party types, and perhaps acts, which can be used to suppress dissent. Peaceful resistance is not only right, it is all that works, unless you are with the state. If anyone urges the use of violence, the state’s characteristic action, he is probably an agent.

I wouldn’t be at all surprised to see this theory spread.

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fgfm
Comment posted April 1, 2010 @ 4:57 pm

I'm surprised that this assclown didn't claim that violence is collectivist.


Andrew
Comment posted April 1, 2010 @ 5:00 pm

i also wouldn't be surprised to learn that it is 100% true


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mantis
Comment posted April 1, 2010 @ 5:09 pm

He's just laying the groundwork for later denials. He's anticipating violence, and wants to blame it on a giant conspiracy before the fact.


msfreeh
Comment posted April 1, 2010 @ 5:39 pm

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strangely_enough
Comment posted April 1, 2010 @ 5:42 pm

The use of “provocateurs” by government agencies would not be surprising. But, just because they are out to get you, doesn't mean you aren't paranoid.

I guess it's only disturbing when it's not swarthy Muslim types, black militants, or dirty hippies being subjected to it.


ccatl
Comment posted April 1, 2010 @ 6:22 pm

The guy in Ohio already apologized for verbally berating the Parkinson's patient… so that sort of shoots his argument in the foot. Although nothing is more entertaining than to watch these conservatives devolve into paranoid idiots. It's scary, because you know they will snap and we could end up with another Oklahoma City situation, but in the mean time, it is certainly fun to watch.


DystopiaResident
Comment posted April 1, 2010 @ 6:30 pm

I wouldn't dismiss him outright. Police routinely infiltrate anarchist circles and peaceful protests and incite violence or otherwise do things that will make them look bad.

I happen to think the feds want a right-wing extremist element to crack down on in order to strengthen anti-”terrorism” laws. A black president? Come on…


Cindy L
Comment posted April 1, 2010 @ 6:45 pm

I have been thinking the same thing. There are examples of this going back to the 60s and the antiwar movement. I think if something really strikes a chord with the people and it means a change in Washington then the use of provocateurs is the best way to turn public sentiment. Those on the opposing side (of whatever the movement is) are willing to believe the provacation rather than admit they “might” have a point. Another way the Democratic/Republican animosity works to the powers that be's advantage.
“Not paranoid just lived enough life to see this over and over and over again.”:


JUST A NORMAL GUY-THE ORIGINAL
Comment posted April 1, 2010 @ 6:47 pm

WELL EVERY BODY KNOW THAT ANY RACIALIST REMARK’S MADE AT A TEA PARTY PROTEST WEAR MADE BY LIB’S ACTING AS ‘AGENT PROVACOTUER’ WELL MANY OF MY BEST FREIND’S ARE BLACK AND THEY ALL SUPPORT THE TEA PARTY SO THEIR CA’NT BE RACIALISM AMONG US.

WELL I GUESS THE BLEEDING-HARD LIB'S ARE MAD THAT WE 'TOOK IT TO HEART' THE ADVISE OF THEY'RE HERO RODNEY KING 'ARE YOU SURE WE CA'NT ALL GET ALONG TOGETHER?'


Sarcastro
Comment posted April 1, 2010 @ 6:55 pm

Ah yes, the party of personal responsibility.

So, what do you have left? Iraq deep-sixed the notion that the right has the first clue about security, torture apologias have blown any claim to the moral high-ground out of the water, law and order fell as soon as a scary dark-skinned threat appeared and now nothing you do or say could possibly mean anything.

Fear and Loathing is all you got left. Not much of a platform.


teainct
Comment posted April 1, 2010 @ 6:55 pm

SO by my calculations, if feds are responsible for every stupid and hateful thing done by the Tea Party, there are 25 actual Tea Partiers.


teainct
Comment posted April 1, 2010 @ 6:56 pm

I think the overuse of all-caps (let alone the actual content) pretty much refutes the name you assigned yourself.


Xero
Comment posted April 1, 2010 @ 6:58 pm

Nice April fool there.


jean
Comment posted April 1, 2010 @ 6:59 pm

LOL, by this logic all the readership and commenter's on the Conservative New websites like the Orange County Register and Riverside County Press Enterprise are Government Agents.

Get a clue and go see someone about your paranoia problem.


Xero
Comment posted April 1, 2010 @ 6:59 pm

Which was directed at the “NORMAL GUY!!!”

reply fail…


Xero
Comment posted April 1, 2010 @ 7:02 pm

Also, I wonder if Mr. Rockwell thinks Timothy McVeigh was an “agent of the state.”


billrutherford
Comment posted April 1, 2010 @ 7:07 pm

First he tried to deny he did it, then he delivered a completely insincere apology. Nothing's been shot in the foot.


kindness
Comment posted April 1, 2010 @ 7:41 pm

I expect the FBI has infiltrated some of these groups. But I hardly think an infiltrator will become a lead agitator. There are too many racists & loonies out there in the Tea Party movement to blame them all on government infiltrators. Then again, during the bush43 years, I wouldn't have been surprised.


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mak
Comment posted April 1, 2010 @ 8:03 pm

Now THAT is what I call a spoof.


fgfm
Comment posted April 1, 2010 @ 8:04 pm

Rockwell's site has all sorts of anti-Lincoln propaganda, so he probably considered McVeigh an ally.


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chrisjay
Comment posted April 1, 2010 @ 10:41 pm

The visual which NORMALGUY evokes is a sort of a rightwing Chris Farley…anyway this 'agent provocateur' meme will have to withstand the heightened scrutiny which today's digital media affords the masses. To wit: the typical 'provocatively' misbehaving teabagger of today is much more easily identified by the reach of youtube & the internet than ever before. The anonymity neccessary to be an effectively disruptive infiltrator seems to be increasingly unlikely with the ever-present phone-cam & video feed at our disposal.
Nice try though, 'baggerz


chrisjay
Comment posted April 1, 2010 @ 11:06 pm

um, the point ccatl is making is that the misanthrope who abused the Parkinson's patient has been identified and has acknowledged being the perp—-as opposed to an unidentified 'agent provocateur', which would affirm & reinforce this lame theory…it is the 'FBI agent' theory which has been shot in the foot


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Snertly
Comment posted April 2, 2010 @ 2:45 am

So any Tea Party member who advocates violence is not a Tea Party member but is, instead, an undercover agent provocateur? How convenient!


Dusty
Comment posted April 2, 2010 @ 12:01 pm

Republicans love to put the blame on somebody else, that's too funny. Especially since they are now trying to put blame on democrats for all the T bagger craziness that's been going on for well over a years now. So now it's the government agents fault. Ok!


giantslor
Comment posted April 3, 2010 @ 2:44 am

Wow, that theory is stupid as fuck, which means the teabaggers will probably start chanting it in unison.


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Joe
Comment posted April 4, 2010 @ 5:29 am

Maybe this is a good thing; get those guys to turn on each other. If they decide that the guy living on government assistance and telling them to throw bricks through Democrats' windows might be a provocateur, then maybe they'll be more reluctant to throw bricks, and they can turn on each other instead.


richarddulee
Comment posted April 4, 2010 @ 6:02 am

I am surprised you can still find a libertarian in the tea bag party. Most of us were thrown out when the neo-cons took over a few months ago,


shpilk
Comment posted April 4, 2010 @ 6:04 am

Yeah, it must be true, because when you ask any of the idiots that show up to the rallies what it's all about, they can't answer. That means they're ALL plants of the commie socialist plot to take over gubmint and git our guns!

(I've got to find a better disguise when I go to these things.)


splashy79
Comment posted April 4, 2010 @ 6:16 am

I might consider this if they were anti-war and peacemongers, but the tea partiers don't appear to be that. As with the history of the abortion terrorists, many of the groups that have joined the tea partiers have a long history of advocating violence.

Oh, and what about the Republican leaders that are doing it? Are they FBI agents?


BCPipes
Comment posted April 4, 2010 @ 8:20 am

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/0116-09…


fdd
Comment posted April 4, 2010 @ 9:06 am

Isn't Lew Rockwell the guy who wrote the racist Ron Paul newsletters?

Maybe the FBI infiltrated his hands while he was typing them up.


PASC
Comment posted April 4, 2010 @ 10:18 am

Great idea. Anything that torpedos the Stupid Parade is a good thing.

Democracy of dumb and dumber.

God how I'd LOVE to ask a tea partier questions and insist they answer; Ya wobder why the polls never do?


Salmo
Comment posted April 4, 2010 @ 1:08 pm

Well, I certainly hope that the FBI has infiltrated the violent cells of the Tea Party. However, the notion that the Tea Party is alright, and that they are just victims yet again when the violent, racist, homophobic roots start to show is the sort of nonsense that begs for mockery.


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peter_principle
Comment posted April 4, 2010 @ 5:47 pm

“If anyone urges the use of violence, the state’s characteristic action, he is probably an agent.”

Well, logic has never been one of Lew's strong suits.


pbrower2a
Comment posted April 5, 2010 @ 5:34 am

Anyone who has genuine black friends would take offense at racist placards among fellow tea-partiers.

Most of my liberal friends cannot be described as “bleeding hearts”.

ALL CAPS are for dimwits.


Jim
Comment posted April 14, 2010 @ 5:10 pm

Where would anyone get such an idea? Provacateurs are only in spy novels right?

Except these guys apparently.


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