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Haha…these teabaggers crack me up!

“the Obama/Pelosi/Reid axis of political evil”…Bwahahaha!!

We need lawyers who can help us draft model statutes that people can give to their state senators and representatives to introduce in their state legislature.

I know one who can help! She may get disbarred by the state of California soon, but it doesn't matter!

Seriously, I would love to read the repeal legislation written by teabaggers. Laff riot.

Um, if you don't like your elected officials there's already a way to get rid if them: elections. You lost, tea-party nation. Get over it.

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The Tea Party protesters are beginning to scare me.

This past weekend mobs of angry protesters surrounded and hounded black congressmen hurling racial epitaphs at them. It reminded me of the angry white mobs that surrounded the black school kids at Central High School Little Rock, Arkansas in 1957.

Republicans were quick to condemn the tactics but the damage had been done and the TV camera kept replaying the incident over and over.

The beauty of the American system is that everyone is free to express their opinions and vote their way. We may not agree but we respectfully allow the other person to vote as they see fit. When angry mobs spit and hurl insults at Congressmen because they are not happy with their vote, we degenerate into the mob that tried to intimidate blacks from attending white schools 60 years ago.

Will civility every return to the American system? Or are we seeing the death of some noble experiment in democracy that no one seems interested practicing anymore.

If our ideas divide us and make us hate each other, how can we sell the idea of democracy to the rest of the world. How can we ask Israelis and Arabs , Shiites and Sunnis, Muslims and Hindus to settle their disagreements if we cannot be examples of how democracy can make a country better?

Recall Congress?

Like the low-brow nature of their ranks, they know little in regard to how this nation operates. And they wanted to “change” the way Washington does business? One can only imagine the clusterf**k they would have instituted (I say would have, because their “righteous” change, based on how little they know, would damage this country in inumerable ways, and their “movement” will fizzle, eventually).

We have enough racists and extremists. We don't need them in positions of power.

I have followed the Tea Party closely and with some support for their ideas. I feel and know the anger that they are expressing. I do not see a particular focus on actually fixing the problems. Let us examine that more closely.

I have heard the suggestion of an amendment to force a balanced budget, also an amendment for term limits. Both of these ideas are trying to codify responsibility. That never works. Didn’t work with the 16th, 17th, and 18th amendments! What makes anybody think that it would work for a balanced budget or term limits?

Let me be a bit more explicit. At the end of the Revolutionary War, there were 13 stand alone sovereign nations. It took six years to agree on the idea of a single nation, write a constitution and pass it. Part of the agreement was the individual sovereign nations gave up their sovereignty in turn for representation in Congress, ie the Senate. Does anyone know what and why the difference is between the Senate and the House of Representatives? I’ve talked to some older people (70 plus) and they never new that the Senate was originally elected by the State legislators. DID YOU?

Think of the implications….healthcare reform, unfunded mandates, immigration, official national language, border security, enemy combatants….and the list goes on. Health care issues alone are a perfect example of why you never, never, never, give up your right to representation.

Perhaps, instead of the lawsuits, the states should read Article V of the Constitution. It only takes 34 states to call a constitutional convention. 36 states are proposing lawsuits. It takes 3/4 of the states, 38 by my count, to repeal the amendment and get back their rightful representation as indicated in Article 1, Section 3. Repeal the 17th amendment!

Should this be a litmus test for the November elections? before Article V of the Constitution is amended as well.

as a matter of fact they might… when all is said and done. u probably are not even aware of the original tea party. ignorance is bliss I suppose.

The original tea party has nothing in common with this new “incarnation”. Back then, it was prospective Americans fighting against the interests of a “foreign” power.
The baggers of today are fighting their own. Their interpretation of the Constitution is also questionable, at best. Like the idiot birfers, arbitrary interpretation doesn't cut it. Ask any Constitutional scholar.

Also, to repeal, it has to cross the President's desk. Think he's going to repeal it? Yes, ignorance must be bliss. You would know.

I'm a tea partier and my concerns with the new healthcare legislation are pretty valid. The main problems with healthcare are malpractice suits and the lack of competition because insurance cannot be sold across state lines. Another problem, which cannot be fixed by legislation anyway, is that people simply don't take care of their own health. This third issue sounds odd, but when I asked my brother, who is a nurse as a large hospital, why he thought healthcare costs were out of control, that was his answer. He's in the healthcare trenches, and in his opinion, a surprising number of patients ended up in the hospital because of the health choices they made. You can't fix that with a giant government bureaucracy that takes over 17% of the nation's economy.

It's not that tea partiers don't want people to have healthcare. I completely understand this problem. But to blindly give that much control to an already self-indulgent, ethically challenged government isn't prudent. I don't understand how you can dismiss this concern.

TPG, Do you understand why most people don't take teabaggers seriously? Your answer to the HC problems are just repug talking points.

So called tort reform will save a whopping 1% of total HC costs while denying restitution to patients who have been butchered by incompetent doctors. The repugs want this because the hate trial lawyers not to help HC.

Allowing interstate insurance will do nothing to lower costs when the insurance cabal is exempt from antitrust laws. The only way to lower costs is real competition like the public option would offer.

If you want to help you teabaggers need to develop real ideas not repeat things you hear on Faux News. I doubt that this is possible since you and the rest of the right-wing have shown your true colors at the last HC demonstrations.

Where are you getting your 1% statistic? That seems bizarrely low. As much I like the startling notion that med mal does not affect healthcare–if only because it is startling—It's hard to believe it.

On a Injuryboard.com forum a vice president of med mal claims stated simply, “lawsuits affect premiums.” Pure and simple. Premiums can put a doctor out of business. He also stated “There are counties in Florida w/o neurosurgeons nor OB's, directly due to the unavailability of insurance and guarantee of suits regardless of merit. . Premium levels have approached the coverage limits for some specialties. Directly related to lawsuits.”

This doesn't mean that the OB's or neurosurgeons in that county have stopped practicing, they just went somewhere else. It's obviously a problem that should be addressed, not some easily dismissed “repug talking point”.

The Sons of Liberty would have thrown the teabaggers into Boston Harbor, or ridden them out of town on a rail.

Selling across state lines still does not address the high costs. Since the HII is comprised of only a very few monolithic companies, how does seliing across state lines lower that cost? It doesn't.
Folk don't take care of themselves because they have “bought” into the idea that pharmaceuticals will cure all their ills. You've seen the commercials. With a medication that has more serious side-effects than it purportedly ameliorates, I wouldn't touch them with a barge pole. Preventive medicine was included in the public option, which was roundly excoriated.

Healthcare costs are out of control because of, again, the HII. They consistently overcharge Medicare and Medicaid for so-called “services” and supplies. Then there is fraud, waste and abuse of the system. These would also have been addressed by the public option AND single-payer.

Your number is erroneous. It is already more than that now, and the American people are being victimized. It also becomes lower with each year, with more improvements of the system.

The parts of the now law that address the injustices foisted on us by the HII were addressed in the law by Dems. All the other provisions were Republican. You know, the ones that don't do much, or put money in the pockets of the HII? Those were the olive branch President Obama included that were vilified by the Republicans, themselves.

Your “movement” has been frightened to seditious activity by the likes of Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Michelle Malkin and the other fear and hate merchants on Fox Noise. Fox is the only network that DOES NOT tell the truth. It caters to the basest in human nature. Placing tags like “Soros funded”, “liberal Media” “socialist”, “Marxist” and the like is dangerously irresponsible. Your “movement” will be responsible for the next murder by the way it's going. I saw this a year ago, and I'm not the only one. You allowed the racist and extremist element among you, to feed the fear and hate. Now it's out of control.

I'd get out of it if I were you. I'm a combat vet, and I've had my fill of killing. I certainly would not want to be associated with a “movement” that kills my fellow Americans.

I wonder now how many will learn when a fellow American gets killed.

Don't think thast the HII doesn't have a hand in it. While lawsuits are fewer than they were a decade ago, that's where the 1% comes from. Lawsuits DO NOT affect premiums. HII premiums are arbitrary and the sole proprietary source of the multi-million dollar homes, Rolls Royces and lavish living the HII execs enjoy. If they want more, just deny coverage. That covers the parties and other hedonistic pursuits they enjoy, as well.
You have bought the lies the minions of the HII have foisted on you. There are enough doctors who are supporters of HCR because THEY know this. Go to other sites and check out forums in favor of HCR, and you'll see a whole different take by those who, like your brother, are in the trenches, and have seen the hypocrisy of those studies, polls and forums.

You need to tell this to every bagger you meet or engage online. Don't be reactionary. That's their thing. They live and breathe fear and hate. While they talk of “tea parties”, they don't realize it's fellow Americans they're demonstrating against. Their “movement” has lost sight of what it was complaining about, originally because of the racists and extremists they allowed to swell their ranks. Not all are wackos (see below), and they need to be informed of the dangerous nature of the extremist viewpoint that has infected them.
The others are lost. I only hope we are not witness to another funeral procession.

You are correct about med mal insurance. I checked my facts and it isn't a big factor. But you are wrong about insurance premiums being arbitrary voodoo. There is actual math involved. It's a business. To claim otherwise is silly.

Cost is the issue. It's an issue whether you have universal healthcare or not. And universal healthcare is certainly not the perfect fix. France has been struggling with it for years. Their healthcare shares some of our defects, unfortunately, the primary one being fee-for-service based. The only reason they are not bankrupt is because they pay their doctors no more than they pay their car mechanics. A french physician makes one third what an American physician makes. The only reason they have doctors in the system is that they offset this negative aspect by paying for medical education. And they are still chronically in trouble.

Also, the spectre of government-controlled healthcare is really unappetizing. To be fair, we're already under a form of control because we have to constantly fight insurance companies for coverage.

I'm just looking for solutions to a problem. I happen to not like the idea of the government leaping in with both hands into my medical care. It's perfectly okay to want to look at other solutions beyond Obama's bill.

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O.K., The premium thing I'll give you, but the money from refusing coverage definitely goes to the HII execs.

France is not the U.S., but if you want a good representation, look at Denmark. I don't believe there is a better example for universal healthcare than that. Still, what we have now isn't universal. We still have to pay (well, you folk have to, I have VA benefits, which are an example of universal healthcare, and I won't give it up for anything!), and there isn't the punishing “fine” in the mandate, anymore.

Think of this, by fighting the HII for coverage, even if they “grant” you coverage, you are still paying exhorbitant amounts of money just to keep it, and they can refuse you coverage at any time of their choosing. With the new law, they can't do that. In addition, if you can't get reinstatement, you can join a pool, where the cost is much, much lower. it was instituted for those who can't afford the high costs of HII insurance. The quality isn't diminished either, like it is with HII plans.

In principle, the whole idea of HCR is to help Americans, not subject them to restriction or curtail freedom. Also, HCR reduces the deficit over time, because the costs will be lower, all across the board.

I got into this because of my 84 year old mother. She's healthy, and has good coverage, but she was a victim of the “doughnut hole” with pharmaceuticals. I have put her on natural supplements, and she says she feels much better than with some pharmaceuticals. Her doctor's visits confirm it.

All you need do is study the parts of the law that will pertain to you and your family. You will see that all the vile rhetoric and misinformation was a ruse to get folk to oppose HCR (mostly on the grounds that President Obama is black, or “wasn't born here”). If you take into account the millions upon millions of dollars the HII poured into opposing reform, instead of addressing the needs of it's payees, it's clear that HCR is a moral issue.

I was like you 15 years ago. I found that not all goverment programs are bad, and lies do render folks' judgements, sometimes. There are so many being bandied about now, it's hard to tell anymore who IS telling the truth about issues. What I have found is that Fox isn't news. They are culpable in the HCR smear campaign we saw all last year, and the first part of this one. There is no “liberal” media. There is only truth and lies, and Fox falls under the latter category.

I am glad to have had this 'conversation” with you. You seem to be very grounded and sane, which is a rarity with the tea partiers. Your movement scares the h**l out of me (and I don't scare easily), what with the threats and violence we've seen the past few days. Your movement needs to purge the wackos, instead of tacitly excusing them as Andrew Breitbart did this morning, on Dylan Ratigan's show. Only then will your movement be seen as legitimate.
Still, I'm glad you're not a wacko.

The bill could not have made it out of any committee if there was any integrity in DC.
Those jumping up and down in victory are just a tad premature on what their leaders have done for them. They have managed to steal your choice, your liberty, your Constitution, your kids future and your country's too. Welcome to Marxist America, you haven't seen nothing yet!
This bill gives nothing, takes everything and no amount of rhetoric will change that.
You will start paying for it now, and four years from now you will be forced to participate in a system that is too slow, to underfunded, too unresponsive, too undermanned, and too expensive to approach anything close to what is available now or what would have been available without government taking over.
The government will be blaming it on anybody but themselves and the same people will be buying their lies. The price of not finding out the real facts, listening to the false hype, has cost you big time.

Oh please, stop this ridiculous nonsense you got from Fox noise. We enjoy the HISTORIC victory because all the lies, innuendo, disinformation, Hate speech and scare tactics didn't work.

Your feckless “representatives” got their marching orders from Fox noise and the drug-addled fat man. News flash….They're destroying the Republican party.

This law doesn't curtail ANY freedoms. That's the horses**t you swallowed from the losers whining on Fox and hate radio.
Tell me, Do you like the idea of the HII making arbitrary decisions about YOUR medical care? They won't under this law. It also reduces the deficit, puts more money in the pockets of hard-working Americans, and gives CHOICES, which we didn't have before. But I don't expect you to believe it. You didn't read the bill before it became LAW. You just swallowed the s**t regurgitated by people interested only in scaring you into believing their lies.You are totally indoctrinated by the very same crackpots who are trying to destroy this country.

Why even post a comment here? just stay on your loser right-wing hate blogs. You can lick your wounds with the other losers who have been bamboozled by the anti-American fools at Fox noise and the oxycontin little corporal.

HCR IS LAW! HOORAY!

Of course I'm not a wacko, and neither are you. Simply because we disagree does not make either of us wackos. We both see a problem but both of us prefer to approach it differently.

I'm waaaaay more wary of government programs than you are. I do understand the healthcare problem, as stated before. More than you can know. My brother-in-law owns a healthcare IT company and my husband is the marketing director. I hear about healthcare everyday. My brother is a nurse and so are two of my aunts. In addition to being a nurse, my brother has five children and went ten years without health insurance. If anyone would be psyched about this bill, it would be him, but he isn't.

Regarding your mother, I understand the issues with getting care for the elderly. I'd love to see health insurance companies either removed from the patient/doctor relationship or be put in a position where it is advantageous to become team players.

And tea partiers are not some homogenous blob. They are individuals, not a “movement”. I came to some conclusions about the current administration and found people who agreed with me. Voila. I'm a tea partier.

And I'm sooooo tired of people who claim I'm racist because I dislike Obama. yeesh. I didn't like Clinton either, but at least I didn't have to put up with accussations of racism when I disagreed with him.

It IS possible to disagree with a black person based solely on intellectual differences, not color. As it is possible to agree with someone of a different race–I adore Thomas Sowell and I think he's brilliant. He's black and I'm white. But we share the same politics. I disagree with Obama, but not because he's black! I have a conservative black friend who felt a lot of pressure to vote for Obama, simply because of race. The main reason he didn't vote for Obama? Abortion. He chose principle over race, and so did I.

Anywho…I simply don't trust politicians to be able to draft up such a gigantgic bill without lining their own pockets and assuring their own careers at the expense of what is good for everyone else.

Yes, the doctor/patient relationship should be kept without outside “influence” dictating things. My mother's with her doctor is.

You make pertinent points about what you believe, and I respect them. What I can't respect are folk commenting with obviously racist messages, or incendiary threats based on the misinformation and lies that have been thrown around this last year. The tea partiers in my area aren't like the ones that descended on D.C. last weekend and did all those vile things. It really damages the legitimacy of what it is you are trying to say and do. I address them individually, but on the whole, it makes you all look like racists and extremists.

You came to me in a very different way, one I'm used to seeing, and I acted accordingly. We are all Americans, and I just wish we could all respect each other as such, instead of trying to tear each other apart with epithets and innuendo generated by agencies intent on destroying this country (and I'm not talking about the Obama administration).

By the way, I'm asian, myself, and have had more than my fair share of racism and prejudice. I suppose you can say I'm sensitive about it.

Still, there are good people in the tea partiers. You just proved it. Thank you.

It was a pleasure talking to you, as well. I wish us both luck on the healthcare front–hopefully we'll all find a way to make things work and still like each other.

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alqueda is right here in the u.s!!!!. They have no intellect so they dont speak intelligently they just react. They break into offices in texas and elswhere and they threaten people with opposing views and also threaten their children. I'm not exactly pleased with health care but I'm not crazy like those fools. “They” are the”evil” and “dangerous”ones. RIGHT HERE in the UNITED STATES!!!!! Some of my collegues stated that the “angry men” must have small ……. And the angry women are just cold fishes with dirty dishes. Some of those broads are worst than the men. I dont think that they alll call themselves “tea parters”. Alqueda is no longer our “”main enemy. We ourselves as americans have become the enemy . Our troops may as well come home and fight the war over here. It is good that both of the enemies are a “small group”. May god change there hearts and minds before it is too late. AMEN.

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I don't have health insurance. I went to the emergency room and just received the bills for my visit. I spent four hours there, waiting for treatment by a slow, unresponsive, undermanned hospital staff, and the bill was close to $4000.00, a fee which I consider too expensive. The thing that gets me is that because I have no health insurance, the bill was dropped to $845.00 for private pay. Why would an insurance company be charged four times as much for the same treatment? My choice is for affordable health coverage. I have no liberty because as hard as I work, I can barely pay my bills, and now I have an $800 bill to pay because I can't afford the insurance rates. And, is this because there are no regulations on how much it actually costs to provide services, compared to how much the insurance companies are being taken for? It clearly could not cost the hospital $1000.00 per hour for me to sit waiting for treatment. I welcome health care reform. So should the insurance companies who will be billed more reasonable charges, allowing them to lower their rates. I know I will be better off because of it.

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