Virginia Attorney General: Obama Birth in Kenya ‘Doesn’t Seem Beyond the Realm of Possibility’

Yawn.

so how are all those eligibility lawsuits going for you.

Cut the tape there? …..perhaps your “dramatically powerful” statement wasn't about his birthplace, but was actually about the possibility of that process happening? How terrible, he responds to the person's inquiry! Well, guess he must believe in the question being asked, right?

ptrkl, you are an idiot as are all birfers…..first, President Obama proved that he was born in Hawaii. END….OF…..STORY!!! He was able to run for President of the United AND WIN…because there was PROOF that he was born in Hawaii. Now you want to try to turn things in another direction when you are asked to PROVE he is NOT born here. Well, you have to do that.

President Obama has shown his birth certificate and the State of Hawaii has confirmed it. Go ahead and assert here that the state has not confirmed this, but it has and that's the end of it. I'm not going there because you are a birfer and it's an exercise in futility.

Anyhow, now that you are accusing (YES, ACCUSING IS WHAT YOU ARE DOING) YOU, BIRFER NOW HAVE TO PROVIDE PROOF……you can't accuse and then say “NOW YOU, MR. PRESIDENT, PROVE I AM WRONG!” The Constitution which you say you have read (bullshit, by the way), says innocent until proven guilty.

I swear, the stupidity of your birfers is maddening…….it can be entertaining to see you guys spin, but it is ALWAYS maddening!!!

the best -recent- headline:

http://scienceblogs.com/dispatches/2010/03/grea…

the story under it:

http://archive.easternecho.com/content/republic…

Wrong. Completely wrong. Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution states the requirements for eligibility. It is completely silent as to how or even whether a candidate for office must provide proof of that eligibility. And it says absolutely nothing about the consequences for a political party or individual.

If you want to prove me wrong, then quote the specific language (Article, Section and Clause) of the Constitution that says a candidate must provide proof. Quote the specific language (Article, Section and Clause) setting forth consequences for parties or individuals.

My 20+ years of practicing law says you can't do it. Typical of birfers, you assume the Constitution says what you want it to say.

This is a joke. What a waste of time. Quite “independent news” too. Does that mean you believe what you want and write about whatever?
Dennis Hughes

What is your problem with this story?

it pretty much outlines what the AG said.

Don't you agree?

..clearly there are none so blind as those who will not see because it is more convenient to be blind… and also more politically expedient… In your opinion we should all conced to you our nation and our world and you will do with it as you have always done…. rule by rumor, innuendo and blatant lawless and intellectual thuggery…

…in reply to 'this tape was made over a year ago what's he been doing since,” Good question that should be asked of ALL those claiming to be elected officials and/or constituional lawyers, or even non-constitutional lawyers…. they have all failed this nation and the world in not protecting our freedoms or democratic republic. Are they Smarter Than A 5th Grader? NO!

And the President DID provide proof of BIRTH in Hawaii, which WAS INDEED part of the UNITED STATES the last time I looked. The President is one of WE THE PEOPLE, and anyone who thinks otherwise is a TRAITOR and possibly even a COMMUNIST!!!!!!

Sorry, but the Constitution of Upper Slobbovia is not legally binding in the United States of America.

Please define “PRESUMPTION OF INNONCENCE.” Right it sounds like you're talking about Quentin Tarantino's next movie.

Obama's COLB is not “rumor, innuendo and blatant lawless and intellectual thuggery” because it's existence and the veracity of it's information has been verified by the REPUBLICAN State of Hawaii Head of Department of Health Chiyome Fukino.

“Incidentally, the Courts have examined and upheld this doctrine of qualifying candidates and there is precedent law.”

So please tell me, what is the name of this precedent law?

Virginia, actually.

And I hope he advised the Governor of Virginia not to accept any federal stimulus dollars, given that the law authorizing those stimulus funds was signed by Barack Obama. Ken, you did that didn't you? You said, “We don't need those stinkin' billions of dollars, unless Obama proves where he was born!” I'm sure I read that somewhere. Right?

Ken?

Now THAT headline explains a LOT about why Republicans don't like Obama.

Firstly, the provision of Certificate of Live Birth is by law required. The Certification of Birth provided by Obama is inadequate for proof. If you are an attorney, as you claim, you would be aware of this material fact, and also of precedent law as to qualifying candidates. Please stop harrassing me with this nonsense.

Firstly, the provision of Certificate of Live Birth is by law required.

Please provide the relevant citation from the Constitution.

The Certification of Birth provided by Obama is inadequate for proof.

Please provide testimony from a representative of the US Department of State supporting your assertion.

..clearly there are none so blind as those who will not see because it is more convenient to be blind

This is true: it is much more convenient for the birthers to be blind to the fact that Obama was born in Hawaii because not doing so would complicate their ridiculous fantasy that he was born in Kenya (well, that and the complete lack of evidence that Obama was born in Kenya).

Firstly, the provision of Certificate of Live Birth is by law required.

Please cite the law or statute requireing this.

The Certification of Birth provided by Obama is inadequate for proof.

So, are you saying that prima facie evidence isn't valid?

“Firstly, the provision of Certificate of Live Birth is by law required.”

What provision?

What law?

If you say such law exists then can you cite the name (Or number) of the law?

“The Certification of Birth provided by Obama is inadequate for proof.”

How can a COLB which is VERIFIED by Hawaii DOH be “inadequate for proof”?

“Please stop harrassing me with this nonsense.”

Likewise.

So does anyone think that this guy should endorse Orly Taits for California Sec. of State?

ptrkl:

rule by rumor, innuendo and blatant lawless and intellectual thuggery…

LOL that's rich coming from a birther.

But Ellid, has Hawai'i provided incontrovertible proof that it is “indeed part of the United States”? I mean, isn't it “in the realm of possibility” that Hawaiian “statehood” is just another part of the massive Obama conspiracy? Have you personally ever seen the ORIGINAL of the “Act to Provide for the Admission of the State of Hawai‘i”, with President Eisenhower's signature? Or have you only seen a COPY on the internet? Why is the State of Hawai'i not willing to produce the ORIGINAL?

Even if Obama was born 5 years earlier when Hawaii was still a teritory, it wouldn't matter, he would still be a natural born U.S. citizen.

hey, where's ya go?

Hey, idiot, here is what Article II, Section 1 says about eligibility:

“No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.”

That is all it says. It is silent as to when, how or even if a candidate for President must prove he or she meets these requirements. It is silent as to what evidence may be sufficient to prove eligibility. At least, that is what I find when I read the Constitution.

By the way, if you knew a scintilla about the Constitution, you would know that it doesn't set forth consequences for a political party whose candidate is ineligible. How do I know that? Simple. The Constitution of the United States does not mention political parties. You would know that if you had ever actually read the document. Clearly, you have not.

Barack Obama's COLB is “self-authenticating evidence” under the Federal Rules of Evidence. Since you seem to know everything, I'm sure you have the Federal Rules of Evidence close at hand. Look up FRE 902, which provides:

“Extrinsic evidence of authenticity as a condition precedent to admissibility is not required with respect to the following:

Domestic public documents under seal. A document bearing a seal purporting to be that of the United States, or of any State, district, Commonwealth, territory, or insular possession thereof, or the Panama Canal Zone, or the Trust Territory of the Pacific Islands, or of a political subdivision, department, officer, or agency thereof, and a signature purporting to be an attestation or execution.”

And then look up FRE 902(4), which extends self-authentication to:

“Certified copies of public records. A copy of an official record or report or entry therein, or of a document authorized by law to be recorded or filed and actually recorded or filed in a public office, including data compilations in any form, certified as correct by the custodian or other person authorized to make the certification, by certificate complying with paragraph (1), (2), or (3) of this rule or complying with any Act of Congress or rule prescribed by the Supreme Court pursuant to statutory authority.”

In other words, you idiot, the original birth certificate is not the only acceptable evidence. If the State of Hawai'i chooses (as it does) to provide a document that excerpts relevant data from the original birth certificate, and the excerpt (COLB, in this case) is issued with the state seal and under the signature of the custodian of the records, that document is PROOF of the facts set forth in the document (in this case, Obama's birth in Honolulu on August 4, 1961).

If you don't like that (which you clearly don't), find yourself another country.

Oh sure. Next you'll be telling me that the right wing didn't object to Barry Goldwater's candidacy for President, given that he was born in Arizona when it was still the Arizona Territory.

As if. We all remember what a HUGE fight the right wing started to keep Barry Goldwater from becoming President. Don't we?

You know, the speculation is Kenya. And that doesn’t seem beyond the realm of possibility.

Rather than make the usual lazy hit-and-run Kenyan-birth allegation, I'd love for Cuccinelli to answer some basic questions concerning this “possibility”:

1. How does he explain why an official state document – derived from his original birth certificate – says he was born in Hawaii if he wasn't actually born in Hawaii?

2. Does he believe the COLB image was forged? If so, is he prepared to publicly support an official investigation into whether the COLB was forged and the origin of this purported forgery? And is he prepared to recommend prosecution of that/those specific individual(s) behind the purported forgery?

3. Does he believe Hawaii officials lied when they stated on the record that Obama's original vital records indicate he was born in Hawaii? Is he prepared to publicly recommend an inquiry into their statements?

4. How does he explain the fact that Obama's certificate number is so close to other persons born within 24 hours of his birth at the same hospital where he says he was born?

5. How does he explain why Kapi'olani publicizes the fact that President Obama claims to have been born there?

6. What evidence does he have indicating that Ann Dunham ever traveled to or within Kenya?

7. What evidence does he have indicating who Ann Dunham purportedly visited while in Kenya?

8. What evidence does he have indicating how a college student like Ann Dunham financed her trip to (and stay in) Kenya?

9. What explanation does he have for why Ann Dunham would give birth in Mombasa, which is on the other side of Kenya from his family's ancestral home, and hundreds of miles from Nairobi airport, the main airport in the country? Or does he believe she was born somewhere else in Kenya? If so, where? And what is the supporting evidence for that conclusion?

10. What explanation does he have for when and how Ann Dunham made the legal determination that she would not be able to transmit her citizenship to her son if born overseas based on an obscure mathematical quirk in U.S. naturalization law?

11. What explanation does he have for why Ann Dunham determined it was so crucial that her son be born on U.S. soil when she was willing to travel to Kenya as a pregnant woman in the first place?

12. Does he believe any Obama campaign officials, or members of the Democratic or Republican parties knew about and therefore conspired with Obama to conceal the purported Kenyan birth? Is he prepared to publicly support an investigation into this question and recommend prosecutions?

Of course, we know he doesn't have the guts to respond to any of these questions. It's just lotsa fun throwing out tasty little morsels to his fringe anti-Obama base. It may be shameful, but that's how politics is played these days.

I think that this won't pan out much, Cuccinelli can just claim that he was answering a question of law, not rendering a judgment on the evidence.

On the other hand, birthers won't let this go and (hopefully) will keep hounding him about this.

Awesome. Simply awesome.

I was right.

“I absolutely believe that President Obama was born in the United States. I don't buy into the claims that he wasn't. On the recording, I was asked a hypothetical legal question, and I gave a hypothetical legal answer in response,” Cuccinelli said in a press release this afternoon. “As I said previously, this issue was not a part of my campaign, and it is not part of what I am doing now as attorney general.”

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/03/cucc…

BTW!!!!

This was posted by Orly on her malware infested site:

I also need computer specialists to trace the IP addresses and names of all the scum posting garbage about me on the Marxist garbage blogs, such as Politijab, Politico, Huffington Post, Washington Independent and a few others. I need to put together a RICO complaint naming all of them.

There is a real possibility that our President was not born here. There is much we don't know about him. You can call me a Birther if you like…. That's ok with me. More and more people everyday are questioning his eligibility for POTUS. Time will tell.

There is a real possibility that an alternate universe exists in which I am 7 feet tall and make millions of dollars in the NBA. Call me crazy if you like. That's o.k. with me. More and more people ever day are comparing me to Michael Jordan. Time will tell.

I think that this won't pan out much, Cuccinelli can just claim that he was answering a question of law, not rendering a judgment on the evidence.

Of course, such a claim would be demonstrably incorrect. Cuccinelli's statement that Obama's purported Kenyan birth “doesn't seem beyond the realm of possibility” was not qualified or issued in any conditional sense. It was his assessment of what he believed the facts were, pure and simple.

Translation: “I want to use the threat of legal action to intimidate my critics into silence, because the First Amendment only protects the Free Speech rights of birthers.”

Bring it on, Orly. The Supreme Court has made it quite clear (unanimously) that the First Amendment trumps RICO: http://www.firstamendmentcenter.com/news.aspx?i…

And really, we aren't engaging in threats or extortion. We are just cheering wildly as you self-destruct.

Regardless of whether the entire federal judiciary, the “constituional lawyers,” and the entire government of this country are as intelligent as fifth graders, one thing is clear:

They are far more intelligent than you are.

If that's the case, then there's a real possibility that no one was born where their birth certificates say they were born, which would entirely defeat the purpose of issuing birth certificates to begin with. There's also a real possibility that grocery stores in areas of the country with the highest percentages of birthers can never seem to keep tinfoil in stock.

Most respectfully, it is my country which you are seeking to invoke you treasonous and tyrannical rule… your cites are not applicable to this case. Your insididious insults are indicative of your complete lack of credible support of your postition… when no standing, curse everybody out to intimidate them and make them run away…

“No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States at the time of the Adoption of this Concstitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President….” and that qualification must be capable of proof upon demand, which in this instance this president is apparently unable to present, and in the more than in excess of 225 years this nation has had extensive resolution of the question, all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court. Try to inform yourself more accurately.

You can call me a Birther if you like….

Rather than labelling you, I'd just like to point out that your factual contention – that there is a “real possibility that our President was not born here” – is utterly baseless.

But of course you're free to claim anything you like.

For example, you can say there is a “real possibility” that the Moon is made out of green cheese, but that doesn't make your contention any more true or plausible.

One can also point out that millions of people believe in astrology – i.e. that there is a “real possibility” that the relative positions of planets can influence events on earth – but the number of adherents of a view doesn't affect whether it is valid. It just means there are a lot of people who value belief over empirical evidence.

The same is true for “birthers,” or whatever you wish to call the viewpoint to which you subscribe. Never mind Obama's COLB states he was born in Hawaii or that its certificate number virtually matches others known to be born at Kapi'olani hospital, or the statements of Hawaii officials, Hawaii law regarding vital records, representations by Kapi'olani hospital, the contemporaenous Hawaii birth announcements, the utter lack of any evidence that Ann Dunham traveled to Kenya at any time. If your determination to believe Obama was born outside the United States outweighs this evidence, good for you.

That's the great thing about this country. You have the absolute right to be dead wrong.

and that qualification must be capable of proof upon demand,

Yet another birther lie. Tell me, which article of the Constitution, Supreme Court case of federal statute says this? Go ahead and look it up. I'll wait.

which in this instance this president is apparently unable to present,

This is only true if you're completely oblivious to reality. Then again, you are a birther…

and in the more than in excess of 225 years this nation has had extensive resolution of the question, all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court.

Again, cite to some Supreme Court precedent. You don't even have to give me that many. I'll take your word for it if you can even find one case to back up your ridiculous claim.

“that qualification must be capable of proof upon demand”

I notice that isn't in the Constitution. Does being an idiot birfer (redundant) give you the right to amend the Constitution to include whatever provisions you like?

How would Abraham Lincoln have proven “upon demand” where he was born? Are you even aware that birth certificates were not common until the late 19th century? Are you even aware that “birth records” for at least the first 100 years of our nation's history were nonexistent? Have you ever tried to research family history in the United States in the 18th and 19th centuries? The two primary sources of “birth” information are: church baptismal records (which don't necessarily say when and where a child was born) and decennial census records (which don't say where a child was born, but at least record the child's age in years).

“in the more than in excess of 225 years this nation has had extensive resolution of the question, all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court.”

Wrong again, sport. In the history of this country, the U.S. Supreme Court has NEVER determined the eligibility of a candidate for President, of a President-elect, or of a sitting President, under the “natural born citizen” provision of Article II, Section 1. It has never happened. If you think I am wrong, then please give us all the benefit of your scholarship by providing us with the name of the Supreme Court case.

You are a complete and utter fool.

I cite the Constitution in support of my position. I cite the Federal Rules of Evidence in support of my position. You cite absolutely nothing in support of your position, except a completely contrived, nonexistent obligation to prove “natural born citizen” status “upon demand.” And then you tell me my position lacks credible support. You personify the craziness that is birferism.

If you want a country in which unelected federal judges can overturn the will of over 69 million voters (the most votes any candidate has ever received in the history of our country), then yes, I think you ought to go elsewhere. No, I'm not trying to intimidate you. I'm just suggesting that American democracy doesn't appear to be your cup of tea.

Okay, I'll call you birther, but I'd rather call you “stupid beyond belief.”

WHERE is Queen Liliuokalani's INSTRUMENT OF Abdication? Why is it HIDDEN AWAY????? What is the UsURPER Linda Lingle HIDING?

Nonsense from beginning to end.

Harassing YOU? You're the one who is spreading lies and filth against the legally elected President of the United States! What rock do you live under, you nasty little insect?

Please define “insididious.” That word is not in my dictionary.

As for your peculiar notions of citizenship, they are not American. Please go back to whatever ridiculous little excuse for a country whelped you.

[...] Virginia Attorney General: Obama Birth in Kenya ‘Doesn’t Seem Beyond the Realm of Possib… [...]

There is obviously a memory problem with birfers.

All the ridiculous accusations presented by birfers have been debunked. By the birfers, themselves.

1) Obama's BC has been online, for perusal at any time. Before you question it's authenticity, be aware that birfers have, by way of their “irrefutable logic”, proved that NONE of us are Americans. How? If a COLB is not evidence of citizenship, and long-forms were discontinued or otherwise rescinded in 1946-7, then none of us is American. YOU cannot prove you are an American, by the birfer standard.

2) You question Obama's COLB now? Question your own…..Refer to number 1.

3) You state that Obama was born in Kenya. PROVE IT. Parroting the same garbage as presented by Taitz will not suffice. Forgeries won't cut it, either. In this case, the burden of proof is yours. Have at it, we'll all be here.

4) Being born in a territory of the United States STILL makes you American. I was born on Guam. It's STILL a territory. I am STILL an American. If that isn't enough for you, I also have four DD214's to prove my status. If all YOU have is a COLB, I question YOUR citizenship. Prove to me, and all the rest of us here, that you are what you say you are.

5) “Rule by rumor, innuendo and intellectual thuggery”. Better get with the program. This all started because of the “rule by rumor, innuendo and intellectual thuggery” of the birfer ridiculousness as presented by Orly Taitz, herself. Her followers were the first to sign on and begin that round of crap, not us. The steadfast refusal to accept that they could be wrong has jumped a notch or two by the total debunking of the idiotic minutae presented (and it's still going on, you're here) by them. Your attempts to show us as disreputable are null-and-void, as well. Remember, Taitz is a forger. No one else claims or deserves that title, and since you follow Taitz's lead, what does that make you?

6) Your interpretation of the Constitution is questionable, at best. Arbitrary additions to it's meaning and intent DO NOT make your case. Since it was written in 7th grade english, all here understand it's meaning and intent. It is YOU who have distorted it's meaning.

7) Put your xenophobia back in your pants. Maybe you watch too much Glenn Beck, I know not, nor care. If fear and hate is your thing, have at it, but if you spout that this country is going to h**l in a handbasket without proof (yes, we will require it from ANY crackpot), expect to be called on it. Constitutional lawyers, judges and legislators are all in collusion to destroy this country on what evidence? Taitz's? You are all for accusing us of scurrilous claims, but take a good, hard look at the birfer “quest” from start to the present. The TRUTH of the matter will surprise you.

8) Lastly, C'mon, what's a little ridicule for being seditionists? None of the birfer claims have come to anything but something to have a puppy pee on to housebreak it. The veracity of birfer claims was discredited a year ago, in no small part by Taitz's own hand. In any sane situation, that would be enough for any normal person to jump ship. Not you birfers, oh, no. The questions have been answered, repeatedly. So if you find ridicule and epithets distasteful, be aware at this point, that it is your own obstinacy to accept the truth and reality of the whole affair that brings it upon you.

But I don't expect this to have much impact. It hasn't yet, and that's the saddest thing about you birfers.

The long form birth certificate shows detail such as the attending physician and has the child’s footprints on the back. That’s all me and many others want to see. If he has it then he should show it and put this whole birther thing to rest. It would also be nice to see a full disclosure of all info on Barry Soetoro, his Occidental College records, his Columbia College records, his Columbia Thesis paper, his Harvard College records, his Selective Service Registration, his Medical records, his Illinois State Senate records, his Illinois State Senate schedule, his Law practice client list, and the Chicago Annenburg Challenge documents have been blocked.

But really, just the long form birth certificate would satisfy most whom have eligibility questions.

Most of the responses are reminiscent of a teenage tantrum and not based on fact. Comparing yourself to Michael Jordan or saying “the moon could be made from green cheese is way for you to avoid answering the real question.

ellid, if your only response is name calling, good luck!

I found this some time ago supporting Kenyan birth.

There IS a Certified Copy Of Registration Of Birth with stamp proving he was delivered by Dr. James O. W.Ang'awa in Mombasa, Kenya at the Coast General Hospital. The Supervisor of Obstetrics was Dr.John Kwame Odongo. Obama was 7 pounds, 1 ounce at birth, 18 inches in length and 6 inches across the shoulders.
A history buff was asked if he could find out who the colonial registrar was for Mombasa in 1961. He returned the call a few minutes ago and said “Sir Edward F. Lavender”
Source(s): “Kenya Dominion Record 4667 Australian library”
Posted by Alan Peters at 11:56 PM 0 comments Links to this post
Here is Testimony from a Mombasa science teacher and the Mombasa Registrar of births that Obama’s Birth Certificate from Mombasa is genuine.
I happen to be Kenyan. I was born 1 month before Obama at Mombasa medical center. I am a teacher here at the MM Shaw Primary School in Kenya.

I compared my birth certificate to the one that has been put on by Taitz and mine is exactly the same. I even have the same registrar and format. The type is identical.

I am by nature a skeptical person. I teach science here and challenge most things that cannot be proven.

So I went to an official registrar today and pulled up the picture on the web. They magnified it and determined it to be authentic. There is even a plaque with Registrar Lavenders name on it as he was a Brit and was in charge of the Registrar office from 1959 until January of 1964.

The reason the date on the certificate says republic of Kenya is that we were a republic when the “copy” of the original was ordered.

I stress the word “copy.”

My copy also has republic of Kenya.

So what you say is true about Kenya not being a republic at the time of Obama’s birth, however it was a republic when the copy was ordered.

The birth certificate is genuine. I assure you it can be authenticated by a forensic auditor.

We are very proud Obama was born here.

We have a shrine for him and there are many people who remember his birth here as he had a white mother.

Fortunately they even have pictures of his parents with him immediately after his birth at the Mombasa hospital with the hospital in the back ground.

It will be a proud day for us when it is proven that he was born here and a Kenyan became the most powerful man in the world.

I encourage anyone to come here and visit.

I will be happy to take you and show you the pictures at the hospital myself as well as my document and many others that are identical to what Taitz posted.

God Bless.

Kitau

question? did you “birthers” question George W. Bush's birth record? or Bill Clinton's? or George H.W. Bush's? or Ronald Reagan's? if obama was a white male named Bradley Oakman, would such a big fuss be raised over his birth records?

Is this the Kenyan version of the Nigerian bank scam?

There is a real possibility that there is a universe where Mr. Spock has a goatee, too.

The long form birth certificate shows detail such as the attending physician and has the child’s footprints on the back.

None of which is necessary.

That’s all me and many others want to see.

Bullshit. Even if the State of Hawaii issued such forms, which they do not, it would never be enough for you birthers. You don't actually care about facts or truth.

If he has it then he should show it and put this whole birther thing to rest.

He doesn't. The State of Hawaii maintains original records, which they digitized years ago. They don't issue long forms.

It would also be nice to…

Did you request the comparable documents of past presidents? Didn't think so. Why is Obama so special?

But really, just the long form birth certificate would satisfy most whom have eligibility questions.

Again, no it wouldn't. Someone could invent a time machine and take you all to the moment of Obama's birth, and you'd still have “questions.”

No, because there was no possibility of it. They did however question John McCain about it. Unlike Obama, McCain answered the question.

They did however question John McCain about it.

The Obama birthers did? Name one.

Unlike Obama, McCain answered the question.

Actually, they both provided birth certificates. Birther FAIL.

No, because there was no possibility of it.

In other words: “No, because they were white.”

You must remember what “the realm of possibility” means in law speek. Regardless of what one person may think of the validity of evidence, it is still evidence.

You must remember what “the realm of possibility” means in law speek.

“Realm of possibility” is not a legal term. He was giving his opinion, not using “law speek” (sic).

Regardless of what one person may think of the validity of evidence, it is still evidence.

What evidence?

Orly, is that you?

You're full of shit, bigot.

The state of Hawaii answered. Your non-acceptance makes you a coward and a seditious piece of crap.

As if you have more credibility than the state of Hawaii. You're an idiot and an asshole.

You deserve derision for being a birfer.

Please reference the name of every hospital where every President was born before Carter.

Come on coward. Name them.

And yes, you are an idiot but not beyond belief.

The long-form was discontinued after WWII, around 1946-7.

Your insistence on seeing a document format no longer in use is why folk here ridicule you. For your information, COLB formats are also different state by state. BTW, COLBs from the pacific region have “little footprints” on the back. Mine does, and it's NOT a long-form. My two older siblings' BCs are also different.

All the rest of your demands are sophistry.

In every instance, birfer claims have been debunked and/or discredited, like Taitz, herself. It is your insistence on continuing this farce that heaps abuse on you.

Oh, and you can stop the “more and more people are jumping on the crazy train” thing. Any sane, thinking person would have run from this nonsense long ago. Evidence the masses arrayed against you and other mentally-challenged fools who call themselves birfers.

You must remember what “the realm of possibility” means in law speek.

Given your loose definition, it is not beyond the “realm of possibility” that Obama was born in Canada. Or the Dominican Republic. Or to different parents.

But if we are referring to the possible outcomes given the actual documented evidence, Obama's purported birth in Kenya is beyond the “realm of possibility.”

Wrong. President Obama has indeed produced his birth certificate, well before the election. Why are you lying about this?

Why yes, I believe that one of the colonial officials in Kenya in 1961 was named after a brand of scented detergent.

Try again, birther. FAIL.

“Dear Beloved in Christ, my name is B.S. Lavender, son of E.F. Lavender, formrely an hi colonial offishal in the Secret Birth Certficate Branch of the Kenyan govrnmet. Before his untiey death in a hottub of foamy-water, he ntrustd me with 35,000,000 vital brith certificats and othr recrds, which now must be spritd into an American ste as quickly as posible….”

I see no reason to respond otherwise to a liar who posts “information” that was debunked over a year ago.

Then there's no problem, because there is no evidence that the President was born anywhere but Honolulu.

Also, it's spelled “speak.”

“law speek” gets Orly all hot.

WHat else could explain her fling with Charles Lincoln?

I'm persuaded!!! Whatever you're selling, I'm buying!!!

Well, I have to say that if the person who posted this is really “bill pedrick”, then he is either brave or foolhardy. His name appears here as a “hot link” which takes you to the web page for:

Critchett Piano & Organ Company, Inc., 3304 – 100th Street, Urbandale, IA 50322-3854

And if you look on the “contacts” page for that company, http://www.critchetts.com/id71.html

you will find an email address for: bpedrick@critchetts.com

It appears he posted the exact same thing on a birfer blog back on February 1 of this year, including a “hot link” to the company's website. Odd way of promoting a piano company: http://countusout.wordpress.com/2010/01/31/hear…

Piano salesman? Remind me to be grateful that I inherited my piano from my late aunt and do not have to risk dealing with this idiot should I desire to go to the Midwest to purchase musical instruments.

Actual genuine spam received by me at my office several months ago:

“hi!
First of all I wish you a happy family. I come from shanghai, China Our company is mainly engaged in gifts. Printing services Today, I made the purpose of this message is for your company's interests. As a result of the different regions. Prices are also great differences. Our prices in shanghai, is already the lowest. Therefore, I would hope to cooperate with your company. If necessary, you can add my _____________. This is my E-MAIL If you need other commodities can also contact me. Because I was so procured. For the price of a variety of products is also very understanding of me.
Financial crisis may have a certain impact on the company. So I want to help your company .”

I checked the web site. Looks like the company is going out of business. I wonder if the insane politics of Mr. Pedrick had anything to do with the lack of customers?

Oh, there is more. The same thing was posted on Yahoo Answers back in January, attributed to “Bill and Debbie”: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=201…

I found a Bill and Deb Pedrick in the Des Moines area. From a church bulletin, it appears they attend First Federated Church, where Bill (no surprise) is the organist and Debbie sings alto in the choir: http://www.scribd.com/doc/14106553/20090412NP

There is a Deborah Pedrick running an insurance agency in West Des Moines: http://www.assetpro.net/frames.html

So, if you are in the area, you might go to church and see if they'll give you a peek at Obama's Kenyan birth certificate.

Same garbage posted in early February: http://bleap.blogspot.com/2010/02/certified-cop…

And backtype indicates Bill has posted this several times, and has used the http://www.critchetts.com web address in doing so: http://www.backtype.com/url/www.critchetts.com

And Bill Pedrick also posted it way back in November: http://rovingpatrol.wordpress.com/2009/11/15/lo…

Also in November:

http://nobarack08.wordpress.com/2009/11/17/why-…

And this may be the first posting of “Kitau” portion of this piece: http://urbanlegends.about.com/b/2009/08/03/birt…

If it is, there is no proof whatsoever to back this up.

In any event, it appears Bill Pedrick is a one trick birfer. He has posted essentially the same thing over and over for months. I hope he has a broader repertoire on the organ.

Didn't Kitau also claim he was president of the Central Bank of Nigeria in some spam email?

I kind of like that. You have to admire the effort, it not the execution.

Even better was one I received several years ago asking me to invest in a Chinese peony farm….

Hi, Orly! I see that you still haven’t learned to write a coherent sentence in English. When are you going to pay your fine?

I think this poster is Orly or someone close to her. Poor syntax, made-up legal requirements, the insistence that disagreement means harassment….

Monkey, at least you are civil enough (barely) to post a reply that has a bit of substance. However, my birth certificate shows the doctor's name and my footprints. Why doesn't his? There are many things the public does not know about President Obama. He is a public servant and the people have the right to know exactly who he is. To block information such as the info I listed in my previous post is not right. I don't hate President Obama, but I do want answers. Still the reply's to my post are very childish. It's very easy to be a tough guy online, like Pie Higher. “Come on coward”? How funny. Guarantee you would not say that to me in person. You guys are closed minded. There is no actual discussion here. Just rants with a few big words mixed in to make you sound educated. You all obviously feel threatened by the birther movement, or you would not even be posting so much about it. I posted twice. I posted politely. I waited for an intelligent reply……Nothing! and more Nothing. Just insults and name calling. Good Luck and enjoy each other as I'm sure you do.

Reference the name of every hospital where every President was born before President Carter and all attending physicians.

It's your standard so it shouldn't be difficult, right?

Bill Pedrick……every bit of this is a LIE……..but somehow, folks, people think if they write this stuff, say “we have people and pictures of his parents right after his birth” and dumb shit like this, someone might believe them. I mean, I assure you a birfer will believe anything that says President Obama is born somewhere other than Hawaii, so knock yourself out Bill. But make no mistake, sane people know you're telling a bunch of lies.

And everyone knows that if there were pictures of baby Obama with his parents IN KENYA, it would be all over World Nut Daily and other birfer sites. It's not because, simply put, THERE IS NO PICTURE…..but you did entertain me, so thank you.

Okay Kirk, I will call you a birfer. So birfer, the same 10 people on the internet are posting hundreds of times trying to make up this “more and more” people you speak of……..it's bullshit, you know it, but you can't stand the sight of that Black man, President Obama, being the most powerful man in the free world. Well, he is, he was born in Hawaii, he won fair and square and he will be re-elected come the next election in 2012. Sooooooo, enjoy your day, k…….

Where do you say Barack Obama was born?
It is common knowledge in Hawaii that Barack Obama was born at the Kapi’olani Medical Center in Honolulu, Hawai’i. Honolulu is what it says on Obama’s birth certificate and that’s what two newspaper birth announcements said. The director of the Hawaii Department of Health even checked the original documents and issued a public statement, posted on the State web site, that Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii. A good source for information on how they feel in Hawaii is the Honolulu Advertiser newspaper that published a series of articles on Obama’s life in Hawaii.
I thought that those newspaper announcements were ads that anyone could have placed?
No, they are not ads; they came from a news service that got them from the Hawaii Department of Health. Because two competing newspapers published the same announcement (and with the same infants before and afterwards) means that the list of births had to have come from the same source. This is again information from the Honolulu Advertiser newspaper.
I thought a private investigator had sworn statements that proved that the newspaper announcement was false?
The investigator from Louisiana (who didn’t go to Hawaii at all) signed (but didn’t swear) that he had hired some unnamed person(s) in Hawaii to interview someone who supposedly lived next door to the address in the newspaper (but really lived 5 doors down) who said they didn’t remember a black child of a white mother. No one swore anything; the claim was from somebody who did not live close to next door and it was 47 years ago. A city directory from 1961 shows that the Stanley Ann Obama lived at the address in the newspaper.
I read that someone had called every hospital in Hawaii and all of them said that neither Barack Obama nor his mother had ever been a patient.
Of course, when you read that, you didn’t see the name and contact information for the person who supposedly made those calls. So why should you believe it ever happened? In any case the Privacy Rule of the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA) prevents the hospitals from saying anything. If anyone called the hospitals (and some people have), they will be told that the hospital can give out no information. This was discussed in a newspaper article from Honolulu.
John McCain published his birth certificate; why won’t Obama?
John McCain never published his birth certificate. A fake birth certificate was submitted by Hollander in the case of Hollander v. McCain. Barack Obama, however, published his birth certificate online in June, 2008.
I read that it had been proven that Obama’s so-called birth certificate was a fake.
A couple of bloggers who wouldn’t even give their real names (TechDude and Ron Polarik) claimed this was true, but they faked their analysis just like they faked their names and credentials.

http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/faq/

“He is a public servant and the people have the right to know exactly who he is.”

Please cite the provision of the Constitution, federal statute, or regulation requiring that a candidate for President, a President-elect, or a President must make all personal records available to the public. I keep hearing this from birfers, but no one has yet provided legal authority.

What I think it means is you WANT that information, not that you have a RIGHT to it. Fine. This is a democracy, so you know what you get to do if a candidate does not provide you with the information you want? You get to vote for someone else. Over 69 million people voted for Barack Obama, without having copies of his kindergarten fingerpaintings, his medical records, or any of the other things YOU want. Tough luck. Welcome to democracy.

If you want access to all of a President's personal records, get your representative or senator to introduce a bill in Congress.

Hi, NC! Why the new handle? Wasn't one name enough?

Or they can camp out for the construction and ribbon cutting ceremony of the Obama Presidential Library a few years away.

ellid, If you think I'm NC you are wrong. One person, one name here…..Kirk

Those not personal records. They are public records that are blocked.

Not a democracy. A Republic. As per our Pledge of Allegiance.

Since when are a person's educational records “public”? Please cite the public records laws covering educational records.

Since when is a lawyer's client list “public”? I'm a lawyer, with 20+ years in private practice. If you wanted a list of my clients, what statute would you cite in support of your claim that it is a “public record”?

As for Illinois senate records, what records do you want, what are the public records laws covering them, what requests have you (personally) made to see those records, and what were the results of those requests? The fact that something is a “public record” does not mean that the candidate has to provide it to you. It means that when you make a legally proper request to the custodian of those records, they must provide the records.

Oh, what fun! You want to play word games. So, we have the same form of government as the People's REPUBLIC of China? Is that what you are saying?

Whether you use the term “democracy” or the term “republic”, my point stands: if you don't think a candidate has provided you enough information, you can vote for someone else. That is your “right.” You can grant your vote, withhold your vote, or give your vote to someone else for whatever reason you like, rational or not. But access to all of a candidate's personal records is not your “right.”

Wow. I'm sending you my checking account number immediately!

Mani blesings wil b upn you family fr genertions to cme.

In that case you won't mind providing us with a link to a copy of your birth certificate proving that you weren't born in the Balkans, right?

Yes, what fun. You got it wrong and now you try to wiggle out by a cheap comparison to communist China. Because they use the word republic in their name. Good try. I don't know if there is a statute to check a client list. However, Education records should be easily accessible. But it's not accessible for him. When a person has a top security clearance and is responsible for the safety of our nation, their background is of the utmost importance. Nothing should be blocked or covered.
His associations include MORE than a few people that hate America. He is hurting small business owners and bailing out huge corporations. Economic stimulus attempts, bailouts and health care are nothing more than power and money grabs. You really can't see this? If you are happy with what's going on, so be it. You can try to get him elected for a second term. But remember, it's your country too and over the last 10 years we have lost a ton of freedom with Bush's Patriot Act and now gov. health care will take even more freedom. I will not vote for a republican and the democrats are really not for the people. They are just like the republicans. In bed with large corporations. What we needed was a REAL change. Not more of the same. Which is exactly what we are getting.

Nice change of subject. You know nothing about access to public records. Educational records, even at public schools, are not available to the general public. You have no legal right to an attorney's client records. And you have never asked for Illinois senate records.

I don't agree with all of Obama's policies. I think deploying more forces to Afghanistan is an utter waste of life and national finances. But you started this by alleging that you have a “right” to Obama's personal records. You don't. You can't cite any legal right. And what is more, you haven't even tried to get those records. You are just a whiner. Bye!

Educational records are not public. Neither are medical records.

The Pledge of Allegiance is not a government document, nor does it have the force of law, nor is anyone required to recite it. Why are you bringing it up?

bearclaw, Sorry for getting off topic. Hypothetically, does this mean I could say that I have a masters degree and graduated in the top of my class and nobody could verify without a judges order to view my private records? How does an employer verify education records? My brother's thesis is easily accessible I was able to read it online. No, whining here. Just very concerned.

Reference the name of every hospital where every President was born before President Carter and all attending physicians.

It's your standard so it shouldn't be difficult, right? Man up, birfer boy.

If you're not a bigot or a coward, why are you avoiding the question since you brought it up? Did you demand personal records for any other President?

You should demand to know what hospital Nixon was born in or why his Vice President had a non-American father.

Kirk,

The Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act protects the privacy of student educational records of any educational agency or institution that receives federal funds (and if you are a college, and students receive federal grants or student loans, then the college receives federal funds; any public elementary or secondary school in the country also receives federal funds). If you are an employer, you get a prospective employee to sign a release, which then allows the educational agency or institution to provide the employer with the information:

http://www2.ed.gov/policy/gen/guid/fpco/ferpa/i…

As for political candidates, I know that at least some states require that a candidate must be willing to provide proof for any statement made in a state-distributed voter's handbook.

In my opinion this is what the small portions of the republican party of “birthers, baggers and blowhards” have brought you. They are good at “Follow the Leader” of their dullard leaders, they listen to Beck, Hedgecock, Hannity, O’Reilly, Rush and Savage and the rest of the Blowhards. Are you surprise at what they do when you know what they think? The world is complicated and most republicans (Hamiliton, Lincoln, Roosevelt) believe that we should use government a little to increase social mobility, now its about dancing around the claim of government is the problem. Although most republicans are trying to distant themselves from this fringe they have a long way to go. And as they said in WACO “We Ain't Coming Out”.

And birfers like to quote Whirled Nut Daily usually without citing the source as if it was accurate, reliable and without an obvious political agenda.

You are, without a doubt, a coward.

“You guys are closed minded.”

And a hypocrite.

Obama's from Kenya!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHzFIvCy_iQ

For you…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHzFIvCy_iQ

birfers like to quote Whirled Nut Daily usually without citing the source as if it was accurate, reliable and without an obvious political agenda.

Someone is going to have to come forward with nailed down testimony that he was born in place B, wherever that is……..

what does is this even supposed to mean?

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