‘I Am Leading a War Against the British Empire’

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Thursday, March 04, 2010 at 12:11 pm

There’s mostly gallows humor to be had in the campaign of Kesha Rogers, a member of the amazingly resilient Lyndon LaRouche cult who snuck past two mainstream Democrats to grab the party’s nomination in TX-22. LaRouche candidates do this from time to time, and they do it surprisingly frequently in the South — the 2004 nominee against Sen. Trent Lott (R-Miss.) was a LaRouche cultist. The problem? The sorry state of some local Democratic organizations, who’ve fallen far from the days of one-party rule and can’t find serious candidates to beat the well-organized kooks. (If you want a Texas Democrat to groan, mention the name of Gene Kelley, a deranged lawyer who waged vanity campaign after vanity campaign in Texas counting on voters to mistake him for the late dancer.)

But what amuses me about this race is how the LaRouche cult’s semi-coherent ad hominem attacks on President Obama are being packaged as … an Obama campaign lookalike. Click on the Rogers site and you’re greeted by the white Gotham font on blue logo work of the Obama campaign.

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But read further and you get this:

After we impeach Obama, we are going to implement the LaRouche Plan, beginning with a global Glass-Steagall, and full-funding for a Moon-Mars mission, as the essential science driver behind a major commitment to build the modern infrastructure this nation needs.

Seriously, that’s what her campaign is about.

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241 Comments

thrutheseasons
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 2:00 pm

What do you do when the kooks are making more sense than the mainstream? The MIC has to be redirected to something or they will cause problem. Sending them to outer space seems like a good idea.


charlie
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 2:18 pm

why would we need troops in space?


davidsol
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 2:20 pm

When I was about 10 years old, I had the same political program: colonize outer space to relieve pressure on Earth. Glad to see someone finally has the guts to go for it. Too bad I'm not 10 anymore, otherwise I'd give her my vote.


STEPHANIE
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 2:22 pm

Really, IMPEACH OBAMA, WHERE WERE YOU WHEN BUSH WAS IN OFFICE. STEP ASIDE BIOTCH AND LET THE BIG BOYS PLAY.


elpinche
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 2:25 pm

There's a slow gas leak in Texas.

I just wish these people that have “Secede” against a Texas flag bumper stickers would stay within our state and quit embarrassing the rest of us.


LuZenMyMnd
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 2:33 pm

All I can say is….”how embarassing!” So in the meantime, and in between time….while we're moving from the US and relocating on Mars we have NO one to defend us because they're ALL in space? I think we have another Sarah on our hands. Implementation seems to be a problem.


afgail
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 2:40 pm

Well at least she didn't have her talking points written on her hand.


highnumber
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 2:52 pm

“I will take our troops out of the war zone and put them into space.”

Is that even addressed in the enlistment contract?


dratster
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 2:57 pm

Yes and I am sure that all of those treaties that we have signed with Russia and China promising not to militarize outer space are going to be met with a lot of warm feelings.

Sheesh, we need a better educated electorate!


AndySD
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 2:58 pm

Hell must've frozen over for these words to be flying off of my keyboard, but do the right thing voters of the Texas 22nd: Vote for the Republican!

Ugh! I can't believe I had to do that……….


kingsemelo
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 3:20 pm

kisha rogers is a dumbass…..come on, what is this? I'm embarrassed watching this clip….just go be a stay home mom……


kingsemelo
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 3:23 pm

As much as I hate kisha, Please dont vote republican…..kisha can be reformed…Republican only know how to be obstructionist and NO sayers…they are what is wrong with our politics…..selfish bums with high school mentalities.


AndreaD
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 3:25 pm

Impeach Obama for what? He hasn't really done anything Kesha. Did he redistribute 80% of the wealth to 2% of population? No that was Bush.
Did he lie us into an $11 trillion war? No that was Bush.
Did he and his pals have secret nergy meetings to raise the price of gas to $.50 a gallon? No that was Cheney.
Did he take away habeas corpus? No that was Bush.
Has he spied on us? Lied to us, no, no and no.
So Kesha and the rest of you in this country.
WHERE WERE YOU WHEN BUSH WAS LYING, SPYING AND STEALING FROM ALL OF US!
You pathetic little …….


AndreaD
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 3:26 pm

meant $4.50 a gallon


Andre
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 3:30 pm

Great….we have the left, the right, and now the ridiculous. This story is getting sad.


kimbutgar
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 3:34 pm

This woman is being put up by the regresssive party. She is bogus? Where is she proposing to getting the funding for this moon-mars mission. The only thing I do agree with her on is re-instating the Glass-Steagall Act.


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[...] mostly gallows humor to be had in the campaign of Kesha Rogers, a member of the amazingly resilient Lyndon LaRouche cult who snuck past two mainstream Democrats [...]


Calvin W
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 3:40 pm

So now we can all see why Healthcare, particularly mental Healthcare is needed for all americans. “…implement the LaRouche Plan”? really, I mean really?


MattW
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 3:46 pm

Uhhh, actually, the LaRouchie's have quite well fleshed out narratives about how the Bush's are emissaries of the lizard aliens plotting to enslave us. I believe they are 96% nuts, but you really oughtta do a tad of research before you go bloviating about things which you know not


NavyMom44
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 3:47 pm

Republicans were crossing over to vote for this nut, she is running in Tom DeLay's old district the reddest of the red districts.


silverchild
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 3:51 pm

So, what's kooky about that campaign video ad? Do you think John Kennedy was a kook for putting a man on the Moon? Do you have any idea of the benefits mankind reaped from the Apollo program?

Furthermore, the people of the 22nd CD of Texas knew exactly what Kesha was promoting-the Impeachment of Obama-and they voted for her because they agree! So if you don't like how the people vote, they must be idiots voting for a “cultist”?

The American people have had enough of bailing out the speculators (dirty billionaire gamblers), losing jobs, homes, and health care, collapsing infrastructure, and shut-downs of industry and scientific progress!

YOU are the idiot, or an agent of the Brutish Empire, and YOU are on the side that is going down, buddy!


Greg
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 3:54 pm

As nutty as LaRouche et al are, Glass-Steagal should be reimplemented and we should re-fund the moon/mars trips.


Greg
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 3:54 pm

As nutty as LaRouche et al are, Glass-Steagal should be reimplemented and we should re-fund the moon/mars trips.


ellid
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 3:55 pm

You clearly have no idea of what Lyndon Larouche and his merry band are like, or you would not have said that.


ellid
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 3:55 pm

You clearly have no idea of what Lyndon Larouche and his merry band are like, or you would not have said that.


ellid
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 3:55 pm

You left out the Queen of England controlling the worldwide trade in smack.


ellid
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 3:56 pm

If she's a Larouchie, then no, she can't be reformed. They're about as coherent as Moonies and far less functional.


silverchild
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 3:59 pm

I'll tell you where Kesha and LaRouche were when Bush was President-you idiot-they were leading the fight on the streets and on the internet and in the Halls of Congress-to impeach Dick Cheney (who ran Bush, the dummy), and to expose every lie and stop every crime they committed! Where were you?! Obama is doing the same as Bush and more-war in Afghanistan, bail out the billionaires, kill off the elderly and terminally ill with his so-called Health Care bill, shut down manned-space flight, and kiss the ass of the wicked British Queen-that's your Obama!

Lyndon LaRouche was railroaded into prison by GHW Bush and his associates-and freed from prison by Pres Clinton, who knows LaRouche was a political prisoner. How have you suffered to defeat evil on this planet?

If you had any brains, you'd be thanking God that Kesha won that primary!


macgregor57
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 4:02 pm

all one needs to know- it's in Texas.


silverchild
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 4:03 pm

You didn't have to do that, you fool, and you may be surprised to see Kesha win in November-it could happen in these times; you are all so pitifully other-directed-your beliefs are controlled by popular opinion-the voters of the 22nd district decided to think for themselves and not let the media think for them for a change…have the guts to stand and fight for principle, even, and especially when it's unpopular!


Ogami Itto
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 4:03 pm

Great satirical piece, silverchild, but seriously: isn't the “LaRouche Plan” basically an attempt to create a real-life Starfleet? I mean, I'm as a big a “Star Trek” fan as the next guy, but really…

Besides, the shapeshifting lizard aliens probably wouldn't let us colonize Mars anyway. ;-(


silverchild
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 4:03 pm

You have no imagination…no poetry in your soul…


silverchild
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 4:05 pm

SHE WAS FIGHTING TO IMPEACH DICK CHENEY, YOU IDIOT, AND SHE WAS LARGELY RESPONSIBLE FOR TOM DELAY'S DOWNFALL!!!!

WHERE WERE YOU?!!!!!


LuZenMyMnd
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 4:07 pm

Well…what's kooky?
Kennedy talked of putting A MAN on the moon…maybe 3 or 4. He would not speak of relocating the ENTIRE US military WHILE we are still at war in Afghanistan.

Yes the people of the 22nd CD of Texas may well know what Kesha is promoting. Could it be the republicans attempting to wreak havoc? Think outside of your little box.

Yes, as Americans we have had enough of bailing out large financial corporations, etc. However, she will be seen in time as another Sarah Palin. Grand ideas….but NO sense of implementation. She's being USED right now…just as Sarah was used. But she's too dumb to recognize it too. She'll be out there flailing like Sarah politically. Except she won't have Sarah's money to have fun while she's flailing. NOBODY will invite her to be the VP on their ticket.


silverchild
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 4:09 pm

Can't you people understand an idea? Do you have to take everything literally?

The idea is to have people become astronauts, scientists, engineers, people who build things and solve problems, and begin to understand the universe, not to militarize space! As for Russia and China, they are operating on the LaRouche plan-signing treaties to cooperate to build railroads, nuclear power plants, and other vital infrastructure-that's what we should be doing!


Lilac point
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 4:11 pm

Oh, well. Wackos come in all shapes, sizes, colours, and genders.


LuZenMyMnd
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 4:11 pm

Silverchild, you keep resorting to immature rants and name calling. Your defense of Rogers seems to be republiKLAN in nature. Name calling, condescending tone. Is this how YOUR candiate operates as well? We KNOW the republicans do. She's a plant.


johncoby
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 4:31 pm

WHOA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

THERE WERE NO TWO MAINSTREAM DEMOCRATS RUNNING!!!

I am from the district and a very active Democrat. Rogers, the loon, was running against a person who ran as a libertarian for the last decade and against someone who had no money, no support, and no clue as to what he was doing. That is HARDLY mainstream.

Rogers won because she was on the top of the slate. No one of them rasied money. They didnt campaign. They didnt send mailers. They didnt do anything expect pay their money and get on the ballot.

Get your facts right.


silverchild
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 4:32 pm

I'm a life long Democrat, and you are an idiot.


silverchild
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 4:32 pm

I'm a life long Democrat, and you are an idiot.


johncoby
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 4:33 pm

Rogers was NOT advocating a moon/mars trip. She was advocating for interspace commerce. Seriously. Between the earth, moon, and mars. Interspace commerce.


johncoby
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 4:33 pm

Rogers was NOT advocating a moon/mars trip. She was advocating for interspace commerce. Seriously. Between the earth, moon, and mars. Interspace commerce.


silverchild
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 4:33 pm

You just cannot be as dumb as you appear to be!


silverchild
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 4:33 pm

You just cannot be as dumb as you appear to be!


silverchild
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 4:33 pm

You just cannot be as dumb as you appear to be!


silverchild
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 4:35 pm

Y'know, you young folks missed the real space program and got all this stupid high-tech sci-fi crap in the movies-you need some real science…stop playing those damn video games and join the LaRouche Youth Movement to learn some real, exciting science, with which you can make history!


silverchild
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 4:35 pm

Y'know, you young folks missed the real space program and got all this stupid high-tech sci-fi crap in the movies-you need some real science…stop playing those damn video games and join the LaRouche Youth Movement to learn some real, exciting science, with which you can make history!


silverchild
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 4:35 pm

Y'know, you young folks missed the real space program and got all this stupid high-tech sci-fi crap in the movies-you need some real science…stop playing those damn video games and join the LaRouche Youth Movement to learn some real, exciting science, with which you can make history!


silverchild
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 4:35 pm

Y'know, you young folks missed the real space program and got all this stupid high-tech sci-fi crap in the movies-you need some real science…stop playing those damn video games and join the LaRouche Youth Movement to learn some real, exciting science, with which you can make history!


silverchild
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 4:37 pm

Honey, I was reading and listening to LaRouche before you were born…all you folks who dis LaRouche, and slander him-you never can back up your beliefs and accusations.


silverchild
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 4:37 pm

Honey, I was reading and listening to LaRouche before you were born…all you folks who dis LaRouche, and slander him-you never can back up your beliefs and accusations.


silverchild
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 4:37 pm

Honey, I was reading and listening to LaRouche before you were born…all you folks who dis LaRouche, and slander him-you never can back up your beliefs and accusations.


silverchild
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 4:37 pm

Honey, I was reading and listening to LaRouche before you were born…all you folks who dis LaRouche, and slander him-you never can back up your beliefs and accusations.


silverchild
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 4:37 pm

Honey, I was reading and listening to LaRouche before you were born…all you folks who dis LaRouche, and slander him-you never can back up your beliefs and accusations.


mikefromArlington
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 4:44 pm

Is there something wrong with her?


mikefromArlington
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 4:44 pm

Is there something wrong with her?


mikefromArlington
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 4:44 pm

Is there something wrong with her?


Gre
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 4:57 pm

Is she nuts or from outer space. “put our troops in outer space”?
What a nut!! I guess Texas has Crazies as well as any other state.


seymourhiney
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 5:05 pm

This is the black Sarah Palin. As nuty as this women is, she is much smarter than Palin. Palin could only see Russia from her house, this woman plans to rule the universe.

Warning-DO NOT DRINK WATER FROM TEXAS.


DJ
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 5:08 pm

She is brilliant… she knows there is no reason to Impeach Obama and she knows that the right wing simpletons of Texas would eat it up and vote for her without even checking to see what she stands for. Brilliant way for a Dem to get anywhere running in Texas. You have to be extreme to get elected in Texas … these people are hurting bad when it comes to politics, they aren't sharp at all.

Much respect to the sister.


wizard121
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 5:10 pm

another one !!!!


spacecabooie
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 5:17 pm

Are you proud of the work of FDR or of Lincoln? LaRouche and his international affiliates, have, sometimes it seems single handedly, carried the FDR, Lincoln, and Washington ideals into the 21st century. That ideal, spawned in the U.S.A. but as has been implemented in the past in fits and starts worldwide (Germany, Russia, pre-communist China), and as still present and nurtured in the hearts of statespersons worldwide, includes the intent to return sovereignty to the nations of the world – as opposed to leaving their fate in the hands of the worldwide but ancient financier oligarchy – in the mold of the American System of Political Economy, Lincoln's and FDR's incarnation of Hamilton's First National Bank, a bank created for the development of the productive capacity of the nation of the U.S.A., but whose basic principles were again and again appropriated by future great presidents, first for the re-establishment of the Union, and then for the development of the productive capacities of the other nations of the world with the intent to wipe out colonialsim, corporatism, fascism, et al.

Now how's your attention holding up this time ? So far so good ?

(You might yet have only a clue wrt the true meaning behind various politcal positions, but there's no harm in reaching beyond your clues.)

Anyway, one should probaby not think that each student of the large and ancient body of work which LaRouche is here only to instruct or pass down from history's best political and scientific minds, with little intent at self aggrandizement, is insane; I believe that integral to a person's condition of insanity is an inability to understnd the views, including criticisms, which others may have of and against them. LaRouche associates – again, wordwide – comprehend the existence of such views and do understand them. But in comparison to the population at large, and specifically to Demo establishmentarians at this juncture, they possess immensely greater courage – first to acquire the knowledge and then to apply it as the knowldge itself intends for them to.

My immense gratitude to the blog owner and to each reader for your space and time. No disclosure necessary as I am not an intimate Larouche interlocutor.


spacecabooie
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 5:17 pm

Are you proud of the work of FDR or of Lincoln? LaRouche and his international affiliates, have, sometimes it seems single handedly, carried the FDR, Lincoln, and Washington ideals into the 21st century. That ideal, spawned in the U.S.A. but as has been implemented in the past in fits and starts worldwide (Germany, Russia, pre-communist China), and as still present and nurtured in the hearts of statespersons worldwide, includes the intent to return sovereignty to the nations of the world – as opposed to leaving their fate in the hands of the worldwide but ancient financier oligarchy – in the mold of the American System of Political Economy, Lincoln's and FDR's incarnation of Hamilton's First National Bank, a bank created for the development of the productive capacity of the nation of the U.S.A., but whose basic principles were again and again appropriated by future great presidents, first for the re-establishment of the Union, and then for the development of the productive capacities of the other nations of the world with the intent to wipe out colonialsim, corporatism, fascism, et al.

Now how's your attention holding up this time ? So far so good ?

(You might yet have only a clue wrt the true meaning behind various politcal positions, but there's no harm in reaching beyond your clues.)

Anyway, one should probaby not think that each student of the large and ancient body of work which LaRouche is here only to instruct or pass down from history's best political and scientific minds, with little intent at self aggrandizement, is insane; I believe that integral to a person's condition of insanity is an inability to understnd the views, including criticisms, which others may have of and against them. LaRouche associates – again, wordwide – comprehend the existence of such views and do understand them. But in comparison to the population at large, and specifically to Demo establishmentarians at this juncture, they possess immensely greater courage – first to acquire the knowledge and then to apply it as the knowldge itself intends for them to.

My immense gratitude to the blog owner and to each reader for your space and time. No disclosure necessary as I am not an intimate Larouche interlocutor.


spacecabooie
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 5:17 pm

Are you proud of the work of FDR or of Lincoln? LaRouche and his international affiliates, have, sometimes it seems single handedly, carried the FDR, Lincoln, and Washington ideals into the 21st century. That ideal, spawned in the U.S.A. but as has been implemented in the past in fits and starts worldwide (Germany, Russia, pre-communist China), and as still present and nurtured in the hearts of statespersons worldwide, includes the intent to return sovereignty to the nations of the world – as opposed to leaving their fate in the hands of the worldwide but ancient financier oligarchy – in the mold of the American System of Political Economy, Lincoln's and FDR's incarnation of Hamilton's First National Bank, a bank created for the development of the productive capacity of the nation of the U.S.A., but whose basic principles were again and again appropriated by future great presidents, first for the re-establishment of the Union, and then for the development of the productive capacities of the other nations of the world with the intent to wipe out colonialsim, corporatism, fascism, et al.

Now how's your attention holding up this time ? So far so good ?

(You might yet have only a clue wrt the true meaning behind various politcal positions, but there's no harm in reaching beyond your clues.)

Anyway, one should probaby not think that each student of the large and ancient body of work which LaRouche is here only to instruct or pass down from history's best political and scientific minds, with little intent at self aggrandizement, is insane; I believe that integral to a person's condition of insanity is an inability to understnd the views, including criticisms, which others may have of and against them. LaRouche associates – again, wordwide – comprehend the existence of such views and do understand them. But in comparison to the population at large, and specifically to Demo establishmentarians at this juncture, they possess immensely greater courage – first to acquire the knowledge and then to apply it as the knowldge itself intends for them to.

My immense gratitude to the blog owner and to each reader for your space and time. No disclosure necessary as I am not an intimate Larouche interlocutor.


spacecabooie
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 5:17 pm

Are you proud of the work of FDR or of Lincoln? LaRouche and his international affiliates, have, sometimes it seems single handedly, carried the FDR, Lincoln, and Washington ideals into the 21st century. That ideal, spawned in the U.S.A. but as has been implemented in the past in fits and starts worldwide (Germany, Russia, pre-communist China), and as still present and nurtured in the hearts of statespersons worldwide, includes the intent to return sovereignty to the nations of the world – as opposed to leaving their fate in the hands of the worldwide but ancient financier oligarchy – in the mold of the American System of Political Economy, Lincoln's and FDR's incarnation of Hamilton's First National Bank, a bank created for the development of the productive capacity of the nation of the U.S.A., but whose basic principles were again and again appropriated by future great presidents, first for the re-establishment of the Union, and then for the development of the productive capacities of the other nations of the world with the intent to wipe out colonialsim, corporatism, fascism, et al.

Now how's your attention holding up this time ? So far so good ?

(You might yet have only a clue wrt the true meaning behind various politcal positions, but there's no harm in reaching beyond your clues.)

Anyway, one should probaby not think that each student of the large and ancient body of work which LaRouche is here only to instruct or pass down from history's best political and scientific minds, with little intent at self aggrandizement, is insane; I believe that integral to a person's condition of insanity is an inability to understnd the views, including criticisms, which others may have of and against them. LaRouche associates – again, wordwide – comprehend the existence of such views and do understand them. But in comparison to the population at large, and specifically to Demo establishmentarians at this juncture, they possess immensely greater courage – first to acquire the knowledge and then to apply it as the knowldge itself intends for them to.

My immense gratitude to the blog owner and to each reader for your space and time. No disclosure necessary as I am not an intimate Larouche interlocutor.


spacecabooie
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 5:17 pm

Are you proud of the work of FDR or of Lincoln? LaRouche and his international affiliates, have, sometimes it seems single handedly, carried the FDR, Lincoln, and Washington ideals into the 21st century. That ideal, spawned in the U.S.A. but as has been implemented in the past in fits and starts worldwide (Germany, Russia, pre-communist China), and as still present and nurtured in the hearts of statespersons worldwide, includes the intent to return sovereignty to the nations of the world – as opposed to leaving their fate in the hands of the worldwide but ancient financier oligarchy – in the mold of the American System of Political Economy, Lincoln's and FDR's incarnation of Hamilton's First National Bank, a bank created for the development of the productive capacity of the nation of the U.S.A., but whose basic principles were again and again appropriated by future great presidents, first for the re-establishment of the Union, and then for the development of the productive capacities of the other nations of the world with the intent to wipe out colonialsim, corporatism, fascism, et al.

Now how's your attention holding up this time ? So far so good ?

(You might yet have only a clue wrt the true meaning behind various politcal positions, but there's no harm in reaching beyond your clues.)

Anyway, one should probaby not think that each student of the large and ancient body of work which LaRouche is here only to instruct or pass down from history's best political and scientific minds, with little intent at self aggrandizement, is insane; I believe that integral to a person's condition of insanity is an inability to understnd the views, including criticisms, which others may have of and against them. LaRouche associates – again, wordwide – comprehend the existence of such views and do understand them. But in comparison to the population at large, and specifically to Demo establishmentarians at this juncture, they possess immensely greater courage – first to acquire the knowledge and then to apply it as the knowldge itself intends for them to.

My immense gratitude to the blog owner and to each reader for your space and time. No disclosure necessary as I am not an intimate Larouche interlocutor.


spacecabooie
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 5:17 pm

Are you proud of the work of FDR or of Lincoln? LaRouche and his international affiliates, have, sometimes it seems single handedly, carried the FDR, Lincoln, and Washington ideals into the 21st century. That ideal, spawned in the U.S.A. but as has been implemented in the past in fits and starts worldwide (Germany, Russia, pre-communist China), and as still present and nurtured in the hearts of statespersons worldwide, includes the intent to return sovereignty to the nations of the world – as opposed to leaving their fate in the hands of the worldwide but ancient financier oligarchy – in the mold of the American System of Political Economy, Lincoln's and FDR's incarnation of Hamilton's First National Bank, a bank created for the development of the productive capacity of the nation of the U.S.A., but whose basic principles were again and again appropriated by future great presidents, first for the re-establishment of the Union, and then for the development of the productive capacities of the other nations of the world with the intent to wipe out colonialsim, corporatism, fascism, et al.

Now how's your attention holding up this time ? So far so good ?

(You might yet have only a clue wrt the true meaning behind various politcal positions, but there's no harm in reaching beyond your clues.)

Anyway, one should probaby not think that each student of the large and ancient body of work which LaRouche is here only to instruct or pass down from history's best political and scientific minds, with little intent at self aggrandizement, is insane; I believe that integral to a person's condition of insanity is an inability to understnd the views, including criticisms, which others may have of and against them. LaRouche associates – again, wordwide – comprehend the existence of such views and do understand them. But in comparison to the population at large, and specifically to Demo establishmentarians at this juncture, they possess immensely greater courage – first to acquire the knowledge and then to apply it as the knowldge itself intends for them to.

My immense gratitude to the blog owner and to each reader for your space and time. No disclosure necessary as I am not an intimate Larouche interlocutor.


spacecabooie
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 5:17 pm

Are you proud of the work of FDR or of Lincoln? LaRouche and his international affiliates, have, sometimes it seems single handedly, carried the FDR, Lincoln, and Washington ideals into the 21st century. That ideal, spawned in the U.S.A. but as has been implemented in the past in fits and starts worldwide (Germany, Russia, pre-communist China), and as still present and nurtured in the hearts of statespersons worldwide, includes the intent to return sovereignty to the nations of the world – as opposed to leaving their fate in the hands of the worldwide but ancient financier oligarchy – in the mold of the American System of Political Economy, Lincoln's and FDR's incarnation of Hamilton's First National Bank, a bank created for the development of the productive capacity of the nation of the U.S.A., but whose basic principles were again and again appropriated by future great presidents, first for the re-establishment of the Union, and then for the development of the productive capacities of the other nations of the world with the intent to wipe out colonialsim, corporatism, fascism, et al.

Now how's your attention holding up this time ? So far so good ?

(You might yet have only a clue wrt the true meaning behind various politcal positions, but there's no harm in reaching beyond your clues.)

Anyway, one should probaby not think that each student of the large and ancient body of work which LaRouche is here only to instruct or pass down from history's best political and scientific minds, with little intent at self aggrandizement, is insane; I believe that integral to a person's condition of insanity is an inability to understnd the views, including criticisms, which others may have of and against them. LaRouche associates – again, wordwide – comprehend the existence of such views and do understand them. But in comparison to the population at large, and specifically to Demo establishmentarians at this juncture, they possess immensely greater courage – first to acquire the knowledge and then to apply it as the knowldge itself intends for them to.

My immense gratitude to the blog owner and to each reader for your space and time. No disclosure necessary as I am not an intimate Larouche interlocutor.


spacecabooie
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 5:17 pm

Are you proud of the work of FDR or of Lincoln? LaRouche and his international affiliates, have, sometimes it seems single handedly, carried the FDR, Lincoln, and Washington ideals into the 21st century. That ideal, spawned in the U.S.A. but as has been implemented in the past in fits and starts worldwide (Germany, Russia, pre-communist China), and as still present and nurtured in the hearts of statespersons worldwide, includes the intent to return sovereignty to the nations of the world – as opposed to leaving their fate in the hands of the worldwide but ancient financier oligarchy – in the mold of the American System of Political Economy, Lincoln's and FDR's incarnation of Hamilton's First National Bank, a bank created for the development of the productive capacity of the nation of the U.S.A., but whose basic principles were again and again appropriated by future great presidents, first for the re-establishment of the Union, and then for the development of the productive capacities of the other nations of the world with the intent to wipe out colonialsim, corporatism, fascism, et al.

Now how's your attention holding up this time ? So far so good ?

(You might yet have only a clue wrt the true meaning behind various politcal positions, but there's no harm in reaching beyond your clues.)

Anyway, one should probaby not think that each student of the large and ancient body of work which LaRouche is here only to instruct or pass down from history's best political and scientific minds, with little intent at self aggrandizement, is insane; I believe that integral to a person's condition of insanity is an inability to understnd the views, including criticisms, which others may have of and against them. LaRouche associates – again, wordwide – comprehend the existence of such views and do understand them. But in comparison to the population at large, and specifically to Demo establishmentarians at this juncture, they possess immensely greater courage – first to acquire the knowledge and then to apply it as the knowldge itself intends for them to.

My immense gratitude to the blog owner and to each reader for your space and time. No disclosure necessary as I am not an intimate Larouche interlocutor.


spacecabooie
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 5:17 pm

Are you proud of the work of FDR or of Lincoln? LaRouche and his international affiliates, have, sometimes it seems single handedly, carried the FDR, Lincoln, and Washington ideals into the 21st century. That ideal, spawned in the U.S.A. but as has been implemented in the past in fits and starts worldwide (Germany, Russia, pre-communist China), and as still present and nurtured in the hearts of statespersons worldwide, includes the intent to return sovereignty to the nations of the world – as opposed to leaving their fate in the hands of the worldwide but ancient financier oligarchy – in the mold of the American System of Political Economy, Lincoln's and FDR's incarnation of Hamilton's First National Bank, a bank created for the development of the productive capacity of the nation of the U.S.A., but whose basic principles were again and again appropriated by future great presidents, first for the re-establishment of the Union, and then for the development of the productive capacities of the other nations of the world with the intent to wipe out colonialsim, corporatism, fascism, et al.

Now how's your attention holding up this time ? So far so good ?

(You might yet have only a clue wrt the true meaning behind various politcal positions, but there's no harm in reaching beyond your clues.)

Anyway, one should probaby not think that each student of the large and ancient body of work which LaRouche is here only to instruct or pass down from history's best political and scientific minds, with little intent at self aggrandizement, is insane; I believe that integral to a person's condition of insanity is an inability to understnd the views, including criticisms, which others may have of and against them. LaRouche associates – again, wordwide – comprehend the existence of such views and do understand them. But in comparison to the population at large, and specifically to Demo establishmentarians at this juncture, they possess immensely greater courage – first to acquire the knowledge and then to apply it as the knowldge itself intends for them to.

My immense gratitude to the blog owner and to each reader for your space and time. No disclosure necessary as I am not an intimate Larouche interlocutor.


spacecabooie
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 5:17 pm

Are you proud of the work of FDR or of Lincoln? LaRouche and his international affiliates, have, sometimes it seems single handedly, carried the FDR, Lincoln, and Washington ideals into the 21st century. That ideal, spawned in the U.S.A. but as has been implemented in the past in fits and starts worldwide (Germany, Russia, pre-communist China), and as still present and nurtured in the hearts of statespersons worldwide, includes the intent to return sovereignty to the nations of the world – as opposed to leaving their fate in the hands of the worldwide but ancient financier oligarchy – in the mold of the American System of Political Economy, Lincoln's and FDR's incarnation of Hamilton's First National Bank, a bank created for the development of the productive capacity of the nation of the U.S.A., but whose basic principles were again and again appropriated by future great presidents, first for the re-establishment of the Union, and then for the development of the productive capacities of the other nations of the world with the intent to wipe out colonialsim, corporatism, fascism, et al.

Now how's your attention holding up this time ? So far so good ?

(You might yet have only a clue wrt the true meaning behind various politcal positions, but there's no harm in reaching beyond your clues.)

Anyway, one should probaby not think that each student of the large and ancient body of work which LaRouche is here only to instruct or pass down from history's best political and scientific minds, with little intent at self aggrandizement, is insane; I believe that integral to a person's condition of insanity is an inability to understnd the views, including criticisms, which others may have of and against them. LaRouche associates – again, wordwide – comprehend the existence of such views and do understand them. But in comparison to the population at large, and specifically to Demo establishmentarians at this juncture, they possess immensely greater courage – first to acquire the knowledge and then to apply it as the knowldge itself intends for them to.

My immense gratitude to the blog owner and to each reader for your space and time. No disclosure necessary as I am not an intimate Larouche interlocutor.


Faisal
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 5:34 pm

A manned space flight to mars is not by any means an outrageous idea. If someone travelled to mars with the same level of acceleration you are experiencing right now (1G, gravity) that person would get to Mars in less than 3 days. They can come back in the same time. The point is that by achieving a set goal, we end up developing new technologies and new understandings in a wide range of areas including physics, rocketry, automation, human physiology, geology, materials science, and chemical engineering. Additional value purchased with our spending would be the inspiration of our youth and the provision of gainful employment for scientists, engineers, and their support staff.


Faisal
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 5:34 pm

A manned space flight to mars is not by any means an outrageous idea. If someone travelled to mars with the same level of acceleration you are experiencing right now (1G, gravity) that person would get to Mars in less than 3 days. They can come back in the same time. The point is that by achieving a set goal, we end up developing new technologies and new understandings in a wide range of areas including physics, rocketry, automation, human physiology, geology, materials science, and chemical engineering. Additional value purchased with our spending would be the inspiration of our youth and the provision of gainful employment for scientists, engineers, and their support staff.


Faisal
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 5:34 pm

A manned space flight to mars is not by any means an outrageous idea. If someone travelled to mars with the same level of acceleration you are experiencing right now (1G, gravity) that person would get to Mars in less than 3 days. They can come back in the same time. The point is that by achieving a set goal, we end up developing new technologies and new understandings in a wide range of areas including physics, rocketry, automation, human physiology, geology, materials science, and chemical engineering. Additional value purchased with our spending would be the inspiration of our youth and the provision of gainful employment for scientists, engineers, and their support staff.


CMF
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 5:49 pm

So, what’s the deal with the “British Empire” obsession? Can someone explain that in a paragraph of no more than … we’ll say ten sentences, and without posting the same comment more than once?


Almaca
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 7:00 pm

You are right. Because Corrupt Republicans put US in this mess, we should never again vote for them. They are lazy and all they will do is to destroy our beloved America and say no to everything so we all go down. But in the meantime we support them with their salaries and health care. We do not need to impeach Obama, we need to impeach the Republican Congress!


Almaca
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 7:04 pm

Hey Silverchild,
No offense intended, but, are you part of this cult as well? If not, you sure look like one.


highnumber
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 7:31 pm

[sigh]

No, no I haven't.


silverchild
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 7:34 pm

Luzen, you already lost your mind! You're telling me to think outside of “my little box”? I suggest you go to larouchepac.com, and find out what LaRouche and his associates have been fighting for, and against, for the last 40 years-and how LaRouche has been slandered and persecuted by the oligarchy and the financial establishment for it. Kesha is NOT BEING USED-you and and everybody who believes popular opinion and the news media are-you have no idea who the enemy is. It IS the British-not the British people-but the London-centered financial oligarchy, including the evil British Queen and her consort, Prince Phillip, who wants to be “reincarnated as a deadly virus in order to help solve overpopulation” in his words, which means he wants to get rid of “the useless eaters” pf the planet. So he and his World Wide Fund for Nature, and other well-funded “environmentalist” groups, have brainwashed leagues of American youth and stupid baby boomers to believe that there are too many people in the world and that science and technology is bad! They do that so that you will accept genocide in Africa, etc., and will go for “green technology” and “sustainable technology” and “renewable resources” and all that bullshit which will mean the death of billions! They also promote dope and get you to fight for your “right to use it”, so that you will be too stoned to fight the modern-day Nazi bastards!

I recommend, among many other videos, “1932″, an excellent video created by young members of the LaRouchePAC, which can be viewed or downloaded on larouchepac.com.


Anonymous
Comment posted March 5, 2010 @ 12:39 am

It’s not a cult, you fool, it’s a political and philosophical association. and before you cast such aspersions on organizations and people, you ought to do some serious research. The Moonies, on the other hand, are a cult, and they get much better press coverage than LaRouche, and they have goo-gobs of money. Now, why is that, I wonder?

And how the Hell do you know what I look like?


Clarc King
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 7:41 pm

It's not correct to call the LaRouche movement a cult; You are not reporting the news, you smear. If the political leadership, the citizenry do not perceive the crisis as financial warfare, there will be no solution. We will lose everything.

Better to focus on calling attention and ridding the United States of a financiers' coup de tat, that the Fed , with the nation's financial resources, enables and supports. The United States is in submission in bailing out Globalization, the international monetary financier debt based market system, that is in an irreversible, accelerating, collapsing operation. Trillions in bailouts have only intensified the collapsing operation. The nation is staring at its' doom.

Statecraft demands the termination of the monetary financier system: put the Fed into bankruptcy protection, recover the bailout trillions, banks that qualify will join the U.S. National Bank under Glass-Steagall standards. Assert the national authority and create the long-term debt capital to re-finance industry. Counteract market forces that will expand the populous made useless. Credits and currency will be issued into the population's physical economy with the executive of creating the necessary facilities that enhance our standard of living. The attendant job mobilization and infrastructure projects, that people to work, will activate actual economic recovery.

The world is depending on the political process in the United States; rational, courageous and powerful measures must counterattack the international monetary financier system.


Anonymous
Comment posted March 5, 2010 @ 1:02 am

As I said, the word cult was in the general information. I did not make it
up. And when I said you look like one: it means: you look like a LaRouche
follower of this political and philosophical association. I am not a fool
and hope you are not either.


macgregor57
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 8:48 pm

LaRouchebot.


silverchild
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 8:51 pm

So, what's kooky about that campaign video ad? Do you think John Kennedy was a kook for putting a man on the Moon? Do you have any idea of the benefits mankind reaped from the Apollo program?

Furthermore, the people of the 22nd CD of Texas knew exactly what Kesha was promoting-the Impeachment of Obama-and they voted for her because they agree! So if you don't like how the people vote, they must be idiots voting for a “cultist”?

The American people have had enough of bailing out the speculators (dirty billionaire gamblers), losing jobs, homes, and health care, collapsing infrastructure, and shut-downs of industry and scientific progress!

YOU are the idiot, or an agent of the Brutish Empire, and YOU are on the side that is going down, buddy!


Greg
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 8:54 pm

As nutty as LaRouche et al are, Glass-Steagal should be reimplemented and we should re-fund the moon/mars trips.


ellid
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 8:55 pm

You clearly have no idea of what Lyndon Larouche and his merry band are like, or you would not have said that.


ellid
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 8:55 pm

You left out the Queen of England controlling the worldwide trade in smack.


Anonymous
Comment posted March 5, 2010 @ 1:56 am

I know you did not make up the word cult-you read it somewhere and believed it without investigating. That is foolish. Stop believing everything you read about people like LaRouche and his associates who have the guts and integrity to go against popular belief.


ellid
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 8:56 pm

If she's a Larouchie, then no, she can't be reformed. They're about as coherent as Moonies and far less functional.


silverchild
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 8:59 pm

I'll tell you where Kesha and LaRouche were when Bush was President-you idiot-they were leading the fight on the streets and on the internet and in the Halls of Congress-to impeach Dick Cheney (who ran Bush, the dummy), and to expose every lie and stop every crime they committed! Where were you?! Obama is doing the same as Bush and more-war in Afghanistan, bail out the billionaires, kill off the elderly and terminally ill with his so-called Health Care bill, shut down manned-space flight, and kiss the ass of the wicked British Queen-that's your Obama!

Lyndon LaRouche was railroaded into prison by GHW Bush and his associates-and freed from prison by Pres Clinton, who knows LaRouche was a political prisoner. How have you suffered to defeat evil on this planet?

If you had any brains, you'd be thanking God that Kesha won that primary!


macgregor57
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 9:02 pm

all one needs to know- it's in Texas.


silverchild
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 9:03 pm

You didn't have to do that, you fool, and you may be surprised to see Kesha win in November-it could happen in these times; you are all so pitifully other-directed-your beliefs are controlled by popular opinion-the voters of the 22nd district decided to think for themselves and not let the media think for them for a change…have the guts to stand and fight for principle, even, and especially when it's unpopular!


Ogami Itto
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 9:03 pm

Great satirical piece, silverchild, but seriously: isn't the “LaRouche Plan” basically an attempt to create a real-life Starfleet? I mean, I'm as a big a “Star Trek” fan as the next guy, but really…

Besides, the shapeshifting lizard aliens probably wouldn't let us colonize Mars anyway. ;-(


silverchild
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 9:03 pm

You have no imagination…no poetry in your soul…


LuZenMyMnd
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 9:07 pm

Well…what's kooky?
Kennedy talked of putting A MAN on the moon…maybe 3 or 4. He would not speak of relocating the ENTIRE US military WHILE we are still at war in Afghanistan.

Yes the people of the 22nd CD of Texas may well know what Kesha is promoting. Could it be the republicans attempting to wreak havoc? Think outside of your little box.

Yes, as Americans we have had enough of bailing out large financial corporations, etc. However, she will be seen in time as another Sarah Palin. Grand ideas….but NO sense of implementation. She's being USED right now…just as Sarah was used. But she's too dumb to recognize it too. She'll be out there flailing like Sarah politically. Except she won't have Sarah's money to have fun while she's flailing. NOBODY will invite her to be the VP on their ticket.


Lilac point
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 9:11 pm

Oh, well. Wackos come in all shapes, sizes, colours, and genders.


LuZenMyMnd
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 9:11 pm

Silverchild, you keep resorting to immature rants and name calling. Your defense of Rogers seems to be republiKLAN in nature. Name calling, condescending tone. Is this how YOUR candiate operates as well? We KNOW the republicans do. She's a plant.


johncoby
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 9:31 pm

WHOA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

THERE WERE NO TWO MAINSTREAM DEMOCRATS RUNNING!!!

I am from the district and a very active Democrat. Rogers, the loon, was running against a person who ran as a libertarian for the last decade and against someone who had no money, no support, and no clue as to what he was doing. That is HARDLY mainstream.

Rogers won because she was on the top of the slate. No one of them rasied money. They didnt campaign. They didnt send mailers. They didnt do anything expect pay their money and get on the ballot.

Get your facts right.


silverchild
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 9:32 pm

I'm a life long Democrat, and you are an idiot.


johncoby
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 9:33 pm

Rogers was NOT advocating a moon/mars trip. She was advocating for interspace commerce. Seriously. Between the earth, moon, and mars. Interspace commerce.


silverchild
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 9:33 pm

You just cannot be as dumb as you appear to be!


silverchild
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 9:35 pm

Y'know, you young folks missed the real space program and got all this stupid high-tech sci-fi crap in the movies-you need some real science…stop playing those damn video games and join the LaRouche Youth Movement to learn some real, exciting science, with which you can make history!


silverchild
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 9:37 pm

Honey, I was reading and listening to LaRouche before you were born…all you folks who dis LaRouche, and slander him-you never can back up your beliefs and accusations.


mikefromArlington
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 9:44 pm

Is there something wrong with her?


Gre
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 9:57 pm

Is she nuts or from outer space. “put our troops in outer space”?
What a nut!! I guess Texas has Crazies as well as any other state.


seymourhiney
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 10:05 pm

This is the black Sarah Palin. As nuty as this women is, she is much smarter than Palin. Palin could only see Russia from her house, this woman plans to rule the universe.

Warning-DO NOT DRINK WATER FROM TEXAS.


DJ
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 10:08 pm

She is brilliant… she knows there is no reason to Impeach Obama and she knows that the right wing simpletons of Texas would eat it up and vote for her without even checking to see what she stands for. Brilliant way for a Dem to get anywhere running in Texas. You have to be extreme to get elected in Texas … these people are hurting bad when it comes to politics, they aren't sharp at all.

Much respect to the sister.


wizard121
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 10:10 pm

another one !!!!


spacecabooie
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 10:17 pm

Are you proud of the work of FDR or of Lincoln? LaRouche and his international affiliates, have, sometimes it seems single handedly, carried the FDR, Lincoln, and Washington ideals into the 21st century. That ideal, spawned in the U.S.A. but as has been implemented in the past in fits and starts worldwide (Germany, Russia, pre-communist China), and as still present and nurtured in the hearts of statespersons worldwide, includes the intent to return sovereignty to the nations of the world – as opposed to leaving their fate in the hands of the worldwide but ancient financier oligarchy – in the mold of the American System of Political Economy, Lincoln's and FDR's incarnation of Hamilton's First National Bank, a bank created for the development of the productive capacity of the nation of the U.S.A., but whose basic principles were again and again appropriated by future great presidents, first for the re-establishment of the Union, and then for the development of the productive capacities of the other nations of the world with the intent to wipe out colonialsim, corporatism, fascism, et al.

Now how's your attention holding up this time ? So far so good ?

(You might yet have only a clue wrt the true meaning behind various politcal positions, but there's no harm in reaching beyond your clues.)

Anyway, one should probaby not think that each student of the large and ancient body of work which LaRouche is here only to instruct or pass down from history's best political and scientific minds, with little intent at self aggrandizement, is insane; I believe that integral to a person's condition of insanity is an inability to understnd the views, including criticisms, which others may have of and against them. LaRouche associates – again, wordwide – comprehend the existence of such views and do understand them. But in comparison to the population at large, and specifically to Demo establishmentarians at this juncture, they possess immensely greater courage – first to acquire the knowledge and then to apply it as the knowldge itself intends for them to.

My immense gratitude to the blog owner and to each reader for your space and time. No disclosure necessary as I am not an intimate Larouche interlocutor.


Faisal
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 10:34 pm

A manned space flight to mars is not by any means an outrageous idea. If someone travelled to mars with the same level of acceleration you are experiencing right now (1G, gravity) that person would get to Mars in less than 3 days. They can come back in the same time. The point is that by achieving a set goal, we end up developing new technologies and new understandings in a wide range of areas including physics, rocketry, automation, human physiology, geology, materials science, and chemical engineering. Additional value purchased with our spending would be the inspiration of our youth and the provision of gainful employment for scientists, engineers, and their support staff.


Almaca
Comment posted March 5, 2010 @ 12:00 am

You are right. Because Corrupt Republicans put US in this mess, we should never again vote for them. They are lazy and all they will do is to destroy our beloved America and say no to everything so we all go down. But in the meantime we support them with their salaries and health care. We do not need to impeach Obama, we need to impeach the Republican Congress!


highnumber
Comment posted March 5, 2010 @ 12:31 am

[sigh]

No, no I haven't.


silverchild
Comment posted March 5, 2010 @ 12:34 am

Luzen, you already lost your mind! You're telling me to think outside of “my little box”? I suggest you go to larouchepac.com, and find out what LaRouche and his associates have been fighting for, and against, for the last 40 years-and how LaRouche has been slandered and persecuted by the oligarchy and the financial establishment for it. Kesha is NOT BEING USED-you and and everybody who believes popular opinion and the news media are-you have no idea who the enemy is. It IS the British-not the British people-but the London-centered financial oligarchy, including the evil British Queen and her consort, Prince Phillip, who wants to be “reincarnated as a deadly virus in order to help solve overpopulation” in his words, which means he wants to get rid of “the useless eaters” pf the planet. So he and his World Wide Fund for Nature, and other well-funded “environmentalist” groups, have brainwashed leagues of American youth and stupid baby boomers to believe that there are too many people in the world and that science and technology is bad! They do that so that you will accept genocide in Africa, etc., and will go for “green technology” and “sustainable technology” and “renewable resources” and all that bullshit which will mean the death of billions! They also promote dope and get you to fight for your “right to use it”, so that you will be too stoned to fight the modern-day Nazi bastards!

I recommend, among many other videos, “1932″, an excellent video created by young members of the LaRouchePAC, which can be viewed or downloaded on larouchepac.com.


Clarc King
Comment posted March 5, 2010 @ 12:41 am

It's not correct to call the LaRouche movement a cult; You are not reporting the news, you smear. If the political leadership, the citizenry do not perceive the crisis as financial warfare, there will be no solution. We will lose everything.

Better to focus on calling attention and ridding the United States of a financiers' coup de tat, that the Fed , with the nation's financial resources, enables and supports. The United States is in submission in bailing out Globalization, the international monetary financier debt based market system, that is in an irreversible, accelerating, collapsing operation. Trillions in bailouts have only intensified the collapsing operation. The nation is staring at its' doom.

Statecraft demands the termination of the monetary financier system: put the Fed into bankruptcy protection, recover the bailout trillions, banks that qualify will join the U.S. National Bank under Glass-Steagall standards. Assert the national authority and create the long-term debt capital to re-finance industry. Counteract market forces that will expand the populous made useless. Credits and currency will be issued into the population's physical economy with the executive of creating the necessary facilities that enhance our standard of living. The attendant job mobilization and infrastructure projects, that people to work, will activate actual economic recovery.

The world is depending on the political process in the United States; rational, courageous and powerful measures must counterattack the international monetary financier system.


macgregor57
Comment posted March 5, 2010 @ 1:48 am

LaRouchebot.


MATTIE
Comment posted March 5, 2010 @ 3:45 am

Can she be serious? well at least she is a Democrat, but, that doe's not mean anything when it come's to supporting the President! he is surrounded by DEMOCRATIC TRAITOR'S! this is sad, Bush get's to walk around free as a bird, young men and women died and for what? NOTHING! yet American's are Persecuting a President cause he want's to pass a HEALTH CARE BILL?

What is wrong with you people? America is the way it is now because of GREED! and who is responsible for that? well, let's see, the PEOPLE that DON'T want CHANGE! the one's that have been running this country before a Black man became President!


MATTIE
Comment posted March 5, 2010 @ 4:09 am

Any poor person that VOTE'S for a Republican deserve what they get, what will they get in return for their VOTE! POVERTY! trust me, if we think it's bad now, just wait, if a White Republican Male ever get's back in the White House, America will look like a Third World Country! the REP/ will PUNISH the POOR and NEEDY back for Voting for a Black man!

Has anyone ever heard of SOUP LINE'S? well, that BUNNING man was telling unemployed American's what he REALLY think's of them! oh and unemployed Republican's were included! this man could care less about POLITICAL PARTY!

IMPEACH all thing's REPUBLICAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Anonymous
Comment posted March 5, 2010 @ 3:34 pm

And you don’t have the technology or the money to institute your stupid “beam weapons” program.


jack13
Comment posted March 5, 2010 @ 1:40 pm

We need to put her in office. Think about it.


jack13
Comment posted March 5, 2010 @ 1:42 pm

Seriously, go to keshaforcongress.com and donate, she is the only tea=party candidate nationally to win a primary.


mizdaice
Comment posted March 5, 2010 @ 1:56 pm

Hey y'all. Gov good hair, KBH, Cornyn, and every other conservative/republican elected official talk about putting tx first but its really about the benjamins. Fast talking scum who will promise the moon to get elected and when they get in they hire their family, friends, and political contributors to every state office they can.

I pray for the day idiot tx voters wake up and realize that we have had enough of these tx-grown carpetbaggers.How long will this go on? Until tx is falls into the sea of intranquiltiy an into an abyss so deep no one will get out.


jack13
Comment posted March 5, 2010 @ 1:57 pm

Dug up a curious YouTube video with Kesha in it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMxCOeKmMfU


Rocket Scientist
Comment posted March 5, 2010 @ 2:07 pm

Mr Weigel – if the “journalists” in the media would do their job and their industry 'seriously” inform the US public, then your “name-calling” article here wouldn't have been necessary.

But “seriously”:

An African American president appoints and allows former Wall Street insiders and Bankers to guarantee 15 trillion dollars of the kind of financial paper that got our country in debt (CDOs, MBSs, etc…) and take this private and irresonsible gambling debt onto the shoulders of the American people. And that, without a single additional financial regulation being created to limit the practices that have destroyed our economy in the first place. The game goes on.

Obama allows Peter Orszag to present a budget that shuts down NASA manned space flight yet increases budget to pay out even more to “private” industry looking to build plastic sub-orbit vehicles. C'mon – even Russia, China and India aren't that stupid.

No budget for fast breeder nuclear reactors that will eliminate our currently stored radioactive waste and power our country for the next 700 years at current consumption rates and at the same time end the threat of nuclear terrorism by ridding the planet of fissionable bomb material. Russian engineers are already slated to design 12 for the Republic of China.

Seriously, Mr Weigel? Where were you?
No, Kesha Rogers is the only sane person in the poltics of District TX-22. Seriously.


ellid
Comment posted March 5, 2010 @ 3:26 pm

Been sucking on the beam weapons again, I see….


ellid
Comment posted March 5, 2010 @ 3:27 pm

It is most definitely accurate to call the Larouchies a cult, as you should know since you seem to be part of it.


ellid
Comment posted March 5, 2010 @ 3:27 pm

Oh goodie! The Larouchies are spamming the board!


ellid
Comment posted March 5, 2010 @ 3:31 pm

Unless you've known Larouche since his Socialist days back in the 1950s, you most certainly have not been a supporter of his since before I was born.

As for Larouche, he's even more entertaining than Orly Taitz, if somewhat less sane.


ellid
Comment posted March 5, 2010 @ 3:32 pm

You most certainly are not a Democrat. You're a Larouchie who registers as a Democrat to influence the primary.


Anonymous
Comment posted March 5, 2010 @ 9:10 pm

I am a REAL Democrat-an FDR Democrat, which is a lot like a Lincoln Republican-both of which are very scarce today. I was born a Democrat-with liberal Jewish parents-my mother was an activist for Democratic candidates, and I have been active in social causes since I was 14, when I marched with the anti-VN war movement through my town in NY.

Nancy Pelosi, Obama, Barney Frank, etc., are NOT Democrats, they are Wall Street/London toadies who call themselves Democrats.  Bill Clinton is much more a Democrat than those pigs.


Anonymous
Comment posted March 5, 2010 @ 9:10 pm

I am a REAL Democrat-an FDR Democrat, which is a lot like a Lincoln Republican-both of which are very scarce today. I was born a Democrat-with liberal Jewish parents-my mother was an activist for Democratic candidates, and I have been active in social causes since I was 14, when I marched with the anti-VN war movement through my town in NY.

Nancy Pelosi, Obama, Barney Frank, etc., are NOT Democrats, they are Wall Street/London toadies who call themselves Democrats.  Bill Clinton is much more a Democrat than those pigs.


Anonymous
Comment posted March 5, 2010 @ 9:11 pm

Beam weapons are not stupid-you are.


Anonymous
Comment posted March 5, 2010 @ 9:11 pm

Beam weapons are not stupid-you are.


plow
Comment posted March 5, 2010 @ 4:17 pm

How much for a bottle of snake oil Kesha?


Go Away CIA
Comment posted March 5, 2010 @ 5:26 pm

Oh goodie!! Ellid is spamming the board! With random negative stuff about Larouche, yet NOTHING TO BACK IT UP. Evidence? I thought not.


Go Away CIA
Comment posted March 5, 2010 @ 5:31 pm

Yeah, sure…Larouche said shitty things in the FIFTIES, so we should call him a “cultist” and hate him now. How about you, Ellid? Would you like to be judged based on the ideas you held FORTY YEARS AGO? Please. Read up on Larouche's CURRENT ideas, before you pass your shallow judgments. If you think he's weird, fine. But his ideas are not at all weird. His ideas are correct.


Go Away CIA
Comment posted March 5, 2010 @ 5:34 pm

Mainstream-partisan-politicsbot. CIAbot.

Seriously, people dissing The LaRouche Plan, do you know what's in it? Do you have an alternative? That would actually work?

LaRouche may be a lot of things as a human being, but he is correct about the state of the economy and what needs to be done to fix it. If you disagree, PROVE YOUR POINT. Otherwise, save your ad hominem BS.


Go Away CIA
Comment posted March 5, 2010 @ 5:36 pm

Actually, that's David Icke.


Go Away CIA
Comment posted March 5, 2010 @ 5:36 pm

Actually, that's David Icke.


dartmouth
Comment posted March 5, 2010 @ 6:14 pm

http://rachelforcongress.com/

Rachel brown from the Barney Frank Town hall meeting this past summer is running. She is a Larouche candidate too.


Anonymous
Comment posted March 5, 2010 @ 11:42 pm

His ideas haven’t changed. He has only had one idea his entire life: “Lyndon LaRouche is the most brilliant man who has ever lived and anyone who fails to blindly follow him does so at their own peril.” Same philosophy as any cult leader. That is why he has been able to shift from Troskyite (Spartacist Youth League) to anti-communist without missing a step. It is always about him.


Anonymous
Comment posted March 5, 2010 @ 11:42 pm

His ideas haven’t changed. He has only had one idea his entire life: “Lyndon LaRouche is the most brilliant man who has ever lived and anyone who fails to blindly follow him does so at their own peril.” Same philosophy as any cult leader. That is why he has been able to shift from Troskyite (Spartacist Youth League) to anti-communist without missing a step. It is always about him.


cmf
Comment posted March 5, 2010 @ 7:12 pm

Does the Tea Party movement know that the Larouche candidates want to drastically increase government spending? And that they're for universal health care? I just don't get how these two groups work together…


dcevans1
Comment posted March 5, 2010 @ 7:49 pm

Listen & pay attention to what candidates have to say–then examine it carefully– before going off at the mouth in senseless condemnation.


ellid
Comment posted March 5, 2010 @ 8:41 pm

To quote Barney Frank:

“Talking to you is like talking to the dining room table.”


ellid
Comment posted March 5, 2010 @ 8:44 pm

A round trip manned flight to Mars would take more like five years than three days, and the astronauts would be crippled by bone loss from the weightless environment. This is not Star Trek.


dartmouth
Comment posted March 5, 2010 @ 8:46 pm

It wasn't tea party people that voted this girl in…it was Democrats


dartmouth
Comment posted March 5, 2010 @ 8:47 pm

Economic stimulus….rachel and this lady have the same talking points


ellid
Comment posted March 5, 2010 @ 8:47 pm

Sorry, but I stand by what I said: unless Silverchild has been in the Larouche cult since the late 1950s, s/he has most certainly NOT been a follower of Lyndon Larouche since before I was born.

As for Lyndon Larouche's ideas, they're as crazy now as they were twenty years ago when his grinning goons were shoving pamphlets in my face on the streets of Boston.


silverchild
Comment posted March 5, 2010 @ 9:05 pm

No, I have known him since the late 60s-and he's probably the sanest man on the planet.


bearclaw
Comment posted March 5, 2010 @ 9:11 pm

Oh, yes, I see now that you LaRouchies are all so very much smarter and more courageous than the rest of us. Of course, your post is utter gibberish, but that is one of the marks of a cult — the absence of any coherent philosophy because the only real glue holding you together is Lyndon LaRouche, Jr.


bearclaw
Comment posted March 5, 2010 @ 9:27 pm

Ellid is a regular on the TWI blog, unlike the bunch of LaRouchies (Go Away CIA, spacecabooie, rocket scientist, miz daice, etc.) who have suddently popped in as “guests” to defend their cult leader. How exactly does the crazy old coot alert all of you that his Brilliance has been offended? Classic cult stuff: you actually believe that Lyndon LaRouche has unique insights into economics, philosophy, science, etc., when in fact his positions are largely incoherent and his science is laughably wrong.


bearclaw
Comment posted March 5, 2010 @ 9:51 pm

Assuming you went when Earth and Mars are closest together — 36 million miles — getting there in three days would require an average speed of 500,000 miles per hour. At the farthest distance — 250 million miles — getting there in three days would require an average speed of 3.47 million miles per hour. The fastest manned spacecraft to date was Apollo 10 at slightly under 25,000 mph. Now, assuming an unlimited source of fuel, in space you could in theory accelerate continuously, to the speed of light. Of course, if you hit some minor particles while traveling at near C, it would release energy like a nuclear explosion. Not fun.

I haven't bothered calculating how fast you could cover the distance at 1G acceleration, because you haven't explained the force that would permit that acceleration to occur continuously between Earth and Mars. You would not have the Earth's gravitational pull, which is what gives us 1G on the surface of the Earth. So what causes the acceleration? All you have is an “if,” not a “how.” Real science requires a “how.” Cults, apparently, do not.


bearclaw
Comment posted March 5, 2010 @ 9:59 pm

I went to Langley Hill Friends Meeting in Virginia for a while in the 1980s; LaRouche's dad (who was quite elderly) occasionally attended, and was suffering some pretty significant dementia. He would talk about conversations he had had that week with his wife, as she sat at the piano. She, of course, was long dead. He also would ramble about how cremation was horrible because it would make it impossible for God to resurrect your body. Anyway, in my opinion the apple didn't fall far from the tree, except that the son has managed to bring a lot of people along for his ride in the crazymobile.


RobertP
Comment posted March 5, 2010 @ 10:06 pm

A leader of the Japanese-American Christian and theatrical community in New York replied to me after I sent her news of Kesha's victory: “This is the most politically hopeful news I've heard for a long time.” I think this person speaks for many. The smog of pessimism is beginning to lift, thanks to Kesha's victory in the Texas Democratic primary.


bearclaw
Comment posted March 5, 2010 @ 10:49 pm

The dottering British monarchs? That is what you are afraid of? Heavens, how do sleep at night knowing that Prince Phillip might be sipping tea and plotting your destruction?

Typical cult claptrap: “Only we know the danger the world is facing.” Octogenarian British monarchs and solar panels are out to get us. BOO!


silverchild
Comment posted March 5, 2010 @ 11:24 pm

LaRouche is 87 and he is one tough, smart, feisty SOB!  Being old doesn't mean you're in a rocking chair. 

Furthermore, they are the primus inter pares of a financial oligarchy, which has power through financial control and control of news media and culture and education.  Why is it so hard to understand for you?  What the Hell do you think George Washington was fighting?


bearclaw
Comment posted March 5, 2010 @ 11:25 pm

I listened. And in my opinion she is nuts. Or she is engaging in the most cynical possible pander to those in the Houston area who have a stake in NASA. “Habitation” of Mars? Why? Why would we want to inhabit a planet with less than half the sunlight Earth gets, and a more extreme climate (not as warm in “summer” and much colder in “winter”).

Let's focus on taking better care of this planet. No thanks, Kesha. Go back and ask Lyndon for new instructions.


bearclaw
Comment posted March 5, 2010 @ 11:48 pm

Thanks, but I can't. On Kesha's advice, I invested all my money in the futures market — the 2035 Martian corn crop, to be specific.


dcevans1
Comment posted March 6, 2010 @ 12:50 am

Well, that's what they said about Columbus and Edison and Neil Armstrong's crew andethe rest:: “He's nuts.”

Yeah, it seems unfeasible and rather far fetched to think about us and Mars.

But this guy La Rouche has answers, while the rest of the political world has problems to feed their interests by exacerbating.
Really, if the guy didn't make so much sense, he'd be discounted as a fringe element and not get so much sabotage. (Yeah, they try to make you think he's a fringe element and enough dupes out there believe it, but those brave enough to look into it objectively

I'm not knowledgable enough to really discuss the Mars potential, but I would rather support someone with solutions, instead of more bullying–as in La Rouche proposing global economic projects and global economic rights instead of our usual American cries for more war as the ever-solution to other peoples wanting some of America's pie.

If she's with La Rouche then she deserves real attention, not a climate control analysis.

DanEvans

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bearclaw
Comment posted March 6, 2010 @ 2:01 am

Show me exactly who denounced Columbus, Edison and Neil Armstrong as “nuts.” I remember the first moon landing — yes, it was dangerous, but the science was very carefully thought out.

You would rather support someone with solutions. Fine. But what does going to Mars solve? And why would we send our troops into space, as Kesha Rogers advocates?

I've read to much about Lyndon LaRouche to follow him. If you haven't been sucked too deep into the cult, please for your sake try to get out now.


bearclaw
Comment posted March 6, 2010 @ 2:12 am

You live in an imagined world of conspiracies. I am a lawyer, and deal with facts. If you can't prove it, don't assert it. Why anyone would follow a cult leader like LaRouche is beyond me. When I was in college, I saw people get swallowed up by the Moonies. Same deal.

George Washington was fighting for independence. We won. He is dead. So is George III. If you think the Queen of England, let alone the Prince Consort, has any real power, you are screaming crazy. I expect LaRouche has told you there is a deep conspiracy, and you find it satisfying to believe that you now share that special knowledge. But rest assured, you are bonkers.


dcevans1
Comment posted March 6, 2010 @ 2:41 am

Hey, I don't have the data you kid me about re: expolorers and inventors–just the general knowledge that whenever anybody has a radical idea, people will call him/her “nuts.”

But you bring up a good point, in that the moon trip was well thought out. This is just what La Rouche is saying needs to be done, i.e. well thought out research and development and pioneering that progresses the general state of mankind, even though on the surface it looks like money thrown to pie in the sky.

La Rouche was and still is a strong advocate of the scientific blessings brought on by the moon project. Hence, his advocacy of going further.

You come across as typically duped by the mainstream media re: La Rouche. I've talked to dozens if not hundreds of this kind on the street, giving the air head response: “Oh, I know all about La Rouche. Is he out of jail yet, ha ha ha.”
You merely confirm what we closer to the movement know: That La Rouche is systematically shunned.

But some of us don't care what the herd is directing us to do. We look at common sense, not to mention the morality of it–like it making a hell of a lot more sense to solve things econmically rather than militarily.

I was caught up in the La Rouche movement (I know it's cute and makes you feel smart to call it a cult, and you call any damm group with a leader a cult you want to, but I've been inside the group and have been immensely impressed that these folks will live on a ideological diet of solving our most far-reaching hardships through better ideas while they get little material gain.
They're incredibly committed, yeah–listening to opera instead of football and stuff–stuff like being voices in the wilderness, only motivated by truth, as opposed to social approval–and sure, whatever definition of “cult” you want to make, would fit them, but that a'int the point.

The point is,who has better ideas, the guy, as all our presidents do, who just shoots at problems or the guy who comes up with workable solutions?

Dan Evans

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alicewolf
Comment posted March 6, 2010 @ 6:25 am

You think you're so cool. Let's hear your ideas for America's future.
If you can come with anything that is going to take care of the derivative debt and
deal with the health care crisis and figure out a way to provide energy for the entire planet which would eliminate poverty, and provide decent living conditions for everybody, why don't you start your own Political Action Committee.
Go ahead, the ball is now in your court.
See if you can come with something more interesting and better researched and
documented than everything on the la Rouche websites, then I”ll eat my proverbialo hat.


Thesmokeking
Comment posted March 6, 2010 @ 12:43 pm

at a certain point you guys have to realize that your attempts at discrediting LaRouche only fuels the population's interest in him. And if makes you look pessimistic, which is probably the worst thing you could be right now.

Looks like you lose today, buddy.


Anonymous
Comment posted March 7, 2010 @ 9:18 am

Hi BearClaw,

I’ve been following their ‘Mars’ program recommendations for a few years, and I suggest you look up LaRouches 1988 or 1984 Presidental Campaign video “The Woman on Mars” which answers some of your questions.

In order to deal with the Earths gravity problem, we’d have to have a launching base on the moon, preferably using the perfect fuel found only there in usable quantity, helium 3. By landing on the moon and refueling there, we avoid burning all of our fuel just to get out of the Earths gravity and can have constant acceleration to Mars with 1g speeds. More work needs to be done but it is possible.


Anonymous
Comment posted March 7, 2010 @ 9:18 am

ellid,

Please read my reply to BearClaw just above your post, it answers your concerns. Thanks.


AliJoon
Comment posted March 7, 2010 @ 9:06 am

I'm sorry to sound harsh but uneducated opinions like this are one of the main reasons we as a nation are in this mess. Are you absolutely kidding me? Do you know what kind of technology is going to be discovered which can be used in the civilian sector with a space program of this kind? Do you realize what kind of purchasing power we can obtain? Look at what came out of the original space program. The entire PC industry! Microwaves. CAT scans. Remote monitoring devices. Heck, even my fav. orange drink, Tang! A space program pushes the limits of human creativity and is a catalyst for PHYSICAL economic development! The solutions we find for Mars will be also used on the Earth. Let's talk about this bud, we have a lot to go through.


AliJoon
Comment posted March 7, 2010 @ 9:12 am

That was a thorough and well thought out argument. Thank you for posting it and actually discussing their policy instead of just making ad hominem attacks. I now feel much smarter and more informed reading your post. Self declarative statements are easy for me to digest.


AliJoon
Comment posted March 7, 2010 @ 9:13 am

That was a thorough and well thought out argument. Thank you for posting it and actually discussing their policy instead of just making ad hominem attacks. I now feel much smarter and more informed reading your post. Self declarative statements are easy for me to digest.


AliJoon
Comment posted March 7, 2010 @ 9:13 am

That was a thorough and well thought out argument. Thank you for posting it and actually discussing their policy instead of just making ad hominem attacks. I now feel much smarter and more informed reading your post. Self declarative statements are easy for me to digest.


AliJoon
Comment posted March 7, 2010 @ 9:15 am

So Greg, if I may be so inclined to ask, what's the beef then? Did some Washington Post/John Train Salon smear articles makee you think you hate LaRouche but not sure why?


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Bob
Comment posted March 7, 2010 @ 8:03 pm

As a canadian, watching y'all from afar, I can't help but think of a quote which I've lived by to discern truth from systemic, COINTELOP, ponerized, propaganda…”There is a principle which is bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance– that principle is contempt prior to investigation.” If you knew anything about Larouche, you would know he is really non partisan, he runs as a democrat, but supports Abe Lincolns Republican ideals. Open your bloody eyes and look at how he is recieved around the world, you bunch of self centered, dumbed down MTV watching Real Housewives of Atlantan loosers. We cant stand you common every day americans cause your all a bunch of goats, lead to the slaughter. You guys cant even find the USA on a world map….WAKE UP!!!!


Doug
Comment posted March 7, 2010 @ 8:15 pm

All one needs to do to determine what a bunch of greedy, selfish, ignorant, brainwashed, corrupted, morally bankrupt, country the USA is, is to look at the portions you guys serve in your restaurants…… like who are you feeding with those protions? Paul Bunyan? ….. yes go wikkipedia to look that one up, unless its on CNN you guys are like duhhh? Go watch CNN, no Kesha there, I looked up fox news in texas…..ZERO articles on Kesha or the 22nd district race. I type in 'terrorist' and I get 14 pages of pure lies.


Doug
Comment posted March 7, 2010 @ 8:28 pm

I could not agree more, most people dont even know what is meant by “systemic, COINTELPRO, ponerized, propaganda.” But they sure can identify 'tabloid syle news'…….ITS NOT NEWS!!!!!!!! If journalists were legally and financially held accountable for their words, not one of those cowards would put thier names on the drivel they are told to write. All they care about is $$$$$$. LOOSERS. It takes time to remove oneself form the 'Mass Media Matrix', but once your out…. your out. Go ahead and look up all the CNN journalists who covered 9/11. Where are they today and what do they have to say? Who knows, cause they are kept very quiet. Those doing well …like Rather, are very scared and for a good reason, their kids might not get accepted into Harvard Law etc. America has fallen and it cant get up! So shameful…… so corrupt. Good luck!


bearclaw
Comment posted March 7, 2010 @ 11:02 pm

Every day that I challenge a corrupt cult such at the LaRouchies, and call it what it is, is a good day.


bearclaw
Comment posted March 7, 2010 @ 11:09 pm

I am not your “bud.”

Reread my post. I did not condemn a space program. But the fact is that we are gaining tremendous knowledge with unmanned investigation of Mars. I have yet to see anyone make a decent case for why we should attempt manned travel to Mars, let alone “habitation” of Mars. Please spend some time studying the physics of how you get that large a payload (humans, adequate food, medical supplies, communications equipment, etc.) to Mars. When I see ridiculous posts like the one below about how you can get to Mars in three days, I have to conclude that you have no understanding of science. And since you people quote no other authority than Lyndon LaRouche, who is scientifically illiterate, let's just say I'm skeptical of his “program.”


bearclaw
Comment posted March 7, 2010 @ 11:13 pm

Thank you for proving Ellid's point by spamming the board with repeated cut and paste of the same post. Your difficulty in coming up with an original thought other than pointing to the “LaRouche Program” also proves her point.


thesoothsayer
Comment posted March 8, 2010 @ 2:35 am

“Beware the ides of march”
larouchepac.com


Anonymous
Comment posted March 8, 2010 @ 3:11 pm

“Brutish Empire”????

*laughs uncontrollably*


Anonymous
Comment posted March 8, 2010 @ 3:12 pm

FDR would have peered quizzically at you, chuckled, and offered you a martini while he called the Secret Service and had you removed from the premises as a lunatic.


Anonymous
Comment posted March 8, 2010 @ 7:55 pm

For space travel, you need thrust. Helium 3 would be a fuel for a fusion reactor. A fusion reactor (in theory, since a functioning fusion reactor that can provide prolonged net energy does not yet exist) generates heat, but not thrust. In order to have thrust, the heat has to be used to expel a portion of the mass of your “rocket” (the “reaction mass”) at high speed in the opposite direction of travel (leading to forward motion, by the conservation of momentum, Newton’s Third Law of Motion). So please spend some time with the Tsiolkovsky rocket equation and let’s talk about your trip to Mars when you have a successul, land-based fusion reactor and have figured out how to scale it down and harness the heat to provide constant thrust.


ellid
Comment posted March 8, 2010 @ 3:01 pm

If you mean that Larouche is nuts, then yes.


ellid
Comment posted March 8, 2010 @ 3:02 pm

You misspelled “Wikipedia” and “COINTELPRO.”


ellid
Comment posted March 8, 2010 @ 3:02 pm

No, they only make you and your fellow acolytes look even more like brainwashed cultists than you already are.


ellid
Comment posted March 8, 2010 @ 3:03 pm

I think it speaks much to the smallness of the community and the fanaticism of this alleged leader.


ellid
Comment posted March 8, 2010 @ 3:07 pm

No one EVER denounced either Edison or Armstrong as “nuts.” Edison was a national hero for his inventions and was the inspiration for an entire genre of children's fiction, while Armstrong was all but deified for being the first man to walk on the Moon. Columbus was regarded as crazy solely because he was a terrible navigator and had a very poor track record, not because of the idea to sale west to the Indies.

A better comparison to Lyndon Larouche would be A.W. Lawson, founder of the Direct Credits movement and the Lawsonomy cult, with the sole exception that Lawson was a gentle and harmless man instead of a mean-spirited crank with a jail record.


ellid
Comment posted March 8, 2010 @ 3:08 pm

The above is proof positive that the rampant drunkenness at Dartmouth produces permanent mental damage.


ellid
Comment posted March 8, 2010 @ 3:09 pm

Better than being a grinning goon handing out birdcage liners on the streets of Boston.


ellid
Comment posted March 8, 2010 @ 3:10 pm

And this is the third cut and paste response you've made. Tell me, which of your fellow cultists was the ghost writer?


Anonymous
Comment posted March 8, 2010 @ 10:57 pm

ellid,

Please read my replty to AliJoon just above your post. It explains why the LaRouchies are scientifically illiterate and quite barking mad. Thanks.


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Faraday
Comment posted March 8, 2010 @ 7:28 pm

LaRouche makes a lot of sense. What is pessimistic is calling people who say the manned space-program should be accelerated ( not destroyed ), that credit investment in long-term public works is essential, and that Lincoln, FDR, JFK and the founding fathers should be emulated, that is not only pessimistic, but ignorant and self-destructive as well. If Lincoln were alive today, he'd probably be treated as Larouche is.


Moliere
Comment posted March 8, 2010 @ 7:33 pm

Bearclaw — the original space program was eventually to go to mars. This was stated in the future plans for the Apollo program.


Horace
Comment posted March 8, 2010 @ 7:38 pm

Are “ellid” and “bearclaw” the same person?


bearclaw
Comment posted March 8, 2010 @ 9:06 pm

What a surprise — another person posting to the TWI blog for the first time ever, just to defend convicted felon Lyndon LaRouche and compare him to Lincoln, FDR, and JFK.

And nowhere have ellid and I (the two people who have been critical of the LaRouchies) said that we should not invest as a nation in long-term public works. But I wouldn't trust Lyndon LaRouche with lunch money, let alone the public fisc of the United States of America. Same goes for his programmed followers. Why? Because you don't seem to believe in policies, you believe in Lyndon LaRouche. If he changed his “program” today, and condemned manned space flight and investment in public infrastructure, you'd all follow him in lockstep. You don't have an original thought in your heads.


bearclaw
Comment posted March 8, 2010 @ 9:25 pm

Welcome to yet another person who has posted their first-ever comment on the TWI blog. LaRouche's ability to get his followers to post comments is quite impressive. Of course, it means you are all sheep, but still an impressive herd of sheep.

We have gone to Mars. Several times. And we have gained a great deal of knowledge about Mars. And we did it with unmanned space flight, which doesn't involve humans who are fragile and can die, who need to eat food (which greatly increases mission payload), and who don't function well in extreme cold (such as the Martian winter). The Martian “rovers” are small, mobile, and incredibly cheap in comparison to attempts at manned space flight. The rover “Spirit” was originally intended to function for 90 days. It has been providing data for 6 years.

And Kesha Rogers isn't just talking about visiting Mars. She specifically talks about “inhabiting” it. That is nuts.

And one of your LaRouchies, below on this blog, mentioned using “helium 3″ as a fuel. That would be a fuel for a fusion reactor. A fusion reactor would generate lots of heat — basically a really expensive way to boil water. But please explain how you would use it to generate thrust — i.e. to expel the reaction mass necessary to propel a rocket through space.


Anonymous
Comment posted March 9, 2010 @ 2:26 am

Cult of Popular Opinion kool-aid addict.


bearclaw
Comment posted March 8, 2010 @ 9:44 pm

No. In fact we live thousands of miles apart.

But I find it fascinating what has happened here: I keep getting replies from people who are posting to TWI's blog as “guests” and for the first time ever. Gosh, you LaRouchies are a thin-skinned bunch of sheep. And what you are proving is that you certainly act like a cult. You haven't seemed to care about anything else that gets posted on TWI blog, but when there is an article critical of LaRouche and a LaRouchepac candidate, you all come out of the woodwork. In other words, policy isn't what really matters to you. Lyndon LaRouche is what matters to you.


Anonymous
Comment posted March 9, 2010 @ 3:20 am

Oh, I meant to write “Brutish Vampire”


Anonymous
Comment posted March 9, 2010 @ 3:22 am

Read “As He Saw It”, by Elliot Roosevelt, 1946.  It’s out of print, but you can get it on Amazon.  Then, maybe you will understand.


dcevans1
Comment posted March 9, 2010 @ 1:23 am

You people have such a surface view of things (all you folks denouncing La Rouche simply because the mainstream media denounces or ignores him. Read the facts, idiot, as in the book behind the cover, dummy.) Yeah, bad mouthing La Rouche because someone told you to is simple prejudice.

The fact is the Untited States is a terrorist nation way beyond any terroism ever committed by anybody from another nation–in scale of death and destruction for no defensive or strategically imperative reason–okay, minus Nazi Germany for their time, but the US has a longer record.
Viet Nam by itself out wreaks any havoc created by any except the above.

Which I name, because this is the same government who put La Rouche in jail (for trumped up reasons, while the real terroists like Ollie North and the Bushes still rant and rave freely. And La Rouche is the only one I've ever heard with good enough ideas to bring peace to the world. Real peace, not good feeling among the peace loving types, anyway, but structural reforms that allow humankind to enjoy prosperity together, instead of trying to out gun each other for the biggest piece of the pie.

Yes, there were people who called Edison and Armstrong–(I'm using Neil Armstrong to represent the moon program) and Columbus nuts. What makes you so sure, and so arrogant that there weren't?
That's the way people are,when confronted with something they don't understand.

Dan

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Anonymous
Comment posted March 9, 2010 @ 11:27 am

Real kool aid drinkers call LaRouche a cult leader. Its what all the kool kids do.


Anonymous
Comment posted March 9, 2010 @ 8:18 pm

Huh? We don’t write a thing alike – whatever gave you that idea? Are you really so convinced that Larouche is right that you can’t imagine that more than one person would denounce him?


Anonymous
Comment posted March 9, 2010 @ 8:19 pm

*HOWLS*

Y’know, I just finished reading Dracula on my brand new Nook. Thanks for the laugh!


Anonymous
Comment posted March 9, 2010 @ 8:21 pm

Why are you bothering with this helium 3 crap? Why not use the Dean Drive, or cavorite, or the inertialess method pioneered by Blackie DuQuesne?


Anonymous
Comment posted March 9, 2010 @ 8:23 pm

Your reply is suspiciously close to the evil propaganda put forth by Helmut Qadgop from Mercotan, a town in France.


Anonymous
Comment posted March 9, 2010 @ 8:25 pm

Thank you for proving my point. I was born in 1960, well before you met Mr. Beam Weapons.


ellid
Comment posted March 9, 2010 @ 8:10 pm

I still remember the zombie-like goons who used to hand out Larouche literature in Boston in the 1980s. They all acted lobotomized, and got very, very angry when one would read their literature, laugh hysterically, and toss it in the nearest trash can. Even the Hare Krishnas and the Moonies were preferable, since at least they'd give you colorful magazines and feed you a nice meal before they tried to brainwash you.


ellid
Comment posted March 9, 2010 @ 8:11 pm

Sorry, but Lyndon Larouche is not God, as much as you might wish him to be.

Also, I've never claimed to be cool. Cold in the winter, yes, but I'm so uncool it's ridiculous.


ellid
Comment posted March 9, 2010 @ 8:12 pm

No, the MANNED space program was always intended to go the Moon. It is technologically and medically not feasible to do so now, let alone forty-plus years ago.


ellid
Comment posted March 9, 2010 @ 8:14 pm

I have read about Larouche, and attempt to read his incoherent ravings. I have no desire to throw my cerebrum out the window, thank you very much.


bearclaw
Comment posted March 9, 2010 @ 9:21 pm

Yes, the Moonies had a reputation for looking for lonely people, and inviting them to dinner with all the nice people who share a house. And then it was a weekend retreat, and then they had you.

The really funny thing about the LaRouchies is their lack of self-awareness. They protest that they are not a cult, but all they can say is “look at the LaRouche Program,” as if it contains the sum total of all human wisdom. And at least 15 of them descended on this blog as “guests” who had never posted to TWI before (and may never again), to defend the honor of Lyndon LaRouche. Almost as if (gasp) someone told them to do so.

And I'm still waiting for any of them to explain the science of how helium 3 helps you get to Mars, let alone get there in 3 days.


dcevans1
Comment posted March 9, 2010 @ 9:25 pm

I just wish for once you people (as I call those on the defame La Rouche bandwagon) had an argument, instead of childish name calling, when you join the crowd of haters.

I mean, I've seen much of your sort of response–which reminds me of people in a mob–you ask them what are you shouting at, and they look at you blankly…

The fact is, the world is rather fucked up, when you consider the amount of destruction it wreaks upon itself. Therefore, anyone with a better idea than this ceaseless conflict should be heeded–at least in so far as finding the substance of his position. (and if you don't know enough vocabulary or history to understand it–or aren't objective enough to look beyond his admittedly lousy writing and discern what he has to say–like that the Israelis need to accept joint economic projects with the Palestinians, and others, instead of more US military hardware to perpetuate the conflict (a very deliberately continued conflict, it is) -then you become surely just a mob member screaming baseless hatred.

Do you have any idea what I'm talking about? I mean any idea that the world needs solutions? (and this doesn't include “better security” and richer markets for the colonial powers, which is the current direction of it.

It means harmony among nations–which is a hell of a complicated thing, which is why La Rouche is so hard to uderstand, let alone appreciate–except when one is open minded enough to put aside prejudice and look for solutions–which are also so complicated that they don't make quick sound bites that the public exclusively heeds, generally speaking.
(1 out of 10 will stop to listen, 1 out of 50 will actually listen and maybe the 100th one will do something about it)

Dan

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ellid
Comment posted March 10, 2010 @ 9:49 am

Which Larouche pamphlet have you cut and pasted in your irrelevant reply?


dcevans1
Comment posted March 10, 2010 @ 1:00 pm

'Talk about brainwashed. That's you I'm talking about.

Meaning that all I hear from you are the typical anti-La Rouche dogma spread by those
powerful types in the mainstream media.

You guys are afraid to talk ideas, or substance–for such attempts will wither like straw in the face of La Rouchian proofs of how, e.g. saving the physical economy is the only way to recover from too many years of putting ourselves into the speculative economy. (You see, I try never to merely brandish baseless smears without offering tangilble examples, which, if not immediately provable–as are many of La Rouche's predictions that have come true after the fact-are at least unassailable.

 I mean, have you said one thing of substance here? Have you cited one single specific supporting piece of evidence for your allegations? All I'm left with is what I get from my 10 year old,when I ask why, he says, “Because.”
All I get from you is smears and such with no basis.

Dan

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bearclaw
Comment posted March 10, 2010 @ 4:07 pm

I made specific substantive responses to several comments by LaRouchies. Specifically, I challenged the claim that we could travel to Mars in 3 days: when Mars and Earth are closest (36 million miles), it would require traveling at an average speed of 500,000 miles per hour, or 20 times the fastest speed achieved by Saturn V rockets. I also challenged how Helium 3 could be a fuel for space travel, because fusion reactors (if they ever can be developed to the point of producing net energy) generate heat, but not the thrust needed for space travel. You still need to expel a reaction mass in order to move. What will be that reaction mass? How will the fusion reactor help you expel it? What I find fascinating is that I got ZERO responses. Why is that? Why won't any of you have a cogent discussion of the science of attempting manned space flight to Mars?

I also noted that we have very successfully explored Mars using relatively inexpensive, lightweight and durable “rovers” which have (for the most part) exceeded expectations in their performance. I asked why we need to risk human lives, given that we can explore Mars with remote instruments. Guess what? No response.


dcevans1
Comment posted March 10, 2010 @ 7:00 pm

'Talk about brainwashed. That's you I'm talking about.

Meaning that all I hear from you are the typical anti-La Rouche dogma spread by those
powerful types in the mainstream media.

You guys are afraid to talk ideas, or substance–for such attempts will wither like straw in the face of La Rouchian proofs of how, e.g. saving the physical economy is the only way to recover from too many years of putting ourselves into the speculative economy. (You see, I try never to merely brandish baseless smears without offering tangilble examples, which, if not immediately provable–as are many of La Rouche's predictions that have come true after the fact-are at least unassailable.

 I mean, have you said one thing of substance here? Have you cited one single specific supporting piece of evidence for your allegations? All I'm left with is what I get from my 10 year old,when I ask why, he says, “Because.”
All I get from you is smears and such with no basis.

Dan

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bearclaw
Comment posted March 10, 2010 @ 10:07 pm

I made specific substantive responses to several comments by LaRouchies. Specifically, I challenged the claim that we could travel to Mars in 3 days: when Mars and Earth are closest (36 million miles), it would require traveling at an average speed of 500,000 miles per hour, or 20 times the fastest speed achieved by Saturn V rockets. I also challenged how Helium 3 could be a fuel for space travel, because fusion reactors (if they ever can be developed to the point of producing net energy) generate heat, but not the thrust needed for space travel. You still need to expel a reaction mass in order to move. What will be that reaction mass? How will the fusion reactor help you expel it? What I find fascinating is that I got ZERO responses. Why is that? Why won't any of you have a cogent discussion of the science of attempting manned space flight to Mars?

I also noted that we have very successfully explored Mars using relatively inexpensive, lightweight and durable “rovers” which have (for the most part) exceeded expectations in their performance. I asked why we need to risk human lives, given that we can explore Mars with remote instruments. Guess what? No response.


johnny green
Comment posted March 14, 2010 @ 5:20 pm

you are a retard you trust the us gov you are the problem what are your original edeas going against larouche is the brainwashed old idea idoit i hope you loose your job soon if you still have a job move to britian you unamerican ashole


johnny green
Comment posted March 14, 2010 @ 5:23 pm

they have axplained it can you read you are an idiot


johnny green
Comment posted March 14, 2010 @ 5:29 pm

if larouche deosnt win you loose the whole world looses what do you think will save us the fed the banks you need to go away your dead mentally already are you british


johnny green
Comment posted March 14, 2010 @ 5:34 pm

do you dare challenge the currupt cult called the fed or cfr or congress these are the ones destroying us fight them tuffguy do you dare i think not are you british or one of them or a brainwashed idiot stop talking your showing how stupid you are


johnny green
Comment posted March 14, 2010 @ 5:45 pm

you are the dummest person i have seen on this page boy does are stop people from thinking american shool system work are you copeing your answers out of a highschool science book keep talking its making me lauph are you a stand up comic is your name butt head


johnny green
Comment posted March 14, 2010 @ 5:49 pm

you cant read you liar you need to get out of the country go back to britian stay away from us humans cultist idiot


terryallen
Comment posted March 14, 2010 @ 5:57 pm

Kesha Rogers is well know at the grass roots level, she is active in the local Democratic party in her district. If the party hacks would give her a chance and support her she can win the seat, if they stab her in the back she may still win, because people are DISAPPOINTED in the status quo Democrat!!! She stands for everything you stand for as a progressive. Get past your idiotic blind prejudice and open your eyes!!!

All through the disastrous Bush Administration all we heard from the Democrats is “we don't have the votes” to do ANYTHING…impeach Bush, stop the war etc. etc. etc. Well what did they do when they had the votes?…NOTHING!!! I am sick of impotent Democrats and I believe everyone else is as well. We all know we were robbed blind by Wall Street with Bernanke and Paulson in collusion, we all know the Wars are unjust, Oil Company wars for control of resources and hegemony of the region. We have money for war and wall street but oh-no, we can't afford schools, teachers and hospitals!!! We all know the economy is falling apart and what Congress is doing won't FIX anything…we need a new fresh approach, a Kesha Rogers approach. I know what LaRouche stands for and what he has taught Kesha and if the American population were given an opportunity to examine the ideas without the shrill pre-condemnation, they would understand this is what we need and would accept them.

Funny thing is these ideas are nothing new, a study of FDR and JFK policy would be a good place to start. Then listen to Thom Hartman, one of the few talk show hosts thats got it!!!….let's itemize:

1 Reinstate TARIFFS, protectionism is not a dirty word, it was the great debate when our nation was founded, to protect and foster our industry here, to give our labor here good wages. There is something insane and destructive about allowing our industry to move to low wage countries to boost profits for the top 5% of our nation and destroy the 95%. “Buy American!” We all know its good for us, then bring back Tariffs.

2 High Speed rail and Maglev, if Europe and China can do it why can't we?

3 Tar and feather the people at the FEDERAL RESERVE!!! Close the doors, we don't need them, bring back a National Bank, break up the multinational banks into state and regional banks. Put them back in the business of loaning for family homes and small business.

4 Bring back “Bretton Woods” financial structure, that is stablize currency values for long term investment into infrastructure and industrialization instead of speculation on futures, swaps, currency trading, worthless paper that doesn't do anything for the country.

5 Give NASA a JFK mandate to colonize the Moon and Mars…a new Appollo project to excite and mobilize the population, give our children a future…Fusion research, let's set up daily flights to the Space Station and set up a lottery so anyone can go for free!!!! Let's look up to space and our future!!!

6 Single Payer Health Care!!! Medicare for ALL!!!!!

NOW WHAT IS SO CRAZY ABOUT THESE IDEAS????? Good Luck Kesha! Kick some ass!!!


johnny green
Comment posted March 14, 2010 @ 6:03 pm

the answers are on the larouche web site every day you cant read can you your having somebody write your questions dont you the gig is up learn to read and write and the you can partisipate are you on medication or are you really that dumb


Half_Empty
Comment posted March 14, 2010 @ 7:58 pm

More fun stuff happened in Texas yesterday. The Texas State Democratic Executive Committee voted on and passes a resolution that prevents the Kesha Rogers campaign from using state party materials like their voter database, and will not be listed as a candidate on the party website. No party officer will have to support her campaign and are even encouraged not to support the campaign.

The campaign's claim that they had the support of the people of CD 22 is laughable, and according to the article, she beat out two Democrats. Actually it was only one, Doug Blatt, the other Rev. Freddie Wieder, was a Libertarian running as a Democrat.

This was a race run in obscurity. None but a few knew any of these three, and there was a 1 to 1 correlation between what ballot position the candidate had in a given county, and how they did in that county. But most telling was who got the second most number of votes in the entire districe: the Under Vote came in second by just under 1000 votes. Doug Blatt came in behind the under vote.

Yes, we will have a LaRouchenik on the ballot come November, and yes she will have a “D” next to her name. But now at least the Texas Democratic Party has washed their hands of Kesha Rogers and her screwball ideas.


American Patriot
Comment posted March 17, 2010 @ 12:32 am

I am glad that Kesha responded to the censure attempt of these Republicans running the Democratic Party in Texas:
Texas Democratic Party Insults Voters
Go read it it is on her website and she distributing a lot in CD22. http://www.kesharogers.com/


dcevans1
Comment posted March 17, 2010 @ 6:49 pm

I'm finally getting back to you after a while, but not because of lack of interest. ('just an email thing)

However, I really can't offer a good science based counter as to why we should strive to get people on Mars. (To me, it's a red herring, not deserving of throwing out the whole La Rouche standpoint over.)

I just seem to remember folks who thought striving for the moon was foolhardy.
And I know that La Rouche's MO–if we can still use that expression–is to use science to progress mankind. The moon project, all those Appolo missions did just that, he says, by resulting in great advancements in science that have proved useful for people. (My knowledge is limited here–though I do remember velcro from a science report we saw in elementary school as coming from that. [Don't scoff at velcro, either!])

The larger point I still want to make is exemplified by this. Now we all know that many great scientific advancements were made out of military-based research–which had the immediate motive of military use. So how much better would the world be if we just used a more benign goal for advancing science, i.e., getting people on Mars?

La Rouche has the ideas to get nations to do this. But the damn imperialists of the world don't want to see that happen.
I mean, don't be naive: Africans, Asians, Mid-Easterners can get along. People naturally do this. But someone with more power makes sure they keep fighting.

If we must say this is just a hypothesis, then it is at least worthy of attention.

Dan

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Warque
Comment posted March 20, 2010 @ 5:28 am

Is an ad hominem attack and slander all that your capable of?

What specific “screwball” ideas are you referring to? Reviving the space program? Nuclear power? Mag-lev rail? Re-implementation of Glass-Stegall? The Four-Powers proposal?

Mainstream has been taken over by the corporatist, fascist, free-trade, one world order globalists.

You along with them are now being recognized as a ship of fools.

Shame on you,

Fight on Kesha!

Warren M. Quesnell
Vietnam Viet 1968-69
Bagdad Iraq 2005-2009


britishandproud
Comment posted April 1, 2010 @ 12:41 pm

La Rouche rantings about Great Britian are from certifiable imbeciles who should be committed to mental institutions!
How can America allow this rubbish to continue from these nutters?


h0llyw00d
Comment posted May 13, 2010 @ 9:43 pm

You won girl….now go get Barry!!


Kady101
Comment posted June 20, 2010 @ 8:49 am

Free speech.


Barday
Comment posted June 20, 2010 @ 7:57 pm

Idiots


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Comment posted August 30, 2010 @ 8:44 am

I am glad that Kesha responded to the censure attempt of these Republicans running the Democratic Party in Texas:


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Comment posted September 19, 2010 @ 4:42 pm

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