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There is little Americans have less respect for than a coward. The birth issue is the elephant in the room and anyone too cowardly to broach it will get nowhere with Amreican voters.

It is not an accusation to answer a liberal's question about Obama's citizenship. Conservatives should responsd with something along the line of: “I 'believe' Mr. Obama is a citizen, but I simply do not 'know.' Neither I nor the American public has enough evidence to make an intelligent decision. By withholding the evidence from the American public, Mr. Obama has increases the attention to the issue. The online documents presented by Mr. Obama are inadequate for making an intelligent decisions and I would encourage him to put the issue to rest by immediately releasing all of the pertinent documents.”

That kind of answer, especially since it is logical will surely generate chaos among liberals, but a candidate too cowardly to contend with chaos is undeserving of either a liberal or conservative vote.

Is it just me, or does every conservative spokesperson resort to playing the Alinsky!!!1! card these days?

Once again conservatives manage to show us what a joke their movement is by the voters that support them. Any group of people stupid enough to believe that an eight-months pregnant 18-year old woman from Hawaii would fly halfway around the world to give birth only to fly back a few days later with a newborn baby in tow don't deserve to have their “questions” answered…and that's before we take into account that she lived in Hawaii, attended school there, and that her friends and family were there as well.

The fact that birthers are so delusional that they believe that any woman would fly halfway around the world to give birth to her child, away from friends and family members and against the medical advice of any reasonable medical professional just shows that they don't deserve to be taken seriously.

Republicans only have themselves to blame for this. The only thing they have to do is tell their fringe, conspiracy theory-obsessed supporters that Hawaii only issues COLBs, that the COLB contains the relevant information to determine whether or not someone is a natural born citizen, that the COLB is acceptable as proof of citizenship in every state and federal court in the country, and that they should stop believing in ridiculous fairy tales because they are hurting their own movement.

Most importantly, conservatives need to tell their fringe supporters that there is no 50 year plot concocted by Obama's 18 year old mother to cover up her son's “secret kenyan birth” because she knew that he would become President in 2009. Until conservatives are willing to take their movement back from the bigoted, ignorant, anti-intellectual right-wing fringe they should stop with the fake outrage because no one's falling for it.

It is indeed a sad day for the conservative movement when even Ann Coulter and Glenn Beck ridicule and marginalize the birthers. If the few sane conservatives left want to be taken seriously then they'd better start marginalizing the birthers as well.

So are you saying that a state certified document issued by hawaii is not enough information to prove that he was born in Hawaii?

Why should i have any respect for anyone that believes that?

Steve, you are bieng too logical. the birther meme is thus: “Obama is from Africa, therefore, we are afraid of him.”

Those that buy into this can never change their ways.

An even beter question is this: Can the child of an ilegal imigrant, who is born in the United States ever grow up to be President of the U.S.?

The answer, of course, is yes, but how many conservatives will publicly admit that?

Conservatives should responsd with something along the line of: “I 'believe' Mr. Obama is a citizen, but I simply do not 'know.'

That's a complete load of BS. They ought to be straight up – either they have doubts about Obama's citizenship or they don't. If they don't, then stop catering to the birthers and tell them where they can stick their theories.

If they do have doubts about Obama's citizenship, they should be prepared to tell us exactly what those doubts are. Unfortunately, they're too chicken to do that, because even they can't articulate why a Hawaii COLB doesn't stand for the very proposition justifying its issuance in the first place. So they just insinuate they have certain “suspicions” and leave it at that. It's great politics with the hypercynical birther base, but it's sheer cowardice in terms of whether Obama actually is a citizen.

The Republican Party — and more so its supporters, particularly the religious ones — has so poisoned political discourse by the series of paranoid lies it has been presenting, and its tactics of total obstructionism that the best response for the Democrats is to force the incumbents to be accountable for tactics like this and to make them choose whether to alienate the TeaBaggers or the sane parts of their constituency.

(Yes, I still have enough faith in Democracy and the underlying sanity of the American people to believe that a substantial minority of voters for even the Gohmerts, Bachmans, Kings, Frankses and Foxxes of the 'rear-tying jacket' brand of Republican would be horrified if they avtually found out what their Representative was actually saying. And we know the TeaBaggers are ready to attack any Republican that does not live up to their own 'standards.')

Even now Democrats should be running ads in districts — especially those with Republican primaries — that would list 'Republican insanities of the Week' and demanding that the other candidates anounce whether they support or enounce them. (Give a few facts, like the successes of the Obama Administration in combatting terrorism — especially compared to the Bush record — or the number of local jobs produced by the stimulus. And there are always horror stories involving real people in the debate on health care reform.)

The cowards are the Republicans who are simultaneously trying to pander to the birthers by suggesting that they might not believe that the president is a citizen, and to the rational voters by coyly denying that they are also courting birthers.

It's a tricky game to pull off in the internet age, when a politician's every utterance can be viewed online at any time. In the old days, a politician could court one group of voters with, say, racist appeals, and talk about harmony and brotherhood to another audience with minimal fear of being confronted with his hypocrisy.( Reagan did it all the time.) If some observant reporter called him out, he could always play the “misquoted” card.
The birther thing is just a variation on the Southern Strategy.

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It is not surprising that McCain would go after Hayworth on this issue and his support of the AZ bill. By definition, Sen. McCain himself would not be eligible to be President because he was not born on US soil, he was born in Panama. Now it is a quirk in our laws that embassies are US soil no matter where they are, but no US military bases which are on leased foreign soil. Children born on these bases to American parents must have their parents submit paperwork to have them recognized as American citizens, or they become citizens of the nation on whose land they were born. Sen. McCain's parents filed the necessary paperwork to have him declared a US citizen because of his birth at a US military base in Panama. Under the various bills, and the exact wording of our Constitution, he would have been ineligible to be President as would the many children of US service personnel born in places like Germany or Iraq.

These bills are ridiculous on their face, but insidious in their intent. President Obama was born in the US and is a US citizen. This has been proven, and had to be proven before he could even run legitimately for the presidency. For anyone to think that his citizenship was not fully vetted is just plain idiocy. But for the fringe, ignorance is bliss and as long as their bigotry informs their ignorance, these kinds of things can happen in American Politics.

While I do not support Sen. McCain and never would, calling candidates out who support such legislation or such ideas is valid and is needed to expose their bigotry and ignorance. Our nation should not be ruled by those who are so stupid as to support a disproved fiction and purport that their ignorant assertions are fact. We have enough of that already in DC, and it is time to send this type of politician packing NOW!

Re: “Neither I nor the American public has enough evidence to make an intelligent decision.”

That is certainly not true. In fact, it is like saying “there isn't enough evidence to prove that the Earth is round.”

Obama has shown the official birth certificate of Hawaii. The Certification of Live Birth is now the official birth certificate, and it is the only birth certificate that Hawaii issues. Hawaii sent him the COLB in 2007, which is what it sends to everyone. It is not, and was not in 1961, possible to get a COLB or a long-form birth certificate from Hawaii that says “born in Hawaii” on it unless there was proof that the child was born in Hawaii.

Hawaiian COLBs that say “born in Hawaii” on it (as Obama's does) are accepted as proof of birth in the USA by the US State Department and the branches of the US military.

AND, in Obama's case, the facts on Obama's published birth document–that he was born in Hawaii in 1961–were confirmed twice by the two top officials of the Department of Health of Hawaii, who are members of a Republican governor's administration.

How ironic for you to make such a cowardly and idiotic statement. Chaos among liberals? Pretty pompous coming from no one.

“. . . are inadequate for making an intelligent decisions . . .”

Thanks for the laugh.

Under the various bills, and the exact wording of our Constitution, he would have been ineligible to be President as would the many children of US service personnel born in places like Germany or Iraq.

Wrong. McCain was born of US citizens, making him a US citizen by birth (i.e. a natural born citizen). There is only one other kind of US citizen: a naturalized citizen. There is no third category. McCain is natural born, and eligible to be president.

Who cares if the likes of Taranto want to blame Berfers on the left? At this point, I've juiced about as much entertainment value out of the birthtards as I'm gonna; from here on out their primary value is as ugly baggage for the crazy (and even not-so-crazy) right.
Birthers:
Let your freak flag fly—–all the way to 2012 and beyond!

“Children born on these bases to American parents must have their parents submit paperwork to have them recognized as American citizens, or they become citizens of the nation on whose land they were born”

Bullshit. My brother was born in Bermuda while my Dad was stationed there in the Navy, and his own son was born in Panama while he was stationed there in the Army and neither one had to submit paperwork of the sort which you claim.

Got a U.S. Code citation for that?

I didn't read the whole thing, but I'm going to guess that Weigel didn't tell his readers that John McCain misled about Hayworth's position. You can trust Weigel to tell you the truth about this or any other issue.

You can trust Weigel to tell you the truth about this or any other issue.

We can? Thanks for telling us!

We can also trust you to always spam comment threads with links to your batshit crazy birther site.

Correction to the above: You cannot trust Weigel to tell you the truth about this or any other issue.

Too bad for McCain
That he's lost his old mojo.
His run against Hayworth
Could well be a no-go.
Too bad for the Right
But beggars ain't choosers.
They'll soon have to pick
Between these two losers.

I hate to burst your bubble, but a natural born citizen is one born on US soil, not just of American parents. If a child is born to US citizens living abroad, either as the result of business, diplomatic posting, or military service, their parents must petition the government to have those children recognized as US citizens. Senator McCain was born of US parents serving in Panama. Had they not petitioned the US government to recognize their son as a US citizen, he would have been registered as a Panamanian citizen. It is the reverse of our laws allowing children of illegal immigrants US citizenship if they are born here. They are natural born Americans, even if their parents are not, and they are not citizens of their parents home country despite their parents' legal nationality. You can check this out with both the Pentagon and the State Department both if you do not believe me.

The fact that our military and state departments routinely grant these petitions does not change the fact that a child is not a natural born citizen as originally defined in our Constitution. We recognize them as such based on their parentage because in many instances the ability to return home to deliver the child may not be possible. It has been a long standing policy to recognize these children, but not without the necessary paperwork, and once filed and approved, these children are recognized as though they were natural born citizens. It is a gray area of citizenship, but not often addressed because of its broad acceptance.

Given the state of international jet travel in 1961 I would think such a trip would take at least four and perhaps five legs and would have been hideously expensive for anyone.

Honolulu to SF, SF to New York, NY to London, London to probably Cairo, and Cairo to Nairobi. And then back. With a half-race baby in an era six years before Loving v. Virginia was settled and miscegenation laws ruled off the books.

And all for no purpose. It is just the most bizaare case of special pleading I have ever seen.

Now the Barry Soetoro case while ultimately just as bogus at least has some surface plausibility and a realistic timeline, you have to put in a few minutes of research before you demonstrate that even if the events were true they would not invalidate Obama's Natural Born Citizen status. That is the Indonesian theory is just as wrong as the Kenya one, but it doesn't require abandoning logic and thought altogether.

I do not have the citation you request. I am relaying the information on this matter that came to light during Sen. McCain's first run for the WH as put forth by his campaign at that time, and from the personal knowledge I have gotten from members of the military and diplomatic corps who have experienced this policy first hand.

If you think your family members did not comply with this or had some other form of arrangement to declare children US citizens, then you may be in for a surprise or your relatives might be in the future. This is standard military and state department protocol from what I have been told, and if it is not complied with at some point, then these children may be in the position of having their citizenship challenged.

It is not bullshit – it is the truth, as confirmed by Sen. McCain himself and his family records. Maybe your family had better do some checking to insure that their children really are US citizens.

Sorry devon, but you are wrong. All the term “natural born citizen” means is citizenship by birthright. In other words, if you are born a U.S. citizen, then you are “natural born” no mater who your parents are. Thus children born to U.S. citizens abroad are natural born citizens. Children born to illegal aliens in the U.S. are also natural born citizens.

And we CANNOT trust you to post a single truthful story.

Wrong. EITHER of the two conditions must be met for natural born status:

Birth on US soil. The only exceptions to this rule are a) parents on a diplomat mission, or b) parents part of an invasion force during a declared war or occupation. President Obama was born in Hawaii so meets this criterion.

Birth to American citizens abroad. Senator McCain's parents were both citizens, so he qualifies under this criterion.

Wrong. EITHER of the two conditions must be met for natural born status:

Birth on US soil. The only exceptions to this rule are a) parents on a diplomat mission, or b) parents part of an invasion force during a declared war or occupation. President Obama was born in Hawaii so meets this criterion.

Birth to American citizens abroad. Senator McCain's parents were both citizens, so he qualifies under this criterion.

actually, the child would be a citizen, but not a 'natural born citizen' which is what the constitution requires for President.

McCain's problem came from him being born in a Panamanian hospital instead of on base. Which is why the hearing was held in Congress to ultimately declare him a natural born citizen. Had he been born in the base hospital, no problem.

I know you have probably read that on a thousand birther comment boards, but it's just not true. Natural born citizenship is not like getting into a restricted country club. Anyone born here is a natural born citizen, period. Parental citizenship is immaterial.

Well my experience is first hand and is based on two instances thirty years apart. I myself am a veteran as well as the child of a career Navy man and never heart a peep about this my entire life. Over those years certainly thousands of children were born to servicemen based in Japan or Germany.

http://www.uscitizenship.info/en_US/faq/citizen…
This site may clear up your confusion. Children born to U.S. citizens overseas are U.S. Citizens, the government seems to have a process that allows such children to affirm that citizenship and so presumedly get entry documents to the U.S.

Apparently the law changed for children born after Nov of 1986 so that at least one citizen parent must have been resident for some time in the U.S. meaning that if my brother had remained in Bermuda all his life and had a child after 1986 that child might not qualify. But even under the new rules John McCain was and is a citizen from birth and had no need to prove that fact.

This source will confirm that. Military service overseas is counted for U.S. residence purposes.
http://www.visalaw.com/05jan1/2jan105.html

We can compromise and call this a misunderstanding of the difference between 'being' a U.S. citizen and 'demonstrating' that fact to a government official, but neither my brother or my nephew have a thing to worry about on this score.

And that's not even the end of it. After landing in Nairobi Stanley Ann Dunham manages to resist hold off on giving birth long enough to make a trip by train (or road) to Mombasa to give birth and register her newborn, and then back to Nairobi…lather, rinse, repeat.

The whole thing is so fucking retarded that the only way to accurately describe it would be to come up with a new word for “retarded.”

http://hongkong.usconsulate.gov/acs_birth2.html

U.S. Government source affirming 'Devon fail'

I hate to burst your bubble, but a natural born citizen is one born on US soil, not just of American parents.

Wrong.

If a child is born to US citizens living abroad, either as the result of business, diplomatic posting, or military service, their parents must petition the government to have those children recognized as US citizens.

Just because the parents have to file paperwork (so do parents whose children are born in the US), doesn't mean their children aren't natural born citizens.

Senator McCain was born of US parents serving in Panama. Had they not petitioned the US government to recognize their son as a US citizen, he would have been registered as a Panamanian citizen.

Registered where? In Panama? I doubt the McCain's would have registered their child as a Panamanian citizen. In the US? How would the US know about the McCain's child, and register him as a Panamanian, if they hadn't registered their paperwork? Does not compute. By the way, all parents who give birth to children abroad need to do is register the birth with the embassy, and their children are recognized as citizens.

It is the reverse of our laws allowing children of illegal immigrants US citizenship if they are born here.

You can say it, but that doesn't make it a law. No such law exists.

They are natural born Americans, even if their parents are not, and they are not citizens of their parents home country despite their parents' legal nationality.

Yes, I know. It's in the Constitution. You know what isn't? Anything stating those born outside the US to US parents are not citizens.

You can check this out with both the Pentagon and the State Department both if you do not believe me.

Why don't you just point me to the law that states that children born to US citizens outside the US are not citizens of the US. I'll show you a ton of case law that states otherwise.

The fact that our military and state departments routinely grant these petitions does not change the fact that a child is not a natural born citizen as originally defined in our Constitution.

The Constitution does not define a “natural born citizen,” except in contrast to naturalized citizens. The definition you imagine is just that, something you imagine.

We recognize them as such based on their parentage because in many instances the ability to return home to deliver the child may not be possible.

No, we recognize them as such because their parent or parents are US citizens. Just read the damn rules and stop making them up:

A child born abroad to two U.S. citizen parents acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under section 301(c) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) provided that one of the parents had a residence in the U.S. prior to the child’s birth.

Citizenship at birth = natural born citizen.

It has been a long standing policy to recognize these children, but not without the necessary paperwork, and once filed and approved, these children are recognized as though they were natural born citizens.

No, they're recognized as natural born citizens, because that's what they are.

It is a gray area of citizenship, but not often addressed because of its broad acceptance.

Wrong. It's pretty black and white, with the laws clearly defined.

Wrong. The definition of “nautal born” means citizenship from the time of birth. If has NO conection with who your parents are. If you awere born here, even if your parents are illegal aliens, then you are a natural born citizen.

too bad, so sad.

When you add to that the fact that airlines didn't allow women in their ninth month on an airplane and the fact that the Kenyan Embassy has said there is no record of Stanley Ann Dunham Obama ever entering the country, let alone giving birth there and that the records show that Barack Obama I was in Hawaii in August 1961, you are left with why anyone would go to a country they have never been to before, without the native of that country, to give birth to a first child far away from the medical care and the supportive parents she would want with her. If that isn't a far-fetched idea, I don't know what is. Anyone trying to claim the president was born in Kenya needs to seek mental health care immediately.

When you add to that the fact that airlines didn't allow women in their ninth month on an airplane and the fact that the Kenyan Embassy has said there is no record of Stanley Ann Dunham Obama ever entering the country, let alone giving birth there and that the records show that Barack Obama I was in Hawaii in August 1961, you are left with why anyone would go to a country they have never been to before, without the native of that country, to give birth to a first child far away from the medical care and the supportive parents she would want with her. If that isn't a far-fetched idea, I don't know what is. Anyone trying to claim the president was born in Kenya needs to seek mental health care immediately.

Screw the GOP. If they hadn't run an ineligible candidate themselves we would have Obama.

http://www.theobamafile.com/_eligibility/IssueF…

Correction:

…wouldn't have Obama.

Except there is no evidence that Obama was ever adopted by his step-father, nor did he use his name other than when his stepfather registered him for school and the chances are that was for ease not legality. But either way, he was born an American citizen and parents can't remove that from a child. The child would have to do that when said child reaches age of majority. He would have had an American passport at six years of age in order to travel to Indonesia in the first place, so his citizenship has been confirmed for a very long time. You don't get an American passport without the birth certificate!

http://butterdezillion.wordpress.com/2010/01/11…

IT'S ALL HERE.

The medical care issue is a good point. She's 18 years old and she has no idea what to expect from her first pregnancy. How many women (especially first-time mothers) would actually plan to be somewhere that their doctor couldn't physically reach? And even if she knew that she was due August 4, there's no guarantee that she would've actually given birth on that day. What, was she gonna call him from the airplane in case she went into labor a few days early while flying over the Atlantic Ocean?

And another thing, if she actually did give birth in Mombasa and register his birth in there, why come back home and register the birth in Hawaii knowing that she ALREADY has a birth certificate from another country? As if she was smart enough to set in motion the elaborate series of cover-ups to allow her son to possibly become President someday, but wasn't smart enough to figure out that her son having two completely different birth certificates wouldn't be suspicious to anyone. Since she was planning for her son to become President the day he was born, she could've at least tossed the Kenyan BC, right?

And then she not only tells officials in Hawaii that her son was born in Kenya (after all, they “might have it on file,” right?), those same officials knowingly conceal the information and issue him a birth certificate that states that Obama was born in Hawaii, even though they know he wasn't born there. Not just that, but they've been keeping their lie a secret SINCE NINETEEN SIXTY FUCKING ONE.

The fact that people actually believe in this kind of garbage makes me re-think my opposition to forced sterilization.

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Through official responses to requests, Hawaii's Department of Health has indirectly confirmed that the Factcheck COLB is a forgery two different ways:

1) By confirming that Obama's birth certificate is amended – a fact which would be noted on any genuine COLB put out by the DOH for Obama; and

2) By confirming that the combination of certificate number and filing date for the Factcheck COLB is not possible, given the info on the Nordyke twins' certificates.

This and much more is documented at http://butterdezillion.wordpress.com/2010/01/11…

Wrong. All that is required is birth on American soil.

Exactly. Besides, adoption by a stepparent requires that the biological parent waive his/her parental rights in writing. There is zero evidence that Barack Obama Sr. ever even contemplated this.

Better go change that diaper because that is nothing but a huge load of crap! The State Director of Health for all of Hawaii confirmed, more than once, that she examined the original birth certificate of Barack H. Obama II, who is a natural born citizen of Honolulu, Hawaii. There was nothing “indirect” about it, it was direct and without equivocation. The State Registrar, who has even been called at home in the middle of the night by idiot birthers who can't figure out what time it is in Hawaii, has also confirmed the documents are on file and the president is as claimed, a natural born citizen. The lies you are spewing is whats squeezing out that loaded diaper. Grow up and accept facts. Barack Hussein Obama II is the legally and duly elected President of the United States, elected by a large majority of the voting age citizens who participated in our democratic process and voted on or before Election Day on that glorious day in November, 2008. The day that I believed this country was actually moving along the right direction, finally.

And his father came to visit him in Hawaii when Barack II was either 10 or 11. Had he signed away parental rights, he would not have had the right nor cause to visit his son. At that point Barack II was living in Hawaii and going to school there, having already returned from living with his mother, half-sister and step-father for the few short years he was with them.

And they really didn't allow women on planes after 7 1/2 months. They wanted a letter from the doctor and everything. Flying then was not as easy as it is now. I don't imagine a visibly pregnant woman could have made it in on an international flight. As pointed out earlier, that was not an easy flight then.

1st draft notes from a very angry serious activist organizer, cutting edge boat-rocker and all around Concerned Citizen:

I’M PUNCHING UP
WOW! How do you elected officials in Congress live with yourselves after what you ALLOWED to happen to this nation? I was asking that question from 1997 to 2008 BUT I DIDN’T EXPECT TO STILL BE ASKING SUCH QUESTIONS IN MARCH OF 2010. I thought the American PEOPLE made it perfectly CLEAR what they WANTED in the last election… Y’know, all that about CHANGE, ETHICS, RESPONSIBILITY and ACCOUNTABILITY.

I’m pretty sure I can speak for most of the Concerned Citizens of America (WHO, by the way, volunteered so much to get Obama and the Democrats ELECTED for just such a purpose) I’M NOT FEELING THE CHANGE on the vital issues of our day. If you politicHO’s think you’re going to do business as usual selling the American people out to Multi-National Corporate special interests then you must be #*~/’n INSANE!

I didn’t work so hard for Democrats so they could carry on Bush/Cheney/Paulson policy and the m’#*~/‘n PATRIOT ACT?

But it’s the Blue Dog Democrats that screwed up BIGTIME! You middle-of-the-road @$$holes gave power BACK to a damned Republican minority… You C@*/$ m*~/^#!’s ruined any hopes I still had in me for CHANGE. I CURSE YOU traitors to the worst part of hell. I hope all that talk about revolution, chopping the aristocrats up and feeding them to the homeless, IS TRUE! Cause you Blue Dogs would be the FIRST ON MY LIST! How’s that for being the wacky LEFT?

I blame the news media the most for NOT living up to their public service, 4th Estate obligations to provide responsible journalism and legitimate investigative reporting on the vital issues of our day. I DON’T CARE TO KNOW ABOUT THE LATEST CELEBRITY WORSHIP GOSSIP or sensational murder case/trial… GIVE ME SOMETHING I CAN USE TO PROBLEM SOLVE.

It’s because of you news SELL-OUTS that right-wing fanatical MORONS are STILL able to drive public policy. Does ANYONE believe that the Glenn Beck/Sarah Palin/Rush Limbaugh GROUPIES would have ANY political clout if you news media HO’s weren’t providing these extremist nutcases with undo attention?

Did you provide national coverage to Left-wing protest movements? I hardly saw a news story about the 10’s of 1000’s who gathered to protest the war in Iraq or all the waste, fraud, abuse, incompetence, scandal, corruption, reckless economics, arms dealing, war profiteering, Constitutional violations and a Corporate Crime Wave of EPIC PROPORTIONS. With a side of GOVERNMENT welfare for the rich… Did you so called fiscal conservatives do a #*~/’n thing while the scheming silver spoons privatized profits and socialized loses?

Ohhhh I know, I KNOW the Liberals did IT! If one is weal-minded enough then the Conservative Labyrinth, think tank propaganda machine BRAINWASHED you to believe EVERYTHING can be blamed on Liberals/Progressives. Ohhh, and that Global Warming is a lie… Has ANYONE ever tried to have a reasonable DEBATE with a Dittohead? You’d get more content going to the zoo and talking to the monkeys.

Did Andrea Mitchell or any of the highly paid national news anchors let the public KNOW about how Alan Greenspan was promoting FRAUD on Wall St? NO! Did you go to Florida during the 2000 presidential election to make sure ALL the votes were counted? NO! Did you COWARDS find out where all those missing BILLIONS of dollars and 175,000 weapons disappeared to in Iraq? NO! Did you provide the Tea Baggers and anti-health Care reform Conservatives with the legitimate information they needed so they wouldn’t come off looking like a bunch of holier-than-thou mental deficient’s?

Even though Republicans in Congress are now giving Americans the middle finger… these brainwashed idiots keep voting for Republican Party, silver spoon, con artists that want to turn freedom into a delicate concept and turn the USA into a Corporate owned, slave labor, Police State OR Communist China? HELL NO!

AND WHAT ABOUT THAT DISTURBING Supreme court decision giving MORE POWER TO MULTI-NATIONAL CORPORATIONS TO INFLUENCE OUR ELECTORAL PROCESS? What happen to THAT story?

You so-called ELECTED representatives of the PEOPLE and 3 branches of government better get back to working for the best interests of the American PEOPLE or there will be such an uprising of angry bold Concerned Citizens not even your law enforcement agents will be able to help you…

NOTE: (Hey ask Reginald Denny where the police were while he was getting his head crushed in on Florance and Normandy… Cops were 12 blocks away watching it on TV)

“I’M AS MAD AS HELL AND I’M NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE”

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Two comments:

1. The Hawaiian Department of Health has done nothing of the sort.

2. Stop trolling for clicks on your web site.

“This and much more is documented . . .”

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ! ! ! So it MUST be true!

What an idiot. Nothing to see here. It's just another steaming pile of irrelevant, delusional birfer crap.

Spam? No thanks, I already ate.

Keep up the good work, Berfers; It'll be fun to watch the GOP & Tea Party attempt to accomodate you and win any elections in 2010 & 2012. If, on the other hand, the teabaggers walk away from you crazies and embrace genuine populist values—-well then the the sky is the limit

Devon, prove Obama was born on US soil as the only thing that can prove that is his long form Birth Certificate which he has spent millions to hide. if you are referrring to his COLB that has been proven to be a hoax then I have a bridge for you.

Through official responses to requests, Hawaii's Department of Health has indirectly confirmed that the Factcheck COLB is a forgery two different ways

This should be rich…

1) By confirming that Obama's birth certificate is amended – a fact which would be noted on any genuine COLB put out by the DOH for Obama

Let me start by applauding you for at least admitting that a COLB issued in connection with an amended birth certificate would say “AMENDED” or something to that effect. Plenty of birthers have contended otherwise.

As for the grounds for your claim that Hawaii has “admitted” that Obama's birth certificate has been amended, that's a laugher. You have cited two arguments in support of your claim on your webpage. One is that the DoH referred to President Obama's “vital records” in the plural. Your argument presumes a use of that term which would constitute a twisting of how that term is generally used in common English. Nobody refers to their “vital record.” Whether a person has one document, or multiple documents, people refer to their “vital records.” In all my years, I've never heard it referred to otherwise. So you start your theory by manufacturing a controversy out of a strained and unconventional interpretation of a common phrase.

Second, you go along with the Orwellian claim that the OIP's statement that it concurred as a general proposition with the DoH's practice of not disclosing birth records or “any related documents” to non-interested persons somehow amounts to the admission of the existence of the “amendment” documents which were requested. So, in the birther universe, a blanket denial of access to Obama's records is confirmation of every particular record sought. How convenient.

Implicit, of course, is that FactCheck.org could have successfully altered nine high-resolution images of the COLB (or that it would have had the motivation and resources to do so). Again, you're entitled to your own cynically-inspired fantasies – it is a free country. But don't expect the rest of us to take such bizarre arguments seriously.

Having said all that, let's pretend that the COLB somehow was forged, and that the underlying document was actually amended. So what? If the underlying birth records show that Obama was not born in the United States, he can't simply amend his records to provide a birth in Oahu. I challenge you to find one law, or any practice, that indicates any amendment could result in such an outcome. And if a foreign-born person can simply amend his records to show a domestic birth, how come we don't see anybody else doing that? Wouldn't it be great to obtain U.S. citizenship with a strategic tweak to one's vital records?

2) By confirming that the combination of certificate number and filing date for the Factcheck COLB is not possible, given the info on the Nordyke twins' certificates.

But if the record of Obama's birth WASN'T filed in early August with the State of Hawaii, how can you explain TWO Obama birth announcements a week later? (The Honolulu Advertised has noted that it obtained its birth announcements from the state, and not private individuals.) Are you now asking us to believe THOSE announcements are forgeries as well? Do you think Obama had people go to each library in Hawaii and have the microfilm altered? Is there anything you're NOT willing to believe? (Other than the fact that the COLB is legit and stands for exactly what it says…)

Furthermore, the number on the birth certificate was not created at the time of birth. The State of Hawaii gave each hospital batches of pre-printed, pre-numbered certificates on a regular basis. The Nordyke twins' certificate likely originated from a different batch of certificates at the hospital than that for Obama.

Birthers, the way our courts work is that you get a competent lawyer, verifiable facts and present them to a judge, if the facts are real and not half baked lies, then, and only then, do you proceed to trial. The Birthers seem to be having a problem with their so called “facts” that I keep reading about on the internetnt. Let’s face it no one will take you seriously until you guys win a case, but until then, you will continue to appear dumb, crazy or racist, or maybe all three. Keep plucking that chicken.

“Documented” = “some stupid shit I made up.”

I agree Preston, but there has been no judges with the guts to take this case on even though the facts are overwhelmingly aginast Obama as all he has is a COLB that has been proven to be a hoax!

FactCheck.org gets its prestige from a reputation for objectivity. Why would those who run this site choose to tell so obvious a lie and so endanger the site’s reputation? The answer is in the date of the posting, August 21, 2008. It was in mid-August that questions about the Certification of Live Birth began to reach a critical mass and threaten to enter the public discourse. The mostly pro-Obama television and newspaper/magazine media had to be given an excuse and cover for their collective decision to dismiss or ignore the substantial questions about whether Obama met the qualifications for the office set forth in Article II section I of the Constitution. And those reporters and editors who were not in the tank for Obama had to be deceived. After Labor Day the swing voters would begin to pay attention to the Presidential campaign. The truth had to be killed. And with its lie about “how it examined and photographed the original birth certificate“, FactCheck.org killed it.)

In 1961 if a 17 year old American girl gave birth in a foreign country to a child whose father was not an American citizen, that child had no right to any American citizenship, let alone the “natural born” citizenship that qualifies someone for the Presidency under Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution.

In 1961, the year that Barack Obama was born, under Sec. 301 (a) of the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952, Ann Dunham could not transmit citizenship of any kind to Barack Obama.

People can debate the meaning of the term “natural-born citizen” as long as they like but this is clear: If, in 1961, 17 year old Ann Dunham gave birth to a child on foreign soil whose father was not an American citizen, then the Immigration and Nationality Act at that time denied Barack Obama any right to American citizenship of any kind. Therefore if at the time of his birth Obama was ineligible for American citizenship of any kind, then he cannot be a “natural-born citizen”. This is true even if the Immigration and Nationality Act was changed 33 years after he was born. Even if the law was retroactively changed to grant citizenship (but not “natural-born” citizenship) to some of those who had at birth been denied it. If a person is not at the time of his birth an American citizen, he cannot be a natural-born citizen. Therefore, that person is ineligible under Article II, Section1 for the Office of President of the United States.

For more interesting researched facts: http://www.westernjournalism.com/?page_id=2697

Total bullshit and debunked ad nauseam. There's also a HUGE problem with your amateur, irrelevant, erroneous, uneducated, non-authoritative, unsolicited, delusional opinion and yet birfers always seem too stupid to grasp it.

Irrelevant. Since our President was born in Hawaii in 1961, your deranged babbling is nonsensical and meaningless drivel.

More bullshit and truly paranoid, erroneous drivel.

Crap, crap, crap and more crap. Leave a courtesy shovel next time before you post meaningless, irrelevant, paranoid crap from a Whirled Nut Daily birfer blog pretending to be an authority.

Do you have a poster of Joseph Farah in a thong above your bed?

WorldNetDaily's Obama Birth Certificate Lies:
http://conwebwatch.tripod.com/stories/2009/wndb…

But whether it is called (as it was last year) a Certification or (as it is now) a Certificate of Live Birth this abbreviated document provides none of the probative information that was or wasn’t on Barack Obama’s original Certificate of Live Birth. Unlike the Certificate of Live Birth of the time when Barack Obama was born, this new Certificate of Live Birth provides no real evidence of where a child was born or indication of where such evidence might be found. It provides no information that would demonstrate to the people of the United States whether there is convincing evidence that he was actually born here or whether a relative or two (or possibly even Barack Obama himself) just made a statement to that effect to a low level bureaucrat. (As is permitted under Section 57-40 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii.)

Proven a hoax only in your severely damaged little pinhead.

The birfer court losses are at 65 now and every one was a frivolous waste of tax dollars.

You're still missing a HUGE clue but sane people are not surprised.

I'll give you a hint:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/administration/presid…

DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH

News Release

LINDA LINGLE
GOVERNOR
_________________________________________________________________________________________________________

CHIYOME LEINAALA FUKINO M.D.
DIRECTOR
Phone: (808) xxx-xxxx
Fax: (808) xxx-xxxx
_________________________________________________________________________________________________________

For Immediate Release: July 27, 2009 09-063

STATEMENT BY HEALTH DIRECTOR CHIYOME FUKINO, M.D.

“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawai?i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai‘i State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai‘i and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago.”

- Relevant, legal authority. Paranoid b.s. and rambling birfer drivel is irrelevant.

When Obama wrote a book and said he was mentored as a youth by Frank, (Frank Marshall Davis) an avowed Communist,
People said it didn’t matter.

When it was discovered that his grandparents, who were strong socialists, sent Obama’s mother to a socialist school, and introduced Frank Marshall Davis to young Obama,
People said it didn’t matter.

When people found out that he was enrolled as a Muslim child in school and his father and stepfather were both Muslims,
People said it didn’t matter.

When he wrote in another book he authored I will stand with them (Muslims) should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.
People said it didn’t matter.

When he admittedly, in his book, said he chose Marxist friends and professors in college,
People said it didn’t matter.

When he traveled to Pakistan , after college on an unknown national passport,
People said it didn’t matter.

When he sought the endorsement of the Marxist party in 1996 as he ran for the Illinois Senate,
People said it doesn’t matter.

When he sat in a Chicago Church for twenty years and listened to a preacher spew hatred for America and preach black liberation theology,
People said it didn’t matter.

When an independent Washington organization, that tracks senate voting records, gave him the distinctive title as the “most liberal senator”,
People said it didn’t matter.

When the Palestinians in Gaza , set up a fund raising telethon to raise money for his election campaign,
People said it didn’t matter.

When his voting record supported gun control,
People said it didn’t matter.

When he refused to disclose who donated money to his election campaign, as other candidates had done,
People said it didn’t matter.

When he received endorsements from people like Louis Farrakhan and Mummar Kaddafi and Hugo Chavez,
People said it didn’t matter.

When it was pointed out that he was a total, newcomer and had absolutely no experience at anything except community organizing,
People said it didn’t matter.

When he chose friends and acquaintances such as Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn who were revolutionary radicals and domestic terrorists,
People said it didn’t matter.

When his voting record in the Illinois senate and in the U.S. Senate came into question,
People said it didn’t matter.

When he refused to wear a flag, lapel pin and did so only after a public outcry,
People said it didn’t matter.

When people started treating him as a Messiah and children in schools were taught to sing his praises,
People said it didn’t matter.

When he stood with his hands over his groin area for the playing of the National Anthem and Pledge of Allegiance,
People said it didn’t matter.

When he surrounded himself in the White house with advisors who were pro gun control, pro abortion, pro homosexual marriage and wanting to curtail freedom of speech to silence the opposition
People said it didn’t matter.

When he aired his views on abortion, homosexuality and a host of other issues,
People said it didn’t matter.

When he said he favors sex education in Kindergarten, including homosexual indoctrination,
People said it didn’t matter.

When his background was either scrubbed or hidden and nothing could be found about him,
People said it didn’t matter.

When the place of his birth was called into question, and he refused to produce a birth certificate,
People said it didn’t matter.

When he had an association in Chicago with Tony Rezco, a man of questionable character, who is now in prison, and had helped Obama to a sweet deal on the purchase of his home,
People said it didn’t matter.

When it became known that George Soros, a multi-billionaire Marxist, spent a ton of money to get him elected,
People said it didn’t matter.

When he started appointing czars that were radicals, revolutionaries, and even avowed Marxist/Communists,
People said it didn’t matter.

When he stood before the nation and told us that his intentions were to “fundamentally transform this nation” into something else,
People said it didn’t matter.

When it became known that he had trained ACORN workers in Chicago and served as an attorney for ACORN,
People said it didn’t matter.

When he appointed a cabinet member and several advisors who were tax cheats and socialists,
People said it didn’t matter.

When he appointed a science czar, John Holdren, who believes in forced abortions, mass sterilizations and seizing babies from teen mothers,
People said it didn’t matter.

When he appointed Cass Sunstein as regulatory czar and he believes in “Explicit Consent”, harvesting human organs without family consent, and to allow animals to be represented in court, while banning all hunting,
People said it didn’t matter.

When he appointed Kevin Jennings, a homosexual, and organizer of a group called gay, lesbian, straight, Education network, as safe school czar and it became known that he had a history of bad advice to teenagers,
People said it didn’t matter.

When he appointed Mark Lloyd as diversity czar and he believed in curtailing free speech, taking from one and giving to another to spread the wealth and admires Hugo Chavez,
People said it didn’t matter.

When Valerie Jarrett was selected as Obama’s senior White House advisor even though she is an avowed Socialist,
People said it didn’t matter.

When Anita Dunn, White House Communications director said Mao Tse Tung was her favorite philosopher and the person she turned to most for inspiration,
People said it didn’t matter.

When he appointed Carol Browner, a well known socialist, as global warming czar, who is working on Cap and Trade,
People said it doesn’t matter.

When he appointed Van Jones, an ex-con and avowed Communist as green energy czar, who since had to resign when this was made known,
People said it didn’t matter.

When Tom Daschle, Obama’s pick for health and human services secretary could not be confirmed, because he was a tax cheat,
People said it didn’t matter.

When as president of the United States , he bowed to the King of Saudi Arabia ,
People said it didn’t matter.

When he traveled around the world criticizing America and never once talking of her greatness,
People said it didn’t matter.

When his actions concerning the middle-east seemed to support the Palestinians over Israel , our long time friend,
People said it doesn’t matter.

When he took American tax dollars to resettle thousands of Palestinians from Gaza to the United States ,
People said it doesn’t matter.

When he upset our Eastern European allies by removing plans for a missile defense system against the Russians,
People said it doesn’t matter.

When he played politics in Afghanistan by not sending troops the Field Commanders said we had to have to win,
People said it didn’t matter.

When he encouraged and engineered spending us into a debt that was so big we could not pay it off,
People said it didn’t matter.

When he took a huge spending bill under the guise of stimulus and used it to pay off organizations, unions and individuals that got him elected,
People said it didn’t matter.

When he took over insurance companies, car companies, banks, etc.,
People said it didn’t matter.

When he took away student loans from the banks and put them through the government,
People said it didn’t matter.

When he designed plans to take over the health care system and put it under government control,
People said it didn’t matter.

When he set into motion a plan to take over the control of all energy in the United States through Cap and Trade,
People said it didn’t matter.

When he finally completed his transformation of America into a Socialist State , people finally woke up……… but it was too late

when they came for bwhite and the birthtards, not only did I not care, I laughed myself silly. Then I went back to playing video games

Notice that the breadth of the talent of the idiot birfer is “copy” and “paste.”

They came for the tin foil hat brigade, and I did nothing, because I'm not batshit crazy and it's all in their heads anyway.

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It's also telling how these birfer cowards mix small dabs of truth with their perverted, fear mongering, delusional fantasies as if that somehow validates their paranoid, deranged illness. Whirled Nut Daily (the birfer's key guide to mental masturbation) is notorious for spinning complete fabrication into actual events. Most of that crap post is worthless fright wing drivel.

Unlike the Certificate of Live Birth of the time when Barack Obama was born, this new Certificate of Live Birth provides no real evidence of where a child was born

Lie number 1. It states quite clearly that he was born in Honolulu. FAIL.

It provides no information that would demonstrate to the people of the United States whether there is convincing evidence that he was actually born here

Lie number 2. It states quite clearly that he was born in Honolulu. FAIL.

or whether a relative or two (or possibly even Barack Obama himself) just made a statement to that effect to a low level bureaucrat.

Lie number 3. The birth records were transmitted from the hospital to the state. FAIL.

And when they came for bywhite55 to put him in a straight jacket, his own mother gave them a hand…….

Since a birfer is an idiot swimming in mental illness and denial here it is again:

STATEMENT BY HEALTH DIRECTOR CHIYOME FUKINO, M.D.

“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawai?i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai‘i State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai‘i and is a natural-born American citizen.”

Prove otherwise or STFU.

DON'T CLICK……….it's more birfer bullshit lies and guessing and speculation and hoping and praying and spewing and gasping……you get the idea.

Millions to hide? B.S. Prove it or STFU, lying birfer.

Here's the legal, relevant authority:
STATEMENT BY HEALTH DIRECTOR CHIYOME FUKINO, M.D.

“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawai?i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai‘i State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai‘i and is a natural-born American citizen.”

Your insane rambling is irrelevant, inconsequential and pathetic.

You are nothing more than an embarrassing, little stain on the American flag.

bwhite1955, President Barack Obama's mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, gave birth to him in Hawaii. I say this not because I will bother to educate your dumb, stupid birfer ass, but because I love how it makes you feel every time anyone tells you that PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA WAS BORN IN A HAWAII AND IS A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

bwhite1955, you made the accusation that President Barack Obama was not born in Hawaii – YOU MADE THE ACCUSATION SO YOU HAVE TO PROVE IT, DUMN ASS!!! You birfers don't get to make an accusation and then try to make the accused PROVE he didn't do what the hell ever comes out from under that tin foil hat of yours!!! Dumb ass birfers!!!!!

if you really want to boil his blood, just say this: “The President of the United States of America is black.”

They can't stand that. It's like waving a cross in front of a vampire.

oops, almost hit the wrong button, no I don't “like” that post. (I do, howver, “Hate” this new format at TWI)

Did you know that even little Julio, who was born in the back seat of a chevy in Amarillo, Texas to to undocumented Mexican workers is a natural born citizen?

“If, in 1961, 17 year old Ann Dunham gave birth to a child on foreign soil”

That's like saying, “If I had a girlfriend, I wouldn't be an adult virgin living in my mom's basement.

Congratulations! Nothing in your pointless rant did anything to support the ridiculous birther fairy tale that Obama was born in Kenya; the only thing it did was reinforce what a bunch of knuckle-dragging, tinfoil hat-wearing loons the birthers are.

Fail less, please.

“People can debate the meaning of the term “natural-born citizen” as long as they like but this is clear: If, in 1961, 17 year old Ann Dunham gave birth to a child on foreign soil whose father was not an American citizen…”

The key word in your post is “if.” Do you have any actual evidence that Obama was born in Kenya and not Hawaii?

What's that? You have NOTHING? Why am I not surprised?

So I guess that means Obama was born in Hawaii. Since Obama was born in Hawaii, your hypothetical is pointless bullshit.

Go back to WND already; everyone here has debunked those ridiculous birther arguments so much that we can do it in our sleep.

There's no point arguing with this person. He didn't put any thought into his post – he just cut and pasted from a blathering post by Mike Bruce at RedCountry.com. The real idiot is Mike Bruce, who went on to say:

“Any one of these things, in and of themselves does not really matter. But when you add them up one by one you get a phenomenal score that points to the fact that our Obama is determined to make America over into a Marxist/Socialist society.”

I love how these folks claim they have figured out that President Obama wants to create a Marxist/Socialist/Maoist/Nazi/Leninst/Trotskyist state (a proposition which itself is self-contradictory), and then suggest he may be a radical Muslim in support of that argument. (Then they get upset when we don't support Israel lockstep, which is one of the more socialist Western democracies.) These people have no clue what they're talking about. Which is why it is so amusing when they purport to “educate” us about their astounding discoveries.

This is what you get when you have a generation growing up reading Weekly World News, watching too many reruns of Red Dawn, and wearing out their Pat Boone and Lee Greenwood records.

But remember, Joseph Farah doesn't actually believe anything he writes in World Nut Daily. (By his own insistence, to claim otherwise is to defame him.) He just has no proof to show any of what he writes isn't true, which therefore makes it fit to print.

How reasonable.

The birther movement would collapse if Ctrl+C and Ctrl+V were eliminated from the keyboard.

Although you're not much of a legal scholar, you clearly have potential on the stand-up circuit. Don't forget to wear clothing which is resistant to stains from rotten tomatoes, though.

Instead of going the lazy route and citing someone else, make your own arguments. We shouldn't have to click somewhere else just to find out what your point, if any, is.

In 1961 if a 17 year old American girl gave birth in a foreign country to a child whose father was not an American citizen, that child had no right to any American citizenship, let alone the “natural born” citizenship that qualifies someone for the Presidency under Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution.

True. But not relevant here, since Obama wasn't born in a foreign country.

In 1961, the year that Barack Obama was born, under Sec. 301 (a) of the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952, Ann Dunham could not transmit citizenship of any kind to Barack Obama.

This statute only has application to persons born outside the United States and its possessions. Since President Obama was born in Hawaii, this statute is not relevant to his eligibilty to be President of the United States.

The mostly pro-Obama television and newspaper/magazine media had to be given an excuse and cover for their collective decision to dismiss or ignore the substantial questions about whether Obama met the qualifications for the office set forth in Article II section I of the Constitution.

As a business proposition, “pro-Obama” news outlets would have been better served by having a Republican president in the White House. Media outlets favoring the political opposition always fare better, because it is always easier to be critical of the government than to defend those in power.

Furthermore, the “pro-Obama” news outlets could have exposed Obama's purported “ineligibility” long before the primaries were over and swung behind Hillary Clinton. Clinton, after all, was arguably more “socialist” than Obama, since she supported the insurance mandates first proposed by the Republicans in 1993 well before Obama did.

All of this doesn't even take into account FactCheck's vested interest in credibility. After Dan Rather's fiasco with Bush's purported Vietnam documents, why would any news organization purposely put forged documents on the internet for everyone to see? FactCheck stood more to lose by posting pictures of “forged” documents than by simply begging off.

In short, even your rationale for why FactCheck would doctor photographs doesn't make any logical sense. We haven't even gotten into the question of why then-Senator Obama would have risked his campaign with “forgeries” rather than simply ignoring the birthers.

But then common sense is in short supply with the birther crowd, I'm afraid. It's been replaced by a self-proving hypercynical conspiracy-friendly paranoia.

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Screw the GOP. If they hadn’t run an ineligible candidate themselves we would have Obama.

You’re so consumed by the birther issue that you think everyone else is equally obsessed. I’ll wager money that 90 percent of the voters had no idea where McCain was born and didn’t much care.

You simply can’t face the fact that McCain got beaten fair and square.

Poor Ol' “JD” lost his marbles playing football years ago. He lost the respect of the main stream when he was involved in the scams and lost elections. Now all he has is his rag tag army of nut job loonies. Now the question for sane Arizonans like me is, should we have John I was for it before I was against it McCain again representing us in the senate or get Douche Bag JD to represent us. I don't see any democrat coming to earn my vote.

prove Obama was born on US soil

Do we have photographs of the moment Obama was born? No, we don’t. (Even if we did, someone would inevitably come out of the woodwork claiming the photographs were doctored by some shadowy conspiracy.)

Our proof therefore must be documentary in nature. Anyone who finds that inadequate will never be able to resolve their doubts.

We start with nine high-quality images of Obama’s Hawaiian COLB on the FactCheck website. Those images clearly show a document bearing a raised seal, stating that Barack Obama II was born on the island of Oahu at 7:24 p.m. on August 4, 1961. His birth is depicted as filed with the registrar on August 8, 1961. Hawaii statutes also make clear that a birth certificate filed with the registrar is effectively registered.

By law and by the very nature of the COLB, it represents information found on his underlying vital records. The Hawaii DoH has also gone on record saying it has his original birth certificate in its files. We can therefore deduce that the original birth certificate also says he was born on Oahu at 7:24 p.m. on August 4, 1961, and that his birth certificate was filed with the registrar four days later. We can deduce this because there is no known law or practice that permits a copy of an official record to state information at variance with what is on the source records. (If there were, there would be no value in having a certified copy of one’s records, and they could not stand as prima facie evidence of the facts they purport to represent in a court of law.)

Sure enough, we have TWO known examples of Obama birth announcements showing up in local newspapers just days after Obama’s birth certificate was filed. We also know that those newspaper announcements were based on state records, not the voluntary statements of private individuals.

We also know that in 1961, foreign-born persons could not acquire Hawaiian birth certificates, which means by definition that if Obama’s birth was registered at the time, the state must have viewed him as being born in Hawaii.

Perhaps that’s not enough proof to resolve the suspicions of certain people, and that’s just too bad. But let’s face it, even if they were shown a copy of Obama’s original birth certificate, they’d instantly dismiss it as a forgery anyway.

That's because judges, unlike birthers, have not only actually read the Constitution but respect it as well.

And no one has proven the COLB to be a fake, because the COLB is real. The Kenyan birf sertifikats that birthers are stupid enough to believe to be real even though one of them came from eBAY? Now those are fake.

Okay, now post some more stupid shit so the rest of us can keep laughing at you. We'll wait.

Stupid and wrong, of course. And by the way President Obama's mother was nearly 19 years old when she gave birth to him. Why can't birthers get the simplest of facts straight? Do you enjoy the shivering frisson of horror that you get thinking of the underage white girl and the scary furriner black man?

Cue scary music.

Oh didn't you hear? Dr. Fukino was paid off with ACORN money.

Shh! You can't tell anybody!

You know, there is so much wrong with what you posted here there is no way I have time to address all the wrongness. But I feel that since you obviously copied this from someone else, you need to think about some of this. So I will respond to at least a few of them.

Lets start with the student loans. They have always been guaranteed by the government. The change came in this: banks/financial institutions that managed the loans were keeping a piece of the money for themselves. So of all the money that was supposed to go to students, they were getting only some of it because it got held taken off in the middle. You know how that works right? Every time there is a middleman, it costs more for the guy on the bottom, i.e. the student. You know that is why places like Costco, Sam's Club and the like became popular? Warehouse to consumer- cut out the middle man? The government already had the people doing the work but then it flowed through the bank before it got to the bottom. This makes good sense, to change the way it is handled.

Can you explain to me how the Cap and Trade is “taking over the energy”? Do you understand how the Cap and Trade works and what it is for? Really? Can you, in your own words, put down a coherent explanation of what the Cap and Trade is designed to do?

The banks/financial organizations, car companies, and one insurance underwriting company- AIG got money. They are all required to pay the money back. The 2 car companies are outright loans with loan language. The banks have largely paid back money they got, which started before President Obama took office or got elected. How can you say he “took them over”? I have to ask, do you understand why they bailed out AIG? Again, before President Obama was president?

Afghanistan is mentioned- something about not sending in the the troops? Where have you been? He sent troops. Twice. How on earth is getting the best information before acting “playing politics”? The war in Afghanistan was neglected for so long over Iraq while Bush was in office. He completely ignored the commanders in Afghanistan and sent the majority of the troops and equipment to Iraq instead of the first war that was truly after the ones that attacked us on 9-11. Bin Laden wasn't in Iraq, he was in Afghanistan and we should have had him long ago. But the Bush administration started a second unjust war that took the attention that should have stayed in Afghanistan. This president has put the focus back where it belongs. He did send troops but he wanted to make sure we fought this war in a manner to win it. If you recall, Afghanistan was having elections. The outcome of that and the possible fraud committed during those elections had a lot to do with how we did things. He wanted to have everything lined up first before he committed more of our troops. The last thing we want is a never ending war there like the Soviets had.

The president represented ACORN for one case, about federal voting registration laws that had changed but was not being implemented by the state of Illinois. That was the case and the extent of the representation. ACORN is not an evil organization and having connections to ACORN is not a bad thing. A few people working for ACORN have made stupid mistakes, but there has been no criminal wrongdoing. The organization was started as and continues to be an organization that works for the poor and very poor. Do you know why they are vilified by the republicans? Because more poor folks vote democrat than republican. The republicans always want to cut and take away programs that help very low income. Not handouts, but programs that help them to survive. When you work your behind off at a low wage job and you still don't have enough to to pay the rent or the child care or the electric and buy groceries, some of those programs help. Child care assistance because the child care costs as much as you bring home. Housing assistance because rents go up and up and wages don't. Food stamps help to keep the kids fed. And yet the republican party is always the party that wants to make cuts. They don't want to cut the farm subsidies that millionaires and factory farms get, or people like Representative Michelle Bachmann gets at the rate of $250,000.00 a year. They don't want to stop the no bid contracts that their buddies are getting that are making them millions, they don't want to rein in the very wealthy but they want to take away from the very poor? If you were poor and registered to vote, who do you think you would vote for? That's why ACORN is always in the sights of the republicans, why they are always gunning for them. They don't want them registering people to vote that almost always vote against republicans. And ACORN does a lot of voter registration because people have a right and a duty to vote even when you are poor. It affects their lives daily. Our president saw how much was needed when he worked on the south side of Chicago before he ever went to law school. He knows how bad is was for the people that the companies left behind and I respect him for that. Perhaps if some people work on having a bit more compassion for their fellow man we would be a better country. As I said, I can't come anywhere close to addressing all the things you posted. The problem is you are regurgitating someone else's words and I have to wonder if you have really thought about all the crap you posted. So many points are just so wrong and so out of reality. I'll have to address more later. I have stuff to do.

[...] from Washington Independent; ‘Birther’ Conspiracy Roils GOP Campaigns – State Legislators, Party Strategists Keep [...]

The possibilty that Obama's birth was reported by a relative cannot be discounted. You have admitted it in the past.

How do you know that Obama's birth record was transmitted from the hospital to the DoH? Where is the proof of such scenario? The original birth certificate is still hidden from public.

It is quite possible that his birth was registered by a relative. According to government statistics, there were ten unattended births reported for non-whites in Hawaii urban areas in 1961. Was Obama one of them?

The same COLB document shows an incorrect format for a date:
http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_5.jpg

Pay attention to the difference in the date format between the DATE OF BIRTH and DATE FILED BY REGISTRAR fields.

The later one does not have a space between the comma and the year.

In your post you entered the date as “August 8, 1961″ – the actual document shows “August 8,1961″
It is an important difference because it indicates a typing job – not a computer printout from a DoH database.

The following link presents two COLBs: DeCosta and Obama. Compare the date fields.
http://www.againstobama.com/2008/07/27/barack-obamas-forged-birth-certificate-the-smoking-gun-has-been-found/

The same COLB document shows an incorrect format for a date:
http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_5.jpg

Pay attention to the difference in the date format between the DATE OF BIRTH and DATE FILED BY REGISTRAR fields.

The later one does not have a space between the comma and the year.

In your post you entered the date as “August 8, 1961″ – the actual document shows “August 8,1961″
It is an important difference because it indicates a typing job – not a computer printout from a DoH database.

The following link presents two COLBs: DeCosta and Obama. Compare the date fields.
http://www.againstobama.com/2008/07/27/barack-obamas-forged-birth-certificate-the-smoking-gun-has-been-found/

Attn.: Bwhite1955

You have it right.

None of your critics answered any of your points satisfactorily. They all use Alinsky’s method of ridiculing the opponent instead of answering in a straightforward manner. Or just use brutal name-calling.

The truth will vindicate you. Marxism will not take over the US. Keep up the good work.

Can you read Dennis? I had just gotten started on answering Betty White. I don't have time to sit here and go through each of these bogus points all at once. Had Betty actually taken the time to do more than copy and paste, she wouldn't either. However, I will get back to it as I can.

DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH

News Release

LINDA LINGLE
GOVERNOR
_________________________________________________________________________________________________________

CHIYOME LEINAALA FUKINO M.D.
DIRECTOR
Phone: (808) xxx-xxxx
Fax: (808) xxx-xxxx
_________________________________________________________________________________________________________

For Immediate Release: July 27, 2009 09-063

STATEMENT BY HEALTH DIRECTOR CHIYOME FUKINO, M.D.

“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawai?i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai‘i State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai‘i and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago.”

DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH

News Release

LINDA LINGLE
GOVERNOR
_________________________________________________________________________________________________________

CHIYOME LEINAALA FUKINO M.D.
DIRECTOR
Phone: (808) xxx-xxxx
Fax: (808) xxx-xxxx
_________________________________________________________________________________________________________

For Immediate Release: July 27, 2009 09-063

STATEMENT BY HEALTH DIRECTOR CHIYOME FUKINO, M.D.

“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawai?i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai‘i State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai‘i and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago.”

Prove it or STFU.

If you have no proof, you're a psychotic, sophist ass making baseless accusations.

I don't think you understand what that means but you've made your despicable, ulterior motives perfectly clear.

Hey pie higher, Here is the original statement before you changed it to a lie! No where in it does it claim he was born in Hawaii!!!!!!!

I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.”

Looks to me like the real tin foil, bong smoking, delusional kool aid drinkers are the ones that actully believe in a photo shopped Certificate of Live Birth. Better yet, you all should demand Obuma release the long form BC to prove me wrong! Seeing as he won't I will be taking your money for the bridge you ingrates have bought is over in Brooklyn!

[...] More States Take On Eligibility Legislation [...]

Prove it or STFU.

Paranoid idiot.

I didn't change a thing, you fscking idiot. There have been two official statements.

You're a paranoid, deranged lunatic with zero common sense. What your mental illness is barking at the end of your dog chain is irrelevant.
You're also an embarrassment to the U.S. You deserve to be mocked.

Release 10-31-08:
DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH News Release
GOVERNOR _________________________________________________________________________________________________________
CHIYOME LEINAALA FUKINO M.D. DIRECTOR Phone: (808) xxx-xxxx Fax: (808) xxx-xxxx
_________________________________________________________________________________________________________ For Immediate Release: October 31, 2008 08-93
STATEMENT BY DR. CHIYOME FUKINO
“There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate. State law (Hawai‘i Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record.
“Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.
“No state official, including Governor Linda Lingle, has ever instructed that this vital record be handled in a manner different from any other vital record in the possession of the State of Hawai‘i.”

Released 7-27-09:
LINDA LINGLE
DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH News Release
GOVERNOR _________________________________________________________________________________________________________
CHIYOME LEINAALA FUKINO M.D. DIRECTOR Phone: (808) xxx-xxxx Fax: (808) xxx-xxxx
_________________________________________________________________________________________________________ For Immediate Release: July 27, 2009 09-063
STATEMENT BY HEALTH DIRECTOR CHIYOME FUKINO, M.D.
“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawai?i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai‘i State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai‘i and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago.”

Get someone to read this to you:
” . . . verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai‘i and is a natural-born American citizen.”

Try again. You still don't get it.
” . . . verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai‘i and is a natural-born American citizen.”

Nope. You're still incompetent. Keep trying.
” . . . verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai‘i and is a natural-born American citizen.”

Release 10-31-08:
DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH News Release
GOVERNOR _________________________________________________________________
CHIYOME LEINAALA FUKINO M.D. DIRECTOR Phone: (808) xxx-xxxx Fax: (808) xxx-xxxx
_________________________________________________________________
For Immediate Release: October 31, 2008 08-93
STATEMENT BY DR. CHIYOME FUKINO
“There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate. State law (Hawai‘i Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record.
“Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.
“No state official, including Governor Linda Lingle, has ever instructed that this vital record be handled in a manner different from any other vital record in the possession of the State of Hawai‘i.”

Released 7-27-09:
LINDA LINGLE
DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH News Release
GOVERNOR _________________________________________________________________
CHIYOME LEINAALA FUKINO M.D. DIRECTOR Phone: (808) xxx-xxxx Fax: (808) xxx-xxxx
_________________________________________________________________
For Immediate Release: July 27, 2009 09-063
STATEMENT BY HEALTH DIRECTOR CHIYOME FUKINO, M.D.
“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawai?i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai‘i State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai‘i and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago.”

The burden of proof is for you, the accuser, to show credible evidence that the state of Hawaii is wrong. Your bigotry and hatred is just vile and doesn't count.

You can't prove squat because you've got nothing. Your understanding of law makes you even more of a pathetic embarrassment to the U.S.

Your deranged, erroneous b.s. is nothing more than a mad, impotent dog barking like a idiotic, paranoid lunatic at the end of your chain.

According to Hawaiin Statute, altering or forging a state certified document, as you clim is illegal. What hasn't the Attorney General charged Obama? He's a hard core Republican.

Well then you have to explain how the birth certificate number is only a few digits off from the nordyke twins, since the hospitals used pre-printed, pre-numbered forms issued to them by the state. Did the relative rport the birth to the hositial? Is that your claim?

Explain why Obama's certificate number is only a few digits off from the Nordyke twins number. The Nordyke twins BC was filled out on a pre-printed, pre-numbered form. The DOH would preprint and pre-number the forms, then hand them out in bunches to hospitals and OB/Gyns.

Obvioulsy Obama's birth certificate came from the same stack of forms as the Nordyke twins. Explain that.

To naturalizedcitizen:

So, how is Orly's hearing before the Cal Bar going?

If she is lucky, they will require her to undergo a phychiatric evaluation if she wants to keep her law license.

The bogus COLB is the biggest joke of all. Only the conspirators know where the three COLBs came from. They didn’t come from Hawaii. Beyond that, as discrepancies in the document were identified, the document evolved, like everything else about Obama’s life narrative.
Also, the “birth announcements” from two Hawaiian newspapers prove nothing. They could be real as can be, or forgeries. It doesn’t matter. There isn’t a court in the country that would accept two old newspaper clippings as evidence of anything. Those two old newspaper clippings are hearsay!!!!!!

As far as the COLBs that you kool aid drinkers have bought into, here are the facts:

Forgery #1 – The COLB posted on ‘Fight the Smears’ — No Stamp, No Seal, evidence of tampering and forgery. Debunked by Ron Polirak, Sandra Ramsey Lines, and many others.

Forgery #2 – FactCheck – Two different COLB’s one with a SEAL, however NOT an Official State of Hawaii Department of Health SEAL.

Forgery #3 – FactCheck – COLB without a SEAL, image of COLB being held up. High resolution and NO indicating of a SEAL.

So, how can there be three versions of a document that Hawaii NEVER issued?

Irrelevant to eligibility under Article II, Section 1 of the U.S. Constitution.

Relevant is the statement from the state of Hawaii, the legal authority asserting our President is a natural born citizen.

Your bigoted fantasies and hatred may be your motive but it, like you and your bullshit paranoia are irrelevant. You can't even spell your deranged sources correctly.

Our President is a legally elected, natural born citizen of the United States and there's not a damn thing you can say or do that will change reality.

It's more likely you're a deranged lunatic with way too much spare time and not nearly enough anti-psychotics. Your sophist b.s. is a pathetic attempt to undermine our democratic process and U.S. law.

“There isn’t a court in the country that would accept two old newspaper clippings as evidence of anything. Those two old newspaper clippings are hearsay!!!!!!”

You're right. Like you, it's mostly irrelevant. What is relevant is the legal authority of Hawaii confirming that our President is a natural born citizen.
However, common sense should also kick in with regards to the birth announcements submitted by the Hawaiian DOH to two competing newspapers over forty years ago except that birfer's don't possess common sense. The paranoid, derange mind of a birfer is hell bent on continuing to make asses of themselves. That's pure, political gold for the incumbent.

I know you're a special kind of stupid so I'm only explaining this to continue to illustrate the birfer's seditious stupidity and hatred bent on smearing the President regardless of the obvious absurdity of their bigoted bullshit.

Where did you get the idea that registration numbers shown on COLBs are pre-printed on forms distributed to hospitals?

Numbers are assigned at the DoH once the forms from hospitals or relatives are received.

I'm pretty sure Dennis cannot read or at least comprehend.

The same pathetic, fright wing squawking points was absolutely predictable.

I'm amazed these dittoheads can breathe with their heads so far up their radio messiah's ass.

The “certification of live birth” posted online and widely touted as “Obama's birth certificate” does not in any way prove he was born in Hawaii, since the same “short-form” document is easily obtainable for children not born in Hawaii. The true “long-form” birth certificate – which includes information such as the name of the birth hospital and attending physician – is the only document that can prove Obama was born in Hawaii, but to date he has not permitted its release for public or press scrutiny.

Obama's COLB document shows an incorrect format for a date:
http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_ce…

Pay attention to the difference in the date format between the DATE OF BIRTH and DATE FILED BY REGISTRAR fields.

The later one does not have a space between the comma and the year.
It shows “August 8,1961″ instead of “August 8, 1961″.

It is an important difference because it indicates a typing job – not a computer printout from a DoH database.

The following link presents two COLBs: DeCosta and Obama. Compare the date fields.
http://www.againstobama.com/2008/07/27/barack-o…

How do you explain that two documents (same revision number) show different date field format?

Ron Polarik identified?

http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2009/07/ron-pola…

The “certification of live birth” posted online and widely touted as “Obama's birth certificate” does not in any way prove he was born in Hawaii,

Yes it does. It states he was born in Honolulu. FAIL

since the same “short-form” document is easily obtainable for children not born in Hawaii.

Not one that says they were born in Honolulu. FAIL

The true “long-form” birth certificate – which includes information such as the name of the birth hospital and attending physician – is the only document that can prove Obama was born in Hawaii, but to date he has not permitted its release for public or press scrutiny.

It's not his to give. It's in the Hawaii state records. They don't issue long forms. They issue COLBs. The State Department would give him a passport based on his COLB. It's totally legit. FAIL

Stupid ass birther.

Her statements could have been based on a birth certificate registered by a relative. This scenario fits Obama's and the DoH behavior quite nicely. This is likely the reason why Obama does not want to show the original birth certificate to the public.

Why is it that Dr. Fukino could claim that Obama was born in Hawaii (and proclaim him to be a natural-born American citizen) yet she refused to verify that COLB was issued to Obama on June 6, 2007?

As far as the COLBs that you kool aid drinkers have bought into, here are the facts:

Facts are different than things that pop up in your fevered imagination.

We understand you want everyone to “B White,” especially the president, but you don't have to be so obvious about it.

Stupid ass birther.

Where is the source explaining the procedure for assigning numbers?

I had arguments with Obama supporters where there was a claim that numbers were assigned in the DoH office not in the hospital.

The COLB presented to the public is fake. The Date format is wrong.

Your hearsay claims are wrong. A birth announcement printed in a newspaper as a regular conducted activity is NOT hearsay and admissible as evidence.

Dear Lord please try to use your head for something other than a hat rack.

No, the birthers are the biggest jokes of all. A cheap eBay forgery is not evidence

An that even cheaper forgery with a footprint on it that even WND didn't fall for? Also not evidence.

And you're completely wrong that no court would accept two newspaper announcements as evidence, but you're brither; what HAVEN'T you been wrong about? Even if the newspaper announcements weren't admissible as evidence it wouldn't matter because the COLB, issued by the state of Hawaii, is proof that Obama was born in Honolulu.

Okay, now make up some more nonsense so that I can laugh at you.

Let me ask you this, then. If this document is a forgery as you claim, then that would be clear evidence that President Obama personally violated Hawaiian statutes, since it is specifically illegal in Hawaii to forge or alter a birth certificate.

If this is so, then why haven't the REPUBLICAN governor or the REPUBLICAN Attorney General of Hawaii charged the president with this crime?

The evidence is right there on-line for them to see.

What is your excuse for this failure by these officials?

Shorter birther: “The earth is flat, I just know it!”

The eunuch's little birfer pea brain just popped like a tiny, empty blister.
Logic, reality, common sense and facts just confuse the little idiots and make them more paranoid and angry. Nice work.

“To naturalizedcitizen:

So Orly, how is your hearing before the Cal Bar going?”

Fixed that for you.

I'm glad you brought this is up.

The answer is that it's more proof of your ulterior motive, your mental illness (probably a result of poisoned mascara), and your incessant, argumentative stupidity.

Your baseless, absolutely ridiculous assertions and your disrespect for privacy laws will hopefully land you in a comfy, metal cot in a federal prison one day.

You continue to prove that you're the perfect example of someone who doesn't deserve U.S. citizenship.

So in other words, the you believe that the Republican governor of Hawaii, along with elected and appointed officials in Kenya, Indonesia, Kansas, Illinois, and the State department, is complicit in a 48-year plot to get Barack Obama elected to the Presidency of the United States.

A plot that began in 1961 when a pregnant 18 year old in her third trimester decided to leave her friends, family, school, and entire life behind in Hawaii to take a 10,000 mile plane ride so that she could give birth in a third world country where she didn't know a soul…a plot that continued when she made the trip back home to Hawaii from Kenya with a newborn baby in tow.

Got it. Thanks for clearing that up

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ! ! ! Prove it.You have nothing. Thanks for helping the Democrats and the incumbent President win the next elections.

How about NOYFB? Are you practicing to be an identity thief?

How about NOYFB? Are you practicing to be an identity thief?

I had arguments with Obama supporters where there was a claim that numbers were assigned in the DoH office not in the hospital.

So what? I’ve had arguments with crazy conspiracy theorists who say that the moon landing is a fake. That doesn’t make it true.

Like you, irrelevant. Formats change, policies change, etc. It doesn't make it any less official. Your sophist bullshit is nothing more than the same argumentative crap you keep spewing.

We get it. You despise the President. You're a vile and pathetic loser who doesn't deserve to live here. Stop eating the mascara.

Everything you type is nothing but lying crap you make up or a copy and paste from cowardly freeper blogs.

Have you seen the defendants repsone to her DC case? It's a total smackdown.

bwhite, THAT IS ANOTHER BIRFER LIE……..LISTEN: I was born in Arkansas. I can get a birth certificate from Hawaii, BUT, here's where the birfers start with the lie……THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE WILL SAY THAT STATE OF HAWAII AT THE TOP AND IT WILL SAY I WAS BORN IN ARKANSAS!!!!! It won't say I was born in Hawaii. Dumb, ignorant, stupid ass birfer!!!!!!

The birfers are such vile, lying cowards. They are a disgusting embarrassment to the U.S. and do not deserve to live here.

YOU LIE!!!!!!!

ignorant ass naturalasshole…….COULDA, WOULDA, SHOULDA is the ENTIRE BIRFER ARGUMENT. Birfers run all over the internet talking what COULD be or what MIGHT be or what MAYBE happened………and they go on for days with that bullshit. Which is the very reason normal folks make fun of your dumb asses!!! But keep it up. As I have said before, you guys are nothing if not entertaining………

Reportedly, Orly posted the following on her web site (although I refuse to go to that trojan / malware infested site to verify it)

So my conclusion is:
Only ParentS who are themselves NATURAL BORN CITIZEN can make their own children NATURAL BORN CITIZENS

major fail.

The later one does not have a space between the comma and the year.
It shows “August 8,1961″ instead of “August 8, 1961″.

It is an important difference because it indicates a typing job – not a computer printout from a DoH database.

You're assuming that COLBs directly take their information from a database rather than have the information typed in. Where's the evidence of that?

The truth will vindicate you. Marxism will not take over the US.

Agreed. Your imaginary fears will not become reality… because they are imaginary.

Well, Orly can now claim she has reached big time. She has reached the epitome of celebrity with the likes of Bork, Buckner, and Bowlder,

“going Orly” has now officially entered the lexicon as a term for insanely incompetent lawyering.

http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2010/03/01/fighting-wo…

I liked, “Don't Taitz me, bro!”

Imagine how many smiles her Marathon Man dentistry has destroyed.

Maybe whoever typed the info into the database forgot to hit the space key. Or maybe you have too much time on your hands. Try volunteering.

I swear by my brownshirt that I won't tell anyone. By the way, you have FEMA camp duty tonight. It's egg salad again for dinner and Pictionary afterwards.

The possibilty that Obama’s birth was reported by a relative cannot be discounted. You have admitted it in the past.

Although the possibility is low, there is at least a non-zero statistical probability that could be the case.

But of course that does not change the fact that evidence of Obama’s birth will be documentary, and not based on contemporary photographs, sound recordings, physical impressions, or DNA. And you still can’t offer one bit of evidence to suggest that the vital records Hawaii has in its possession will say anything other than he was born in Hawaii.

Her statements could have been based on a birth certificate registered by a relative. This scenario fits Obama's and the DoH behavior quite nicely. This is likely the reason why Obama does not want to show the original birth certificate to the public.

What you're willing to believe is up to you.

Why is it that Dr. Fukino could claim that Obama was born in Hawaii (and proclaim him to be a natural-born American citizen) yet she refused to verify that COLB was issued to Obama on June 6, 2007?

You're like a broken record on this point.

The “certification of live birth” posted online and widely touted as “Obama's birth certificate” does not in any way prove he was born in Hawaii, since the same “short-form” document is easily obtainable for children not born in Hawaii.

What you are implicitly arguing – although you don't have the guts to come out and say it – is that a foreign-born person can be issued a COLB that says he wasn't foreign born. Without that argument, you simply have zero basis to claim that the COLB doesn't prove he wasn't born in the U.S.

Now please show me on what legal basis the DoH is permitted to issue a COLB stating that an individual was born in Hawaii if the underlying birth certificate states he was not born in Hawaii.

Until you can, your claim is illogical, and therefore worthless, to this debate.

“…is it safe??”
(cue Orly's drill)

Why would anyone need to present the newspaper clippings as evidence for anything in a court of law? You don't seem to get that POTUS does not have to prove ANYTHING to berfers or anyone else. You have fantasized some cartoon courtroom scene in which POTUS has to prove his citizenship or eligibility to Orly & the wingnut brigade. You've got the wrong country for that ass-backwards scenario, dimwit.

Hey know it all pie scum, I am far from a coward as I now have 30 years in the US Army and have been to combat three times. I also know and it is well known in the armed forces that Obama has NOT shown his BC! That makes him inelegible! Until he shows it, the military will continue to loathe him and panty wearing, koolaid drinking, bong smokers like you will continue to be ignorant and ignore the many facts! Hey pie, have you ever served your country or are you still hiding under you momas skirt. If you want to meet me come to Ft Bragg NC and I'll show you AIRBORNE!

Which language should I choose on Google Translate to figure out what in Sam Hill she's saying?

I doubt that you've been any closer to combat than playing Squad Leader in your parents' basement.

I thought military members had a code of conduct they were supposed to adhere to. Alas, I seem to be wrong, if this dishonorable liar is any guide.

Where did you get the idea that registration numbers shown on COLBs are pre-printed on forms distributed to hospitals?

Numbers are assigned at the DoH once the forms from hospitals or relatives are received.

How do you know that to be true?

Now, let’s take it a step further. By your logic, the birth certificates are given numbers when they are RECEIVED by the DoH, not when they are filled out. Yet birthers make much of the fact that Obama’s number and that of the Nordykes are slightly out of order. But if the numbers are based on receipt, not on order of birth, then why do the out-of-order numbers suggest anything out of the ordinary?

My favorite analysis comes from the always entertaining WND, which starts from the assumption that all birth certificates in a batch used by a hospital are utilized in strict numerical order by birth:

“One explanation for the out-of-order serial numbers might be that several serialized stacks of birth certificates were made available at different hospitals.

Another possibility is that Obama’s number is not a genuine registration number created in 1961 but was issued when the short-form document was generated during the 2008 presidential campaign.”

Remember, Joseph Farah says he believes President Obama was born in Hawaii, and to suggest otherwise is defamatory.

Where did you get the idea that registration numbers shown on COLBs are pre-printed on forms distributed to hospitals?

Numbers are assigned at the DoH once the forms from hospitals or relatives are received.

How do you know that to be true?

Now, let’s take it a step further. By your logic, the birth certificates are given numbers when they are RECEIVED by the DoH, not when they are filled out. Yet birthers make much of the fact that Obama’s number and that of the Nordykes are slightly out of order. But if the numbers are based on receipt, not on order of birth, then why do the out-of-order numbers suggest anything out of the ordinary?

My favorite analysis comes from the always entertaining WND, which starts from the assumption that all birth certificates in a batch used by a hospital are utilized in strict numerical order by birth:

“One explanation for the out-of-order serial numbers might be that several serialized stacks of birth certificates were made available at different hospitals.

Another possibility is that Obama’s number is not a genuine registration number created in 1961 but was issued when the short-form document was generated during the 2008 presidential campaign.”

Remember, Joseph Farah says he believes President Obama was born in Hawaii, and to suggest otherwise is defamatory.

Your mom is calling you, little boy. Time for dinner.

Wrong, Slobodan.

Wrong, Slobodan.

I will admit Orly is out here but it still does not hide the fact that no BC no eleglbility, so stop attacking her and show us the BC and not the hoax! Speaking of the COLB, you mean to tell me that you leftinst “brain surgeons” really trust a COLB that you have no idea who put it or “verified” its legitimacy. I personally would love to go to court with the mounds of evidence against Obuma versus your little photo shopped hoax of a COLB. The jury would laugh you out of the court!

I will admit Orly is out here but it still does not hide the fact that no BC no eleglbility, so stop attacking her and show us the BC and not the hoax! Speaking of the COLB, you mean to tell me that you leftinst “brain surgeons” really trust a COLB that you have no idea who put it or “verified” its legitimacy. I personally would love to go to court with the mounds of evidence against Obuma versus your little photo shopped hoax of a COLB. The jury would laugh you out of the court!

This is from Ron Polarik's web site. Ron actual investigated the COLB. He also has a PhD and an MS so unlike you guys he is educated.

Not long after the release of my final report last November, Obama's Born Conspiracy, a vicious rumor was started and bandied about the pro-Obama websites, that I'm a “fraud,” that I “don't exist,” and that this research report is “bunk.” The source of this rumor, however, is a charlatan in every sense of the word. He has never read my final report, he is totally clueless about the research I conducted, and hopelessly confused about the entire birth certificate controversy. The rumormonger has managed to use his lofty-sounding, but irrelevant. credentials to fool other people into thinking that his lies, slurs, baseless conclusions, and fabricated images have refuted my research when, in fact, they repudiate his credibility and his competence.
On June 12, I began my research on the image posted by the
Daily Kos that was purported to be Obama's Certification of Live
Birth. I did not cite my degree titles and credentials at the time because I wanted my work
to speak for itself — and it has, in spades. However, as I came to learn, there are some Internet users
who give more credence to the paper credentials of a researcher than they give to the merits of the research itself. For this reason, the online community has been burned twice by “credentialed frauds” who falsely claimed to have proven that Obama's Certification of Live Birth (COLB) was a forgery. One of these had initially taken credit for forging the COLB image (who later recanted his story), while the other was someone I revealed to be a fraud when I obtained a copy of a real 2007 COLB that did not match the “real one” that he said he had. Consequently, the ramifications of their actions were to cause people to mistrust anyone now claiming to have proven the COLB image was forged, especially if they listed themselves as an “expert.” Therefore, the last thing I wished to do was to be lumped in with those prior frauds.

Spam? No thanks I already ate.

“I will admit Orly is out here but it still does not hide the fact that no BC no eleglbility…”

This is true. Since we've all seen Obama's official, state-issued COLB, we know for a fact that he's a natural-born citizen.

See how easy that was?

There is a space between the comma and the 1 of the year on both documents. If the documents were printed out on different printers (as it appears that they were), then the kerning between the spaces would be diffierent as this value can vary from printer to printer.

She'd better hurry up and pay Judge Land's sanctions before she's Taitz'd by the State Bar of California.

Polarik is a known fraud. You failed again, birfer.

That crap you spew has been debunked ad nauseam and you're STILL ignoring the obvious truth.

Idiot.

Dr Polariks website:

http://bogusbirthcertificate.blogspot.com/

Like you, irrelevant.

You can't handle the truth, can you little birthtard?

“The jury would laugh you out of the court!”

Screaming into the mirror again, you freak?

“photo shopped”

No such verb.

More from Dr Polarik's site. I ask you know it alls to come back with facts to rupudiate this rather than your childish Obot name calling!

My final research report, “Obama's Born Conspiracy,”
is the culmination of four months (now five) of intensive empirical research
on Obama's alleged COLB image and photographs. It contains 160
pages of fully documented research and 140 images for supporting
evidence. Anyone who reads this report thoroughly will know that it was written by a genuine researcher using sound, scientific methods to explore these forgeries in depth. Frauds do not produce 160-page reports with 140 images that fully document the steps taken, that clearly explain the phenomena under investigation, and more importantly, provide sufficient information to allow other researchers to validate the findings. However, not everyone appreciates all of the hard work that I have done and some people fervently wish that this report never existed.

These are the people who still cling to the lie that Obama has shown his original birth certificate on the Internet. They are so desperate to prove me wrong that they would rather listen to fools than to facts. Predictably, the fools were coming out of the woodwork. After the release of my final report, I began hearing the rumors about who I am and what I did. I've dealt with critics before, but this one was different. This critic told a bald-faced lie that he debunked my final report when it is patently obvious that never read it. He is so totally clueless about the work I did, about the problems with the COLB images and photos, and about the entire birth certificate controversy, that I did not know whether to laugh at him or get angry. However, nobody calls me a “fraud,” a “liar,” and that I “manipulated evidence” without being confronted and challenged.
I tried convincing him to remove his slanderous comments and
baseless accusations from his website, and to quell the vicious rumor that he started, but he refused to do so. Consequently I am forced to write this response to set the record straight and to protect my reputation.

Here are some fun facts.

Barack H. Obama is the 44th President of the United States.

His story is the American story — values from the heartland, a middle-class upbringing in a strong family, hard work and education as the means of getting ahead, and the conviction that a life so blessed should be lived in service to others.

With a father from Kenya and a mother from Kansas, President Obama was born in Hawaii on August 4, 1961. He was raised with help from his grandfather, who served in Patton's army, and his grandmother, who worked her way up from the secretarial pool to middle management at a bank.

After working his way through college with the help of scholarships and student loans, President Obama moved to Chicago, where he worked with a group of churches to help rebuild communities devastated by the closure of local steel plants.

He went on to attend law school, where he became the first African—American president of the Harvard Law Review. Upon graduation, he returned to Chicago to help lead a voter registration drive, teach constitutional law at the University of Chicago, and remain active in his community.

President Obama's years of public service are based around his unwavering belief in the ability to unite people around a politics of purpose. In the Illinois State Senate, he passed the first major ethics reform in 25 years, cut taxes for working families, and expanded health care for children and their parents. As a United States Senator, he reached across the aisle to pass groundbreaking lobbying reform, lock up the world's most dangerous weapons, and bring transparency to government by putting federal spending online.

He was elected the 44th President of the United States on November 4, 2008, and sworn in on January 20, 2009. He and his wife, Michelle, are the proud parents of two daughters, Malia, 10, and Sasha, 7.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/administration/presid…

They say love is blind! So you guys must “love” Obama and his communist ties and past and his desire to redesign this country. Well his social experiments have failed and it is time for him and his teleprompters to go! I say open your eyes as you will not fit in his socialist utopia, especially after he robs you of all your money!!!!!!

What the heck is going on with the comment formats at TWI?

THis is a real pain in the buttocks.

Read Saul Alinsky’s “Rules for Radicals” and President Obama’s behavior will become crystal clear…

Funny how the peanut gallery became silent when confronted by facts. Anyone still interested on taking that COLB bet?

just a quick off topic post, Am I the only one who is having issues with this site lately?

John, technically, the electronic database IS the official vital record. The printed form is just a copy from that record.

As I stated in another post, there is no difference between the date formats as NC claims, the difference is that the two froms were printed out on different printers, thus the kerning is slightly different.

John, technically, the electronic database IS the official vital record. The printed form is just a copy from that record.

As I stated in another post, there is no difference between the date formats as NC claims, the difference is that the two froms were printed out on different printers, thus the kerning is slightly different.

Me too, auntie: this site has been weird since monday

@Bwhite1955: You are right! I found a Kenya (Obama's?) birth certificate that’s right here!

Good catch!

“After working his way through college” Not a chance unless you call Acorn and such groups as work.

In an article, entitled, “Obama ‘Birther’ Row Rears Its Head Again,” Greg Milam, identified as a “U. S correspondent” for Sky News, the British version of Fox News, has just introduced a whole new reason for Obama not presenting his birth certificate to confirm his eligibility — it was burned in a fire! — poor Barack — everything seems to happen to him.

Milam correctly claims, “The White House has consistently dismissed the issue (of Obama’s eligibility).”

Of course they did. After all, what can they say? You couldn’t get a driver’s license with the three pieces of documentation that Obama has released to establish his eligibility: his autobiography, a Hawaiian “Certification of Live Birth,” and two old newspaper clippings.

Then, Milan claims that, “Authorities in Hawaii have provided an electronic record of Obama’s birth….”

This statement is completely false. No Hawaiian authority, at any time, has ever claimed that Hawaii provided, any one of the THREE evolving copies of Obama’s Certification of Live Birth (COLB), that, over time, were posted on the Internet by Obama’s co-conspirators at the left-wing Annenberg FactCheck.com. I challenge anyone to produce a statement from any Hawaiian official confirming Milan’s assertion. It never happened.

But this statement takes the cake! “…because the paper copy was destroyed in a fire which wiped out much of the state’s archives.”

Whoaaa Nelly! Where in the world did Milam get that one? Google — Hawaii archive fire — yourself. See! Never happened — but I guess if Milan wrote that Obama’s dog ate it, no one would believe it.

You, sir, are an idiot.

It's like that conumdrum the Captain Kirk used to trick the alien computer:

Kirk: “Everything Harry Mudd says is a lie.”

Mudd: “I lie.”

Hey, Betty White, You didn't answer my post below.

If the COLB is a forgery, as you claim, then that would be clear evidence that President Obama personally violated Hawaiian statutes, since it is specifically illegal in Hawaii to forge or alter a birth certificate.

If this is so, then why haven't the REPUBLICAN governor or the REPUBLICAN Attorney General of Hawaii charged the president with this crime?

The evidence is right there on-line for them to see.

What is your excuse for this failure by these officials?

You haven't presented any facts. Only bullshit.

You should stop repeating ridiculous crap you hear on Glenn Beck's show. It instantly reveals you to be a total moron.

Tinfoil's a bit too tight. It's cutting off circulation to your brain. Oh wait, never mind.

Polarik? Proven liar and forger? That's funny stuff.

As usual, sloppy reporting does more to pump up the birther community that to resolve basic facts, just as happened with the identity of Obama's birth hospital.

The fact is, the DoH is on record as saying they have Obama's original birth certificate on file, and that his records are maintained in accordance with Hawaii law.

Regardless of the idiotic Sky News report, there's still no there there.

Your statement is highly ironic, considering that Republicans and Tea Partiers have recently embraced Alinsky far more than have Democrats.

Everybody is in on this conspiracy except for BettyWhite and Orly—-and I mean EVERYBODY!

I personally doubt that the original paper records are on file. It would have been microfilmed a few years after his birth along with everyone elses and destroyed. No agency has the ability to properly archive that many paper records.

Furthermore, while they may have the microfilm records in archive, they are no longer an OFFICIAL record. The official record is the electronic database. this is the record that is activly maintained as the offficial record. All new birth registrations since 2001 are 100% electronic. There are no paper “originals” for anyone born after 2001, just an electronic database entry.

They say love is blind! So you guys must “love” Obama and his communist ties and past and his desire to redesign this country.

Ummm, no. I have closely reviewed the facts and the law and applied basic logic in the context of normal human behavior/motivations/cost-benefit analyses, which lead me to the unambiguous conclusions that (1) Obama was born in Hawaii and (2) he is a natural born citizen eligible to be President of the United States. You don't have to agree with President Obama's policies to arrive at that conclusion.

But perhaps you have to hate President Obama to buy into the nonsense that the COLB isn't really the COLB, or that it is the COLB but doesn't stand for what it says it stands for, or that the Hawaii DoH is participating in some sort of clever, too-cute-by-a-half cover-up, or that news organizations would knowingly and gladly participate in a major fraud, or that Obama's mother both wanted to travel to Kenya while she was pregnant for unknown reasons on unknown sources of funds while desperately wanting her son to be born on U.S. soil for unknown reasons, and that Obama's mother, if she had given birth in Kenya, would have done so on the opposite side of the country from the persons with whom she was supposedly staying (where the infrastucture was undeveloped and rudimentary), or that Obama went to college in the U.S. as a foreigner on an assumed name despite the fact that he was born in the U.S. and used the name given to him at birth.

I have to admit, the sheer irrational creativity of the birther community, and its capacity for generating endless theories about Obama's (and everyone else's) supposed malfeasence is truly awesome to behold, just as it is sublimely ridiculous at that same time.

Speaking of the COLB, you mean to tell me that you… really trust a COLB that you have no idea who put it or “verified” its legitimacy.

We know how it got on the internet. The Obama campaign presented it to FactCheck. FactCheck took at least nine high-quality photographs of the document and posted them on the web.

As far as verification, we’ll have to let our personal observations carry the day. Under specific Hawaii law, we do not have a “direct and tangible” interest in Obama’s vital records, and therefore the State of Hawaii cannot disclose any information from them, including by the indirect means of verification.

But we don’t need a court to demonstrate the obvious. You can’t fake the sort of high-resolution images on the FactCheck site. The document was photographed showing the seal in raised relief, and the background design from close-up The document was photographed from a number of angles, making it much more difficult to Photoship alterations than if the document were shown right-side up in a single, low-quality image. Furthermore, all of the alterations would have to completely agree with the other photographs to avoid raising obvious questions.

If such alterations can be done, I challenge Polarik or any other doubter to take photos of another Hawaii COLB in comparable lighting and photographic quality, and fake what was allegedly faked on the FactCheck photographs. I say it cannot be successfully accomplished without being relatively obvious.

Speaking of the COLB, you mean to tell me that you… really trust a COLB that you have no idea who put it or “verified” its legitimacy.

We know how it got on the internet. The Obama campaign presented it to FactCheck. FactCheck took at least nine high-quality photographs of the document and posted them on the web.

As far as verification, we’ll have to let our personal observations carry the day. Under specific Hawaii law, we do not have a “direct and tangible” interest in Obama’s vital records, and therefore the State of Hawaii cannot disclose any information from them, including by the indirect means of verification.

But we don’t need a court to demonstrate the obvious. You can’t fake the sort of high-resolution images on the FactCheck site. The document was photographed showing the seal in raised relief, and the background design from close-up The document was photographed from a number of angles, making it much more difficult to Photoship alterations than if the document were shown right-side up in a single, low-quality image. Furthermore, all of the alterations would have to completely agree with the other photographs to avoid raising obvious questions.

If such alterations can be done, I challenge Polarik or any other doubter to take photos of another Hawaii COLB in comparable lighting and photographic quality, and fake what was allegedly faked on the FactCheck photographs. I say it cannot be successfully accomplished without being relatively obvious.

Don't you see? It's ACORN! They're behind everything, and they always have been since 1961.

You think the Illuninati runs the world? You think the Bilderberg group has any influence? You think Opus Dei is in charge? Bullshit. Everyone knows that when it comes to shadowy organizations that secretly run the world, it's all ACORN all the time.

I also know and it is well known in the armed forces that Obama has NOT shown his BC! That makes him inelegible!

If that is an actual requirement for presidential elgibility, then we have never actually had a real president during the past 221 years.

I also know and it is well known in the armed forces that Obama has NOT shown his BC! That makes him inelegible!

If that is an actual requirement for presidential elgibility, then we have never actually had a real president during the past 221 years.

It's funny the way you think that repeating lies makes them magically come true. Just like Orly!

Okay, now post something else ridiculous so we can laugh at you some more.

It's funny the way you think that repeating lies makes them magically come true. Just like Orly!

Okay, now post something else ridiculous so we can laugh at you some more.

For someone that has so much disdain for this Alinsky fellow, you sure know an awful lot about his methods. I wonder why that is?

Oh that's right: projection. I always forget that.

This is great news for the birthers! Once you factor in the testimony of convicted felon and disbarred attorney Charles Lincoln, Lucas “I sell kidneys on eBay” Smith, and two fake kenyan birf sertifikats (one of which was so shitty that even WND didn't fall for it), it's only a matter of time before we all die laughing as the birthers set themselves up for their greatest failure thus far.

The best part was when he paid off conservative Bush appointee Chief Justice John Roberts to swear him in not once, but twice. Never underestimate the thoroughness of a fifty-year old plot to install a skinny Black dude as President of the United States of America; they made sure that they've had all of their bases covered since 1961.

Michael Mukasey, Attorney General of the United States (November 9, 2007 – January 20, 2009) would have to be complicit in the cover up as well.

So that's where that mysterious “million dollars” went! He must have paid off the Bush administration!

Birfers are such complete morons.

What a pussy!

Yes.

This site seems to have gas. Or it's allergic to rampant birfer stupidity.

Silent? WTF is wrong with you?

Seriously, WTF is wrong with you? Did you eat paint chips as a kid?

You've proven NOTHING. Your drivel, like you, is irrelevant as has been explained ad nauseam. Holy crap, you're a big ol' heaping pile of stupid.

Irrelevant to eligibility for the office of U.S. President under Article II, Section 1 of the U.S. Constitution.

No really, WTF is wrong with you? Are you a mental patient with generous internet access?

Irrelevant to eligibility.

Teleprompter? Like this one, you flaming, retarded hypocrite?

When words get in the way, Bush goes phonetic
Wed Sep 26, 2007
By Matt Spetalnick

NEW YORK (Reuters) – How do you keep a leader as verbally gaffe-prone as U.S. President George W. Bush from making even more slips of the tongue?

When Bush addressed the U.N. General Assembly on Tuesday, the White House inadvertently showed exactly how — with a phonetic pronunciation guide on the teleprompter to get him past troublesome names of countries and world leaders.

The White House was left scrambling to explain after a marked-up draft of Bush's speech popped up briefly on the U.N. Web site as he delivered his remarks, giving a rare glimpse of the special guidance he gets for major addresses.

It included phonetic spellings for French President Nicolas Sarkozy (sar-KO-zee), a friend, and Zimbabwe leader Robert Mugabe (moo-GAH-bee), a target of U.S. human rights criticism.

Pronunciations were also provided for Kyrgyzstan (KEYR-geez-stan), Mauritania (moor-EH-tain-ee-a) and the Zimbabwe capital Harare (hah-RAR-ray).

White House spokeswoman Dana Perino said the draft, labelled the 20th version and complete with typos and speechwriters' cellphone numbers, had been turned over in advance to help U.N. interpreters who must simultaneously translate leaders' speeches into several languages.

Bush's text also had to be loaded onto a teleprompter to appear on screens in front of the podium as he spoke.

“There was an error made,” Perino told reporters. “I don't know how the draft of the speech that was not final was posted but it was and it was taken back.”

Bush's staff had to treat the dry drunk as a mentally challenged toddler and spell everything out phonetically just so he could muddle through a speech without further embarrassing the U.S. any more than usual.

What's an “amercian?”

Is that a special term for an idiot just for useless pieces of crap like you?

Do you wear a football helmet to keep from hurting yourself?

‘Dr. Ron Polarik,’ Exposed

By DAVID WEIGEL 7/29/09 9:49 AM

For nearly one year, a mysterious “graphics expert” who goes by the name “Dr. Ron Polarik” has claimed to have proven that the certificate of live birth provided by Barack Obama’s presidential campaign is forged. “Polarik’s” lengthy analysis, posted at his Townhall. com blog, became the basis for people like Jerome Corsi to say that Obama’s COLB is “false” or “fake.” The mysterious expert even signed an affidavit making his claims, although he declined to use his real name there; he signed it “XXXXXXXXXXXX,” making it inadmissable as evidence, but fueling “birther” conspiracies regardless.

Now, blogger Loren Collins claims to have unmasked “Polarik” and found Ronald Jay Polland, a Florida researcher and consultant.

He accuses Polland of lacking the degrees and expertise that he’s claimed—claims that have really fed these conspiracy theories.

His trade is in statistics and surveys. He has no degrees relating to computers or technology. He is not a computer expert; he has used computers. He is not a scanner expert; he has used scanners. At best, he is an amateur photography buff. He may have a doctorate, true, but it is in a field wholly unrelated to computer technology. Just see Florida State University’s program profile. Even had he signed his real name to his ‘XXXXXXXXX’ declaration, he still would not have qualified as an expert in the field in which he was attempting to provide expert testimony. Polland would never survive a Daubert challenge, and any lawyer would be foolish to attempt to pass him off as an expert on these matters.

I obtained two phone numbers for “Polland,” but got one wrong number (on the other line, a nice man who said he’d been getting other calls about this) and one line that rang 12 times without going to voicemail.

http://washingtonindependent.com/53049/dr-ron-p…

Idiotic, gullible, paranoid, deranged birfers.

Sky News could speculate that you're an escaped felon and a danger to children. Would that make it true?

More irrelevant b.s. from the mouth breather.

And Polarik is still a fraud and an unqualified liar.

And you're still an idiot.

I trust the legal authority of the state of Hawaii over a cowardly bag of crap like you who has spewed nothing but lies.

The funniest part? You've contradicted your own bullshit claims in these posts but you're far too stupid to understand how or why.

You're an embarrassment to the U.S.

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Same birfer lies debunked ad nauseam.

You ignored the fact that Obama’s COLB shows two dates with different format. How do you explain it?

Did they use two different printers for each half of the document, LOL?

I am reminded of a diatribe against Albert Einstein that circulated in Nazi Germany, where the great physicist had become an anathema. The title was One Hundred Against Einstein

Einstein pooh-poohed the smear in which 100 people testified that he was a disgrace with this remark:

“One would be enough!”

For legal purposes it is enough that Barack Obama was born to a US citizen. His maternity has never been in doubt.

Hadn't you heard? There is no Dr. Polarik. It's a fake name made up by some random scam artist with no qualifications at all.

You do know that Orly has already shown those “mounds” of evidence and she's been laughed out of several courts because everything she calls evidence is just a lot of speculation and wishful thinking, plus a fake Kenyan birth certificate.
And the COLB is not a “hoax.” The State of Hawaii has confirmed that President Obama was born in Hawaii. Simple and clear. You got nothing.

Don't taitz me bro!

If the printing of a COLB required that a human being have to retype the information it would defeat the purpose of using electronic records.

The purpose of having records in the electronic form is to enable easy sort, search and printing of the required information. Automatic printing ensures uniform formatting (including dates) – something that is missing on Obama’s COLB.

Just what do you do “Pile It Higher” accept spend you day spewing your illiterate foul BS, Insults and other assorted garbage. You accept no ideas except what comes out of your deranged mind and you filthy foul mouth. Tell us all what gives you the right to be the opinionated JackASS that you are. GIVE US YOU QULIFICATIONS AND BACKGROUND!!!! (Yes I put it in caps too get your attention, and so that you can make some more Not-Intellegent comments about that)

The Date information is not stored as a string in the database. It has a dedicated format.

In addition, input data is validated prior to storing into database. You would have to argue that DoH does not do input data validation and it stores the date as strings if you wanted to use it as a possible explanation of inconsistency in the date format shown on Obama’s (so-called) COLB document.

Anybody who has had any experience with databases will tell you that such scenario is not likely. The DoH database implementation was not done as a high school homework exercise.

Why is it you all are unable to comprehend facts. Check with Hawaii. Just don’t forget the time difference or call those poor officials at home like other birthers have done. I w i l l t y p e s l o w l y. If a child is born on foreign soil and are eligible for a US birth certificate and the parents are residents of Hawaii, they can apply for a US certificate. HOWEVER, THE STATE OF HAWAII WILL NOT CHANGE THE PLACE OF BIRTH. IF BORN IN GERMANY IT WILL SAY GERMANY, NOT HAWAII. PERIOD….. END OF STORY… THE REST IS BS. AND YES- I AM SHOUTING SO IT MIGHT GET THROUGH YOUR SKULLS.

The campaign clearly stated the following: The Certificate of Live Birth was scanned in to post it online. Not knowing if the certificate number was anything other than a number and having not heard back from Department of Health officials to find out if the number would give access to anything too personal (i.e. an identity thief) they first blocked the number. After learning the number was just the registration number, they re-posted with number intact. When factcheck.org went to the campaign office in Chicago, they examined and photographed the document the Barack Obama had received from Hawaii Department of Health. They took high resolution pictures so that no one would say the document had been “photo shopped” and posted those photos directly to the web site. They felt the paper, examined it held to the light, checked the embossed seal and made sure it was what Hawaii gives out. They confirmed that document is what Hawaii says they give out now. And by the way, the embossed seal is best viewed from the back of the paper.

What do you think about a scenario of a relative registering a birth and lying on the registration form?

In 1961, there were 10 unattended births reported in urban areas of Hawaii for non-whites. Obama could be one of them. Nothing presented so far to the public discounts this possibility.

This scenario fits Obama’s behavior. His original birth certificate is still hidden from citizens/voters.

“. . . accept spend you day spewing your illiterate . . .”

Ironic, right?

What's “YOU QULIFICATIONS”?

Another redneck, cowardly birfer and Idiot plays the bully.
You're an embarrassment to the U.S., hypocrite.

You deserve to be mocked for being such a disrespectful, moronic, pathetic loser.

“Not-Intellegent”

That's comedy gold.

The format changes could be expected between different document versions, not between documents sharing the same revision number.

Both dates on the DeCosta COLB show the space between the comma and the year. In Obama’s case only one date has this format – the other date is missing the space. The issue is not irrelevant because it indicates that the document shown by the factcheck.org is a fake.

Hey, Betty White is an American icon, and a fine human being. Don't conflate her with ignorant cowardly birthers.

You're quoting from a spoof story that was created for entertainment purposes over a year ago by Spoof.com. Birthers are so easy to fool. Did you also believe in the second fake Kenyan birth certificate and the April Fool's Day “release” of President Obama's records by Occidental College.

How did you make bail?

Just things like the woman who doesn’t know Obama but knew the doctor that delivered him, whom she had lunch with later and told her about “Stanley had a baby today” and proceeded to tell her about the young white woman who married the black student studying in Hawaii. She called her father with the news because her fathers name was Stanley too. The interview with her was published in the newspaper I believe someone just said recently on here that it was Brooklyn or something like that. I know I read the account from this lady who is now in her 60′s or 70′s. So a doctor was evidently present. Plus there was another article in a newspaper, I think a Hawaiian paper, of a woman who was in the hospital giving birth at the same time and met Stanley Ann. In 1961, a white woman giving birth to a black baby was in itself memorable.

I know there’s no hope with the habitual liars and most birfer blowers are beyond help but who knows? It might help someone else who appreciates the truth.

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As if you have experience in more than a deep fryer.

Irrelevant, speculative, argumentative and inconsequential.

And yet you have nothing. Obama is President now and he’ll win re-election easily.

Give us your qualifications???? Or have you already given us them by your left wing moronic crap that spews from your mouth from your non-brain!!!!

Embrace not. Read (something that you morons do not or do not know how to do), so we know what kind of garbage you left wing dingbats are fed by your leaders.

At least we try to protect ourselves from all the crap being thrown out by Obomby and his thugs, the Queen Pelosi, and Horsethief Harry and all the rest of the Liberal socialist marxist in Congress and the government. When the S**t hits the fan, and it will, some us will see it coming and get out of the way. As for you liberal socialist marxist commie lovers, have fun when you are covered in Obomby Dung.

A number of us common sense Conservatives on this an other lefty blogs, have tried to show these morons real facts. I am not sure if these are liberal idiots, brain washed idiots, or just idiots. No matter what you post that shows facts, they simply show their childish undisiplined side. I not sure that some of them have another side.

By the way I want to say a big thank you for serving this nation, and too all our military and veterans.

You have just recieved and honor. A link to all of your childish rants has now distributef all over the internet for everyone to see. You have now become a real Celebrity.

No you aren't alone. I have several things going on. Sometimes it won't log me in even when I click on the link from the emailed responses I get, or it gives me a tiny window to log in that you can't enlarge and now it is sending me double email responses. I get all the comments twice! And sometines the page just won't load up, it gives me some kind of 500 error. I don't know what is going on but it is turning into a pain. Hope they get the bugs out fast!

Your rant cannot change the fact that COLB images posted on factcheck.org are photographs of a fake document.

What are we to do with one person’s memories from 47 years ago about an event totally inconsequential in her life?
The story was published in BuffaloNews. It could not have been a lunch because Obama was born at 7:24 pm. It must have been a late dinner, for a good doctor to perform the delivery then rush to the dinner with a female friend of his daughter. The scenario is not very believable. The doctor was not practicing actively for a few years at that time.

The other lady you mentioned was Eleonore Nordyke – she never said that she met Obama’s mother in the hospital. She did show the long form birth certificate for her twins. That is how we know that Obama’s registration number is out of sequence (born day earlier than Nordyke twins yet having a registration number higher then the twins).

The neighbors who lived next door to the address mentioned in the newspaper birth announcement said that no black child ever lived in that house. How does this testimony play into your scenario?

It would be easy to confirm the official story if Obama could produce a long form birth certificate that would indicate Kapiolani as his birth hospital. For some reason, which is hard to understand if you believed the official story, Obama refuses to do so.

I think that the Kapiolani birth story is a lie.

It makes sense to have registration numbers assigned at the moment when the birth was registered at the DoH. That would take care of the problem of having holes in the index that would occur if you sent thousands of forms to hospitals. Some of those forms would have been lost and never returned to DoH. It is a reasonable assumption that the hospital recorded births in a chronological order. It is also reasonable to assume that the list of births sent to the DoH would be in the same order. For babies born in the same hospital, I would assume that their DoH registration numbers would reflect the chronological order when births occurred. We would not have to speculate if Obama released the original birth certificate.

How do you know that all pictures depict the same document? Because Joe Miller said so? They never showed a single complete picture of the back of the document. Why not?

In addition there is the date format inconsistency that factcheck.org did not notice in their zeal to confirm Obama’s Hawaii birth.

Images posted on the factcheck.org show a fake document.

Where is the original birth certificate? Why is Obama hiding it from US citizens/voters?

Credentials? What are you talking about? Pie QUOTED one of David Weigel's stories from last July. Shouldn't you be questioning him, or Loren Collins? Or Ronald Jay Polland, who seems to be a liar as well as flat-out incompetent?

There is nothing sadder than a closed mind.

I've been having problems as well.

*shrugs*

I doubt Pie or any other poster is as a big an Internet celebrity as Borderraven.

I have. I don't see what the fuss is about since the Bush administration did far, far worse.

Better than getting a free ride to Yale as a legacy like his predecessor.

No, you do your best to wreck the country for those of us who prefer reality to paranoid hysteria.

Please define “rupudiate.” It sounds like a folk dance performed in the mud by dwarves wearing wooden clogs.

“Real fact” is an oxymoron.

He was debunked as a fraud almost a year ago. Why are you linking to his site?

Ronald Jay Polland’s degrees are not in document analysis. Actual document examiners have shown repeatedly that he is wrong about the birth certificate. Your belief in his lies only makes you look ridiculous.

Wrong from beginning to end.

What, they let you leave the war crimes trial at the Hague?

Ah, yes! Good old NC! Where HAVE you been? Helping your buddy Radovan at the Hague? In jail? In rehab? Getting your meds adjusted? Being the 200 pound pack Borderraven trots about while he photographs underage girls?

Let’s see…

Stanley Dunham was 18 in 1961.

She gave birth in Honolulu.

You’re an idiot.

Irrelevant, since Stanley Dunham was 18, not 17, and gave birth in Honolulu.

We would not have to put up with your asinine mewlings if you’d been tried for war crimes in the Hague.

You're not qualified to question me.

You're not a bright enough bigot to comprehend what I've just told you. Your multiple personality disorder only fools yourself.

You're a moronic disgrace to the U.S.

Sheer poetry. Your nurse must be so proud. How long do you have left?

“undisiplined”?Be careful when using the idiot tag.

Prove it.

You are correct, and I applogise to the real Betty.

I guess I missed the racist intent of the handle “bWhite” (“be white”) used by the poster know elsewhere as SAM101AIRBORNE

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Argumentative, sophist crap.

So? Doesn’t change the validity of the document. Are you next going to claim that there aren’t enough indentations in the Hawaiian state seal?

As usual, wrong.

Why do you keep asking the same question even though it’s been answered at least a hundred times? The answer isn’t going to change.

I thought tonight was folk songs led by Peter Seeger via satellite link.

And when Martin Niemoller’s heirs found out that you were perverting his famous statement about the Nazis, they sued your ass off and took you for everything you owned.

Everyone laughed.

There is no point in rebutting a pathological liar.

jaii…..this kind of answer is NOT logical. President Obama has shown his birth certificate issued by the State of Hawaii. I know you don’t want to believe it is real and you are hoping that legitimate conservative politicans will join you in trying to taint that official document as somehow not really good enough, but they wont because legitmate conservative politicans want to continue to have a career. The only cowards are you birfers who don’t like that he is black. Well, President Obama is black, he is President of the United States, and unless you, YES YOU, can prove that the State of Hawaii is not telling the truth, then you are not going to get a legitimate conservative politican to sign on to your stupid birfer nonsense.

The debate is clearly above your pay grade.

Let me simplify it for you. The DoH does not employ numerous clerks to type the COLB data over and over again when people request copies of their birth certificates. The COLB document is printed automatically using database records.

The use of two different date formats on Obama’s COLB indicates a forgery. This cannot happen on an official document issued by the DoH.

I will leave it to your imagination to think why it was necessary for Obama to post a fake document on the web.

I have told you about the date inconsistency shown on the Obama’s COLB document.

It is not an official COLB document issued by the DoH.

What is your explanation for the date format anomaly shown on Obama’s COLB?

Easy does it, fella.

Thanks for that extremely helpful and learned response.

You sound like a reasonable, contemplative person. I especially admire your use of schoolyard taunts to convey your logical and well-thought-out conclusions.

How do you know that all pictures depict the same document?

So now we have a whole new conspiracy theory – that the front side may appear legit, but that FactCheck swapped it with another document for purposes of photographing the reverse.

Again, the prolific penchant of the birther mind to come up with ingenious theories to explain the obvious strikes again.

Let’s look at the evidence – with our OWN eyes. There are nine high-quality images of the COLB on the FactCheck site. They all show the document from different vantage points. To truly demonstrate that the images are not of the same paper, or that the images themselves were doctored, you’re going to have to clear a major hurdle, based on the reasonable consideration that no cover-up, no matter how thorough, is going to fully account for all things we could see on the “original” photographs.

You will need to show some discrepancy between the pictures themselves – some object or artifact which is present on one photograph, but not present on another without any plausible explanation, or present but in an orientation, size, color, shadowing or sharpness which does not coincide with the characterists evident in the other photograph.

None of the photos I have seen show any such discrepancies with any others, and no one else has pointed them out either.

As for the reverse of the COLB, note that it includes a date stamp of “JUN -6 2007.” (See photograph 7, for example.) We can also see that this stamp bleeds through to the front side from exactly the same location vis-a-vis the seal. (See photograph 2, for example.)

I appreciate your eagerness to discredit the photos of the COLB, but it’s just not happening.

“I love you, but I hate you.”

“That is not logical. We are identical.”

“That is why I love you, but I hate you.”

*bzzt*

“Fascinating.”

Illiterate? ILLITERATE??? With YOUR pathetic excuse for punctuation, grammar, and spelling?

Talk about having enough gall to be divided into three parts!

CAPS aside, you should really be careful about calling people illiterate in a posting riddled with mis-spellings, berfer.

“…your non-brain” wow! you should be writing for Coulter or Palin with that sardonic, cutting wit.
Zingers galore!

along the same lines, the graphic of Obama in 'Joker' white-face (ubiquitous among the teabaggerz) pretty much screams “Stop being black!!”

Even if you were right about all pictures showing the same document – that would not change the fact that the document itself is a fake one.

The original photographs show the date format anomaly on the front page. Until you can explain this anomaly any further debate about the document is not necessary.

And please spare us the theory that DoH employees retype the information from database when issuing a COLB.

Even if you were right about all pictures showing the same document – that would not change the fact that the document itself is a fake one.

At least you’re honing your argument.

The original photographs show the date format anomaly on the front page. Until you can explain this anomaly any further debate about the document is not necessary.

Wow, that sure is a leap in logic! We have pictures of a document bearing the normal COLB background pattern which clearly has a raised seal and a stamp by Alvin Onaka. But it’s all forged because there’s no space between the comma and the date it was filed by the registrar.

Since to you it is so clearly a document created by FactCheck, perhaps you can enlighten us with your thoeries explaining how FactCheck happened to get a hold of Alvin Onaka’s stamp. Or the means for creating the raised seal. And perhaps FactCheck just went to the Hawaii COLB store and bought a blank COLB on which to create the fraudulent document. And I’m sure that the registration number so close to the Nordyke twins was just a supremely lucky shot.

And please spare us the theory that DoH employees retype the information from database when issuing a COLB.

I have no idea exactly how a COLB is generated. And neither do you.

“Real fact?”

Like on the Orly Taitz/UN thread, where you posted a story about how the Federal Reserve and the Bank of England are both owned by the Rothschilds?

And in response I posted the actual facts:

The Bank of England is 100% owned by the government of Great Britain (it was nationalized in the 1940s), is answerable to Parliament, and all its capital is part of Her Majesty’s Treasury.

The Federal Reserve is only “private” in the sense that the stockholders in the 12 regional Federal Reserve Banks are the banks that are regulated by the Fed, which are required by federal law to invest a set percentage of their capital in that stock. The stock cannot be sold, and cannot be owned by individuals (Rothschilds, or any others). The only voting rights that come with the stock is one the Federal Open Market Committee (five of the twelve positions, with the other seven positions being occupied by members of the Fed’s Board of Governors, who are appointed by the President and confirmed by the Senate).

And of course, you had no response. You spread the classic anti-semitic smear of the International Jewish Banking Conspiracy, and when you are called on your lies, you are too busy flinging your feces around your cage to even bother responding.

I'm impressed that anyone can put “left-wing” with “Annenberg.” Walter Annenberg was U.S. Ambassador to the Court of St. James under Richard Nixon, and he was a close friend of President and Mrs. Reagan, as well as Margaret Thatcher. Reagan appointed Leonore Annenberg to the post of State Department Chief of Protocol. The Reagans spent a number of holidays at the Annenberg estate in California. Yep, Ronnie and Nancy and Walter and Leonore — just a bunch of loony lefties hanging out together, right?

And as Katahdin points out, you completely swallowed a spoof. You will believe anything, won't you?

along the same lines, the graphic of Obama in 'Joker' white-face (ubiquitous among the teabaggerz) pretty much screams “Stop being black!!”

Wrong again, you lobotomized spink. You really are getting desperate for “evidence” if this is best you can do.

Wrong again. Why don’t you go somewhere quiet and finish evolving?

What is your reason for insisting that the President was born in Kenya?

The document is not fake. You, however, are a liar, a fraud, and a disgrace.

Especially since there *were* no birth certificates in the early Republic. For all we know, John Tyler could have been born in Upper Slobbovia and brought as an infant to the United States….

I'm impressed that anyone can put “left-wing” with “Annenberg.” Walter Annenberg was U.S. Ambassador to the Court of St. James under Richard Nixon, and he was a close friend of President and Mrs. Reagan, as well as Margaret Thatcher. Reagan appointed Leonore Annenberg to the post of State Department Chief of Protocol. The Reagans spent a number of holidays at the Annenberg estate in California. Yep, Ronnie and Nancy and Walter and Leonore — just a bunch of loony lefties hanging out together, right?

And as Katahdin points out, you completely swallowed a spoof. You will believe anything, won't you?

The Annenbergs were about as Republican as it gets, short of the lunatic fringe.

I don’t know who created the document – it is irrelevant. The error on the front page indicates that it was not issued by the DoH.

That is why Dr. Fukino cannot confirm that DoH issued COLB to Obama on June 6, 2007.

I don’t know who created the document – it is irrelevant. The error on the front page indicates that it was not issued by the DoH.

That is why Dr. Fukino cannot confirm that DoH issued COLB to Obama on June 6, 2007.

I don’t know who created the document – it is irrelevant.

That’s a pretty remarkable statement, considering that who created the document is entirely what is at issue. If the DoH created it, then there’s simply no basis for controversy. If someone else created it, then it’s scandalous at minimum.

The error on the front page indicates that it was not issued by the DoH.

You don’t even know how the COLB is produced, and yet you can confidently say that the DoH couldn’t have produced this document because you see documents that have a space between the comma and year.

Not only have you not offered any evidence to support your theory, you dismiss any effort to explain the alternate – and incredible – theory that you appear to support. Where the the paper come from? Where did the seal come from? Where did the stamp come from? Where did the registration number come from? How does the font and typeface exactly correspond with all the other COLBs?

I’m sure it must be comforting to have “conclusions” which require no explanatory support on your part. But from my standpoint, it is nothing but a lazy evasion.

That is why Dr. Fukino cannot confirm that DoH issued COLB to Obama on June 6, 2007.

Considering that you have been fully appraised on Hawaii law as it regards disclosure of information from vital records to non-interested persons, you know better than to make such a silly claim.

I don’t know who created the document – it is irrelevant.

That’s a pretty remarkable statement, considering that who created the document is entirely what is at issue. If the DoH created it, then there’s simply no basis for controversy. If someone else created it, then it’s scandalous at minimum.

The error on the front page indicates that it was not issued by the DoH.

You don’t even know how the COLB is produced, and yet you can confidently say that the DoH couldn’t have produced this document because you see documents that have a space between the comma and year.

Not only have you not offered any evidence to support your theory, you dismiss any effort to explain the alternate – and incredible – theory that you appear to support. Where the the paper come from? Where did the seal come from? Where did the stamp come from? Where did the registration number come from? How does the font and typeface exactly correspond with all the other COLBs?

I’m sure it must be comforting to have “conclusions” which require no explanatory support on your part. But from my standpoint, it is nothing but a lazy evasion.

That is why Dr. Fukino cannot confirm that DoH issued COLB to Obama on June 6, 2007.

Considering that you have been fully appraised on Hawaii law as it regards disclosure of information from vital records to non-interested persons, you know better than to make such a silly claim.

You're a fine one to talk about correct English, you brainless wood louse.

This NC we’re talking about. Of course this charming individual knows better, but s/he/it is so blinded by hatred that it doesn’t matter.

This NC we’re talking about. Of course this charming individual knows better, but s/he/it is so blinded by hatred that it doesn’t matter.

Well he IS a birther. They've never been the sharpest knives in the drawer.

Back of the napkin calculation:
According to Wikipedia, there are about 1.3M residents in Hawaii. Let’s round that to a 1.2M of people born in Hawaii and currently alive I assumed that the difference between the number of residents who were born outside Hawaii versus people born in Hawaii living elsewhere is 100,000 (net immigration to Hawaii).

Let’s also asume that:
1. Each individual needs the birth certificate only twice in their lifetime
2. Each individual lives 80 years.
3. There are 250 work days in a year (50 weeks x 5 )

1.2M x 2 = 2.4M / 80 = 30,000 COLBs per year / 250 = 120 COLBs per day / 8 hours = 15 COLBs per hour

According to this conservative calculation the DoH must create one COLB every 4 minutes. What is the likelihood of having a person(s) query a database and then TYPE the information into a COLB document form?

The automation of the process not only saves time but eliminates the possibility of introducing errors by retyping already stored information.

You cannot explain the Obama COLB date anomaly without relying on the assumption that the DoH retypes the COLB manually. Ask yourself how likely is that scenario?

Back of the napkin calculation:
According to Wikipedia, there are about 1.3M residents in Hawaii. Let’s round that to a 1.2M of people born in Hawaii and currently alive I assumed that the difference between the number of residents who were born outside Hawaii versus people born in Hawaii living elsewhere is 100,000 (net immigration to Hawaii).

Let’s also asume that:
1. Each individual needs the birth certificate only twice in their lifetime
2. Each individual lives 80 years.
3. There are 250 work days in a year (50 weeks x 5 )

1.2M x 2 = 2.4M / 80 = 30,000 COLBs per year / 250 = 120 COLBs per day / 8 hours = 15 COLBs per hour

According to this conservative calculation the DoH must create one COLB every 4 minutes. What is the likelihood of having a person(s) query a database and then TYPE the information into a COLB document form?

The automation of the process not only saves time but eliminates the possibility of introducing errors by retyping already stored information.

You cannot explain the Obama COLB date anomaly without relying on the assumption that the DoH retypes the COLB manually. Ask yourself how likely is that scenario?

You can make all sorts of assumptions and calculations about what must go into producing the printed COLB that we see, but the fact is you really don’t know. And neither do I. We don’t know how the information was transferred from the original certificate to a database (if at all), how the information is recalled from such a database, and how it is formatted for printing.

However, what seems clear is that your assumption that the DoH, for some technical or other reason, simply cannot produce a COLB that lacks a space between the comma and the year is not correct.

President Obama’s COLB is not the only known COLB issued in 2007 with this exact same phenomenon. In his “final report,” Polarik stated: “Then, the unthinkable happened when I received a genuine 2007 COLB issued less than three months before Obama’s COLB was allegedly issued to him or to one of his family members. It was a deal-breaker!” He went on to say, with zero qualification, that this “was a genuine 2007 COLB.”

Sure enough, it also said “Dated Filed By Registrar” and lacked a space between the comma and the year.

See Polarik’s report here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2136816/posts

See the image of the 2007 COLB that Polarik was sure was “real” here:

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn227/Polarik/File0016-small.jpg

Now, either Polarik was punked by a supposedly sympathetic party who was actually furthering the conspiracy (I’m sure that will have appeal to you), or your theory is has a fatal flaw in it.

Let me get this straight: Are you quoting the report that claims that Obama’s COLB is a forgery? The same report that claims that the state seal was inserted into the photos presented by the factcheck.org.

Let me get this straight: Are you quoting the report that claims that Obama’s COLB is a forgery?

Absolutely!

Polarik presents us with another 2007 COLB which he has no doubt is legitimate – he takes it as a given. I assume this is because he knew the source of the other 2007 COLB and therefore trusted what the source provided him with. While I find Polarik’s document analysis of the contents of the “fake” Obama COLB to be strained and laughable, I at least trust that he can exercise some common sense with regard to an entirely different document, where his judgment is not clouded by a blinding motivation to prove the document a fake.

The following fact is indisuptable and requires no baloney sleuthing or analysis of any sort: Polarik received a COLB which he fully accepts was printed by the DoH within months of when Obama’s COLB was issued. It uses the same words “Date Filed By Registrar,” and contains the same lack of a space between the comma and the year as found on Obama’s COLB. Therefore the following is true: the Obama COLB and an actual COLB from the same period share certain quirks unlikely to occur by chance.

Only one of two conclusions may be drawn:

(1) Obama’s 2007 COLB was produced under the same or similar circumstances to the other 2007 COLB; or

(2) Somebody (nobody knows who, of course) forged Obama’s COLB from a COLB issued from the same time.

To the average person, conclusion (1) seems the most obvious and reasonable. But I’m sure conclusion (2) will appeal to your cynicism.

There is, however, one conclusion which absolutely cannot be drawn – yours – which posits that Obama’s COLB must be fake because no legitimate COLB can omit a space between the comma and the year.

The reason why the Hawaii Govenor has not brought charges against him is simple: MONEY! If she presses charges then he will retaliate Chicago style. Besides Obama has not broken any laws but possible he staffers did when they photoshopped the three different COLBs out there which has never been explained. So I ask you libs which one is the right one?????

He pie boy, which one of the three COLBs that were posted is the right one and which ones are the Hoaxes?????? ps-I still have that bridge for sale for you if you beleive in those hoaxes and also I'm still waiting to hear from you when you get to Ft Bragg Airborne school or are you a coward?

[...] Bueno, es un birther. Nunca he sido el más inteligente en el cajón. URL del artículo original http://washingtonindependent.com/77867/birther-conspiracy-roils-gop-campaigns/comment-page-6#comment... [...]

We know nothing about that other COLB. You have to rely on Polarik’s word to accept is as a legitimate document issued by the DoH. The same Polarik that you dismiss when you say that his analysis is “strained and laughable”.
Cherry-picking, anyone?

And, where is your proof this happened? You and your blower allies making BS up has no meaning. Or, did you ever take the opportunity to read Judge Land's opinion? Or, can you even read and comprehend English?

May I suggest the one attested as correct by Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawaii State Department of Health?

Polarik's final report:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/21…

When did she confirm that COLB was issued to Obama on June 6, 2007?
The DoH refuses to answer a direct question about validity of COLB presented on Obama friendly web sites.

The reason why the Hawaii Govenor has not brought charges against him is simple: MONEY! If she presses charges then he will retaliate Chicago style.
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That makes absolutely no sense at all, but why am I surprised? NOTHING that the birthers say makes any sense. You'd think that I'd be used to it by now, but I guess not. Just more ridiculous conspiracy-based nonsense from the birther peanut gallery.

Like the old saying goes: “Tis better to remain silent and be thought a foll, yet birthers open their mouths and remove all doubt.”

Re: COLBs

Hawaii DOH is the legal authority.
Hawaii DOH states Obama is a natural born U.S. citizen.
All else is irrelevant.

Birfers are brain damaged, vile, paranoid, racist cowards who don't deserve U.S. freedoms or citizenships.

Birfers are seditious pigs and a disgrace to everything our laws and Constitution represent.

Birfers dishonor the many lives lost in the fight for freedom and equality under the law.

Birfers are a dying breed of bigots and hate filled lunatics.

Yeah, more useless than the forged Kenyan BC's. Unless, of course, you're going to call him and expert. Than your opinion is even more worthless.

Well, since you have no idea what a birth certificate is, why do you ask?

Why don't you refute points made in his report? Can you?

Where is the long form birth certificate that would indicate Kapiolani as Obama's birth hospital? Why is Obama hiding it?

The DoH did not confirm that they issued COLB to Obama on June 6, 2007.

That is why I asked Irish_Wake to show otherwise. Feel free to answer it yourself.

So, NC, you're going on this circle ride again? Again, Obama has hidden nothing, it is you asking for more than you legally have a right to.

And, they don't have to. Which you would understand if you knew what a birth certificate is. So tell all these nice people, what is a birth certificate?

Can you verify his report is true and accurate? Can you show where he is an expert on computers, documents, and the production of them by state governments? Can you show why and how his points are accurate? No?

Is it a state secret, LOL?
Citizens/voters ought to know whether a candidate is eligible to run for the highest office in the USA. Every person born in the USA has a birth certificate.
Why did Obama use obscure left wing sites to present the document “proving” his birthplace? He did not show it to the main stream media – why not?

Oh, now you want to claim that following the law is a state secret. I see. The law's only useful when it agrees with your opinion and not to be followed otherwise. Guess you don't like our country, then. BTW, before you get going on the circle train again, all your questions have been answered…again and again and again. Starting with here:

http://washingtonindependent.com/70345/sean-han…

And, if you like, I can pull up even more threads where you ask the same questions over and over and never even have the sense to learn. Like a 2 year-old child always asking “Why” but never listening to the answer.

You can use your own judgment to come to the conclusion whether his arguments make sense.

One thing in Polarik's report that make sense is the question why Obama did not release a high quality scan of the document presented to us as his birth certificate. Why not? Why did they compress the image so much – was it desire to hide the image manipulations?

Well, my own judgement is that Obama was born in Hawaii, as stated by the Hawaii DoH, and his judgement means nothing. Which, you would understand, if you had any idea what a Birth Certificate is. So tell all these nice people, what is a Birth Certificate? Or, as usual, will you avoid the question because you have no idea what you're talking about…as seen in this previous thread.

http://washingtonindependent.com/70345/sean-han…

If you want answers, you learn. If you have a pre-conceived idea of what the outcome should be, you keep asking the same questions over and over again because the answers don't fit your needs. Which are you NC?

My response to naturalizedcitizen:

We know nothing about that other COLB. You have to rely on Polarik's word to accept is as a legitimate document issued by the DoH. The same Polarik that you dismiss when you say that his analysis is “strained and laughable”.
Cherry-picking, anyone?

It's the people on your side of the argument that are convinced that some shadowy people out there are in the business of faking Hawaii COLBs to sow confusion over Obama's birth. Our side makes no such claims and harbors no such suspicions. I have little reason to doubt that Obama's COLB and the other 2007 COLB received by Polarik are real. I also don't doubt that he was examining the actual pictures of the Obama COLB posted by FactCheck. I just think his methods of evaluating the Obama COLB were highly questionable. And his hypothesis – for example, that items like the seal were just “Photoshopped” by somebody – is totally uncompelling.

You argument now becomes even more hopelessly complicated by your current suggestion or implication the other 2007 COLB may be “fake” as well. This is because, you say, “[w]e know nothing about that other COLB.” But that also holds true for every image of supposedly legitimate Hawaii COLBs – or even birth certificates for that matter – available on the web. So, I ask you, on what basis can you determine whether an image of a COLB is legitimate at all? You keep saying that Obama's COLB is different from other COLBs, and this different has not been explained. But if they're all potential frauds due to their uncertain origins, how do you even claim to know what a legitimate COLB even looks like?

Heck, I'm still trying to find out if she even knows what a Birth Certificate is. I've asked her for over 4 months now and she just keeps avoiding answering it. I wonder what NC's hiding? Lack of knowledge can't be it, she shows her failure there every time she posts.

When I asked the courthouse in the county where I got a Certificate of Live Birth, (an official document I can use at the passport office, for a drivers license and all other uses) if they kept track of how many COLB they have made of a particular persons birth record, they said they don't, other than in the bookkeeping part of it, as in payment received for said document. When I obtained several, at different times, for my son, they had no record of the number I had received. They just kept printing them off, stamping (embossing) them and signing them and handed them over. I can go to any courthouse within the state I was born and get an official document taken from the birth register that is now all computerized back to I think the 40's. If I want an actual copy of the document submitted to the state when I was born, my request would have to go to the State Registrars office in the state capitol, would cost me much more than the $5.00 I paid to get the other certificate and would take a longer time to acquire because it would require someone to find the actual microfiche document. That is why they computerized the records long ago. It is easier and cheaper. However, if the seal that is embossed in a document is an official state seal, the proper signature is on the certificate and the information matches what the government has on file, (which Hawaiian officials have) then nobody cares that you are over here screaming about why they won't verify they gave him that document in 2007.

I just saw the birth certificate that the state of Pennsylvania sent my mother when she asked for a copy of her original. It had almost no information on it. Just her date of birth, county of birth, date the certificate was filed, and her parents' names. Really nothing else. I guess my mom must be a suspicious scary foreigner.

Tell us who has verified that the document posted on factcheck.org has an official seal and signature?

At the same time Obama supporters dismiss Polarik's report yet accept the word of factcheck.org. What credential do they have to verify the authenticity of a document?

At least Polarik put his findings in the open where anyone can challenge it. No such luck with folks hiding behind factcheck.org.

I've sent several requests to factcheck.org asking them about verification methods used on Obama's COLB, guess what – no response.

People asked the DoH to confirm the issuing of COLB to Obama and they refused. They should have the record of fee payed by Obama for issuing such document on June 6, 2007.

Let me ask you, what does the document represent? And why is it you want the DoH to break the law?

I know that a COLB is a derivative document based on the records kept by the DoH. Dr. Fukino's statements are based on those documents.

The trouble is – there is a possibility that Obama's birth was (fraudulently) registered by a relative – such hypothesis fits his behavior and the DoH behavior much better than the official story of Kapiolani birth.

NC: “The trouble is – there is a possibility that Obama's birth was (fraudulently) registered by a relative – such hypothesis fits his behavior and the DoH behavior much better than the official story of Kapiolani birth.”

Only in the addle-minded brain of conspiracy nuts. The majority of people believe the official story.

There's a possibility the sun won't come up tomorrow.
There's a possibility the Earth will quit spinning on it's axis tomorrow.
There's a possibility that a blower may grow a brain.

But without proof, there is only BS. Now, where is your PROOF. Or, do you think your unproven theories are better than DoH, 2 newspaper announcements, etc, etc, etc.

The DeCosta COLB was posted on a genealogy web site prior to this becoming an issue. At that time nobody cared about Hawaii COLBs. My argument about date format on Obama's COLB is based on comparison of Obama vs DeCosta COLBs.

Is it possible that the DoH changed the date format at some point – yes it is possible. The trouble is we have only Obama's COLB and the one mentioned in the Polarik's report that have the same date format and use the same phrase “Filed by Registrar”. Other COLBs shown in his report have space in date format and show the phrase “Accepted by State Registrar” (the same is true for DeCosta COLB).

You have conveniently ignored Polarik's comment about the other COLB – the one you think is a genuine DoH document. He said that the paper used for COLB document is very thin – so thin you can easily see what was printed on the other side. Based on that comment it would be impossible that the state seal, bottom fold crease and Onaka's signature are not visible in a COLB scan that was originally presented to the public.

The first images of Obama's COLB document posted on friendly web sites are obvious fakes. It took Obama two months to put a photographs of a document on factcheck.org.

They implied that this was the document shown in previous scans (Daily Kos, FightTheSmears and Factcheck.org). The trouble is, the stamp and fold creases would have shown in a scanned image.

How do you explain this discrepancy?

Which law would they break? Obama has already made the information public.

Back to my question – what makes factcheck.org more credible than Polarik? They kept their methods of verification hidden from public.

Give me one argument which would discount the possibility that Obama's birth was registered by a relative. Such registration would have triggered the inclusion of his name into the list of birth announcements sent to the newspapers.

Speaking about newspaper announcements – the address shown is the address where his grandparents rented a house. Neighbors said that no black child ever lived in that house.

Why is it that Obama cannot show the original birth certificate to the public? If the original was filed by the Kapiolani hospital, there would be no need to play games with the public.

Again, you show your complete lack of understanding of privacy laws. If you're so sure of your interpretation, you have every right to sue the DoH for the information you seek. Of course, because you know you're absolutely wrong, you won't do it. Which, BTW, further adds to basic fact that you know Obama was born in Hawaii and has been properly seated as our 44th President.

NC: “Back to my question – what makes factcheck.org more credible than Polarik? They kept their methods of verification hidden from public.”

Because FactCheck hid nothing. They allowed us to make our own decision on whether it was real or not. Back that up with the fact that DoH said Obama was born there makes Polarik's interpretation much more suspect. Also, FactCheck handled the original document, Polarik didn't, giving them a better look and feel as to the authenticity.

Others have already done so, as you very well know. Add in that Polland has repeatedly lied about his background, expertise, and academic degrees, and I see no reason whatsoever to believe a single word he has said.

Go back to whatever rock you've been under. Better yet, go join Borderraven on one of his seven mile hikes. Maybe you can be his 200 pack this time.

Sorry, but it's up to the accuser to prove his/her case beyond a reasonable doubt. You would know this if you knew squat about the American legal system, which you don't.

One argument, easy you have no PROOF. And now you continue with all the other BS that has been asked over and over and over again. All your questions have been asked and answered here:

http://washingtonindependent.com/70345/sean-han…

Why don't you just read how your BS was torn apart, again and again and again? Is it that you're not capable?

Because his original birth certificate will show he was born on Vulcan.

OBSCURE LEFT WING SITES?????

ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!

What Jim said.

Wrong, and you know it.

Hi ellid, good job over at the OC with borderinsanity. I enjoy following him around a bit and tying back to his posts here. Gives everyone a true picture of him and let's them enjoy your biting repertoire. Keep up the good (and VERY entertaining) work!

How can you be so sure that FactCheck handled the original document?

How did they verify that this was not a fake document? Have any of the factcheck.org “researchers” ever seen the original COLB document prior to seeing Obama's document?
Obama did not show the same document to the main stream media. He made a very interesting choice whom to present the document.

Again, they presented what they had in front of them and let us make our own choice…which you would KNOW if you had even bother to read it instead of only WND and Orly sites. You have yet to provide any proof it WAS a fake document. What proof do you have it was?

BTW: Prove to me that the document Obama showed the main stream media was different than the one he showed FactCheck. I don't believe the word of a person who has been proven to be a consummate liar.

Nobody has been able to provide one argument that would discount the scenario of a birth registration by a relative.
According to the government statistics in 1961 in Hawaii urban areas, ten births of non-whites were reported as unattended births. Obama's birth could be one of those. We don't know because the original birth certificate is hidden from public.

If he was indeed born in the Kapiolani Hospital, we would have known by now. There would be no need to play games with COLB scanned images, photos, Dr. Fukino's misleading statements, DoH stonewalling of legitimate UIPA requests from concerned citizens/voters.

Again, you have provided not one single item of proof it did happen. We, on the other hand, have Hawaii DoH, 2 birth announcements, etc. etc. etc. You saying it's possible has no meaning.

NC: “According to the government statistics in 1961 in Hawaii urban areas, ten births of non-whites were reported as unattended births. Obama's birth could be one of those. We don't know because the original birth certificate is hidden from public.”

Which would make Obama a natural born citizen. BTW EVERYBODY'S original BC is hidden from the public…as per the law. No special exceptions have been made for him.

Translation: Factcheck did not verify anything – they just took the word from Obama campaign that this was the original document.

It is up to Obama to prove his eligibility – not the other way around. He did not show a physical document to the main stream media. Just images posted on a friendly web site, which did not show the state seal, Onaka's signature and folding creases. If you scanned the document currently posted on factcheck, the image would not be the same as images posted in 2008.

Translation: the voters decided by an overwhelming majority that it was enough. Then the Electoral College, then the Congress. So, Obama proved it to the satisfaction of the majority. End of story. You're opinion is worth one vote, so if you voted your voice was heard and discounted by the majority.

Popular vote cannot trump the Constitution. There is a legal procedure how to change the eligibility rules.

The DoH did not say what the source of the birth registration was. Newspaper announcements do not make that distinction either. Therefore, nothing presented to the public so far eliminates the scenario that Obama's birth was registered as unattended birth.
If his birth was registered as such, there is a high probability of fraudulent registration – neighbors said that no black child ever lived at the address reported in the newspaper birth announcement.

Ordinary citizens have shown their birth certificates where the hospital is clearly specified. Why would Obama hesitate to do the same? He applied for a job that requires a person to be a natural born citizen. No other government office has such requirement. If there was nothing to hide – why would he leave doubts about his birthplace to linger on?

Can your mother post an image of her birth certificate on her web page and be taken seriously by a government agency that she has to deal with?

I didn't think so either!

Again, they say he was born in Hawaii. That's the important piece of information. You have no proof he wasn't. Therefor, we the people decided he was eligible and voted for him. That was good enough for the majority.

What's your point? It is only your opinion that he's not eligible, so the constitution's doing just fine.

Well, since Obama's had an American Passport for many years, it seems that the Federal Government has accepted his BC long before he ran for President. BWAHAHAHAHA!!! That's always your response when you get desperate!

Does DoH follow the law when they refuse to release the administrative rules related to publishing of COLB documents? They would not explain the difference in the meaning of phrases “Filed by Registrar” versus “Accepted by State Registrar”.

Did Dr. Fukino follow the law when she proclaimed that Obama was born in Hawaii and declared him a “natural-born American citizen” and then refused to release the information (including advice from attorney general Bennet) used to reach such conclusion. According to Hawaii law she has to release information used in making a legal opinion public.

On another note, did George Bush have to allow behind the scenes access to the White House to Bob Woodward in the post 9/11 period when US was getting ready for the Iraq war? He did it to assure public that administration was transparent. Nobody prevented Obama to show some transparency (the word he often used in the campaign but not practiced) and for example show the physical copy of the COLB document to wider audience including Jerome Corsi.

There was a document saying that Iraq possessed WMDs that could be easily deployed. Remember Colin Powell and his testimony in front of the UN? How important was that piece of information?

Politicians agreed and off we went to invade a foreign country.

How do you know that Obama had US passport for many years? In recent years he could have used a diplomatic one as a US Senator.

We have no idea whether he used a US or an Indonesian passport for his travels while he was in college. The only document available to public is his school record from Indonesia which lists him as an Indonesian citizen.

No other document related to his school years is available to public. This includes his passport information.

*yawn*

Beautiful example of obsessive behavior. I'll bet you wash your hands until they bleed.

DIPLOMATIC PASSPORT???????

What's next, pixie wings under his suit?

*laughs and laughs and laughs*

Why, thank you. I do my best. :)

I'll bet you think the President's birth certificate is in Al Capone's secret vault.

And now, as usual, NC moves off onto other BS that has nothing to do with Obama's eligibility. And, the voters decided he was transparent enough and voted him into office. You lose…again.

Sorry, but all the speculation in the world is worthless without proof. You have not offered this. You lose.

“Popular vote cannot trump the Constitution.”

Neither can a ridiculous conspiracy theory.

Tell us which passport did he use for travel while he was in college: a US or an Indonesian one?

You claimed that DoH followed the law. Why don't you respond to a follow up question about it?

Can you prove he ever had an Indonesian one?

You claimed that Obama showed a different COLB to the mainstream media that the one he showed to Fact Check. Care to prove your statement or you going to continually hide when challenged?

American, of course. You already know this.

Of course NC can't, because he didn't. That won't stop her, or that hideous wreck Borderraven, or anyone else from asking the same damn question that has been asked and answered hundreds of time.

The DeCosta COLB was posted on a genealogy web site prior to this becoming an issue. At that time nobody cared about Hawaii COLBs. My argument about date format on Obama's COLB is based on comparison of Obama vs DeCosta COLBs.

But if you're going to make the DeCosta COLB the foundation for all of your analysis, by definition any COLB that doesn't match its precise characteristics will be subject to suspicion. That doesn't really give you much to work with, especially as we're dealing with COLBs which have been issued over a span of many years, which will no doubt exhibit changes and variations over time.

Is it possible that the DoH changed the date format at some point – yes it is possible. The trouble is we have only Obama's COLB and the one mentioned in the Polarik's report that have the same date format and use the same phrase “Filed by Registrar”. Other COLBs shown in his report have space in date format and show the phrase “Accepted by State Registrar” (the same is true for DeCosta COLB).

You're missing what is important. The Obama COLB and the other 2007 COLB were both issued within months of each other, containing similar characteristics. Unless the 2007 COLB is a fake, it is reasonable to assume that the Obama COLB would not have similar features by chance.

You have conveniently ignored Polarik's comment about the other COLB – the one you think is a genuine DoH document. He said that the paper used for COLB document is very thin – so thin you can easily see what was printed on the other side. Based on that comment it would be impossible that the state seal, bottom fold crease and Onaka's signature are not visible in a COLB scan that was originally presented to the public.

Look at the various images of COLBs he posted on his site. Some of them show a lot of bleed, some show little to none at all. Some show the seal, whereas on some you can barely see it. One can reasonably argue these evident variations are attributable to differences in paper stock, how the paper had been physically handled, how much ink was on the stamp that was applied to the paper, lighting, or photographic quality. Not surprisingly, Polarik completely avoids any discussion of this in his “analysis.” By his silence, one can infer that he held all factors as constant, even though this is a completely unwarranted assumption.

For example, it appears perfectly reasonable why on Obama's COLB the date of the issuance bled through, but not the Onaka stamp. If you look at image 9 on the FactCheck site – showing a close-up of the reverse side of the Obama COLB – you can see that the date stamp (which bled through) appears crisp, dark and deep. In contrast, the Onaka stamp (which did not bleed through), has gaps in it and has a light and grainy color, suggesting that it was produced by a fairly dry stamp applied relatively lightly. A scan of the front of such a document, in which the document is lit only from the front, would likely miss such a light stamp on the reverse.

It took Obama two months to put a photographs of a document on factcheck.org. They implied that this was the document shown in previous scans (Daily Kos, FightTheSmears and Factcheck.org). The trouble is, the stamp and fold creases would have shown in a scanned image.

Your argument conveniently overlooks facts which undermine your position. First, you CAN see the crease line on the FightTheSmears image, even though the image is of low quality – and it is in precisely the same place where it is visible on the higher-quality FactCheck images. Second, the location of the bleed-through date stamp on the original FightTheSmears image is in PRECISELY the same location as in the higher-quality FactCheck images (this can readily be determined by analyzing the pattern separating the stamp from the bottom border and “prima facie” caption). Additionally, evidence shows it is perfectly reasonable why the seal can't be readily seen on the FightTheSmears image. Even in some of the high-quality images take by FactCheck (such as photo 3) the seal is nearly invisible, while in others (such as photo 2) it is readily visible, which lends further credibility to the argument that the seal on the FightTheSmears website image was simply obscured by the angle of the light.

It would be useful if a similar photographic analysis of the DeCosta and the other 2007 COLBs could be performed. But since that isn't going to happen, we'll have to accept what we can deduce and infer from the evidence we have. And that evidence shows there is no unexplainable difference between the FightTheSmears and FactCheck images of Obama's COLB, nor between those of Obama's COLB and other COLBs.

(Unless, of course, you're willing to ignore such reasonable explanations and view any variation as a smoking gun. As always, you're free to draw whatever conclusions you may. But don't expect everyone to agree with your reasoning.)

Give me one argument which would discount the possibility that Obama's birth was registered by a relative.

How is it that Obama's certificate number is so close to the Nordyke twins (with only two number separating them), who were born at Kapi'olani at around the same time and place where Obama says he was born?

I think you have your answer.

I know I'm preaching to the choir but after the ad nauseam, thoroughly ridiculous, arrogant, puerile and sophist posts that NC is nothing more than a cowardly, argumentative buffoon and troll. This sad sack of crap is no doubt desperately lonely based on the frequency and volume of this birfer's nonsense circular, irrelevant and debunked posts.

The best evidence of cowardice is the shift to change the subject as the birfer's cognitive dissonance becomes too painful to handle.

Ditto: good job over at the OC with borderinsanity.

I know, but it's so much fun when she types herself in a corner and ends up proving she knows she's wrong using her own words. BorderInsanity's the same way. They think they've got the smoking gun, then realize they've got it pointed at their own head. Nothing more entertaining.

Especially considering the relatives would have had to go to DoH to register and not the Hospital.

Thanks :)

True. Like citing irrelevant statutes that were overturned 80 years ago or arguing obsessively about the spacing or typeface of serial numbers. Truly pathetic.

I'm still waiting for her to claim Obama's Jewish and parted the Red Sea. She's claimed every other wild theory she can think of for his family.

Look at the Onaka's stamp once again and tell me why is the word REGISTRAR smeared if there was no ink on the stamp.

On a very thin paper used for COLBs, both the stamp and Onaka's signature would have shown up in a scan. I am yet to see an image of a Hawaii COLB that does not show both in a scanned image. Obama's COLB is the sole exception.

Where is the bottom crease in the scan of Obama COLB? It is not there, and neither is a state seal.

First we have to take Obama's word that number 10641 belongs to him. The DoH would not release the index data related to that number.

Even if we assume that the number is correct, you have overlooked the difference in dates. The Obama COLB shows the date August 8, 1961 (Filed by Registrar) while Nordyke twins certificates show the date August 11, 1961 (Date Accepted by State Registrar).

How do you explain the three day difference if both documents originated in the Kapiolani hospital? Could it be that Obama's document was processed differently than the one for Nordyke twins?

Could it be that the twins took longer to process? Could it be that the twin's Doctor had more pressing needs than immediately filing the paperwork? Maybe delivering another baby or an emergency with another patient? Could it be there was nothing nefarious and just normal workings of a hospital. Tell me NC, what is your experience with working in a Hospital? What is your experience working for a country clerk? What experience have you had that says that anything you guess might have happened has indeed happened? You can only guess, and we say you're wrong. Now, prove that any statement I said is wrong.

Look at the Onaka's stamp once again and tell me why is the word REGISTRAR smeared if there was no ink on the stamp.

You're battling against a straw man argument. I did not say there was “no ink on the stamp.” I said it was a “fairly dry stamp applied relatively lightly.” In fact, the existence of the smear suggests the stamp was applied in a somewhat sideways trajectory, and not straight down. The latter would be more likely to produce a deep imprint visible from the other side, not the former. As it turns out, that's exactly what we see with the date stamp.

On a very thin paper used for COLBs, both the stamp and Onaka's signature would have shown up in a scan. I am yet to see an image of a Hawaii COLB that does not show both in a scanned image. Obama's COLB is the sole exception.

Known examples of a reverse stamp and signature not showing up on a scan of the front side of a COLB:

* “Michele” born at 8:25 PM (image on Polarik's “Final Report”).
* Jeremy Scott Smith born January 19, 1983 (image on Polarik's “Final Report”).

Where is the bottom crease in the scan of Obama COLB? It is not there, and neither is a state seal.

Admittedly, neither are visible on the FightTheSmears scan, which is a low-resolution image. On the other hand, they are also invisible on photo 3 on the FactCheck site (which, although not low-resolution, partially duplicates the effect of low resolution by being somewhat blurred). It's not until the COLB is held up to the light so that features stand out on relief that they become clear, as in photo 1.

In fact, photo 1 is particularly fascinating because it shows the seal imprint in a level of detail which would be impossible to fake by even the most advanced photo manipulation experts.

But I'm sure you have a ready explanation for how it was done…

My questions are perfectly reasonable. Out of sequence registration number and large dates difference require an explanation.

Obama could authorize Kapiolani to release the information. We would not have to speculate. Why did Mr. Transparency (LOL) refused to do it?

Why is it that in the middle of the COLB controversy (summer 2008, the snopes.com reported Queen's as his birth hospital?) Nobody from Obama campaign corrected that information even after eligibility lawsuits were filed.

Only in January 2009 (after the inauguration ceremony) Obama mentioned Kapiolani as his birth hospital. Interesting timing of events.

My comments are perfectly reasonable too. You have not stated what experience you have in Hospitals, so you can't say that them being out of sequence is in any way unusual. You have no experience in handling records for any state or county, so you in no way can say one way or another if this is unusual or usual. So, my guess is as good as yours. And, since he was born in the state of Hawaii, the hospital is inconsequential to his eligibility. You just need to reach as deep as you can in the BS bucket to try and make yourself seem reasonable. You fail miserably.

First we have to take Obama's word that number 10641 belongs to him.

Correction – we have to take the photographic images of the COLB on the FactCheck site for the proposition that number 10641 belongs to President Obama. President Obama has not personally made any representations on the matter.

Second, it is worth noting that the Obama COLB images were released in October 2008, BEFORE the media began circulating stories about the Nordyke twins about a month or two later. Someone forging the Obama COLB would not have known about the certificate number associated with the Nordykes. For the Obama COLB to coincide so closely with the Nordyke registration numbers, in the absence of information about the Nordykes' birth certificate numbers, one of two things must have happened: (1) the COLB was the product of an inside job at the DoH, or (2) it was an incredibly lucky guess by a forger not associated with the DoH.

Even if we assume that the number is correct, you have overlooked the difference in dates. The Obama COLB shows the date August 8, 1961 (Filed by Registrar) while Nordyke twins certificates show the date August 11, 1961 (Date Accepted by State Registrar).

I don't know why one was filed/accepted before the other, just as I don't know why the hospital used birth certificate forms out of numerical order. But we can definitely rule out the possibility that certificate numbers were assigned upon receipt by the registrar, can't we? Obama's certificate was filed on a Tuesday, and the Nordykes' on a Friday. It is hard to imagine that the State of Hawaii registered no more than two births between Tuesday and Friday of that week. The more reasonable explanation is that the numbers were assigned from batches kept by Kapi'olani Hospital, not the DoH.

Where is the bottom crease in the scan of Obama COLB? It is not there, and neither is a state seal. It is a red flag!
DeCosta COLB image is not a very high quality resolution yet it clearly shows the stamp and both fold creases.

According to Polarik, the size of the stamp from a COLB that you consider a legitimate one (Michelle) and the one shown on Obama's COLB do not match.They should be the same as the same stamp was used for all COLBs in 2007. You are admiring a seal that has incorrect dimensions.

You could be right. However I have shown to you and to John_C that the registration number is not a proof that Obama was born in the Kapiolani hospital. Birth registration by a relative cannot be eliminated based on the data available to the public. The same way that you claim that a delay in processing happened, I can assume that a different process was used to handle Obama's birth registration vs. Nordyke twins ones.

There would be no need for speculation if Obama authorized the release of his original birth certificate, which would (according to the official story) confirm your theory. Yet he refuses to do so. This gives more strength to the opposite argument that he was not born in the Kapiolani hospital.

You haven't shown how it's not proof he was born there. You haven't shown any experience with document handling and hospital administration. You've only shown wild guesses and assumptions with nothing but your opinion to back it up. That's not even enough for a cup of coffee in a court of law.

Obama shouldn't release anymore, IMO. You've already proven with your accusations that your opinion is predetermined and there's nothing he can do to satisfy you…you'll just assume the worst as you've always done. But, in this country, that's your right. In fact, you have 1 vote to speak your mind all you want. The majority knew all this before the election and decided he was eligible and voted for him. That's called an election, in case you were wondering. Nothing more needs to be done by our President because the basic fact is nobody can satisfy all the people all the time, so don't bother trying.

If you look at one of your posts above, you used the registration number as a proof that birth registration by a relative was not possible.

The date difference shows that it is quite possible that different process was used for Obama's birth registration.

Who assigned the registration numbers for unattended births?

Again, I ask you, what is your experience in handling documents and hospital administration that the date difference is anything but normal procedure? You're saying something is quite possible has no meaning from someone who has no idea what they're talking about. Or, didn't you realize that?

My goal was not to prove that Obama's birth was reported as an unattended birth. I wanted to illustrate the possibility of that scenario. Once again, the data currently available to the public does not eliminate this scenario.

The same way I cannot prove that his birth was registered by a relative, you cannot prove that he was born in the Kapiolani hospital. The original birth certificate would remove any doubts – yet it is hidden from US citizens/voters.

My reply to naturalizedcitizen:

However I have shown to you and to John_C that the registration number is not a proof that Obama was born in the Kapiolani hospital.

You're free to draw any conclusion you like. But here are the facts:

* Obama's certificate number is separated from the Nordyke twins by only two intermediate numbers.

* Nobody disputes the Nordyke twins' claim that they were born at Kapi'olani.

* An Obama relative theoretically could have somehow filed Obama's birth certificate, but it is statistically improbable that the relative would have received a number so close to those provided to persons born at Kapi'olani by mere chance alone.

* The Obama campaign did not know at the time it provided the Obama COLB to FactCheck of the existence of the Nordyke certificate number.

Conclusion: It is much more likely than not that Obama's certification number was issued by Kapi'olani in 1961. Do we have absolute proof? No. But the probability that the birther scenarios (i.e. recent forgery or filing of birth certificate by relative) are true is exceedingly low.

But, in order for you to be able to make your scenarios believable you would have to know how things are handled in the normal day-to-day operations of both hospital administrations and state/county clerk's offices. You haven't a clue. Therefor, you just make stuff up and think you've found the golden goose. It doesn't work that way…you haven't shown YET how Obama's BC has been handled in any different way than anybody else's.

I have no doubt that he was born in Hawaii, which is what this is about. Just because you choose not to believe is in no way important to that big picture. Release anymore just feeds your conspiracy, as you have proven time and time again, it does no good and better to let you twist in the wind.

I admire your stamina. Is it really possible that, all these months later, NC is still obsessed with the COLB? Does NC still also obsess over John Jay's letter and the meaning of “natural born citizen,” or is it all just about the COLB? How can anyone post over 2000 times to this blog, and say so little?

Well, they say ignorance is bliss…NC has to be the happiest person on the planet. Along with BorderInsanity, of course. I do think they're more entertaining than truepatriotnut that you're working on over at the other thread. That one's only reduced to name-calling and outright lies…boring.

Polland doesn't know what he's talking about. Neither do you.

Answer John C's question. Just once. Just ONCE.

Otherwise, you are welcome to rejoin your dear and close relatives on the Serbian Capybara Farm of Stupidity.

You've shown nothing but evidence of your own paranoia. Answer the question.

No data publicly available excludes the possibility that Obama's birth was registered as unattended birth by a relative.

You started this round of arguments by saying that registration numbers prove that Obama's birth was not reported by a relative, yet in the last post you acknowledged the (small) possibility that such scenario could have taken place.

When considering the probability of such an event you omitted an important thing from your analysis: Obama's behavior. If he had a legitimate Kapiolani birth certificate he would have shown it long time ago. The mere fact that the Daily Kos was the first media outlet to publish a COLB image is suspicious. Immediately after the initial release of the COLB image it was obvious that the image was lacking details normally associated with official COLB documents (no state seal, folding crease and no registrar's signature). It took Obama TWO months to release the photos to FactCheck. Why is it that they could not provide a high quality document scan in the first place?

Only two people from FactCheck have seen the physical document. If there was nothing to hide, Obama could have invited other media representatives including skeptics.

During the past year Obama has demonstrated many times that he is a habitual liar.

A person with nothing to hide would behave differently from what we have seen in the past year and a half.

How about the president has better things to do than swat at gnats? He has produced a Certificate of Live Birth that is perfectly acceptable to the largest majority of American voters. I prefer he worry about the real problems this country is facing and ignore the gnats.

The largest majority of people consider you birthers to be crazy, fringe lunatics. You are not taken seriously by either major party and actually have the republicans worried that you will detract enough from what they consider is the real fight that they are distancing themselves as much as possible without making it too apparent. The republican party looked at the presidents birth long ago when he was still a candidate and know he is a natural born citizen. Hillary's campaign looked too and knew they couldn't take him out of the race over that. For you to seriously think this subject wasn't seriously looked at long before now indicates you are not thinking clearly. The Clinton campaign and the republicans have more than enough money to thoroughly examine and fight the battle if there was anything to fight over. In the meantime, you really should quit trying to convince yourself the president spends any time worrying about the continued irritation on the scale of gnats. You did see what he did to the fly during that interview didn't you? The one he swatted down in mid-air?

We are only speculating about dates. Neither you nor John_C claimed to have definitive knowledge about the process used to handle birth registrations in the Kapiolani Hospital in 1961.

How do you know that the three days date difference falls under the normal process used in that hospital?

For the Nth time I have to repeat that I am not trying to prove that Obama's birth was registered by a relative. I am only pointing out that such possibility cannot be dismissed based on the data currently available to the public.

I cannot understand the logic of Obama supporters who approve the hiding of the original birth certificate. That document would answer these questions – there would be no need to speculate (if we assume that the official story were true).

The only document presented to the public (from Obama’s school years) lists him as an Indonesian citizen.

Why does he hide other documents, those that would indicate US citizenship, LOL!!!

Obama did NOT show a paper copy of his COLB to anybody in the main stream media.
It is quite obvious that COLB images originally posted in June 2008 did not show details that would normally be visible on a genuine COLB.

Make a scan of the document presented on FactCheck – it will not be identical to those COLB images from June 2008.

And you're making the same tired arguments over and over and over again.

Let us pray that BR and NC do not breed.

And for the Nth time, ANSWER A QUESTION PUT TO YOU INSTEAD OF CHANGING THE SUBJECT.

Answer Jim's question.

To put it simply, by the standards of proof you've set up, there is no way anyone can definitely prove when and where they were born. If every document produced by the government is assumed a forgery until it goes through your twisted logic and broken ideas no document is ever good enough for you. But, using John_C's arguments it is much more likely that he was born when and where he was than any argument you've put forward that he wasn't. That you're not satisfied is inconsequential. You've already proven yourself to have predetermined the outcome. And, that will never change what the final outcome is.

And, no data publicly available excludes the possibility that he was born in Hawaii as shown by the COLB. However, you've produced not a shred of evidence he was born anywhere else. Until you do, he was born when and where is shown.

NC: “When considering the probability of such an event you omitted an important thing from your analysis: Obama's behavior. If he had a legitimate Kapiolani birth certificate he would have shown it long time ago.”

Why? When you're faced with a small group of people who have determined with no evidence that you're lying and showing forgeries, what good would it have done other than feeding the conspiracy theories? He did what most of us would have done. Ignore them. So his actions make perfect sense, especially if you've done nothing wrong. Make the accuser prove their side, he's already proven his to the satisfaction of the majority.

Which reminds me of a discussion you and I had in another thread. You claimed the COLB was a forgery until you saw it with your own eyes. I asked you how any candidate would give every voter in the country a physical copy of his COLB and how would the expense be covered to do this. You just LOLed and said you didn't know. When I then pointed out the best way to do this was exactly the way Obama did it, you became silent and ran away…again. Why do I bring this up? Because it again shows the actions of someone trying to be honest and open and using the best tools available to reach the widest population that they could, not someone trying to hide anything. What your whole argument has come down to, time and time again, is you think the Hawaii records hold some sort of golden goose that will make you correct. But, we know that you'll never be satisfied. So, an honest person would handle you and your ilk just the way they handled it…by ignoring you.

The hubris of a birfer who habitually lies and has been caught lying numerous times accusing another of lying is unbridled hypocrisy at its finest.

This paranoid, deranged sack of birfer shit is beyond help. NC will fabricate any paranoid fantasy to suit a full range of bigoted delusions.

Very thin paper? What are you talking about? I don't know what the birth certificates are like in Middle Stupidia or whatever Balkan statelet you now claim to be from, but American birth certificates are printed on stiff, acid-free paper that is slightly thicker than normal so they'll hold up better.

*shakes head*

Manufacturing controversy where there is none is yet another sign of desperation, old sport. Pathetic.

I cannot understand why you keep asking the same questions that have been answered at length and in detail.

Except, of course, the contemporary letter by a woman who spoke to a doctor at the Honolulu hospital where the President was delivered…..

[...] TOC todavía patadas en? "Así que hasta que no vea su forma larga adecuado / BC original, entonces he ganado!" BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! ! ! ! Qué idiota. Buen toque de arrogancia procedentes de nadie. URL del artículo original http://washingtonindependent.com/77867/birther-conspiracy-roils-gop-campaigns/comment-page-9#comment... [...]

Nothing is hidden except in your peculiar excuse for a brain. Why don't you do something useful, like volunteer to rebuild Port-au-Prince? Or is that too socialist for you?

It is obvious that Obama thought that he had to provide evidence of his birthplace to the public. Otherwise he would not have shown the COLB at all. Why did he do such a poor job about presenting the so-called proof of birth in Hawaii?

The most obvious thing to do: Either provide a high quality scan in the first place or authorize the DoH and/or hospital to release the information. He could have allowed other media outlets see the physical copy of that document not just two people from FactCheck.

What is the reason for people believing that Obama was not born in Hawaii. “Birthers” did not start this thing by publishing stories about Obama's birth in three different countries and two different Hawaii hospitals. It was done by various journalists. Obama added the fuel to the fire by publishing a low quality image of COLB on a left wing web site then waited for two months to produce a physical copy which nobody from the main stream media could see.

His behavior does not make any sense for a person who claimed to be born in Hawaii.

We do know you can't “bread” that BR beagle with an NC boxer and get another birfer beagle. There just aren't enough crumbs.

You did not realize that your statement about thick paper being used for Hawaii COLBs destroys John_C's argument about date format anomaly shown on Obama's COLB.

Have you ever had a COLB from Hawaii in your hands to be able to claim with certainty that paper used is not thin.

John_C cherry-picked one part of Polarik's report about a COLB (Michelle) that has the same date format (no space between the comma and the year) and uses the same phrase (Filed by Registrar). He gives credit to Polarik and assumes that this COLB was an authentic one and used it as an evidence that Obama's COLB does not have a date format anomaly.

What he and you ignore is the fact that Polarik mentioned how surprised he was when he saw the Michelle COLB. The paper it was printed on was very thin.

Which one is it: Is the Michelle COLB presented in Polarik's report authentic or is it a fake one? It cannot be both depending on whether it helps Obama's case or not.

There were three different COLBs posted on the internent. One was on Factcheck another was on Fight the Smears and I can't remember where the other one was posted. They all had different charecteristics. Why is that and which one is the Bona Fide one as the no one in the State of Hawaii has officially admitted to releasing the COLB?

There were three different COLBs posted on the internent. One was on Factcheck another was on Fight the Smears and I can't remember where the other one was posted. They all had different charecteristics. Why is that and which one is the Bona Fide one as the no one in the State of Hawaii has officially admitted to releasing the COLB?

Bullshit.

And you're a pathological liar, an obsessive, compulsive lunatic, a blatant coward and a vile bigot.

More importantly, your incessant, illiterate bullshit is entirely irrelevant.
It's irrelevant just like you are irrelevant, idiot birfer.

Nonsense. There is no official document listing our President as an Indonesian citizen. After her divorce from her first husband, Barack Obama’s mother married an Indonesian student named Lolo Soetoro who was attending college in Hawaii; in 1967 the family moved to Indonesia, where Barack attended elementary school in Jakarta until 1971, when he returned to Hawaii to live with his maternal grandparents. Much has been made of the above-displayed (link – http://www.snopes.com/politics/graphics/soetoro…) registration from St. Francis of Assisi School in Jakarta, which ostensibly shows Barack Obama’s stepfather having listed his stepson’s nationality as “Indonesian” (thereby supposedly indicating that Barack Obama relinquished his U.S. citizenship at some point)However, Lolo Soetoro’s putatively listing his stepson’s nationality as Indonesian on a school registration form does not in itself demonstrate that Barack Obama was officially regarded as an Indonesian citizen by the government of that country. In any case it’s a moot point, since the same form shows that Barack Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawaii, thereby making him a U.S. citizen from birth, and U.S. law states that a foreign nationality acquired through an alien parent does not affect one’s U.S. citizenship status, nor can a child’s U.S. citizenship be renounced solely through the actions of his parents. The automatic acquisition or retention of a foreign nationality, acquired, for example, by birth in a foreign country or through an alien parent, does not affect U.S. citizenship.Parents cannot renounce U.S. citizenship on behalf of their minor children. Before an oath of renunciation will be administered under Section 349(a)(5) of the INA, a person under the age of eighteen must convince a U.S. diplomatic or consular officer that he/she fully understands the nature and consequences of the oath of renunciation, is not subject to duress or undue influence, and is voluntarily seeking to renounce his/her U.S. citizenship.http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/o…

There were several pictures of the same document posted on the Internet. Of course, never let it be said that birthers let actual fact deter them from spreading yet more lies across the Internet.

He showed the birth certificate to quash rumors that his middle name was “Mohamed,” you bustard-brain.

Oh goodie. Another intellectually bankrupt birther who is so inarticulate that s/he/it posts the same crap multiple times.

Maybe they're part of a hive mind? The Borg wouldn't have them on a bet, but maybe a lesser alien race of horror, like Cthulhu and the Shoggoths?

First, the fraud who claimed to have “proved” that the President's birth certificate was a fake is named “Polland,” not Polarik.

Second, YOU are the one who claimed that birth certificates are on thin paper. I merely pointed out that you are wrong.

Third, there is not a scrap of evidence that the President was born anywhere but Hawaii.

Fourth, if you hate America so much, go home to whichever hideous little pile of filth disgorged you. We have enough homegrown morons without importing them from the gluteal cleft of Europe.

I looked at all 3…plus more since it's now all over the internet. The ones posted by the Obama campaign are the same. The only ones showing marked differences are the ones that were tampered with by blowers or someone trying to show how dumb blowers are.

And, why do I believe myself more than you folks? Let's see, over 30 years in the fields of computers and imaging gives me a much better insight than any of you. Plus, the ability to take a low-res image and make it into a better high-res image for use. I would go into the exact details, but that's so far over blower intelligence it would be a waste of time. Needless to say, John_C easily blew that theory out of the water below.

Does NC still also obsess over John Jay’s letter and the meaning of “natural born citizen,” or is it all just about the COLB?

NC believes that Obama, by virtue of his father’s citizenship, is ineligible to serve as President of the United States no matter where he was born. He/she just likes to have fun with the COLB issue to “prove” that Obama is some sort of slippery huckster.

John_C cherry-picked one part of Polarik’s report about a COLB (Michelle) that has the same date format (no space between the comma and the year) and uses the same phrase (Filed by Registrar). He gives credit to Polarik and assumes that this COLB was an authentic one and used it as an evidence that Obama’s COLB does not have a date format anomaly.

You can call it whatever you like. I may not have much regard for Polarik’s assumptions or analysis, but I have no reason to doubt that he looked at the documents he says he looked at. A preschooler can identify a school bus even if he believes it is secretly a Transformer.

What he and you ignore is the fact that Polarik mentioned how surprised he was when he saw the Michelle COLB. The paper it was printed on was very thin.

I thought your point was we can’t trust Polarik’s claims to have even examined real COLBs. You’ll have to pardoned me if I’m a little confused.

Having said that, we don’t know how thick Obama’s COLB is. As I’ve demonstrated elsewhere, other known COLBs completely lack any visible bleed-through from the reverse, much more so than Obama’s COLB.

DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH
News Release
LINDA LINGLE
GOVERNOR
_________________________________________________________________________________________________________
CHIYOME LEINAALA FUKINO M.D.
DIRECTOR
Phone: (808) xxx-xxxx
Fax: (808) xxx-xxxx
_________________________________________________________________________________________________________
For Immediate Release: July 27, 2009 09-063
STATEMENT BY HEALTH DIRECTOR CHIYOME FUKINO, M.D.
“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawai?i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai‘i State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai‘i and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago.”

Emphasized excerpt for the terminally stupid:

” . . . verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai‘i and is a natural-born American citizen.”
- Chiyome Leinaala Fukino M.D., Director, Department of Health, State of Hawai'i, 07/07/09.

NATURALIZEDCITIZEN FAILURES:

Below, NC made a claim that Obama was hiding something because of his actions. I remembered having that discussion with her in another thread and pointed out that all Obama's actions were perfectly reasonable for someone who was innocently trying to reach as large an audience as possible. As usual, our resident fiction writer, NC, twists and spins to try and make it look like more than it is. That got me thinking, maybe we need to give the readers a more complete picture of NC so they can understand what exactly she is trying to prove. A couple of discussions with her came to mind:
1) For Orly's appeal of Major Cook's dismissal, she included an affidavit from someone who claimed to have seen the AG in a Georgia coffeehouse on a certain day that coincides with the dismissal. NC took that and tried to run with it. NC pointed out that the affidavit was signed under the threat of perjury, so it must be true and has to be taken as true. Bet that one had the lawyers rolling in the aisles. When it was pointed out to her that the AG was in California that day, she just said he could have easily jetted to Georgia and back so that was no proof and the affidavit was proof he was there. When it was pointed out that at the time he was supposedly in Georgia he was giving a speech in California complete with pictures and witnesses, NC grudgingly stated that she “may be mistaken”. I believe ellid asked if the AG was beamed from California to Georgia and back.
2) During a rather long-winded debate on the definition of Natural Born citizen, NC stuck to her guns. Unless anybody could provide an exact statement of Natural Born citizen is born in the USA she was going to stick to her definition of born to 2 US citizens. Although it was pointed out over and over how this was not true, she was sticking to her guns. Finally, somebody got her to state unequivocally that “There is no definition of Natural Born citizen so you can't use the born in the USA as an argument”. Of course, I then pointed out to her that it was then left up to the voters. Her point? As shown below, “vote cannot trump the constitution”, which is totally hilarious coming from her.

As you can see, NC has predetermined that Obama is not eligible to be President. And she does it without proof, without understanding, without law, and without a shred of common sense. The only thing she has is her twisted logic, that is completely irrelevant, and a very strange and foreign way at looking at our country and our laws. I think everyone can agree that she's more like an Al-qaeda operative than an american citizen. Any other funny stories from your dealings with NC?

John_C: “Having said that, we don’t know how thick Obama’s COLB is. As I’ve demonstrated elsewhere, other known COLBs completely lack any visible bleed-through from the reverse, much more so than Obama’s COLB.”

Of course, that’s where the knowledge of how state/county offices work would come in handy. If you send out bids and take the lowest bid, the quality of the paper will be different at different times. Knowing NC, she has no clue about this. Also, the same with ink pads, etc, etc, etc. Also, most Clerks’ offices have more than 1 printer and you could conceivably have different fonts even if printed on the same day. But, of course, NC would think that’s a conspiracy. I wonder how often the Clerk’s offices have actually thought that printing BC’s on 2 different printers would become a national crises. Never, I bet.

So NC is still believes that “natural born citizen” means “born in the United States to two citizen parents”? It seemed, last time I checked, like you were making some progress by demonstrating that “natural born subject” was a well understood term in British law (and the colonies), and required only being born in the country. But NC is nothing if not wilfully ignorant.

Where is the bottom crease in the scan of Obama COLB? It is not there, and neither is a state seal. It is a red flag!

And I suppose the FactCheck image in which the seal and crease also disappear are also red flags!! Never mind that they are fully visible in the images in which the features on the COLB can be seen in relief.

You are admiring a seal that has incorrect dimensions.

Well, I guess that proves it, then. This leaves us with only two theories:

(1) The COLB never had a seal, and the unknown Photoshoppers were so damn good at adding one to the many pictures that even Polarik never could identify any details indicating they were artificial artifacts on the image. They just were Photoshopped…. ’cause!!!

(2) The COLB forgers went out of their way to obtain (a) authentic DoH patterned paper, (b) the name stamp – with Onaka’s name on it!, (c) the date stamp, and (d) a printer bearing the same font which is able to place the words in exactly the right place at the right size. Then they accidentally forgot to place a space between the comma and the year – only to find that another COLB coincidentially had the same defect. And while guessing at a believable certificate number to put on the document, they just happened to come up with a number almost identical to two girls born in Kapi’olani at about the same time Obama claimed to have been there. Yowsa!!

But the third time wasn’t a charm, as they forgot to snag the DoH seal while they were at it, so they created a fake one from scratch that they hoped nobody would see.

And with that, they deemed it fit to place on the internet for every amateur “expert” to pick apart.

And they would have gotten away with it all had it not been for Polarik and NC stopping them in their tracks. Why, we ought to arrange a ticker-tape parade for the amazing sleuths among us!!

Love that fine craft.

“I am disillusioned enough to know that no man's opinion on any subject is worth a damn unless backed up with enough genuine information to make him really know what he's talking about.”
- H. P. L.

Pie boy, Two things wrong with your statement. First, if his mother in fact filed a COLB for this birth, that is the exact form (COLB) that was used for children back then that were NOT born in Hawaii and this would make her statement true. It still does not say what is on his original Birth Certificate which could have been Kenyan and in that case Hawaii would not have it. Another way to look at this is that Obama's sister who was born in Indonesia has a COLB showing whe was born in Hawaii! I back my statement up with the following info from the Examiner:

The Examiner.com reports that “Obama’s half sister, born in Indonsia, has a Hawaiian Certification of Live Birth:”

Maya Soetoro was born to Indonesian businessman Lolo Soetoro and American cultural anthropologist Ann Dunham and half-sister to the 44th President of the United States, Barack Obama. While living in Indonesia, she was home schooled by her mother and then attended Jakarta International School and returned to Hawaii and attended the private Punahou School in Honolulu, Hawaii, graduating in 1988.

Besides being the First Sister Maya has a HawaiiaCertification of Live Birth despite be born in Jakarta Indonesia. Supposedly this certificate was used by the Daily Kos to forge an Obama version. Anyone find it odd that Maya, undisputedly born in Indonesia, would have the same type of document as Barack Obama to forge?

Pieboy, the second thing is that of course Hawaii officials are going to lie and vouch for Obama as he would cut off a lot of federal funding-Chicago style politics so to speak. Face it Pie boy, Obama's numbers are circle-ing the drain as he pushes socialism that the vast majority of Americans do NOT want. Put down your bong and head for the life boats now as all you are doing is re-arranging the chairs on the SS Obuma! ps-get a job too!

Ellid, FTW ! ! !

<applause>

Well, there was the time she accused me of using “foul language” because I called her a “mascara-sucking cretin.” She also went ballistic when I made a derogatory reference to Orly Taitz's dental skills, leading Anthony to speculate that NC is indeed Orly Taitz.

It's not quite as amusing as Borderraven claiming that he went tripping about the California wilderness hefting a 200 pack (and then editing his post to make it look like his own gut was the pack in question), but it's still pretty silly.

Hey pieboy, my name is Brad White and I am a proud African American who awaits your presence at Ft Bragg to Airborne PT your wimpy little butt. I go by the rules and regulations and have sworn to uphold the US Constitution and had to show my BC to get into the miiltary. Now get down and give me 20!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

There were three different COLBs posted on the internent. One was on Factcheck another was on Fight the Smears and the other on Daily Kos. They all had different characteristics. Why is that and which one is the Bona Fide one as the no one in the State of Hawaii has officially admitted to releasing the COLB? Ok brain surgeons, which one did the State of Hawaii release? Answer none of them! Besides if he was born in Kenya then he would not have a BC in Hawaii but would have a COLB in Hawaii which is exactly what his sister and him have! So until I see his long form proper/original BC then I have won! ps-man the lifeboats as the US Obuma is going down!!!

Months have passed since I argued with NC, and the modus operandi hasn’t changed one bit: NC never does any research; NC does not answer questons; NC only asks questions. Thus, it has always been, and thus it will always be.

Actually, you lost. So sorry. Maybe you can grab that boat and get out of the country yourself. BTW, aren't you late for your med's update? Seems you've gotten a bit more cranky and delusional.

Who assigned the registration numbers for unattended births?

Who knows?

But we do know this – Obama’s certification number is nearly the same as the Nordyke twins. We also know that their respective births were registered days apart, and Obama had a higher number despite being registered first. This alone suggests that in 1961 the registrar did not assign certificate numbers upon filing.

On the other hand, we know that the Nordyke twins were born less than one day after Obama in the same place Obama says he was born. And we know the Obama campaign did not know about the Nordyke twins when the COLB was photographed by FactCheck.

Great BW, glad you're serving your country and following your CIC as a good soldier should. Makes all of us proud that you're willing to sacrifice for the defense of our country. So, when is your unit shipping out to Afghanistan for troop buildup?

Well Jimboy, you picked the wrong Airborne Seargeant to tangle with. The fact is your boy Obama's poll numbers are circle-ing the drain with Rasmussen having him at a negative 19 rating today. He is pushing a health care people the majority of the nation does not want as well as Cap and Tax, and an amnesty bill. All of this with the CBO's projected deficit of 21 TRILLION dollars in ten years shows the fiscal irresponsibility of Obuma. It doens't matter where he was born, help fiscally responsible people take back this country or we will be partying like its 1929!!!!!!!

Here is another theory and as long as “Mr Transpernecy” himself continues to lie and cover his past there will be other theories. With his poll numbers going lower by the day he needs to finally be honest for once as even he did not post the COLB but “somone” from his campaign did. Was that after they photo-shopped Obama's sistes COLB with Obama's name on it?
Easy enough to do even for a cave man like you Jim!
Until 1980, all foreign and domestic births recorded here received a COLB from Hawaii. In 1981, Hawaii started to issue a certificate of foreign birth for babies brought here from another country. I know a woman who came here from the Philippines as a 15 year old in 1982 and she has a COFB from Hawaii. This is why Maya, who came here in the 1970s has a COLB from Hawaii. I think Obama may have been born here and is hiding the rest of his records because he attended Punahou, Occidental, Columbia and Harvard as a foreign student receiving US government aid. If he did, he defrauded the US government out of hundreds of thousands of dollars.

Below is a list of records that Obama has had sealed and refuses to make public.

1. Long form Birth certificate(not COLB).
2. Documented proof of the hospital where he was born.
3. The name of the doctor who delivered him.
4. Kindergarten records
5. Punahou school records
6. Occidental College records
7. Columbia University records
8. Columbia thesis
9. Harvard Law School records
10. Harvard Law Review articles
11. Scholarly articles from the University of Chicago
12. Passport
13. Medical records
14. Files from his years as an Illinois state senator
15. Illinois State Bar Association records
16. Any baptism records
17. Adoption records.

It is UNDENIABLE that Obama is hiding SOMETHING.
“We the People” have a right to know WHAT that is.

And who got us into this mess? Who took a surplus and turned it into a deficit? Who got us into a war against another country when the people who planned the attack were in Afghanistan? Who didn't even have the courage to budget the war's cost, even while we were fighting a 2 front war. Looks to me like we have a President who will face the country's problems and not try to hide from them like his predecessor. And, I think you'll find that the poll numbers show that the majority of Americans want some kind of health care reform…especially when insurance companies are announcing rate increases from 40-60% in the next year. Of course, you don't care about that, since I and the rest of the tax payers cover your health care. But, a lot of young families are looking at not being able to afford health care and they want something done.

I call BS. Prove it! You saying it has no meaning. Prove that Obama wasn't born in Hawaii. Come on, you're so smart. Put your money where your mouth is! I say you can only get your BS from lying sites who have an agenda.

Who are you calling boy, you coward?

I don't do drugs and obviously you don't do enough. Now GFY, you lying, deranged, piece of crap coward. You're a disgrace to the U.S.

Get someone who can read to explain the following to you, brain damaged idiot:

“It’s crazy,” said Janice Okubo, director of communications for the Hawaii Department of Health. “I don’t think anything is ever going to satisfy them.”

Okubo, who said that she gets weekly questions from Obama ‘Birthers’ that are “more like threats,” explained that the certificate of live birth reproduced by Obama’s campaign should have debunked the conspiracy theories. “If you were born in Bali, for example,” Okubo explained, “you could get a certificate from the state of Hawaii saying you were born in Bali. You could not get a certificate saying you were born in Honolulu. The state has to verify a fact like that for it to appear on the certificate.

http://washingtonindependent.com/51489/birther-…

Most of those records are sealed from public view by LAW, not Obama. And, you do not talk for all the American people. In fact, the majority felt so comfortable with what was shown they voted for him. So you, the minority of people, have no right to them. So sorry, have a nice day. :)

Jim, if your so smart then why do you drink the Obama socilaist flavored kool-aid? Surely you must see that his policies like putting us at least 20 TRILLION (I think the number will be far higher) dollars in debt in 10 years according to the CBO is fically irresponsible. And surely you can't beleive in the COLB that could easily have been faked!

Keep it up. Make more threats. Your deranged babbling, impotent, pathetic trolling, pathological lying and delusional anger just proves what you really are.

“It’s crazy,” said Janice Okubo, director of communications for the Hawaii Department of Health. “I don’t think anything is ever going to satisfy them.”

Okubo, who said that she gets weekly questions from Obama ‘Birthers’ that are “more like threats,” explained that the certificate of live birth reproduced by Obama’s campaign should have debunked the conspiracy theories. “If you were born in Bali, for example,” Okubo explained, “you could get a certificate from the state of Hawaii saying you were born in Bali. You could not get a certificate saying you were born in Honolulu. The state has to verify a fact like that for it to appear on the certificate.

http://washingtonindependent.com/51489/birther-…

OCD still kicking in?

“So until I see his long form proper/original BC then I have won!”

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ! ! ! !

What an idiot. Nice touch of arrogance coming from no one.

Most of these records are private records for any individual. You have no right to see Barack Obama's medical records, just like you have no right to see my medical records. The privacy of those records is protected by law for everyone, not just the President. He did not “have them sealed.”

We live in a democracy. If a candidate for political office fails to provide you with information you want — high school biology grade, Sunday School attendance record from the Third Grade, birth certificate, or penis size — you are entitled to express your displeasure by voting for someone else. You do not have a “right” to private records of a political candidate or office holder, unless a statute gives you that right. Your unsatisfied curiosity does not create a “right.”

I see, BW, you've got nothing to prove that Obama's not our legally elected President. Just the ramblings of a sad, sad excuse for a human being. You obviously haven't the intelligence to understand all the workings and how we got to this point, so I won't bother with the details. And, it's not only the COLB that states Obama was born in Hawaii, it's also the DoH. You just got trumped…again.

I have always been a supporter of our service men and women and if you were representative of the intelligence of our military, we would truly be in trouble.

Items 1 through 13 are private records of anyone. You do not have access to any of those for anyone you are not authorized to have access. He didn't have to “seal” them, they are already sealed.

Who really needs to see baptism records? What does that prove?

He has never been adopted, so he has no adoption records.

Items 14 and 15 are available- some online and some you would probably have to go pull them or be prepared to pay for the finding and copying- most places do that. What is undeniable is that you are verging on being a disgrace to the uniform you wear. Are your superiors aware of your continued disrespect of your Commander in Chief?

Careful . . . if you keep relying on facts instead of rhetoric, Sergeant BWhite might order you to do pushups.

Army Airborne, and you can't spell your own rank? Really?

Who is “Mr. Transpernecy”? Is he a seargeant?

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Are you practicing to be an identity thief?

“We the People”

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ! ! ! Holy crap. You don't have a right to jack squat, you insignificant troll.

Name all of the hospitals where every President was born before Carter. Hold them to your same bigoted standards.

Can't do it? Why not?

The best part is that you have regurgitated nearly every single bit of birfer stupidity that's been slung across the internet buying into every hoax hook, line and sinker.* And in the face of common sense and reasonable explanations, you slink off once again like a frightened coward. Your mental anguish from all of that rage and stupidity must be unbearable.

*Here's a great example illustrating your pathetic gullibility and lack of simple reasoning skills:

You claimed: “In an article, entitled, “Obama ‘Birther’ Row Rears Its Head Again,” Greg Milam, identified as a “U. S correspondent” for Sky News, the British version of Fox News, has just introduced a whole new reason for Obama not presenting his birth certificate to confirm his eligibility — it was burned in a fire! — poor Barack — everything seems to happen to him.”
- b-idiot-white

Really? Maybe you think that WND is actually a reputable and reliable news outfit and it never dawned on your little pinhead to question them.

Here's why that is SO funny:
So, did you hear the one about the Hawaiian State Records fire? That's funny – neither did Hawai'i. World Net Daily gets punked!

::::::::

Not content to lay low after accusing Newsweek of falsely calling him a Birther, Joseph “Mr. Mustache” Farah – grand poobah of World Net Daily – has informed us that those wacky people in Hawai'i have changed their story, yet again, as to why the President has the COLB that he does.

The United Kingdom's Sky News reported Saturday: “Authorities in Hawaii have provided an electronic record of Obama's birth because the paper copy was destroyed in a fire which wiped out much of the state's archives.”

Which is it?

Does Hawaii actually have an original long-form, paper birth certificate for Obama, or was it destroyed in a fire?

It seems the story is ever-changing.

The rest of the article is Mr. Farah covering old ground, capped of by his pontificating that this is yet another reason for President Obama to “come clean,” and “settle the controversy” by releasing a birth certificate that Mr. Farah can agree is genuine – warning that it may take a “public uprising” to make him comply.

But Mr. Farah really should have dug around before printing this. If he had, he'd have learned that there is no record of there having been a fire at Hawai'i's state records. NONE.

Where did Sky News get this “fact?” That's a good question – one most likely solved by our friends at Oh For Goodness Sake, who looked into the matter and found a spoof site was most likely to blame.

Obama, who claims that he was born in Honolulu in 1961, has now claimed that a hospital fire that occurred during the 1941 bombing destroyed his birth certificate.

…

“If you must blame someone for my not locating my birth certificate, blame Yokomoto and Tojo and Hirohito and the Japanese fleet that bombed Pearl Harbor. It's all their fault.”

Why would someone from Sky News print this as a fact? That is unknown at this time. It's possible the author was punked. It's also possible that the usual game of “telephone” that makes up so much of the internet has done its usual magic.

But the really delicious thing here is that, after schooling Andrew “Disco Baby” Breitbart about the “fundamental tenets” of journalism, Mr. Farah has seemingly broken one of the most important. He has clearly not checked his sources' veracity to make certain that he's actually reporting on something real, rather than something incredible someone heard but can't really confirm.

Namely, hearsay.

Not that I'd ever accuse a Birther of giving two pulls on a dead dog's ding* about the truth or facts, anyway. But it's somewhat sad to see Mr. Farah make such a crass mistake while crusading after the “truth” he thinks will set us all free. We will just have to see if and when he prints a retraction.

http://www.opednews.com/populum/diarypage.php?d…

Here's the original spoof that you also bought into like Farah because, well, if it's anti-Obama, you'll believe absolutely anything without a SHRED of common sense (not that you ever possessed that mental ability.

From The Spoof! Always there with the funniest spoof headlines:

Barack Obama Now Claims Hawaiian Birth Certificate Destroyed In Pearl Harbor Bombing

Written by Jalapenoman

Tags: Barack Obama, birth certificate, Pearl Harbor
Thursday, 14 January 2010

The destructive power of naval vessels extends 20 years into the future!

December 7th, 1941…the day that would live in infamy….the day that the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor….and apparently the day that President Barack Obama's birth certificate was destroyed in a hospital fire.

Obama, who claims that he was born in Honolulu in 1961, has now claimed that a hospital fire that occurred during the 1941 bombing destroyed his birth certificate.

“It was a war,” said the man who cannot prove his citizenship (which he once denied). “In the heat and carnage and disorganization of battle, many things are lost, misplaced, and destroyed. Records from ten and twenty and even fifty and a hundred years before were damaged or burnt. This left repercussions on the island that were (and are) still being felt and experienced two generations later.”

“If you must blame someone for my not locating my birth certificate, blame Yokomoto and Tojo and Hirohito and the Japanese fleet that bombed Pearl Harbor. It's all their fault.”

http://www.thespoof.com/news/spoof.cfm?headline…

Utter bullshit, and you know it. Stop lying.

Jesus, Mary, and Joseph, you really are far gone, aren’t you? Has your psychiatrist been notified?

Too bad the birfer can't squelch those twisted, delusional and perverted fantasies.

1. You misspelled “transparency.”

2. The President's poll numbers have stayed in the low to mid 50's for most of the last six months.

3. No one posted a doctored image of either the President's or his sister's birth certificate.

4. Foreign births registered in Hawaii indicate same on the certificate.

5. A certificate of foreign birth is not the same thing as a domestic birth certificate, as your own use of acronyms makes clear.

6. Your friend is not relevant.

7. The President could not possibly have attended any school as a foreign student because he was born in Hawaii.

8. Your opinion is not relevant.

Rasmussen has been tracking Republican for months. NONE of the other polls has Obama below 51% approval.

Try again, bigot boy.

As the Hawaiian authorities have clearly and repeatedly said, birth anywhere but Hawaii would be indicated on the birth certificate. Can't you read?

If you have sworn to uphold the Constitution, your current badmouthing and advocacy of the removal through extra-constitutional means of the legally elected and duly sworn President of the United States constitutes treason and oathbreaking. Please state the name of your unit so I can contact your CO and have you removed from duty before you adversely affect unit cohesion and infect your fellow soldiers with your poison.

If this individual is even in the military, which I doubt, he's probably one of those Oath Breaker loons. If he's an actual soldier, I'd give a great deal to have the name of his CO so he can be removed from active duty and court martialled for advocating treason.

If you're the Brad White I think you are, you are neither African American nor a “seargeant.” You're a Lumbee, and a private first class. You're also breaking your oath of service by means of your public statements about the President.

Keep it up, and there'll be an e-mail going out to your tribal chairman and the sergeant-at-arms on your base. They need to know what a vicious little racist is poisoning the ranks.

I know a woman who came here from the Philippines as a 15 year old in 1982 and she has a COFB from Hawaii.

Her COLB will state she was born in the Philippines, not Hawaii.

Don't lose sight of the fact that the issue is not whether a person can obtain a COLB. The issue is what the COLB actually says.

Besides if he was born in Kenya then he would not have a BC in Hawaii but would have a COLB in Hawaii which is exactly what his sister and him have!

You just don't seem to grasp the obvious, do you? The question isn't whether a person can obtain a COLB… it's what the COLB actually says.

When the COLB says a person was born on U.S. soil, it is essentially providing proof that the person is a natural born U.S. citizen, complete with all the rights commensurate with that status. As a result, that is not something done without a factual basis just because a person would like to have a COLB stating he or she was born in Hawaii for shits and giggles.

Anyone find it odd that Maya, undisputedly born in Indonesia, would have the same type of document as Barack Obama to forge?

Anyone find it odd that you can't ever seem to respond to the clear and obvious fact that a COLB cannot say a person was born in Hawaii if the facts indicated that person wasn't born in Hawaii?

It is obvious that Obama thought that he had to provide evidence of his birthplace to the public. Otherwise he would not have shown the COLB at all.

Now you're actually starting to make sense. Since we're having a reasonable discussion about motivations, consider this…

If Obama really didn't have a legitimate, state-issued document showing his birth in Hawaii, he could have always cleverly dismissed questions about his birth by dismissing it with a casual, “I'm not going to dignify that with a response.” The mainstream media would have accepted that response and moved on, and Obama still would have been elected President of the United States.

When people began to cook up conspiracy theories about the COLB posted on DailyKos or FightTheSmears, he could have easily said – “look, that's all she wrote, folks.” And the media would have accepted that, and Obama still would have been elected President. But, in an unprecedented gesture, he permitted FactCheck to photograph the document from multiple angles at high resolution, showing every bump and crease on the document.

Given Obama's clear option not to release anything at all, the alternative – cooking up forged documents (multiple times) which undoubtedly would be closely scrutinized by his implacable and determined opponents – simply wouldn't have made any rational sense.

The most obvious thing to do: Either provide a high quality scan in the first place or authorize the DoH and/or hospital to release the information. He could have allowed other media outlets see the physical copy of that document not just two people from FactCheck.

At the beginning, Obama obviously assumed that just producing a copy of his COLB online would be more than enough to answer questions about where he was born. After all, no one had ever done that before. He clearly had an expectation of privacy at the outset, hence the black box on the certification number.

When some people began to draw suspicion from the very fact that Obama hadn't released a sufficiently high-quality copy, or that he had nefariously “concealed” his certificate number, I don't think it was unreasonable for him to assume that high quality pictures permanently posted on the FactCheck site – without any boxes obscuring the document – would resolve the controversy.

The fact that it hasn't says a lot more about Obama's opponents than it does about Obama.

With you there, ellid. The only military action this one has seen is hiding under his bed when mommy calls. He definitely has proven that his unit can't trust him to do his job when called upon.

If you're so dumb you don't realize that the deficit stems from President Obama's PREDECESSOR and his ruinous policies, you are beyond help.

OK, now the latest from the Orly front…

Kreep and Orly are forced to work together, again! Grab the popcorn, this should be entertaining!

http://blogs.ocweekly.com/navelgazing/the-hilar…

And, she again proves she doesn't like black candidates and the Pubs will fall for her hook, line, and sinker. Wonder if there's enough time for the pubs to get a real candidate before they look even more foolish!

http://blogs.ocweekly.com/navelgazing/the-hilar…

<quote>All parties on a side are encouraged to join in a single brief to the greatest extent practicable.</quote>

This just may be the awesomest brief that any legal team has ever filed.

Wanna bet Orly files begging to be separated again? I know, that's a given. But, at least we get more filings from the batsh*t crazy front.

It's Kreep I almost feel sorry for! At least he is a real attorney that knows how to operate in court. He may still be an idiot, but he isn't as annoying as Oily with her nasty whiny voice. That voice could be used as a weapon. Maybe they should record her and use her to torture terrorists! Talk about cruel and unusual punishment!

I really enjoy when they try to pull that Philippines BS. My sister-in-law came from there and moved to Hawaii and met my brother when he was stationed there. Her COLB says she was born in the Philippines, of course. They act like nobody around has had actual life experience that proves their BS is just that, BS. But, onward they trudge, showing their blatant stupidity. So, I'll just give them their due…

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Obama had no choice, the pressure was mounting and he had to present some proof of eligibility. He could not have followed the scenario of ignoring the issue as you suggested.

His behavior does not make sense. The easiest way to prove the official story would have been an authorization for DoH and Kapiolani Hospital to show the original birth certificate to the public. Why did he have to involve the left wing web sites and low quality scans in the first place? It is a dumb thing to do, if you have nothing to hide.

On the other hand, if you have a willing media that will swallow anything just to get you elected – you can create an appearance of eligibility and not be challenged by the main stream media. His behavior makes sense only if he the official birth story is false.

Judging by the events during the last year, catching the fly during the interview was one of his major accomplishments.

You cannot get away with it so easily. If you accept Polarik’s word that the COLB (Michelle) he examined was an official one, you have to accept his word that document was printed on a very thin paper.

He said that he had not seen an official Hawaii COLB prior to that time.

So “pick your poison”:
1. Polarik is correct and the Michelle COLB document is a genuine one.
In this scenario good news for you would be the confirmation of the date format and the phrase used (Obama’s COLB would not stick out like a sore thumb). The bad news is the thin paper that would not hide the details in the scanned image of Obama’s COLB.

2. Ellid is correct when she said that COLB is printed on a thick paper.
Good news for you: The details from the back page may not have been seen in the scanned image.
Bad news – Polarik was duped and the Michelle COLB is a fake one, because of the incorrect paper used. That takes away the only other COLB that supports the date format and phrase seen on Obama’s COLB.

It’s “Polland,” not “Polarik.”

It’s “Polland,” not “Polarik.”

Your last paragraph makes no sense.

Your last paragraph makes no sense.

So, you’re not going to respond to my statement above NC? That statement that shows how Obama was being open and you were being dishonest? Isn’t it amazing how someone who claims our President isn’t being honest is the one who acts dishonest. BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

The statute is conveniently ignored when it comes to the release of information that could shed light on authenticity of Obama's COLB. The administrative rules used in publishing COLB are hidden from public. As you know most of the COLBs found on the web show the phrase “Accepted by State Registrar”. Why does DoH refuse to explain the difference between this phrase and the phrase “Filed by Registrar” found on the document published by the Obama campaign?

Don't we have the right to see documents Dr. Fukino used in preparation of her press release when she issued a legal statement that Obama was a natural-born American citizen?

Cool. You can pay me back in blank COLB forms if that’s o.k.

We’ve spotted another terrific candidate for the 2052 Presidential election.

I’m taking the FEMA Camp bus. The ACORN volunteers borrowed the subterranean rover again.

Cool. You can pay me back in blank COLB forms if that’s o.k.

We’ve spotted another terrific candidate for the 2052 Presidential election.

I’m taking the FEMA Camp bus. The ACORN volunteers borrowed the subterranean rover again.

Ellid, as far as posting the poll results it shows that he is losing support and popularity fast. Other polls have also shown that many people find that they do not beleive he is being honest, especially with the BC issue. If I was him I would be trying to be as honest and transperent as possible in an attempt to gain the peoples trust because once he loses it he will never get it back. Ellid, it looks like its Obama’s loss not mine.

Ellid, as far as posting the poll results it shows that he is losing support and popularity fast. Other polls have also shown that many people find that they do not beleive he is being honest, especially with the BC issue. If I was him I would be trying to be as honest and transperent as possible in an attempt to gain the peoples trust because once he loses it he will never get it back. Ellid, it looks like its Obama’s loss not mine.

Ranking of Obama's supporters who frequently post on this web site:

Basement level (attack dogs): It is a tie between Ellid and MakeThePie..
For most part their posts are waste of the Internet bandwidth. Only interested in mud slinging and personal insults.

Level two Obama eligibility issue support: Jim
Oscillates between the attack dog mode and somewhat reasonable posts.

Level three… : Bearclaw
Most of the time reasonable posts with an occasional slip below the level that one would expect from someone claiming to have been a CA Supreme Court clerk.

Top level Obama supporter: John_C
Most of the time thoughtful posts, does not use personal attacks as a crutch for his arguments.

1. Where is the supporting documentation for her statement? According to Hawaii laws she must release documents used in the preparation of a legal opinion issued to the public.

2. I could be a “natural-born American citizen” too: Split the phrase in two parts using the word American as a separator.

natural-born (natural birth)
American citizen (US naturalized citizen)

Why does Dr. Fukino use this kind of misleading language?
She could have used the phrase as it is written in the Constitution (natural born citizen), if that was her intention. After all she was issuing a press-release, she had enough time to formulate those few sentences.

And as I pointed out before, *Rasmussen is the exception*. All the other major polls, without exception, show the President has not lost any ground in recent months, or has gained a few percentage points.

And as I pointed out before, *Rasmussen is the exception*. All the other major polls, without exception, show the President has not lost any ground in recent months, or has gained a few percentage points.

Plenty of facts indicate that Obama was not born in Hawaii yet that is the official story and he is sticking to it.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/3/8/843995/-Rasmussen-vs.-Everybody-Else

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/3/8/843995/-Rasmussen-vs.-Everybody-Else

How did the DoH verify registration of unattended births in 1961? Did they rely on a person's word or was there a formal investigation launched to verify the claim?

As if it weren’t obvious enough to sane people, but the administration’s politics and the President’s popularity ratings have absolutely nothing to do with the fact that our President is a legally elected, natural born citizen of the U.S.

Flinging non-sequiturs and changing the subject is an all too common birfer tactic when they can’t handle the truth about eligibility. It continues to show the birfer’s utter contempt for our laws and disrespect for our system of government. Birfers are a sad, desperate and pathetic bunch.

As if it weren’t obvious enough to sane people, but the administration’s politics and the President’s popularity ratings have absolutely nothing to do with the fact that our President is a legally elected, natural born citizen of the U.S.

Flinging non-sequiturs and changing the subject is an all too common birfer tactic when they can’t handle the truth about eligibility. It continues to show the birfer’s utter contempt for our laws and disrespect for our system of government. Birfers are a sad, desperate and pathetic bunch.

I’ll have my minions wash the Batmobile.

I’ll have my minions wash the Batmobile.

Irrelevant since the President was born in a hospital and delivered by a doctor.

Irrelevant since the President was born in a hospital and delivered by a doctor.

I think the strategy of bringing up fringe elements and forcing right-wing candidates to address them is brilliant. Democrats should employ this in their campaigns this year, and if their candidate ignores the conspiracies, address the embrace by GOP elite… hopefully, enough intelligent independents will choose who is best at the polls.

I think the strategy of bringing up fringe elements and forcing right-wing candidates to address them is brilliant. Democrats should employ this in their campaigns this year, and if their candidate ignores the conspiracies, address the embrace by GOP elite… hopefully, enough intelligent independents will choose who is best at the polls.

As in Scott Rasmussen, who wrote a column for the birfer website, WorldNetDaily. (Source: http://70.85.195.205/news/archives.asp?AUTHOR_ID=14) Read Rasmussen’s many pro-Republican, pro-Bush editorials.

Rasmussen’s firm was paid $95,500 by the Republican National Committee and $45,500 by the George W. Bush presidential campaign in 2003-4.
(Source: http://projects.publicintegrity.org/consultants/list.aspx?act=conDetail&id=122002)

As in Scott Rasmussen, who wrote a column for the birfer website, WorldNetDaily. (Source: http://70.85.195.205/news/archives.asp?AUTHOR_ID=14) Read Rasmussen’s many pro-Republican, pro-Bush editorials.

Rasmussen’s firm was paid $95,500 by the Republican National Committee and $45,500 by the George W. Bush presidential campaign in 2003-4.
(Source: http://projects.publicintegrity.org/consultants/list.aspx?act=conDetail&id=122002)

If we can agree that Obama’s father, a citizen of Kenya, then a British colony, was a British subject at the time of his birth, a fact that Obama himself has attested to on numerous occasions, it is evident that, under Part 2, Section 5[1] of the British Nationality Act of 1948, Obama was born with automatic British citizenship “by decent” from his father. Thus, it is an inescapable fact that Obama held dual US-British citizenship from the date of his birth, August 4, 1961, until December 12, 1963, the day that Kenya won its independence from Great Britain…. Barack Obama is clearly not a “natural born” U.S. citizens and is, therefore, ineligible to serve in the office he occupies.

As I have pointed out repeatedly, even if Obama’s father had naturalized as a U.S. citizen prior to Obama being born, and he had had two citizen parents at birth, he still would have had UK citizenship, because UK citizenship must be renounced directly to UK authorities, and is not implied by taking on the citizenship of another country.

By your argument (or that of whomever you cut and pasted from), any person who could obtain dual citizenship from a parent could not be a natural born citizen. And as I have already pointed out, if such were actually the rule, then there would not have been a President James Buchanan, a President Andrew Johnson, or a President Chester Arthur. Since they obviously became president and remained in office without issue, one can infer your theory (or your source’s theory) doesn’t have any merit.

If we can agree that Obama’s father, a citizen of Kenya, then a British colony, was a British subject at the time of his birth, a fact that Obama himself has attested to on numerous occasions, it is evident that, under Part 2, Section 5[1] of the British Nationality Act of 1948, Obama was born with automatic British citizenship “by decent” from his father. Thus, it is an inescapable fact that Obama held dual US-British citizenship from the date of his birth, August 4, 1961, until December 12, 1963, the day that Kenya won its independence from Great Britain…. Barack Obama is clearly not a “natural born” U.S. citizens and is, therefore, ineligible to serve in the office he occupies.

As I have pointed out repeatedly, even if Obama’s father had naturalized as a U.S. citizen prior to Obama being born, and he had had two citizen parents at birth, he still would have had UK citizenship, because UK citizenship must be renounced directly to UK authorities, and is not implied by taking on the citizenship of another country.

By your argument (or that of whomever you cut and pasted from), any person who could obtain dual citizenship from a parent could not be a natural born citizen. And as I have already pointed out, if such were actually the rule, then there would not have been a President James Buchanan, a President Andrew Johnson, or a President Chester Arthur. Since they obviously became president and remained in office without issue, one can infer your theory (or your source’s theory) doesn’t have any merit.

Obama had no choice, the pressure was mounting and he had to present some proof of eligibility. He could not have followed the scenario of ignoring the issue as you suggested.

Utter baloney. If Obama had brushed off demands to see his birth certificate, only committed Obama opponents and conspiracy-mongers would have been upset.

Look at it this way – according to you, Obama never released his “long-form” birth certificate (and therefore never resolved “questions” about his birthplace), instead releasing a “clearly” “forged” short-form certificate on the web. But despite the fact that all of this was out there by Election Day 2008, Senator Obama got elected president by the largest margin in over a decade.

That should be enough to demonstrate that the vast majority of voters were simply not taken with this issue. If Obama wanted to ignore this issue altogether, he could have done so, with negligible impact on his campaign. No sane person would risk such a position by releasing forged documents that could be viewed by anyone with a web connection. It just doesn’t make the slightest sense.

Be careful what you wish for as numerous polls show that many people see this as a hot button issue well as the more people who research the facts will soon see that Obama HAS NOT SHOWN HIS ORIGINAL BC no matter how you Obots paint it!!!!!! ps- The COLB you believe was a HOAX!

Be careful what you wish for as numerous polls show that many people see this as a hot button issue well as the more people who research the facts will soon see that Obama HAS NOT SHOWN HIS ORIGINAL BC no matter how you Obots paint it!!!!!! ps- The COLB you believe was a HOAX!

Prove it by showing a judge and jury his original BC. Currently there are three separate court cases on this issue. In NONE of them have Obama’s lawyers who are illegally working out of the Justice Dept shown any proof of a BC. They can only argue that the plantiffs have no standing which is BS! You need to ask why is he using millions of dollars of lawyers to hide his BC!!!!!

Prove it by showing a judge and jury his original BC. Currently there are three separate court cases on this issue. In NONE of them have Obama’s lawyers who are illegally working out of the Justice Dept shown any proof of a BC. They can only argue that the plantiffs have no standing which is BS! You need to ask why is he using millions of dollars of lawyers to hide his BC!!!!!

You cannot get away with it so easily. If you accept Polarik’s word that the COLB (Michelle) he examined was an official one, you have to accept his word that document was printed on a very thin paper.

I think you’re confusing ellid’s argument as my own. If Polarik said the COLB paper was thin, fine. But that doesn’t change the fact that there are other COLBs out there which have no visible bleed-through at all – less than Obama’s COLB. There are two explanations for this:

(1) The DoH does not consistently use the same thickness of paper, or apply the stamps in a uniform way (i.e. force used in applying stamp, amount of ink on stamp, etc.).

(2) Only the COLBs with bleed-through are legitimate, and the others are forged.

I’ll take (1). You’re free to believe whatever you like.

You cannot get away with it so easily. If you accept Polarik’s word that the COLB (Michelle) he examined was an official one, you have to accept his word that document was printed on a very thin paper.

I think you’re confusing ellid’s argument as my own. If Polarik said the COLB paper was thin, fine. But that doesn’t change the fact that there are other COLBs out there which have no visible bleed-through at all – less than Obama’s COLB. There are two explanations for this:

(1) The DoH does not consistently use the same thickness of paper, or apply the stamps in a uniform way (i.e. force used in applying stamp, amount of ink on stamp, etc.).

(2) Only the COLBs with bleed-through are legitimate, and the others are forged.

I’ll take (1). You’re free to believe whatever you like.

This from rasmussen.com clearly showing that the polling is very accurate and far more trustworthy than a photoshopped COLB.

“Data from the Washington Post confirms that Rasmussen Reports was well ahead of other media coverage on the Massachusetts Senate race.

In the 2009 New Jersey Governor’s race, automated polls tended to be more accurate than operator-assisted polling techniques. On reviewing the state polling results from 2009, Mickey Kaus offered this assessment, “If you have a choice between Rasmussen and, say, the prestigious N.Y. Times, go with Rasmussen!”

During Election 2008, liberal blogger Nate Silver said that the Rasmussen tracking poll “would probably be the one I’d want with me on a desert island.”

In 2008, Obama won 53%-46% and our final poll showed Obama winning 52% to 46%. While we were pleased with the final result, Rasmussen Reports was especially pleased with the stability of our results. On every single day for the last six weeks of the campaign, our daily tracking showed Obama with a stable and solid lead attracting more than 50% of the vote.

In 2004 George W. Bush received 50.7% of the vote while John Kerry earned 48.3%. Rasmussen Reports was the only firm to project both candidates’ totals within half a percentage point by projecting that Bush would win 50.2% to 48.5%

My words:
Todays presidential poll by rasmussen has Obama at 22% who strongly approve of him of which I think I found them all on this site. As you see Rasmussen may lean Repulican but he does not show bias unlike the normal liberal polls that got the past three major electiosn wrong! See Virginia/NJ Gov race as well as Mass Senate race.

The birth certificate was not faked. Scott Rasmussen is a paid Republican consultant whose polls are notorious for trending Republican. You are an idiot who is coming very close to advocating treason if you are actually in the military at all, which I highly doubt.

Wrong.

Why aren’t you on duty, soldier-boy? Does your CO know you’re advocating treason?

1. There are a couple of cases on appeal. There is no chance that any of them will advance because the President has satisfied all legal requirements for office by producing his birth certificate.

2. The birth certificate was produced over a year ago.

3. Court costs to the President have been a few thousand, not millions, with many being borne by the plaintiffs since they have all lost.

4. Legal standing to bring suit is relevant. Maybe you should ask a legalman or someone from your post JAG office before spouting off about things you don’t understand.

5. The birth certificate was not a hoax.

There have been several stories on Daily Kos about this, including one earlier this week showing that Rasmussen was noticeably off from every other poll. At this point their credibility is not of the best, which is not surprising if their founder was actually stupid enough to write for WND.

Treason is what the occupant of the Whitehouse is doing or is that Usurping? I and many others are only questioning his legitimacy as he has not shown a long form BC yet only a COLB that was NOT verified by the State of Hawaii. I also see that you are getting a little nasty which seems to happen when someone is losing thier side of an argument.

Ranking the birthers:

Lowest – truepatriotfreethinker and his numerous pseudonyms for racism, bad grammar and sheer hysteria.

Most annoying – naturalizedcitizen, who is not only consistently wrong, but a repetitive, longwinded liar.

Dumbest – Obamacornlies. Also has the worst icon and seems most in need of medication.

Least coherent – bb, who seemed to be an escapee from a Dr. Bronner's label.

Overall worst – Borderraven, who not only is constantly wrong, but seemingly can't read.

Anyone else have suggestions?

There is not a single scrap of credible evidence that the President was born anywhere but Honolulu.

You're a natural born citizen of whatever war-torn little princedom is unfortunate enough to claim you. The President is a natural born citizen of the United States. You clearly loathe him, but all your hair splitting won't change this.

No, you don't.

It's like the people who blithely claim that a COLB can't be used to get a passport, job, or driver's license. I love pointing that I have one of those, and have used it for exactly those purposes.

Not just one judge. The Ninth Circuit will have a panel of three judges for oral argument. Appellate oral argument is under rather tight wraps: each side gets a specific amount of time for argument (Orly and Kreep will have to divide their time), and the attorneys address the court from a lectern, one at a time. Orly isn’t going to get an hours-long hearing, as she did in U.S. District Court. And if Gary Kreep shows up an hour late for argument, as he did in front of Judge Carter, he probably won’t get to speak at all.

Also, the Ninth Circuit posts audio files of oral argument the day after argument. So we don’t just get a transcript — we get to hear it!

It's even funnier. They think that Senators and the President are blindly given national secrets without a thorough background check and Obama's passport was given to him without ID (his BC). They really have a very naive and totally incorrect view of how things work in this country.

Hypocrite.

Let's at least get the phrase correct moron. It's not natural-born American citizen, it's Natural Born citizen. Splitting hairs, as you like to do with a grade-school understanding of the English language, at least deserves you to get the phrase correct as it's spelled out in the Constitution. BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Facts without proof are fiction. Go ahead though, we could use another laugh. List all your facts that Obama was not born in Hawaii. Then we'll list all the facts that he WAS born in Hawaii, along with the proof to back it up. Then we'll just let the reader decide. That's the American way. Let the voter decide.

Of course, now that you've made your statement and been challenged, you'll go back into hiding and avoid it. It is your usual MO. (Method of Operation in case they didn't teach that to you in your ESL class).

Sorry, NC, I’m not going to play “Twenty Questions” with you. You ask the same questions over and over. Your questions have been answered over and over. Apparently, you don’t like the answers. Fine. As I said months ago, if you still believe you have a legal right to see certain documents, ask the State of Hawaii for them. If the State of Hawaii won’t provide them, then sue the State of Hawaii.

*yawn*

I’ve seen it all, soldier-boy, and there isn’t a scrap of truth in the bullshit you’re peddling. The President was legitimately elected, his birth certificate was not faked, and you’re skating a very fine line between spouting off on the Internet and being hauled off to the Provost Marshal’s office for a lecture on why military personnel aren’t allowed to diss the CIC in public.

DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH
News Release
LINDA LINGLE
GOVERNOR
_________________________________________________________________________________________________________
CHIYOME LEINAALA FUKINO M.D.
DIRECTOR
Phone: (808) xxx-xxxx
Fax: (808) xxx-xxxx
_________________________________________________________________________________________________________
For Immediate Release: July 27, 2009 09-063
STATEMENT BY HEALTH DIRECTOR CHIYOME FUKINO, M.D.
“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawai?i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai‘i State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai‘i and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago.”

Emphasized excerpt once again for the terminally stupid:

” . . . verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai‘i and is a natural-born American citizen.”
- Chiyome Leinaala Fukino M.D., Director, Department of Health, State of Hawai’i, 07/07/09.

RASMUSSEN:

Obama Approval Index: -21 (matches lowest yet)

Strongly Approve 22% (matches lowest yet)

Strongly Disapprove 43%

Total Approval 43% (matches lowest yet)

An unscientific CBS News poll evaluating President Obama's first year in office gives him – by an overwhelming margin – a failing grade.

In the poll, which has been online for several weeks and has attracted thousands of comments, not even 3 percent of the respondents grade Obama with an “A,” barely another 3 percent give him a “B” and about 4 percent give him a “C.”

Almost 26 percent give him a “D” and more than 63 percent him an “F.”

Said one person on the poll's comments section: “Obama may be a Harvard Law School graduate, but when it comes to common sense, he must of skipped that class, or failed it miserably.

“His problem is that because he doesn't really have any lead[er]ship ability or experiance (sic), he leaves it up to others to make the decisions. Why do you think this whole Health Care Bill is in such trouble, he left it to a bunch of First Class Idiots to compose, and it is so bad they had to buy votes to get it passed in both the House & Senate.”

The poll explains CBS is “giving you the chance to weigh in on how you think he has done on the job.” Readers are asked to choose a grade from an “A” to “F' scale. The 10 categories are economy, foreign policy, health care, Afghanistan, Iraq, threat of terror, energy and environment, social issues, bipartisanship and overall.

The results showed Americans believe Obama is moving the nation in the wrong direction on every count.

I'm going out for fresh mud. Need anything? ; )

I have discussed this issue with the Provost Marshall as we went to Airborne School together many years ago. He knows there is something fishy here as absolutely no Secretaries of State confirmed Obama’s legitimacy. If I was ever “brought up on charges” I would sue to see his real BC as I would have standing then. Besides, the vast majority of the military are questioning this issue as we had an oath to swear. Obama did NOT take the oath as the sentence referring to the Constitution was taken out of his oath. I will post that next.

WASHINGTON (AP) – Major business groups say President Barack Obama’s health care overhaul is a job killer, and they’re launching a multimillion-dollar ad campaign to take that message to voters.

The U.S. Chamber of Commerce, the National Association of Manufacturers, and groups ranging from contractors to retailers said Tuesday the Democratic health care bills would raise their expenses, while failing to control health care costs.

Advertisements will start airing nationwide Wednesday on cable television and shift in a few days to 17 states, targeting moderate and conservative Democrats whose votes are critical to passing the bill in the House. The campaign is estimated to cost between $4 million and $10 million, with the insurance industry paying part of the cost.

To the Obuma supporters, Man the life boats as the USS Obuma is going down. The last thing I would worry about if I was you guys is his birth status as you guys sticking up for him should beg him to release his long form BC to finally put this to rest before his poll numbers stop circling the drain and go DOWN the drain!!!!!!

Oops, double post.

He knows there is something fishy here as absolutely no Secretaries of State confirmed Obama’s legitimacy.

What is that supposed to mean? Is there some sort of heretofore unrevealed practice by which a Secretary of State is supposed to confirm a president’s legitimacy? Isn’t the fact that the Secretary of State was willing to serve for the president implicit acceptance of his legitimacy?

Obama did NOT take the oath as the sentence referring to the Constitution was taken out of his oath.

Baloney. Justice Roberts screwed up the administration of the oath on January 20, 2009. To dispel any hint of a doubt, the oath was carefully and flawlessly readministered on January 21, 2009. Case closed.

So in other words, you don’t like the President.

Who cares?

Birthers have yet to produce one single, solitary shred of evidence that Obama was born anywhere else BUT Honolulu while Obama has a valid, state-issued, stamped and certified COLB issued by the state of Hawaii, as well as two statements issued by Chiyome Fukino where she states unequivocally that Obama was born in Hawaii.

Meanwhile, you guys are so far off on the lunatic fringe that even Glenn Beck thinks you’re a bunch of nuts (maybe even a part of this OLIGARHY that he seems to be so afraid of). Redstate has banned birthers from its site entirely. Hell, you birthers are such a damn joke that they wouldn’t even give you fruitcakes a panel at CPAC.

Let that sink in for a minute…

CPAC, the extreme far-rightwing-fringiest-of-the-fringe conservative conventions wants nothing to do with you people. The organizers of the world’s foremost anti-gay, anti-immigrant, anti-evolution, anti-intellectual Obama hatefest don’t want the birthers there because even they think you’re an embarrassment.

But please, keep deluding yourselves that you’ll have your day in court. Keep deluding yourselves into believing that you don’t actually need any evidence to back up any of your claims. Keep deluding yourselves that some day, a “brave federal judge” will decide to completely and totally ignore the Constitution and that pesky “case or controversy” requirement of Article III and let the birthers use the federal court system to tell the world how butthurt they are because their guy didn’t win. Keep deluding yourselves into believing that the Supreme Court will finally decide to grant cert to a birther case (after refusing to grant cert for all of those other cases) and hold that Swiss philosophy (and not English Common Law, the Constitution, and Supreme Court precedent) is the law of the land.

Most importantly, keep deluding yourselves into thinking that you are anything but a bunch of ignorant, moonbat, knuckle-dragging, tinfoil hat-wearing, conspiracy-obsessed nutjobs who wouldn’t know what was in the Constitution if it grew a pair of lips and read itself aloud to you. After all, even Glenn Beck can use a laugh now and then.

Obama HAS NOT SHOWN HIS ORIGINAL BC

Hawaii law expressly gives a certified copy of a birth certificate exactly the same legal effect as the original. President Obama’s COLB is therefore the legal equivalent of the original birth certificate – i.e. it is a birth certificate. The original birth certificate, while perhaps of personal interest to you, is legally and factually redundant.

The COLB you believe was a HOAX!

Well that just cleared it all up for me, thanks.

If we can agree that Obama’s father, a citizen of Kenya, then a British colony, was a British subject at the time of his birth, a fact that Obama himself has attested to on numerous occasions, it is evident that, under Part 2, Section 5[1] of the British Nationality Act of 1948, Obama was born with automatic British citizenship “by decent” from his father. Thus, it is an inescapable fact that Obama held dual US-British citizenship from the date of his birth, August 4, 1961, until December 12, 1963, the day that Kenya won its independence from Great Britain.

However, Article VI, Section 87[3](2) of the Kenyan Constitution states that “Every person who, having been born outside Kenya, is on 11th December, 1963 a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies (Obama Jr.), or a British protected person, shall, if his father becomes, or would but for his death have become a citizen of Kenya by virtue of subsection (1), become a citizen of Kenya on 12th December, 1963.”

Therefore, setting aside the possibility that Obama MAY HAVE acquired Indonesian citizenship when his mother married Indonesian Lolo Soetoro and moved to Jakarta in 1967, it is clear that Obama held dual US-Kenyan citizenship from December 12, 1963, the date of Kenyan independence, until at least his 21st birthday on August 4, 1982, when he claims to have been a student at Columbia University in New York.

In either event, Barack Obama is clearly not a “natural born” U.S. citizens and is, therefore, ineligible to serve in the office he occupies. So how did we manage to get ourselves into this mess? Three successive systemic failures combined to provide us with a usurper president.

The first failure occurred in Denver, Colorado during the last week of August 2008 when Democrats met to nominate candidates for president and vice president. The delegates to that convention had an obligation to put before the American people fully qualified candidates for our nation’s two highest offices. They did not live up to that responsibility. Instead, they certified to the states a candidate for president who was, and is, ineligible to serve in that office.

The second failure occurred on December 15, 2008 when the Electoral College met to elect a president and vice president. In Federalist Paper No. 68, Alexander Hamilton referred to the “investigation” necessary to the selection of a president and vice president. In describing the duties of the Electoral College, he said, “A small number of persons, selected by their fellow citizens from the general mass, will be most likely to possess the information and discernment requisite to so complicated an investigation.”

Although the Democratic members of the 2008 Electoral College were forewarned that Obama may not possess the necessary qualifications, they were apparently so anxious to regain control of the White House that they simply ignored their constitutional obligation to select a candidate who was fully qualified to serve.

The third and final failure occurred on January 8, 2009 when the Congress met in joint session to certify the vote of the Electoral College. As the final and failsafe step in the electoral process, the Congress had the duty to insure themselves of the qualifications of Barack Obama and Joe Biden… which they failed to do.

So where does this leave us? Obama Kool-Ade drinkers, and Democrats in general, are blithely dismissive. Their view is that the people have spoken; they went to the polls and voted, so that’s it… leave it alone. Article II, Section 4 of the Constitution be damned. But that cannot be the case.

Oh boy! Anti-birther party! I’ll get the first round.

These Progressive/Socialist/Marxists have gone a bridge too far in the disgraceful and unconstitutional 2008 election. This will not stand.

Political ideology, of course, is not relevant to whether a person is entitled to serve as President of the United States. See, e.g., United States Constitution; see also the 27 amendments to the United States Constitution. Take your political rants elsewhere.

We the People will not permit it.

I love this “We the People” crap. How about your “We the People” take it outside with our “We the People”?

Obama and Congress filed their opposition brief in the Kerchner v. Obama & Congress lawsuit in the U.S. 3rd Circuit Court of Appeals in Philadelphia,PA. The roughly 20-page opposition brief was filed in response to Kerchner’s 115-page appeal. From Commander Kerchner:

What a lame and empty defense. Basically they’re saying Obama and Congress can totally ignore the U.S. Constitution and there is nothing We the People can legally do about it. No one has standing to right the wrong when Obama & Congress illegally violate Article II of the Constitution and seat illegally an ineligible person as President and Commander in Chief of our vast military power. We the People created the federal government and We the People are going to fix this totally broken and runaway federal government. These Progressive/Socialist/Marxists have gone a bridge too far in the disgraceful and unconstitutional 2008 election. This will not stand. We the People will not permit it.

On its face, the Department of Justice’s opposition brief looks like lazy lawyering–basically relying on “everyone else dismissed the case, you should too”, aka, ‘everyone else ignored the information Constitution and so should you”. DOJ focused primarily on the issue of standing, arguing the same old lazy line that the plaintiffs did not prove a particularized injury and that the Court had no jurisdiction anyway. Lame indeed.

To all you pro-Obuma kool aid drinking, bong smokers. The Justice Dept which should not even be involved with this case is trying to to get this case dismissed because of standing. Wouldn't it be easier just to provide the proper paper work? This to me is absolute total proof that Obuma is hiding something!!!!!!

To the Obuma supporters, Man the life boats as the USS Obuma is going down.

If you can’t even get the name of the President of the United States right, why should we waste our time on your ruminations?

Which she won’t, because she knows she hasn’t a leg to stand on. This is all she has left.

Barack Obama was born in Hawaii, making him a natural born citizen of the US. Since the laws of other countries do not control US citizenship, the ability of a US citizen to claim citizenship in another country does not affect US citizenship in any way. It's funny how birthers are so eager to sublimate our laws to those of other countries. Usually, those on the right are hypersensitive about US sovereignty. But they'll make an exception if they can just get that scary black man out of the White House.

Of course the plaintiff is going to decry the defense brief. Did you expect anything else?

Please do not cut and paste someone else's work without attribution. Thank you.

Please indicate where the wire service story ends and your own opinion begins. Thank you.

Please provide a link to this alleged poll, and the date. Thank you.

Rasmussen tracks Republican, as anyone with a brain knows. All the other major polls, without exception, show the President holding steady or gaining a few points, with an average approval rating in the mid-50s.

Yogurt, cat food, and a quart of milk. I'll pay you back at the Fortress of Solitude, okay?

This from Newsweek:

Harvard's Institute of Politics released the latest results from its ongoing survey of young adults this morning, and they don't look good for Democrats. As in the rest of the population, President Obama remains personally popular (56 percent approval), but support for his individual initiatives, like health-care reform, is much weaker. Only 38 percent of young people (defined as 18- to 29-year-olds) approve of the president's handling of the deficit, and a majority disapprove of his economic management (51 percent) and his work on health care (53 percent). Young people are unimpressed with congressional Democrats, with only 42 percent approving of their performance. That's still higher than for congressional Republicans—who have a mere 35 percent approval rating—but Democratic approval is down 6 points since last November, which is a worrying trend going into the midterms.

I feel sorry for the judge. Can you imagine what that courtroom is going to be like when they all cut loose at once?

Rasmussen daily presidential poll:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/…

Please state what relevance this has to the President's eligibility for office. Thank you.

As is Scott Rasmussen, who wrote a column for the birfer website, WorldNetDaily.

Rasmussen's firm was paid $95,500 by the Republican National Committee and $45,500 by the George W. Bush presidential campaign in 2003-4.

I listened to the Inauguration and you are flat-out LYING. The President most certainly DID take the complete oath of office, TWICE.

As for Rasmussen: http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/3/8/843995/-Rasmussen-vs.-Everybody-Else.

And as for your claim to have spoken to the Provost Marshal, I think it’s as true as your claim to be African-American.

Rasmussen is also the most accurate poll out there and even Gallup has O at 49% and sinking today.

Rasmussen’s Republican bias is so well known that it was mentioned on the radio today. They’ve been doing this for months, per this most instructive article:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/3/8/843995/-Rasmussen-vs.-Everybody-Else

I believe that there is audio of both oath-taking ceremonies as well.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/3/8/843995/-Rasmussen-vs.-Everybody-Else

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/3/8/843995/-Rasmussen-vs.-Everybody-Else

Rasmussen’s bias:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/3/8/843995/-Rasmussen-vs.-Everybody-Else

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/3/8/843995/-Rasmussen-vs.-Everybody-Else

NC, below you made the statement…

“Plenty of facts indicate that Obama was not born in Hawaii yet that is the official story and he is sticking to it.”

I then responded by asking for you to list the facts that you think show Obama was NOT born in Hawaii. You have not responded.

Do you now wish to retract your statement?

Plenty of facts indicate that Obama was not born in Hawaii yet that is the official story and he is sticking to it.

That’s an evasion of the issue I am specifically referring to.

We are constantly subjected to the argument that Obama was (or could be) foreign-born because he has a COLB (just like his sister, who has a COLB and was born in Indonesia).

Since no one is willing to claim that the COLB doesn’t actually state that Obama was born in Hawaii, the implicit argument being made is that the DoH can issue a COLB stating the person was born in Hawaii even if it has a birth certificate on file stating the person was not born in Hawaii.

That doesn’t make any sense for a document which is to be received as “prima facie evidence” of the fact of one’s birth in a court of law. More important, no one has ever offered a single law, practice, guideline, ruling, or opinion which explicitly or implicitly permits or enables that to occur.

Every time I point this out, either I don’t get a response from the person, or they change the subject. I think that speaks for itself.

So you think the issue of “standing” is BS?

Do you think that unelected federal judges should have the authority to remove a sitting President from office? If so, where in the Constitution does it give the Supreme Court or any other federal court that authority? The Constitution I read says that a sitting President can be removed from office in one way only: impeachment in the House of Representatives, followed by trial and conviction in the Senate. The only role the Supreme Court has in that is that the Chief Justice presides over the trial in the Senate (but has no vote).

If you think the Supreme Court should have that authority, keep in mind that the decisions of the Supreme Court are final. For example, all it would take is five unelected liberal Justices to remove a President from office. Even if the grounds were bogus, the decision is final and unreviewable.

Still want the federal courts messing in this area?

Also, the Ninth Circuit posts audio files of oral argument the day after argument. So we don’t just get a transcript — we get to hear it!

*cue uncontrollable, side-splitting laughter*

Also, the Ninth Circuit posts audio files of oral argument the day after argument. So we don’t just get a transcript — we get to hear it!

*cue uncontrollable, side-splitting laughter*

Also, the Ninth Circuit posts audio files of oral argument the day after argument. So we don’t just get a transcript — we get to hear it!

*cue uncontrollable, side-splitting laughter*

AUDIO: Obama retakes oath of office

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0109/17778.html

President Barack Obama took the oath of office for a second time Wednesday night, a precautionary measure taken the day after Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts flubbed the oath on the Capitol steps.

Roberts came down to the White House and put on his black robe on Obama’s first full day in office for an unprecedented do-over at 7:35 in the Map Room

Obama joked about the turn of events.

“We decided it was so much fun . . . ” he said while awaiting Roberts.

When the Chief Justice asked if Obama was ready, the president cracked: “I am, and we’re going to do it very slowly.”

This time, the recitation jibed perfectly with the prescribed oath and took 25 seconds. Obama raised his right hand and kept his left at his side.

President Barack Obama 2009 Inauguration and Address:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjnygQ02aW4

AUDIO: Obama retakes oath of office

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0109/17778.html

President Barack Obama took the oath of office for a second time Wednesday night, a precautionary measure taken the day after Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts flubbed the oath on the Capitol steps.

Roberts came down to the White House and put on his black robe on Obama’s first full day in office for an unprecedented do-over at 7:35 in the Map Room

Obama joked about the turn of events.

“We decided it was so much fun . . . ” he said while awaiting Roberts.

When the Chief Justice asked if Obama was ready, the president cracked: “I am, and we’re going to do it very slowly.”

This time, the recitation jibed perfectly with the prescribed oath and took 25 seconds. Obama raised his right hand and kept his left at his side.

President Barack Obama 2009 Inauguration and Address:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjnygQ02aW4

Actually, our “We the People” already “took it outside” with his “We the People.” Our “We the People” cast 69,456,897 votes. How many did his “We the People” cast?

Actually, our “We the People” already “took it outside” with his “We the People.” Our “We the People” cast 69,456,897 votes. How many did his “We the People” cast?

Actually, our “We the People” already “took it outside” with his “We the People.” Our “We the People” cast 69,456,897 votes. How many did his “We the People” cast?

BeVeryWhite and the Provost Marshall know there's “something fishy here” .
The tinfoil hat you're wearing is from the neighbor's fish dinner last night—so you're right about the fishy smell: it's coming from your head!

Re: His “people”

I don't think sock puppets are eligible to vote unless he held an extra, super special, secret election inside the steamer trunk with at least a dozen hand stuffed, roadkill trophies as legal witnesses. It's all legit because they have those magical marbles put in place of eyes. They read his thoughts and tell him to keep lighting fires to keep the bad voices away.

“Obama did NOT take the oath as the sentence referring to the Constitution was taken out of his oath.”

Wow. The sentence referring to the Constitution was taken out of his oath!!! That doesn't leave much, given that the Presidential oath of office prescribed by Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution is only one sentence to begin with:

“I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.”

Do you realize what a complete idiot you are?

Oh, one more thing, you goddamn liar:

It's spelled “Marshal,” not “Marshall.”

You can go back to playing Squad Leader and masturbating to a poster of Chuck Norris now.

Sounds like the moron who tried to tell me that there were “secret clauses” in the ERA that made it a Very Bad Idea for a naive young girl like me. He didn't shut up until my boyfriend told him that I was right, he was wrong, and he was making a fool of himself.

Then again, we're talking about someone who would try to line-jump on a Saturday night by telling the hostess that he was a diabetic (true) and about to go into a coma if he didn't eat (false). I wish I'd had a camera the night a hostess with a two hour line told him that in that case he should go to one of other places in Harvard Square because they didn't allow line jumping…

Please tell me Quentin Tarantino is writing the script for this.

Thanks!!!

I will treasure forever that mental image of “seargeant” BWhite.

It seemed, last time I checked, like you were making some progress by demonstrating that “natural born subject” was a well understood term in British law (and the colonies), and required only being born in the country.

The best I can do is present the legal and historical record in the context in which it came to be. As has been pointed out ad nauseum, there is no direct and definitive Supreme Court ruling on what constitutes a “natural born Citizen” as written in Article II of the Constitution. Because of the incredibly narrow application of that term, and the extremely tough standing requirements imposed by the Supreme Court and inferior courts regarding suits against the president, there probably never will be a Supreme Court case interpreting it, either.

In the absence of such a ruling – and the likelihood that there never will be definitive authorities on the subject, the best we can do is examine how the Supreme Court has indirectly addressed the matter, how the term was historically understood, and how it relates to other provisions in the Constitution and in our body of law.

It’s tempting to zero in on a particular line, paragraph or case out of context, or anchor one’s entire analytical approach on a particular work assumed to be authoritative in all aspects by the Founding Fathers, or use the absence of a definitive case to advance the argument that all interpretations have equal merit. But, as is the case with interpreting any part of the Constitution lacking an extensive body of precedent, one has to take the materials we do have and do our best to faithfully understand them in the sense they were meant to convey. That is what the Supreme Court would have to do.

As a postscript: Some in the birther community (or allied with it) believe – or hope – the “natural born Citizen” issue will make it to the Supreme Court through the passage and application of laws forcing a candidate to submit his birth records to demonstrate eligibility. In all likelihood the only disputes a court would likely hear in connection with such laws would be evidentiary in nature. If the birther community wants to force the issue, however, I recommend that (1) such proof of eligibility laws are passed, (2) that the birther community deliberately places a foreign-born person or person with less than two citizen parents on the ballot, and then forces a confrontation with the eligiblity board. That would be interesting to watch.

It seemed, last time I checked, like you were making some progress by demonstrating that “natural born subject” was a well understood term in British law (and the colonies), and required only being born in the country.

The best I can do is present the legal and historical record in the context in which it came to be. As has been pointed out ad nauseum, there is no direct and definitive Supreme Court ruling on what constitutes a “natural born Citizen” as written in Article II of the Constitution. Because of the incredibly narrow application of that term, and the extremely tough standing requirements imposed by the Supreme Court and inferior courts regarding suits against the president, there probably never will be a Supreme Court case interpreting it, either.

In the absence of such a ruling – and the likelihood that there never will be definitive authorities on the subject, the best we can do is examine how the Supreme Court has indirectly addressed the matter, how the term was historically understood, and how it relates to other provisions in the Constitution and in our body of law.

It’s tempting to zero in on a particular line, paragraph or case out of context, or anchor one’s entire analytical approach on a particular work assumed to be authoritative in all aspects by the Founding Fathers, or use the absence of a definitive case to advance the argument that all interpretations have equal merit. But, as is the case with interpreting any part of the Constitution lacking an extensive body of precedent, one has to take the materials we do have and do our best to faithfully understand them in the sense they were meant to convey. That is what the Supreme Court would have to do.

As a postscript: Some in the birther community (or allied with it) believe – or hope – the “natural born Citizen” issue will make it to the Supreme Court through the passage and application of laws forcing a candidate to submit his birth records to demonstrate eligibility. In all likelihood the only disputes a court would likely hear in connection with such laws would be evidentiary in nature. If the birther community wants to force the issue, however, I recommend that (1) such proof of eligibility laws are passed, (2) that the birther community deliberately places a foreign-born person or person with less than two citizen parents on the ballot, and then forces a confrontation with the eligiblity board. That would be interesting to watch.

It seemed, last time I checked, like you were making some progress by demonstrating that “natural born subject” was a well understood term in British law (and the colonies), and required only being born in the country.

The best I can do is present the legal and historical record in the context in which it came to be. As has been pointed out ad nauseum, there is no direct and definitive Supreme Court ruling on what constitutes a “natural born Citizen” as written in Article II of the Constitution. Because of the incredibly narrow application of that term, and the extremely tough standing requirements imposed by the Supreme Court and inferior courts regarding suits against the president, there probably never will be a Supreme Court case interpreting it, either.

In the absence of such a ruling – and the likelihood that there never will be definitive authorities on the subject, the best we can do is examine how the Supreme Court has indirectly addressed the matter, how the term was historically understood, and how it relates to other provisions in the Constitution and in our body of law.

It’s tempting to zero in on a particular line, paragraph or case out of context, or anchor one’s entire analytical approach on a particular work assumed to be authoritative in all aspects by the Founding Fathers, or use the absence of a definitive case to advance the argument that all interpretations have equal merit. But, as is the case with interpreting any part of the Constitution lacking an extensive body of precedent, one has to take the materials we do have and do our best to faithfully understand them in the sense they were meant to convey. That is what the Supreme Court would have to do.

As a postscript: Some in the birther community (or allied with it) believe – or hope – the “natural born Citizen” issue will make it to the Supreme Court through the passage and application of laws forcing a candidate to submit his birth records to demonstrate eligibility. In all likelihood the only disputes a court would likely hear in connection with such laws would be evidentiary in nature. If the birther community wants to force the issue, however, I recommend that (1) such proof of eligibility laws are passed, (2) that the birther community deliberately places a foreign-born person or person with less than two citizen parents on the ballot, and then forces a confrontation with the eligiblity board. That would be interesting to watch.

By the way, did you know that the Illinois State Bar Association is a voluntary association, and not the agency that regulates admission to practice and attorney discipline? That would be the Attorney Registration and Disciplinary Commission of the Supreme Court of Illinois. Barack Obama’s records with the ARDC are not sealed; in fact, you can look them up online: https://www.iardc.org/ldetail.asp?id=718696713

As for Harvard Law Review articles, Barack Obama published one unsigned case comment when he was a student (by HLR tradition, the student comments are not signed). In 2008, his campaign (in response to inquiries) concurred that the comment published at 103 Harvard Law Review 823 was Obama’s. You can’t find that online without a subscription (copyright, not “sealed”). But find a public or university law library, and you can read his one and only law review article yourself. But somehow I don’t think you will do that. You’d rather whine, wouldn’t you?

By the way, did you know that the Illinois State Bar Association is a voluntary association, and not the agency that regulates admission to practice and attorney discipline? That would be the Attorney Registration and Disciplinary Commission of the Supreme Court of Illinois. Barack Obama’s records with the ARDC are not sealed; in fact, you can look them up online: https://www.iardc.org/ldetail.asp?id=718696713

As for Harvard Law Review articles, Barack Obama published one unsigned case comment when he was a student (by HLR tradition, the student comments are not signed). In 2008, his campaign (in response to inquiries) concurred that the comment published at 103 Harvard Law Review 823 was Obama’s. You can’t find that online without a subscription (copyright, not “sealed”). But find a public or university law library, and you can read his one and only law review article yourself. But somehow I don’t think you will do that. You’d rather whine, wouldn’t you?

By the way, did you know that the Illinois State Bar Association is a voluntary association, and not the agency that regulates admission to practice and attorney discipline? That would be the Attorney Registration and Disciplinary Commission of the Supreme Court of Illinois. Barack Obama’s records with the ARDC are not sealed; in fact, you can look them up online: https://www.iardc.org/ldetail.asp?id=718696713

As for Harvard Law Review articles, Barack Obama published one unsigned case comment when he was a student (by HLR tradition, the student comments are not signed). In 2008, his campaign (in response to inquiries) concurred that the comment published at 103 Harvard Law Review 823 was Obama’s. You can’t find that online without a subscription (copyright, not “sealed”). But find a public or university law library, and you can read his one and only law review article yourself. But somehow I don’t think you will do that. You’d rather whine, wouldn’t you?

Third time asking.

NC, below you made the statement…

“Plenty of facts indicate that Obama was not born in Hawaii yet that is the official story and he is sticking to it.”

I then responded by asking for you to list the facts that you think show Obama was NOT born in Hawaii. You have not responded.

Do you now wish to retract your statement?

Will they provide a transcript for those of us with hearing problems who can’t decipher Orly’s famous Natasha Fatale imitation?

Will they provide a transcript for those of us with hearing problems who can’t decipher Orly’s famous Natasha Fatale imitation?

Will they provide a transcript for those of us with hearing problems who can’t decipher Orly’s famous Natasha Fatale imitation?

Ranking of Obama’s supporters who frequently post on this web site:

Basement level (attack dogs): It is a tie between Ellid and MakeThePie..
Do not suffer fools at all. Calls them out when they spout total lies.

Level two Obama eligibility issue support: Jim
Attempts to keep blowers typing and typing their BS, because he knows that sooner or later they hang themselves with their own words.

Level three… : Bearclaw
Very nice Gentleman who answers questions honestly and with links and court precedence. Does not suffer fools who keep asking the same question over and over and refuse to either acknowledge or admit their mistakes. Well learned and easy to read. Always enjoy his posts.

Top level Obama supporter: John_C
Well-versed in the law and the Constitution. Patience of Jobe in trying to explain law to fools who refuse to learn. Another easy read with clear explanations and points to his discussions.

And, you forgot Steve_X, who I enjoy learning from also.

Ranking of Obama’s supporters who frequently post on this web site:

Basement level (attack dogs): It is a tie between Ellid and MakeThePie..
Do not suffer fools at all. Calls them out when they spout total lies.

Level two Obama eligibility issue support: Jim
Attempts to keep blowers typing and typing their BS, because he knows that sooner or later they hang themselves with their own words.

Level three… : Bearclaw
Very nice Gentleman who answers questions honestly and with links and court precedence. Does not suffer fools who keep asking the same question over and over and refuse to either acknowledge or admit their mistakes. Well learned and easy to read. Always enjoy his posts.

Top level Obama supporter: John_C
Well-versed in the law and the Constitution. Patience of Jobe in trying to explain law to fools who refuse to learn. Another easy read with clear explanations and points to his discussions.

And, you forgot Steve_X, who I enjoy learning from also.

Ranking of Obama’s supporters who frequently post on this web site:

Basement level (attack dogs): It is a tie between Ellid and MakeThePie..
Do not suffer fools at all. Calls them out when they spout total lies.

Level two Obama eligibility issue support: Jim
Attempts to keep blowers typing and typing their BS, because he knows that sooner or later they hang themselves with their own words.

Level three… : Bearclaw
Very nice Gentleman who answers questions honestly and with links and court precedence. Does not suffer fools who keep asking the same question over and over and refuse to either acknowledge or admit their mistakes. Well learned and easy to read. Always enjoy his posts.

Top level Obama supporter: John_C
Well-versed in the law and the Constitution. Patience of Jobe in trying to explain law to fools who refuse to learn. Another easy read with clear explanations and points to his discussions.

And, you forgot Steve_X, who I enjoy learning from also.

I wonder when he's going to realize that poll numbers have absolutely, positively nothing to do with eligibility. If he's going to keep spamming the board, the least he could do is spam something that's actually relevant to whatever point he thinks that he's making.

Indeed.

natural-born American citizen
Translation:
natural-born (natural birth) US citizen.

LOL.
Read the post I was replying to – how did you manage to overlook the highlighted sentence?

LOL.
Read the post I was replying to – how did you manage to overlook the highlighted sentence?

LOL.
Read the post I was replying to – how did you manage to overlook the highlighted sentence?

You did not hear that argument from me.

My theory is very simple: birth registration by a relative (false claim of an unattended birth in Hawaii). Ten unattended births were reported for non-whites in urban areas of Hawaii in 1961. Obama’s original birth certificate would tell us whether Obama was one of them.

Unfortunately the DoH is not very cooperative in explaining their practices related to the issuing of birth certificates.

You did not hear that argument from me.

My theory is very simple: birth registration by a relative (false claim of an unattended birth in Hawaii). Ten unattended births were reported for non-whites in urban areas of Hawaii in 1961. Obama’s original birth certificate would tell us whether Obama was one of them.

Unfortunately the DoH is not very cooperative in explaining their practices related to the issuing of birth certificates.

You did not hear that argument from me.

My theory is very simple: birth registration by a relative (false claim of an unattended birth in Hawaii). Ten unattended births were reported for non-whites in urban areas of Hawaii in 1961. Obama’s original birth certificate would tell us whether Obama was one of them.

Unfortunately the DoH is not very cooperative in explaining their practices related to the issuing of birth certificates.

Neighbors (address mentioned in Obama’s birth announcement) said that no black child ever lived there. Obama’s family gave the false address to the DoH, it would not be a surprise if the complete birth registration was based on a false statement by a relative.

African newspapers (not birthers) published an article about Kenyan-born Obama few years back when there was no talk about his eligibility for presidency.

Kenyan ambassador in the USA gave an interview to a radio station from Detroit. He confirmed the Kenya birth (Obama’s father was never mentioned in that interview).

I have combined your and Ellid’s statements regarding Polarik’s report. In the report, Polarik accepts Michelle COLB as an authentic document but goes on to describe how thin the paper was. You insisted that Michelle’s COLB was issued so close to Obama’s and that it explained the date format and phrase used. If you were right than Obama’s COLB image shoud have shown all the missing details.

If Ellid was right and the paper used was a thick one – that would suggest that Michelle COLB was not an authentic document.

That explanation was not good for Obama – that is why I said “pick your poison”, both explanations contain something not favorable to Obama.

Now you are adding the variable paper thickness to your argument. Even with that argument you cannot explain why the state seal is not visible in the Obama COLB scanned image. It is visible in other COLBs available to the public.

You are correct – he was born in a hospital. The part missing in your statement is the location: Kenya , anyone?

NATURAL CHILDBIRTH???????

*howls with laughter*

In that case, almost no one from my generation is natural born because we were all delivered with forceps! What an idiot!

bWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

In fairness to NC, something she refuses to give the DoH, here was her response:

“Neighbors (address mentioned in Obama's birth announcement) said that no black child ever lived there. Obama's family gave the false address to the DoH, it would not be a surprise if the complete birth registration was based on a false statement by a relative.

African newspapers (not birthers) published an article about Kenyan-born Obama few years back when there was no talk about his eligibility for presidency.

Kenyan ambassador in the USA gave an interview to a radio station from Detroit. He confirmed the Kenya birth (Obama's father was never mentioned in that interview).”

Here is just a bit of the evidence Obama WAS born in Hawaii:
1) Hawaii COLB stating he was born in Hawaii
2) DoH stating he was born in Hawaii
3) 2 Newspaper announcements
4) Witness who remembers doctor mentioning birth
5) Absolutely no proof his mother was ever in Kenya, in fact Kenya officials state she was NEVER in Kenya.
6) Absolutely no proof his mother ever left Hawaii before his birth
7) Absolutely no documented evidence that he was born anywhere else.
8) Kenya officials stating Obama's father was not in Kenya from the time he left for school in Hawaii until after he graduated. So, his father was not in Kenya from before Obama's conception until years after his birth.

We'll let the reader decide, but IMO you've got so little it's pathetic. And THIS is what you want to waste the court's time with? You sure you've got nothing else you want to add? It's so thin and has no documented proof at all…just opinions.

1) False. Only blowers state that.
2) The original story doesn’t mention Kenya birth. Added later by Kenya newspaper
3) BS, you’re adding something that isn’t there. Ambassador was never present at Obama’s birth and has no knowledge of his birth.

Now let’s see what proof we have that he WAS born in Hawaii
1) Hawaii COLB stating he was born in Hawaii
2) DoH stating he was born in Hawaii
3) 2 Newspaper announcements
4) Witness who remembers doctor mentioning birth
5) Absolutely no proof his mother was ever in Kenya
6) Absolutely no proof his mother ever left Hawaii before his birth
7) Absolutely no documented evidence that he was born anywhere else.

We’ll let the reader decide, but IMO you’ve got so little it’s pathetic.

And, again, you state without proof. Pathetic, aren’t you?

“African newspapers (not birthers) published an article about Kenyan-born Obama few years back when there was no talk about his eligibility for presidency.”

Gullible birfer lie. It's complete bullshit and another easily disproved, pathetic fabrication from the cowardly birfer idiots.

Paul Colford, director of media relations for the Associated Press: “The AP has never reported that President Obama was born in Kenya. In fact, AP news stories about the state of Hawaii have confirmed that he was born there. The Kenyan paper that you cite rewrote a 2004 AP story, adding the phrase ‘Kenyan-born.’ That wording was not in the AP version of the story.”

Of course we must get Uma Thurman to play Orly….

NATURAL CHILDBIRTH???????

*howls with laughter*

In that case, almost no one from my generation is natural born because we were all delivered with forceps! What an idiot!

bWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Even with that argument you cannot explain why the state seal is not visible in the Obama COLB scanned image. It is visible in other COLBs available to the public.

If you look at all the COLBs Polarik posted, you’ll see that’s not a true statement.

In fairness to NC, something she refuses to give the DoH, here was her response:

“Neighbors (address mentioned in Obama's birth announcement) said that no black child ever lived there. Obama's family gave the false address to the DoH, it would not be a surprise if the complete birth registration was based on a false statement by a relative.

African newspapers (not birthers) published an article about Kenyan-born Obama few years back when there was no talk about his eligibility for presidency.

Kenyan ambassador in the USA gave an interview to a radio station from Detroit. He confirmed the Kenya birth (Obama's father was never mentioned in that interview).”

Here is just a bit of the evidence Obama WAS born in Hawaii:
1) Hawaii COLB stating he was born in Hawaii
2) DoH stating he was born in Hawaii
3) 2 Newspaper announcements
4) Witness who remembers doctor mentioning birth
5) Absolutely no proof his mother was ever in Kenya, in fact Kenya officials state she was NEVER in Kenya.
6) Absolutely no proof his mother ever left Hawaii before his birth
7) Absolutely no documented evidence that he was born anywhere else.
8) Kenya officials stating Obama's father was not in Kenya from the time he left for school in Hawaii until after he graduated. So, his father was not in Kenya from before Obama's conception until years after his birth.

We'll let the reader decide, but IMO you've got so little it's pathetic. And THIS is what you want to waste the court's time with? You sure you've got nothing else you want to add? It's so thin and has no documented proof at all…just opinions.

“African newspapers (not birthers) published an article about Kenyan-born Obama few years back when there was no talk about his eligibility for presidency.”

Gullible birfer lie. It's complete bullshit and another easily disproved, pathetic fabrication from the cowardly birfer idiots.

Paul Colford, director of media relations for the Associated Press: “The AP has never reported that President Obama was born in Kenya. In fact, AP news stories about the state of Hawaii have confirmed that he was born there. The Kenyan paper that you cite rewrote a 2004 AP story, adding the phrase ‘Kenyan-born.’ That wording was not in the AP version of the story.”

You are correct – he was born in a hospital. The part missing in your statement is the location: Kenya , anyone?

And which hospital in Kenya would that be?

Opting Out Of Earth….T-Baggers & Birthers In Mass Exodus To Moon
Written by b kenneth mcgee

In a stunning announcement today, a spokesman for The T-Bagger and Birther movements stated that they were leaving in mass to emigrate to the moon.

“We have had enough” said the spokesman, “and we're not going to take it any longer. We are going to a place where we can live like real Americans..where there is freedom…no commie gubment…no Negroes…no Mexicans..no Jews…and no faggots…and if there is any faggots (we ain't so sure of cousin Little Eddie, he added) they can have their own crater and a steam bath. If there are any little Martians there..we'll take care of them jes like we took care of the Injuns..unless maybe they built some of them little casinos” he chuckled.

The spokesmam was asked by a newsman how many were going to tne moon. “I'll tell you this,there ain't gonna be many towns left in Kentucky, West Virginia, Alabama, Georgia, Mississippi, or Tennessee…ain't gonna be many tax payers either” he laughed…”no siree…we be pickin up lock stock & barrel….our mommas didn't raise no stupid kids…..when the gubmint took over our medicare and social security we decided…we're out of here…goin to a new life of freedom…no taxes…no books…no more Obama dirty looks”

The crowd of approximately three hundred men, women and children cheered and pumped their fists in the air as a country western band played “Fly Me To the Moon”

As the crowd dispersed the spokesman was asked by a reporter…”How are you going to pay for all this…isn't it going to cost billions…… Where is the money coming from?” “We waitin on the gobmint grant” was the reply. “Damn gobmint owes it to us …they can take it away from all those welfare cheats they been payin and give it to some real Americans.”

A contact in the Obama administration speaking on condition of anonymity has confirmed that the government is moving quickly to supply the billions of dollars to transport tens of thousands to the moon as private citizens on the east and west coasts also planned to donate millions to the effort. Private citizens donations are being coordinated by MSNBC under the guidance of Keith Olbermann.

The Associated Press is reporting that Bill O'Reilly, Glenn Beck, Shaun Hannity, and Rush Limbaugh have all joined a cloistered monastery in Teaneck, New Jersey.

http://www.thespoof.com/news/spoof.cfm?headline…

Yes, and Alex Karras has expressed interest in the lead role. He believes his experience as the slow-witted Mongo in Blazing Saddles gives him the edge over the next contender, Billy Bob Thornton who is anxious to revive the persona of Karl Childers quipping, “I still like them French fried potaters. Mmm Hmm.”

Pieboy, when the productive tax paying folks go to the moon like your wish is then who will do the work and pay the taxes for all you un-productive folks. Another question, how much does Obama pay you to sit in your cellar, in your pajamas, smoking your bong and drinking his kool-aid and come up with this garbage. I also want you to picture this country where it is all communists/ liberals/socialists and progressives. Who would do the work and fight in your military for you? Also how would you pay for all the tax and spending your man Obama is doing to include the 20 TRILLION in deficit he is costing us?

Insurance companies claim “Shit for Brains” is pre-existing condition

In a startling revelation taken from internal memos of a major health insurance company it appears that thousands if not tens of thousands of insured families have been dropped from the companies rolls due to what the companies are calling the “Shit for Brains” malady.

The insurance giants have rushed to deny the claim in that most of the people who have been dropped are people that are demonstrating against a government takeover of the heath care system in the country. A random sampling from the T-Party and Birther rallies has shown that fully 78% of the folks attending have been dropped from the insurance company rolls due to the “Shit for Brains” syndrome.

A demonstrator in Tupolo, Mississippi, JR Guthrie, was seen carrying a sign that read “Keep Your Filthy Commie Hands Off My Health Care” was asked if he had been dropped by his heath insurance company…”Damn Right I have” he said, “Said I had Shit for Brains and it was a pre-existing condition…my Momma didn't raise no stupid kids….I know it's the damn government and those commie Muslims that run it that are spreading this here rumor.

It appears that the terminations have been throughout the country but the preponderance has been in the southern states where anti-government feelings are running very high.

Mr. Guthrie told the TV commentator….”Yes siree…I like these here demonstrations…was to Washington DC last week….it was jes like family there…all of us together watering the tree of liberty”

Studies have shown that the “Shit for Brains” condition is primarily genetic but can be acquired with practice. The companies have taken out a series of one minute commercials on Fox News denying these claims.

http://www.thespoof.com/news/spoof.cfm?headline…

NC fears that anyone born by Caesarean section will grow up to be loyal to Rome.

Hey pie-boy as far as the tea-party grass-roots revolt that has sprouted across our country is a basic expression of recognition that we have lost control of our own government and that if we are going to be a free and prosperous people, this can't go on.

According to the CBO: This year some 45 percent of our GDP, the economic production of the American people, will be taken by local, state and federal government.

Since 1970, federal government spending, adjusted for inflation, has increased by 221 percent, compared to a 32 percent increase in median household income.

The current Obama administration budget projects a doubling of our national debt to $18.5 trillion by 2020, or about 100 percent of our GDP. Harvard economist Martin Feldstein estimates interest alone will cost $800 billion a year.

It's time to stop lying to ourselves. We're losing our freedom and our nation. We need to slam on the brakes before it's too late.

So I guess people like you who seem to have no problem with a deficit this bad as well as a hoax COLB would qualify for shit for brains! I mean whats the chances that you would fit that description? 100%

This from the Canada Free Press:

A commentator at Canada Free Press says he has obtained copies of two documents apparently prepared by Democrats to certify Barack Obama as their nominee for president in 2008 that suggest House Speaker Nancy Pelosi knew there was an unresolved issue with his eligibility under the U.S. Constitution.

Writer JB Williams describes himself as a “no nonsense commentator on American politics, American history, and American philosophy.” And he say's he's gotten possession of copies of the documents in question.

The first includes a verification that Obama and Joe Biden, then-candidate for vice president, “are legally qualified to serve under the provisions of the United States Constitution.”

The second form obtained by Williams appears identical, down to a typographical error in “through.” But in this one, the verification of eligibility under the requirements of the U.S. Constitution is gone.

“The DNC drafted, signed and notarized TWO slightly different versions of their Official Certification of Nomination documents, not one,” he wrote. “One of those documents had complete legal language, and one of them was missing the text concerning the constitutional eligibility of Barack Hussein Obama.

“The version which is absent any certification of constitutional standing for the office of president is the version that was filed with every state in the country, and the one used by the DNC to elect Barack Obama president,” he wrote.

Could this be because he has never shown his long form Birth Certificate which would prove he is in-eligible? I await all you Obot “lawyers” to answer this one, and pieboy, your accusing me and others cowards is getting old as we are the ones who have guts to stand up to you and the Usurper in Chief!

The largest health insurance company (if you will) in the country is the United States government, and the single most powerful insurance company executive is Barack Obama. He runs the S-CHIP program, he runs Medicare, he runs Medicaid, and the VA: Nobody gets everything they want in those programs. Just because the governments get behind it, they don’t get everything they want, and they constantly complain, and they deny coverage. The number one insurance company that denies claims in this country is Medicare. Medicare denies far more claims than any private insurance company does. Is this type of government type of company what we really want? pieboy, for one thing I do NOT trust obama with this type of power if he can't even release his long form birth certificate. pieboy, speaking of health care, looks like your mother made the WROOOONG “choice”!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Irrelevant to the question of eligibility. Also irrelevant to whether you are actually in the Army, your claimed ethnicity (almost certainly false), your assertion that the President altered the oath of office (a brazen lie), your supposed friendship with a provost marshal (ha!)….

Since when does a bunch of Canadians have anything to do with American elections? Strange excuse for patriotism from a supposedly loyal soldier….

Where's your apology for lying about the oath of office?

Oh, like Borderraven, who stuffs himself to the point of a heart attack on his government pension, then goes around advocating the overthrow of the company that keeps him in junk food?

United States Commission on Presidential Eligibility
March 11, 2010

The United States Commission on Presidential Eligibility today announced a major breakthrough in the understanding of eligibility for the office of President of the United States. The breakthrough was made by a blogger, “naturalizedcitizen” on the blog of The Washington Independent. “naturalizedcitizen” offered the previously unimagined insight that the term “natural born citizen” as used in Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution in fact means “natural child birth US citizen.” In response, the Commission released the following statement, and a request for further insights from the towering scholar, “naturalizedcitizen”:

The United States Commission on Presidential Eligibility (USCPE) hereby recognizes the brilliance and insight of “naturalizedcitizen” with respect to all issues bearing on the eligibility of persons to serve as President of the the United States. On behalf of a deeply grateful nation, USCPE declares that the term “NC Rule” shall hereafter and forever be used to refer to the requirement that Presidents must have been born by “natural child birth.”

USCPE requests that “naturalizedcitizen” provide authoritative answers to be used in all future determinations of eligibility for the office of President of the United States. Specifically, USCPE requests that “naturalizedcitizen” further clarify what does — and does not — qualify as “natural child birth” for purposes of eligibility under Article II, Section 1.

Please state whether the following procedures disqualify a birth as “natural child birth” under Article II, Section 1:

1. Artificial insemination (yes/no)
2. In vitro fertilization (yes/no)
3. Fertility drugs (yes/no)
4. Tocolytic drugs (yes/no)
5. Hospital birth (yes/no)
6. Water birth (yes/no)
7. Caesarian section (yes/no)
8. Episiotomy (yes/no)
9. Local anaesthesia (yes/no)
10. Epidural blocks (yes/no)
11. Obstetric forceps (yes/no)
12. Oxytocin (yes/no)
13. Perinatal emergency measures (incubators, oxygen, IV hydration and nutrition) (yes/no)
14. Acrylic receiving blankets (yes/no)

Upon receipt of responses from “naturalizedcitizen,” the USCPE will begin review of birth records of all Presidents who were not citizens at the time of the adoption of the Constitution. If any were not born by “natural child birth” as required by the NC Rule, the USCPE will consult with the U.S. Department of Justice regarding the impact on the validity of official actions taken by such President.

I don’t know if they make a transcript available. But even if you eliminate the problem of the accent, you still have to get through Orly’s tortured syntax and her incomprehensible legal theories. In other words, a transcript eliminates the accent, but it can’t eliminate the crazy.

Ellid, my occupations and other info about me is irrevelent as you still have NOT proven Obama is legitimate. I am who I say I am as I have over thirty years in the Army and have been to Iraq and Afghanistan. Funny how you don't believe me but you beleive the COLBs on the internent. If that is so then I have a bridge for sale for you kid! Suppose you were the Commish of the local Little League Association (A little above your level but lets pretend). All the children signing up would have to bring their legitimate birth certificate not a photos-hopped COLB.

Sic Semper Natalis!

This from New Hampshire State Rep. Laurence Rappaport, R-Colebrook:

There are dozens of legal challenges to Obama's status as a “natural born citizen.” The Constitution, Article 2, Section 1, states, “No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President.”

Some of the lawsuits over the dispute question whether he was actually born in Hawaii, as he insists. If he was born out of the country, Obama's American mother, the suits contend, was too young at the time of his birth to confer American citizenship to her son under the law at the time.

Other challenges have focused on Obama's citizenship through his father, a Kenyan subject to the jurisdiction of the United Kingdom at the time of his birth, thus making him a dual citizen. The cases contend the framers of the Constitution excluded dual citizens from qualifying as natural born.

Complicating the situation is Obama's decision to spend sums estimated over $1.7 million to avoid releasing a state birth certificate that would put to rest the questions.

Thus far, dozens of the cases have been thrown out of court or dismissed without a hearing, and, as Rappaport pointed out, none of courts have yet required Obama produce documentation of his eligibility to serve as president.

What about false alarms. If the mother went in for birth, then was sent back home does that nullify the later birth?

Does the mother have to be lying down giving the birth? Or can she squat?

Does the child have to spanked on the behind to start the crying, or is slapping the bottom of the feet OK?

What if the child is delivered by a police officer or fireman? Does that not count since the child wasn't born in a hospital and delivered by a doctor.

Is the mother required to speak perfect English? Or do Orly's children not qualify?

Must the baby remember the exact moment of birth so that he/she can testify to the exact time/place of birth 49 years later and be able to answer every question about the birth? Including a complete knowledge of how their records were created and a complete understanding of how the State/County kept their vital records.

I don't know, NC would probably eliminate about everyone except her hand-picked people.

Complements to BC…entertaining as always.

I have to ridicule her statement because she had plenty of time to get it right yet still chose to use the phrase that is different from the one mentioned in the Constitution.

Now there’s a classic case of projection if I’ve ever seen one. Dr. Fukino is a busy person, is not a constitutional expert, and doesn’t have the time to learn how every birther may decide to parse her words.

She said Obama was born in Hawaii. Evidently, like most Americans, she understands natural born citizen to mean “born in the United States.” I don’t see anything she said as particuarly challenging or hard to understand.

Now, of course, you can interpret her words to mean anything that suits your particular theory of events and worldview. If you choose to believe that “Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai‘i” actually means “the sky is red on the planet Vulcan”… hey, it’s a free country.

But don’t expect other people to find your strained theories very compelling.

You realize he backed off that comment within a week of making it, don't you? His SoS got back to him and told him he was batsh*t crazy.

Why are you posting all this stuff that is from over a year ago?

ellid, I also know that according to Saul Alinsky's book Rules for radicals that you use that you are to call your opponents names and ridicule them when you have lost the argument. You pieboy and some others have done also, which tells me that you have lost this argument to facts and logic. I have posted facts and you have addressed very few of the facts but have went into attack mode.

I am leaving this site now as I have three jobs that I have to work to pay my bills and support you Obots that sit home in your pajama's all day. I am also training to go to Afghanistan again soon. I am at Ft Bragg if anyone would like to meet me and do a little PT! I also leave as no one is countering my facts with theirs, only name calling and personal attacks. I know victory when I see it as I have been in many battles with real bullets.

I hate to go back to the health care issue, but with you Obots and your “open minds” and hatred I say your mothers made the wrong “choice”! ps-keep abortion legal, it diminishes the liberal young. Unfortuantely it also and kills more minority young than all the other causes combined. I also ask that you all plead to obama to prove me wrong as only then will I apoligize.

You still cannot explain the fact that newspaper announcements contain false address. Obama never lived there. The first account of baby Obama comes from a nanny in Washington (January/February 1962).
There are no reports about his family's whereabouts between August 1961 and early 1962.

Didn't his mother have any friends, relatives, neighbors who could remember seeing baby Obama during that time – so far nobody has come forward with the testimony.

According to you it should be a piece of cake for Obama to show the original birth certificate that would confirm birth in the Kapiolani. Yet he engaged in playing games by posting images on left wing web sites trying to deceive the public into thinking he was born in Hawaii.

The so-called documented evidence of his birth in Hawaii consists of an image on the web. Try to do the same when you deal with the government and see how far you get.

Somehow I forgot Dubya's favorite, “human/animal hybrids”.

Actually, we have proven it. He's sitting in the White House right now. Just because he hasn't proven it to YOUR satisfaction doesn't mean a thing. Now, go cry in your milk, since all you seem to be left with is posting items that have long ago been debunked.

I am just pointing out that Dr. Fukino used misleading language where none was called for.

I have to ridicule her statement because she had plenty of time to get it right yet still chose to use the phrase that is different from the one mentioned in the Constitution.

She has used the same tactics as Bill Clinton did in the past: misleading statements that could mean different things to protect her back in case anybody questioned her.

That's because you've been posting things that are a year or more older, they've already been debunked multiple times and we're just bored that you try to bring them up again like they're some sort of new unknown. Enjoy your job(s). Nice that a blower gets out of the basement every now and then.

“call your opponents names and ridicule them”
“I say your mothers made the wrong 'choice'!”
“I have posted facts and you have addressed very few of the facts”
“I also leave as no one is countering my facts”

Ah, the mark of a truly deranged, hypocritical, cowardly, pathological liar and sociopath. The complete lack of original thought is pathetic and predictable.

Denial runs deep in the diseased and desperate birfer's delusions but there's always plenty of time for a birfer's court martial, a dishonorable discharge and a long stretch in the U.S. Disciplinary Barracks at Fort Leavenworth.

Good riddance to rubbish.

Liar.

NC: “The so-called documented evidence of his birth in Hawaii consists of an image on the web. Try to do the same when you deal with the government and see how far you get.”

No, the documented evidence is the vital records kept by the State of Hawaii DoH and attested to by the State.

My goal was not to tear apart your argument. My goal was to lay out what each side has in the way of proof for their side of the argument. I make no claims, I let the reader decide. The 3 statements you've made have been torn apart ad nauseum. No reason to rehash. But, you did not address other multiple points in my list. If you wish, we can go through them. However, I will ask that you apply the same standards to your list that you apply to mine. For example, you claim no one remembering a black child in the neighborhood as some sort of proof since a black child would be “unusual”. Therefor, applying those same standards, you must accept number 3 as proof that she did talk to the doctor that delivered Obama, since it isn't very often you hear of someone named Stanley birthing a baby. I'm not asking for you believe what's there, I'm just asking you to apply the same standards. Then, we let the reader weigh which is more likely.

The phrase used by Dr. Fukino allows her to defend her statements using the same kind of parsing that Clinton displayed when he said “It depends what the meaning of the is is.”

The same way, she can parse the”natural-born American citizen” phrase any way it suits her at the moment.

I have a simple question for you: Why did she avoid using the eligibility requirement phrase as it is written in the Constitution?
If she used the proper phrase there would be no room left for different interpretations.

Sorry, number 4 was the woman who talked to the delivering doctor. My mistake.

The classic response of the defeated: declare victory while retreating. Bye! You won't be missed.

Thank you, thank you, thank you — for pointing out that she inserted the word “American” in the phrase. How horribly deceptive!

“Why did she avoid using the eligibility requirement phrase as it is written in the Constitution?”

She inserted the work “American.” Wow. How significant.

Why did she do that? Ask her, not me.

Bushie did express his concern about doctors not having enough personal control over their patients.

“Too many good docs are getting out of the business. Too many OB-GYNs aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country.” —President George W. Bush, Poplar Bluff, Mo., Sept. 6, 2004

Does anyone else find it interesting that when Bwhite quits posting, NC starts up?

I know that Obama’s grandparents rented a house at that address. That is what the PI said.
The address exists – I used word fake because baby Obama and his father did not live at that address as we would expect from reading the birth announcement. That is what neighbors said.

Where was the baby Obama during the first FIVE months of his life?

Ah, now I’m really beginning to recall what it was like to deal with you.

The address is real. You lied.
The Dunhams lived at that address. You lied.
Stanley Ann Dunham lived at that address. You lied.
The address that was in the newspaper announcements matches the address of Stanley Ann Dunham and her parents from an independent contemporaneous source. You lied.

Now, what was the name of the “neighbors”?
What was their street address?
Where is your proof they lived next door to the Dunhams in 1961?
Where is their statement about what they did or didn’t see over 48 years ago?

You really should try paying attention to detail.

Also, provide proof that “baby Obama” didn’t live at the 6805 Kalanianaole Highway address. You said he didn’t, so now prove it. Why do you think the baby would have been with his father? We already know that the marriage was short-lived, and that Barack Sr. had very little thereafter to do with his son.

And as for where “baby Obama” was during the first five months of his life, please explain why that matters to his eligibility to be President. He was born in Hawaii. Where he went after that is legally irrelevant.

I was thinking that myself.

Health care is not relevant, NATURALIZEDCITIZEN…..

And I would let little Barry Obama on my team BECAUSE HE HAS A VALID STATE-ISSUED BIRTH CERTIFICATE, YOU MORONIC SAND-TROUT.

Also, stop using a sock puppet, NC. We all know it's you.

OK, and before that it was Bush, before that it was Clinton, before that it was another Bush, before that it was Reagan. So, according to you, health care has been run by Pubs for 20 years and the Dems for about 9 years. Maybe it's in such a mess because of the Pubs and we need the Dems to clean it up? Just a thought.

Your posting proves that the representative didn't do his homework before he wrote that and that he is probably pandering to a part of his constituency. The continued assertions that the presidents has spent however many millions of dollars “hiding his documents” and yet the only proof anyone has offered is the quarterly filing of the DNC paying a law firm for unknown work. Do you really think the DNC has no work within it that may be performed by a law firm that provides financial services among many others? As previously posted by others, when the defense was granted costs in a birther case they charged what- $20.40?

The fail part in any of these arguments is that the president did present a legitimate Certificate of Live Birth that is perfectly acceptable as proof of citizenship to all entities that require such proof. My replacement certificate I obtained after I misplaced my original certificate is very much like the presidents in that it has much less information than the one I used to have. I stopped by the passport office in my post office and asked them if the replacement birth certificate was acceptable to get my passport and they assured me it was. What more do people need than what is acceptable for governmental agencies that require proof of US birth. It works for Social Security because I obtained a certificate like mine for my son when he needed to replace his Social Security card and get his license. Why do any of you think you have a right to demand more than what the government itself requires? If the government is satisfied, considering they are the holders of all official records, why would you or anyone other ordinary citizens have a right to ask for more? The president has long held a passport so that governmental agency would have all the info it needed, the Social Security Administration would also have all it needs because we know he has a social security card because he gets paid. He had to have registered for Selective Service because he had student loans and males can't get student loans unless they have registered with Selective Service. We know that for retirement and insurance benefits certain documentation has to be shown. Seriously, do you think the federal government has any lack of information. Do you think the vetting for national security wouldn't have found it if there was anything wrong? I mean really? Common sense should tell you that no person who has attained what President Obama has attained in his life could have possibility of hiding something as major as his place of birth? Really? There is no real proof of anything other than what has been presented by the president. All kinds of accusations and absolutely no credible proof to the contrary. When you consider all the facts-you have a state, Hawaii, stating the president was born there. You have an embassy, the Kenyan Embassy, stating Stanley Ann Dunham Obama never ever visited their country and that President Obama was definitely not born there and that his father was not in Kenya when his son was born, he was in Hawaii with his wife and child, you have the U.S. State Department stating without equivocation that the president had no restrictions on traveling to Pakistan on his American passport in 1981. You have an organization that is non-partisan, factcheck.org, who examined the original document that the Obama campaign had used to scan in in order to post online, and declared it had all the proper embossing and stamps and signatures on the right kind of paper, and so much more. The newspaper clippings, the personal stories aside, what more would a thinking individual need?

Why are you posting under a sock puppet, NC? Are you really that desperate for attention?

All you proved was that, as usual, you can't write and your English is bad. That's why the rest of us are laughing at you.

Actually, I am pretty sure I recall reading that the apartment was the home to everyone. I know that Obama Sr. did share an apartment with some guys, but after the baby came I think the entire family lived in the apartment. I know they kept the same place all those years because that was where the presidents’ grandmother was living when she passed away. Housing is terribly expensive in Hawaii. It isn’t like a young couple going to school could afford their own place.

The name Sybil comes to mind.

The phrase used by Dr. Fukino allows her to defend her statements using the same kind of parsing that Clinton displayed when he said “It depends what the meaning of the is is.”

Cute, but it's not happening.

You're assuming there is a relevant and meaningful alternate meaning to “natural-born” that Fukino could have been using, thus giving her plausible deniability.

Let's assume that “natural-born” could also mean “delivered without resort to C-section or other drugs or surgical procedures.” Note that the long-form Hawaii birth certificate from 1961 (e.g. the Nordyke twins) had no fields concerning the manner of the child's birth. Resort to the birth certificate alone thus provides no basis for making any sort of statement about how the child was delivered. Because Fukino would have no basis from the original 1961 birth certificate for making any sort of statement about how President Obama was born, using the term “natural-born American citizen” simply cannot offer her plausible deniability in that regard.

In any event, the use of “natural-born” adjacent to a reference to citizenship, in light of specific nature of the unusual interest in the circumstances of Obama's birth, is all any reasonable person needs to infer that “natural-born” is being used in the context of how President Obama became a U.S. citizen. That's enough for the vast majority of people, which is as it should be.

In fact, given the birther community's propensity to hang its theories on heavy parsing of statements, one can reasonably forsee how Fukino would be accused of fudging the facts if she said President Obama was a “natural-born citizen” without reference to a particular country. I can see the WND headline now:

HAWAII OFFICIAL DOES NOT DENY OBAMA MAY BE A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN OF KENYA.

The terminally clueless never seem to grasp that puerile sophism and pathological, obsessive lying not only have no redeeming social values but also always result in a variety of nasty long term consequences.

“Abuse of words has been the great instrument of sophistry and chicanery, of party, faction, and division of society.” — John Adams

Excerpt from the Maui Time Weekly (Maui’s only independent and locally owned newspaper), March 10, 2010:

Up until now, I'd never thought about the strain the “birthers” are surely putting on Hawaii record-keeping agencies. (If by some miracle you don't know who the birthers are, stop reading now and take a long walk on the beach. Trust me.) Then I read quotes in the Honolulu Advertiser from Hawaii Department of Health spokesperson Janice Okubo about how her office gets 40-50 requests for Obama's birth certificate every month.

Morbidly curious, I called Okubo to learn more. She confirmed the number and told me that because of furloughs and other cutbacks they've got just two staff members handling the requests (among other, relevant duties). That's not the worst of it: “The majority of the requests,” Okubo said with a laugh both weary and exasperated, “are coming from about four or five people.”

Never mind the fact that, per state law, birth records are only available to certain people for specific reasons not including “I believe the President of the United States was born in Africa”—the birthers will not be daunted! To paraphrase Margaret Mead: Never doubt that a small group of committed, insane citizens can make life difficult for the rest of us.

(highlight added)

http://www.mauitime.com/Articles-i-2010-03-11-7…

“If the government is satisfied, considering they are the holders of all official records, why would you or anyone other ordinary citizens have a right to ask for more?”

Because it appeases deranged, fear mongering, paranoid, hate driven bigots. Their psychotic delusions prompt incessant, arrogant demands regardless of the law even to the point of advocating sedition or treason.

They are, without a doubt, the lunatic fringe.

The General Article certainly should cover what BWhite has been up to.

Borderinsanity, NaturalizedNuts, cornyliar, truepatriotnut, and WND. Makes sense to me.

“The version which is absent any certification of constitutional standing for the office of president is the version that was filed with every state in the country, and the one used by the DNC to elect Barack Obama president,” he wrote.

It also happens to have the identical wording used on John Kerry's 2004 Official Certification of Nomination. I suppose this means that Kerry wasn't eligible for the presidency, either.

Could this be because he has never shown his long form Birth Certificate which would prove he is in-eligible?

If Nancy Pelosi was so worried about Obama's eligibility she wouldn't have signed a document which said he was eligible, would she?

You're not going to get an apology, just another pack of lies.

I think it's evident at this point that it isn't about the truth. Bwhite1955 is more like a four-year-old who doesn't care about right and wrong or what he deserves, but knows that Mommy and Daddy will cave in and give him a candy bar if he screams and throws fits long enough.

natural-born (natural child birth) US citizen

What exactly do you contend constitutes “unnatural” or “non-natural” childbirth, and what do you argue is the basis of Fukino's interpretation of or knowledge on that issue?

I know but I am so fed up with the waste of taxpayer funded time and money over such stupid, debunked b.s. I can't wait to hear the news from the California Bar. Not that I think Oily will shut up but at least she won't be able to continue filing her crap without help!

Then we have Dickless Cheney calling the attorney's who defended detainees less than patriotic and questioning their employment at Justice because of the work they had done, undermining the very essence of this nation of laws. How can we be what we are supposed to be if we don't live up to our ideals? How can she call herself an American when she tries to trash people who live up to the ideals of this nation? What a waste of air. The only good thing is that even conservatives are calling them on their campaign.

“You still cannot explain the fact that newspaper announcements contain false address.”

You are once again, and completely predictably, wrong. Have you ever heard of a “Polk Directory”? They were like phone books, except they listed other information such as occupation. The Polk directory for Honolulu in 1961 shows both the Dunhams and the Obamas living at the address (6805 Kalanianaole Highway) given in the contemporaneous birth announcements in the two Honolulu newspapers:

http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2009/08/birth-an…

In other words, the President's parents were living with his grandparents. Big surprise.

As for the “neighbors” who supposedly lived next door and never saw a black child, I respond as follows:

(1) I'm offering proof of where the Dunhams and the Obamas lived. Please provide the names of the neighbors and similar proof they lived next door in 1961.

(2) In any event, it is known that within a few months after Obama's birth, Stanley Ann Dunham had moved to Seattle.

And in the interest of complete honesty, I will note that the Barack Obama Sr. was actually listed at a different address, whereas Stanley Ann Dunham was listed at her parents' address. But in no sense was the address in the newspaper announcements “fake.” You can jump up and down about the fact that Obama's parents weren't living together. But the address in the newspaper announcements no only exists, it is the address at which Stanley Ann Dunham and her parents were listed in a contemporaneous Polk Directory.

I guess that must be another part of the longstanding plot: faking the Polk Directory for Honolulu 47 years before Obama ran for President.

He's not retreating, he's advancing in the opposite direction.

And if you don't want to look at the information on a liberal blog, the same Polk Directory information is available on (and confirmed by) WorldNetDaily: http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageI…

Of course, I don't expect this to convince you of anything. You will probably continue to assert, without a shred of evidence to support you, that the address given in the newspapers was false. Because hating our duly elected and Constitutionally eligible President is all you have going in your life, isn't it?

1. There was another difference – you need to pay attention to details.
You based your long-winded post on an inaccurate quote.

2. Dr. Fukino refused to answer the follow up questions. According to Hawaii law she must release to the public supporting documentation/information used in reaching her conclusion. We know that she had consulted the AG Bennet prior to issuing her July 2009 press release.
They refuse to follow the law then complain why people keep sending requests for information to their office.

For Immediate Release: July 27, 2009 09-063
STATEMENT BY HEALTH DIRECTOR CHIYOME FUKINO, M.D.
“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawai?i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai‘i State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai‘i and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago.”

So is it the hyphen between “natural” and “born” that you are now obsessing over? And it is incredibly ironic that you, who have never met a lie or rumor you wouldn't spread without first doing some research, would scold anyone over attention to detail.

As for Point #2, lordy, you are a whiner. If you think they are violating the law, sue them. Or shut up. Why are you complaining to us?

Dr. Fukino refused to answer the follow up questions. According to Hawaii law she must release to the public supporting documentation/information used in reaching her conclusion.

No she doesn't.

Her statement about what she had seen and verified is not a legal opinion. It is a statement of fact which she is in a position to make. If she had to release all supporting documents concerning her statement of fact, the entire purpose of reviewing private documents and making a public statement about them would be defeated.

Her statement about President Obama being a natural born citizen is also not a legal opinion. Natural born citizenship is not a legal status which is within her power, or the power of Hawaii, to define or alter. It may be an understandable personal observation on her part, but a legal opinion it ain't. Nor is there a whiff or a suggestion from that statement that the DoH bases its treatment of any particular records – including President Obama's – based upon whether a person is determined to be a natural born citizen.

Nice try. I admire your intellectual creativity. But it just doesn't cut it.

Yikes. I read your shadow's reply below. You've been admonished for being verbose and inattentive.

Aren't you glad you finally have a self-appointed mentor and tutor with a far more vast aggregation of legal knowledge, a seasoned and perspicacious insight honed from decades of peer review and the experience of practicing law and a professional authority based on the highest qualifications?

And we both know that NC will never answer the questions I asked.

Four lines didn't seem particularly “long-winded” to me, but I obviously lack NC's exacting attention to detail. I guess I will have to do better. I don't want to disappoint an intellectual giant, legal scholar, forensic expert and nucking futcase like NC.

That works out to roughly one request per brain cell.

If this was not a legal opinion why did she need to consult AG Bennet prior to issuing the press-release?
If it was not in her power to interpret the Constitutional eligibility requirement – why did she do it? As a Director of DoH she knows that her words will be carefully examined.
It is funny that Obama supporters see no contradiction in the fact that Dr. Fukino could declare Obama a “natural-born…”, yet she could not confirm that the DoH issued COLB to Obama on June 6, 2007.

This all happened in a controlled environment – she issued a press-release, she was not ambushed by a journalist. She did not make these comments unprepared.

The timing of the press-release was interesting – just hours after Congress passed the resolution proclaiming Obama as born in Hawaii. The resolution itself does not pass the smell test – Obama's people are trying hard to create an image of him being born in Hawaii. It would have been much easier to release the original birth certificate.

Count the lines in your post that starts with:

United States Commission on Presidential Eligibility
March 11, 2010

NC: “The timing of the press-release was interesting -”

Yeah, you'd have thought they'd have gotten tired of your BS weeks earlier…especially after the first statement. But, there you were. Calling and calling, threatening and threatening…they kind of got tired of it. So, they release a second statement. Interesting they didn't start out by saying “This is for all you batsh*t crazy people”. Probably why they had to talk to a lawyer…to see if they could say batsh*t.

If this was not a legal opinion why did she need to consult AG Bennet prior to issuing the press-release?

A legal opinion, by its very nature, is a statement of how the governmental agency or official interprets and thereby intends to enforce a law or regulation in its purview, and the rationale for that interpretation. Fukino's statement did not interpret any law she or her agency has authority to interpret or enforce. Whether or not Fukino thinks Obama is a natural born citizen is immaterial to the interpretation or enforcement of any law or regulation anywhere in the world. It's her personal view.

If it was not in her power to interpret the Constitutional eligibility requirement – why did she do it?

What do you mean, “If it was not in her power”? Of course it wasn't in her power to do so. At best it was an unsophisticated personal observation of a constitutional provision. By your logic, if she had said Obama was born in Indonesia, and was therefore an Indonesian citizen at birth, she would be obligated to ruminate on Indonesian law. And that would serve what purpose exactly?

So is it the hyphen between “natural” and “born” that you are now obsessing over?

That only goes to show to what extent NC and others have to go to divert attention from the obvious and parse secondary statements into oblivion.

Fukino said the “original vital records maintained” by Hawaii verify that Obama “was born in Hawai'i.” That should be enough for any reasonable person to pack it up and go home.

Instead, we're debating whether her placement of a hyphen or the word “American” in “natural born citizen” is some secret code sufficient to satisfy some imaginary hypertechnical legal standard that would magically absolve her of fault if Obama was found not have been born in Hawaii.

It's getting pretty pathetic.

And now you have homework and evidently, sardonic replies will count for you and against you at the same time for the same reason. I've always enjoyed a good self-referential contradiction!

As I mentioned on another round, circular irony is never just a ferrous wheel.

Best of luck on your review but beware the infinite regression.

Well, Borderraven in and of himself constitutes 4-5 people….

Count the number of times you've posted the same damn post despite it being debunked and countered.

They follow the law, and still idiots like you and your buddy Borderraven harass them and tell them they're doing a crappy job. You really should be ashamed of yourself.

Somebody lied to the newspaper. Obama Sr. never lived there.
It is also quite unlikely that a neighbor would not have noticed a pregnant young woman living next door and giving birth to a black child.

Never say never…

She could have used cut and paste from the Constitution. After all it was a press release – she had plenty of time to get it right. Unless she had an ulterior motive.

Details, details,….

Your comment about being “long-winded” was in “reply” to a post that was four lines long. Please pay closer attention to detail.

With respect to you claim that “baby Obama” never lived at the address identified in the newspaper vital statistics columns, I'm still waiting for your answers:

What was the name of the “neighbors”?
What was their street address?
Where is your proof they lived next door to the Dunhams in 1961?
Where is their statement about what they did or didn't see over 48 years ago?

Of course, we all know you won't provide any proof. You never do. You change the subject, you ask more questions. It is stunning that you reject a COLB from the State of Hawaii — a document that is self-authenticating in Court, and would be accepted for passport, driver's license, etc. And you don't accept the contemporaneous birth announcements, or the addresses in the Polk Directory. All of that is “fake.” Yet you state unequivocally that baby Obama never lived at a particular address. Based on what? Something you read on a blog about something someone who supposedly was a neighbor said?

And don't bother — I already know your response about the COLB (“you can't get a passport based on a COLB posted on a website” blah blah blah). But long ago, when I asked you how a Presidential candidate could provide 140 million American voters each with their own “original” proof of his or her place of birth, you said it could be posted on a government website. You don't trust web images, however, or the statements of the responsible government officials.

Conclusion: You are determined never to be satisfied. You hate this President, and if you let go of your hatred, you would have nothing left in your life. Sad.

Do you realize you have posted over 2000 comments on TWI? Assuming just five minutes for each post, you would have spent over 160 hours posting here. How many people have you convinced? Zero. None. Not a single one. Go ahead and keep wasting you time. I'm going to go play some music, and try to forget that I ever wasted a minute dealing with someone so determined to deny reality.

Name of the neighbor and proof that “somebody lied to the newspaper,” please.

Also, why did you suddenly claim to be a soldier?

Then answer them, starting with this one:

Why did you pretend to be a soldier at Fort Bragg?

*jeers at the stupidity of this entire post*

You really are about as aware and intelligent as Terri Schiavo, you know.

If this is an attempt at either humor or irony, it fails.

You are very good in parroting other people's comments.

Google search: “Obama neighbor Hawaii”. Check the WND report.

I have shown you reports about birth certificate fraud in the USA. Corrupt officials have sold identities in the past. An image posted on a friendly (private) web page is not equivalent to the official document.

Bush invited Woodward to witness the work of his administration behind the scenes. Obama could have used a similar approach when publishing his birth certificate. It is much easier to talk the talk about transparency that walk the walk.
Releasing the image of a document on a left wing web site does not inspire confidence that everything is kosher with his birth registration. A high quality scan on a DoH page would be much more believable than the current one.

The past year has shown that Obama is a habitual liar.

She could also say that Sun Yat-Sen was born in Hawaii.

http://archives.starbulletin.com/2000/03/16/edi…
COULD Sun Yat-sen, revered by both the People's Republic of China and the Nationalist government on Taiwan, be a son of Hawaii?

There's a birth certificate that says so, but even Sun renounced it in due course. It did, however, help him circumvent the Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882, which became applicable when Hawaii was annexed to the United States in 1898.

The certificate, issued by the Territory of Hawaii in March 1904, declared he had been born in Kula, Maui, where his relatives lived. As a “citizen of Hawaii” he could travel to the U.S. mainland in the early 1900s to rally both support and funds for his revolutionary efforts. Some Chinese friends attested to the birth…

Will Obama renounce his Hawaii birth in the future?

Uh huh…

Wendy Williams would be funnier on a few levels.

http://gyantunplugged.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/Wendy-Williams-Dolly-Parton-Halloween-Costume-Photo.jpg

“Somebody?”That’s your evidence?Did “somebody” also say you’re here illegally? No proof is required, right?”It is also quite unlikely . . .” Says who? A birfer cowering behind double standards?Or one of the many voices in your head?Maybe you can blame one of them for misleading you.How deep is that rabbit hole?

Give it up, NC. Bearclaw nailed you. You haven't provided a single scrap of proof, you haven't changed a single mind, and a few months ago you admitted that you are doing this simply because you hate President Obama.

It would be very sad if you weren't such an obnoxious, bigoted, reactionary ass.

I'm simply throwing your own words back at you. If you don't like it, you're perfectly free to indulge in your little hobby somewhere else.

What now, the old “Sun-Yat Sen was the Emperor of China” bulldada? A forgery by a man desperate to stay in a country when a racist law went into effect is not relevant in the slightest.

And you're the dumbass that foolishly believes that WND has journalistic integrity or credibility.

“Releasing the image of a document on a left wing web site does not inspire confidence that everything is kosher with his birth registration.”

But WND tells the truth? The Annenbergs were left wing? O RLY?

You've completely lost what little mind you had. You are blinded but irrational hatred, hubris and racism. You must miss the Bush years terribly.

Here's more propaganda for your bricks of denial:

WorldNetDaily: Officially Discredited
http://conwebwatch.tripod.com/stories/2008/wndl…

WorldNetDaily, Liar
http://conwebwatch.tripod.com/stories/2004/wndl…

WorldNetDaily's Obama Birth Certificate Lies
http://conwebwatch.tripod.com/stories/2009/wndb…

I can't say it better than bearclaw:
“You are determined never to be satisfied. You hate this President, and if you let go of your hatred, you would have nothing left in your life. Sad.”

Indeed.

I posted at the top about the neighbor who allegedly said she had never seen a black baby next door. What she actually said (according to affidavit offered by a private investigator for the birfers), was in effect: “Oh, the Obamas. They didn’t live next door, they lived over in Waikiki.” She knew them, she remembered them, and they lived about 6 miles away.

Another distraction by the birfers. A college student used her parents’ address as her permanent address on birth records. She lived about 6 miles away from her parents. If anything, this all further establishes that the President was born in Hawaii (as if the COLB isn’t already sufficient proof).

A college student used her parents’ address as her permanent address on birth records. She lived about 6 miles away from her parents.

That appears to explain quite succinctly, reasonably and logically the evidence we see from the affidavits and the Polk directory. Very nice work.

“The past year has shown that Obama is a habitual liar.”

Well, pot. The kettle called back with an insightful observation. It turns out you're black as well.

Idiot.

You're grasping one of these.

Oh, please…

I know, every time he steps onto his talking scale it says “One person at a time please”.

And he gets *so* touchy whenever someone mentions that, or that hideous film of him ogling young girls, or anyone pointing out that, y'know, if the government is really this horrible intrusive force for EVIL that he claims it is, he should do the honorable thing and renounce his pension….

BTW, I've read Rules for Radicals. If Saul Alinsky were still alive, he'd probably whap you over the head with a copy for being an ass.

Oh, NC? “Occupation” should be singular, not plural, the word is “believe” not “beleive,” and your punctuation would embarrass a middle schooler.

I got curious about the claim that a neigbor of Stanley Ann Dunham's parents said that she had “never seen a black child” at Dunhams' address. Even if the neighbor said it, it doesn't prove anything about Obama's place of birth — it just means she didn't see him. But this seems to be a repeated talking point for birfers — probably because they can't accept the fact that the two contemporaneous Honolulu newspaper listings of Dept. of Health birth records completely undermine their delusion that Obama was not born in Hawaii. So I decided to check it out. Here is what I found:

The “no black baby” claim seems to be relying on a story that a neighbor, Beatrice Arakaki, lived next door at 6075 Kalanianaole Highway in 1961 and “never saw a black baby there.”

The source of the story is WND (big surprise):

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.printable&…

The WND story, in turn, relies on an “affidavit” from a private investigator, Jorge L. Baro, based in Florida. WND provided a copy of the “affidavit”:

http://www.wnd.com/files/baro.pdf

The problems with this “affidavit” are legion. First, it is signed by the affiant, but it is not notarized as being a “sworn” statement. Thus, it is not an affidavit — i.e. it is not a sworn statement and would not be admissible as a sworn statement in any court.

Second, the person with supposed “firsthand” knowledge regarding whether she had or hadn't seen “baby Obama” at his grandparent's address is Beatrice Arakaki. She did not sign this affidavit. Thus, the affidavit provides inadmissible “hearsay” evidence — i.e., it is a statement about what someone else said, proferred to prove the truth of what that other person said.

Third, the “affidavit” is actually DOUBLE hearsay. Mr. Baro did not interview Ms. Arakaki — one of his investigators did. Thus, the “affidavit” is at best based on what the investigator told Mr. Baro regarding what Ms. Arakaki told the investigator.

Fourth, if you actually bother to read the “affidavit,” you find that Beatrice Arakaki is not alleged to have told the investigator that she hadn't seen a black child at the Dunhams' address. Rather, it says the following:

“Investigators contacted Beatrice Arakaki, who lived at 6075 Kalanianaole Highway in Honolulu, Hawaii. Ms. Arakaki’s residence is next door to the alleged residence of Stanley Ann Dunham and Barack H. Obama Sr. at 6085 Kalanianaole Highway at the time the Senator was born in 1961. Ms. Arakaki said she has lived at her current residence on Kalanianaole since before 1961 to the present day. Ms. Arakaki said she had knowledge of the family living in Waikiki and not on Kalanianaole Highway.”

That's it. That is all it says. That is the whole smoking gun.

In other words, even if the “affidavit” is correct, Beatrice Arakaki just says the Obamas were living somewhere else — in HAWAII. She actually knew of them. She doesn't say “I didn't see a black child there.” She may well have seen him. She just says they were living in Waikiki.

So at worst what we have here is Barack Obama's parents using his maternal grandparents' address as the address for his birth records. Remember that the Obamas were college students. Most students I knew in college moved a lot, and as a consequence would use a parent's home address as their permanent mailing address. What a shock.

I confirmed that Beatrice Arakaki is listed at 6075 Kalanianaole Highway in the current Honolulu White pages.

Bottom line: she knew the Obamas, probably because she lived next door to Stanley Ann Dunham's parents. She knew where the Obamas lived: in Waikiki. That is consistent with the address for Barack Sr. of 625 11th Avenue, Honolulu, per the Polk Directory, and is (according to Mapquest) 5.81 miles (or a 12 minute drive) away from the address of Stanley Ann Dunham's parents. Perhaps Barack Obama never “lived” at 6085 Kalanianaole Highway. But his parents lived a couple of minutes away, and it is undisputed that his grandparents lived at the address given in the Dept. of Health vital statistics columns in the two Honolulu newspapers.

No fraud. In fact, if the “affidavit” is correct, it is further support that our President was born in Hawaii.

As always BC, the truth trumps the paranoid. Thanks for the usual thorough job. So, let's see how NC's reasons for thinking Obama was NOT born in Hawaii now stacks up…
ORIGINAL LIST:
“Neighbors (address mentioned in Obama's birth announcement) said that no black child ever lived there. Obama's family gave the false address to the DoH, it would not be a surprise if the complete birth registration was based on a false statement by a relative. DEBUNKED AS LIES

African newspapers (not birthers) published an article about Kenyan-born Obama few years back when there was no talk about his eligibility for presidency. DEBUNKED

Kenyan ambassador in the USA gave an interview to a radio station from Detroit. He confirmed the Kenya birth (Obama's father was never mentioned in that interview).” DEBUNKED

Well, there you go NC, all your reasons have been debunked or shown to be outright lies. That ought to make you feel better now, since you have no reason to believe Obama was born anywhere but Hawaii. You've just further added to the list of blowers who have actually PROVEN that Obama is legally in the WH. Let's add you to the list…

BorderRaven: CONFIRMED Obama's status
NaturalizedCitizen: CONFIRMED Obama's status

Amazingly thorough and clear work provided by John_C, Steve_X, and bearclaw. Thanks to you gentlemen for your time and expertise.

I haven't been a legal secretary in years, but I can tell you right now that no lawyer worth a bucket of warm spit would have allowed such a document to leave his/her office. It's not notarized*, there's a great of theorizing and political ranting, and what little actual information is there should be in a separate affidavit made by the actual investigator, not the investigator's supervisor.

In short, this is legally worthless. Shows how desperate the birthers are.

*Neither are affidavits in Massachusetts, but there's a formula in the first paragraph asserting that the affiant is of legal age, competent, and is making the statement under the pains and penalties of perjury. Clearly Florida affidavits *are* supposed to be notarized.

I can’t fathom why you don’t find something that happened 55 years prior to Statehood to be persuasive regarding Barack Obama’s State-issued COLB.

I can’t fathom why you don’t find something that happened 55 years prior to Statehood to be persuasive regarding Barack Obama’s State-issued COLB.

Oh, even better: he's posted this ridiculous “timeline” on Scribd.com and linked to it on a couple of very, very old threads (“We have a country to save!” is one of them). Among the beauties contained therein is an assertion that “Spring Break” at the University of Hawaii started in May and ran through September.

That's right. Spring Break was in MAY and lasted through SEPTEMBER. Am I the only person who thinks that our gallant Dessert Shield veteran actually meant, oh, SUMMER VACATION?????

Thanks for the awesome research and sensible interpretation, bearclaw. That's not something we see all that often these days.

Monty Python and the Holy Grail: “Run away, run away!”

Pesky facts! Thanks for the informative post. I'm filing it away. I still have your fun and fact filled explanation on the truth behind De Vattel's writings archived as well for handy reference.

To wit (pun intended):

Here's your problem, which has been addressed over and over:

The language you birthers love to quote, the language you have quoted, comes from p. 101 of the 1797 English translation, published in London, of the French original. Take a look:

http://books.google.com/books?id=z8b8rrzRc7AC&d…

As you should know, that is 10 years after the conclusion of the Constitutional Convention, and seven years after ratification by Rhode Island (the last of the 13 colonies to ratify). Can you show us a version contemporary to the Constitutional Convention that says the same thing? There was an English translation published in 1759, and one published in 1787. Neither used the term “natural-born citizen.” And the original text in French does not use a direct parallel of “natural born citizen.”

So for the Founding Fathers to have based the phrase “natural born citizen” on de Vattel requires that the 1797 translation travel back in time 10 years.

I knew I should've gone to school in Hawaii. A four-month spring break? Yes, please.

Why are you complaining about WND being the source of the story? The article is well written with lots of details including the use of Polk directory including snapshots of its content. Other media outlets did not bother to check the validity of the address reported in the birth announcement.

The newspaper announcements do not prove that Obama was born in Hawaii. Without examining the original birth registration there is no way to differentiate between the Hawaii hospital birth and an unattended birth reported by relatives. For all we know we could be relying on a truthfulness of a relative who registered birth. If DoH took their word for granted they could have fraudulently register a foreign birth as a Hawaii one.
Newspapers would have printed it the same way as if person was born in a Hawaii hospital.

If the official story were true the DoH should have a birth registration that originated in the Kapiolani hospital. Yet it has been hidden from public. Obama did not mention the Kapiolani until after the inauguration. His behavior regarding the birth certificate indicates that he does not have one that would show Kapiolani as the birth hospital.

And in return you're going to get lie after abject denial after lie after feeble excuse after denial after lie after irrelevant conjecture after lie after lie after lie after . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

It pointed bearclaw to the WND article. It is their research not bearclaw's.

Who debunked any of the items from your list? Only in your head.

Even bearclaw confirmed that Obama's parents did not live at the address reported in the newspapers.
If I listed a mailing address where my parents lived (another country) could it be used as a proof of my residency?

A newspaper in Kenya published the article with the big headline “Kenyan-Born Obama…”. You can find it on the web.

Listen to the complete interview with the ambassador of Kenya. It is posted on YouTube. The name of Obama's father was never mentioned in the interview. There was no confusion about the fact that they were talking about senator Obama.

I know. I expect it. It is what birfers do. And I won't bother responding directly to anything NC says unless NC offers proof that Barack Obama was born anywhere other than Hawaii. Her opinions are completely speculative and unsubstantiated. She needs to get a life.

Sorry, mascara-babe, but what WND posted wasn't an “investigator's report.” It was a very, very, very badly written, unnotarized, legally admissible attempt at an affidavit. No court in the country would take it seriously, and none has.

Once again, you lose.

Bullshit. Bearclaw DEBUNKED their crappy attempt at research.

Liar.

Sorry, NC, you've now proven yourself that Obama was born in Hawaii and is our legally elected President. You now join Borderraven as Obama supporters. Thanks for playing.

We only got a week at Smith. It was barely enough time to drive to my friend's house in Pennsylvania and back.

Sorry, NC, you've now proven yourself that Obama was born in Hawaii and is our legally elected President. You now join Borderraven as Obama supporters. Thanks for playing.

“A newspaper in Kenya published the article with the big headline “Kenyan-Born Obama…”. You can find it on the web.”

Once again for the terminally stupid:

Paul Colford, director of media relations for the Associated Press: “The AP has never reported that President Obama was born in Kenya. In fact, AP news stories about the state of Hawaii have confirmed that he was born there. The Kenyan paper that you cite rewrote a 2004 AP story, adding the phrase ‘Kenyan-born.’ That wording was not in the AP version of the story.”

1. WND is not an objective news source. It is a propaganda factory. If you are too fanatical or stupid to be able to tell the difference, that's not my problem.

2. The newspaper announcements are unequivocal, contemporary evidence that the President was born in Hawaii, not in Zanzibar or Equatorial Guinea or the dark side of the moon. Your attempts to characterize them as something else are amateurish speculation that would not impress a high school teacher.

3. The President has hidden nothing.

4. Susan Daniel's “report” was so poorly done that no court in the land would have admitted it.

5. There is no conspiracy in the American judiciary that is denying Orly Taitz and her cast of idiots a fair hearing. Their suits are being thrown out *because she has no case, no evidence, and no witnesses*. Wild speculation, coincidences, and a story that would not make it out of the slush pile at Thrilling Wonder Stories in 1937 do not constitute a legal case.

6. If you hate the President so much, volunteer for one of his opponents in two years. Otherwise, stop wasting everyone's time.

And here is the link to the Kenyan newspaper, which added to the AP story the notion that Obama is “Kenyan-born”: http://web.archive.org/web/20040627142700/easta…

Of course, there has never been a bit of evidence to support that. And the news article is from 2004, when Obama was an Illinois state senator.

If that newspaper headline proves our President was born in Kenya, then the following photograph conclusively proves that Ronald Reagan was born in Ballyporeen, Ireland: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:President_Rea…

The banner quite clearly says: “Welcome Home to Ballyporeen Mr. President.”

And the snopes.com thorough debunking:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/a…

” . . . the Associated Press made no such reference . . . “

” . . . archived versions of U.S. newspapers that published the same AP wire story (such as the San Diego Union-Tribune and the Seattle Times) do not include lead-ins identifying Barack* Obama as 'Kenyan-born.'”

*misspelled as Barrack in the doctored Sunday Standard version.

“If the official story were true the DoH should have a birth registration that originated in the Kapiolani hospital. Yet it has been hidden from public.”

It's called the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act (HIPAA) of 1996 (P.L.104-191). Look it up instead of being such an obstinate, mentally challenged freak of nature. Ha ha. Just kidding. I know you're long gone.

For reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protected_health_i…

The newspaper announcements do not prove that Obama was born in Hawaii.

The evidence is pretty overwhelming that Obama was born in Hawaii, and at Kapi'olani, like he says…

1. We have two contemporaneous newspaper announcements of Obama's Hawaii birth.

2. We have a Hawaiian official stating on the record that Obama's original vital records show he was born in Hawaii.

3. We multiple high-resolution images of a Hawaii COLB which lists Obama's place of birth as the island of Oahu, and it shows a registration date completely consistent with the contemporary birth announcements and a certificate number almost exactly the same as two other people born within 24 hours of Obama at Kapi'olani, a number which could not have been faked based on the information available when the images were made.

4. The address in the birth announcements belonged to Obama's grandparents.

5. The neighbor living next door to that address confirms Obama's grandparents lived there and has gone on the record as apparently recalling Obama's parents living in Waikiki.

6. An official for Kapi'olani confirms that President Obama sent Kapi'olani a letter indicating it was his birth hospital – and that Kapi'olani considers it a cherished possession.

7. A Kapi'olani publication openly concedes that President Obama was born there. See http://www.kapiolanigift.org/doc/centennial-mag…, page 2.

Arrayed against this evidence are gems like the following:

1. Dr. Fukino did not use the exact wording of the “natural born Citizen” clause of the Consistution in her statement.

2. The images of the COLB don't show as much bleed through as other COLBs (but more than others).

3. Claims that a COLB can legally state Obama was born in Hawaii even if DoH records showed he wasn't born in Hawaii.

4. A document certifying Obama's nomination omitted reference to his eligibility in a second version – even though that version is identical with that filed for John Kerry in 2004.

5. Hawaii officials refuse to violate Hawaii laws by verifying online images of Obama's COLB to legally non-interested persons.

6. Obama sealed his personal records in his first executive order, except for the fact that that order does not address his personal records.

7. Obama must have used a foreign passport to travel to Pakistan in 1981 because U.S. citizens were barred from traveling there, except for the fact that they weren't.

8. Sarah Obama said she was “present” in her village when Obama was born, only to clarify in no uncertain terms that Obama was born in Hawaii.

9. Ann Dunham traveled to Kenya to visit her new husband's family, despite the fact that no one has shown how she went there, her source of funds, who she visited, anyone who recalls her visit, any records of her visit, how she reacted to her husband's other wife and child, why she would have given birth on the other side of the country from Obama's relatives, why it was so important for baby Barack to be born on U.S. soil when the same wasn't true for Maya, how she made it back to Hawaii in such quick time after Barack was born at a time when rapid airline travel from a third-world country to Hawaii on short notice would have been prohibitively expensive for someone on a student's budget, or why Obama's grandparents, who were respected professionals, would commit fraud to ensure Obama's birth was recorded in the U.S., or how Ann Dunham would have had enough legal sophistication to know that, as a single mother three months shy of age 19, she couldn't confer her citizenship to her son if he was born out of the country.

10. Obama's COLB gives a date that his birth was “Filed by the Registrar” rather than “Accepted,” which would indicate his birth wasn't properly registered except for the fact that the COLB itself exists to make such a representation and the HRS requires that a document can only be filed if it is “substantially complete” – which is the standard requirement for documents properly filed with the state such as birth and death certificates, title deeds and so on.

11. Obama's COLB has a typographical quirk in that there is no space between a comma and the year of his birth, which would indicate a poor forgery except for the existence of another 2007 COLB which has the same feature.

Let's face it, this isn't an evenly-matched fight.

John_C: “Let's face it, this isn't an evenly-matched fight.”

It was a fight? I thought they were just a comedy act. Well, at least now they've proven Obama was born in Hawaii. BorderInsane and NaturalizedNut are now both honorary Obots.

But, but, but . . . the State of Nevade makes a distinction between “filed” and “accepted.” Isn't that worth SOMETHING?

Nice job! You not only nailed the coffin shut, you buried it six feet under.

In reading the affidavit, I would think Obama's lawyer would like to call Ms. Arakaki to testify FOR them if they ever needed to (which they won't). This isn't a smoking gun against Obama, it's an affirmation. There wasn't even a question about a baby. Seems as if they avoided asking, or even more important, didn't add that part to their report. Doesn't that make you wonder, NC? Why did they not ask about a baby? Had she ever talked with her neighbor about the new grandchild? What do you think they're hiding. Wasn't their whole reason for going there to ask about a baby?

Or, did I just hit myself in the head with an anvil and imagine that NC could think something so thin as where this 19-year was staying, with her husband or with her parents, probably both since they were having problems, has in any way any importance to the election of a President? I would think any girl in that situation would give her parents address…assuring she could be found.

So, NC, now that you're an honorable Obot, it's time to earn your wings. You need to go to WND and ask all those important questions. YOU WANT ANSWERS and you need to get them there. Prove to the world you truly aren't that stupid!

The modus operandi of birfers seems to be to try to find inconsistencies, and when they find inconsistencies, they trumpet them as proof. Of something. Usually, they aren't quite certain what.

Thus, if the newspaper vital statistics columns list the address of the Obamas as 6085 Kalanianaole Highway, and that is actually the address of Stanley Ann Dunham's parents, then it MUST be significant. The birfers focus on the leaves, and miss both the trees and the forest. The issue is eligibility for the Presidency. The question is where Barack Obama was born, not whether his parents were sleeping at 6085 Kalanianaole Highway or a few miles away (in the same state, on the same island) in Waikiki. The evidence is unequivocal: they lived in Hawaii, and Barack Obama was born there. There is literally no evidence to the contrary: no foreign birth certificate, no contemporary newspaper records, no passport records, nothing to establish foreign birth. So the birfers focus on inconsistencies, as if ordinary life isn't full of inconsistencies that have no deep or nefarious significance.

In the first 10 years after I left home for college, I lived at at least 11 different addresses. I wasn't hiding from anyone. It is just a fact that college students, at least in this country, tend to move: dorms, apartments, in with lovers, away for summer jobs, into a house with a bunch of friends. (Maybe the birfers dropped out of high school and worked at Dairy Queen or Piggly Wiggly while living at home with mom and her new drunk boyfriend, so they don't understand this). Especially in college, I used my parents' address as my permanent address. It wasn't to mislead anyone. It wasn't to try to establish residency (we lived in the same state, as Ann Dunham and her parents did). It was just easier — if anyone sent something to my parents' address, my parents forwarded it to me. Now I've lived in the same house for over 20 years. My kids are in college, and my house is their permanent mailing address.

There is no “address-gate” scandal. It is just real life, which isn't always perfectly square at the corners. If birfers lived real lives, they would know this.

In case no one's read this yet, Orly's latest masterpiece: http://www.scribd.com/doc/28280224/TAITZ-v-OBAM…

Threatening the judge again, I see. Yeah, they like that.

I can't see how this will end well for the oily, tainted one.

Alluding to the judge being “slow” is probably not a good thing either as she does in the “let's try it again slowly” under Section 7 on page 8. I haven't even finished the entire document yet- I had to stop. I would really like to hear what bearclaw has to say about the document after he reads it. Just the first 8 or 9 pages have my head hurting. Reading gibberish isn't easy.

My personal favorite part is this: “Judge Land is a federal employee and as such works for the Chief Executive of the federal Government, Obama.”

Until I read that, I could've sworn that the judiciary was a separate branch of government. Guess I was wrong!

There is that part and the blatant accusations against Attorney General Holder of being dishonest and I guess all in his office. And how the judge will be guilty if he doesn't find in her favor and I can't even remember it all. Wow- what a bunch of craziness. Have you read the
TAITZ v OBAMA – 15.2 – REPLY to opposition to motion – # 2 Exhibit 2 – gov.uscourts.dcd.140567.15.2 ?

It is like 144 pages or something and I just started. Evidently this is what went to the SCOTUS.

In this other document she seems to be accusing several of the justices of ex parte communications with President Obama. Wonder how well that goes over with Supreme Court justices? And I'm just starting page 3!

More on the crazy train. Check this out:

Orly Taitz Approves Threats Against Judge's Grandchildren; Accuses the Weekly of Hate Crimes, Dunn of Lying
http://blogs.ocweekly.com/navelgazing/the-hilar…

The portrait of Oily and the Pancake is a little disturbing but her extreme misinterpretation is priceless.

That's one of the best parts about this whole “response:” if Obama is in fact the boss of every federal judge in existence, is this really that big of a surprise? Seeing as how Obama can apparently appoint and fire federal judges at will (without the advice and consent of the Senate, mind you) she shouldn't be at all surprised that he's telling them what to do.

Of course, this begs the question as to why she thinks that federal judges can order their “boss” to turn over all of this evidence at will. I'm pretty sure that will negatively affect their annual evaluations.

I'm guessing that the judge's decision as to whether to grant the motion will take longer than expected; after all, the judge has to run the decision by his boss President Obama before he can decide anything.

Nobody has irrefutable proof of Obama's birthplace. That is the problem.

We have contradicting stories about it. As you could see the Kenya newspaper article predate the eligibility debate.

Last year many articles related to the Obama eligibility issue were scrubbed of the Web. That is the reason why one has to examine archives to retrieve some of the original information.

Your ability to skip important details is showing once again. You have the ability to misquote the person and then continue arguing with your own creation.

I never said that I have the proof of Obama's birth in Kenya – my argument is simple: a contradictory information has been published regarding his birthplace. Another example is the Honolulu Advertiser story about Obama's birth in Indonesia. A third one was a story about his birth in Queen's hospital.

None of these people had motive to intentionally mislead the readers about Obama's birthplace. Yet, if the official story were true, they did just that. As a minimum this illustrates that Obama was very secretive about his birthplace. He did not mention Kapiolani as his birthplace (at least I am not aware of it) until January 24, 2009. It is interesting that there are two autobiographies and this detail was not mentioned.

The original birth certificate is still hidden from US public. A person with nothing to hide would have behave differently from what we have seen from Obama.

In your pro-Hawaii birth arguments list items 1 – 5 include the possibility that Obama's birth was registered by a relative.

That leaves us with items 6 and 7 which are actually just one item – Obama's letter to Kapiolani. The hospital did not confirm his birth there.

They were so proud (sarcasm) of the letter that they took it down from their web site once WND started asking questions about its authenticity. Why was there a question about authenticity – well they made a fake letter (HTML document, based on the information in the actual one) and posted it on the web. That is the copy you see in the publication.

You did not include in your analysis Obama's behavior regarding the birth certificate issue. There would have been no debate had he been able to show the original birth certificate consistent with the official story.

Obama could end the birthplace debate in an instant – yet he has not done so. What is the motivation to continue playing games with the public? We have been debating the circumstantial evidence – the “smoking gun” is in the DoH archive.

Obama could walk the walk and practice the transparency, change of tone in Washington D.C.,… that he promised during the campaign. Nobody prevents him from authorizing the release of the original birth certificate.

Bush let Woodward roam through the White House while he was writing a book. It is a scary thought that Bush has set too high standards for Obama to follow.

The neighbor's statement is important because it tells us that Obama did not live at that address. We are left with speculations only.

This is where the original birth certificate comes into play. It could confirm the official story – yet Obama refuses to authorize its release. His behavior does not make any sense if he was born in Hawaii.
It makes perfect sense if he was born outside the USA and his birth was fraudulently registered as unattended birth in Hawaii.

You have avoided commenting on the possibility that Obama's birth was reported as an unattended birth. Publicly known facts abut his birth do not exclude this scenario.

It seems to me that you do not consider Obama's character (habitual liar as demonstrated in the past year) in your evaluation of the eligibility issue?

LOL.

The 1797 translation clearly indicates that, at the time of early Congress, there were people who thought that the phrase “natural born citizen” is the proper translation of the phrase used by Vattel. This is not a contemporary invention. Even Bible translations change slightly over time.

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Honorary Obot NC, and what proof do you have he was born anywhere but Hawaii?

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Honorary Obot NC, and what proof do you have he was born anywhere but Hawaii?

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Honorary Obot NC, and what proof do you have he was born anywhere but Hawaii?

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Honorary Obot NC, and what proof do you have he was born anywhere but Hawaii?

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Honorary Obot NC, and what proof do you have he was born anywhere but Hawaii?

You really should take your comedy act to Vegas. Maybe Netroot Nations will give you the attention you crave?

Keep piling it up, NC. You're just bringing the crazy.

Bush let Woodward into the White House because a) Bob Woodward is an accredited reporter, and b) he wanted someone to write his propaganda. Not the same as letting an insane Moldovan with bad eye makeup see his personal papers.

Desperation is so, so pretty when it's a crazed Balkan birther.

Look, NC has a new hobby! It's called “back pedalling!” What a moron!

The crazy AND the fail. The epic, epic fail.

Did you realize that you gave a big compliment to a “dummy” Bush?
According to you, he was able to get Woodward to write a propaganda for him.

What did the “genius” Obama do – he used no names from Daily Kos, Politifacts and FactCheck to present his side in the birthplace debate.