Orly Taitz Appeals to United Nations for Protection, Investigation

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Monday, February 22, 2010 at 4:44 pm

I try not to write about every development in the career of Orly Taitz, but I have to make an exception for her appeal to the United Nations for “urgent action under the mandate for human rights defenders.” Her attorney, Jonathan Levy, writes that Taitz is under “increasing legal attack in the United States from groups and individuals opposed to her legal actions challenging the Constitutional qualifications of Barrack Hussein Obama to hold the office of President of the United States.”

The irony of Taitz appealing to the hated organ of world government for this really goes without saying.

ORLY TAITZ APPEALS TO UN FOR PROTECTION FROM PERSECUTION IN U.S. – 27277636 Immediate Release February 22 2010

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evreport
Comment posted February 22, 2010 @ 5:04 pm

You know who Levy is, right? He's the guy who sues the Vatican and defends Serbian war criminals. Birther lawyers are all so exotic.


katahdin
Comment posted February 22, 2010 @ 5:27 pm

Ha Ha Ha! This is so hilarious I can hardly type. The “well known Constitutional attorney” who hardly knows anything about the Constitution or the law is alleging that being ruled against in frivolous lawsuits and subjected to richly-deserved criticism and mockery by the media and the public at large constitutes human-rights violations against her loony person.
How long can it be before Sarah Palin files for protection against Tina Fey?
Maybe Rush Limbaugh will appeal to the UN for relief from Al Franken.
This could be the beginning of a trend.


katahdin
Comment posted February 22, 2010 @ 5:30 pm

That sounds about right. Orly Taitz has committed many crimes: against the court, common sense, and logic. And then there are her mascara offenses.


Lafayme
Comment posted February 22, 2010 @ 5:34 pm

Well, Levy is no doubt Jewish and she is Jewish.She isn't going to get protection here in America with the thuggery political machine that gives power & derives power from Obama. Birthers are ridiculed by the left and right and the mainstream media, even Fox will not touch the subject and any politician that even states that Americans have a right to see proof because of the Freedom of Information Act are treated like ppl that believe Elvis is alive. The tin foil hate should be worn by ANYONE WHO JUST BELIEVES HE WAS BORN IN HAWAII…because there is absolutely no proof that he is a Constitutional Natural Born Citizen. The person that signed off on him running for President never had him provide evidence…just took his word for it. Anyone that believes there is proof (FactCheck/Fightthesmears) haven't really vetted that so called proof on those sites.
http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/…
All you have to do is “doubt” and really look at all the evidence shown on Obamacrimes.com …to not do so is like believing in the Tooth Fairy. The money is there so someone says the Tooth Fairy brought it. The ones that should be mocked are those that just “trust” anything the Obama thuggery machine tells you. …the only CHANGE you can believe in.


ccatl
Comment posted February 22, 2010 @ 5:45 pm

Wow. Just… wow. You are really one whacked out human being. Good luck with that!


zoneace
Comment posted February 22, 2010 @ 5:46 pm

So, I'm pretty sure her attorney is completely unqualified cause he spelled Pres. Obama's name wrong in the official appeal. Barrack? With 2 R's? What an idiot. Also, Orly Taitz is a shrieking harpy of insanity.


borderraven
Comment posted February 22, 2010 @ 5:47 pm

Why would anyone fearing political persecution from a tyrant and dictator, run to the UN which is full of tyrants and dictators?


phillybits
Comment posted February 22, 2010 @ 5:50 pm

Suspected assassination attempt? No doubt by the 18th Division of the Obama Brownshirt Death Squad!!

aka…

Basement dwelling, Cheetos-eating, Marxist, Socialist, Communist, Fascist, Nazi, hippie, educated, East Coast, elitist, Birkenstock wearing, fag-loving, hommos munching, Arugula picking, (former) Whole Foods shopping, Volvo driving, Soros-funded, anti-American, pro-baby killing, anti-troop, pro-terrorist, anti-capitalist, ACORN loving, Black-Panther supporting, public school supporting, pro-evolution, anti-God heathen liberals who love them some labor union bloggers!!11!!1!!111!!

Hallelulah! Holy Shit!

/Nat'lLampoonsChristmas


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted February 22, 2010 @ 5:53 pm

Reading too much WorldNetDaily, are we?


katahdin
Comment posted February 22, 2010 @ 5:53 pm

Well, you're right. Except for the fact that Hawaii state officials have twice verified that President Obama was born in the United States, and the two birth announcements in Honolulu papers, and the statement of a woman who talked to a doctor who was there on the night the president was born, and the fact that his mother, his father, and his grandfather were all living in Hawaii at the time, there's just no evidence at all that President Obama was born in the US.
On the other side, there's two fake Kenyan birth certificates, part of an interview with his Kenyan grandmother (no need to listen to the whole thing!), wildly fanciful–and therefore highly believable stories– of fake Social Security numbers and foreign adoption And let's not forget some very special interpretations of the law and the Constitution.

So, of course, you're right. No evidence at all as to where the president was born.


jp1954
Comment posted February 22, 2010 @ 5:56 pm

To cover all her bases, she should also forward an appeal to the Klingon Empire. No point in taking chances.


Gah.
Comment posted February 22, 2010 @ 6:02 pm

You are a moron. That is all.


CTSadler
Comment posted February 22, 2010 @ 6:08 pm

What the hell is a tin-foil hate and where can I get one? It sounds fabulous!


katahdin
Comment posted February 22, 2010 @ 6:13 pm

The US, however, is run by neither a tyrant nor a dictator. We have ourselves and duly-elected, legal president. I've heard he's darn good-looking too.


thepoliticalcat
Comment posted February 22, 2010 @ 6:14 pm

Have mercy! Couldn't she just get the Mossad to pull a trick like they did with that Hamas guy? Or have her Israeli fellow-citizens decided that she is just as batshit crazy as her American fellow-citizens think she is?


thepoliticalcat
Comment posted February 22, 2010 @ 6:15 pm

I hope you are under the care of a physician, because he can probably adjust your medication so that you cease blathering nonsense. If you are not, consider some of our fine free mental health clinics. There *is* help.


tlgeiger1162
Comment posted February 22, 2010 @ 6:19 pm

That would be the “ironic” part.


tlgeiger1162
Comment posted February 22, 2010 @ 6:21 pm

Bless your heart.


tlgeiger1162
Comment posted February 22, 2010 @ 6:23 pm

Somebody get this woman a chair!

I'll go get an ice cold bucket of water to throw on her!


katahdin
Comment posted February 22, 2010 @ 6:27 pm

Does Orly Taitz know that conservatives hate the UN?


Antibirther
Comment posted February 22, 2010 @ 6:39 pm

the “assasination” attmempt was that the clamp on an emission control hose came off on her car.


Jim
Comment posted February 22, 2010 @ 6:43 pm

I can only come up with one simple statement that covers this…

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Nuf said!


obamacornlies
Comment posted February 22, 2010 @ 6:47 pm

Remove the Usurper! ASAP!


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted February 22, 2010 @ 6:47 pm

I suppose it would have eventually killed her with lower gas mileage and higher gasoline costs.


Antibirther
Comment posted February 22, 2010 @ 6:49 pm

Orly claims that the missing clamp in the drawing marked up by the mechanic, attached to this letter:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/26958875/DOC-100-Keye…

is evidence of a plot against her life.


katahdin
Comment posted February 22, 2010 @ 6:52 pm

Sorry, some people are just messy when they eat ice cream cones. Oh, Usurper!
I thought you said Slurper. Never mind.


Antibirther
Comment posted February 22, 2010 @ 6:55 pm

According to Chistopher-Earl: Strunk, In esse, on page 6 of this document only he is entitled to call Obama an usurper:

That Declarant on January 23, 2009 duly fired Barack Hussein Obama from the POTUS Trustee / Administrator use of Declarant’s Power of Attorney as shown as Exhibit J sub-exhibit 1, and that Declarant is the only person in the Country duly entitled to refer to Barack Hussein Obama as the “Usurper”, which he is.


Antibirther
Comment posted February 22, 2010 @ 7:03 pm

The tin foil hate

Interesting typo.


ohsuzanna
Comment posted February 22, 2010 @ 7:29 pm

Since I am a lawyer myself, I am always interested in the background of the legal counsel who pop up from time to time in these cases. I wasn't disappointed in Dr. Jonathan Levy (that is, Doctor in the Ph.D sense…).
He and Orly graduated from the same correspondence course law school – William Howard Taft University Law School. Here's a link to his Firm's website (and I use the term “Firm” advisedly). Brimstone & Co. indeed! http://www.brimstoneandcompany.com/home


katahdin
Comment posted February 22, 2010 @ 7:48 pm

I found about six grammatical mistakes just on the home page. I feel sorry for any poor sap who makes the “errors or mistakes” of engaging that firm.


ranchero42
Comment posted February 22, 2010 @ 7:48 pm

Everyone should wish Ms. Taitz a long life as an entertainer. The Right because she is doing her part to help them to look sane by comparison. The Left as well because they could never raise enough money to pay someone to manufacture crud like Orly pulls from her own personal immune system.


Irish_Wake
Comment posted February 22, 2010 @ 7:52 pm

1) “Dr.” Levy states in writing that Orly Taitz is a human rights defender.
Question: What human right or rights has Ms. Taitz defended?

2) “Dr.” Levy states in writing that Orly Taitz is a 'well known Constitutional attorney.'
Question: How many cases must be dismissed by the American court system on legal grounds before one is considered a 'well known Constitutional attorney.'


Irish_Wake
Comment posted February 22, 2010 @ 7:57 pm

I think this is evidence that her mechanic views a Chilton's guide the same way Orly views the Constitution.


Antibirther
Comment posted February 22, 2010 @ 8:25 pm

The “about us” page fails to mention the senior, and silent, partner, Dr. Lou Cipher.


monkey99
Comment posted February 22, 2010 @ 9:09 pm

There's two options for Orly.

1) She can always expatriate.

2) She can prove to all she is a raving idiot by walking up and down O.C. holding signs with those “end of the world” messages, babbling to herself.

Of course, since Rock and movie stars get the same responses, is she now equating her notorious reputation to them? They don't go whining to the U.N., though.


ellid
Comment posted February 22, 2010 @ 9:47 pm

Because she's an ungrateful traitor who has rewarded the United States for granting her succor by spitting on its institutions and clogging its legal system with her ridiculous excuse for briefs.

Also, sailor boy, if you really think that America is now a dictatorship, you are even dumber than I'd thought.


ellid
Comment posted February 22, 2010 @ 9:48 pm

That sums up Orly pretty nicely.


ellid
Comment posted February 22, 2010 @ 9:50 pm

Look, everyone! It's the latest version of IT CAME FROM THE BLACK FRYALATOR!!!!! Quick, someone call Count Floyd!


ellid
Comment posted February 22, 2010 @ 9:53 pm

Don't you go dissing the Tooth Fairy, birther scum!

http://www.toothfairy-movie.com/


ellid
Comment posted February 22, 2010 @ 9:59 pm

Orly Taitz doesn't know that the earth is round.


ellid
Comment posted February 22, 2010 @ 10:00 pm

I cannot imagine being desperate enough to pay my hard-earned money to these clowns.


jamesbrummel
Comment posted February 22, 2010 @ 10:07 pm

I 'd use them if they took PayPal…hey! They take PayPal!


Epicurus
Comment posted February 22, 2010 @ 11:10 pm

This woman needs to stop clogging the courts and other forums with her frivolous, baseless motions. Failing that, I foresee confinement in her future.


Steve_X
Comment posted February 22, 2010 @ 11:42 pm

You misspelled “re-elect” and “President.”

Spell-check exists for a reason, you know.


Steve_X
Comment posted February 22, 2010 @ 11:44 pm

A tyrant and dictator? Dick Cheney isn't president you silly birther.


Steve_X
Comment posted February 22, 2010 @ 11:48 pm

I happen to be a proud member of the 18th Division, so I know for a fact that it wasn't us.


Steve_X
Comment posted February 22, 2010 @ 11:59 pm

Just out of curiosity, what parts would I need to build one of those thuggery machines? I ask because whenever I go out thugging I always think to myself “This is fun, but it'd go a lot faster if I had a machine do it for me.”


Midmo
Comment posted February 23, 2010 @ 12:17 am

Obama has spent $1.7 million hiding his past–birth certificate, education, passport, etc. Why? hmmmm Orly Taitz has guts to stand up against the big mean Chicago machine. More power to her!!!!!!


Jim
Comment posted February 23, 2010 @ 12:25 am

Well, middummy, how come every case I've heard about…the plaintiffs have had to pay? In fact, I heard one plaintiff had to pay a grand total of $20.40 for Obama's defense. And I don't believe there's been more than like 60 losses for your side, so you math just doesn't add up. So why is it you have to lie? Is it because you're Orly and your husband cut you off? Or is it because you have no clue what you're talking about. I think I'll go with the latter. Oh yeah, since blowers are so dense, latter means the second one. Have a nice evening in La-La land. :-)


Steve_X
Comment posted February 23, 2010 @ 12:31 am

Actually the latest figures are closer to $117.6 quintrillion. The extra money was used to buy a cloaking device to cover up the fact that he even exists. That tall skinny black guy you keep seeing on TV? A figment of your imagination.


youmustbejoking
Comment posted February 23, 2010 @ 12:35 am

Well, I guess they want the entire world laughing and pointing their fingers at her. I can't believe she would go so far as to claim such crap. And her fellow “attorney” sounds like he is just as brilliant as Oily. What a joke, no thats too kind. What an effing idiot. X 2 I thought Oily was the chief idiot, but she may just have to move over and share the crown with her new buddy Levy. The king and queen of birthers! How soon can we deport them? Can''t we make them pay back all the money they are wasting in our court system?

Well known constitutional attorney? OMG, unbelievable!


trent1280
Comment posted February 23, 2010 @ 12:35 am

How do these crackpots find one another? Is there a list? A clubhouse? A secret initiation?

“Dr” Jonathan Levy appears to be as ill-qualified as “Dr” Taitz, and as cuckoo. Each went to an internet 'law school' because they were unqualified to enter a real law school. Anyone doubting this need only go to the California State Bar online, http://calbar.ca.gov/state/calbar/calbar_generi…, and see just how 'qualified' are Taitz and Levy.

A simple question: if Taitz and Levy were smart, skilled, and able enough to go to a REAL law school, why on earth would they choose to go to one that has no accreditation at all?

Orly will be disbarred soon enough for her manifest incompetence. Poor Mr Levy. He's next.


Margie
Comment posted February 23, 2010 @ 12:38 am

Easy there! Maybe you should go back on your meds.


Margie
Comment posted February 23, 2010 @ 12:38 am

Easy there! Maybe you should go back on your meds.


trent1280
Comment posted February 23, 2010 @ 12:43 am

$1.7 million? Where do you loons get these numbers? Apart from just inventing them out of the thin air you breathe, has it ever occurred that NO ONE believes you?

You have no proof. No evidence. No facts. Nothing. You have lost every single court case, every appeal, and every outcome. Midmo and the other nutsos who support “Dr” Taitz seem oblivious to their utter failure.

To quote a friend, “It's because you're bloody nuts. You're so totally nuts that squirrels with food fetishes stare at you in awe.”


trent1280
Comment posted February 23, 2010 @ 12:47 am

As before, “You're bloody nuts. You're so totally nuts that squirrels with food fetishes stare at you in awe.”


trent1280
Comment posted February 23, 2010 @ 12:52 am

Because she's… stupid?


chrisjay
Comment posted February 23, 2010 @ 1:01 am

Lafayme, you've gone & crossed the line with your outrageous and unsupportable contention that Elvis is NOT alive. Where do people like you get off making such scurrilous claims? Obviously you are one of the unwashed rabble who were taken in by the “funeral” , as well as the “gravesite” at Graceland. I have been demanding for years that the State of Tennessee produce the ORIGINAL LONGFORM death certificate for Elvis Aaron Presley for decades now; those Al Gore-appointed thugs have been evading, obfuscating and LYING! I don't care who thinks he's dead—-I know the King lives. I have all the proof you need here at PresleyLives.com ——-see for yourself if you dare.


trent1280
Comment posted February 23, 2010 @ 1:05 am

Yeah, but let's give credit where it's due. He managed to spell “ASAP” correctly.

For a birther, that's progress.


Steve_X
Comment posted February 23, 2010 @ 1:21 am

I've been trying to get Tennessee to release the long-form vault copy of Elvis' death certificate for years, but they keep sending me something called a “Certificate of Dead Death.” It's not the same!


monkey99
Comment posted February 23, 2010 @ 2:58 am

That third paragraph is a doozy.

Like I keep saying…..It's “natural law” at work (hey bb, you still out there?).


monkey99
Comment posted February 23, 2010 @ 3:08 am

Maybe bb can teach her about natural law.


monkey99
Comment posted February 23, 2010 @ 3:17 am

I've been waiting for the COLD, “Certification of Live Death”.


youmustbejoking
Comment posted February 23, 2010 @ 3:20 am

Prove it. The only thing any birther has come up with is the quarterly financial filings of the Democratic National Committee that shows they have paid a law firm each quarter. Obama isn't the only Democrat so how does that prove anything? I'm sure the law firm is on retainer for the DNC and does regular work for them. That is not proof they are doing anything at all for the president. Every time there has been a court hearing the president and all the rest of the government officials who are mentioned in the cases are represented by the Justice Department. No paid attorneys, only the ones we taxpayers pay. So every time Oily files another bogus case she is costing us money. Every case has been tossed. She needs to get a life and quit wasting our money. Our perhaps she should just leave. We allowed her to move to America and become a citizen and all she wants to do is tie up our courts on frivolous lawsuits and urge people to commit seditious acts- take up arms against the government. I don't think she deserves to live her anymore.


JohnC
Comment posted February 23, 2010 @ 3:21 am

“How do these crackpots find one another? Is there a list? A clubhouse? A secret initiation?”

A dog whistle.


TIREDOFSTUPID
Comment posted February 23, 2010 @ 5:07 am

WELL LETS THINK FOR A MINUTE. OH I FORGOT, NOBODY IN THE SAD LAND I WAS BORN INTO DON'T THINK. I WISH I HAD A WAY TO DO SOMETHING FOR ORLY. I STUMBLED UPON HER WHEN THE SINCLAIR PRESS CONFERENCE TO THE PRESS CLUB ACCURED. IN MY WORLD I PUT ORLY AS THE MOST QUALIFIED PERSON TO EVEN UTTER THE WORDS “I AM AN AMERICAN”. SHE IS THE ONLY TRUE AMERICAN. SOON I WILL MAKE UP MY MIND ON A NEW COUNTRY TO SETTLE IN. ANYONE ALREADY GOT ON THAT BUS YET? SUGGESTIONS? IM THINKING MEXICO. HELL IF PUSH COMES TO SHOVE, FULL ON JUNGLE TO SETTLE INTO.

ORLY I KNEW THIS WAS GOING TO HAPPEN AND WISH PERSONALLY WISH I WAS ABLE TO PUT A PROTECTIVE SHELL AROUND YOU THAT NO ONE COULD PENETRATE. PEACE TO THE ONLY TRUE AMERICAN. DR. ORLY TAITZ. THE EAGLE OF WHAT WAS AMERICA.

p.s. people get your head out your shoe and recover your stolen thought process. Hell its too late I am pretty sure. So never mind.


msdaisy
Comment posted February 23, 2010 @ 6:16 am

Orly Taitz is an idiot, and so is anyone else that falls for her bullshit. She is 100% responsible for her own situation, yet she sits there blaming everyone else and crying “poor pitiful me”. What a joke. She deserves whatever she gets.

http://crazyinternetpeople.blogspot.com/2010/02…


ellid
Comment posted February 23, 2010 @ 7:00 am

Bullshit. It's QUATLOOS, you silly birther! Quatloos! And don't you forget it!


Bostwick666
Comment posted February 23, 2010 @ 7:35 am

Another “patriot” choosing to show he loves the country by leaving it. Don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out, y'hear?


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted February 23, 2010 @ 8:10 am

Maybe you should go be her body guard.

Taitz is a legend in her own mind.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted February 23, 2010 @ 8:16 am

Your claim of Obama spending 1.7 million dollars – and I've even seen claims from birthtards that it is close to 2 billion – is good enough for lawn fertilizer. The DOJ has already said what has been spent on his 'defense' and the total billed to birther Berg was $20.40.

Birthtards have to be the stupidest people in this country since they don't have any idea how much it costs to go to court. The birthtard attorneys are the ones that have to put down the filing fees for each case and they also have to pay the defense costs if the defense wants their costs reimbursed. At an average of $500 per court case and 60 cases, do the math.


katahdin
Comment posted February 23, 2010 @ 8:56 am

A protective shell that no one can “penetrate.” I think someone want to “penetrate” Orly. Charlie Lincoln, is that you?


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Anthony
Comment posted February 23, 2010 @ 2:10 pm

Do this woman not realize that her behavior is in violation of human rights. Or, am I just misunderstanding the nature of Ms. Taitz’s relentless false accusations.


Anthony
Comment posted February 23, 2010 @ 2:21 pm

Ha. Ha. Ha. There is a reason that every corner of American society are ridicule birthers. It is because they are wrong. I really isn’t that complicated to understand.

The entire birther conspiracy lunaticity is about casting doubt about a genuine American birth certificate. One single document. Human rights organizations will only view bithers as the depth of human society that type of people that they fought against to remove from positions of power.


Anthony
Comment posted February 23, 2010 @ 2:26 pm

Honestly, the 2 R’s are minor to the utter insanity of the document. Ms. Taitz seems to be very desperate to protect herself to keep her license. However, this latest stunt will not bode well with the California Bar hearing that she has on February 26.


Anthony
Comment posted February 23, 2010 @ 9:38 am

The mentality that Ms. Taitz and people like borderraven are the reason that the United Nations Commission on Human Rights (UNCHR) exists. Yes, it is sad but true. Ms. Taitz appeal shows how great a nation America has become. When the bad guys have to complain that they can't persecute others then you know that you are on the right side of Human Rights.


Anthony
Comment posted February 23, 2010 @ 9:40 am

Sorry, it is even more funny than that. Imagine I forgot to buy popcorn.


Anthony
Comment posted February 23, 2010 @ 9:47 am

We might soon have enough footage of Ms. Taitz to keep us entertained for a long time. Maybe a cartoon series after this, live action just won't do.


Anthony
Comment posted February 23, 2010 @ 9:55 am

Wow. That number is for ever changing. An example of the legal cause is about $20.40. I think you are thinking more about the birther conspiracy idiocy. With the birther conspiracy idiocy never being able to get their facts straight.

You have two choice on how to feel about Ms. Taitz going to the UN. Pity for the fact that she is so silly. Or, laughter at how silly she is. Only those two. Now you probably understand why we consider her the queen birfer.


Anthony
Comment posted February 23, 2010 @ 10:00 am

It is hard to determine who is more crazy bb or Orly Taitz. Ms. Taitz has lied so many times, the third paragraph is just one of them.


Anthony
Comment posted February 23, 2010 @ 10:08 am

There is no reason to type in all caps. It doesn't improve your argument at all. Ms. Taitz is a flaming idiot. She honestly believes that a person can become a natural-born citizen 14 years after their parents become a citizen.

Ms. Taitz is un-American. Being a lawyer she doesn't believe in the rule of law. All the damage that Ms. Taitz has encounter have been self inflicted, all in the nature to seek attention.


ohsuzanna
Comment posted February 23, 2010 @ 10:16 am

Oh, I know! I saw that and forgot to mention it in my post. PayPal.


douchepolice
Comment posted February 23, 2010 @ 10:18 am

CAPS IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR INTELLIGENT COMMENTS


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted February 23, 2010 @ 10:28 am

Oily has now crossed the threshold beyond chiropteran excrement psychotic.


ellid
Comment posted February 23, 2010 @ 10:29 am

PayPal? PAYPAL??????


eetrinko
Comment posted February 23, 2010 @ 10:36 am

Oh wow, now that looks like a lot of fun dude.

Jess
http://www.complete-anonymity.cz.tc


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted February 23, 2010 @ 10:39 am

Ironically, because of her extremely obstinate close-mindedness she's already in a mental prison of her own making with no chance of parole. If she ever does contemplate an escape, she should check to see if it's raining before carving weapons from a bar of soap.


Name
Comment posted February 23, 2010 @ 10:47 am

to quote sarah palin -

“what a phucking retard!”


iamahugeidiot
Comment posted February 23, 2010 @ 11:03 am

>NOBODY IN THE SAD LAND I WAS BORN INTO DON'T THINK
>LAND I WAS BORN INTO DON'T THINK
>BORN INTO DON'T THINK
>DON'T THINK


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted February 23, 2010 @ 11:06 am

“TIREDOFSTUPID”

Indeed.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted February 23, 2010 @ 4:08 pm

You’re remaking Flashdance? ;-)


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted February 23, 2010 @ 4:10 pm

Better yet, the drooler cites israelinsider. com. Hmm. I wonder where they get their information?


katahdin
Comment posted February 23, 2010 @ 11:44 am

Excellent Woody Allen reference.


Lex
Comment posted February 23, 2010 @ 11:46 am

Cry my a river Orly, It´s a crime to spam the court´s with ffriviolous lawsuits , cant do the time dont do the crime Orly


Lex
Comment posted February 23, 2010 @ 4:53 pm

lafayme we view the birhers as tonfoil hat wearing crazy´s like we view the people who belive is alive as tonfoil hat wearing crazy´s because you are the same


David
Comment posted February 23, 2010 @ 11:54 am

Love that her Lawyers company is called Brimstone and Company.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted February 23, 2010 @ 11:54 am

Now that I've read this a little more thoroughly… Written by a true illiterate, simple minded person that is sure to fall into the well of conspiracy nuts like Orly.

NOBODY DON'T THINK. I hear they have a lot of room down in Mosquito (Miskito) Coast. You probably should move there and build your shangrala. Maybe you could bring ice to the natives?


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted February 23, 2010 @ 11:54 am

Now that I've read this a little more thoroughly… Written by a true illiterate, simple minded person that is sure to fall into the well of conspiracy nuts like Orly.

NOBODY DON'T THINK. I hear they have a lot of room down in Mosquito (Miskito) Coast. You probably should move there and build your shangrala. Maybe you could bring ice to the natives?


Derek
Comment posted February 23, 2010 @ 12:08 pm

FOR YOUR INFORMATION, CONSERVATIVES WRITE IN ALL CAPS BECAUSE WE ARE VERY, VERY ANGRY! AND ALSO BECAUSE OBAMA'S JACKBOOTED THUGS ARE UNABLE TO READ CAPITAL LETTERS. IT'S TRUE! LOOK IT UP! LEAVE ORLY TAITZ ALONE YOU SOCIALIST FASCIST ANARCHIST CLARINETIST COMMUNISTS! SOME OF US LOVE HER. I HAVE A PICTURE OF HER RIGHT HERE NEXT TO MY PILLS. NO WAIT: THAT'S PETER WELLER IN A BLOND WIG. NURSE, WHERE IS MY PICTURE OF ORLY TAITZ?


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted February 23, 2010 @ 12:14 pm

: D (thanks)

Louise: “He is always very depressed. I think that if he'd been a successful criminal, he would have felt better. You know, he never made the 'ten most wanted' list. It's very unfair voting; it's who you know.”


monkey99
Comment posted February 23, 2010 @ 12:27 pm

Was there a breakout at an insane asylum recently?


katahdin
Comment posted February 23, 2010 @ 12:29 pm

Is Ms. Taitz going to ask for asylum in another country to protect from the Obama brownshirt hordes? I wonder what country is crazy enough to take her? Maybe Moldova. Or how about Kenya, if they like crazy white women.


monkey99
Comment posted February 23, 2010 @ 12:33 pm

Did you see the “live” interplay between her, David Shuster and Tamryn Hall on MSNBC? There were folk who sent in animated clips of the interview. It was hilarious, just like the birfers!


Lafayme
Comment posted February 23, 2010 @ 1:48 pm

I assure you that I am sane, not on meds, and have never in my life even smoked a Mary Jane cig…which i doubt very seriously any of you can make the same claim. Some of you seem capable enough to put aside the adolescent mockery to be able to actually research information yourself instead of blindly “believing” in Obama..hmm hmm hmm …but you all seem quite capable of drinking the Kool-Aide you are all so like someone in a cult…really! Not one of you has really read the evidence against Obama. Everything shown as proof on FactCheck and Fight the Smears has all been shown to be forged by Photoshop. The newspaper announcements 13 days later could have been called in by a family member. Investigators have signed affidavits that verify that no such people ever lived at the given address.

http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/…
The DOH lady only states that she has seen the original birth record on file which could be a birth certificate filled out by the grandmother and could look like this one: http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r14/missnry/…

BUT REGARDLESS HE IS AN ILLEGITIMATE PRESIDENT BECAUSE HE IS A DUAL CITIZEN….A PRIMARY BRITISH SUBJECT VIA THE FATHER WHICH FAILS THE NATURAL BORN STATUS REQUIREMENT FOR THE POTUS that says both parents must be American citizens.
Since the forming of the Constitution there has been brought forth many bills into Congress to amend the NATURAL BORN CITIZEN requirement for POTUS with many committees formed to find a way to amend that and no one was ever able to change that.
But along comes Obama patted on the back, overlooking all his far left associations with Bill Ayers, etc. (Audacity of Hope: searching out Marxist, Communist, etc) Sitting in a church for 20 years that is as racist as the KKK (James Cone teaching: Damn any god that is not for the progression of the black man) mocking and attacking any opposition and stirring up the likes of all you that mimick the mockery and attacks for him.
If Orly has such a sorry law degree why is it that you are not idiots yourselves for not realizing that his dual citizenship makes him Constitutionally ineligible to be POTUS…and a big one has been pulled over on the America public. He is the Wizard of Oz….because he sits as our President and all let this Constitutional law go unchallenged …and anyone who does dare challenge this is made to look like an idiot….but you are all the gullible ones yourself….

SO I WILL STOP MY DEFENSE BUT I ASK ALL OF YOU ….WHY WAS THE FIRST EXECUTIVE ORDER HE SIGNED INTO LAW WAS A SEALING OF HIS IMPORTANT DOCUMENTS AND NO ONE WAS ALLOWED TO RELEASE TO THE PUBLIC ANY OF THE PRESIDENT'S RECORDS …EVEN AFTER HE IS NO LONGER PRESIDENT….WHY WOULD THAT BE HIS FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS..???? ….AND WHY WERE ALL THE RECORDS AROUND THE TIME OF HIS BIRTH SEALED…IN KENYA????
http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/2009/pdf/E9-1712.pdf
You all would drink Jim Jones' Kool-Aide….yep!…Sad really!


Steve_X
Comment posted February 23, 2010 @ 2:03 pm

NORMALLY I WOULDN'T BELIEVE YOU BUT SINCE YOU'RE WRITING IN ALL-CAPS IT MUST BE TRUE.


Anon
Comment posted February 23, 2010 @ 2:09 pm

LEAVE BRITTANY ORLY ALONE!

=)


A CONCERNED AMERICAN CITIZEN
Comment posted February 23, 2010 @ 2:13 pm

BARACK OBAMA IS NOT BORN IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA LIKE OUR FOUNDING FATHERS TEDDY ROOSEVELT, ABRAHAM LINCOLN AND TEDDY F KENNEDY. REST IN PEACE JORGE WASHINGTON BECAUSE OBAMA IS TRYING TO SPIT ALL OVER YOUR AMERICAN BORN GRAVE.


elpinche
Comment posted February 23, 2010 @ 2:16 pm

“A CONCERNED AMERICAN CITIZEN” is why Shakira is right, and that childhood development is important. Sure retarded kids are cute at a young age, but they end up like “A CONCERNED AMERICAN CITIZEN” when they're old and fat.


Lafayme
Comment posted February 23, 2010 @ 2:20 pm

Only 67% of Conservatives question his birth record….But a large majority of Hillary supporters with voters remorse question his birth assumption.
I assure you that I am sane, not on meds, and have never in my life even smoked a Mary Jane cig…which i doubt very seriously any of you can make the same claim. Some of you seem capable enough to put aside the adolescent mockery to be able to actually research information yourself instead of blindly “believing” in Obama..hmm hmm hmm …but you all seem quite capable of drinking the Kool-Aide you are all so like someone in a cult…really! Not one of you has really read the evidence against Obama. Everything shown as proof on FactCheck and Fight the Smears has all been shown to be forged by Photoshop. The newspaper announcements 13 days later could have been called in by a family member. Investigators have signed affidavits that verify that no such people ever lived at the given address.

http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/
The DOH lady only states that she has seen the original birth record on file which could be a birth certificate filled out by the grandmother and could look like this one: http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r14/missnry/

BUT REGARDLESS HE IS AN ILLEGITIMATE PRESIDENT BECAUSE HE IS A DUAL CITIZEN….A PRIMARY BRITISH SUBJECT VIA THE FATHER WHICH FAILS THE NATURAL BORN STATUS REQUIREMENT FOR THE POTUS that says both parents must be American citizens.
Since the forming of the Constitution there has been brought forth many bills into Congress to amend the NATURAL BORN CITIZEN requirement for POTUS with many committees formed to find a way to amend that and no one was ever able to change that.
But along comes Obama patted on the back, overlooking all his far left associations with Bill Ayers, etc. (Audacity of Hope: searching out Marxist, Communist, etc) Sitting in a church for 20 years that is as racist as the KKK (James Cone teaching: Damn any god that is not for the progression of the black man) mocking and attacking any opposition and stirring up the likes of all you that mimick the mockery and attacks for him.
If Orly has such a sorry law degree why is it that you are not idiots yourselves for not realizing that his dual citizenship makes him Constitutionally ineligible to be POTUS…and a big one has been pulled over on the America public. He is the Wizard of Oz….because he sits as our President and all let this Constitutional law go unchallenged …and anyone who does dare challenge this is made to look like an idiot….but you are all the gullible ones yourself….

SO I WILL STOP MY DEFENSE BUT I ASK ALL OF YOU ….WHY WAS THE FIRST EXECUTIVE ORDER HE SIGNED INTO LAW WAS A SEALING OF HIS IMPORTANT DOCUMENTS AND NO ONE WAS ALLOWED TO RELEASE TO THE PUBLIC ANY OF THE PRESIDENT'S RECORDS …EVEN AFTER HE IS NO LONGER PRESIDENT….WHY WOULD THAT BE HIS FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS..???? ….AND WHY WERE ALL THE RECORDS AROUND THE TIME OF HIS BIRTH SEALED…IN KENYA????
http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/2009/pdf/E9-1712.pdf
You all would drink Jim Jones' Kool-Aide….yep!…Sad really!


elpinche
Comment posted February 23, 2010 @ 2:21 pm

Some of these commentors and the frothing nutbags who are mad at Scott Brown make me support Eugenics for mindless wingnuts. Please call your Congressman and support Death Panels for Morans.


Anderson
Comment posted February 23, 2010 @ 2:27 pm

I would like to apply for protection from the UN for protection against American-born terrorists such as Joe Stack, Timothy McVeigh, and Eric Rudolph, good patriotic America-hating Americans supported by good soft-on-terror America-hating politicians like Michele Bachmann and Sarah Palin, and Iowa's Best Congressman Ever, Steven “The King” King. I no longer think this foil hat will protect me from the Evil Minions.


katahdin
Comment posted February 23, 2010 @ 2:29 pm

You're shitting us, right?


Steve_X
Comment posted February 23, 2010 @ 2:31 pm

“Orly's a real American/fight for the rights of every man,
Orly's a real American/fight for what's right/fight for your life!”


zeroshade
Comment posted February 23, 2010 @ 2:31 pm

If you were gonna stop your defense, why did you repost it?


Steve_X
Comment posted February 23, 2010 @ 2:34 pm

MY KOOL-AID NEEDS MORE SUGAR.


Anderson
Comment posted February 23, 2010 @ 2:34 pm

One day I was thumbing through the phone book, searching for a random woman to sexually harass while I masturbate furiously to the thought of her children having diarrhea. And I saw the image of the Blessed Virgin in the previous day's jizzstain. I saw it, so it must be true. The Blessed Virgin of the Jizzstained Phonebook told me that I should definitely trust reports that Barack Obama was born in Kenya, contrary to all physical evidence, and not Hawaii, where all evidence says he was born. I mean, it's really plausible, right? Dude's a Negro! I say, back to Africa, man! Read the Constitution, it's obvious that the Founding Fathers didn't think the Negroes were fit to be Americans. Only fit for slave labor and as objects of rape. How could such a man be President? I asked the Virgin, but she declined to respond and I just got on with my day's phone calls.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted February 23, 2010 @ 2:35 pm

“WHY WAS THE FIRST EXECUTIVE ORDER HE SIGNED INTO LAW WAS A SEALING OF HIS IMPORTANT DOCUMENTS”

Another birfer lie repeated ad nauseam by the deranged illiterati. Idiots with a penchant for Orwellian hypocrisy.

PRESIDENT OBAMA REVOKES BUSH PRESIDENTIAL RECORDS EXECUTIVE ORDER (UPDATED JAN. 26)
On January 21, in one of his first official acts, President Barack Obama revoked the Bush administration’s Executive Order 13233 that severely limited access by the public to presidential records. Click here to see a copy of President Obama’s new Executive Order 13489: http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/Exec…
President Obama firmly committed his administration to a new policy of transparency by symbolically issuing the executive order on his first full day in office. The issuance of the Obama presidential records executive order ends a nearly eight year effort by historians, archivists, political scientists and other stakeholders in federal courts and on Capitol Hill to have the Bush EO revoked on legal grounds or by statute.
The language in the Obama executive order is similar to Executive Order 12667 issued by President Reagan in 1989 which was also in effect during the presidencies of George H.W. Bush and Bill Clinton. The Reagan executive order was revoked when President Bush issued EO 13233 in November 2001.
The Obama executive order restores the presumption that the incumbent president, not former presidents, their heirs or designees should be the one asserting claims of executive privilege. The executive order states that only “living” former Presidents can make claims of executive privilege. This removed one of the most egregious sections of the Bush EO that allowed heirs or designees to make claims of executive privilege for an indefinite period after the death of a former President.
In addition, the provisions in the Bush EO allowing former vice presidents to assert executive privilege are gone. In fact, the Obama EO makes it clear that vice presidential records are to be included under the definition of “presidential records.”
Executive Order 13489 also restores the function of the Archivist of the United States’ as an independent arbiter of initial claims of executive privilege. The executive order assumes the Archivist may release records 30 days after notifying the incumbent and former Presidents unless a claim of executive privilege is made.

http://historycoalition.org/2009/01/21/presiden…


Steve_X
Comment posted February 23, 2010 @ 2:37 pm

I can definitely see some form of asylum in Taitz's future.


deepfriedtwinkie
Comment posted February 23, 2010 @ 2:39 pm

LOLOLOL. I smell some Wonkette on this site!


katahdin
Comment posted February 23, 2010 @ 2:46 pm

Oh goody! a new birther spouting the same old debunked talking points. The “he's a scary dual citizen, so he can't be a natural born citizen” is one of my favorites, because it has the appearance of probability, although no serious attorney would give it the time of day.
But what the heck. Y'see little birther, no other countries' citizenship laws control our citizenship laws. So just because an big strapping natural born citizen like our handsome president, Barack Obama, can conceivably claim citizenship from another country, it doesn't in any way affect the fact that he is still one good looking natural born citizen, eligible to hold the presidency of the United States of America–to which he was legally and popularly elected.
American citizenship is extremely hard to lose. Only if President Obama had deliberately and purposely renounced his citizenship as an adult could he have lost it. And we know he never did that.
And President Obama's first executive order opened presidential records.


Jim
Comment posted February 23, 2010 @ 2:52 pm

Well, you got part of it right…although your are a little foggy on your history. Ted Kennedy was never President. Teddy Roosevelt and Abraham Lincoln were not born in hospitals. And you misspell George Washington who is the only founding father on your list. Since you can't get any of those facts straight, back to the ward and straight jacket…plus up your meds. BWAHAHAHAHA!!!


Anderson
Comment posted February 23, 2010 @ 2:54 pm

Wait, wait, wait. That's evidence or something, maybe reason? I don't get it. Totally implausible. This crowd needs conviction. Give us something to believe in! America today doesn't need knowledge, it needs values. It needs to know that ancient Hebrew cowboys rode ancient American dinosaurs across the great Frontier, like in John Wayne's excellent and historically accurate film The Green Berets. Most importantly, we need fear and we need to be afraid of all practical solutions that could improve our situation, because that would make Obama look Good and the Good side (the Reagan side of history!) would look Bad, and that is upside-down as everyone has come to believe. Seriously!


danicamcpatrick
Comment posted February 23, 2010 @ 2:57 pm

Only someone that was a habitual Mary Jane cig smoker would know to use the druggie phrase, “Mary Jane cig.”


Gopherit
Comment posted February 23, 2010 @ 3:06 pm

Shaddup Orly. Don't you have an assistant to blow?


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted February 23, 2010 @ 3:09 pm

WHY DO YOU KEEP COMING BACK HERE TO POST IN ALL CAPS. HAS YOUR MORNING DOSE OF THORAZINE WORN OFF?


ellid
Comment posted February 23, 2010 @ 3:09 pm

My Congressman IS Scott Brown. What should I do?


ellid
Comment posted February 23, 2010 @ 3:11 pm

Don't do pot and never have. Don't take pills. Drink the occasional glass of good Chianti with dinner. Think you're out of your mind.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted February 23, 2010 @ 3:12 pm

Are you for real?


ellid
Comment posted February 23, 2010 @ 3:12 pm

Okay, I call snark on this one. Even the dumbest birther (Hi, Gerry!) wouldn't call Ted Kennedy a “founding Father.”


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted February 23, 2010 @ 3:13 pm

Here you are trying to convince us that you're sane but I have doubts as to if you think your sane.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted February 23, 2010 @ 3:16 pm

Well, I personally wouldn't mind having some of what ever it is Lafayme is smoking….


Steve_X
Comment posted February 23, 2010 @ 3:18 pm

Oh, I see what you did there.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted February 23, 2010 @ 3:19 pm

Too funny…


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted February 23, 2010 @ 3:20 pm

I'm not so sure Gerry is the dumbest birther, now.


youmustbejoking
Comment posted February 23, 2010 @ 3:32 pm

You should probably go back to school for a little remedial education. If you read and comprehended the order that the new president signed, you would know that he made PRESIDENTIAL records more available. This refers strictly to records during the presidency. Not an individuals records before they became president or created after they are president but while. When a president takes office for the first time he is not an incumbent. However if he wins re-election he is the incumbent and some records may need to be kept sealed until after the president leaves office due to security reasons. Some records may never be released due to national security reasons- but that has always been so. What Obama did is to overturn Bush, who had made it easier to keep presidential records sealed. So the executive order had nothing to do with his birth or college or any other personal records but you have to be able to comprehend that when you read it. If you read it.

The president never acted on any dual citizenship when he reached majority age so it went away. He never held dual citizenship, even if he may have been eligible for it.

I read all the crap out there and found it to be utter BS. It has been disproved and debunked. We have had more than one president who only had one citizen parent. I guess we survived that didn't we? If the SCOTUS thought President Obama was ineligible, Chief Justice Roberts would have had to act, as is his duty in upholding the Constitution. Instead, he swore the president in. Guess he isn't worried.
Orly has demonstrated she has a limited knowledge of law. I could write better law documents than she has filed with the court and I am not an attorney nor do I play one one TV.
If there are no records to seal in Kenya, how can they be sealed? Besides, he isn't president of Kenya.
Your birth records are sealed too. What are you hiding? Every one's records are sealed except tp those who have a legitimate reason to access them. Like my daughter can get mine. I can get my grandchild's.
There are some people on here who have already partook of Oily Taters kool aid. It doesn't kill you, just makes you dumber.


Irish_Wake
Comment posted February 23, 2010 @ 4:30 pm

Honey, I understand you want President Obama to be ineligible for office.
I know you really believe in this.
Really, really, really want this to be true.

Your evidence of an Obama cover-up actually shows a sitting President rescinding a past President's orders making secrecy acceptable and easy. This means the new president made it more difficult to keep stuff out of the public eye.

“Everything” on fact check sites is not a forgery. Making this statement illustrates that you are unable to make a dispassionate evaluation of evidence.

The dual citizenship charge is due to a purposeful misreading of the British Citizen Act of 1948. Most of the people here have discussed this Act at length. The main idea is that if not taken advantage of by the age of 21, the point is moot. To simplify, there is no legal standing to this argument. I can discuss this in great detail if you so desire.

Bill Ayers has no standing in determining Presidential eligibility.
Church attendance has no standing in determining Presidential eligibility.
Ms. Taitz has no standing in determining Presidential eligibility.
Children's literature has no standing in determining Presidential eligibility.
Willful misreading of executive orders has no standing in determining Presidential eligibility.
Really, really, really, really wanting a thing has no standing in determining Presidential eligibility.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted February 23, 2010 @ 4:43 pm

It was also the duty of the previous administration and its Department of Justice to uphold the Constitution since the election occurred during the previous Presidential administration. Rarely will an idiot birfer admit to that salient fact of history.


evreport
Comment posted February 23, 2010 @ 4:50 pm

LOL. Business certainly picked up here since yesterday.


ellid
Comment posted February 23, 2010 @ 4:56 pm

He's certainly Orly Taitz's biggest fan.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted February 23, 2010 @ 5:26 pm

BECAUSE SHE'S MAD AS HELL AND SHE'S NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE1


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted February 23, 2010 @ 10:54 pm

What’s worse is people actually hire Levy to defend them – an obvious observation considering Orly has. When thought of in this scope, I’d have to make an assumption that anyone that hires Levy is an idiot.


tfmkayaker
Comment posted February 23, 2010 @ 6:10 pm

There is a saying out there… there is no cure for stupid


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted February 23, 2010 @ 6:39 pm

A shame too.


Antibirther
Comment posted February 23, 2010 @ 6:44 pm

move


Orly Taitz appeals to the UN for protection - US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum
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[...] Birfers say: "UN good? UN bad? UN good? UN bad? UN good? UN bad?" *head asplodes* Orly Taitz Appeals to United Nations for Protection, Investigation The Washington Independent __________________ Breaking your teeth on the hard life coming (Show your scars) Cutting your [...]


fred1234567453
Comment posted February 23, 2010 @ 7:56 pm

BAHAHahahahahahaahah…….snort!!!


fred1234567453
Comment posted February 23, 2010 @ 7:59 pm

Did it include fava beans and someones liver…fufufufuufufufuuff!


Butcer
Comment posted February 23, 2010 @ 7:59 pm

CAPS CAPS CAPS!!! WE BIRTHERS CAN´T TURN CAPS LOCK OFF ;


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Attorney Taitz appeals for UN protection | Obama Conspiracy Theories
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[...] to an article yesterday in the Washington Independent, Birther attorney Orly Taitz has appealed to the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights [...]


ellid
Comment posted February 23, 2010 @ 9:05 pm

Nope. :)


Orly Taitz Thinks UN Can/Will Protect Her | Pure Politics
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[...] Queen Birther and international lawyer-dentist Orly Taitz has asked the United Nations Human Rights Council to protect her. We know that she is in hiding from other mean lawyers because she issued a press release, about how she is hiding. It comes under the name of “Dr. Jonathan Levy,” supposedly her lawyer, even though she is a lawyer. Neither of these people actually exist. [Washington Independent] [...]


repiglickin
Comment posted February 23, 2010 @ 10:19 pm

wow is this THE Dave Wiegal of the John Birfer Society? WTF, Jonah Goldberg, Richard Cohen, Dave Weigel, Andrew Breitbart, Orly Taitz… what is it with wingtard Jews this week? Did they change Purim to Crazim?

http://wonkette.com/413875/blog-reporter-dave-w…


repiglickin
Comment posted February 23, 2010 @ 10:58 pm

yeah but who's gonna protect me from Oily Taintz and the israeli Mossad/ Russian KGB mafia…THOSE folks scare me and they aren't afraid to send the assassination squads anywhere, even 'Merka!!! also


repiglickin
Comment posted February 23, 2010 @ 11:05 pm

wow Lfayfay, maybe yer not smokin' the maryjanejuana but you are DEFINITLEY drinkin' the KOOL-AID…sweet jeebus if I were as paranoid/ delusional as you I'd RUN to my doctor BEGGING for some MEDS…and I'd lay off the CAPS LOCK KEY TOO!!! ALSO ;-)


repiglickin
Comment posted February 23, 2010 @ 11:11 pm

oh gawd (BTW, that's the jeebus gawd, not the joo gawd!) thanks for that…I just spewed my nice RED wine all over the keyboard and monitor! hey, wait…I think I see a image of the HOLY MOTHER OF JEEBUS in the wine stains? It's a miracle! (but definitley NOT a jizzstain! ;)


repiglickin
Comment posted February 23, 2010 @ 11:16 pm

how d'ya think I got here? this NOT one of my regular haunts (but it sure is fun, at least this thread!)


Anonymous
Comment posted February 24, 2010 @ 4:22 am

gawd dammit…that’s the SECOND time tonight I spewed wine all over my monitor! I’m gonna have to open a new bottle now, see what you did!


Anonymous
Comment posted February 24, 2010 @ 4:22 am

gawd dammit…that’s the SECOND time tonight I spewed wine all over my monitor! I’m gonna have to open a new bottle now, see what you did!


JohnC
Comment posted February 24, 2010 @ 1:58 am

Using Caps Lock doesn't enhance your argument, sorry.


youmustbejoking
Comment posted February 24, 2010 @ 2:47 am

I wonder how long it takes the UN to act? I never saw them as a Quick acting Johnny-on-the-spot entity. Think they will put Oily in “protective custody”? Maybe out of the country? Could we hope?


Anthony
Comment posted February 24, 2010 @ 10:52 am

I don’t think it will be a country, but an institution.


Anthony
Comment posted February 24, 2010 @ 10:52 am

I don’t think it will be a country, but an institution.


Anthony
Comment posted February 24, 2010 @ 10:57 am

I thought her hair was going to implode. I should look for the animated clip. Queen Birfer.


Anthony
Comment posted February 24, 2010 @ 10:57 am

I thought her hair was going to implode. I should look for the animated clip. Queen Birfer.


Anthony
Comment posted February 24, 2010 @ 6:03 am

See what reasonable people believe is that government agencies will do what ever it takes to protect the integrity of the documents they produce. We look at the general case and see if it makes sense. It is just as easy for you to claim that your birth certificate is a forgery. Which is something that you don't understand. See the problem is that you have to abandon the first 3 points in order to cling to your silly idea.

You are not sane. Please seek professional help.


Anthony
Comment posted February 24, 2010 @ 6:12 am

“Barak Obama is not born” — So the president magically appeared to save America from people who use bad grammar. Also who is Jorge Washington. What is an “American born grave.” Is this satire and I am missing something?


Anthony
Comment posted February 24, 2010 @ 6:18 am

Did you vote for Alan Keyes thinking that by think that if he ran it 2 states that he would become president? It must be true.

We have dealt with all of the misinformation and distortion of facts that you typed. However, when you type in capital letters it doesn't make things automatically change the facts from false to true. The facts are the facts and nothing can change that. For example; America does recognize dual citizenship.


Anthony
Comment posted February 24, 2010 @ 6:24 am

That is the first time I have seem a comment that has been wrong on every point, with out using quote-mining or distortions of law.


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[...] the woman who has made it her life’s passion to prove that Barack Obama is not an American, has asked the United Nations for protection against, what she calls, “persecution” in the United States for her efforts. That this [...]


not a nigger
Comment posted February 24, 2010 @ 9:16 am

He is an illegitimate president because he is a nigger.


Coming Out of the Woodwork.. « Temet Nosce..
Pingback posted February 24, 2010 @ 9:41 am

[...] The Washington Independent reports on Orly Taitz asking the United Nations for protection. Taitz is an UberBirther. Got to love lawyers that will milk a crazy person’s money by representing their claims! They also have a little more on Learning to Manage the Fringe. Her attorney, Jonathan Levy, writes that Taitz is under “increasing legal attack in the United States from groups and individuals opposed to her legal actions challenging the Constitutional qualifications of Barrack Hussein Obama to hold the office of President of the United States.” http://washingtonindependent.com/77361/orly-taitz-appeals-to-united-nations-for-protection-investiga... [...]


katahdin
Comment posted February 24, 2010 @ 9:42 am

You are an illegimate human being because you are a racist. We all come from the same place, deep in the heart of Africa, and your insecurity and antique prejudices are dying off, slowly but surely.


Antibirther
Comment posted February 24, 2010 @ 9:49 am

I call troll.


atpcliff
Comment posted February 24, 2010 @ 9:51 am

Hi!

To be President of the United States, you must be a Natural Born Citizen.

There are two ways to qualify to be a US Natural Born Citizen:
1-One (or both) of your parents must be a US Citizen at the time of your birth.
2-You must be born in the US.

Obama's mother was a US Citizen at the time of his birth.

Case closed.

cliff
NBO


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ellid
Comment posted February 24, 2010 @ 11:26 am

No, not a troll. I'd say “sowbug” is closer to the truth: small, ugly, brainless, and lives under decaying logs.


Antibirther
Comment posted February 24, 2010 @ 11:31 am

What I find interesting is that Birthers insist that both parents must be U.S. citizens. This claim is based primarily on the misinterpretation of the collective noun “parents” to mean the same thing as a plural noun.

That this is a total nonsense can be seen by the fact that until the law changed in 1923, the citizenship of a woman was based totally on the citizenship of the husband.

In other words, if a woman born in the U.S. and a U.S. citizen married a non-U.S. citizen (i.e. an immigrant) then she automatically LOST her U.S. citizenship until said husband became a U.S. citizen. This is the reason that both Spiro Agnew’s parents were listed as “Aliens” (Greek citizens) in the U.S. census of 1920 (after Spiro’s birth, btw), even though Spiro’s mother was born in Virginia.

Regardless, there is absolutely nothing in the law to support the “two citizen parents” claim of the birthers.


Antibirther
Comment posted February 24, 2010 @ 11:34 am

I think you are talking about a woodlouse


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted February 24, 2010 @ 1:01 pm

I think my origins only go back as far as Peking Man (Sinanthropus pekinensis) because it's the best explanation of my constant hunger for crispy duck and fried rice.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted February 24, 2010 @ 1:56 pm

Part of their misunderstanding of the 'two parent theory' comes from the resolution that McCain is a natural born citizen because both of his parents were citizens. They fail to understand that this was because he was not born in a US territory.


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Anton
Comment posted February 24, 2010 @ 2:37 pm

When will all this end?


youyesyou
Comment posted February 24, 2010 @ 2:44 pm

Crazy is easy to spot on the interwebs. Psychotics can only suppress their urge to type in all caps for so long.


monkey99
Comment posted February 24, 2010 @ 4:15 pm

The racist clown above is now an “afterbirf-er”.

The issue is dead. Obama is, and will remain President (I think they have a real problem seeing the words President and Obama combined) for his term(s). Nothing those impotent whiners, oh, excuse me…..Afterbirfs say or do has, or will have any impact (unless, of course, they do as I said previously, and skydive without parachutes).


monkey99
Comment posted February 24, 2010 @ 4:20 pm

Which is coincidental, because that's what I'm having tonight.

I wish you were here.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted February 24, 2010 @ 5:06 pm

In probably about 100 years after this nation has had a couple more black presidents and maybe a couple of hispanic presidents as well. I probably won't be around for the first Muslim president but I'm sure there will eventually be one.


conservativeunited
Comment posted February 24, 2010 @ 6:11 pm

You already have the first MUSLIM PRESIDENT, and an ILLEGAL IN THE WHITE HOUSE as well. My objection to him has nothing to do with his color of skin, but that I do not believe in one single idea of his vision for America.


conservativeunited
Comment posted February 24, 2010 @ 6:18 pm

I seems that the left thinks that anyone that diagrees with the Vision for America that THE ILLEGAL IN THE WHITE HOUSE has, is automatically a racist. NOTE : ALL YOU LEFT WING, SOCIALIST, MARXIST COMMUNIST LOVERS OF THE ILLEGAL IN THE WHITE HOUSE, GET THIS STRAIGHT, I WOULD NOT CARE WHAT RACE HE IS. I DO NOT BELEIVE IN WHAT HIS VISION FOR THIS NATION IS!!!!!!!


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted February 24, 2010 @ 6:22 pm

I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT YOU'RE NOT A RACIST! Wow. Typing in all caps really does make it more believable.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted February 24, 2010 @ 6:25 pm

I'd say your objection to him is that you think he is a muslim in addition to that he is illegal. I also believe that you're a racist.


conservativeunited
Comment posted February 24, 2010 @ 6:31 pm

Please name all the presidents that “We have had more than one president who only had one citizen parent”????????


conservativeunited
Comment posted February 24, 2010 @ 6:34 pm

He is half white, 45% Arab, and 5% black


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted February 24, 2010 @ 6:38 pm

What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted February 24, 2010 @ 6:41 pm

I hear ya comrad :-) Are you coming to the next communist meeting? We're discussing what would be the best way to dismantel this country and putting all dissendents into FEMA camps.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted February 24, 2010 @ 6:51 pm

Chester A. Arthur's father was supposedly born in Canada but I do believe there were others. Anyone want to add to this list other than the obvious like George Washington and the other founding fathers?


Jim
Comment posted February 24, 2010 @ 6:53 pm

Why, are you incapable of looking up things for yourself? Or, is it because you have no understanding of American history?


Jim
Comment posted February 24, 2010 @ 6:56 pm

I believe his father was Irish. The question was whether CAA was born in Canada or not, not if it was because his father was not an american citizen when he was born.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted February 24, 2010 @ 6:56 pm

I seriously doubt the last poster has a clue what any of those terms of political science really mean.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted February 24, 2010 @ 7:00 pm

You're not very convincing. You are an embarrassment and pathetic, however.


MTPH
Comment posted February 24, 2010 @ 7:08 pm

Bon appétit!


PhasmaFelis
Comment posted February 24, 2010 @ 7:34 pm

I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT HE IS NOT A RACIST EITHER.

Man. That is refreshing!


ellid
Comment posted February 24, 2010 @ 8:19 pm

Please define “diagrees.” It sounds like what happens when one consumes an entire package of Ex-Lax.

Thank you.


ellid
Comment posted February 24, 2010 @ 8:27 pm

Why? As long as a candidate is born on US soil s/he is natural born and thus eligible.


Anonymous
Comment posted February 25, 2010 @ 1:32 am

Even if the above were true (which it is not), it would not be relevant.

Go back your Klavern and leave the grown-ups alone, okay?


youmustbejoking
Comment posted February 24, 2010 @ 8:35 pm

Andrew Jackson was the son of two immigrant parents. Thomas Jefferson, James Buchanan, Chester Arthur, Woodrow Wilson and Herbert Hoover had one immigrant parent each. With President Obama, that is seven.


ellid
Comment posted February 24, 2010 @ 8:35 pm

1. The President is a Christian. He formerly belonged to the United Church of Christ until yahoos like you drove him to resign his membership in his congregation because you misunderstood the preaching style of the former pastor.

2. The President was born in Hawaii, which makes him natural born. He was legally elected by popular and electoral vote, confirmed by the Congress, and duly sworn in last year.

3. You are lying about not being a racist. It's obvious from every word you write.

4. “Conservatives” like you are why I broke with generations of tradition and became the first member of my family to register as a Democrat.


Anonymous
Comment posted February 25, 2010 @ 1:47 am

Kenneth Lamb’s assertion that President Obama is actually 43.75% Arab is a fabrication from beginning to end. That you spread this blatant and utterly ridiculous lie says a great deal about you, none of it good.


Jim
Comment posted February 24, 2010 @ 8:51 pm

Is it just me, or do we have an even lower form of neanderthal representing the blower community on this thread? Seems like they can't even put together a coherent sentence amongst the whole lot of them.


ellid
Comment posted February 24, 2010 @ 8:55 pm

We've also had a President who changed his name (Leslie King, Jr., better known by his adoptive name of Gerald Ford), two who went by nicknames (Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton), one who was very likely gay (James Buchanan), a couple of widowers (Grover Cleveland and Martin van Buren), three with physical disabilities (Teddy Roosevelt (asthma), Woodrow Wilson (paralyzed after a stroke), and Franklin Roosevelt (polio victim), one with a nudist streak (John Quincy Adams), and two married to women with mental illness (Franklin Pierce and Abraham Lincoln).

All of which is very interesting trivia but doesn't have a damn thing to do with eligibility….:)


youmustbejoking
Comment posted February 24, 2010 @ 9:08 pm

OK, so you don't want everyone in this country to be able to afford health care. I guess you would rather people continue to suffer and die.

You don't want companies and corporations, who have already proven they can't be trusted to do anything right and are still demonstrating they are for the greed and to hell with the rest of us, to be reined in with any regulations that can keep the financial fall from happening again.

You don't want to see the education system improve to where our children can start competing on a level playing field with other countries like China and Japan who put a much bigger stock in education than we do.

You don't want more people to attend college so we can be the ones with the best and the brightest working for progress in our country.

You don't want to have pay-go in Congress.

You don't want a more open and bipartisan Congress working for us, the people. I mean, after all, they get so much done by refusing to work together for the good of America.

You don't want to try to find solutions to disagreements between the United States and other countries we have issues with. I guess you would just rather send our young men and women, boy and girls, out to fight and die or at least come home maimed and traumatized.

I guess you want torture to continue too, even though it makes us less as a nation when we go against the very ideals we are supposed to stand for.

President Obama has shown that he is not a far left leader, he is indeed more centrist than many of us would like him to be. I am glad we have something different than we did the preceding 8 years. I appreciate the fact he is a smart man, a thoughtful man. I appreciate the fact that he is trying to get the right to come to the table and work to find solutions that everyone can live with. I wish the right would grow up enough to realize they are only hurting America by their childish actions. I guess the one advisor President has desperate need of is a Kindergarten teacher that can tell him how to deal with 5 year old kids instead of grown men and women.

Your obvious hatred is visible and because if you knew what you were talking about, you would know President Obama is none of those things you name. You are stuck on lies and deceptions that some fool shouted at a teabagger rally and can't be bothered to look at the truth. Because you have such strong resistance to looking at reality, the rest of us are forced to think that there is more to your hatred than just your disagreement with policy. The people that scream the loudest it isn't because of his color are usually the ones that it is.


Anonymous
Comment posted February 25, 2010 @ 2:25 am

Ya almost got me.


youmustbejoking
Comment posted February 24, 2010 @ 9:29 pm

He is not but you evidently are. And I don't mean a black person.


liberalsbiggestnightmare
Comment posted February 24, 2010 @ 9:30 pm

Liberals prove my point everytime they open their mouths. They have nothing to say, except emotional rhetoric, and hate, by calling names, and attacking the all those that they do not agree with, just like all the liberal in congress and elsewhere, and including Obama and his thugs. They never engage in real discusions, because they have nothing in their heads, except hot air, and manure. Now as you do let the crap flow here as I know you will. None of you have anything of real value to offer, so start proving my point. I am looking forward to your intelligent comments – Not.


Jim
Comment posted February 24, 2010 @ 9:44 pm

It's very interesting that your whole post is nothing but what you complain about liberals doing. You sure you weren't just talking about yourself?


liberalsbiggestnightmare
Comment posted February 24, 2010 @ 9:56 pm

You must like socialism, communism, marxism, socialized medicine, loss of constitutional rights. Please go ahead and join comrad Obama as you all march off the cliff with him, and have him take all his Chicago style thugs (You call them Czars) with him. And please take all you liberal socialist marxist friends in congress, Such as Queen Pelosi, Horsethief Harry and all the rest.


liberalsbiggestnightmare
Comment posted February 24, 2010 @ 10:00 pm

Oh I forgot you people call yourselves Progressives. What does that term really mean? Maybe Progressive Lunacy?????


youmustbejoking
Comment posted February 24, 2010 @ 10:07 pm

Where is your real discussion? Intelligent comments? I see nothing but attacks and nothing of substance about any subject- just attacks on liberals. If you read farther down you will see plenty of facts displayed and real discussion where someone is posting actual facts. The biggest problem is when people keep posting already debunked BS as fact. The one thing a bunch of you need to figure out is what Oily Taters puts in her legal briefs is not truth or fact but merely accusations that have no basis in fact. And then people come on here posting her garbage like it was true when it isn't. But when you won't listen to truth there can be no discussion. I would be willing to bet most of the posters on here debunking the garbage are people who have done their own reading and research and know without a doubt that Oily is wrong and she refuses to listen to any court that has told her so. Instead, she calls every judge she has gone before a traitor, accuses them of treason and keeps trying to get others to commit seditious acts- i.e. taking up arms against the lawful government. Her followers can't get too far on here because they are following a crazy, sedition preaching woman. You want real discussion, bring real stuff. Not garbage spewed from the mouth of that crazy woman.


Steve_X
Comment posted February 24, 2010 @ 10:09 pm

Another idiot birther. Who knew? Today must be a day that ends with “y.”


Jim
Comment posted February 24, 2010 @ 10:10 pm

So, it seems that all you left with is, if I may quote you, “They never engage in real discusions, because they have nothing in their heads, except hot air, and manure.” You've made no valid points and Obama will still be our President. That's all you're left with, name-calling. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!


Jim
Comment posted February 24, 2010 @ 10:13 pm

Actually, we got rid of most of that when Bush left office. But, don't let the truth get in the way of a good rant.


Steve_X
Comment posted February 24, 2010 @ 10:15 pm

So, you complain about liberals and their emotional rhetoric and hate and calling names. In the next breath you complain about Obama and his “thugs” before you say that we have nothing to offer but “hot air and manure.” Thank you for showing us all what a massive hypocrite you are

I have a number of intelligent comments, but I get the feeling that they would be wasted on you.


youmustbejoking
Comment posted February 24, 2010 @ 10:17 pm

Actually, I call myself a citizen of the United States of America. An involved, voting, knowledgeable citizen that happens to care about other people too. I hate seeing people in this country going without, whether it be food, shelter, health care or their fellow mans compassion.


Steve_X
Comment posted February 24, 2010 @ 10:26 pm

Apparently the collective IQ of the birther movement is droppimng at a rate faster than anyone expected.


Steve_X
Comment posted February 24, 2010 @ 10:28 pm

“Liberals prove my point everytime they open their mouths. They have nothing to say, except emotional rhetoric, and hate, by calling names, and attacking the all those that they do not agree with”

More name calling and emotional rhetoric. Why am I not surprised?


Jim
Comment posted February 24, 2010 @ 10:30 pm

I think someone below compared blowers to dung beetles…I think that's an insult to the dung beetles.


Steve_X
Comment posted February 24, 2010 @ 10:30 pm

OH MY GOD YOU'RE RIGHT. I MAY HAVE TO DO THIS MORE OFTEN.


youmustbejoking
Comment posted February 24, 2010 @ 10:36 pm

You do realize there are differences between socialism, communism and Marxism don't you?

And Bush had 47 Czars, (he called them that) while Obama has only 34.

I wish I could share with you the list of elected and/or official republicans that have been arrested for sex crimes, most of them against young girls and boys or small children, but some against adults. The list is way too long to post here or I would do it. I copied it and don't know if I have the link anymore.

If the republicans have their way, business will continue as usual, leaving us open to the same financial failures that already sent this nation down the tubes. The definition of stupid is doing the same thing you did before and expecting different results. They are the party of stupid, because they don't want things to change to protect America and her citizens.


Steve_X
Comment posted February 24, 2010 @ 10:39 pm

There you go again with all those pesky, inconvenient “facts.”


ellid
Comment posted February 24, 2010 @ 10:45 pm

Why should I bother with an intelligent comment when all you've done is regurgitate Rush Limbaugh's boorish spew? It would be totally wasted on someone who clearly has not finished evolving from chipmunk to squirrel, let alone progressed beyond his failed vote for Millard Fillmore and the Know-Nothings.


ellid
Comment posted February 24, 2010 @ 10:46 pm

It means I have better things to do than troll a web site.


ellid
Comment posted February 24, 2010 @ 10:47 pm

I aim to please.


Anonymous
Comment posted February 25, 2010 @ 3:52 am

I THINK IT’S BECAUSE THEY’RE TYPING ON A TRASH-80.


truepatriotfreethinker
Comment posted February 25, 2010 @ 1:43 am

Barack Hussein Obama is no more President of The United States of America than I am, even though “I” am completely eligible to be and am able and willing to prove it. So why won't he? Who would spend as much as $2million to keep from proving it. What, does he think or do you think that “WE” don't have the right to know? There are legitimate questions about his eligibility, or lack thereof, which should and will be answered inevitably, and I don't think you people will like the outcome. If you were true, patriotic Americans which you claim to be, the rule of law and the Constitution would be set above your obvious blind partisanship. You don't want to know the truth because you cant handle the truth. If there is no validity to Orley Taitz, Dr. Alan Keyes and my assertion that there is something wrong with Barack Hussein Obama's qualifications and thereby his eligibility, then why not simply produce, or in this simple case, release the evidence(s) to shut us up.

If you really cared about everyone as you claim, and you want to provide healthcare for everyone, then sacrifice what you own or what income you make and you provide for someone who you know is not allowed to see a doctor and make payments over time. No-one can be denied being seen by a doctor or denied medical treatment in a hospital.

If companies and corporations don't have an incentive to make money for their stockholders, then those stockholders will not buy the shares which keep them afloat. Do I agree with CEO's making millions or billions running those businesses? Not really, but they hire busines-minded people who know business and pay them well to run those corporations 'to make money.' Not to lose money or break even as a charity or nonprofit. What would be the incentive? Without incentive to make money they would go out of business. Then where would we be without insurance companies? Yes, they do screw people over left and right. That has to stop. But socializing the healthcare system “IS NOT” the answer. There are plenty of ways to fix or restructure the entire system and make healthcare affordable for “everyone” but it has to be done correctly.

Also, some day, if you do actually have any real intelligence, you will look back at this point in time and ask yourself, “How could I have been so wrong about all these things?” You people think you're so smart but you don't have any real common sense. You are looking at a roadmap and only seeing where you're at, where you think you're going not where you'll end up.

The group of men who founded this country over 200 years ago weren't just an anomoly but by all definitions, excluding a divine intervention if you wish, they had to be an anomoly. How could an entire group of such noble and brilliant men occupy the exact same period in time (history) while also occupying the same area of the world, and were brought together in a common goal to create the greatest, freest country ever to inhabit this world?

As far as Barack Hussein Obama and his political beliefs, all you have to do is read, look and listen. He told everyone what his beliefs were well before that supposed election in 2008. All you have to do is read a few exerpts from either of his books. The books, his books are his “Mein Kampf” (My Thoughts) in a sense. He names his political idols….Mao, Alinsky. Whose ideas did they base their beliefs from? Karl Marx. Speaking of Mein Kampf, whose ideas do you think inspired Adolf Hitler and his basis for National Socialism (NAZI'ism)? Karl Marx.

If you people want to espouse socialism in any form, and you are whether or not you realize it yet, whether it's national Socialism (NAZI”ISM) or its lowest form Communism, then all you have to do is go to one of the few places in the world where it still exists in its truest form. Get yourself an innertube and float 90 miles due south from the southernmost tip of Florida and you'll pass by many innertubes floating in the opposite direction with people who know just how well socialism works.

Socialism will only work if it's instituted to build up a society from nothingness. Then, if the society is ready to flourish and socialism is not derailed, the society will stagnate and eventually digress and disolve. Freedom creates incentive, and incentive creates motivation, motivation creates progress and progression which creates innovation. All of these things come from Freedom and Free Will which also creates Good Will.
Socialism is the antithesis of Freedom and Good Will. Socialism 'Takes' instead of relying on Good Will, thus taking away incentive and drive to succeed and to innovate….and on and on and on.
Do you see the digression starting from socialism?
The term 'Progressive' in todays socialist, democrat, liberal sense or use of the word is the biggest lie you've fallen for. There is no progression in a socialist world which someone has put it in your little minds that at the end of the road there is a Socialist Utopia. The definition of a Utopia is where everyone has everything they want, need or wish for. It is a perfect place with no misery, where everyone is equal. There is and never will be a Utopia, 'especially' under socialism. There will always be people with more than others. Under socialism there are the few who take what all the rest have while ALL the rest, the majority, are left wanting or needing.

Freedom is the only answer! It creates happiness, and again good will. The good will for people to help freely of their own choosing. Our 'Founding Fathers' laid the groundwork for us, all we have to do is have the good sense and ability to think for ourselves in order to keep this country free, for ouselves and future generations.


Anonymous
Comment posted February 25, 2010 @ 7:24 am

I found that animation.

go to msnbc.com politics, enter “orly taitz animation” on the search engine and click to the first entry. Couldn’t find a direct link, so have to do it the hard way.

Hope your sides don’t ache too badly from laughing too hard!


youmustbejoking
Comment posted February 25, 2010 @ 4:11 am

Well gee, I don't remember seeing truepatriotfreethinker on the presidential ballot but I specifically recall Barack Obama's name being there. And I recall that millions and millions of people voted for him and put him in office as the President of the United States. I recall even watching the inauguration on January 20, 2009. So I guess that puts me ahead of you already. I KNOW who our president is and it ain't you.

Secondly, the president has shown his birth certificate that says when and where he was born. That works for me. He is a natural born citizen of these United States and is eligible to hold that office. You don't have to like him but you can't do anything about the fact that he is the president.

Oily Taters is a crazy witch that came out of the woodwork with the most irritating voice and the most worthless law degree ever and doesn't know the law any better than my 4 year old grandchild. She is a second rate dentist that became a lawyer to defend herself against all the lawsuits her patients filed against her. Guess what? She still lost. I don't have a very high opinion of Alan Keyes either. He has not shown me anything to impress me and I wouldn't want him anywhere near the oval office. The avenue outside is too close. He is about on par with Failin' Palin.

If you think people can't be denied health care, you got another think coming. Even if you do manage to get to a hospital ER and get to see a doctor after hours and hours of waiting, you have no way of getting any medicines prescribed if you have no money. The hospital won't give it to you so you are screwed. Then the hospital will hound you to pay a bill that is much higher than people with insurance will pay. You go in for stitches to sew up your hand and end up owing a couple thousand. When you make $7.25 an hour and have to pay rent, food, gas or other transportation you don't have anything left for an inflated hospital bill. But neither can you afford insurance because the CEO is making a couple, three mil a year, plus benefits, while they are denying care to a child with cancer. Talk about death panels!

As far as common sense, I have an abundant supply. I fail to find the sense in your statements, especially the ones about the “founding fathers”. They were men, regular, ordinary men with regular ordinary problems and folly's. They were men who had cause, to fight, to establish our own government, and to think about what would come out of it. They had experience in living in a monarchy, they wanted to live differently. For that I applaud them. But they were men, with men's weaknesses and faults, as well as the good things that came from them. It doesn't mean I don't appreciate their intelligence and wisdom, it only means I do not place them on a pedestal or elevate them to sainthood or that they had anymore than other men would have had.

There have to be laws in place to govern some behaviors. Left to themselves, I would imagine many businesses would still have slaves. Actually they do. In many of the places that the American companies send their work to, the workers, frequently children, are slaves. But unless they are called on it here in this country, most of them will do nothing about except pocket the extra money they make off the blood and sweat of children. There are still sweat shops here in the United States, until they get busted. And you don't think business needs to be reined in, held accountable?

Creating a system where people can get health care coverage in a pool or subsidized for those who really need it is the right thing to do. If this is such a great nation, we shouldn't have people dying for lack of health care, but we do. If that doesn't make you feel bad for your fellow humans, than you are to be pitied, for you are less than human.And for your information, I have given to others all my life. And I too have had to go without health care when it wasn't affordable. I don't wish that on anyone.

I have a hard time enjoying freedom when I know so many are suffering. I am not so callous as to not see the suffering that goes on daily in this land.

I would suggest that you read the books our president wrote in there entirety, rather than just a few excerpts someone pulled out and are probably out of context or don't have all the meaning in them. You might learn something. And I am a thinking person, and I am also a person who cares about this country and the people in it. Even nincompoops like a lot of the people who post on here.


Anton
Comment posted February 25, 2010 @ 10:36 am

Interesting math. I really don’t know how you can up with the numbers, but they are irrelevant. I wish people would stop using arbitrary terms to describe people.


election2010
Comment posted February 25, 2010 @ 7:49 am

all this problems could be solved and the discussion would end, if obama would produce his real birth certificate and disclose also some other documents. why is a person spending more than a million usd to hide documents, if the documents are clean? something MUST be wrong (maybe it's “only” a fraud in the form that obama gave wrong declarations to get financial aid – his buddies betrayed the usa by not paying taxes, maybe obama betrayed the usa in another way, maybe it's something else) and fact is, that the people have the right to know the details! maybe obama is eligible under the constitution to be president but there is something else… nobody knows and as long obama spends hundreds of thousands from his own AND TAXPAYER money to hide the truth Dr. Taitz has all rights (in the name of all Americans) to demand information!

Anyway, there are too many politicians in Washington who act against this country and against their constituents, trying to change this country in a copy of fu**ing Europe (or better> Eurabia) with all this Health Care crap, Crap and Fake (formerly known as Cap and Trade) and all this other BS. We the people need to vote all of them out at the election 2010. The people need to be informed about their employees in Washington to vote for the right “U.S. Representative or U.S. Senator.


ellid
Comment posted February 25, 2010 @ 7:54 am

*pats troll on the head*

Amscray.


ellid
Comment posted February 25, 2010 @ 7:56 am

Someone needs to have his/her meds upped.


Steve_X
Comment posted February 25, 2010 @ 8:37 am

Orly, quit changing your screen name and pay Judge Land's sanctions already. Geez.


Anton
Comment posted February 25, 2010 @ 10:55 am

The second part of you comment seems to a valid opinion, even though I disagree with most of it.

However, the first part uses misrepresentations of the facts. Ms. Taitz honest of the real issues are lacking. The president did produce his birth certificate and has been the only president to make his birth certificate available to any with access to a computer. Quite a revolutionary move. However, Ms. Taitz behavior is wrong. She attempt to use the courts for he political aims against an innocent person, and then when she is called before the CBA she runs to a humans right origination.

Ms. Taitz behavior is like a bully everyone ignores complains about being picked on while show the video of her bullying people. It just doesn't make sense, and the evidence clearly indicates that Ms. Taitz is attempting to deceive the UN.


katahdin
Comment posted February 25, 2010 @ 10:59 am

It refers to the progressive movement of the 19th century, which was responsible for such awful things as underground sewers, laws to protect the safety of the food supply, and building codes to keep buildings from just falling down with people in them. I have no doubt that you are against all these things.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted February 25, 2010 @ 11:16 am

“why is a person spending more than a million usd to hide documents”

“nobody knows and as long obama spends hundreds of thousands from his own AND TAXPAYER money to hide the truth”

This belabored birfer lie is truly disgusting. You read it on the intarwebs so it must be true?

Prove it or STFU.

Idiots.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted February 25, 2010 @ 11:22 am

” Who would spend as much as $2million to keep from proving it.”

Now it's 2 million. You birfer idiots need to keep your delusions straight.

Idiot.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted February 25, 2010 @ 11:23 am

“just how well socialism works.”

I'm all for cutting off your 911 service. No way in hell I want to support a service that might save your life or property. Let it burn.


theliberalworldgonemad
Comment posted February 25, 2010 @ 11:25 am

When you ASSUME 'You make and ASS out of YOU and me.


theliberalworldgonemad
Comment posted February 25, 2010 @ 11:33 am

Election2010, Great Post. Liberals will never understand such things, because they can't think for themselves. They only can regurgitate what they leaders tell them too. Well they will go off the cliff without a clue that it is happening, as Constitutional Conservatives start taking back our country and our government from all the Power Brokers only interested in Power and Control. That also means all the Rhino Republicraps and well as the D-Craps. A thourogh House Cleaning is coming this fall in DC and across the nation. But many will not see it because they have their eyes shut and brains shut off.


theliberalworldgonemad
Comment posted February 25, 2010 @ 11:41 am

Great post. The only problem is that the left has their eyes closed and their brains trurned off, so that they will not see what is really happening. The are great followers and will follow their Leader(s) right of the cliff and not have a clue that it is happening. Elections 2010, will not even wake some of them up, but they like after 2000 elections, will need psychiatric help to deal with the dpression of what has just happened to them.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted February 25, 2010 @ 12:17 pm

“Liberals will never understand such things, because they can't think for themselves.”

And deranged bigots will keep making idiotic, unfounded generalizations.


theliberalworldgonemad
Comment posted February 25, 2010 @ 5:21 pm

“Only someone that was a habitual Mary Jane cig smoker would know to use the druggie phrase, “Mary Jane cig.”"

You are so stupid that you just told that you are a “Druggie” youself. Because if it takes one to know one, than for you to know one, you must be one!!!!!!!


theliberalworldgonemad
Comment posted February 25, 2010 @ 5:21 pm

“Only someone that was a habitual Mary Jane cig smoker would know to use the druggie phrase, “Mary Jane cig.”"

You are so stupid that you just told that you are a “Druggie” youself. Because if it takes one to know one, than for you to know one, you must be one!!!!!!!


theliberalworldgonemad
Comment posted February 25, 2010 @ 12:25 pm

“Make the Pie Higher” is almost right except that it needs an update “Make the PILE Higher” As in the pile of BS.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted February 25, 2010 @ 12:37 pm

You're not making any sense. You should stop while you're behind before you embarrass yourself with more obviously inane drivel.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted February 25, 2010 @ 12:38 pm

You should avoid cliches like the plague.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted February 25, 2010 @ 12:39 pm

Keep up the bigoted generalizations. You and your angry sock puppets just keep on entertaining.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted February 25, 2010 @ 5:55 pm

Also subject to Article II eligibility compliance to be a natural born citizen, Vice President Spiro Agnew was the son of a Greek immigrant and a mother from Virginia.

But birfers despise those pesky, verifiable facts of history.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted February 25, 2010 @ 5:55 pm

Also subject to Article II eligibility compliance to be a natural born citizen, Vice President Spiro Agnew was the son of a Greek immigrant and a mother from Virginia.

But birfers despise those pesky, verifiable facts of history.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted February 25, 2010 @ 5:59 pm

You’re slipping even farther into deranged babbling. Are you four or just intoxicated? Both?


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted February 25, 2010 @ 5:59 pm

You’re slipping even farther into deranged babbling. Are you four or just intoxicated? Both?


jayhg
Comment posted February 25, 2010 @ 1:15 pm

you have the nerve to talk about “regurigitaton” when your friend election there has spounted one birfer bullshit conspiracy after another in that one post…!!! Boy you birfers are so laughable, you're LAUGHABLE! Well go ahead and pin all your hopes on this desparate GOP takeover in the fall. It ain't gonna happen but anyhow, dare to dream, birfer……..


jayhg
Comment posted February 25, 2010 @ 1:21 pm

the only thing “great” about truepatriot's post is that it has a few complete sentences. The rest of it is pure birfer bullshit……end of story, but keep hope alive, dude. And know that you are entertaining……pathetic and a full on birfer liar and conspiracy theorist, but entertaining none the less and finally, never change. It makes thing so much easier for President Obama's second term as President of the United States.


jayhg
Comment posted February 25, 2010 @ 1:32 pm

to patriot: heavy sign………you birfers never change. God you're stupid.

I know it's loney in that basement wishing, hoping, praying that you will awaken to find that Sarah Palin is president, but…….IT AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN no matter how hard you squeeze your eyes shut and clench your teeth like you did in third grade when you wished REAL HARD and then the next morning, found that $1 under your pillow left by the tooth fairy.

So carry on and thanks, actually, for making that much easier for President Barack Obama to be re-elected. If you birfers and orly taters, as she is called by some, stay joined at the hip to the conservatives, it will be a landslide for President Obama. So yes, thanks a lot!


theliberalworldgonemad
Comment posted February 25, 2010 @ 1:55 pm

I have lots of fun and good laughs at the total stupidity of the leftys and their mindless rants. Back you statements up with facts, and debate the issues, and do some real research on you own, not the repeating the same worn out garbage form you leaders, Government and Mindless Media.


ellid
Comment posted February 25, 2010 @ 1:56 pm

I think you and Election2010 (and Conservativesunited, and several other new posters) are the same person, which makes your self-complimenting rather too close to masturbation for a public forum.


ellid
Comment posted February 25, 2010 @ 1:58 pm

At least the average non-birther poster seems to know that it should actually be “lefties,” “Back your statements,” and “from your leaders,” and that nouns are not usually capitalized in English.

Go back to your circle jerk with your great and good friends like Conservativesunited and Election2010, and leave the rest of us alone.


ellid
Comment posted February 25, 2010 @ 1:58 pm

At least the average non-birther poster seems to know that it should actually be “lefties,” “Back your statements,” and “from your leaders,” and that nouns are not usually capitalized in English.

Go back to your circle jerk with your great and good friends like Conservativesunited and Election2010, and leave the rest of us alone.


theliberalworldgonemad
Comment posted February 25, 2010 @ 2:00 pm

This teacher has a brain!

As the late Adrian Rogers said, “you cannot multiply wealth by dividing it.”

An economics professor at a local college made a statement that he had never failed a single student before,
but had recently failed an entire class. That class had insisted that Obama's socialism worked and that no one would be poor and no one would be rich, a great equalizer.

The professor then said, “OK, we will have an experiment in this class on Obama's plan”. All grades would be averaged and everyone would receive the same grade so no one would fail and no one would receive an A. After the first test, the grades were averaged and everyone got a B. The students who studied hard were upset and the students who studied little were happy.

As the second test rolled around, the students who studied little had studied even less and the ones who studied hard decided they wanted a free ride too so they studied little. The second test average was a D! No one was happy.

When the 3rd test rolled around, the average was an F.

The scores never increased as bickering, blame and name-calling all resulted in hard feelings and no one would study for the benefit of anyone else. All failed, to their great surprise, and the professor told them that socialism would also ultimately fail because when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great but when government takes all the reward away, no one will try or want to succeed.


ellid
Comment posted February 25, 2010 @ 2:01 pm

I do not ASSUME anything. I KNOW you're an idiot, and a badly educated one at that.


ellid
Comment posted February 25, 2010 @ 2:01 pm

I do not ASSUME anything. I KNOW you're an idiot, and a badly educated one at that.


theliberalworldgonemad
Comment posted February 25, 2010 @ 2:09 pm

You commented on spelling and other such things, but not on the message, and when you ran out of those kind of things to say, you put “Go back to your circle jerk with your great and good friends like Conservativesunited and Election2010, and leave the rest of us alone” as proof that the left cannot accept anything except your own view, which in your mind is the truth. By your statement then all LEFTYS (spelled wrong intentionally for you to comment on), need to stay off the Conservative Sites. Thats how single minded you people are. Get used to the fact that We Conservatives are not going to go away, but I do believe that a large number of LEFTYS are going to go away come this fall. Get your bucket to cry in ready, and get your psychiatrist lined up to deal with your mental disease called LIBERLISM.


theliberalworldgonemad
Comment posted February 25, 2010 @ 2:15 pm

We have never said Gop Take over. We are saying Constitutional Conservative Takeover. That includes most of both parties must go.


youmustbejoking
Comment posted February 25, 2010 @ 2:51 pm

He must have been a really bad professor that no one was in his class to learn. Any student who wanted an education would have studied, regardless of any grading, because they are their to learn and if you don't read and study, you don't learn. I have met teachers and professors that do not instill in students the desire to learn. I had one of those in high school. He was the math teacher and if anyone ever asked a question or asked for help he would ridicule that student in front of the class until no one would ask questions. He also had a tendency to hit students with the projector-screen pull-down stick. Nobody, outside his students, ever managed to figure out why so many kids would fail his classes.

Creating a health care system that has affordable insurance and reduced rates for those who can't afford to pay isn't socialism and it makes very good sense to do so. If more people have insurance coverage than the medical providers will get paid more often for care they give, resulting in less increases for those who do pay. Why do you think the largest majority of health care providers support reform?


bearclaw
Comment posted February 25, 2010 @ 3:46 pm

Hmmmm. I think I smell a fairy tale. Please identify the professor and the college. In other words, prove you didn't pass along another urban legend.

Oh, actually snopes.com says this story is at least 15 years old: http://www.snopes.com/college/exam/socialism.asp

Nice going. For unattributed plagiarism, your grade is an “F”.


jayhg
Comment posted February 25, 2010 @ 4:08 pm

Old ass urban legend………damn, dude, you are getting more stupid by the minute…….but you're still entertaining so, never change…….


jayhg
Comment posted February 25, 2010 @ 4:09 pm

bearclaw, I could smell that rotten egg of an urban legend from a mile away…..idiot birfer (I'm talking to that fool who wrote it and forgot that somebody might try to find it on the net and not just take his word for this tale).


jayhg
Comment posted February 25, 2010 @ 4:13 pm

birfer, you really haven't said much of anything except bullshit birfer lies and conspiracy theories…..so keep it up.


youmustbejoking
Comment posted February 25, 2010 @ 4:24 pm

What you are saying is pretty much the polar opposite of what was heard at the tea party events and convention. Tea partiers were denigrating educated, smart people and listening to people who sound like they were lucky to get out of 8th grade. I mean you got Palin saying we don't need a president who thinks! God forbid he spends any part of his day thinking! After all, we survived eight years of a president who didn't know how to think! He only got us into two wars and a failed economy and started bailing out all the institutions deemed “to big to fail”! Gave huge tax breaks to the richest among us. And guess what? It didn't work! We ended up on the verge of the greatest depression ever! And yet you advocate going back to what never worked! And you accuse liberals of being unthinking? I would say you should be looking in the mirror when you make those comments! It is obvious who isn't doing the thinking for themselves before they post! And it isn't the liberals!

Just what we need, more folks who prefer the uneducated and inarticulate.
But you got it wrong. The better the education, the more likely you will think for yourself and be a liberal.


ConstIva
Comment posted February 25, 2010 @ 4:57 pm

It doesn't mater if the “fairy tale,” as you call it, is 15 years old or sashimi-like fresh.
It doesn't also matter if such test took place in a college or not.

What does matter is that people like you who live in a romantic ideological dream world, are incapable of understanding that Socialism by its essense is exactly what that “fairy tale” says.
Sorry, not exactly – much worse.
Who says that? I, Constantine Ivanov.
I who lived under Socialism almost 50 years.

But you naive young Americans (I'm certain you're younger than I) are incapable of sorting out the sweatness of your romantic (actually – immoral) Socialistic dreams from the rough reality of inhuman real-life Socialism.

And what is even worse: you don't want to learn form real history; instead, you are reading and listening to glorification of Socialism by liberasts.
It's a pity.
And it's ruthless in regard to the Americ's future.


ConstIva
Comment posted February 25, 2010 @ 4:57 pm

It doesn't mater if the “fairy tale,” as you call it, is 15 years old or sashimi-like fresh.
It doesn't also matter if such test took place in a college or not.

What does matter is that people like you who live in a romantic ideological dream world, are incapable of understanding that Socialism by its essense is exactly what that “fairy tale” says.
Sorry, not exactly – much worse.
Who says that? I, Constantine Ivanov.
I who lived under Socialism almost 50 years.

But you naive young Americans (I'm certain you're younger than I) are incapable of sorting out the sweatness of your romantic (actually – immoral) Socialistic dreams from the rough reality of inhuman real-life Socialism.

And what is even worse: you don't want to learn form real history; instead, you are reading and listening to glorification of Socialism by liberasts.
It's a pity.
And it's ruthless in regard to the Americ's future.


Magginkat
Comment posted February 25, 2010 @ 4:57 pm

ATTN: theliberalworldgonemad – - Every time a conservative/Repugnant tries to describe a Liberal/Democrat he always….ALWAYS describes himself.


Magginkat
Comment posted February 25, 2010 @ 4:57 pm

ATTN: theliberalworldgonemad – - Every time a conservative/Repugnant tries to describe a Liberal/Democrat he always….ALWAYS describes himself.


bearclaw
Comment posted February 25, 2010 @ 4:58 pm

The quote from Adrian Rogers is interesting in several respects. First, Adrian Rogers was a very conservative Southern Baptist pastor. So conservative, apparently, that he must have forgotten what the Book of Acts says about the early Church:

Acts 2:44-45: “And all that believed were together, and had all things common;
And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.” (KJV)

Acts 4:32: “And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common.” (KJV)

That sounds like a “great equalizer”: no one poor, no one rich. I guess Jesus was a socialist (or if not Jesus, then Peter).

Second, wealth is multiplied by using it. Think of it like yeast. I can multiply yeast by dividing it, because then it can leaven more flour. $1 billion in the hands of a single person does not generate anywhere near the economic activity (and corresponding potential to create wealth) of $10,000 in the hands of each of 100,000 people. (The marginal spending rate decreases as income increases).

Now, if what you are trying to say is that the billionaire will not get wealthier by giving all his or her money away, fine. But if you look at current marginal income tax rates on high income earners, they do not come close to the rates that were in place during the Reagan years. The Obama Administration has not proposed “equalizing” everyone's wealth or everyone's income. Care to prove otherwise?


bearclaw
Comment posted February 25, 2010 @ 4:58 pm

The quote from Adrian Rogers is interesting in several respects. First, Adrian Rogers was a very conservative Southern Baptist pastor. So conservative, apparently, that he must have forgotten what the Book of Acts says about the early Church:

Acts 2:44-45: “And all that believed were together, and had all things common;
And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.” (KJV)

Acts 4:32: “And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common.” (KJV)

That sounds like a “great equalizer”: no one poor, no one rich. I guess Jesus was a socialist (or if not Jesus, then Peter).

Second, wealth is multiplied by using it. Think of it like yeast. I can multiply yeast by dividing it, because then it can leaven more flour. $1 billion in the hands of a single person does not generate anywhere near the economic activity (and corresponding potential to create wealth) of $10,000 in the hands of each of 100,000 people. (The marginal spending rate decreases as income increases).

Now, if what you are trying to say is that the billionaire will not get wealthier by giving all his or her money away, fine. But if you look at current marginal income tax rates on high income earners, they do not come close to the rates that were in place during the Reagan years. The Obama Administration has not proposed “equalizing” everyone's wealth or everyone's income. Care to prove otherwise?


bearclaw
Comment posted February 25, 2010 @ 5:09 pm

Fact: the highest marginal tax rate for individual federal income tax is 35%. It has been lower than that in only ten of the 97 years since the U.S. adopted an individual income tax.

I prefer to deal in facts. I respond to lies by debunking them. I'm not in a “romantic ideological dream world”: I'm over 50, a lawyer in private practice, and I pay a lot of taxes. If you care to respond with facts, we can have a discussion. If you approve of bloggers who try to make support their points by repeating lies (urban legends), then you have lot in common with Soviet propagandists.


bearclaw
Comment posted February 25, 2010 @ 5:17 pm

Fact: The highest marginal federal income tax rate for individual earners in 2009 was 35%, which is lower than in all but ten of the 97 years the U.S. has had an individual income tax. For comparison, the highest rate was 50% during most of Ronald Reagan's presidency: http://www.ntu.org/tax-basics/history-of-federa…

I'm over 50, and lawyer in private practice, and I pay a lot of taxes. I also prefer to deal in facts. So if you want to present facts, we can have a discussion. If you want to applaud a blogger who supports his position by repeating lies (urban legends), then you have much in common with Soviet propagandists.


ellid
Comment posted February 25, 2010 @ 6:01 pm

Wasn't this used against Franklin Roosevelt?


ellid
Comment posted February 25, 2010 @ 6:09 pm

Um, sorry to pick nits, comrade, but wouldn't a Russian or Eastern European spell his first name “Konstantine,” not “Constantine”? And wouldn't someone from Eastern Europe know that the former economic and political system used in Russia and the Warsaw Pact countries was *Communism*, not Socialism?

Just asking….


ConstIva
Comment posted February 25, 2010 @ 6:32 pm

I don't want to insult your intelligence: I am pretty sure you understood that my point was not to call you “young,” even if you are in fact (based on your own confession) a lot younger than I.
As for your romanticism praised by your spouse….
Well, firstly, my post was incited by your remark about “fairy tale,” which in its turn, was about the essence of the Socialism.
I am not going to change the topic: essence of the Socialism.
I am not going to discuss whether the test was a “urban legend” or an actual event – it doesn't matter, as I already said. Had it really happened, it would only confirm the reality – Socialism kills free-will initiatives and freedom.

Secondly, your cocky invitation “if you want to present facts”.

Well, don't you want to take as FACTS, very bloody ones, the the history of establishing, the fate, and living standards of numerous Socialist countries?

Truly honest and smart people learn from history and from taking an honest not-blinded look at the fate of the following European countries (I list them in alphabetic order intentionally, to avoid ranking):
Albania (January 1, 1946 – March 22, 1992);
Bulgaria (September 15, 1946 – December 7, 1990);
Czechoslovakia (July 11, 1960 – March 29, 1990);
GDR (October 7, 1949 – October 3, 1990);
Greece (December 24, 1947 – August 28, 1949);
Hungary (August 20, 1949 – October 23, 1989);
Poland (June 28, 1945 – July 19, 1989);
Romania (December 30, 1947 – December 21, 1989);
USSR (December 30, 1922 – December 26, 1991);
Yugoslavia(November 29, 1943 – October 8, 1991 / April 27, 1992);

the fate of the following Asian countries:
Afghanistan (April 27, 1978 – April 28, 1992);
Kampuchea (January 7, 1979 – October 23, 1991);
Mongolia (November 24, 1924 – February 12, 1992);
Vietnam (September 2, 1945 – July 2, 1976);

the fate of the following African countries:
Angola (November 11, 1975 – August 27, 1992);
Benin (November 30, 1975 – March 1, 1990);
Congo (January 3, 1970 – March 15, 1992);
Ethiopia (September 10, 1987 – May 27, 1991);
Mozambique (June 25, 1975 – December 1, 1990);
Somali (July 1, 1976 – January 26, 1991);
Yemen (November 30, 1967 – May 22, 1990), all of which are already the past history (after an ocean of blood of own compatriots);

and the fate of the following still “existing” Socialist countries:
China (October 1, 1949 and before the Deng Xiaoping’s reform in 1977);
Cuba (January 1, 1959);
North Korea (September 9, 1948);
Laos (December 2, 1975);
Vietnam (July 2, 1976, but in the north since 1954),
all of which are not in the list of the most prosperous countries, to say as softly as I can.

I wouldn’t mind if people read so-called “source materials” of Marxism-Leninism just to learn the essence of that inhuman ideology.
But reading books like “The Social basis of American Communism” reveals the devilish and damnable intentions of the reader(s).

To me, who lived under Commies almost 50 years, such individuals are personal sworn foes.

If you are morally OK with the uncountable number of tons of blood of OWN compatriots Socialism poured for the sake of an imaginary romantic “immediate bliss of the entire world”, go ahead, laud Socialism.
Without me.
Just don't tell me a well known foolish thing that Capitalism also is bloody: I am not talking about XIX Century and further backward, but even than Capitalism was not fighting against own compatriots. But all Socialist and other revolutions were murdering OWN compatriots, even more so in the XX Century.

And the last: take an honest look at the Social-Democratic European countries now: all of them are now in the process of decline. And this happened in short 50 years of experimenting.

But as I said: I know history is not the teacher of American liberasts. And Liberasty is very contagious…


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted February 25, 2010 @ 6:40 pm

election 2010 is Kurt Fritsch, a German immigrant that arrived here in 2007. I guess we don't have enough foreign nutcases here.


youmustbejoking
Comment posted February 25, 2010 @ 6:45 pm

What is liberlism?


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted February 25, 2010 @ 6:46 pm

This is who you're arguing with.

Constantine Ivanov's Facebook page. A Sarah Palin supporter so I guess all immigrants like Sarah.

http://www.facebook.com/people/Constantine-Ivan…


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted February 25, 2010 @ 6:49 pm

Don't you just love a guy that lived under communism in the USSR as claimed on his Facebook page:

http://www.facebook.com/people/Constantine-Ivan…

and yet he works for Citibank, one of the biggest takers of tax payer funds and loves Sarah Palin. It must be genetic since he and Orly have the same paranoia.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted February 25, 2010 @ 6:53 pm

Here's a fact. The president has not spent millions to keep his birth certificate and other records hidden as you have claimed. The Department of Justice put out a statement that the total cost so far as been $20.40 which has been billed to Birfer Attorney Phil Berg.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted February 25, 2010 @ 6:57 pm

Fear of Joe Liberman?

Anyone else here having problems with posting. I keep getting a message that this site has blocked me from posting.


bearclaw
Comment posted February 25, 2010 @ 7:04 pm

You have completely misunderstood my point. Read it again. I do not defend communism or any other form of totalitarianism. My point is that the U.S. is not a socialist country, let alone a communist country. Not even close. Are you aware that we elect our leaders? Are you aware that our current President received more votes than any other political candidate in the history of the United States?

If you don't like the political decisions of your elected representatives, vote for other people. That is how democracy works.

If you believe that any form of government that results in some redistribution of wealth is “socialist,” then all government is, by that definition, socialist. It is not possible to have government supported by taxes, tariffs, or other levies without affecting the distribution of wealth.


ConstIva
Comment posted February 25, 2010 @ 7:06 pm

1. If you want “K,” then it would be “Konstantin” without “e” at the end – it's a normal German way of transliteration of Russian names.
But the name Constantine is well known in its French version of that ancient Greek name. And such spelling is pretty common in the USA, as well.
If not to mention that it's not your [...] business how I call myself.

2. You may and can call “comrade” some of your pals from Communist or Nazi party. I am not among them.

3. Your last phrase about Communism in the USSR reveals exactly that American illiteracy, which I was talking about in my previous posts: Communism in the USSR was a GOAL of the Communist Party of the USSR to achieve some day. The “day” was not defined, though -:) simply because even the Soviet Communist idiots realized that that goal is unachiavable.

The system of the USSR was officallly called “developed Socialism.”

Gosh, how little you Americans know about Socialism and Communism! That's why you want it, poor dreamers.


election 2010
Comment posted February 25, 2010 @ 7:09 pm

and as an immigrant from Germany I know very well where all this BS will end. Believe me, you wouldn't like to live in an European country. And that's the reason why I oppose the Helth Care, the Crap and Fake, the bailouts and all the other BS. It will end in a big mess – like in Europe! I made the experiences, you wouldn't like to make! It's my damn duty to alarm you!


election 2010
Comment posted February 25, 2010 @ 7:37 pm

btw: I don't understand you folks! America has a constitution, America has values on which this great country is build and which made this country prosperous. Why do you jeopardize all this? And I don't mean the liberals only. There are a lot of so-called Republicans who are destroying this country in the same way! That's the reason why we the people must take back his country and bring it back on track. Kick out all these career-politicians who care a shit about their constituents and vote folks in the offices who really represents the people. Less government – not more. Again: more government is the first step to Socialism. It does never end. Government wants (and takes) more and more and more and at the end of the day you are told what to eat, what to drink, what to drive, what to think! WAKE UP.


Jim
Comment posted February 25, 2010 @ 7:42 pm

So, let me get this straight. Now we have a bunch of foreigners acting like they understand our country better than we do and lecturing us?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted February 25, 2010 @ 8:15 pm

There are certain aspects of your argument that I totally agree with. Many of the career politicians are not doing this country any good and are bought and paid for by the corporations. But I believe you're wrong to classify Barack Obama as such. And I certainly don't agree with a person like Orly Taitz taking it upon herself to make up lies in an attempt to have him removed. She doesn't even understand the way our consitution or democracy works nor do most of her supporters. To think that they can undo an election where the majority of voters voted for Obama and hold a special election is so totally wrong. It will never happen.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted February 25, 2010 @ 8:19 pm

And I'd like to add that the way you write, you are trying to tell use how to think. Most of us have lived here all of our lives' and know the trends since we've lived through many different presidents and politicians. These arguments are not new at all. We've had people screaming that this country is becoming socialist for over 50 years.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted February 25, 2010 @ 8:25 pm

Apparently they think they do. Little do they know that most of us have seen these arguments year after year for 50+ years. We haven't become a 'socialist' country after all these years and we aren't going to become one now. Only those that have lived in paranoia for so many years and then moved here think this way and regurgitate their fears enough to scare the simple minded citizens.

How many elections have gone by where the conservatives have claimed they're going to lose their guns? I believe it happens every time that we get a Democratic controlled congress and president. Has it ever happened? No. Will it ever happen? No. There are enough of us 'libs' (if you want to call me one) that aren't going to give up our guns.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted February 25, 2010 @ 8:34 pm

Why don't you write that you lived under 'developed Socialism' for 50 years instead of Communism as you did in your Facebook profile?


ConstIva
Comment posted February 25, 2010 @ 10:00 pm

Because it will be incomprehensible to other undereducated people.


ConstIva
Comment posted February 25, 2010 @ 10:03 pm

1. If you came to a general conclusion (“all immigrants love Sarah…”) based on only 2 alledged Sarah's fans, it says a lot about your personal level of education, logic, and common sense. “D -” (Just to avoid the ambiguous “F”)
2. My work as a programmer at Citibank (or whatever it is) says about my political views as much as your work as dentist (or whatever it is) about your political views. Do you always have a bunch of job offers at once to choose from? “D -” (the same reason)
3. About your expression “paranoia” – it not only says a lot about your bad manners, but also supports my gloomy impression of your hatred for freedom and personal responsibilities, as well as your thraldom to a Big oppressive government.
We Russians fought against Socialist slavery, while you American are figthing for Socialist slavery.
Fough!

The main thing in your posts is that you have nothing to say to the point, or in essence, if you will.
By the way, unlike freaks who are hiding their real names,I don't hide. Libs are always cowards.


truepatriotfreethinker
Comment posted February 25, 2010 @ 10:20 pm

OK Barack, stay off the whitehouse computer so late! You might need to take that call at 3 o'clock. You know, the one saying that someone broke into the hospital in Mombasa, Kenya and stole your birth certificate.

For one thing, my little underwhelmingly intelligent comrade, what do you think the second R in USSR stands for? HMMM? Union of Soviet 'Socialist' Republics. WoW! I bet you wish now that you had paid more attention in school. That's why these little snapperheads don't know how the differences in socialism, or how to know it when they see it occuring in their own back yard.

Adolph Hitler and his merry band of National Socialists studied the communist playbook of Karl Marx and allowed private ownership, state government controlled businesses. That is one of the small factors that separates the NAZI form of Socialism from communist Socialism. What do you see happening with our government's takeover of corporations? Hugo Chavez said he likes aspects of both socialist theories and follows both.

By the way, Comrade Barack has never produced his “BIRTH CERTIFICATE” for scrutinous review. He has released a photocopy of his supposed “CERTIFICATE of LIVE BIRTH” which is nowhere near being the same thing. It also has a number that is out of sequence from other COLB's or BC's from that same day. They are filed and numbered in sequencial order according to date and time of birth. Barack's is out of sequence judging from 2 other births which occured earlier that same day that the immaculate Barack was supposedly born.


youmustbejoking
Comment posted February 25, 2010 @ 10:38 pm

You comments are an insult to the many brave men and women who have served this country and vote Democratic, like my father in-law. He served 20 years in the Army, including two tours of duty in Viet Nam. He was a proud Democrat, as many that serve are and have been, including families like the Kennedy's. More of the Democratic members of Congress are military vets than from the other side and more of their family members serve than those from the right. The ones on the right look for the ways to get out of serving. I would happily identify myself if it weren't for the employment of my spouse. I can't have my name out floating around online. But I am an American, born and raised and I do happen to know a lot about history and about what we are doing here. Providing health insurance that is affordable to all isn't socialism and it is something that this country desperatly needs. We should never have people dying for lack of medical care or from any of the necessities of life- food, shelter, medicine.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted February 25, 2010 @ 10:40 pm

Unfortunately, you don't know what you're writing about. These arguments have beeng going on for over 50 years and we're still not a socialist country nor will we ever be a socialist country. It is your paranoia that makes you believe what you believe, comrade.


Jim
Comment posted February 25, 2010 @ 10:41 pm

Interesting…now the site won't let me post to another poster's comment. It doesn't let me post intermittently either. Must be time for another upgrade.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted February 25, 2010 @ 10:42 pm

So you like to say you lived in a communist country when in fact it was socialism.


Jim
Comment posted February 25, 2010 @ 10:46 pm

Funny, neither did any other President produce his “Birth Certificate” for scrutinous review. In fact, most Presidents never had “Birth Certificates” What is important, though, is the State of Hawaii says unequivocally he was born there. So, you have nothing to complain about, since that's supposedly what this is all about.


truepatriotfreethinker
Comment posted February 25, 2010 @ 10:46 pm

If you moved to a country that you knew was the bastion of freedom, where everyone living under an oppressive socialist regime who ever wanted to be free wanted to come all of their lives, and saw it inching towards the same thing they just escaped, wouldn't you also be paranoid, especially when the young snapperheads who will someday lead this country don't know enough about socialism to know that they are embracing it. You think you are so smart but you really don't know your … from a hole in the ground. You people had better wake up and realize a few things instead of trying to prove how smart you are, when you aren't by any means. We are on the verge of possibly losing this country to the point where it will be impossible to recover. And in the process I guarantee you we will have a bloodbath of a civil war.

So you keep on smiling, joking around and believing you are smart because if you really can't see it happening now, then you're going to get a BIG wakeup slap in the face of reality and you won't be able to set the gears back in the opposite direction. You will be the one's trying to talk some sense into the idiots who won't listen and that think it's all a joke.

Go to movie25.com and watch the soviet story. tell me how funny you think that is.


truepatriotfreethinker
Comment posted February 25, 2010 @ 10:50 pm

Thank You!
Well Put!


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted February 25, 2010 @ 10:50 pm

Shhhh! You're giving away our plan!


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted February 25, 2010 @ 10:53 pm

You have to take these commie insults with a grain of salt. Since 'Igor' aka Constlva doesn't know that I served in the Navy and also do the same type of work that he does, I'll cut him some slack.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted February 25, 2010 @ 10:57 pm

I'm having the same issues. Sometimes, I post and I get a message that this site has blocked me from posting and other times, I post and come back to where I'm commenting as a Guest.


Jim
Comment posted February 25, 2010 @ 11:10 pm

Must be a communist plot to take over discus…or maybe a socialist plot. Depending which Orly clone is posting, I guess. Why is it these folks won't understand that the majority of Americans want/appreciate the truth and have done something not a single one of their native countries can lay claim to? Force a leader to resign under the power of the voice of the people. It is a shame that we welcome them with open arms and they choose to close their minds rather than embrace our freedoms. Oh well, their loss.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted February 25, 2010 @ 11:22 pm

I, too, am opposed to Helth Care. It almost sounds like hell to me. And I don't believe I'd like Crap and Fake. I'm not so sure your comrade, ConstIva, would agree with you on your opposition to the bailout since he works for Citibank and probably would have lost his job. But I am alarmed when I read that you made the experiences – because that reads that you were responsible for the way things turned out in Europe.


youmustbejoking
Comment posted February 25, 2010 @ 11:57 pm

The President of the United States, Barack H. Obama, presented his official Certificate of Live Birth, not a photo copy, to several individuals, including those from factcheck.org who examined the actual document in their hands. The one with the embossed (stamped) state seal and the official signature of the department head. They took high resolution photo's of the document, not photo copies, and posted the photo's on their web site. The Certificate of Live Birth is what you get now when you request a copy. I have one almost identical in style, different state. It is an official document. I have seen no proof to the oft posted allegations that it is “out of sequence”. Chances are the paperwork came in from the hospital's at different times, maybe several days worth at a time. The numbering would more than likely rely on how the person doing the entry picked them up. Back then it wasn't being done on computer, it depended on people picking up the pieces of paper and doing the work. You have no way of knowing how they came into the registrars office or how the work was done once it was there. The Hawaiian officials who stated they have seen the originals and the president was born in Honolulu and is a natural born citizen. The passport offices would have seen his birth certificate long ago because they issued him a passport. If he didn't have a US passport, the contract employees in the passport office would not have been able to access his, Hillary's or McCain's files. Remember that? The illegal file entry? If you don't have a US passport, you don't have a file in the passport office. Just because you don't want him to be the president doesn't mean the proof isn't sufficient. It doesn't have to please you but it worked for the rest of us. You know, the millions of people who voted for him.


Anonymous
Comment posted February 26, 2010 @ 5:08 am

I think you just proved who is the stupid one.
So have the others.
You think you are so smart but you really don’t know your … from a hole in the ground. You snapperheads had better wake up and realize a few things instead of trying to prove how smart you are, when you aren’t by any means. We are on the verge of possibly losing this country to the point where it will be impossible to recover.

So you keep on smiling, joking around and believing you are smart because if you really can’t see it happening now, then you’re going to get a BIG wakeup slap in the face of reality and you won’t be able to set the gears back in the opposite direction. You will be the one’s trying to talk some sense into the friggin morons who won’t listen and think it’s all a big joke. I am so very intimidated by your obvious superior intelligences here, and all the really smart namecalling. Your lack of knowledge and lack of ability to see the obvious impresses me greatly.

You are like the idiots who thought the Titanic couldn’t sink, and tried to capsise the lifeboats to get a spot on one. Or the morons who go to Spain to partake in “The Running of the Bulls.” Someone always has second thoughts about their previous thinking especially when you have a bullhorn sticking up your anus. That tends to wake someone up real fast especially when its still connected to a thrashing bull.

What would be amazingly hillarious is if all of us ‘stupid idiots’ would just sit back and let you lose this country and your freedoms because of your ‘smartness.’ Yes, even your freedom to come to a site like this and bitch about losing all your rights. Keep thinking that it can’t happen. You are sooooo smart, Morons!
But I’m not going to do that. We’ll save you from yourselves. That’s the way it always works. The one’s who saw the situation correctly have to bail out the friggin morons.
After World War ONE, the French built what they thought was an impregnable fortress wall along the border with Germany. The French soldiers would hold a bottle of wine in one hand and a hunk of cheese in the other, while bearing their butts to the Germans across the line, and all while laughing and sticking their tongues out. Just a few years later the Germans went around the wall up through Belgium and Holland and took France, all in less than 2 weeks. I bet those frogs were laughing and partying later. Sounds about like you morons.


Jim
Comment posted February 26, 2010 @ 5:20 am

So, what you’re saying is, you’ve got no proof of anything illegal. You’ve got no proof of Obama not being an American citizen. You’ve got no proof of anything except off-the-wall stories that have nothing to do with modern day except a sad attempt to scare people with YOUR paranoia. I understand. So, instead of trying to save us, why don’t you try to save yourself? You obviously need some medical attention. Oh wait, sorry…no insurance you can’t have any help.


katahdin
Comment posted February 26, 2010 @ 12:32 am

I've had problems posting, too. Can anyone predict when this problem might be fixed, and if there is any way to report it?


youmustbejoking
Comment posted February 26, 2010 @ 12:41 am

It's been doing that to me too. I can usually refresh and get it working right. I am assuming they are doing some work do to the new layout of the comment section, but I sure wish they would get the bugs out!


truepatriotfreethinker
Comment posted February 26, 2010 @ 1:26 am

A “Certificate of Live Birth” is nowhere near the same thing as a “B-I-R-T-H C-E-R-T-I-F-I-C-A-T-E”. A “Certificate of Live Birth” shows that someone has registered the birth of a child. And at the time in Hawaii, anyone from anywhere in the world could register a birth from out of country because those immigrants could not in most cases obtain a “Birth Certificate” from their country of origin. Also, someone who was born out of country to a parent/ or parents who were citizens while they were out of country. Or if someone was born at home, in their home. You can put all the stamps and certifications on a “Certificate of Live Birth” as you want, and it will always be just what it is. A “Birth Certificate” however, states:

Where the birth took place; Hospital name, if it was a home birth, State and country of the birth.
Also, the attending physician's name, and a signed witness to the birth.

Barack may well have a U.S. passport now, but the fact that he traveled to Pakistan in the early 80's during a time when no U.S. citizents could do so, proves the stories about him having an Indonesian passport.

Just because you voted for him doesn't mean you shouldn't be concerned about his true eligibility. In that case, if Ahmadinejad claimed he was a U.S. citizen and wanted to run for POTUS, should he be allowed?

You should be concerned that he refuses to release the proof of where he was truly born. That's why he won't release his supposed Hawaiian “Birth Certificate”. It doesn't exist. He won't even allow the release of his school records either because they would prove that he registered as a non U.S. citizen. His own grandmother in Kenya swore she was at the hospital in Mombasa and witnessed the birth. His half brother says he was born in Kenya.

He may have technically won the election by winning the popular vote, of registered dead people, the entire cast of Disneyland, illegal aliens, misled and misguided youth, brainwashed and uncaring individuals.
I knew who Obama was before election day. I knew of all the questions surrounding him. All of you should have known. You could have found out just as I did and pressed him to settle it before the election. All you people were thinking about was getting someone elected who was not Bush and smearing it in our faces. And that's all I see going on in here. HaHa, we won, you lost and just can't stand it. You call us racists. There is no racism about it. I voted for Alan Keyes and he's blacker than Obama. But I know where Alan Keyes stands and he isn't a socialist. Unlike Obama, he's a patriotic American who really cares about America and believes in the principles set out by the Founding Fathers. That's what I care about. I can also counter that with a claim of racism of my own against the idiots who insidt that it's what we're all about. They are also racists for voting FOR Obama Just Because He's Black. That's racist! They voted for him only because he's black, and the proof is they don't know any facts about him other than that. Nothing about his past or anything. They don't care about any of that, only that he's black and he won. But just because HE WON doesn't make him a legitimate president. If he's really inneligible, by any of his many circumstances that would make him inneligible, then he isn't the president, Biden isn't the VP, Hillary isn't Secretary of State as an Obama appointee. None of it was legal. Prove me wrong!

You tell us to, “Prove It!”
That's what we are trying to do. You people should help prove us wrong, but you won't because you're scared of finding out the truth. Why don't you send letters to Obama and tell him you voted for him and you want him to prove us wrong?


youmustbejoking
Comment posted February 26, 2010 @ 2:44 am

I just went to the DC Courts website to see if any hearing had been scheduled or order given before the deadline Oily had put on her filings. I'm not seeing anything on the court system docket or anything in the opinions or orders either. 2-26-10 was her deadline!!


youmustbejoking
Comment posted February 26, 2010 @ 4:01 am

OK- first of all if someone was born elsewhere and was eligible for a US birth certificate and applied in Hawaii for said certificate, the certificate would not say they were born in Honolulu, Hawaii, it would say where they were born. They don't change the birth place. Second, there was a woman who was in the hospital the same time his mom was there giving birth that told her story – I read it somewhere, I'll have to try to find it. Then there was the friend of the doctor who delivered him who had lunch with the doctor the same week Obama was born. When she asked the doctor about his week, he said well, “Stanley had a baby today!” I'm sure you recall his mothers' official first name was Stanley. The friend said the doctor went on to talk about the birth of the black baby to the white woman with the father who came over to Hawaii from Kenya. She told her story to I think a New York paper after the president became a candidate. Thirdly, the Certificate of Live Birth is what they give out nowadays. My grandchild was born 4 1/2 years ago and her certificate is the same as the presidents certificate- different state. They don't give out the same info anymore. For privacy and identity theft reasons. The certificate he presented is from what Hawaii has on file. They don't make things up out of thin air. It clearly says he was born in Hawaii. The supposed interview with a step grandmother in Kenya was bogus. If you listen to the entire thing, she insists she was talking about his father and Barack H. Obama II was born in Hawaii. The fool doing the “interview” was trying to make it something else because of the language barrier, but the old lady and the interpreter got it straight. They just cut the interview off before you get to that part, trying to make it sound as if she said he was born in Kenya
Fourth, the whole BS story about the travel is nothing but BS. The US State Department and the Pakistani government has confirmed there was NO travel ban to US citizens in the eighties. You had to get a Visa for up to 30 days when you got to the Pakistani airport, but they welcomed Americans. There were sometimes caution advisories issued by our state department due to fighting and such but there was no travel ban. The Kenyan embassy has also confirmed that Barack H. Obama had never been to Kenya until he was an adult, confirmed his father was in America at the time of his son's birth and did not return to Kenya until some years after that and that Stanley Ann Dunham Obama had NEVER EVER been to Kenya. I don't know how you can claim she gave birth there when her body was never there.

No one has access to anyone's school records except the person they are for or a parent if a minor child or college student you as a parent are paying for. The president doesn't have to release his school records- there is no requirement and you certainly can't be surprised if you or Oily goes to try to get them you will be told NO. You can't do that. That does not translate to “he sealed them”. I don't care what Oily claims, that is bogus. And for your information, I did my own checking long before the elections because I wanted to know who he was. I supported Hillary. I did my checking and I was satisfied with what I found.
You can't possibly be serious about the accusations of voter fraud. You have to show ID and be registered to vote. In the tiny town I lived in where I had voted for ten years and the old ladies staffing the tables all knew me and I still had to show my ID. Maybe some people who hadn't voted before voted but that is because they got excited about an election. And can you really blame people who have never, ever had the opportunity to vote for someone who looks like them? I mean really? I sure don't. Isn't that why people say they like Sarah Palin? Cause “she's like us”:? Not qualified to be president, but oh yeah, she is Josie Six Pack!
As to the your “prove us wrong”, it does no good. You don't want him to be the president so you are all stuck on stupid. You will not listen to even the republican governor of Hawaii who stated unequivocally that Obama was born in Hawaii. You won't accept the Certificate of Live Birth even though the Director of the Hawaiian Department of Health said she verified the original documents are on file and he was born in Honolulu, Hawaii. You won't listen to truth because you don't want it that way. But the rest of the US and the world accepts the truth so the way it works here is you have to prove otherwise. That's how our system is set up. You don't have to prove you are innocent, you have to be proven guilty. Everyone else has looked at the facts and said there is no case but you guys won't accept it. So you are going to continue to look like fools and idiots because of it. And people on these sites will continue to make fun of you and call you names because you refuse to listen and accept the facts.


ellid
Comment posted February 26, 2010 @ 6:52 am

Uh oh. DOOM.


ellid
Comment posted February 26, 2010 @ 7:05 am

American Heritage had a fabulous article once that pointed out, rightly, that America has *never* been seriously threatened by leftists. Ever. There has never been a left-leaning militia or political group that even came close to taking over America, even during the late 1960s.

Right-wing groups, though, are another story:

Know-Nothings in the 1840s.

The first Klan in the 1870s.

The robber barons in the 1890s.

The second Klan in the 1920s.

The “Wall Street coup” of the 1930s that failed because Gen. Smedley Butler refused to be the American Franco.

McCarthyism in the 1950s.

Militia groups, “sovereign citizens,” and “freemen on the land” from the 1980s to the present, most notably whenever a Democrat is President.

American Heritage also pointed out that, with very few exceptions (most notably the Weather Underground in the late 1960s/early 1970s), virtually every act of domestic terrorism in American history, from assassination of strikers to lynching to the Tulsa riot to Oklahoma City to the shooting of George Tiller, has been carried out someone on the right.


ellid
Comment posted February 26, 2010 @ 7:07 am

I'm a middle aged textile historian in Massachusetts. I've never made any secret of this.

You, on the other hand, are in idiot, and you seem to have many, many, many names….


ellid
Comment posted February 26, 2010 @ 7:08 am

Right. *rolls eyes*

Not only a birther and an idiot, but condescending as well.


ellid
Comment posted February 26, 2010 @ 7:10 am

And as tragic as this is, NOT ONE BIT OF it has a damn thing to do with President Obama's eligibility for office, or the fact that in any other industrialized country he'd be considered center-right.

*rolls eyes* Give me a break.


Bostwick666
Comment posted February 26, 2010 @ 7:22 am

Oh dear. being accused of not learning from 'real history' by someone with a fake historical anecdote… Truly this is the end…. ;-)


Anonymous
Comment posted February 26, 2010 @ 12:33 pm

And yet another illiterate birther….

*weary sigh*


Anonymous
Comment posted February 26, 2010 @ 12:34 pm

The spelling and grammar are so poor that I am unable to figure out what you are saying. Sorry.


justanamerican
Comment posted February 26, 2010 @ 10:11 am

Fake???? There is nothing fake about this man. I know him and he spent 50 years in USSR, as he has stated to you. Wake up, open your ears and eyes. Do not be led by those who are trying to decieve. This is not about right or left, Repub or Dem, it is about what is happening to this nation right under the eyes of many people. Both political parties are doing this too us. Get off your duff and do something for the country and look for the real truth, not what you imagine it to be in your mind, Socialism with Communism is what this nation will have unless we fight against it. Stop making insults and join the discussion to solve problems


justanamerican
Comment posted February 26, 2010 @ 10:19 am

FDR did usher in socialism. Social spending has been expanded by every president since, to the point the we are now a bankrupt country. We need a much smaller government, and we need to abolish many of the unconstitutional agencies, starting with the Federal Reseve (which is not even part of the govenment), education dept, energy dept, HUD and many more. They are bloated self serving agencies that at the least do no good and at the worst make things worse.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted February 26, 2010 @ 10:34 am

“not what you imagine in your mind” – I don't believe the majority of us are imagining anything. It is the other way around. The reason that most of us are here are to share our opinions about Orly Taitz and how much amusement she bring us with her antics.


justanamerican
Comment posted February 26, 2010 @ 10:37 am

You I thought it was the left that embraces diversity, but these comments seem to tell another story. Do you only accept diversity when you agree with the person, and reject in all other cases??? If you truly wanted to learn from your mistakes, it is always best to listen to those who have been thru things and experienced them first hand. Who better to understand what works and what does not work. If you bury head in sand, shut your eyes and ears, you are doomed to repeat the mistakes that have been made before. That is your choice to do, but it is not my choice, and I will always incorporate new ideas in from those who have been there before, so I do not have to go thru the pain they went thru. As a business owner, if you keep making the same mistakes over and over, you will not be in business very long. The same applies to counties, as you will notice that most of the Communist Socialist Countries are History. This county is headed for the scrap heap too is we do not change course, and go away from Socialism. Many of the European countries have reconized it does not work, and are tying to change the course, but it is long and painfull to do so. Even Communist China, recongnized that Socialism does not work, and have put in a Free Market economy of sorts. I have no idea for sure how they are mking work under Communism, but it si working.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted February 26, 2010 @ 10:42 am

Does that surprise you? I doubt the judge is going to bend over backwards for Orly and will more than likely toss her case out. Then, Orly can blaim it all on John McCain since his campaign ad is going to influence all of those 'corrupt' judges.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted February 26, 2010 @ 10:52 am

I doubt anyone of us in here that disagrees with you needs you to lecture us on our American values or what we believe should be done when it comes to political issues. If you want to soak in the paranoia of a few, then it is your right to do so. I, on the other hand, have dealt with the changes in the political environment here for 50+ years. Do we have a perfect system? No. Is it becoming a socialist country? No. Do we have social services? Yes. Do I want to do without them? No.

I like the fact that I can dial 911 and have the police here or a fire truck or an ambulance. Leave it up to the right and eventually those options would be gone.

I do not like having someone force their religious and moral values on me which is most certainly what happens when the conservatives get into power. Look at the faith based initiative of Bush's. I'd agree with most of what it brought with the exception of having to listen and agree to the religious aspects to receive any type of help.


justanamerican
Comment posted February 26, 2010 @ 10:53 am

Socialism

——————————————————————————–
A theory or system of social reform which contemplates a complete reconstruction of society, with a more just and equitable distribution of property and labor. In popular usage, the term is often employed to indicate any lawless, revolutionary social scheme. See Communism, Fourierism, Saint-Simonianism, forms of socialism.

Socialism Quotations

Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.
Winston Churchill

The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries.
Winston Churchill

Democracy is the road to socialism.
Karl Marx

The meaning of peace is the absence of opposition to socialism.
Karl Marx

As with the Christian religion, the worst advertisement for Socialism is its adherents.
George Orwell

To cure the British disease with socialism was like trying to cure leukaemia with leeches.
Margaret Thatcher

Democracy and socialism have nothing in common but one word, equality. But notice the difference: while democracy seeks equality in liberty, socialism seeks equality in restraint and servitude.
Alexis de Tocqueville

When one makes a Revolution, one cannot mark time; one must always go forward – or go back. He who now talks about the “freedom of the press” goes backward, and halts our headlong course towards Socialism.
Vladimir Lenin

The goal of socialism is communism.
Vladimir Lenin

If Socialism can only be realized when the intellectual development of all the people permits it, then we shall not see Socialism for at least five hundred years.
Vladimir Lenin


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted February 26, 2010 @ 10:54 am

No, we need to stop the pork barrel spending and raise taxes back to the levels they were under Reagan.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted February 26, 2010 @ 11:02 am

I'd never send Obama a letter asking him to provide his long form BC because then you birfers would go away and you're all WAY too entertaining.


Bostwick666
Comment posted February 26, 2010 @ 11:03 am

You misunderstand me. I do actually believe he exists….his post is enough to convince me of that. What is fake is the anecdote about the professor of economics and the socialist marking scheme. If he's going to accuse others of not studying real history, he should at least not use fake history himself.

As for the idea that America is sliding into socialism, I fail to see how using tax payer money to prop up captialist monoliths such as auto makers and banks is in any way an anti capitalist act. Whatever we may think of using the tax payers money in this way, acts such as this have commonly been used in times of capitlaist crisis to ward off the idea of revolution and save capitalism at times of crisis.

Whilst I'm here I would take issue with the concept of Hitler as a socialist, despite the 'National Socialism' tag. What he did, was effectively put the German economy on a war footing from the time of his ascent to power in 1933. Hence most of the money came from the central Government (initially lent by such good capitalists as Henry Ford). If you study your history you'll notice that Roosevelt did pretty much the same thing when the US entered the war. You may also notice that the period of economic growth following WW2 was unmatched either before or since in globalised economic history. At the time there was much wailing and gnashing of teeth about the decent into socialism. Didn't happen then. Isn't happening now. Take a chill pill.


justanamerican
Comment posted February 26, 2010 @ 11:05 am

“Orly Taitz and how much amusement she bring us with her antics.”

Well they may be amusement to you, but not to her and many of us. You need to open you mind that there are other views out there, and that your view is not always correct. By opening your mind to others, instead of bashing others will find the true fact, and let the true facts dictate where an issue goes. As many of us that are conservatives realize that the problems in this nation are not problems of one side or the other. Many on the Conservative side are readily admiting that our goverment is corrupt and not representing the people. Both parties need to go. We need a MASSIVE HOUSE CLEANING in DC. If those of you on the left would open your eyes to this and quit defending those who have created the problems, this country could clean house and start solving those probelms. The first step in solving a problem is to recognize it exist. Once that happens a solution(s) can be found. No recognition leads to Doing The Same Things Over and Over and Expecting Different Results.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted February 26, 2010 @ 4:15 pm

Almost sounds like a communist take over to me. In other words, you would prefer a country that is close minded over one that is opinionated. I don’t believe I like your idea for America.


Misunderestimated
Comment posted February 26, 2010 @ 11:23 am

“Second, there was a woman who was in the hospital the same time his mom was there giving birth that told her story – I read it somewhere, I'll have to try to find it.”

It was the Buffalo News. It should be in their archives.

When Barack Hussein Obama places his hand on the Bible today to take the oath of office as 44th president of the United States, Barbara Nelson of Kenmore will undoubtedly think back to the day he was born. It was Aug. 4, 1961, at Kapi’olani Medical Center for Women & Children in Honolulu.??“I may be the only person left who specifically remembers his birth. His parents are gone, his grandmother is gone, the obstetrician who delivered him is gone,” said Nelson, referring to Dr. Rodney T. West, who died in February at the age of 98. Here’s the story: Nelson was having dinner at the Outrigger Canoe Club on Waikiki Beach with Dr. West, the father of her college friend, Jo-Anne. Making conversation, Nelson turned to Dr. West and said: “‘So, tell me something interesting that happened this week,’” she recalls.??His response: “Well, today, Stanley had a baby. Now that’s something to write home about.”??The new mother was Stanley (later referred to by her middle name of Ann) Dunham, and the baby was Barack Hussein Obama.??“I penned the name on a napkin, and I did write home about it,” said Nelson, knowing that her father, Stanley A. Czurles, director of the Art Education Department at Buffalo State College, would be interested in the “Stanley” connection.??She also remembers Dr. West mentioning that the baby’s father was the first black student at the University of Hawaii and how taken he was by the baby’s name.??“I remember Dr. West saying ‘Barack Hussein Obama, now that’s a musical name,’” said Nelson, who grew up in Kenmore and went to Hawaii in 1959 to be in Jo-Anne’s wedding party.


Misunderestimated
Comment posted February 26, 2010 @ 11:28 am

When Barack Hussein Obama places his hand on the Bible today to take the oath of office as 44th president of the United States, Barbara Nelson of Kenmore will undoubtedly think back to the day he was born. It was Aug. 4, 1961, at Kapi’olani Medical Center for Women & Children in Honolulu.??“I may be the only person left who specifically remembers his birth. His parents are gone, his grandmother is gone, the obstetrician who delivered him is gone,” said Nelson, referring to Dr. Rodney T. West, who died in February at the age of 98. Here’s the story: Nelson was having dinner at the Outrigger Canoe Club on Waikiki Beach with Dr. West, the father of her college friend, Jo-Anne. Making conversation, Nelson turned to Dr. West and said: “‘So, tell me something interesting that happened this week,’” she recalls.??His response: “Well, today, Stanley had a baby. Now that’s something to write home about.”??The new mother was Stanley (later referred to by her middle name of Ann) Dunham, and the baby was Barack Hussein Obama.??“I penned the name on a napkin, and I did write home about it,” said Nelson, knowing that her father, Stanley A. Czurles, director of the Art Education Department at Buffalo State College, would be interested in the “Stanley” connection.??She also remembers Dr. West mentioning that the baby’s father was the first black student at the University of Hawaii and how taken he was by the baby’s name.??“I remember Dr. West saying ‘Barack Hussein Obama, now that’s a musical name,’” said Nelson, who grew up in Kenmore and went to Hawaii in 1959 to be in Jo-Anne’s wedding party. 

The Baltimore News


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted February 26, 2010 @ 11:40 am

So much birfer B.S.

You post is filled with so much crap I had to call a plumber. You really aren't very bright for reposting SO MANY outright lies that have been debunked ad nauseam.

Here's an easy one even you might grasp.

“Barack may well have a U.S. passport now, but the fact that he traveled to Pakistan in the early 80's during a time when no U.S. citizents could do so, proves the stories about him having an Indonesian passport.”

Gee. The U.S. State Dept. says you're full of it.

NO. 81-33A

Travel Advisory
Passport Services/Bureau of Consular Affa[irs]
Department of State/Wahington. D.C. 205__

AUGUST 17, 1981

TRAVEL TO PAKISTAN

BEFORE TRAVELING TO PAKISTAN, AMERICAN CITIZENS SHOULD BE AWARE OF THE FOLLO[WING] UPDATED VISA REQUIREMENTS: 30 DAY VISAS ARE AVAILABLE AT PAKISTANI AIRPORTS [FOR] TOURISTS ONLY. AS THESE VISAS ARE RARELY EXTENDED BEYOND THE 30 DAY TIME PER[IOD,] TOURISTS PLANNING TO STAY LONGER SHOULD SECURE VISAS BEFORE COMING TO PAKIS[TAN.] ANY TRAVELER COMING INTO PAKISTAN OVERLAND FROM INDIA MUST REPEAT MUST HA[VE A] VALID VISA, AS 30 DAY VISAS ARE NOT REPEAT NOT ISSUED AT THE OVERLAND BOR[DER] CROSSING POINT AT WAGHA.

ANY NON-OFFICIAL AMERICAN WHO IS IN PAKISTAN FOR MORE THAN 30 DAYS MUST REGIS[TER] WITH THE GOVERNMENT’S FOREIGNER REGISTRATION OFFICE. EXIT PERMITS ARE REQUI[RED] FOR THOSE WHO HAVE STAYED LONGER THAN 30 DAYS BEFORE THEY ARE ALLOWED TO LE[AVE T]HE COUNTRY. ALL AMERICANS TRAVELING TO PAKISTAN ON OFFICIAL BUSINESS OR [FOR] PRIVATE EMPLOYMENT ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE A VISA BEFORE ARRIVAL, AND, AS [THE] GOVERNMENT OF PAKISTAN’S CLEARANCE PROCESS IS OFTEN QUITE LENGTHY, WE WOULD URGE TH[OSE] COMING TO APPLY AT THE NEAREST PAKISTANI EMBASSY OR CONSULATE AS FAR IN ADVA[NCE] OF THEIR SCHEDULED ARRIVAL AS POSSIBLE.

THIS SUPERSEDED REQUIREMENTS SET FORTH IN DEPARTMENT PUBLICATION M-264, ["VISA] REQUIREMENTS OF FOREIGN GOVERNMENTS.["]

EXPIRATION DATE: INDEFINITE.

Pathetic, paranoid, deranged and delusional idiots.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted February 26, 2010 @ 12:15 pm

Whoa! Did Joe Stack just rise from the dead?


justanamerican
Comment posted February 26, 2010 @ 12:58 pm

I hate to dispell some of your notions on what the highest tax rates under President Reagan were as compared to today, but he actually lowered the rates on the the highest wage earners, not raised them as some of you on here have said. When he took office the highest rate was 70%. and when he left office it was 28%. Since that time President Clinton raised the highest rate to 39.6%, and Presiodent Bush lowered it to the present rate of 35%.

“The Reagan Restoration”
Mr. Reagan's … agenda of tax cuts and deregulation ignited the boom that restored U.S. confidence. … [His] economic policies get less credit than they deserve because of the budget deficits and the 1982 recession.
Mr. Reagan's unique contribution was to stick to his economic program, and to support Federal Reserve Chairman Paul Volcker, in the face of enormous political pressure to turn tail on both. Growth resumed as he expected, and tax revenues actually increased faster than GDP from the low point in 1983 through 1989. As for the deficits, they did finally vanish once defense spending fell after the Cold War ended and a GOP Congress slowed the growth in other spending for at least a couple of years in the mid-1990s.
In the broader historical sweep, the Reagan tax cuts saved America from following Western Europe into welfare-state decline. In addition to igniting growth, his tax cuts put a brake on the expansion of government that had seemed unstoppable.
When Mr. Reagan took office, the top marginal U.S. tax rate was 70%. When he left the top rate was 28%; it is now 35%, and even John Kerry has conceded with his proposal to cut some corporate taxes that the marginal rate of tax matters. Today Americans may disagree about what tax cuts are needed, how deep they should go, and what they ought to target. But the debate itself reflects Mr. Reagan's central premise: that people respond to incentives, and that high taxes interfere with natural human creativity and drive.
—The Wall Street Journal, June 7, 2004


ellid
Comment posted February 26, 2010 @ 2:01 pm

And those self-same tax cuts made the rich richer, the poor poorer, and led to the highest deficits until George W. Bush decided to cut taxes, invade a country that had not attacked us, and let Wall Street run amok. Fun times.


ellid
Comment posted February 26, 2010 @ 2:04 pm

*yawn*

Go back to the Birch Society meeting, old sport. None of this has anything to do with Orly Taitz trying to undermine America, or the President's attempt to prevent 45,000 unnecessary deaths a year.


ellid
Comment posted February 26, 2010 @ 2:06 pm

Also, your crib of Jonah Goldberg about the Nazis and the Communists being similar is a joke. Go read William Shirer and then tell me how close the two political systems (and countries) were until Hitler decided to be buddy-buddies long enough to invade France and the Low Countries.

Idiot.


ellid
Comment posted February 26, 2010 @ 2:15 pm

I'm a registered Democrat and have been since the Republican Party of my ancestors was taken over by religious fanatics, liars, and people who believed in soaking the poor at the expense of the rich.

As for you, the USSR fell almost twenty years ago, which means that you're pushing 70 or thereabouts if you lived for “fifty years under Communism.” Aren't you ashamed of yourself, perving over a woman young enough to be daughter?


Anonymous
Comment posted February 26, 2010 @ 7:20 pm

He also seems to be awfully spry for someone born in the late 1930s/early 1940s; that means he survived WWII, the Cold War, glasnost, and Boris Yeltsin before deciding to become a capitalist and then sneering at American democracy.


justanamerican
Comment posted February 26, 2010 @ 2:21 pm

This was posted for no other reason than to show that some earlier posting has incorrect information about the tax rates. This reason was spelled out clearly, and the article was simply to verify the information. If some of you on the left would stop attaching everything and look at the data, and do real research instead of repeating the same worn out crap, this nation may have a chance of to solve problems


Anonymous
Comment posted February 26, 2010 @ 7:22 pm

I wonder if old Constantine is related to Orly Taitz or Naturalizedcitizen? That story about seeing America becoming a socialist/communist/fascist/somethingorother dictatorship because s/he/it had lived in an evil totalitarian regime sounds suspiciously familiar.


Anonymous
Comment posted February 26, 2010 @ 7:27 pm

Pferdemist.


Anonymous
Comment posted February 26, 2010 @ 7:29 pm

Actually, I would like very much to live in a European country. Maybe I’d have less spending money but at least I wouldn’t have to worry about going bankrupt if I got sick, or about losing my house if I lost my job, or about living out of garbage cans when I get old. The lack of lunatic fringe Christians like Sarah Palin is a definite plus, too.


Anonymous
Comment posted February 26, 2010 @ 7:31 pm

The idea of right-wing loons like you and your buddies coming anywhere near the Constitution is enough to make me move to Canada.


Anonymous
Comment posted February 26, 2010 @ 7:37 pm

How interesting, that you’re blaming the average poilu for the mistakes of General Weygand. What a strange view of the world.


justanamerican
Comment posted February 26, 2010 @ 2:37 pm

I am not a member of the John Birch Society, and even if was your comment is irrelavent and none of your business. For your infomation the Healthcare Bill (Scam) has crashed and burned. Even some of your own party are speaking out the it does not have a chance in hell of passing. It is a bad piece of legislation and the American people are rejecting it in large numbers. Your comment that 45,000 deaths a year because people do not have health insurance cannot be proved. Many of that or any other such number may die rather they have health insurance or not. We need reform, but not a massive intrusive piece of legislation like this that will do more harm in the long run, raise cost and taxes, and put the government in contol of peoples lives. For proof just look at the SS system and Medicare and Medicaid systems. Anyting that the government trys o put in place and run like this ends up being a disaster that costs much more than projected, and has massive problems. The Medicare system costs tens of times more than the projections that I remember (Yes thats Remember, not read online some where). I have seen many things that government has tried over the last 50 years (many areas that they constitutionlly should not be in in the first place) that are massive failures. Both parties have contributed to this, and both parties need Massive House Cleaning come this fall. Our govern ment need to be put on massive financil weight loss program, before they bankrupt this nation, if they have not aleady done so.


Anonymous
Comment posted February 26, 2010 @ 7:38 pm

Ditto the evil, socialistic roads, and the foul jack-booted police.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted February 26, 2010 @ 2:38 pm

Perhaps you should also do real research.


Anonymous
Comment posted February 26, 2010 @ 7:39 pm

You are cordially invited to eat shit and die, you ill-educated woodlouse.


election 2010
Comment posted February 26, 2010 @ 7:44 pm

your comment shows that you have NO clue about what’s going on in Europe. You are a dreamer! You have a lot of out of pocket payments if you’re sick (the health care system is bankrupt), you’ll lose your house if you lose your job and are not able to pay the mortgage, etc. – but if people like you think, it’s better in Europe, go ahead and immigrate to an European country. I’m sure, there are a lot of people in Europe, who are ready for an exchange, because they love the real America: Socialism-fans go to Europa and people who like freedom and self-responsibility to America. It could be so easy.


election 2010
Comment posted February 26, 2010 @ 7:53 pm

OH no! I was not responsible for the mess in Europe (actually I opposed what’s going on in Europe – in the same way as I oppose this agenda here in the USA). The comment that I made the experience was meant in the way, that I experienced it firsthand by living in such a society and political situation, that I experienced all this from the beginning and that’s the reason why I can tell you, we are heading in the wrong direction.


justanamerican
Comment posted February 26, 2010 @ 2:58 pm

Well so what were the tax rates thru all those years. Let hear it if you have different info. Please document where you found it. I lived thu all these periods of time going back to 1950, so I know what they were back then, not from some internet research. At one time, the upper tax rate was 90%, I do not right off know the year that that was change, but I can certainly find out.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted February 26, 2010 @ 8:00 pm

This reply of Constlva’s is so much like Orly. So superior. I guess former Soviets are just Superior. So Superior that when Orly receives a return email from some network asking her to remove them from her email list that she asks her supporters to “report this station to the FCC because they don’t want to know the truth”. And I truly believe she thinks that the FCC will take away their license to broadcast just on her say so.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted February 26, 2010 @ 8:09 pm

Yep. No evil, socialistic highways, public schools, minted money, power grid, food, toy or any consumer product protection, pandemic disease control, military, storm warnings, higher courts, national parks, restrictions on commerce and securities trading, immigration enforcement and on and on and on.


ConstIva
Comment posted February 26, 2010 @ 3:10 pm

I have no clue what you call “fake historical anecdote.” If it refers to an alledged college test, then,
firstly, it was not me who brought it here;
secondly, as I already said, if it had occured, it would only support the author's main point regarding the failure nature of Socialism.
But if you call my 50-year-long living under Soviet Commies “a fake historical anecdote”, then I only can say that you are a liberast bastard. If you didn't mention that, I am sorry for calling you “names” one would otherwise deserve.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted February 26, 2010 @ 3:12 pm

I'm not referring to tax rates. I'm referring to your utter ignorance in posts regarding Barack Obama's legitimacy as president.


youmustbejoking
Comment posted February 26, 2010 @ 3:16 pm

I think today is the deadline day for her to turn in any paperwork or evidence to the California Bar in reference to her upcoming hearing before them. I think it became evident that the DC Courts weren't playing her game so she filed the UN thing to try to keep the California Bar from taking any action against her. It is all really quite entertaining. I wonder just what she thinks the UN can do for her in this country? It isn't like they have any authority here, they can't bring in any armed people to guard her without the permission of the U.S. (I'd like to see them try!) The only thing they could do is take her out of the country and stash her someplace. That would be an excellent idea! It would solve a big problem. She wouldn't have access to our courts to continue wasting taxpayer time and money!


Anonymous
Comment posted February 26, 2010 @ 8:46 pm

To both NOT_AXJ and ellid:
1. You both are deadly boring: yu have nothing to say to the point; instead, you are trying to hurt me presonally. Unsuccessfully. As everything what liberasts do.
By the way, I never start personal attacks, only if and when I am offended. But then I bet I can verbally hurt you a lot more than you could even imagine with your impaired development: I have taken a very good school of fighting against Commies.

2. Really smart people, I emphasize – REALLY, not those who pretend, like Socrates, for instance, acknowlege the limits of their knowledge.
Socrates said (in Greek, of course. sorry, this server seemingly doesn’t accept Greek letters): Scio me nihil scire or scio me nescire
But just in a case, here is the original language: ?? ???? ??? ????? ????.

But those smarties and “intellectuals,” who are creating that stinky Socialistic atmospheree here, in the United States, are always pretend that they know everything and better, while common Americans are dummy.
It seems you both are doing here the same.
It resembles the USSR: in the USSR, the foes of Socialism/Communism were called “idiots,” just like you do.
The only difference, so far, is that in the USSR the foes of Socialism/Communism were either imprisoned or put in madhouses.
Good luck, smarties, you bored me to death.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted February 26, 2010 @ 3:51 pm

And it's a really bad game of chess. Once the birfers inevitably lose their Queen, checkmate will quickly follow.


Anonymous
Comment posted February 26, 2010 @ 9:34 pm

If you really “do not defend communism or any other form of totalitarianism,” I only can shake your hand.
You’re right that the USA “is not a socialist country”…. YET.
If your question whether I am aware of American elections and the next one is serious, you insult me. I didn’t insult you….so far, as I remember.
But let me ask you the same: are you aware that the leaders of the USSR were also “elected”?
Moreover, Hitler was also elected completely democratically. By the way, if I am not mistaklen, Hitler also received more votes than anybody else in German history.
Not to mention that Soviet leaders always got 99.9% (the remaining “0.01%” was always specially arranged for Western corresondents)

Gaza strip has democratically elected HAMAS.
And so forth.

The problem in the USA now is that the “fundamental transformation of the United States of America” publicly proclaimed by Obama is being committed so fast that before the next election 2012 America will not recognize itself.
The main problem is that there are still many Americans who don’t realize that yet.

No, I do not believe that “any form of government that results in some redistribution of wealth is “socialist.”"
All governments have and suppose to fulfill certain obligations to the entire society, and therefore should take certain taxes to secure their fulfillent. It’s already a kind of “redistribution of wealth,” automatically. And it still doesn’t have anything to do with Socialism.
The problem starts when a government wants and assumes a lot more power (and any government always wants more power, it’s in its nature) than is needed for providing those fundamental services to the whole society.
It’s like the “Social Contract” by Jean-Jacques Rousseau.

The border between the needed services and self-imposed services is exactly what determines whether a country is Socialist or not.

This particular government, ideologically led by Cloward-Piven and Alinsky (and Chomsky, for this matter) and intentionally surrounded by proclaimed or hidden Commies (like Van Jones, Valerie Jarrett, etc), is the one that wants to remove that crucial border.
And I with my life experience smell it like a dog at a custom-house.

It is extremely important to understand that no matter how attractive Socialism might look for a certain part of a society, it is doomed to eventually fail. The reason being pure economical.
When Chinese finally understood that, they immediately changed the economical system to the capitalist one and left only the political “superstructure” (as Marxists call it) untouched.
But despite the economical progress, Chinese people are still extremely poor RIGHT BECAUSE of the Socialist superstructure. Even Hong Cong, after the surrender to the mainland China, is now declining.

Anyway, thank you for not using personal attacks and derogatory words, like the other two “opponents”


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted February 26, 2010 @ 4:50 pm

But you'd like to be a member of the John Birch Society. It's alright to admit it.


Anonymous
Comment posted February 26, 2010 @ 9:55 pm

The difference between the United States and the Soviet Union or Nazi Germany is precisely in the discussion we are having now — and the questions our nation has faced for 225 years: how much government do we want (and how much do we want to pay for it), what should be the balance between federal, state and local government, how do we ensure that government does not encroach on our individual liberties.

Yes, I know the Soviet Union held “elections.” But the Country lacked what this nation has: (1) a 225-year history of Constitutional democracy and multi-party elections; (2) an independent federal judiciary; and (3) a military that is under the control of democratically elected civilian officials. In my view, we are in no danger of one party control. Given your personal history, I understand your concern. But I don’t think we are becoming socialist any more than we were becoming “fascist” under Bush and Cheney. If you think I am naive, you are entitled to that opinion. And we each get our vote.

One historical correction: Hitler was not elected. He was appointed Chancellor by von Hindenburg on January 30, 1933; von Hindenburg was concerned about a split in the national parliament between Nazis and Communists (now there is a terrible choice). He never stood for election as Chancellor, and in fact quickly consolidated his absolute power. At the time he was appointed, Germany’s history as a democratic republic went back all of 15 years.


Anonymous
Comment posted February 26, 2010 @ 10:30 pm

I assume that your father-in-law fought either in the WWII or the Korean war or the Vietnam war. The two last wars were against Communism, right?
So, how can I offend people who fought against the same thing as I do?
Something is definitely wrong with your logic.
I’ll tell you what namely.
When your father-in-law was serving to the country, he served to the Capitalist country, when Socialism was not recognized by commpon people in the USA yet: the danger of Socialism was perceived yet as just an “imaginary.”
Thus, being a Democrat that time, when the “hippy revolution” did not occur yet, had mostly nothing to do with Socialism and therefore says nothing bad
about the party members.

But even vets are not the same.
I would, for instance, never vote for such vets as Kerry or the late Murtha.
But I did vote for McCain even I am not bid fan of him, to say softly.

I hope your father-in-law would say strong “NO” to Socialism in America now because now is the time when that danger of Socialism has raised before us.

You say: “Providing health insurance that is affordable to all isn’t socialism and it is something that this country desperatly needs.”
It sounds really noble.
But just sounds. As everything related to Socialism.
Firstly, ask yourself who you call “all” – American citizens? Or illegal immigrants?
Then aks yourself: who are those 30 (now they sometimes say even 40+) Million of people that Obama wants to cover by his health reform.
Then read 2400+ pages Health Care Reform Plan (available in .pdf format online) and ask yourself: does Obama together with his Congress accomplices insist on that monstrous plan bankrupting America for teh sake of health of American citizens or for teh sake of gathering additional electorate, in other words – to strengthen the power of the government?
Just be as smart and honest as you possibly can be when answering the question.
The very fact that you were born in America does not make you automatically an opponent to Socialism. Unfortunately.

But I did not insult neither your father-in-law nor anybody else who rejects establishing Socialism in the United States of America: I did not leave the USSR to find Socialism here. It would be my worst nightmare.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted February 26, 2010 @ 5:49 pm

OC Weekly just posted a blog that they contacted the California Bar, knowing they wouldn't get an answer, but the woman they spoke to began to chuckle as soon as she heard they were calling from Orange County.

There's nothing Orly can do to save her butt. I'd be surprised if they don't disbar her but I suppose it's possible. This asking the UN for help is her just grasping for straws. She's like a person drowning. Just trying to keep her head above water and waiting to take that last gasp of breath.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted February 26, 2010 @ 5:50 pm

I don't think it will be the end of birthers. It's like in the articles that Dave writes about Orly. Just when you start weeding them out – AXJ_ROCK, Naturalized Citizen, etc. – others pop up their vile heads.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted February 26, 2010 @ 11:16 pm

Thank you for the compliment. I appreciate it.


justanamerican
Comment posted February 26, 2010 @ 6:41 pm

What I would or would not like is none of your business, and of no issue to this dicussion, anymore than what you would like or not like to do. And as you stated above what does what I like or not like have to do with Obama's eligiblity. It seems that bringing up other areas are fine for those of your on your side, but not for anyone that you disagree with. And since you keep forcing the that issue, I do not feel he is legally eligible to be president, if that will satisfy you.


justanamerican
Comment posted February 26, 2010 @ 6:48 pm

First of all what does Joe Stack have to do with Birthers??? Secondly if you research further, It is apparent that he was not a conservative, because many of the views he expressed were socialist Marxist views. There is nothing that ties him to the Tea Party Paatroit movement. Also the Tea Party movement has both Dems and Repubs and people from across the spectrum, that are simply fed up with DC (both parties) and Obama and his View of Change


justanamerican
Comment posted February 27, 2010 @ 12:14 am

Maybe both of you should open your ears and minds (and shut your mouth for a while) and listen to someone that has seen the hell of the communist socialists regimes in the old USSR. I know this man and he is a very intellegent and knowlegble on things because of his experiences that we can all learn from. Only closed minded moron know it alls respond this way to people. Stop acting like complete A$$es and show sum respect. I have personally lived thru 12 president. Some were complete incompetants, and some were good presidents, but what I have found out by putting aside your bias is that you can research things and find out new things that you didn’t know, that just might change your view point. There are some people on both sides of the political spectrim that I have completly different opinions of now (both good and bad), then I once had, because I now research with the attitude of finding the TRUTH, not substanciating a preset nowshown. I am a conservative (not a republican), as that party no longer represents my views. With that said, my research shows now that 2 Democratic presidents I feel were much better presidents than I once though. They are Harry Truman and John Kennedy. The other one in my to 3 is Ronald Regan.
I have not use for LBJ, not much use for Nixon, Ford was a nothing, Carter was a disaster, Clinton was weak, My impression of both Bushs good until I found our just how much that they and many others that I just listed as not good are part of the New One World Order gang. Obama is the worst most dangerous president in my life time.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted February 26, 2010 @ 7:21 pm

Well, I'll refresh your memory by quoting one of your posts in reply to one of mind further on down.

Well they may be amusement to you, but not to her and many of us. You need to open you mind that there are other views out there, and that your view is not always correct. By opening your mind to others, instead of bashing others will find the true fact, and let the true facts dictate where an issue goes. As many of us that are conservatives realize that the problems in this nation are not problems of one side or the other. Many on the Conservative side are readily admiting that our goverment is corrupt and not representing the people. Both parties need to go. We need a MASSIVE HOUSE CLEANING in DC. If those of you on the left would open your eyes to this and quit defending those who have created the problems, this country could clean house and start solving those probelms. The first step in solving a problem is to recognize it exist. Once that happens a solution(s) can be found. No recognition leads to Doing The Same Things Over and Over and Expecting Different Results.

To me, that statement is the same as the last sentence in this last post. It would seem to me that you already have written that you don't think that Obama is eligible so there was no need for restating it.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted February 26, 2010 @ 7:26 pm

Doing The Same Things Over and Over and Expecting Different Results.

The last sentence was towards the end of Joe Stacks suicide note. And Joe was a Tea Party member.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted February 27, 2010 @ 12:29 am

I’m opting for a socialist country. Why would I want to listen to him or you?


justanamerican
Comment posted February 26, 2010 @ 7:40 pm

Then you are saying that we need to have the top tax rates raised to the 70% or higher?? In this economy those kind of rates will kill off any encentive that is left for business and industry to expand if they could, and start producing jobs. All economic productivity comes from the private sector. The public sector on only feeds off of and uses that productivity, as they produce nothing. Raising taxes contacts they economy, lowering taxes expands the economy. That is simply the way it works and no one can change that any more than you can change gravity. Back in 1962, I remember (not looked it up online or in a book) President Kennedy lowered taxes and that was a very short recession as compared to what it coould have been. Obama's and congesses spending is out of control. They/he are making a bad situation worse. Now some of them want to raise the tax rates which will kill what is left of the economy. It will only put more money in the government coffers, and will not create any jobs.
One thing you are right that we need to stop the pork barrell spending, but it must go much much further. We illiminate a lot of agencies, and cut the budgets in alot more of them.
One of the biggest things that needs to be illiminated is the Illegal Federal Reserve and with it the action arm the IRS


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted February 26, 2010 @ 7:47 pm

No, of course not. I just didn't make my comment as sarcastic and hyperbolic as I intended!


justanamerican
Comment posted February 27, 2010 @ 12:49 am

Do you really think that everyone who responds to you, that you dont’t like the response, is the same person with different names?? You couldn’t be be further from the truth, because i know personally that there are many different conservatives posting on this thread. They are differnt people, not just different screen names as you infer. And even if it was just one or two people, if you responded to the ideas, it would not really matter. This is supposed to be about sharing ideas, not about what someones personal life is about.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted February 26, 2010 @ 7:50 pm

The tax system we have isn't fair and I'll agree with that – especially for those with lower incomes – say anything below $100K a year if you're single. If anything, I'd be more in favor of a national federal sales tax to where you're taxed on consumption rather than income. But in the immediate future, I would not be opposed to paying a higher tax of 70%.


Jim
Comment posted February 26, 2010 @ 8:09 pm

Well, I took the opportunity to read through the latest posts by our anti-Obama community here and one thing struck me. A lot of their arguments about us becoming a socialist or communist or whatever their latest flavor society struck me as a lot like McCarthyism. Does anyone else see the comparison? Or am I just reading too much into their desire to take everything to the most extreme level in order to try to scare the reader instead of inform?


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted February 26, 2010 @ 8:57 pm

They certainly seem to be aligned with Orly though they don't directly challenge Obama's citizenship as other birthtards have. I don't buy into what they say, though I don't know exactly where all are from. This country is not going to be come socialist. It takes a level head to understand that and what Obama walked into was a mess and required drastic measures.

My younger sister lives with a guy that is from Germany and he reminds me a lot of these immigrants. A know it all. He's a lot younger than I am and I just let his lectures go through one ear and out the other. One thing he does like about when he lived in Germany was their health care. In fact, he recently took a trip back over just for that purpose alone.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted February 26, 2010 @ 9:07 pm

When I read this again, it reminds me of my father lecturing me when I was a teenager. Maybe some of the people that post in the comments here are younger but don't count on it. I'm an old fart. In my younger days, I was a conservative and a big Reagan supporter. Over the years, I've matured and realized that I was wrong. Now, I'm like my dad.


Anonymous
Comment posted February 27, 2010 @ 2:09 am

You evidently forget what you have written. Your comment was that “Libs are always cowards” and I took exception to that as stated. I am well aware of what my father in-law, my father, my brother, my uncles, my grandfathers were all fighting for and against whom they fought. That is not the point. The point is that you called them cowards and let me tell you they were not cowards. I can tell you I am a liberal too and I am not a coward. I have stood, all 125 lbs of me, toe to toe, unarmed, against armed drug dealers and told them to get the hell out of my neighborhood. I won. I have taken down wild game for food, like elk and I can make a gelding out of a stud. I am still a liberal and I’m no coward. I would still take up arms to defend my country to the best of my ability. Or defend my home and family.

And let me tell you, in this country, there will never be a Hitler, there will never be a Stalin, there will never be what you claim to have fought against. And I will tell you why. Because we are Americans and we will not allow it to happen. We have a much different system here and we have people from both sides of the aisle that will never allow that to happen. What we are going for now is not the socialism you claim you know, nor what Oily claims. And I know what we Americans are made of. Perhaps you don’t understand that seeing that you aren’t one from birth.


Jim
Comment posted February 26, 2010 @ 9:18 pm

I think they realize that they haven't a leg to stand on when it comes to Obama's eligibility. Now they're just trying to make him into the worst people in history they can think of. But what truly shows their total misunderstanding of our country is their total lack of realization that every 2 years the voters can quickly change that direction at the ballot box. And we have many times in our illustrious history.


truepatriotfreethinker
Comment posted February 26, 2010 @ 11:04 pm

I love how you nimrods keep bringing up the same old tired crap. It's almost laughable to see your reasoning power at work. No wonder every other country in the world considers the United States as a bygone era.

The “War on Terrorism” was a blanket war covering every place/country/state who sponsored terrorism waged against the United States and its immediate allies. After the Gulf War ended in a “Ceasefire” agreement, the U.N. took up the duties where the United States left off. During the Clinton administration, “Hussein” (don't confuse him with YOUR president) bucked ~(-16-)~ U.N. resolutions which required them to adhere to the terms of the “Ceasefire” agreement allowing inspections of weapons sites and possible illegal WMD manufacturing sites. After the election of President George W. Bush, Hussein (don't confuse him with YOUR president) didn't attempt to buck the U.N. inspections, but after 9/11 he got a little too cocky thinking we were too bogged down in Afghanistan. Hussein (don't confuse him with YOUR president) then broke the ~(-17th-)~ and final U.N. resolution. You people should be up on this so I wouldn't have to be explaining it to you since you are all all about the U.N. and one world centralized socialist government. Anyways, as I was saying, Hussein (don't get him confused with “YOUR” president) must've raped another helpless teenage muslim bot and again got a little too cocky so he broke the ~(-17th-)~ U.N. resolution and thankfully we had a President at the time who didn't “BOW DOWN LOW” to muslim dictators, instead HE encouraged the war's CONTINUANCE. Under the “CEASEFIRE” agreement, we had every right to continue where we left off previously, kicking their asses. Also, Hussein (don't get him confused with “YOUR” president) was a sponsor of terrorism. He openly advertized that if anyone died in a Jihad, their family would be paid well and taken care of by him.

And if you're talking about Afghanistan as if they had not attacked us, well you're partially right. But Afghanistan was the staging point for the 9/11 attacks and was where Al Quida and the key players were hiding and supported by the Taliban, who were in control of that country.

Man it's so easy making you pukes look stupid. Every time you type a word seems to prove that point well. You need to take those NAZI flags and Soviet paraphenalia down off your walls. I don't know how your parents could allow you to hang up that crap on the walls while you're living in their basements? They need to smack you, and I really mean smack some sense into your little pea brains.

About the taxes. Did you know that you can pay more taxes if it is your wish to do so? They allow you to do that you know. Claim single-zero and tell them they are doing a wonderful job and to keep the change. Why don't you little woodpeckers get off the computers sometime and start a business. See for yourself how the world works. Mom and Dad need to at least make you pay part of the electric bill.

As far as the deficits. You must not remember 9/11, Katrina and several other natural disasters in America, the tsunami (where your friend Colon Powell gave out $330billion in U.S. aid), also the two-front world war on terrorism. After 9/11 it was lucky our economy held together as well as it did, but we were hanging on by just a slim thread. Then the democ~RATS took the house and senate and spending really took off. I'm not saying that George Bush was perfect. He was probably closer to being on your side than a real conservative, but at least he was a sight better than either of the idiots the idiot democ~RATS put up for election in '00 and '04, that's for sure! (Mr. Global Warming/I invented the internet-idiot ~and~ the Walking Dead zombie guy/traitor. But at least Bush was born in America and has a birth certificate to prove it!


youmustbejoking
Comment posted February 26, 2010 @ 11:13 pm

They have the same purpose as McCarthy did. Trying to tarnish people, or in this case, our president, with baseless and unfounded BS, not only about his eligibility but about his loyalty and his intent. I guess for these people who don't come from here are incapable of understanding that we Americans would never allow to happen what happened in their countries, if we were in danger of that. We do not have a socialist in office and he isn't trying to create a socialist nation. I guess it is easier to try to spread fear than it is accept Obama being in office.


truepatriotfreethinker
Comment posted February 27, 2010 @ 12:53 am

OK Barack, calm down and just produce your birth certificate to make them mean ole' nasty conservatives go away. We would hate for you to throw a hissy and spill the beans about your executed gay lover Donald Young and male prostitute 'friend' Larry Sinclair. That's why you want the GM auto company HUMMER to go out of business. It reminds you of the 'Before Times'.


katahdin
Comment posted February 27, 2010 @ 11:21 am

Medicare is a popular program that runs with a 2% yearly overhead. Private health insurance companies are hated and have an overhead of 33% and counting.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted February 27, 2010 @ 11:32 am

What an odd reply. To assert that I was not calm in my response shows how idiotic you really are.

Since you bring up the gay part, I'm going to believe that you're a gay. Probably like to hang out at road side rests and solicit sex in bathroom stalls. Are your knees sore and jaws aching?

BTW. Barack Obama is YOUR president, too.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted February 27, 2010 @ 11:38 am

There, there, truepatriotidiot. Make sure to take your dose of thorazine on the schedule your psychiatrist gave you and you'll start feeling a lot better.


Jim
Comment posted February 27, 2010 @ 11:56 am

TPFT: “That's why you want the GM auto company HUMMER to go out of business. It reminds you of the 'Before Times'.”

So, you're saying that the doubling of gas prices has nothing to do with it? Are you really that shallow? You really do have no understanding how our society works, do you?


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted February 27, 2010 @ 2:32 pm

So, you're a pretending, frightened homophobe who places more credence in the lies of an admitted perjurer and criminal than you would the highest ranking, legal (Republican) authorities of the state of Hawaii. You truly are a despicable, pathetic loser. Larry boasted to a horrified room of press that he wore a kilt because of his enormous physical endowment. I'll bet that excites you every time you fantasize about it too. You and Larry still have a chance. Try to make it work.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted February 27, 2010 @ 3:30 pm

“You must not remember 9/11, Katrina and several other natural disasters in America, the tsunami (where your friend Colon Powell gave out $330billion in U.S. aid), also the two-front world war on terrorism. “

Just a few points. There's a good possibility that 9/11 could have been prevented. Quote Condoliza Rice “I don't think anybody could have predicted that these people would take an airplane and slam it into the World Trade Center.” – Amazing considering there were steps taken during an earlier summit attended by Bush to make sure no airplanes would be used to attack.

Katrina. I'm unsure that is really a point to be brought up in defense of Bush. Sure, it cost tax payers but the response failed miserably.

The Iraq war was not a necessary war. Rather than send our troops to Afghanistan to fight the real threat, billions were spent in Iraq with much of it wasted on contracters like Haliburton. But I'm sure that Dick Cheney appreciated it.

If you want to blame someone for the democ-RATS, then blame the voters. It's apparent we got tired of Bush's incompetency. Had the voters believed they were bad for the nation, I doubt that they would be in power right now. And if you don't like it and there are enough like minded voters, you can change the environment in 2010.

BTW. If you think that you're going to be able to change the political environment by voting in people who you believe will adhere to your 'constitutional and conservative' values, good luck. History shows us that these people become just as corrupt as any other politician. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.


Jim
Comment posted February 27, 2010 @ 3:46 pm

NOT_AXJ: “BTW. If you think that you're going to be able to change the political environment by voting in people who you believe will adhere to your 'constitutional and conservative' values, good luck.”

I'm always struck by the folks who complain the loudest. Back when they tried to impeach Clinton, how many pubs had to resign because of their own indiscretions? I remember one of them was a Representative from Mississippi who was in line for a leadership position. So, whenever I'm looking at candidates I try to follow the axiom “He who yells the loudest has the most to hide.” Seems to work in evaluating the blowers and their leader Orly too.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted February 27, 2010 @ 4:40 pm

“Why don't you little woodpeckers get off the computers sometime and start a business.”

Well, well. Aren't you the perfect pompous, assumptive, illiterate asshole?

“I'm not saying that George Bush was perfect.”

Brilliant. Who's the nimrod?

“After the election of President George W. Bush, Hussein (don't confuse him with YOUR president) . . .”

That's what I thought. Your'e an old, lonely bigot and troll. How sad and utterly pathetic. Will you die soon?


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted February 27, 2010 @ 6:34 pm

I didn't pick up on that line about starting a business. Interesting how someone like this thinks. Since I've been in business for myself since 1984 and know what it's like to pay taxes for my business, matching payroll taxes for employees and myself in addition to providing employees with health care – I think I'm more qualified than many to determine if this presidents policies will help or hurt me. I opt for helping me. In fact, I'm fairly sure I work more hours per week than truepatriotidiot who probably flips burgers for McDonalds.

As far as 'dad and mom' paying my electric bill, I'd have to dig them up since both are dead – my mother in 1987 and my dad in 2005. It is interesint that true brings that point into the post. More than likely he relies on mommy and daddy to constantly bail him out and pay his bills. More than likely, he lives from paycheck to paycheck and can barely pay the rent that mom and dad charge him for living in their garage.


saint mars
Comment posted February 27, 2010 @ 7:09 pm

Someone is being hoaxed here, and I'm not sure whether it's all of us, or if it's Orly. The http://www.brimstoneand company.com site is fascinating. One does wonder about a legal site which advertises itself as having head offices in DC and Nigeria.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted February 27, 2010 @ 7:13 pm

Hmmmm . . . I wonder if Oily Taintz has even the slightest clue?

No, I don't.


justanamerican
Comment posted February 27, 2010 @ 8:46 pm

“Will you die soon?”

Are you making threats to people. The authorities may be interested to hear about this


justanamerican
Comment posted February 27, 2010 @ 8:50 pm

An he just like me, are business owners. I have been a business owner since 1972, I too understand much, and What this governement is doing is not in the best interest for anyone in this nation.


justanamerican
Comment posted February 27, 2010 @ 8:53 pm

And Career Politicians the problem in DC, regardless of the party. They are need to voted out.


justanamerican
Comment posted February 28, 2010 @ 2:04 am

“Actually, I would like very much to live in a European country.”

So Leave, No one is stopping you!!!!!!!!!!


justanamerican
Comment posted February 28, 2010 @ 2:08 am

So move to Canada, no one is stopping you!!!!!!


ellid
Comment posted February 27, 2010 @ 10:56 pm

Who is this “Colon Powell” person? He sounds like a laxative salesman. The former Secretary of State was COLIN Powell.

*pops corn and watches little multi-named troll masturbate furiously to montage of George W. Bush speeches where he mispronounces “nuclear”*


ellid
Comment posted February 27, 2010 @ 10:59 pm

Healthcare that doesn't discriminate on the basis of pre-existing conditions most certainly would benefit me, since I'd be able to get insurance despite having a medical condition with no risk factors and no know etiology.


ellid
Comment posted February 27, 2010 @ 11:02 pm

1. He already produced his birth certificate.

2. The President isn't gay. Even if he were, so what?

3. Larry Sinclair is a convicted felon who's flunked several lie detector tests.

4. Hummer went out of business because no one could afford their ugly, gas guzzling heaps of junk.

5. You really should stop posting when drunk.


Anonymous
Comment posted February 28, 2010 @ 4:06 am

If you and your xenophobic ilk take over, I might have to.


Anonymous
Comment posted February 28, 2010 @ 4:07 am

Given how a cluster of people who write similarly incoherent posts and comment approvingly on each other’s work show up all at the same time, I’d be stupid not to consider this a possibility.


truepatriotfreethinker
Comment posted February 27, 2010 @ 11:16 pm

You wrote; “Katrina. I'm unsure that is really a point to be brought up in defense of Bush. Sure, it cost tax payers but the response failed miserably.”

The whole point of what I was talking about was THE COST!
If you want to dredge up who was ultimately culpable for the failure of the system, that is a settled issue except from dim-wit nimrod democ~RATS.
Bush tried to send in federal help from FEMA but it was denied by MR.Chocolate City Democ~RAT Ray Nagan and the democ~RAT governor of Louisiana Mrs. Blanco. The system worked well in the hardest hit areas in Mississippi and even in Alabama. The governors of those states allowed FEMA to come in to help. They were denied entry into Louisiana. Google it. You people (and I use that term loosely) have alot to learn. Stay off sites like Daily KOS, watch real news besides CNN & MSNBC. You might be able to think for yourselves.

You wrote; “…then blame the voters. It's apparent we got tired of Bush's incompetency.”
Bush wasn't running for election again in 2008. He had already won and served for 2 consecutive terms. McCain was running unfortunately! But he was your kind of politician….liberal as a loon. But not to the extent as the current occupier of the whitehouse.

You wrote; “The Iraq war was not a necessary war. Rather than send our troops to Afghanistan to fight the real threat,….”

How many times are we allowed to warn someone, whose butt we already kicked in a previous war, to abide by the terms of the “Ceasefire” agreement? Give me a good round number. He was already warned ~(-17-)~ *SEVENTEEN* XVII times. He was trying to make a nuclear bomb, or at the very least he already had the capability to make a dirty bomb(radioactive element dispersal bomb). He already made that point well known. He thought that it would give him a better bargaining chip and would acredit him as another world power. Remember, before the gulf war he had the 4th largest military in the world. How many times do you tell a child “NO” before you have to spank them? WWII could have been prevented had WE made Germany and Hitler abide by the “Treaty of Versailles” and the agreement that ended WWI. Compare what went on then with what was going on with Hussein (not to be confused with your president). Think about that…We had the ability and the legal right to stop Adolph Hitler before he got to be too big to stop. Now think about this….We Stopped Hussein (not to be confused with your president) BEFORE he regained the ability to be unstopable. And before you say it, WE DID FIND WMD MATERIALS! We found 'Yellow-Cake Uranium” which was found to originate from “FRANCE and “RUSSIA”! Didn't hear that on the Daily KOS, did you? Google it. Knowledge make you smarter, or was that Beans?


truepatriotfreethinker
Comment posted February 27, 2010 @ 11:34 pm

I will feal alot better when IDIOTS and Idiocity are Banned, or at least have your voting rights taken away. When that happens, you won't be around or allowe nowhere near a voting booth. This world would run alot smoother without idiots like you in it! It's too bad they allow people to vote who obviously have very little mental capacity and prove that you can't think for yourselves. Maybe it is you who needs to quit smoking that crap, blistering the few braincells you have left. Check the mold level in your parents basement where you are living. I hear it decreases mental capacity and makes you habitually vote for democ~RATS, and even drool all over the place which is a dead giveaway spotting someone's democ~RAT voting tendencies.


Anonymous
Comment posted February 28, 2010 @ 4:37 am

Expending so much time on someone who bores you is a sign of the uncultured.


Anonymous
Comment posted February 28, 2010 @ 4:38 am

That version of 20th century history and political science would not allow you to pass middle school civics. What *have* you been smoking, you uncultured barbarian?


Anonymous
Comment posted February 28, 2010 @ 4:38 am

Your xenophobic and hateful posts have insulted every patriotic American.


truepatriotfreethinker
Comment posted February 27, 2010 @ 11:47 pm

Who doubled the gas prices? The same silly turbine wearing SOB whom Obama BOWED to. When did the economy tank? When the gas prices more than tripled in price. When did that take place? Just prior to our 2008 election. Do you think that outside interrests may have played a part in purposely manipulating our economy to effect our election? Bush tried 3 different times to convince the Saudi king to change their swing vote on the OPEC board and to increase production to lower costs. The Saudi king whom Obama bowed to didn't budge until the damage had already been done. Why do you think he bowed to him????


truepatriotfreethinker
Comment posted February 27, 2010 @ 11:48 pm

Not mine! Prove it!


truepatriotfreethinker
Comment posted February 28, 2010 @ 12:01 am

Is that a threat, because I love threats? Or is it an assertion? Because the innept Obama will probably get us all killed soon. And as far as me being (your words) ….the perfect pompous, assumptive, illiterate asshole?”, at least I can think for myself and know what I'm talking about without having to rely on calling someone (your words) ….the perfect pompous, assumptive, illiterate asshole?” If I'm all of what you said, it's because of little idiots like you who made me that way because of your blind stupidity which will eventually cause us to either lose our country or die trying to keep it, because of idiots like you who can't think.


truepatriotfreethinker
Comment posted February 28, 2010 @ 12:15 am

That has to be the biggest line of Bull-crap that I've ever heard. No-one who is a business owner, LIKE ME as well, thinks that socialism is a good idea, or lacks the sense to see it for themselves when it's blatantly obvious except to a pimple-faced-burger flipping-little burnout who only worries about burning more braincells, to become a better democ~RAT. What do you do, make tampons? Take my advice. Stick one in each nostril and each ear because your brains are leaking out. You'll thank me later for the advice.


truepatriotfreethinker
Comment posted February 28, 2010 @ 1:00 am

That would benefit us all. I too have no health insurance because of that reason, let alone the affordability factor. But we can't allow the government to take over one more aspect of our lives. The fact that government already has its hands in the issue is the biggest problems with health insurance now. We can't expect everyone else to pay our bills, but we can free the market up to allow a free market pool with intrastate competition to decrease the costs. Right now it's all a bunch of pocketed scam. If we get the governments already heavy hand out of the process it would open up competing companies and continued lower competitive pricing. The biggest winners would be the companies who cover the pre-existing conditions. If the government said, “We are getting out of the way of competition and allowing intrastate pooled coverage, they still have the ability to regulate under the interstate commerce clause, which is one of government's only 'legal' abilities according to the constitution. The government could, under the interstate commerce clause, say that companies cannot discriminate against pre-existing conditions. Some companies would decide to stay pocketed to state lines, but the biggest winners will be the one's who can cover anyone across the entire country. That's the only legal way government can and should regulate healthcare insurance.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted February 28, 2010 @ 3:10 am

Literate people use a question mark, dumbass.

I was asking a general question. The “authorities” care more about intent like your interest in sedition.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted February 28, 2010 @ 3:12 am

So you are an old fuck waiting to die. How pathetic.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted February 28, 2010 @ 3:14 am

Except that you're an old, angry POS ready to die, your diatribe is sad and lost.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted February 28, 2010 @ 3:16 am

Yes, we make tampons, you mealy mouthed ass muncher.
Screw your bigotry, Archie Bunker.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted February 28, 2010 @ 3:18 am

“They are need to voted out.”

Are you drunk or just stupid?


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted February 28, 2010 @ 3:20 am

Wow. That's a whole new level of illiteracy. Are you drunk?


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted February 28, 2010 @ 3:22 am

Not mine and prove it?

Whoa. You're a sick SOB if you're actually an adult.


ellid
Comment posted February 28, 2010 @ 6:35 am

You have as much understanding of how the health insurance industry works as the average Neanderthal knows about nuclear physics.

Also, if you've been a business owner since 1972 you're probably around 60, which means that you'll have Medicare in a few years. I assume you'll take advantage of this instead of the wonderful free market that jacks up premiums by as much as 39% a year?


ellid
Comment posted February 28, 2010 @ 6:36 am

Actually, it was American oil companies and speculators, led by the guy George W. Bush kissed on the lips.


Anonymous
Comment posted February 28, 2010 @ 11:39 am

Thank God *someone* has read William L. Shirer besides me….


Bostwick666
Comment posted February 28, 2010 @ 7:09 am

Wow, True Patriot Thinker…such a commitment to Democracy!

Winston Churchill once said “democracy is the worst political system, apart from all the others”.

What he meant ws that sometimes you don't get the outcome you like. The other side sometimes wins and puts in policies you don't agree with. For me, that meant eight years of Bush and Darth Cheney. For you, that means Obama. However, your idea that people should be prevented from voting is unconstitutional, downright scary and if I may say UNAMERICAN. Please learn to take the good with the bad. If you don't like the President, just vote against him….stop all this bullshit.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted February 28, 2010 @ 8:38 am

No one here is advocating socialism. It's your tiny paranoid mind that believes this. Get back to flipping your burgers at Mickey D's.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted February 28, 2010 @ 8:44 am

Believe it or not, I have friends that are just like you and justanamerican. When I was discussing the reason we needed health care reform here in the US, her whole reason for disagreeing with me was one false statement that had been passed onto her through like emails that I have received. “Obama wants to give old people a pill to kill them and that's just sick!” There's no discussing anything with people like you because your hate for Obama is so great it clouds your judgement.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted February 28, 2010 @ 8:50 am

You're right. So we can get some NEW career politicians in Washington that will do the same thing.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted February 28, 2010 @ 8:52 am

Clinton was my turning point in politics. I didn't vote for Bush and voted for Perot. When the Republican party wasted our tax dollars on hearings because Clinton got a BJ in the Oval office, that's when my politics changed. It was apparent to me that Republicans were never going to do anything for this country. Today, the environment is even worse with their inability to do business with Obama.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted February 28, 2010 @ 8:55 am

See. That's precisely what would happen if you and your people are put into power. Take away the people's rights and cram your religion down our throats. And that's why you'll never succeed in your endeavors.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted February 28, 2010 @ 9:03 am

“We” didn't find yellow cake uranium. “We” were told that Saddam had bought it from Niger. And then “We” disclosed the identity of Wilson's wife in the CIA after Wilson went to Niger and found the report to be FALSE.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted February 28, 2010 @ 9:06 am

And Cheney kept the minutes of his meetings with the 'oil chiefs' secret. Could it be so he, Bush and their friends could fleece Americans as much as they could?


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted February 28, 2010 @ 10:21 am

I think we're dealing with an actual idiotic human asshole. Transference from a failed life and anger issues against women? Typical birfer profile.


peterprinciple
Comment posted February 28, 2010 @ 3:10 pm

Orly Taitz: Proving that consistency is NOT the hobgoblin of little minds.


katahdin
Comment posted February 28, 2010 @ 4:50 pm

I wonder, could Orly just be in love with President Obama?
Maybe all this jumping up and down and screaming “Usurper, Usurper” is just her way of trying to get his attention.
She is clearly all heated up over that big, strong usurpin' Kenyan decisively thrusting himself into her 'oval office.'
If indifference is the opposite of love, then isn't love the opposite of indifference.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted February 28, 2010 @ 6:54 pm

You could be right. Didn't she want to see his penis to find out if he was circumsized?


justanamercian
Comment posted February 28, 2010 @ 9:34 pm

“big, strong usurpin' Kenyan”

You just stated that he is a Kenyan. Didn't you just admit that he is not an American Citizen by your statement thus proving that Orly is correct???


ellid
Comment posted February 28, 2010 @ 9:47 pm

sar·casm (sär'k?z'?m) n.

1. A cutting, often ironic remark intended to wound.

2. A form of wit that is marked by the use of sarcastic language and is intended to make its victim the butt of contempt or ridicule.

3. The use of sarcasm.


ellid
Comment posted February 28, 2010 @ 9:48 pm

Think for yourself?

*rolls eyes*

All you've done is spout discredited talking points, you brainwashed bush baby.


Anonymous
Comment posted March 1, 2010 @ 2:53 am

Since Barack Obama is the legally elected, confirmed, and sworn President of the United States of America, your statement that he is not your president is unequivocal proof that you are not an American. That being the case, kindly return to your home country as quickly as possible before your ISP is traced and you are deported.

Thank you.


katahdin
Comment posted February 28, 2010 @ 11:19 pm

Very good. I keep forgetting that in Birtherstan, humor and logic are the fruits of the forbidden tree; if you touch them you have to put on your clothes and leave.


youmustbejoking
Comment posted March 1, 2010 @ 3:06 am

You must be trying to re-write history already. Colin Powell did not decide to send any amount of money to help tsunami victims- only the president and Congress do that. Powell was the Secretary of State. He can carry the message but he didn't make the decision.

WMD were not found in Iraq. We were lied to about the whole thing. We should have stayed focused on chasing down Osama Bin Laden in Afghanistan and not diverted manpower and supplies to Iraq. We had worldwide support for the war in Afghanistan. We lost a whole lot of support and even more respect with going into Iraq. We became hypocrites, espousing one thing and doing another. I fully supported going into Afghanistan, but not Iraq.

FEMA failed miserably in getting help into all the areas hurt by Katrina. Bush stayed on vacation and didn't make a statement. Even with the massive death toll and extreme destruction. Don't you remember “Brownie your doing a heck of a job”? NOT. And don't forget, the Corps of Engineers had incorrectly promised the levees would hold. Until they didn't. And wasn't it you (or your buddy) in a previous post who blamed the people who didn't have the means and wherewithal to leave New Orleans before the storm? When people have little money and lack transportation and all they have in the world is a little house in the 9th Ward, and you blame them for not leaving? You and your ilk are sorry s.o.b.s aren't you? I bet you would walk right on by someone lying sick or hurt on the street wouldn't you?

And as to OUR president, Hussein is his middle name and never one he has gone by. So your referring to him by that is just you showing your ass. I wouldn't need the likes of your to tell me who OUR president is and after the previous administration I am so thankful he is the president. It is so refreshing to have a very intellegent, educated and honest man in the office after the preceeding 8 years. And our leader greeting someone else of position/title in the manner of they do is not being subserviant to them. Just as the Japanese bow in greeting, so do other cultures. I guess you have to have a bigger world view to understand that. Don't you recall Bush holding hands with the one Saudi leader? Not our custom, but theirs.


truepatriotfreethinker
Comment posted March 1, 2010 @ 3:22 am

You wrote; “Who is this “Colon Powell” person? He sounds like a laxative salesman. The former Secretary of State was COLIN Powell.” Colon =Colin / I purposely misspelled that you moron. I was alluding to what you morons were calling him when he worked for President Bush. > As in the innermost, deepest area of an anus. You wrote; “…..George W. Bush speeches where he mispronounces “nuclear”*” I guess mispronunciations are only noticed by libtard democ~RATS when it's not one of their socialist brethren making them. How about Barack's Corps(as in a dead person's body)=Corps/(pronounced-Core)… or again recently Ax=Ask So I ax you, “What have you to say now, nimrodphuckphace?”


truepatriotfreethinker
Comment posted March 1, 2010 @ 3:37 am

Why don't you listen and learn? If your heads weren't clouded with sewerage, you could see things for yourself. “I” never said someone wants to give old people a pill so they'll die. However, “your president” did say something about giving elderly people more painkillers instead of uselessly improving their lives with continued medical or procedures.


truepatriotfreethinker
Comment posted March 1, 2010 @ 4:04 am

You wrote; “…..if you've been a business owner since 1972 you're probably around 60,…..”

You're answering the wrong post idiot. I've only been in business for just under 15 years. I never said how long.

You wrote; “….wonderful free market that jacks up premiums by as much as 39% a year?”

I never said that there wasn't a problem with the insurance industry or that it didn't need fixing but there are correct ways to do things, and SOCIALIZING an entire industry isn't the answer. “One” of the problems right now with insurance is caused by government intrusion. If they would keep their nose out of where it doesn't belong then there would be less problems “as there is right now.” Competition would LOWER prices. They can only compete in clustered areas because of government regulation.
What would fix the insurance pricing would be to allow interstate policies and competition. The government “CAN” still regulate due to the “Interstate Commerce Clause” in the constitution, and tell the insurance companies that 'if they want to cover people “nationwide”, they have to cover pre-existing conditions.
Massachusetts has socialized healthcare and the best brain surgeons and brain trauma center “used to be” in Boston. Ted Kennedy had to go to N.C. to have brain surgury.
You people (and I use that term loosly) need to wake up.


truepatriotfreethinker
Comment posted March 1, 2010 @ 4:32 am

I did say “Idiots shouldn't be allowed to vote.”
If you think that statement was directed at you then you must consider yourself to be in that group. I don't know if they still do it but they used to require immigrants to learn English and know U.S. history. I do think people should be competent in knowledge of U.S. history so they at least know why we are allowed to vote and know the differences in political theories. Definitely, crazy people, criminals, and socialists, or anyone whose beliefs (like socialism) which are inevitably contrary to freedom should be banned from voting. People should know what socialism is, and if they really want it, then they have the right to go somewhere else in the world that has it already instituted. Other than voting for socialism, that should be their only right – to go somewhere else instead of trying to have it here.


truepatriotfreethinker
Comment posted March 1, 2010 @ 6:08 am

NOT_AJK
It's easy to let something go in one ear and out the other for you mind-boggled democ~RATS since there is nothing in between to absorb anything. That's why you morons don't know anything. You think you already know more than anyone else, when obviously you don't, and you refuse to hear anything else besides filth and crap.

All of you keep spouting off a bunch of disproven crap that you think is true and you probably get your information from Daily KOS or CNN or MSNBC.


truepatriotfreethinker
Comment posted March 1, 2010 @ 6:21 am

You wrote; “Now they're just trying to make him into the worst people in history they can think of.”

We're not trying anything. Inept Obama is doing a fine job at that all by himself. Ooops, I can't leave out Reid, Pelosi, Biden, Rahm Emanuel, Boxer, Feinstein….and all the rest. Rahm Emanuel did get it right when he called democ~RATS, you people!, “…A bunch of “F”ing Retards!”
I didn't say it. I'm just agreeing with one of 'your people' for stating the obvious and finally getting something right.


truepatriotfreethinker
Comment posted March 1, 2010 @ 6:40 am

If you people knew anything or were really as smart as you'd like other people to believe, then you'd know that Communism is a “FORM” of Socialism, just as NAZI'ism is also. (National Socialism)

Saul Alinsky wrote a book and described the diferences….a book that your president loved to read since he stated he's one of his political idols…

Frank Marshall Davis was accused by the House Committee on UnAmerican Activities of being a communist. Guess what, He WAS! Davis was also another of Obama's Idols.

Plenty of people were accused back then of subversion or ties to communism, and the commision was later found to be correct!!!!

The good thing now is today they are all out in the open about it, as Obama proudly was until just before the supposed election.


truepatriotfreethinker
Comment posted March 1, 2010 @ 6:48 am

You wrote; “….but about his loyalty and his intent.”

He said it himself, when asked why he didn't wear an American Flag on his lapel when all the other congressmen and senators do, he replied, “I don't want to be seen or thought of as taking sides…and to many around the world it's seen as a symbol of oppression.”

Do you agree with your president? Is that how you view the American flag?


truepatriotfreethinker
Comment posted March 1, 2010 @ 7:00 am

Sedition hmmm? Kind of like what you were doing when President Bush was in office? How is what I'm trying to do called sedition, and what you were doing then really was but you don't recognize it as such? I'm only trying to find out the truth about Obama which should've been found out long before he ever was allowed to run. It's not sedition when something really is wrong and they're covering it up. If it is sedition then send the secret service to pick me up so I can have my day in court where they'll have to prove me wrong.


truepatriotfreethinker
Comment posted March 1, 2010 @ 7:04 am

You wrote; “Screw your bigotry, Archie Bunker.”

Go back to sleep Meathead!

Rob Reiner is also an admitted communist. He didn't just play an idiot, he really was/is one!


ellid
Comment posted March 1, 2010 @ 7:10 am

Let's see…

“FORM” should not be in parentheses.

Nazism is nothing like socialism

Saul Alinsky never joined the Communist party.

No one ghost wrote the President's books.

McCarthyism was discredited over fifty years ago, after it destroyed lives, careers, and nearly the country.

Your last sentence makes no sense.


ellid
Comment posted March 1, 2010 @ 7:11 am

If you weren't such an anti-American thug, this would be funny. As it is, it's frightening ignorant.

As for the American flag, why don't you ask someone who doesn't live in your trailer park what they think? Preferably someone in another country?


ellid
Comment posted March 1, 2010 @ 7:12 am

Better than getting information from the likes of Stormfront, the John Birch Society, Phil Berg, Gary Kreep, Andy Martin, the Free Republican, and similar sources that exist solely to destroy American democracy.


ellid
Comment posted March 1, 2010 @ 7:13 am

Liar.


ellid
Comment posted March 1, 2010 @ 7:16 am

What do I have to say now? Only that you are a very, very sad person who hates yourself and hates your country, and are terrified of anyone who isn't white, male, and right wing. And you will never, ever know it.

I'd feel sorry for you if you weren't hellbent on wrecking American for the rest of us.


ellid
Comment posted March 1, 2010 @ 7:16 am

Questioning an administration's policies is one thing. Actively trying to get an election overturned on bogus grounds is sedition.


ellid
Comment posted March 1, 2010 @ 7:18 am

Great channeling of Sarah “death panels” Palin! Nice job!

*applauds*


ellid
Comment posted March 1, 2010 @ 7:22 am

Massachusetts does NOT have socialized medicine. We have an individual mandate, subsidies for those unable to afford insurance, and an expanded Medicaid program. It still doesn't insure everyone, and rates are still skyrocketing because it's NOT single payer.

As for Ted Kennedy, he would spit in your face if he were still alive. He underwent experimental treatment that wasn't available in Massachusetts, AFTER consulting with surgeons and specialists at Mass General. He went to his grave working to get everyone health coverage, and you using him to argue against it is sickening.


Anonymous
Comment posted March 1, 2010 @ 12:53 pm

You’re on a slippery slope now my friend.

If we start deciding which American citizens can vote based on ideology, then how long before someone takes your vote away. One of the important principle shere is that we can disagree with what each other has to say, but dfend to the death our rights to say it.

If we start taking away the vote from nutters (9/11 truthers, tea partiers, Lindon Larouche cultists etc) then we set a precedent for someone to take our own vote away, and then it’s only so long before someone actually does it.

The original Boston tea party was based on a set of political principles, some of which went on to inform principles of the consitution. one of these was ‘no taxation without representation’.

I beg you, if you are as you say, committed to the federation, the constitution and the USA, stop talking about taking away the democracy on which our greatness is based.

Yes, we let idiots vote. That’s because it’s dangerous to let people with an agenda decide who is an idiot and who is not for the purposes of voting. If we can ban idiots, you might choose to ban me. I might choose to ban you, but our nation would be weaker for having done so.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted March 1, 2010 @ 2:25 pm

Holy crap, you're an idiot.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted March 1, 2010 @ 2:30 pm

WTF are you babbling about? You obviously have A LOT more time than common sense.

Idiot.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted March 1, 2010 @ 2:31 pm

GFY, troll.


ellid
Comment posted March 1, 2010 @ 2:41 pm

An utter and blatant lie. How can you sleep at night with such things on your conscience?


Anonymous
Comment posted March 1, 2010 @ 7:44 pm

You and your little friends all write alike and spout the same bogus talking points, so you shouldn’t be surprised that people think you are indeed the same person.


Anonymous
Comment posted March 1, 2010 @ 7:46 pm

What you describe is not democracy. It is totalitarianism, and as un-American as it gets.

You should be ashamed of yourself.


truepatriotfreethinker
Comment posted March 1, 2010 @ 3:13 pm

Obviously you must be looking in a mirror sucker! Every time you open your mouth and pour your filth onto your keyboard you show your stupidity. Only an idiot can't see what's going on and would defend what you're defending. Wait and see how many people have awakened come 2010 election time in November. Fricking moron!

BTW Sometime, one of these days real soon, there will be a judge with the stones, decency, the patriotism and the morality to hear the case against Obama and you are going to get the biggest wakeup slap in the face, finding out the truth you already know is true, that you've been worshipping and defending a usurping traitorous illegal alien who in reality hates your guts. Even though he appreciates the stupidity from his supporters, Rahm Emanuel and Obama considers you “F”ing Retards! On that one miniscule point, I wholeheartedly concur with them. They know their supporters just like we thinking Americans do. And that point they know is what keeps them in office.


truepatriotfreethinker
Comment posted March 1, 2010 @ 3:26 pm

If they are bogus grounds then it's easily provable. Only a moron would cover for someone on such a serious issue when the evidence is there to prove otherwise. There are about 4 or 5 points of Obama's eligibility which could legally keep Obama from furthering this sham. I think that one day real soon, maybe if not this year possibly next, when the evidence is openly seen, you're going to see him being led out of the whitehouse to a nice cozy cell where he belongs. That will be your proof of your own stupidity and my proof that there really is a God in heaven.


truepatriotfreethinker
Comment posted March 1, 2010 @ 3:41 pm

I'm trying to keep it FROM being wrecked, idiot! I could care less about what color he is. I care about his policies and what he thinks America SHOULD be. I voted for Alan Keys who is obviously BLACKER than Obama, and could think Obama under the table on constitutional issues, or any issue for that matter. Keyes doesn't care about the color of my skin either. HE didn't attend a church for 20 years damning this country and all whites. I would have been proud to have the patriotic Alan Keyes as my first black president, since we haven't had one yet.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted March 1, 2010 @ 4:36 pm

No. You're just having a temper tantrum and stomping your little feet on the ground with a red face and veins emerging from your forehead. I seriously doubt you voted for Keyes. You just want us to believe that so we don't think you're the racist that you are.

One thing about me, I don't mind admitting when I am wrong. In fact, I can remember a time when I was wrong and that was where I thought I was wrong but I was really right.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted March 1, 2010 @ 4:42 pm

Talk about stupidity. You musta got manure for brains. I never seen someone so shit all stupid as you. There's no judge that will hear any case against Obama other than the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court if Articles of Impeachment were brought against Obama in Congress. The only way to remove a sitting president is through impeachment. Seriously doubt that will happen. As far as you little tea baggers. Your numbers aren't great enough to change the environment in Washington. What people you may be able to get elected will go to Washington and be bought off by the corporations just like every other Republican and then you'll be bitching and moaning about them.


ellid
Comment posted March 1, 2010 @ 4:56 pm

You are an unintelligent, uneducated, bigoted fool. God save the Republic from being “saved” by the likes of you.


youmustbejoking
Comment posted March 1, 2010 @ 5:41 pm

If you truly voted for Alan Keyes, you are in worse shape than we thought! I wouldn't vote for him even if he were the only candidate on the ballot.


bearclaw
Comment posted March 1, 2010 @ 6:58 pm

President Obama never said that. You have once again repeated as true a story that is an utter and complete lie:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/stance.asp

But that is what you birfers are all about, isn't it? You just repeat the lies, and hope that somehow they become the truth.


truepatriotfreethinker
Comment posted March 1, 2010 @ 7:16 pm

The only kind of racist I am is I hate IDIOTS of EVERY RACE. Besides being an IDIOT, YOU are a racist because you voted for someone who is black, only because he was black, let alone without any qualifications or being constitutionally eligible. THAT”S RACIST! I have only been conversing with you idiots a few days now and have seen that you've been wrong every time you've stated anything, except the admission that Obama was a Kenyan Usurper, which was supposed to be sarcastic, but it was the only truthful thing I've heard from anyone on here supporting the USURPER.


truepatriotfreethinker
Comment posted March 1, 2010 @ 7:18 pm

Exactly! Because you're a racist communist bigot!


truepatriotfreethinker
Comment posted March 1, 2010 @ 7:23 pm

This country was originally set up to be a REPUBLIC, but it ceased being a republic when they let every idiot in the country vote. If it were still a republic, we wouldn't be having the problems we're having now with an inneligible usurper occupying the executive branch of our government. You racist, bigoted moronic, idiot.


youmustbejoking
Comment posted March 1, 2010 @ 7:33 pm

No, because I think he is an idiot. I am definitely not a communist, nor am I bigoted except against fools and you seem to fit that description. My black family will tell you I'm not a racist and I voted for the best person for the job on the presidential ballot who happens to be a black man as well as a very educated and smart individual who also loves this country and wants what is best for the people in it. All the people. Even fools like you.


truepatriotfreethinker
Comment posted March 1, 2010 @ 7:36 pm

Snopes is a socialist-liberal misinformation site. Google it for yourself= Obama – lapel flag comment; or if it's still on youtube, you can listen to it for yourself. Oh, I forgot, you idiots only hear what you want to hear,. It goes in one ear and out the other because there is nothing in between to catch anything and you don't want to know the truth because you can't handle the truth, for fear that the truth would turn your whole misguided view of the world upside down and probably make the severe drooling stop and the smoke roll out of your ears. You are….all of you are pathetic!


youmustbejoking
Comment posted March 1, 2010 @ 7:40 pm

They allow citizens who have not been stripped of their voting rights to vote because that is the way it is supposed to be. The only reason they ever kept anyone from voting was because they were either not considered “persons” or they were not considered to be “whole persons”. Once we got that part straightened out, all who are over eighteen and citizens have a civic obligation to be involved in the election process. That's why they do mock elections in schools – to encourage at a young age- our citizens to take part in the political process so that we have an actual representative government. You know, the whole “of the people, by the people” thing?


truepatriotfreethinker
Comment posted March 1, 2010 @ 7:45 pm

Who are the anti-Americans here? Your EL presidente' isn't even an American.

I'm so American I'd make you look communist….ooops, you already are since you support a usurper who idolizes Mao Zedong, Karl Marx, Saul Alinsky, Norman Thomas. Come to think of it, why don't you Google; Norman Thomas-Quotes, the so-called American Socialist Party leader who ran for president on several occasions and got both socialist groups, The American NAZI Party and the Communist Party of America to join forces in a common goal in 1968 to back the democ~RAT party. They have ever since. FOOLS!


truepatriotfreethinker
Comment posted March 1, 2010 @ 7:52 pm

You show how idiotic you truly are. Conservatism is trying to save your freedom to continue to be an idiot, if that's what you always want to be. Socialism will always lead to idiot wussies like you wanting the smart people to fight to get their rights back. This is it DUMMIES, no more second chances. If you're fool enough to lose it because you're too stupid to see things so obvious it would make Hellen Keller smack you for being blind and deaf, you deserve it. Fricking Morons!


truepatriotfreethinker
Comment posted March 1, 2010 @ 7:56 pm

Google it, Moron! I haven't said/typed anything that you couldn't check out for yourself. If you weren't such an inept moron, you'd have done so already, moron!


bearclaw
Comment posted March 1, 2010 @ 8:08 pm

You are such a liar.

I went to You Tube, and looked “Obama lapel pin comment.” Here is what I found:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hotPeH1xFbQ

In it, Obama explains that he stopped wearing a lapel pin because it seemed to him that it was a substitute for true patriotism, which is speaking up on issues regarding our national security.

So, I challenge you: provide a link to a video of Barack Obama saying what you allege he said. Snopes.com said your story is false. I'm betting snopes.com is correct, and you can't provide a link.

Instead of providing facts, you simply denounce as “socialist” anyone who can disprove what you say. Not much of a substitute for critical thinking, or thinking of any kind.


Anonymous
Comment posted March 2, 2010 @ 1:10 am

You wrote; “The only way to remove a sitting president is through impeachment.”

The only way to remove a sitting, CONSTITUTIONALLY ELLIGIBLE president is through impeachment. Since he is obviously inneligible, and IT CAN be proven, a judge can make a judgement on his illigibility. It would however innevitably go all the way to the Supreme Court to be ruled on. Impeachment is for a Legally Elected officeholder. Congress couldn’t stop that even if they tried. They could convene hearings to make a judgement on his elligibility, and then procede with impeachment procedings, but he will have already resigned and skipped country, probably to Saudi Arabia, Cuba, North Korea, Iran or Venezuela wher they admire socialist usurpers who made so many Americans look like the fools they are, more precicely the fools you are.


Anonymous
Comment posted March 2, 2010 @ 1:16 am

If you’re defending a Socialist and his policies, and don’t know Socialism when it’s right in front of your face, then you ARE a Socialist and are advocating it. Moron!


Anonymous
Comment posted March 2, 2010 @ 1:24 am

Since you enjoy talking about, Quote; “teabaggers” and Quote; “assholes” so much, it makes me think that you’re bringing up your sick lifestyle.
Why don’t you call the people who had the original Tea Party back in 1775 teabaggers? Because it would show that you’re outright unpatriotic instead of what you are attempting to show, your smart-assed unpatriotic moronic self. You’re not impressing anyone except the other idiots. Idiot!


truepatriotfreethinker
Comment posted March 1, 2010 @ 8:49 pm

Communist, NAZI, in the big scheme of things since they're both socialisms, what's the difference? You must gravitate towards one of them more than the other as Obama does, since you support him and his policies.

If you truly do know what socialism is, of all forms, and you think Obama was the best candidate, then you must be a racist, because you had to have voted for him because of his race. He hates white people and you voted for a racist too. So either way you are the socialist, racist idiot, especially if you have the common sense that you profess to have, and I doubt it! Idiot!


truepatriotfreethinker
Comment posted March 1, 2010 @ 9:10 pm

He had to have had another interview on the same subject because I saw and heard what he said, which was HE didn't want to be seen as taking sides. I will find it and get back to you just to rub it in your face.

BTW-Obama is a Socialist! He knows and understands what it is. That's why he has always surrounded himself with them. Van Jones, Dohrn, Ayers, etc…

Snopes is a liberal-rag site that cannot be trusted on political issues especially. They have been known to print their twisted version of the truth, which for all intents and purposes is printing a lie.

I denounce as socialist anyone who supports socialism and has the good sense or the opportunity to know better by simple investigation of facts.
You did some homework and investigated my assertion of what I know is true. For that I can commend you. But when I come back here with something that will turn your misconception of the world around, then I expect to hear the same from you.

If that got purposely buried in the websites, then it may take some time.
See you in a while….


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted March 1, 2010 @ 9:18 pm

I have always found that those that make claims against others always have the traits they so despise.

You are a communist and we'll find out who you are soon enough to out you.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted March 1, 2010 @ 9:20 pm

The best part of you ended up on the sheets below your mama's ass.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted March 1, 2010 @ 9:21 pm

You wouldn't know a conservative if you met one. Go live in your skin head world with your Nazi friends.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted March 1, 2010 @ 9:22 pm

Looking in the mirror, again?


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted March 1, 2010 @ 9:23 pm

Hey, Orly Rush Limbaugh. Nothing better to do than spread your communist propoganda again?


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted March 1, 2010 @ 9:24 pm

And it still is a Republic that runs under a democracy. But you're too stupid to understand that.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted March 2, 2010 @ 2:26 am

You’re the worst kind of racist there is. Go burn a cross in your neighbor’s yard. Maybe it’ll make you feel a bit better but better yet, maybe you’ll get arrested.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted March 2, 2010 @ 2:33 am

As I wrote before – you musta got manure for brains, mister. I ain’t never seen someone so shit all stupid as you. Go swill down a few more Schlitz and shoot the cans with a bb gun from your porch there in your trailer park. I’m betting you’re the kind of guy that wears an undersized white t-shirt with holes, a beer gut sticking out and you curse at the neighbor kids.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted March 2, 2010 @ 2:34 am

You’re certainly showing your true Christian spirit here, aren’t you?


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted March 1, 2010 @ 9:41 pm

We should all thank truepatriotfreethinker for posting here. He is the epitome of the right wingnuts and tea baggers. He is showing his true Christian values right here. So, thank you truepatriotfreethinker for showing just what kind of people we'd have to put up with in government if we didn't work hard to get people out to vote Democrat.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted March 1, 2010 @ 9:45 pm

I'll give you a point for this. At least you spelled moron correctly. Or did you have to look it up?


jsutanamerican
Comment posted March 1, 2010 @ 11:06 pm

HomeStart Here!Our MissionAbout UsResourcesPrivacy NoticeLegalContact UsThe U.S. Personal Income Tax: It Goes to The Family Rothschild
By William Dean A. Garner
The more people like me speak out about this, the more will scratch their heads and go, “No way!” or “You’re an idiot, Garner!” or, worst of all, “You’re not an American!”

I’ve heard this crap before, and it always comes from ignorant souls who just don’t understand how the political and economic systems work in the western world.

After more than 30 years of anecdotal research, connecting thousands of dots across an endless sky, a distinct pattern begins to emerge, something I’ll share a bit with you here. First, there’re other brave souls out there who also have researched this contentious topic, and have drawn similar conclusions. And we’ve all done so independently, which makes our conclusions all the more striking. I’ve said this before and it bears repeating: the evil family Rothschild, which controls what I term The First Sphere of Influence in the western world, hides in plain sight. They even flaunt their wealth and control and power over us with such arrogance and contempt that it cannot be ignored, even by like-minded people as they.

Where shall I start?

The U.S. income tax was a long sought-after tax the Rothschilds had attempted to bring on since the late 1770s, but it was strongly resisted by Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin, James Madison and John Adams, among other less-known (to contemporary audiences) American Patriots. Traitor Alexander Hamilton, a bastard child born in the warm Caribbean, was our first Secretary of the Treasury, sent to the US by the Rothschilds to establish the first central bank. Hamilton had been groomed from the start by the Rothschilds, although few people actually knew of his true identity. Aaron Burr, Hamilton’s killer, knew of his background and often chided and bullied him over it, until Burr finally slapped Hamilton across the face with a leather glove, thus issuing the challenge that killed Hamilton.

While Thomas Jefferson vehemently fought against the creation of such a bank, George Washington believed that Hamilton knew what he was doing and thus must be correct. They bank was started . . . and suddenly plunged the nascent United States into debt.

When the central bank’s charter expired, it was not renewed, so the Rothschilds punished the “Colonies” by having the British attack the US again to commence the War of 1812. When the US “won” the war, once again expelling the RedCoats from our lands, the Rothschilds reveled in their own victory, having established yet another central bank that drained the US taxpayers of their Personal Income.

When this bank’s charter ran its course, the whole Rothschild-US President [Fill In The Blank] battle started again, with one side winning a victory over the other in the ensuing 70 years. Without dredging up reams of references from our beloved annals of history, please note that President Andrew Jackson was instrumental in fighting the Rothschilds, although they tried on numerous occasions to assassinate him.

It wasn’t until 1913 that Senator Nelson Aldrich and his fascist “American Rothschilds” managed to sneak through a bill, during the winter break of the House of Representatives, that imposed a formal personal income tax on all Americans.

Our notion that our personal income taxes go to paying for our country’s infrastructure, social services, military, etc. is inaccurate, to say the least. Our personal income taxes first are collected by the US Treasury via the Internal Revenue Service, which sends the funds to the Federal Reserve, which is NOT a federal bank of any sort. The privately owned Federal Reserve, which is owned by the Rothschilds and, to a smaller extent, other banking families, then sends our tax dollars to its own Bank of England, which is located in the sovereign area of London called The City of London.

Interestingly, The City of London has its own laws, security forces and military, completely independent of the rest of London and the entire United Kingdom. It is considered the most elite banking and economic center in the western world.

The Bank of England, again, owned by the Rothschilds, sends our tax dollars to other central banks, all privately owned, and located in Europe.

Why do we even pay this illegal personal income tax, when our own government can operate without it?

Because our government borrows heavily from the Rothschilds and must pay interest on these loans. Our personal income tax offsets these interest payments. All usurious, of course. And all illegal.

In the coming months, I’ll share more with you. I realize that this information is hard to take, given we’ve been raised on the notion that we live in a free and democratic society, and our hard-earned money goes toward our benevolent US government.

In effect, my fellow Americans, it is all a lie.

The good news is that these bare facts are now more visible than ever and, with sufficient time and effort, people like me will get this word out. We have already seen the power of the American people against the healthcare reform bills: a stunning backlash against the Brzezinski Cartel and The First Sphere of Influence.

Backlashes like we’re seeing now are just the beginning of a new American Revolution, one that we actually win. This time.

Wake up!!!!!!!


ellid
Comment posted March 1, 2010 @ 11:13 pm

Well said, even if you are casting pearls before swine….:)


Anonymous
Comment posted March 2, 2010 @ 4:14 am

Look, it’s Jonah Goldberg! The doughy pantload himself! And he’s even dumber on a blog than he is in his unreadable book!


Anonymous
Comment posted March 2, 2010 @ 4:15 am

Maybe because teabags didn’t exist in 1776, you illiterate baboon.


justanamerican
Comment posted March 1, 2010 @ 11:17 pm

Do some research and you will find that Phillip Berg is one of you a democrap, that supported Hillory.


Anonymous
Comment posted March 2, 2010 @ 4:18 am

*pats the angry little baby on the head, stuffs a thorazine-dusted pacifier into its gaping maw, and frog marches it off to Sleepy-Bye Land, which is so white and clean and pure and perfect, so the little baby birther can dry its dydies while listening to pure Aryan maidens singing “The Horst Wessel Song” in German for the SS officers who will impregnate them with the Master Race right after the concert*


ellid
Comment posted March 1, 2010 @ 11:18 pm

*calls for doctor to hospitalize Renfield before he starts eating kitty-cats as well as spiders and snakes and swallows*


ellid
Comment posted March 1, 2010 @ 11:20 pm

Also, may God strike me dead on the spot if I ever, ever, ever have a worldview that even comes close to the hideous denial of His Kingdom that you express with every single post you make.


justanamerican
Comment posted March 1, 2010 @ 11:21 pm

It seem that the vocabulary of the lefties on here, has digressed in to what could seriously be considered as the gutter, or what happens in a bar near closing time.


ellid
Comment posted March 1, 2010 @ 11:21 pm

So? Doesn't change the fact that Berg is a lunatic and Obama was natural born.


ellid
Comment posted March 1, 2010 @ 11:22 pm

Google what? Your political smears? Thanks, but I just cleaned the catbox and have had my fill of ammonia fumes and shit for the evening.


Anonymous
Comment posted March 2, 2010 @ 4:23 am

Off your meds again, I see. Why don’t you take your lithium and come back when you’re sane?


Anonymous
Comment posted March 2, 2010 @ 4:23 am

You are truly a tool aren’t you? The Internet makes it easy for punks to sit back and post drivel and call people names that you would never have the courage to do in person. I have dealt with cowards like you- and locked their behinds up, where yours should probably be. Nothing but a coward and you prove it by doing nothing but calling people names and posting the debunked already, garbage, spewed by your buddy Oily Taters. You are the worst kind of “citizen” because you don’t really care about truth, you just want to keep spewing bile and hatred from your mouth like vomit. You just want it your way. I seriously doubt you even voted for Keyes and if you did, more the fool you. You wouldn’t know truth if it hit you in the face and you wouldn’t know how to have any kind of civil discourse because it is beyond your intelligence capabilities. You have proven it more each time you hit enter again.


Jim
Comment posted March 1, 2010 @ 11:23 pm

Another former birthtard supporter abandon's ship.

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/03/hayw…

Orly's minions continue to shrink…now only left with former lovers and basement bullies.


Anonymous
Comment posted March 2, 2010 @ 4:25 am

I don’t think “republic” means “white male property holders are the only ones who get to vote.”


Anonymous
Comment posted March 2, 2010 @ 4:26 am

I voted for Barack Obama because he was intelligent, charismatic, and had the good sense not to pick an inarticulate theocrat as his running mate. His skin color didn’t have a damn thing to do with it.


Anonymous
Comment posted March 2, 2010 @ 4:27 am

I’m sorry, but you really need to lay off the Tom Clancy knock-offs and read something decent for a change.


Anonymous
Comment posted March 2, 2010 @ 4:28 am

Utter bullshit from beginning to end.


jsutanamerican
Comment posted March 1, 2010 @ 11:34 pm

Try this on for size, if it fits in you pea sized brains??????

http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?…


jsutanamerican
Comment posted March 1, 2010 @ 11:38 pm

In The Illegal Occupant Of the White House”s OWN WORDS

http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?…


jsutanamerican
Comment posted March 1, 2010 @ 11:56 pm

We must research what our past is, too understand what is happening now. The more that I research this, the more my beliefs on so many things change, but what I am doing is first opening my mind, and then searching for the REAL TRUTH, not the arbitrary one that i one had, because I let my bias or beliefs, interfer, with fining the real truth, and then letting that take me ware it leads me. All Americans, regardless of their political views, must put those views aside, and do what is best for this nation. Since Our SO CALLED ELECTED LEADERS will not do this, we as Ameican citizens must do so, and take the fight to then (Our Enemy), to change this nation. The problems we have now, started decades or even centuries ago, and many of them are as a result of powers to be, that sometimes hidden behind the scenes, and sometime right in front of us. These are such as who really controls the money in this county, through the illegal Federal Reserve. The power is in the hands of such families as the Rochchilds and many others. Our elected leader, corporations, school, media, are in themselves not the enemy, but the real enemy is behinds the scenes controlling these entities as well as our government officials. Illiminating the Federal Reserve, will cut off most of the tenacles that these powers have.


jsutanamerican
Comment posted March 2, 2010 @ 12:00 am

Is this what you Obama lovers Want???? If so why will he as well as congress join the american people by having the same health care plan as everyone else?????

ObamaCare Lays Groundwork for Unprecedented Level of Totalitarianism

http://www.moonbattery.com/archives/2010/02/oba…


truepatriotfreethinker
Comment posted March 2, 2010 @ 12:17 am

There may be some abandoning the issue because they don't believe that anything will ever be done about it since no-one legally elligible in congress did anything when they were supposed to when the election was being confirmed in congress. Some people are thinking more about the economy and their financial situations than being screwed over by the government, which they are used to.

But I guarantee you there are more people finding out about the controversy now and are also wanting some answers.


justanamerican
Comment posted March 2, 2010 @ 12:26 am

You really need to expand you vocabulary. I seems to be very limited, with so many of the 4 letter words. Where did you go to school? Must have been one of those LIBERAL ( And yes I capitolized it for you to comment on) Government schools, where no learning takes place these days. And year I taught in those Government Schools, for many years, trying to teach morons like you something.


truepatriotfreethinker
Comment posted March 2, 2010 @ 12:27 am

I still haven't found it. The video it says has been removed because of policy violation or some crap like that. But, I did find out that it was an interview asking him to explain what he meant by the 'previous interview' with an ABC reporter where he first said, >
The pin saga started on October 3, 2007 when a local ABC reporter asked Obama why he didn’t wear one. Instead of the standard Beltway refrain, “My patriotism speaks for itself,” Obama launched into a long explanation of his decision-making process: “The truth is that right after 9/11, I had a pin. Shortly after 9/11, particularly because as we’re talking about the Iraq war, that became a substitute for, I think, true patriotism, which is speaking out on issues that are of importance to our national security,” Obama said in Cedar Rapids, Iowa. “I decided I won’t wear 'that pin' on my chest.”<<<<<

I will find the second interview about him trying to explain “I decided I won’t wear 'that pin' on my chest.”


truepatriotfreethinker
Comment posted March 2, 2010 @ 12:39 am

And judging what kind of morons I've seen on here, no wonder congress and the whitehouse are so screwed up with illegals and communists and America Haters and such. The kind of freeks appointed to positions who want to teach kids in grade school about the good ol' democ~RAT pastime of FISTING. I'm sure you're as familiar with that act as you are with TEABAGGING as it's like a secret handshake as a way for you idiots to get into the DNC conventions.


truepatriotfreethinker
Comment posted March 2, 2010 @ 12:47 am

NAZI'ism is based on a socialist theory you freeking moron! What do you think the anagram NAZI stands for? NATIONAL SOCIALISM

Nazi
Adjective
1. Relating to or consistent with or typical of the ideology and practice of Nazism or the Nazis; “the total Nazi crime”; “the Nazi interpretation of history”.

2. Relating to a form of socialism; “the national socialist party came to power in 1933″.

I hate stupid people, morons and idiots….ie: democ~RATS!


truepatriotfreethinker
Comment posted March 2, 2010 @ 12:53 am

You are stupid aren't you!?
I bet your parents tell you that all the time just before they smack your face and wish that abortion “after the fact” with a coathanger was legalized.
I bet they would go crazy on you with a coathanger. Moron


truepatriotfreethinker
Comment posted March 2, 2010 @ 12:55 am

I still haven't found it. The video it says has been removed because of policy violation or some crap like that. But, I did find out that it was an interview asking him to explain what he meant by the 'previous interview' with an ABC reporter where he first said, >
The pin saga started on October 3, 2007 when a local ABC reporter asked Obama why he didn’t wear one. Instead of the standard Beltway refrain, “My patriotism speaks for itself,” Obama launched into a long explanation of his decision-making process: “The truth is that right after 9/11, I had a pin. Shortly after 9/11, particularly because as we’re talking about the Iraq war, that became a substitute for, I think, true patriotism, which is speaking out on issues that are of importance to our national security,” Obama said in Cedar Rapids, Iowa. “I decided I won’t wear 'that pin' on my chest.”<<<<<

I will find the second interview about him trying to explain “I decided I won’t wear 'that pin' on my chest.”


truepatriotfreethinker
Comment posted March 2, 2010 @ 12:59 am

You idiots don't believe in God. Your god is in the whitehouse.

When have you ever, EVER heard me deny God?

You deny God by your affiliation with anti-God freeks in the communist-democ~RAT party. If you don't see that now, you may when you grow up, Mentally, if that's possible. What did Winston Churchill have to say about that issue?


truepatriotfreethinker
Comment posted March 2, 2010 @ 1:12 am

The best part of you, your mama thought you were another reccuring case of venerial warts or another venerial disease that moved up into her belly and you oozed out with the puss. She came damn near spitting your would-be twin brother out but it wouldn't have been an identical twin since samples from 20 different donors rarely end up identical, and tonscil pregnancies are also rare.


truepatriotfreethinker
Comment posted March 2, 2010 @ 1:15 am

So you keep saying, prove it!


truepatriotfreethinker
Comment posted March 2, 2010 @ 1:18 am

As you can obviously tell, I'm not a socialist democ~RAT! Therefore, I can't be a NAZI. You must be one though. You are obviously a racist freek.
As well as a moron. But democ~RAT covers it all so sorry to be so rhetorical.


Anonymous
Comment posted March 2, 2010 @ 6:20 am

I just looked up democ~RAT, and there it was!
Moron, Idiot!


Anonymous
Comment posted March 2, 2010 @ 6:23 am

You wrote; “Thanks, but I just cleaned the catbox and have had my fill of ammonia fumes and shit for the evening.

“….have had my fill of ammonia fumes and shit….” ?????

No wonder you people are so “F”-ed up in the head. It’s your diet, as well as your political preferences.


truepatriotfreethinker
Comment posted March 2, 2010 @ 1:39 am

A natural born Kenyan maybe?


Anonymous
Comment posted March 2, 2010 @ 7:03 am

I call idiots idiots all the time, right to their face. My neighbor knows that for sure. She is a democ~RAT too. I’ve been voting for Alan Keyes ever since he first ran in 96. I wasn’t the one who started attacking by language. I came on here first to discuss, and I got attacked right off the bat. It’s you and your ilk who are uncivil. I just don’t back down as you would like. You say I just want it my way. No, I want it the correct way. The internet does make it easy for you punks to attack from a distance, just as you said, but so it seams you are the punk. Nothing has been debunked, nor has it been proven, and that’s the problem. And it would seem that YOU are the one who isn’t interrested in the truth since that is what I and many others are trying to get to. You don’t want to know the truth because you can’t handle the truth. I voted for Keyes, you voted for OBAMA. To me that makes you the bigger idiot since I know that Keyes IS a citizen and I know he ISN’T a communist, and I know he cares about this country and wouldn’t try to make it into something that it wasn’t meant to be. A Socialist nation.

I can see your mentality, or lack thereof, because of how you express yourself and call Orly Taitz=Quote; “Oily Taters”
You expect someone to be civil and can’t refrain from throwing filth yourself.
What if I choose to call Obama, Osama everytime I called him by his name?
Do what you expect, THINK! But that’s impossible for a democ~RAT, so it seems!


Anonymous
Comment posted March 2, 2010 @ 7:09 am

Did you hear me say that? Idiot!
In a republic, the citizens of a state elects its representatives who in turn elects its federal representatives and the president. Are you learning something, Idiot?


Anonymous
Comment posted March 2, 2010 @ 7:15 am

Yea, right, you racist! He’s an idiot which also makes you one by proxy since you voted for him. So, since you were already an idiot before, that has to make you dumber that S***!


Anonymous
Comment posted March 2, 2010 @ 7:16 am

I’ll leave the burning of crosses to you, racist!
Idiot!


Anonymous
Comment posted March 2, 2010 @ 7:18 am

You just need to learn to read, and to comprehend. Moron!


Anonymous
Comment posted March 2, 2010 @ 7:24 am

I don’t pick up easy on the habits of you democ~RATS. Unlike you, some people like me have some ethics and actually have branches on their family tree.


Anonymous
Comment posted March 2, 2010 @ 7:25 am

Are you describing your trailor, excuse me, your mobile home?


Anonymous
Comment posted March 2, 2010 @ 7:26 am

Just as you are!


Anonymous
Comment posted March 2, 2010 @ 7:29 am

Baboon? We aren’t related. All my family members are human. Since you believe in evolution, you’re the baboon, still with no branches on the family tree.


Anonymous
Comment posted March 2, 2010 @ 7:31 am

I’ll leave that to you and your family with the family tree like a telephone pole.


Anonymous
Comment posted March 2, 2010 @ 7:34 am

Kind of like your family. It must be awfull lonesome at family reunions. You could fit them all into a phone booth.


Anonymous
Comment posted March 2, 2010 @ 7:38 am

Ted Kennedy WAS a POS. He was a traitor. Not just because he was a dem, because they found that out for sure when the Soviet Union fell and their documents were released which showed he committed a traitorous act while Ronald Reagan was president. Look it up.


Anonymous
Comment posted March 2, 2010 @ 7:40 am

You must be talking about yourself on that one.


Anonymous
Comment posted March 2, 2010 @ 7:42 am

Look it up. It was on socialist CBS and ABC news for one day.


Anonymous
Comment posted March 2, 2010 @ 7:52 am

Point taken and thanks for being civil about it unlike others on here.
My whole point is if socialism in any of its forms inevitably and definitely leads to a totalitarian system, and it always has, with all people losing their rights to the state, then socialism is a danger to freedom and our future right to vote to decide our public servant leaders. Either take away their rights, if they truly are socialists, or expell them from this country to one that fits their needs.


Anonymous
Comment posted March 2, 2010 @ 9:15 am

Ok, so how are you going to identify the socilists so they can be deported or prevented from voting? Are you going to ask them to self identify? If so, it’s just possible that the people you’re thinking of, don’t think of themselves as socialists. Maybe they work hard for American corproations, send their kids to American schools, have share portfolios etc. If so, the chances are that they don’t realise that by voting for Obama they’re really ‘scoailists out to destrouy the country’….how fiendish of them!

The only other option I can see if you want to ban them is for YOU to decide who gets banned, and then we’re on that slippery slope I referred to earlier. One man deicding who may and may not vote based on ideaology? I fail to see how that is democratic or would lead to a greater America.

If I may remind you of some great founding words of the nation:

“We hold these truths to be self evident; that all men are created equal.”.

Have you heard these words before? If not, I suggest you look them up before you go too far down the dictatorial path you appear to be espousing.

I repeat, we let the idiots bvote, because the alternative (restricting the vote) is inherently evil. No man is an island. If you let someone’s vote be taken away, it is only a matter of time before someone takes yours away. Or as Jesus said ( and I confess I am not a Christian) “Whatsoever you do onto the least of my brothers, that you do on to me.”


Anonymous
Comment posted March 2, 2010 @ 9:32 am

Is that your daily routine?


Anonymous
Comment posted March 2, 2010 @ 9:33 am

You’re doing a good job at that, keep going.


Jim
Comment posted March 2, 2010 @ 8:21 am

Actually, the more people find out about the issue, the more they realize Orly and folks like you are batsh*t crazy. Your numbers just continue to fall.


ellid
Comment posted March 2, 2010 @ 9:52 am

*yawn*

Take your paranoia and hie thee to a mental health hospital.


ellid
Comment posted March 2, 2010 @ 9:52 am

Oh goodie, someone else who thinks there's a GREAT BIG INVISIBLE CONSPIRACY RUNNING EVERYTHING. How *droll*.


ellid
Comment posted March 2, 2010 @ 9:53 am

*yawn*

What next, beam weapons from Lyndon Larouche? You really are a paranoid lunatic, you know.


ellid
Comment posted March 2, 2010 @ 9:55 am

My last MRI revealed no abnormalities in my brain tissue, including reduced size. It was rather interesting, actually, even if the full frontal shot of the eyeballs was unpleasantly reminiscent of those Visible Woman things they used to have in science museums.


ellid
Comment posted March 2, 2010 @ 9:59 am

Hayworth seemed to be admitting that he brought up the whole topic for ratings. What a cynical little person he is.


ellid
Comment posted March 2, 2010 @ 10:01 am

*adds “anti-Semite” to list of downchecks for this poster*

What's next, a link to the Protocols of the Elders of Zion? Holocaust denial? Your secret shrine to Adolf Hitler's disembodied head?


ellid
Comment posted March 2, 2010 @ 10:03 am

Why are you decrying practices indulged in by God-fearing, upstanding, 100% red-blooded Christian Americans like Larry Craig and Ted Haggard?


ellid
Comment posted March 2, 2010 @ 10:03 am

You are a teacher the way I am an astronaut.


ellid
Comment posted March 2, 2010 @ 10:04 am

You need to reread The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, since it seems you flunked high school history class. *pats ignorant little racist on the head and sends him off to the playroom*


ellid
Comment posted March 2, 2010 @ 10:06 am

If you keep looking for something that doesn't exist, can you find Superman's Fortress of Solitude as well? KTHX.


ellid
Comment posted March 2, 2010 @ 10:07 am

*yawns*

Keep thinking that. I'm sure it comforts the baked potato that the transplant surgeons used to replace your heart.


ellid
Comment posted March 2, 2010 @ 10:08 am

That's because snopes.com is correct and you are a paranoid liar.


Anonymous
Comment posted March 2, 2010 @ 3:09 pm

Your every word and action that stems from hatred, lies, and bigotry denies God. You are pitiable.


Anonymous
Comment posted March 2, 2010 @ 3:10 pm

*adds “hates women” to list of poster’s sins*


Anonymous
Comment posted March 2, 2010 @ 3:10 pm

Already done over a year ago. Why do you hate reality so much that you prefer living in a paranoid nightmare?


Anonymous
Comment posted March 2, 2010 @ 3:12 pm

If you’re so stupid you didn’t realize I was comparing your “information” to the contents of my cats’ litterbox, you are beyond help.


Anonymous
Comment posted March 2, 2010 @ 3:16 pm

Me? Oh no. I fall right into bed and sleep very well indeed, without drugs, racist fantasies, and condescension.

You, on the other hand…..


Anonymous
Comment posted March 2, 2010 @ 3:16 pm

You certainly don’t seem to be in favor of such a system.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted March 2, 2010 @ 10:40 am

I wonder if these people would waste their time and energy posting all of this crap if they knew it was actually never read? Oh, wait. I'm sure that they read it over and over and over and over again.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted March 2, 2010 @ 10:41 am

I don't go to communist links.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted March 2, 2010 @ 10:41 am

another commie propoganda link. Just a waste of bandwidth.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted March 2, 2010 @ 10:44 am

No, I think that 'they' are trying to distance themselves from nutcases such as yourself and Orly.


katahdin
Comment posted March 2, 2010 @ 10:48 am

So if people make fun of Orly in the media that's a human rights atrocity. Tiger Woods had better get himself to the UN right away, along with Paris Hilton and Kate Gosselin.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted March 2, 2010 @ 10:51 am

Had I actually attempted to read everything you posted, I would have needed to wake up at the end. Was this your manifesto?


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted March 2, 2010 @ 10:54 am

I'd have to categorize you in with the America Haters. Man! Just makes me SOOOOO mad that our government allows people like you to have free speech.


bearclaw
Comment posted March 2, 2010 @ 11:19 am

I knew you couldn't find it. And I also know that you will never admit that Obama never said it. You believed it because you read it on a frightwing website. Now you will come up with some conspiracy theory about how Obama has had it “scrubbed” from the web.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted March 2, 2010 @ 11:28 am

“And yes I capitolized”
“And year I taught”

Given the level of illiteracy of your posts (and even the name you post), I hope you're lying. My guess is you're a lonely, pathetic drunk with more spare time than common sense.

“trying to teach morons”
And ironic too. Nice touch, dumbass.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted March 2, 2010 @ 11:40 am

“if it fits in you pea sized brains”

More irony. Keep the laughs coming. Did your brain not have enough memory left to spell “your” correctly?


bearclaw
Comment posted March 2, 2010 @ 12:29 pm

The First Amendment is the rope our Constitution gives to people like this self-annointed “patriot” so they might publicly hang themselves.


Anonymous
Comment posted March 2, 2010 @ 5:37 pm

Still waiting. Where is that video of Obama, supporting your claim? Ready to admit you were wrong?

And if you are going to claim that Obama had it scrubbed from the internet, please explain exactly how he could accomplish that. After all, all it takes is one person copying the video file to their hard drive, and they can upload it back to the internet in seconds. So where is it?


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted March 2, 2010 @ 12:39 pm

Pathetic birfer idiots. When they run out of deranged conspiracy theories and cognitive dissonance gets too painful, they throw up their hands in resignation like cowards screaming nothing can be done rather own up to the relevant facts, legal authority and obvious truth. These trash heaps are an embarrassment to the U.S.

And Hayworth was an opportunist who got scared when he realized the level of delusion and paranoia of the idiotic fringe with which he was being tagged.


jayhg
Comment posted March 2, 2010 @ 4:38 pm

NOT-AXJ's reply to justanamerican: “Had I actually attempted to read everything you posted, I would have needed to wake up at the end…”

Not-AXJ, that was too funny!!!


jayhg
Comment posted March 2, 2010 @ 4:39 pm

justanasshole, nobody is going to read all that birfer bullshit……..your fingers are all tired and bruised and your head exploded for nothing……….


jayhg
Comment posted March 2, 2010 @ 4:43 pm

justanasshole, you are a REAL NUTTY BIRFER, aren't you? I mean, for you to take someone making fun of oily titz and take THAT to mean that it somehow PROVES that oily is right (he said PROVES, people), is all the way live birfer crazyiness! But you are entertaining – I keep telling birfers that so that they don't go away. I buy popcorn when I come onto these threads and make fun of you birfers……..


Jim
Comment posted March 2, 2010 @ 7:00 pm

NEWS FLASH!!! Obama to Flash the country…

After showing every possible ID and document for his entire life, Blowers still weren't satisfied that President Obama was a Natural Born citizen. They claimed the final proof was in his pants. Now, they want to see for themselves whether Obama was circumcised. They refuse to even take the word of Obama's Dr., since he is on Obama's payroll and Larry Sinclair said he wasn't.

Tonight at 8 pm, at the University of Michigan Stadium in front of 100,000 fans, President Obama drop his pants and show the world! And, of course, the blowers still aren't satisfied. But, they have no problem
1) Taking away voting rights
2) Overturning elections
3) Comparing our President with every vile person in history they can think of
4) Talking about overthrowing our country
5) generally being a waste of good air
6) Not being true americans

Entertaining watching the delusional fall into the abyss. Keep following Orly and kiss your a$$ goodbye.


justanamercan
Comment posted March 2, 2010 @ 8:26 pm

What is your point of this steaming pile of horse crap, bsides showing that you live in the lowest level of the the gutter.


truepatriotfreethinker
Comment posted March 2, 2010 @ 9:24 pm

Whew! You morons haven't grown up one bit since yesterday. You keep talking about Obama's pecker. Sounds like you have a freekishly unsavory fetish for nasty ol' uncircumcized illegal alien goobers. can you say that 3 times fast with your mouth full?


truepatriotfreethinker
Comment posted March 2, 2010 @ 9:26 pm

Sorry, I don't have a DNC membership card. They wouldn't let me in.


truepatriotfreethinker
Comment posted March 2, 2010 @ 9:35 pm

Funny thing, you seem to be reading it. Maybe you're having it read to you.
Socialists want everyone equal. Like spreading the wealth (just like your little tin god Obama said/So Did Karl Marx!) they want to dumb us all down to the level of a democ~RAT's mentality and empty our pockets just to match our little pea-brain democ~RAT minds.


truepatriotfreethinker
Comment posted March 2, 2010 @ 9:39 pm

With Socialists, everything is a conspiracy! To have everything put into place so they can spread the wealth…..right into their pockets.

Spread the wealth; Sponsored by Obama & co./co-written by Karl Marx


truepatriotfreethinker
Comment posted March 2, 2010 @ 9:40 pm

So you haven't been to Obama's website? How unpatriotic of you comrade!


truepatriotfreethinker
Comment posted March 2, 2010 @ 9:42 pm

Wrong qualifications. He already said he's not a democ~RAT!


truepatriotfreethinker
Comment posted March 2, 2010 @ 9:51 pm

That's what I said. This must be what you're talking about…. http://www.barackobama.com PS: Sshhh! The com after the dot secretly stands for commie comrade barackobama stands for spread the wealth www stands for the drooling sounds of the idiots who believe in him and his communist manifesto, co-written by Karl Marx and Obama's good buddy, the communist domestic terrorist Bill Ayers who likes wiping his feet on the American flag. Good choice of friends and mentors.


truepatriotfreethinker
Comment posted March 2, 2010 @ 10:00 pm

You wrote; “These trash heaps are an embarrassment to the U.S.”

So all the hard work is paying off for us and you're finally seeing the light about the democ~RATS being full fledged morons, and Rahm Emanuel's assessment of the dems as “F”-ing retards? Sweet!


truepatriotfreethinker
Comment posted March 2, 2010 @ 10:08 pm

Actually, even more people are aware of the situation and are saying that Obama should just prove it if he's really eligible, but they don't think that anyone has the nads to do anything about it. So they are going to stailmate his illegal but in November with a Conservative controlled house and possibly the senate too.


justanamberican
Comment posted March 2, 2010 @ 10:09 pm

What is your paranoia wiith mental hospitals and meds. You sick loons seem to know plenty about these things, from personal experience. Did you buddy Obamby come visit you??? Maybe Queen Nancy, or HorseThief Harry, cam visit. Jee No one came!! How sad!!! Oh that will change when you get Obamby Death Care passed????


justanamerican
Comment posted March 2, 2010 @ 10:16 pm

Check out this website. It describes all the things that he has for his favorite supporters will recieve: http://www.barackobamassecretagenda.com


truepatriotfreethinker
Comment posted March 2, 2010 @ 10:20 pm

All of those items were moved to the oral office when Obama made room for them after giving the bust statue of Winston Churchill, a gift to the U.S. after 9/11, back to the British prime minister. See what Obama thinks about anti-communists and statues honoring them? Ask Jeremiah Wright about holocaust denial. Better yet, ask Obama since he heard it every day from Wright for 20 years straight.


justanamerican
Comment posted March 2, 2010 @ 10:21 pm

You sound more like a bunch of spoiled brat teenagers, that their mommy never told them to that they need to keep their mouth shut, before they stick both feet in. Oh maybe they learned that trick from their fearless VP, that can tickle his tonsels with all 10 toes at the same time


truepatriotfreethinker
Comment posted March 2, 2010 @ 10:25 pm

Don't worry, Obama is working on the Free Speech issue too I'm sure, along with the illegal healthcare issue. Before long, you won't have to hear from me and I thankfully won't have to hear you bitch about being wrong about Obama and his commie mama.


justanamerican
Comment posted March 2, 2010 @ 10:30 pm

I bet you read every word and check every link. You just can't wait until the next piece of intellegent information is posted so you can learn something new since all you morons have is you standard lines fed to you by King Obamby and his minion or thugs and all the D-crap bleedship in Congress. I bet you have the same problem that your fearless leader on MSNBC, Chirs Mathews. He gets so excited that he tinkles down his leg. Must be quite uncomfortable for you when that happens.


Anonymous
Comment posted March 3, 2010 @ 3:34 am

Bad example. Astronauts use diapers as do democ~RATS.
I won’t finish this one. It’s too easy. Like Obama’s mama.


justanamerican
Comment posted March 2, 2010 @ 10:34 pm

So what kind of links do you go to?? Or maybe you don't go to any of the links, because since you were educated (indactrinated) in the government schools, you have to have someone read it for you.


justanamercan
Comment posted March 2, 2010 @ 10:40 pm

You morons seem to know alot about meds and mental hospitals. Did you just get released from one? Someone must have read your charts wrong, because you were not ready to be released. You still show too many symtoms of you mental disease called LIBERLISM>


Anonymous
Comment posted March 3, 2010 @ 3:40 am

Actually, history was my major, you moron.
That’s why you are a NAZI and refuse to believe it. You never learned what a NAZI was. National Socialist…..Look it up! In your house, the sections describing socialism and NAZI are the pages stuck together.

Pat yourself on the head you pathetic racist moron, everyone else does when they are through with you.


justanamerican
Comment posted March 2, 2010 @ 10:44 pm

I may mispell some words, but at least I can think and write coherent thoughts that are my own. Most of you morons can't comprehend anyhing that is more than 2 incoherent sentences, filled with 4 letter words.


justanamerican
Comment posted March 2, 2010 @ 10:49 pm

You are right. You don't read anything or maybe can't read, because if you read that article you would find out that it has nothing to do with Obamby or birther. It has to do with a topic that that you morons, do not have a clue about. It deals with the topic that may just destroy this nation, and you idiots will go down to.


justanamerican
Comment posted March 2, 2010 @ 10:52 pm

They real problem is that you are asleep or can't read. Just shows that the Government schools are failiing.


Anonymous
Comment posted March 3, 2010 @ 3:53 am

Actually, all anyone needs to do is read the above statement by Obama. It says all we need to hear. But I will find it for you. And if I was mistaken, I will admit that I am wrong on THAT.

But judge his statement for yourself and see what you think he meant.
Obama said in Cedar Rapids, Iowa, “The truth is that right after 9/11, I had a pin. Shortly after 9/11, particularly because as we’re talking about the Iraq war, that became a substitute for, I think, true patriotism, which is speaking out on issues that are of importance to our national security.” “I decided I won’t wear ‘that pin’ on my chest.”

That says volumes about him to me, I’m sure it does to you as well even though you are too afraid to admit it.


Anonymous
Comment posted March 3, 2010 @ 3:53 am

Actually, all anyone needs to do is read the above statement by Obama. It says all we need to hear. But I will find it for you. And if I was mistaken, I will admit that I am wrong on THAT.

But judge his statement for yourself and see what you think he meant.
Obama said in Cedar Rapids, Iowa, “The truth is that right after 9/11, I had a pin. Shortly after 9/11, particularly because as we’re talking about the Iraq war, that became a substitute for, I think, true patriotism, which is speaking out on issues that are of importance to our national security.” “I decided I won’t wear ‘that pin’ on my chest.”

That says volumes about him to me, I’m sure it does to you as well even though you are too afraid to admit it.


justanamerican
Comment posted March 2, 2010 @ 10:56 pm

I though all you left wing loons do not like the word tea baggers. Aren't you calling some of you Gay buddies a bad name???? Or is that what you and your Gay buddies call yourselves???


Anonymous
Comment posted March 3, 2010 @ 3:57 am

I will look for that as well, but don’t you have a bathroom of your own?
You know, the place where millions of little democ~RATS are aborted and flushed every day.


Anonymous
Comment posted March 3, 2010 @ 3:57 am

I will look for that as well, but don’t you have a bathroom of your own?
You know, the place where millions of little democ~RATS are aborted and flushed every day.


justanamerican
Comment posted March 2, 2010 @ 10:59 pm

You should know better than I, why don't you ask Adolf Obamby??


Anonymous
Comment posted March 3, 2010 @ 4:03 am

Beats having to get a colonoscopy tube stuck in your mouth, as you democ~RATS do, which is the easiest route to get to where your troubles lie.


Anonymous
Comment posted March 3, 2010 @ 4:03 am

Beats having to get a colonoscopy tube stuck in your mouth, as you democ~RATS do, which is the easiest route to get to where your troubles lie.


Anonymous
Comment posted March 3, 2010 @ 4:05 am

So that would make you a real, genuine TEA-BAGGER ; ) since you like mentioning that so much. I bet you are the life of the party when you pass out.


Anonymous
Comment posted March 3, 2010 @ 4:05 am

So that would make you a real, genuine TEA-BAGGER ; ) since you like mentioning that so much. I bet you are the life of the party when you pass out.


Anonymous
Comment posted March 3, 2010 @ 4:09 am

If it’s soooo right, ask it to tell you where Obama was born, as in which hospital he was born in. It already changed since last year since Obama changed his mind on where exactly that was. Wackypedia also changed theirs.


Anonymous
Comment posted March 3, 2010 @ 4:09 am

If it’s soooo right, ask it to tell you where Obama was born, as in which hospital he was born in. It already changed since last year since Obama changed his mind on where exactly that was. Wackypedia also changed theirs.


justanamerican
Comment posted March 2, 2010 @ 11:16 pm

Do you really thinl they could say that real fast 3 times with their mouth full. I bet they couldn't say it 3 times with nothing in their mouth, no make that 2 times, no make that 1 time, no I don't think they could say that once with out tripping over that big organ known as the tongue


justanamerican
Comment posted March 2, 2010 @ 11:20 pm

Wait unitil some of those conspiracy's kick you right square in you A$$, and knock you face down in some of Obamby's nice pile of Horse S**t that he has ready for you!!!


Anonymous
Comment posted March 3, 2010 @ 4:23 am

Bearing false witness will also send you to democ~RAT hell, where it’s probably colder there also due to “global warming.” Fricking morons! A Bigot is what you are, you racist, fascist bigot! You’ve never heard me lie, and I only hate fascist bastards.


Anonymous
Comment posted March 3, 2010 @ 4:23 am

Bearing false witness will also send you to democ~RAT hell, where it’s probably colder there also due to “global warming.” Fricking morons! A Bigot is what you are, you racist, fascist bigot! You’ve never heard me lie, and I only hate fascist bastards.


Anonymous
Comment posted March 3, 2010 @ 4:31 am

Sorry to hear that. When did you realize that you hate women so much and are such a flamer? I heard that about you democ~RATS. Are you also a cereal killer? Do you like to pour milk over your victims and wear hot red lipstick? Quid Pro Quo, Clarice!


Anonymous
Comment posted March 3, 2010 @ 4:31 am

Sorry to hear that. When did you realize that you hate women so much and are such a flamer? I heard that about you democ~RATS. Are you also a cereal killer? Do you like to pour milk over your victims and wear hot red lipstick? Quid Pro Quo, Clarice!


Anonymous
Comment posted March 3, 2010 @ 4:38 am

Nothing has been proven, that’s why the issue won’t be settled until we are proven to have been wrong, and that ain’t going to happen! tell Obama to settle the issue and release his “Birth Certificate” and his records which state he registered as a foreign born student applicant who applied for and used money under those pretense.


Anonymous
Comment posted March 3, 2010 @ 4:38 am

Nothing has been proven, that’s why the issue won’t be settled until we are proven to have been wrong, and that ain’t going to happen! tell Obama to settle the issue and release his “Birth Certificate” and his records which state he registered as a foreign born student applicant who applied for and used money under those pretense.


Anonymous
Comment posted March 3, 2010 @ 4:55 am

Yep! And I’ve seen your backwards-assed world on the other side and it’s not a pretty sight. Don’t go towards the light little munchkin democ~RAT, it’s really democ~RAT hell!
Democ~RAT Hell is finally seeing the light, as in realizing their whole world is a lie.


Anonymous
Comment posted March 3, 2010 @ 4:55 am

Yep! And I’ve seen your backwards-assed world on the other side and it’s not a pretty sight. Don’t go towards the light little munchkin democ~RAT, it’s really democ~RAT hell!
Democ~RAT Hell is finally seeing the light, as in realizing their whole world is a lie.


Anonymous
Comment posted March 3, 2010 @ 5:01 am

So you voted for Obama just to ‘prove’ to the blacks in your family that you aren’t a racist. What did you do, tell too many off color jokes at the family reunion?

I know I’m not a racist either even though you keep calling me one, but I don’t have to prove anything. You seem to be the one with some kind of pent up racism that you need to cover for by voting for a black, just to prove something to someone, and one who just happens to be a socialist.


Anonymous
Comment posted March 3, 2010 @ 5:01 am

So you voted for Obama just to ‘prove’ to the blacks in your family that you aren’t a racist. What did you do, tell too many off color jokes at the family reunion?

I know I’m not a racist either even though you keep calling me one, but I don’t have to prove anything. You seem to be the one with some kind of pent up racism that you need to cover for by voting for a black, just to prove something to someone, and one who just happens to be a socialist.


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Anonymous
Comment posted March 3, 2010 @ 5:18 am

I “proved” that many years ago when I said “I do”. I don”t care what your opinion is, however I must tell you, your posts have been getting more incomprehensible and your spelling has gotten worse. I think you need to go to the hospital right away. It is very possible you have had a stroke. I’m serious. You should get checked.


Anonymous
Comment posted March 3, 2010 @ 5:37 am

You need to get out more often and watch credible news sources.
The United States had to secretly ferry the “yellow-cake uranium” out of the country to avoid the plane from being shot down as it was leaving Iraq. If you idiots didn’t hate our troops so much you would talk to them and they would tell you everything.
The “yellow-cake uranium” was brought to the United States for disposal after independent source tests had confirmed its origin(s). That was in 2008. Look it up on the socialist news sources Associated Press and Reuters.


Anonymous
Comment posted March 3, 2010 @ 5:37 am

You need to get out more often and watch credible news sources.
The United States had to secretly ferry the “yellow-cake uranium” out of the country to avoid the plane from being shot down as it was leaving Iraq. If you idiots didn’t hate our troops so much you would talk to them and they would tell you everything.
The “yellow-cake uranium” was brought to the United States for disposal after independent source tests had confirmed its origin(s). That was in 2008. Look it up on the socialist news sources Associated Press and Reuters.


Anonymous
Comment posted March 3, 2010 @ 6:23 am

Colin Powell named off an arbitrary number of $30billion. When other countries started to criticize the U.S. as being such a rich country and offering such a low amount. He (Powell) then said he meant $330billion, so the dollar amount had to be approved so we wouldn’t look like selfish Americans, since we were already being criticized by countries like France, Germany and get this, Lybia and IRAN. All the other countries in the world together who donated to the countries affected by the tsunami, barely broke the original $30billion donation assertion made by Powell.

On the Katrina issue;
Bush tried to send FEMA into Louisiana and New Orleans but the (D) governor Mrs. Blanco, and (Mr. Chocolate City) Mayor of New Orleans Ray Nagan denied help because they hated Bush.
The federal and the city plan was always to use city transit and city school busses for transporting citizens out of the city if there were ever an emergency and the people who had no transportation had no other way out. The busses were parked in their lots rather than on the elevated roadways leading out of the city.
Brown did do a good job in Mississippi and Alabama where the storm actually hit hard and scalped the coast for several miles inland.
The people of Louisiana knew Blanco’s decision not to allow FEMA in was purely political, and they voted her butt right out of office soon after. That’s a fact! Ask anyone from Louisiana and Mississippi. I know that for a fact.
The Army Corps of Engineers always said the levees would hold back the water surge of a cat. 4 storm but coudn’t promise anything beyond that.
Many people had the opportunity to leave but decided to stay rather than leave. “Some” planned to loot the stores but didn’t think what happened would actually happen. Since the evac plan hadn’t been followed, they couldn’t allow rioting looters and several hundred thousand citizens just to trapse across the state where many homes and stores were evacuated and there was no electricity.

No-one lied about the WMD’s. You were lied to.

If it WERE customary to bow to foreign dignitaries, then why didn’t Obama bow to the queen of England when he went there first? He went to France and didn’t bow to their president. He went to Germany and didn’t bow to theirs either. He got caught on camera bowing subserviantly low to the Saudi king. He met many other world leaders there at that forum, but didn’t bow to anyone else. He had to cover himself and later bow to the Japanese emperor like bowing was customary. What about the queen of England???


Anonymous
Comment posted March 3, 2010 @ 6:23 am

Colin Powell named off an arbitrary number of $30billion. When other countries started to criticize the U.S. as being such a rich country and offering such a low amount. He (Powell) then said he meant $330billion, so the dollar amount had to be approved so we wouldn’t look like selfish Americans, since we were already being criticized by countries like France, Germany and get this, Lybia and IRAN. All the other countries in the world together who donated to the countries affected by the tsunami, barely broke the original $30billion donation assertion made by Powell.

On the Katrina issue;
Bush tried to send FEMA into Louisiana and New Orleans but the (D) governor Mrs. Blanco, and (Mr. Chocolate City) Mayor of New Orleans Ray Nagan denied help because they hated Bush.
The federal and the city plan was always to use city transit and city school busses for transporting citizens out of the city if there were ever an emergency and the people who had no transportation had no other way out. The busses were parked in their lots rather than on the elevated roadways leading out of the city.
Brown did do a good job in Mississippi and Alabama where the storm actually hit hard and scalped the coast for several miles inland.
The people of Louisiana knew Blanco’s decision not to allow FEMA in was purely political, and they voted her butt right out of office soon after. That’s a fact! Ask anyone from Louisiana and Mississippi. I know that for a fact.
The Army Corps of Engineers always said the levees would hold back the water surge of a cat. 4 storm but coudn’t promise anything beyond that.
Many people had the opportunity to leave but decided to stay rather than leave. “Some” planned to loot the stores but didn’t think what happened would actually happen. Since the evac plan hadn’t been followed, they couldn’t allow rioting looters and several hundred thousand citizens just to trapse across the state where many homes and stores were evacuated and there was no electricity.

No-one lied about the WMD’s. You were lied to.

If it WERE customary to bow to foreign dignitaries, then why didn’t Obama bow to the queen of England when he went there first? He went to France and didn’t bow to their president. He went to Germany and didn’t bow to theirs either. He got caught on camera bowing subserviantly low to the Saudi king. He met many other world leaders there at that forum, but didn’t bow to anyone else. He had to cover himself and later bow to the Japanese emperor like bowing was customary. What about the queen of England???


Anonymous
Comment posted March 3, 2010 @ 6:28 am

You voted for Obama and he was the biggest mouth, blow hard in the entire campaign.


Anonymous
Comment posted March 3, 2010 @ 6:37 am

If you remember correctly, Slick Willy slicked his way out of the “Whitewater” scam. The accusations by different women of Clinton’s unprofessional conduct and sexual harassment was the start of the issue. He did it to himself. Do you remember his assertion and his finger pointing at your face, “I did not have sexual relations with that woman!”???? If Monica hadn’t blabbed to one of her friends about the BJ in the oval office, and saved the dress with the evidence, you people would still be saying that he never lied about anything, at all, whatsoever!


Anonymous
Comment posted March 3, 2010 @ 6:37 am

If you remember correctly, Slick Willy slicked his way out of the “Whitewater” scam. The accusations by different women of Clinton’s unprofessional conduct and sexual harassment was the start of the issue. He did it to himself. Do you remember his assertion and his finger pointing at your face, “I did not have sexual relations with that woman!”???? If Monica hadn’t blabbed to one of her friends about the BJ in the oval office, and saved the dress with the evidence, you people would still be saying that he never lied about anything, at all, whatsoever!


Anonymous
Comment posted March 3, 2010 @ 6:44 am

No-one on here and surely not me has tried to cram their religion down your throats. You people make up so much crap and carry it from one extreme to another. But the people whom you have allied yourself with, will make your women wear burkas, and will cut off your heads for your disbelief and your seditious beliefs contrary to alah.


Anonymous
Comment posted March 3, 2010 @ 6:44 am

No-one on here and surely not me has tried to cram their religion down your throats. You people make up so much crap and carry it from one extreme to another. But the people whom you have allied yourself with, will make your women wear burkas, and will cut off your heads for your disbelief and your seditious beliefs contrary to alah.


Anonymous
Comment posted March 3, 2010 @ 7:05 am

So let me get this straight. American oil companies control the prices of crued oil all over the world, being supplied to various countries and from the supplying countries???? American companies decide the wholesale price per gallon on refined crude oil. OPEC decides the price of the produced and transported crude, and the agreed production rate. OPEC is a board where its members vote a majority decision. OPEC = Oil Producing Exporting Countries.
The speculators drove up the price of American produced crude prices and the wholesale price of refined. Since OPEC agreed to decrease production and allow the bartered price per barrel to increase, they controlled the price. If OPEC had voted to increase production the market would have benn flooded with cheaper oil. OPEC controls the prices by the supply. Speculators work the price up due to the low volume and increased demand.
OPEC was behind it, and Saudi Arabia was the swing vote on the decision to increase the prices by lowering output. Venezuela and Russia were 2 of the votes to drive up the price.


Anonymous
Comment posted March 3, 2010 @ 7:05 am

So let me get this straight. American oil companies control the prices of crued oil all over the world, being supplied to various countries and from the supplying countries???? American companies decide the wholesale price per gallon on refined crude oil. OPEC decides the price of the produced and transported crude, and the agreed production rate. OPEC is a board where its members vote a majority decision. OPEC = Oil Producing Exporting Countries.
The speculators drove up the price of American produced crude prices and the wholesale price of refined. Since OPEC agreed to decrease production and allow the bartered price per barrel to increase, they controlled the price. If OPEC had voted to increase production the market would have benn flooded with cheaper oil. OPEC controls the prices by the supply. Speculators work the price up due to the low volume and increased demand.
OPEC was behind it, and Saudi Arabia was the swing vote on the decision to increase the prices by lowering output. Venezuela and Russia were 2 of the votes to drive up the price.


truepatriotfreethinker
Comment posted March 3, 2010 @ 2:59 am

We are Tea-Party and the Tea-Partiers. We are patriots who love our country and the priciples it was founded on by the 'Founding Fathers' and by their original intent.

“You” are the “teabaggers” since that's your national pastime sport at the DNC and as a democ~RAT party member.

Norman Thomas (1884-1968) six-time U.S. Presidential candidate for the Socialist Party of America
Norman Thomas Quote:
“The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under
the name of 'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist
program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without
knowing how it happened.” – from an interview during the presidential campaign, -1948
Membership in the Marxist SPA,
In 1922 Thomas became co-director of the League for Industrial Democracy. Later, he was one of the founders of the National Civil Liberties Bureau (the precursor of the American Civil Liberties Union),
An articulate and engaging spokesman for democratic socialism,
Worked together with the Communist Party USA in joint Popular Front activities,
Admitted the Workers Party of the United States,
Endorsed World War II revisionism,
He championed many seemingly unrelated progressive causes, while leaving unstated the essence of his political and economic philosophy,
Thomas' 80th birthday in 1964 was marked by a well-publicized gala at the Hotel Astor in Manhattan. At the event Thomas called for a cease-fire in Vietnam and read birthday telegrams from Hubert Humphrey, Earl Warren, and Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.,
Thomas died on December 19, 1968.
But not before in that same year he managed to convince most members of the SPA (Socialist Party of America), the CPA (Communist Party of America) and the ANP (American NAZI Party) to reexamine their common purposes. He convinced them of their combined failure to run a successful national election and to join together with the more successful SPA, uniting under the banner of the Democrat party.


Anonymous
Comment posted March 3, 2010 @ 9:03 am

What are you babbling about again?
I think that I could go back over the posts and come up with a few misspellings by you, who are obviously so perfect that you had to vote for a black socialist just to prove to your newfound black family that you aren’t really a racist. What is your rank? Have you shed the white sheets and earned your purple sheets by burning crosses and feel that you have something to prove to someone again? You need a therapist. I know it is depressing though that there are very few Grand Dragons left any more. Davis Duke is alive and well. Robert Byrd will soon follow John Murtha. You must be depressed that you and your Grand Dragon crew are a diminishing breed. I haven’t had a stroke, just laughing at how stupid you people are. You support socialism without even realizing it…Or maybe you do??? What flavor of socialism do you prefer? NAZI or Commie???? You aren’t one of those Klan members who carries a NAZI flag, are you? You must care about my opinion since you seem to think that ever time you address me, is like you are smacking me. You can use the spellchecker all you want and it still won’t change the fact that your opinions come from a moronic, deep down racist. I’ve tried to converse nicely but you seem to think that being nice will not get you anywhere. You’re right about that. I know your opinions and philosophies are wrong. You will never change my stance on politics and I know I can never teach a retarded person calculus. Which is why when we get into a tug-of-war keyboard shouting match, you come up with the smelly, brown end of the stick.
You always will!
I’m not easy on fools or racists.
Take an aspirin for those heart palpitations.
Can’t we all just get along?
Probably not.


truepatriotfreethinker
Comment posted March 3, 2010 @ 4:24 am

Democ~RATS seem to get alot of things freekishly wrong.
Monica=Harmonica
Harmonica=Mouth Organ
Monica=Mouth Organ
Illegal Alien Usurper=Mouth Organ
They all seem to think that organs equate to the mouth somehow.
But that ain't sex!


Anonymous
Comment posted March 3, 2010 @ 9:29 am

You are truly insane aren’t you? Add that to the fact that you can’t comprehend what you read. Go back and read again. Did I say anything about “new found” (two words, not one)? No, sure didn’t. We are proudly grandparents now. But you start sounding more confused all the time. And paranoid and like you must certainly have high blood pressure. I think there is something wrong with you. I was being nice when I suggested a stroke. Better than paranoid schizophrenic. Which you must be if there is no medical excuse like a stroke. But then we will be rid of you sooner. Won’t hurt my feelings.

By the way, the “yellow cake uranium” you referred to was not weapons grade and was in Iraq legally. They had purchased it legally and the US and others knew it was there. No WMD!


Anonymous
Comment posted March 3, 2010 @ 9:29 am

You are truly insane aren’t you? Add that to the fact that you can’t comprehend what you read. Go back and read again. Did I say anything about “new found” (two words, not one)? No, sure didn’t. We are proudly grandparents now. But you start sounding more confused all the time. And paranoid and like you must certainly have high blood pressure. I think there is something wrong with you. I was being nice when I suggested a stroke. Better than paranoid schizophrenic. Which you must be if there is no medical excuse like a stroke. But then we will be rid of you sooner. Won’t hurt my feelings.

By the way, the “yellow cake uranium” you referred to was not weapons grade and was in Iraq legally. They had purchased it legally and the US and others knew it was there. No WMD!


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted March 3, 2010 @ 9:04 am

Wow. The idiotic, angry, bigoted birfers have vented more of their pathetic, OCD stupidity. Big surprise.
These crap for brains, deranged, trolling losers will help assure so many victories for Democrats. True conservatives must be seething to have these loudmouth sociopaths ranting on and on especially since they've known beyond a doubt for a very long time that there never was an issue.

No wonder Hayworth and others backtrack when they realize it's political suicide to be associated with these treasonous, paranoid lunatics.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted March 3, 2010 @ 9:07 am

Here's why:

“And year (sic) I taught in those Government Schools, for many years, trying to teach morons like you something.”
- justanamerican


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted March 3, 2010 @ 9:08 am

Indoctrinated by a paranoid, lying, incompetent POS like you?

“And year (sic) I taught in those Government Schools, for many years, trying to teach morons like you something.”
- justanamerican


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted March 3, 2010 @ 9:13 am

The burden of proof is on the accuser, dumbass.

The state of Hawaii is the legal authority and has proven our President is a natural born citizen.

You are no one, irrelevant and you've got nothing.

“So they are going to stailmate his illegal but in November with a Conservative controlled house and possibly the senate too.”

Was that English? You really are an idiot. Keep it up.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted March 3, 2010 @ 9:14 am

Malware alert.


katahdin
Comment posted March 3, 2010 @ 9:25 am

Is it just possible that truepatriotfreethinker and justanamerican may be the same person?


katahdin
Comment posted March 3, 2010 @ 9:33 am

That's quite a pile of rambling nonsense. It reminds me of the Unibomber's manifesto. I wonder if he has computer in prison.
Timothy McVeigh would so be a birther.


ellid
Comment posted March 3, 2010 @ 10:48 am

Why would I want to waste my precious time on this earth reading blatant and knowing lies?


ellid
Comment posted March 3, 2010 @ 10:49 am

Disgusting.


ellid
Comment posted March 3, 2010 @ 10:50 am

*backs slowly away from the rabid beast and calls Animal Control*


ellid
Comment posted March 3, 2010 @ 10:51 am

And thank God for it. The last thing a major American political party needs is an angry bigot showing up and screaming at people.


ellid
Comment posted March 3, 2010 @ 10:52 am

I think it's more than possible.


ellid
Comment posted March 3, 2010 @ 10:53 am

Wrong on all counts.


Anonymous
Comment posted March 3, 2010 @ 5:50 pm

Wow. So you want us to believe in the International Jewish Banking Conspiracy?

There are more errors in this post than I could possible correct. But let’s just deal with two:

(1) The Bank of England is not “owned by the Rothschilds.” The Bank is wholly-owned by the government, but accountable to Parliament. The entire capital of the Bank is, in fact, held by the Treasury solicitor on behalf of Her Majesty’s Treasury.

(2) The Federal Reserve also is “privately owned” only in the sense that the stockholders in the 12 regional Federal Reserve Banks are the banks regulated by the system. Those banks are required by law to invest a set percentage of their capital in the stock of the Federal Reserve banks. They can’t sell the stock. All that gets them is some dividends and a minority voice (five votes out of twelve) on the Federal Open Market Committee. The remaining seven votes are members of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve, who are appointed by the President and confirmed by the Senate.

Yes, lots of our tax dollars go to paying interest on the national debt. It would have been nice if some of you had been raising your concerns about our deficits when Bush and Cheney and the Republican Congress were spending us into oblivion to support their wars.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted March 3, 2010 @ 1:21 pm

Keep your twisted fantasies to yourself, Larry.


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Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted March 3, 2010 @ 2:12 pm

Thank you ! ! ! Your check from the DNC is in the mail.

It's so nice you finally realized the inanity and futility behind the idiotic questions of our President's Article II, Section 1 eligibility status.

Thank you so much ! ! !


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Your fascination with homosexuality is a cry for help.


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Your fascination with homosexuality is a cry for help.


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katahdin
Comment posted March 3, 2010 @ 2:22 pm

Why would I? I already know about his supersecret agenda to turn everybody Muslim, Athiest, Marxist, gay and left-handed. He's so scrary. It's what makes him dreamy.
Oh and he wants to enslave the white race by making all the white women marry black men. Dreamy!


Anonymous
Comment posted March 3, 2010 @ 7:36 pm

So the sum total of your argument is to label Democrats as commie socialist pinkos, and the Tea Party as patriots. Great. I hope you feel good about labels. You are doing nothing to advance the interests of our country, because you are not talking about policies, you are only engaging in name calling.

As you note, Norman Thomas has been dead for over 40 years. Thus, he can’t defend himself. He loathed Nazis, and if you have ever read anything he wrote, you would know that. To his dying day, he rued the fact that he had overestimated Europe’s ability to resist the aggression of Nazi Germany. I find it absolutely impossible to believe that he found ANY “common purpose” with George Lincoln Rockwell and the American Nazi Party. I know you want to lump Nazi’s in with Socialists, but I’d like to see your proof that Norman Thomas ever sought any unity with the American Nazi Party, let alone “under the banner of the Democrat party.”


Anonymous
Comment posted March 3, 2010 @ 7:36 pm

So the sum total of your argument is to label Democrats as commie socialist pinkos, and the Tea Party as patriots. Great. I hope you feel good about labels. You are doing nothing to advance the interests of our country, because you are not talking about policies, you are only engaging in name calling.

As you note, Norman Thomas has been dead for over 40 years. Thus, he can’t defend himself. He loathed Nazis, and if you have ever read anything he wrote, you would know that. To his dying day, he rued the fact that he had overestimated Europe’s ability to resist the aggression of Nazi Germany. I find it absolutely impossible to believe that he found ANY “common purpose” with George Lincoln Rockwell and the American Nazi Party. I know you want to lump Nazi’s in with Socialists, but I’d like to see your proof that Norman Thomas ever sought any unity with the American Nazi Party, let alone “under the banner of the Democrat party.”


justanamerican
Comment posted March 3, 2010 @ 2:43 pm

Your brain seem to be stuck in neutral, by posting the same garbage in everyplace. No new ideas???


justanamerican
Comment posted March 3, 2010 @ 2:45 pm

So what is your point?? Anyone can find that information on any website is they want to.


justanamerican
Comment posted March 3, 2010 @ 2:49 pm

Not a chance, but we do know each other, but what has that go to do with anything. You morons are dumber than a box of rocks


jsutanamerican
Comment posted March 3, 2010 @ 2:51 pm

Think away, but that doesn't mean its the truth, but you morons would not know the truth if it bit you in the a**


justanamerican
Comment posted March 3, 2010 @ 2:53 pm

Stuck in neutral, or the Hosre crap??? Witch one???


justanamerican
Comment posted March 3, 2010 @ 2:53 pm

Stuck in neutral, or the Hosre crap??? Witch one???


justanamerican
Comment posted March 3, 2010 @ 2:53 pm

Dah


justanamerican
Comment posted March 3, 2010 @ 2:53 pm

Dah


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted March 3, 2010 @ 3:20 pm

Last Thursday's first-of-its-kind summit capped off a debate that has lasted nearly a year. Every idea has now been put on the table. Every argument has been made. Both parties agree that the status quo is unacceptable and gets more dire each day. Today, I want to state as clearly and forcefully as I know how: Now is the time to make a decision about the future of health care in America.

The final proposal I've put forward draws on the best ideas from all sides, including several put forward by Republicans at last week's summit. It will put Americans in charge of their own health care, ensuring that neither government nor insurance company bureaucrats can ration, deny, or put out of financial reach the care our families need and deserve.

I strongly believe that Congress now owes the American people a final vote on health care reform. Reform has already passed the House with bipartisan support and the Senate with a super-majority of sixty votes. Now it deserves the same kind of up-or-down vote that has been routinely used and has passed such landmark measures as welfare reform and both Bush tax cuts.

Earlier today, I asked leaders in both houses of Congress to finish their work and schedule a vote in the next few weeks. From now until then, I will do everything in my power to make the case for reform. And now, I'm asking you, the members of the Organizing for America community, to raise your voice and do the same.

The final march for reform has begun, and your participation is crucial. Please commit to join with me to take reform across the finish line.

Essentially, my proposal would change three things about the current health care system:

First, it would protect all Americans from the worst practices of insurance companies. Never again will the mother with breast cancer have her coverage revoked, see her premiums arbitrarily raised, or be forced to live in fear that a pre-existing condition will bar her from future coverage.

Second, my proposal would give individuals and small businesses the same choice of private health insurance that members of Congress get for themselves. And my proposal says that if you still can't afford the insurance in this new marketplace, we will offer you tax credits based on your income — tax credits that add up to the largest middle class tax cut for health care in history.

Finally, my proposal would bring down the cost of health care for everyone — families, businesses, and the federal government — and bring down our deficit by as much as $1 trillion over the next two decades. These savings mean businesses small and large will finally be freed up to create jobs and increase wages. With costs currently skyrocketing, reform is vital to remaining economically strong in the years and decades to come.

In the few crucial weeks ahead, you can help make sure this proposal becomes law. Please sign up to join the Organizing for America campaign in the final march for reform:

http://my.barackobama.com/commit

When I talked about change on the campaign, this is what I was talking about: coming together to solve a huge problem that has been troubling America for 100 years and standing up to the special interests to deliver a brighter, smarter future for generations to come.

I look forward to signing this historic reform into law. And when I do, it will be because your organizing played an essential role in making change possible.

Thank you,

President Barack Obama


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted March 3, 2010 @ 3:31 pm

I am fairly sure that YOU can't say it. The reason being is that you most likely are on your knees in front of truepatriotNONthinker with his balls on your chin.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted March 3, 2010 @ 3:36 pm

Yep. I'm all for socialist and spreading the wealth. In fact, I'd prefer that you have to work 16 hour days and that I get half of your wages. Yes. That's the way America should be. Put idiots like you to work and take your pay.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted March 3, 2010 @ 3:37 pm

What is the point of this steaming pile of horse crap besides showing that you live in the lowest level of the the gutter?

(See the difference?)


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted March 3, 2010 @ 3:38 pm

You got it comrade ;-)


Anonymous
Comment posted March 3, 2010 @ 11:56 pm

Just to try to get this straight: your contention is that our government is controlled by a family of Jewish bankers, who are allowing our government to be run by someone you contend is a Nazi. Is that right? Can you say “cognitive dissonance”?


Jim
Comment posted March 3, 2010 @ 7:00 pm

Thanks for posting that…all my congresspeople are already on board!


Anonymous
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 12:03 am

The bust of Winston Churchill was loaned to George W. Bush by Tony Blair. It was not a gift. In its place in the Oval Office, President Obama has placed a bust of Abraham Lincoln. You remember him. The President who saved the Union. Do you have a problem with that? Is Abraham Lincoln not patriotic and American enough?


Anonymous
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 12:49 am

And, by your logic, East Germany was a democracy because it was the German Democratic Republic. And communist China is run by the “People.”

If you see communists, socialists and Nazis as all part of the same family, then how do you explain the fact that Hitler was virulently anti-Communist? How do you explain that he came to power in 1933 as a check on the communists?

In reality, Nazis did not share any of the economic views of socialists. The Nazis were motivated by nationalism and belief in racial superiority.


Anonymous
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 1:02 am

In other words, you can’t back up your statement.

I care about policies. Anybody can put on a lapel pin. I care about what our elected leaders do, not what they wear. Can you think of a politician you disagree with on fundamental issues, but would vote for because he or she wears a flag pin? What a stupid issue to focus on. As if all the people in the Bush Administration who put on flag pins after 9/11 could possibly make up for their failure to prepare the nation for that attack (remember the Aug. 6, 2001 Presidential Daily Brief, “Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S.?), their failure to catch Osama bin Laden, their reckless and wasteful war in Iraq, and the staggering national debt they created (much of which is now owed to the People’s Republic of China).


justanamerican
Comment posted March 3, 2010 @ 8:43 pm

Dah!!!!


justanamerican
Comment posted March 3, 2010 @ 8:46 pm

You finally got one point correct. That is exactly what you will get from you marxist socialist Savior is NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING!!!!!!


ellid
Comment posted March 3, 2010 @ 10:33 pm

Better than the foolish birthers who think it's more plausible that a pregnant teenager would ignore the advice of her doctors to fly 10,000 miles into a war zone than that she would give girth in the safety and comfort of her hometown.


Anonymous
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 3:36 am

Thank you.


Anonymous
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 3:38 am

Agreed. Something that hits the Internet is there pretty much forever, as JK Rowling and her lawyers can attest.


Anonymous
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 3:39 am

There is none, although this moronic bigot certainly seems to think so. What a revolting person he is.


Anonymous
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 3:39 am

Of course Lincoln isn’t patriotic enough. He freed the inferior 3/5 creatures who worked to make the White Man Great.


Anonymous
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 3:41 am

George W. Bush will be seen by future generations as the President who did more than any other to ruin America. He is a prime example of one who looks fair and feels foul.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted March 3, 2010 @ 10:53 pm

That's the most sense you've made yet. I'm so proud. Medication?


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted March 3, 2010 @ 10:56 pm

Don't use words you don't understand. Seriously, you're due for a major political science smack down and you are one truly unarmed lunatic.

“marxist socialist Savior”

You're an idiot. Stop while you're behind.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted March 3, 2010 @ 10:59 pm

YOU FAIL ! ! !

Don't stretch your empty head. You're too feeble to get it.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted March 3, 2010 @ 11:02 pm

You really don't understand the meaning of credible source?

I know you crap yourself and you're too feeble to understand much of anything, so we'll keep humoring you and making fun of your pathetic, soon to be forgotten stupidity you thought was a life. Thanks.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 4:04 am

Birfers are such idiots. And what’s a Hosre?


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 4:06 am

What is the point of this steaming pile of horse crap besides showing that you live in the lowest level of the the gutter?

(See the difference?)


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 4:06 am

What is the point of this steaming pile of horse crap besides showing that you live in the lowest level of the the gutter?

(See the difference?)


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 4:07 am

What is the point of this steaming pile of horse crap besides showing that you live in the lowest level of the the gutter?

(See the difference?)


truepatriotfreethinker
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 5:11 am

You wrote; “Why would I want to waste my precious time on this earth reading blatant and knowing lies?”

You act like he asked you to go to the Obama is a citizen website.

The average IQ of Kenya went up substancially when they whisked away Obama's little butt out of that country just after he was born.
According to Barack's paternal step-grandmother, she was there at the hospital in Mombasa, Kenya and witnessed his most immaculate birth.

Three wise men also showed up to offer gifts~ Free over the counter Contraceptives to keep such a travesty from ever happening again.

Update on some news from Obama about his assurance that he was really born in America.
Seems he admits he may have been wrong about being born in Hawaii, but he assures us that he was definitely born in one of the other 57 or 58 states.
Snopes and Wackypedia are again updating their sites.


truepatriotfreethinker
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 5:15 am

Yackety, Yack, Yack Yack!

President of Kenya


truepatriotfreethinker
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 5:20 am

Hopefully you mean they're “already on board” a boat to go and visit the actual birthplace of Obama, in Mombasa, Kenya. Maybe you should suggest they go there and set up their own little commune instead of trying to socialize this great country.


truepatriotfreethinker
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 5:21 am

Racist!


truepatriotfreethinker
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 5:23 am

Talking about yours or Obama's trouser worm again? What is this hang-up that you have to keep talking about trouser worms?


truepatriotfreethinker
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 5:27 am

You wrote; “Nice bit of hypocrisy all wrapped up in one inane, deranged paragraph.”

Maybe you're finally wising up. That's exactly the same way I felt about Obama's speech. See, you're coming along.


truepatriotfreethinker
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 5:37 am

Nope, sorry! That was my balls on your chin NOT_AXJ. But I will keep your secret safe about your goober gobbling fetish. ; )

I know you have a secret, super nasty crush on the Ururping Ugandan.
Maybe you can get Obama's phone number from Larry Sinclair? Or maybe Donald Young. Ooops, never mind. He was assassinated or something.


truepatriotfreethinker
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 5:43 am

You wrote; “I know you crap yourself and you're too feeble to understand much of anything, so we'll keep humoring you and making fun of your pathetic, soon to be forgotten stupidity you thought was a life.”

Are you writing that as a farewell address to Obama to remind him of all of his accomplishments in the past year?


truepatriotfreethinker
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 5:49 am

You people don't believe in God, just Obama's super-duper, top secret invisible, non-existent birth certificate. Oh, he does have one but it says 'Made In Kenya' all over it.


Anonymous
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 10:53 am

NOT_AXJ You wrote; “Yep. I’m all for socialist and spreading the wealth. In fact, I’d prefer that you have to work 16 hour days and that I get half of your wages. Yes. That’s the way America should be. Put idiots like you to work and take your pay.”

Thanks for finally admitting it, commie. Now we know why you voted for Obama. Because he thinks exactly like you do. Now just admit you hate America too.


Bostwick666
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 7:33 am

If it's nothing then why are you so terribly terribly afraid of it? Afraid of nothing?

For God's sake at least make some sense, either he's a threat for real reasons, or he's nothing and therefore not a threat. How can we advance the country if we insist on trying to out hysteria each other? Let's be civil. Let's talk policy. Let's if you want, discuss what socialism is and isn't….but for God's sake we can do all of this without this hysterical hyperbolic name calling. We may even learn something from each other


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 8:51 am

You must be a big fan of our President's father.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 8:54 am

Have you stopped paying local, sales and federal taxes?

Of course you're no hypocrite. What do you expect if you call 911?


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 8:54 am

Idiot!


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 8:57 am

“substancially”

Don't use big boy words you can't spell or comprehend, little bigot.

“According to Barack's paternal step-grandmother . . . “

We already knew you're a coward, bigot and a liar.

TRANSLATOR OGOMBE (sounding exasperated): No, no! The, the woman was not present. She was uh not, a what–you see, she was here in Kenya, and Obama was born in America. That is, that’s obvious.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 8:58 am

What is the point of this steaming pile of horse crap besides showing that you live in the lowest level of the the gutter?


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 11:11 am

Gee, thanks. But you're still a clueless douche bag and a pathetic, demented troll desperate for attention. Did your parents beat you?


ellid
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 2:11 pm

That would be Mr. Odinga. Barack Obama is not a Kenyan citizen and is not eligible to run.


ellid
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 2:13 pm

Wrong. Sarah Obama said, despite several efforts on the part of the “researcher” who interviewed her, that her grandson was born in Hawaii. Why you refuse to listen to the entire tape that contains this is a mystery to me.


bearclaw
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 4:32 pm

You haven't provided a shred of evidence to support any of your other assertions that I have challenged, but I'll give it another go.

What evidence to you have that Barack Obama was born in Mombasa?

It makes no sense. A preganant American teenager with no financial resources leaves the United States and flies half-way around the world to give birth in a place that neither she nor her husband are from (Nyanza Province, where Obama's father was from, is in the far west of the country, in the region of Lake Victoria, whereas Mombasa is on the county's east coast). The airport in Mombasa didn't become an international airport until 1979, so she would have had to fly into Nairobi, and travel by car or train to Mombasa, a trip that even today would take a half a day. Then she gives birth, heads back to Nairobi, and flies back to the United States. Why?

And again, do you have a shred of evidence to support your allegation?


Jim
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 6:44 pm

Well folks how about candidate Orly? Hope they televise the debates!

“There was still a possibility that another might jump in: Orly Taitz, another Orange County figure who is a leader of the “birther” movement that questions whether President Obama is eligible for his job.”

http://www.presstelegram.com/opinions/ci_14508296

What would be hilarious is, first off, she won. Californians would only have themselves to blame. And then asked for Obama's credentials in 2012 and find out she HAS TO legally accept his COLB. BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!


bearclaw
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 8:29 pm

Yes! I think Orly needs a new challenge. And we need something (and someone) to laugh at. She can meet the needs of many by jumping into the race for California Secretary of State.

May I suggest a campaign slogan geared to the intellectual level of her fans?

“See Orly. See Orly run. Run, Orly, run.”


bearclaw
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 9:32 pm

You haven't provided a shred of evidence to support any of your other assertions that I have challenged, but I'll give it another go.

What evidence to you have that Barack Obama was born in Mombasa?

It makes no sense. A preganant American teenager with no financial resources leaves the United States and flies half-way around the world to give birth in a place that neither she nor her husband are from (Nyanza Province, where Obama's father was from, is in the far west of the country, in the region of Lake Victoria, whereas Mombasa is on the county's east coast). The airport in Mombasa didn't become an international airport until 1979, so she would have had to fly into Nairobi, and travel by car or train to Mombasa, a trip that even today would take a half a day. Then she gives birth, heads back to Nairobi, and flies back to the United States. Why?

And again, do you have a shred of evidence to support your allegation?


Jim
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 11:44 pm

Well folks how about candidate Orly? Hope they televise the debates!

“There was still a possibility that another might jump in: Orly Taitz, another Orange County figure who is a leader of the “birther” movement that questions whether President Obama is eligible for his job.”

http://www.presstelegram.com/opinions/ci_14508296

What would be hilarious is, first off, she won. Californians would only have themselves to blame. And then asked for Obama's credentials in 2012 and find out she HAS TO legally accept his COLB. BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!


bearclaw
Comment posted March 5, 2010 @ 1:29 am

Yes! I think Orly needs a new challenge. And we need something (and someone) to laugh at. She can meet the needs of many by jumping into the race for California Secretary of State.

May I suggest a campaign slogan geared to the intellectual level of her fans?

“See Orly. See Orly run. Run, Orly, run.”


truepatriotfreethinker
Comment posted March 5, 2010 @ 7:21 am

She said exactly what happened even though someone was trying to coax her statement, which made her angry, and she stated that she was there during the birth.


Anonymous
Comment posted March 5, 2010 @ 3:44 pm

I probably go to church more often than you do, birther-boy, and unlike you, I actually pay attention to Matthew 25 and its instructions to feed the poor, cloth the naked, nurse the sick, and visit the imprisoned.

As for the President, he was born in Hawaii.


Anonymous
Comment posted March 5, 2010 @ 3:46 pm

That is what America would be if it weren’t for the evil socialist labor unions and demonic progressives passing labor laws that brought us Satanic concepts like two-day weekends, eight hour days, and restrictions on child labor.


Anonymous
Comment posted March 5, 2010 @ 3:48 pm

What’s a “Hosre”? Is it some sort of garden implement? And since when is “witch” not a noun?


Anonymous
Comment posted March 5, 2010 @ 3:49 pm

Of course I’ve been to http://www.whitehouse.gov. Are you so anti-American that you *won’t*?


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted March 5, 2010 @ 5:19 pm

Are you citing Rubber v. Glue again?


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted March 5, 2010 @ 5:21 pm

You wouldn’t know Karl from Groucho.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted March 5, 2010 @ 5:23 pm

“You still show too many symtoms of you mental disease called LIBERLISM”Read that sentence aloud just as you wrote it. That’s why we laugh.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted March 5, 2010 @ 5:25 pm

Your brain seem to be stuck in neutral by posting the same garbage repeatedly. No new ideas?

(See the difference?)


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted March 5, 2010 @ 5:27 pm

Your brain seem to be stuck in neutral by posting the same garbage repeatedly. No new ideas?


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted March 5, 2010 @ 5:27 pm

Your brain seem to be stuck in neutral by posting the same garbage repeatedly. No new ideas?


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted March 5, 2010 @ 5:28 pm

Your brain seem to be stuck in neutral by posting the same garbage repeatedly. No new ideas?

(See the difference?)


ellid
Comment posted March 5, 2010 @ 3:14 pm

Will they subtitle the debates? Her accent is so thick it's almost impossible to understand her.


ellid
Comment posted March 5, 2010 @ 3:40 pm

No, she said exactly the opposite: that the President was born in Hawaii, where his father was a student. You are lying.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted March 5, 2010 @ 4:20 pm

“It makes no sense.”

And that's where you lose a birfer every time.

This birfer has several credible sock puppets and irrefutable testimony from the deep, sinister voices coming from the mirror.

I'm all for cutting off 911 and all other public services to those paranoid idiots that despise democratic socialism.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted March 5, 2010 @ 4:46 pm

Yes, self-appointed “bishop” Ron McRae tried to bully Sarah Obama through an interpreter. Berg lost that one in court for good reason.

Birfer stupidity:
Obama's grandmother on his father's side …claims Obama was born in Kenya.

Conclusion: FALSE Evidence: http://s16v.com/americasright/8167169.wma
(full transcript of tape)

Source:
http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_evidence…

And, as Berg found out, the assertion was false and the testimony is therefore irrelevant.

But don't let facts get in the way of your puerile hatred, paranoia and dementia.


youmustbejoking
Comment posted March 5, 2010 @ 7:40 pm

For those who haven't read the responses from the Justice Department to Oily's lawsuit, they are posted on Scribed. Just in case the judge in the DC District doesn't know her history. She obviously didn't get her asked for order before the Feb. 26 date she asked for. I wonder by what authority she truly believes she has a right to see any of the presidents personal records? She asked for every paper that would have been created in his life and some not even his.( His mom's marriage and divorce documents?) The response just reminded me how crazy this woman is and how crazy anyone who is following her has to be. I hope she does run in California. Can you imagine the dirt her opponents would be able to put out on her? Find a few of those videos and they could probably get her deported! Hard to be California's Secretary of State from Israel or Moldavia!


Jim
Comment posted March 5, 2010 @ 11:30 pm

Understand her? The laughing will be so loud you won't even be able to hear her!


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted March 6, 2010 @ 12:13 am

To be safe and unbiased, there will be two interpreters providing translations in the corners of the TV monitor.

Moose AND Squirrel.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted March 6, 2010 @ 12:15 am

What is the point of this steaming pile of horse crap besides showing that you live in the lowest level of the the gutter?


bearclaw
Comment posted March 6, 2010 @ 12:58 am

Here is a link to the Justice Department's response:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/27536148/TAITZ-v-OBAM…

It is a good brief: clear, professional and persuasive (everything Orly's writing isn't). And the Justice Department attorneys don't make the mistake of dignifying Orly's position by providing too much argument in response.

Of course, this means the birfers will say Obama has now spent 16.873 kabazillion dollars trying to hide is birth certificate.


bearclaw
Comment posted March 6, 2010 @ 1:02 am

Still waiting for you to provide evidence that Obama was born in Mombasa.

And it has been four or five days since you promised to provide a link to the alleged video showing Obama saying that he doesn't wear a flag pin on his lapel because he doesn't want to offend other countries (or something like that). Are you ready to admit you were wrong?


Jim
Comment posted March 6, 2010 @ 1:46 am

I've got to imagine they've got the basics already written. Just cut and past for Orly's next filing…she NEVER addresses any of their points. Now let's see, what have we got pending with her??? Law License in CA, $20,000 appeal in GA, appeal to UN, and this case in DC. Hmmm, I smell a 4 bedpost smack-down coming, all 4 at once! And then hubby serves her the papers and the whole bed comes tumbling down.


Jim
Comment posted March 6, 2010 @ 2:05 am

Oh, and don't forget running for SoS of CA…

“In recent days, Taitz has announced that she filed the inital paperwork signaling an intention to run for office, blasted Dunn as a “Republican in name only” (because he doesn't care about “eligibility”), and called on supporters to lobby Dunn to stop running.”

http://blogs.ocweekly.com/navelgazing/the-hilar…

Maybe this CAN turn entertaining and not just plain sad.


ellid
Comment posted March 6, 2010 @ 2:22 am

Even better: she didn't fill out the paperwork correctly.


truepatriotfreethinker
Comment posted March 6, 2010 @ 2:23 am

What would be even funnier, if they actually made him produce his alleged Hawaiian birth certificate, and he has to skip the country instead of serving time in prison for elections fraud, at the least. Just as funny would be to see the looks on all of your already funny looking faces. How ironic would it be if he gets to cell-mate with former lover Larry Sinclair, who has been in jail for a year pumping iron, popping steroids, bulking up and is going to do a role reversal and make B.O. 'his' BE-otch!


Jim
Comment posted March 6, 2010 @ 2:28 am

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Now her supporters will try to run off the other gentleman and they'll have NO candidate. Sounds like she's trying to make CA more like her old home in Russia, Moldova, whatever. LOL.


truepatriotfreethinker
Comment posted March 6, 2010 @ 3:00 am

Yep. That's one thing she and Obama have in common. Neither of them were born here!

She needs Closed Captioning to let you understand what she says after she says it….
Obama needs a teleprompter to let him know what to say before he says it so it will look like he's actually thinking…and either on or off the telepromptor he relies on the stupidity of his followers and needs the socialist talking heads supporters in the Mainstream Media to put what he actually says into a cozy perspective so it will all sound much better than it really is, for those of you who can't see things and think for yourselves.
Off the teleprompter he shows his true genius
Uh, I Barack Obama Uh, I lost my place Uh, Some people say and Uh, want to convince you that I'm some kind of a socialist or something. Uh, So let me tell you that that's entirely not the case… Uh, My answer to them is Uh, what's wrong with spreading the wealth? Uh,….What are they afraid of? Doesn't everybody deserve Uh, some of the American dream? All I'm offering is Uh, is an equal share of the pie. They call it socialism but Uh, I don't see it that way but, call it what you want… I call it being fair.


ellid
Comment posted March 6, 2010 @ 3:06 am

Even better: Borderraven and a couple of his buds showed up at one of the blogs over at the OC weekly…and BR, with his usual elan, admitted that he was wrong about the summer break for the University of Hawaii lasting until November. There. Not here. And got very, very upset indeed when I pointed that out to him.

Amazing.


ellid
Comment posted March 6, 2010 @ 3:07 am

Wrong on all counts.


truepatriotfreethinker
Comment posted March 6, 2010 @ 3:11 am

All he has to do is bump fists with his wife, act real cool, simulate some intelligence with the help of a really nifty telepromptor, and SAY he was born here. You idiots would fall for it too, and would fully support him.
That's the M.O. of you people. You take the word and believe every used camel salesman that comes along.
May the fleas of one thousand camel's balls infest you!


truepatriotfreethinker
Comment posted March 6, 2010 @ 3:30 am

You wrote; “You must be a big fan of our President's father.”

What's this WE sucker, do you have a rabbit in your pocket? WE haven't had a “legitimate” president since George W. Bush.
If you're refering to the current illegal occupier of our executive branch and the whitehouse, Barack Obama's father….
Who, Che' Guevara? Was about the right timeline. He was still around in 1961, 3 years before the Selma, Alabama marches where Obama's mama and Obama Sr. met.
Who else, Karl Marx? Lenin or Stalin? Adolph Hitler?


truepatriotfreethinker
Comment posted March 6, 2010 @ 3:43 am

Where are all the usual racists and communist supporters from Usurpistan?


truepatriotfreethinker
Comment posted March 6, 2010 @ 4:00 am

Nope! Still just under $2million! Now he has the benefit of using taxpayer paid whitehouse attorneys and the illegally appointed Attorney General's office to suppliment his private paid law firms to cover his usurping butt.
A mystery wrapped in a riddle inside an enigma being protected by dupes, racists and morons who don't seem to know any better or even care…That's where they plan to keep this controversy.


truepatriotfreethinker
Comment posted March 6, 2010 @ 4:46 am

You wrote; “She obviously didn't get her asked for order before the Feb. 26 date she asked for.”

Wow! Such superior writing skills for someone who believes he's so smart and condemns someone else for typing errors.
What a racist moron!
Why should anyone in this country, legal or illegal, have to show documented proof of anything? Why do we have to show police officers a driver's license when they pull us over? That's just wrong! They don't have the right to know who we are or if we really have a driver's license. What right do they have to say we need a birth certificate to get a driver's license? That is none of their business. Why do banks require an ID for me to withdraw money from an account that I say is mine? It's none of their business. What business is it of any credit card company to ask my name? I just want some credit. They don't have the right to make sure I am who I say I am. I have the right to vote where I say I live. Why do they want me to tell them who I am or show an ID when I go somewhere to vote? I'm there to vote, not to answer a bunch of silly questions.Why do they insist on checking everyone, including muslim terrorists, just because they want to fly on a plane. Can't thay trust them and take their word for it that they have nothing dangerous? Anyone in America should be able to be a doctor or a surgeon without having to show a diploma from some university. It's just a silly piece of paper, and they don't have the right to ask me for it. Why do they have a yardstick at the entrance of a carnival ride? They should just ask everyone if they are tall enough and take their word on it. Why do we need proof for anything. It just keeps people from doing what they really want to do, and everyone in the entire world has the right to be a United States president without proving a thing to anyone.


truepatriotfreethinker
Comment posted March 6, 2010 @ 4:46 am

Why should anyone in this country, legal or illegal, have to show documented proof of anything? Why do we have to show police officers a driver's license when they pull us over? That's just wrong! They don't have the right to know who we are or if we really have a driver's license. What right do they have to say we need a birth certificate to get a driver's license? That is none of their business. Why do banks require an ID for me to withdraw money from an account that I say is mine? It's none of their business. What business is it of any credit card company to ask my name? I just want some credit. They don't have the right to make sure I am who I say I am. I have the right to vote where I say I live. Why do they want me to tell them who I am or show an ID when I go somewhere to vote? I'm there to vote, not to answer a bunch of silly questions.Why do they insist on checking everyone, including muslim terrorists, just because they want to fly on a plane. Can't thay trust them and take their word for it that they have nothing dangerous? Anyone in America should be able to be a doctor or a surgeon without having to show a diploma from some university. It's just a silly piece of paper, and they don't have the right to ask me for it. Why do they have a yardstick at the entrance of a carnival ride? They should just ask everyone if they are tall enough and take their word on it. Why do we need proof for anything. It just keeps people from doing what they really want to do, and everyone in the entire world has the right to be a United States president without proving a thing to anyone.


truepatriotfreethinker
Comment posted March 6, 2010 @ 5:07 am

OK then. Racist Idiot!
I won't argue with you if that's what you want to be called. Seems to fit you well.

From now on you are ordained, “Racist Idiot!”


ellid
Comment posted March 6, 2010 @ 12:04 pm

Why don't you learn to punctuate?


ellid
Comment posted March 6, 2010 @ 12:04 pm

Look in the mirror.


ellid
Comment posted March 6, 2010 @ 12:05 pm

What would be really funny would be if Orly Taitz were jailed for contempt and went with mascara withdrawal, or the Court ordered Borderraven to have lap band surgery.


ellid
Comment posted March 6, 2010 @ 12:06 pm

QUATLOOS YOU MORON! HOW MANY TIMES MUST I SAY IT????


ellid
Comment posted March 6, 2010 @ 12:07 pm

Skipped your meds again, eh?


ellid
Comment posted March 6, 2010 @ 12:17 pm

In which case you need to go back to whichever country you actually belong to, since you have just stated in public that the President of the United States is not your President. I can't think of a clearer way for you to out yourself as a non-citizen, in which case you aren't an American, and this is none of your goddamn business.


katahdin
Comment posted March 6, 2010 @ 6:41 pm

Fantasize all you want. But if anyone has to “skip the country” it will be crazy Orly “let me finish” Taitz.
You claim to a 'free thinker' but every thing you say sound like repetitious crazy birther verbal vomit. Not much free thought there.
And FYI President Barack Obama has never met that felonious little pimple Larry Sinclair in his entire life. Sinclair's entire sordid little tale was totally made up. That's why he failed a lie detector test so miserably, exhibiting extreme deception on every relevant question. But of course you believe him, because as a 'free thinker' you believe without question any negative thing that anyone, even someone with a 25 year criminal record, says about the president.
Accepting absurd lies, with question or doubt, because you want to believe. That's what free thinkers do.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted March 6, 2010 @ 10:03 pm

You're too obtuse to understand that Obama provided proof of his citizenship with a Certificate of Live Birth provided and backed up by the State of Hawaii. All of your questions and statements are completely pointless.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted March 6, 2010 @ 10:06 pm

Still on the same rants? Is the mental hospital where you're staying aware that you have access to their computers?


bearclaw
Comment posted March 7, 2010 @ 5:48 am

You said Obama was born in Mombasa. I explained why that made no sense, and asked you for proof. You haven't responded

You quoted Obama saying that he doesn't wear a flag pin in his lapel because he doesn't want to offend other countries. I provided a link to the real video, which said nothing at all like that. I asked you for proof that Obama had said what you quoted him as saying. You have provided no proof.

You ask, “Why do we need proof for anything.” I think you have provided your own answer. In Biferstan, no proof is required. Or are you going to man up and provide some proof for your assertions?


youmustbejoking
Comment posted March 7, 2010 @ 6:28 am

You are truly a tool. The proof has been shown, more than once since the president has a passport. But in the meantime you do give us cause to roll our eyes and wonder how some people can be so clueless all the while you're accusing others of not having a clue. You're so clueless you are incapable of recognizing truth when it hits you in the face. You will just have to suffer through these next seven years because this president is here to stay. Oily Taters will lose her law license and with any luck her seditious ways will get her deported. Everyone is running away from birthers afraid to get tarred with the same brush of insanity the birthers have earned. It is entertaining but I am tired of the ridiculous lawsuits being filed that waste so much of the courts time and money. I will be glad when Oily is slapped down for good by the courts and the bar.


truepatriotfreethinker
Comment posted March 7, 2010 @ 10:10 am

I'm glad Oily Taters will not leave the Usurping Ugandan Barack Osama alone. Lets just start with say, releasing only his college admission records. Why not indulge all the doubting 'crazies' as you call us, that little bit of info? Never has any other person who has occupied the office of the 'president' fought so hard to have ALL their past records sealed so tight. Why? Because the proof is there!

Who paid for his tuition to the colleges he supposedly attended? Was it from the Saudi royal family, the same sucker he bowed so low to soon after he snagged the top elected position in this country? How did Barack Hussein Osama become a multi millionaire as a lowly community organizer? Community organizing seems to pay well these days. Besides all the the money they illegally soak the government for from taxpayers, how does someone make it to millionaire status?


truepatriotfreethinker
Comment posted March 7, 2010 @ 11:37 am

I never said that the president of the United States wasn't the president. But who is the president if Barack Obama is not legally elligible to hold that title? I simply will not call him or recognize him as such, especially since he could have put the whole issue to rest way before he was illegally sworn in. If he truly wanted to represent EVERY citizen of this country as president he would have or should have said, “Here is my 'Birth Certificate.' ”

I don't have the need to prove I'm an American citizen since I'm not running for public office where it is or SHOULD be required. However, the 'last immigrant' which I can attribute my lineage to, came here legally in 1770. Before that, the earliest 'immigrant' came here with the first settlers of Jamestown, Virginia. Some of the rest were already here to great those settlers. So you see, “I” would definitely meet the “Natural Born” requirements in the U.S. constitution and the “Common Law” meaning of 'Natural Born Citizen' which takes 2 -(“TWO”) natural born American parents to legally satisfy that legal requirement. Look up “The World Book of Common Law” which the Founding Fathers used to set American (U.S.) law. Not the book of 'British Common Law' which they dismissed as a lawful reference in 1775. Satisfuing the 'Natural Born' requirement by the book used to settle common law cases ever since then, was the World Book of Common Law.
Simple refusal to see the entire issue doesn't just make you blindly stupid, it makes you a certified moron and a partisan idiot. You can't see the forest because of the trees.

There are at least four to five points which should legally bar Osama from being elligible to hold the office which he now illegally occupies.

His mother remarried to Lolo Soetoro, who adopted Osama and had his name changed and his U.S. citizenship denounced to be an Indonesian citizen and to go to school in Indonesia where he lived. Did he ever legally change his name back to Barack Hussein Obama Jr.? If so, when? Did he ever reapply for U.S. citizenship, if he ever had it to begin with? If so, when? He 'Supposedly' has only shown a “Certificate of Live Birth” from the state of Hawaii, which is NOT the same as a certified “Birth Certificate” which is only issued to someone 'certified' to have been witnessed to have been born here.

Too many questions not being answered.


truepatriotfreethinker
Comment posted March 7, 2010 @ 12:06 pm

There are at least four to five points which should legally bar Osama from being elligible to hold the office which he now illegally occupies.

The “Common Law” meaning of 'Natural Born Citizen' which takes 2 -(“TWO”) natural born American parents to legally satisfy that legal requirement. Look up “The World Book of Common Law” which the Founding Fathers of this country used to set American (U.S.) law, not the book of 'British Common Law' which they dismissed as a lawful reference in 1775. Satisfuing the 'Natural Born' requirement by the book used to settle common law cases ever since then, was the World Book of Common Law has also been used by the U.S. Supreme Court to settle many cases or issues.

His mother remarried to Lolo Soetoro, who adopted Osama and had his name changed and his U.S. citizenship denounced to be an Indonesian citizen and to go to school in Indonesia where he lived. Did he ever legally change his name back to Barack Hussein Obama Jr.? If so, when? Did he ever reapply for U.S. citizenship, if he ever had it to begin with? If so, when? He 'Supposedly' has only shown a “Certificate of Live Birth” from the state of Hawaii, which is NOT the same as a certified “Birth Certificate” which is only issued to someone 'certified' to have been witnessed to have been born here.
A 'Certificate of Live Birth' could be obtained at the time by any non-U.S. born persons or citizens. A 'Certificate of Live Birth' is issued for people to use when a legal 'Birth Certificate' is not required. To legally prove a birth citizenship status to most state and federal government agencies, a 'Birth Certificate' IS required and a 'certificate of Live Borth' is NOT. A 'Certificate of Live Birth' does not in this case prove someone was born here or proves citizenship status. Natural born does not (just) mean born on U.S. soil as we thought. By the common law meaning, it is essential for BOTH parents to have been BORN U.S. citizens, neither having 'obtained' citizenship. Barack Obama Sr. was not and had never even applied for citizenship to the U.S. which still wouldn't have satisfied the 'Natural Born Citizen' status of Barack Jr.

Too many questions not being answered. Too many laws being circumvented and overlooked.


truepatriotfreethinker
Comment posted March 7, 2010 @ 12:16 pm

Will have something for you later in Usurpistan.


truepatriotfreethinker
Comment posted March 7, 2010 @ 12:18 pm

Ah, there's my usual racist. How's it going Adolph?


katahdin
Comment posted March 7, 2010 @ 1:42 pm

No legal expert would agree with your definition of a natural born citizen, but I guess you're reading from the Bizarro World birther constitution that requires two citizen parents for natural born citizenship. The birther constitution also requires that by the age of two a child will lose his natural born citizenship if he does not, in the presence of two disinterested witnesses, 'put his left foot in and put his left foot out. '
That requirement is in Article 42, Section 1768. It's commonly known as the Hokey Pokey clause. 'Shaking it all about' is optional.


Jim
Comment posted March 7, 2010 @ 2:55 pm

So, what happened tpft? Did your mother denounce your citizenship and now you're jealous of Obama because his mother didn't? Oh, wait, that's right. It's Obama's citizenship to renounce, not his mother's. I can see you now…on the old “Gong Show” making a complete fool of yourself and getting Gonged off the stage. Heck, most of the acts had more intelligence than you. And, if you'd ever seen the “Gong Show” you'd realize how stupid you really are!


youmustbejoking
Comment posted March 7, 2010 @ 7:46 pm

1. I don’t care what “Common Law” says. That is not what was adopted as American law. As I stated AND posted before, we have had other presidents who had only one citizen parent. I did post the names- I’m not doing it again.
2. His mother remarried but his father was still alive. You can’t adopt another person’s child without that parent giving up parental rights. His father never gave up his parentage- he visited him well after he returned to Hawaii from living with his mother and step-father in Indonesia. He lived there as a young child, from 6 to 10 years of age. They may have used the steps name for the ease of it, but there is NO evidence that Barack Obama was ever adopted because he still had a living father. When you add that to the fact that once a child is born with American citizenship, a parent cannot do anything to change that. The citizenship is a birthright to that child and as our president was born in the 50th state of this Union, he is a natural born citizen of these United States.
3. The Certificate of Live Birth states where you were born, regardless of the place it was. If you, like John McCain, were born outside the US and were eligible for a US birth certificate, you got one that said you were born in Panama as it was with McCain. They do not change your place of birth. The presidents certificate says very clearly he was born in Honolulu, Hawaii. To keep arguing otherwise makes you look more than foolish. PERIOD. END OF STORY.

Your childish use of the name Osama and the other insults you keep using denotes an immaturity on your part and does nothing to the president. You don’t have to like him but he is the lawfully elected, eligible president of these United States.

Oily will get hers. Karma will slap her down one of these days. Perhaps she will lose that rich husband? I know infidelity is a good cause for divorce and I do believe in the Jewish faith it is frowned upon?


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted March 7, 2010 @ 8:28 pm

Hawaii DOH is the legal authority.
Hawaii DOH states Obama is a natural born U.S. citizen.
All else is irrelevant.

Birfers are brain damaged, vile, paranoid, racist cowards who don't deserve U.S. freedoms or U.S. citizenship. James Von Brunn is a good example of a deranged birfer coward. Most birfers are illiterate and many are probably inbred.

Birfers are seditious pigs and a disgrace to everything our laws and Constitution represent.

Birfers dishonor the many lives lost in the fight for freedom and equality under the law.

Birfers are a dying breed of bigots and hate filled lunatics.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted March 7, 2010 @ 8:29 pm

Lying coward.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted March 7, 2010 @ 8:35 pm

The closet molester and amateur troll is drooling over what's under Larry's kilt again. They buy life size posters of Joseph Farah in a thong to hang in their bedrooms.


youmustbejoking
Comment posted March 7, 2010 @ 8:35 pm

Every one's records are sealed! You don't have a right to his records nor does anyone outside law enforcement/courts (for cause) have a right to yours. Though I think in your case, they have cause. He hasn't “fought so hard” to have them sealed, they already were! Go try and get your neighbor down the streets records without that neighbors permission! Privacy laws passed long ago keep records sealed. The president doesn't have to do anything. The lies being told about him spending “millions” are just that, lies. The only evidence anyone can come up with is the fact that the DNC has a law firm on retainer for duties for the DNC. The president doesn't run the DNC and the DNC has plenty of things to use a law firm for, especially a law firm that deals with many facets of law and offers many services.

He had student loans, like so many others, to pay for college. He and Michelle both. If you paid attention in class, you would know that he was a community organizer for a group of churches to work with people in the Chicago neighborhoods that had been left behind when the steel mills left and left gaping unemployment. This was after he graduated from Columbia and before he went to Harvard and became an attorney. After Harvard, he went to work for the same law firm Michelle was working at. That is how he met her. I know they talked about working hard to pay off both their student loan debts. He got rich because he wrote two books, both which sold very well. Though they both had good salaries in their respective positions because they both are very smart and have very good educations and are both attorneys. They don't “illegally” soak any taxpayer money. The president receives a salary, the White House has a budget for taking care of the White House and hosting state dinners and the like. They pay their own costs for their food inside their private quarters. The president earns every penny he receives and more. They have never paid the office what it should receive for the duties required. You will never see a president come out of office that hasn't aged at a much higher rate than he would have otherwise.


Jim
Comment posted March 7, 2010 @ 9:06 pm

All you have is BS…which gets you absolutely NOTHING.


bearclaw
Comment posted March 7, 2010 @ 10:59 pm

Please tell me who wrote “The World Book of Common Law,” and when and where it was published. I have never heard of it, in 25 years of the study and practice of law. In fact, I did a Google search for “U.S. Supreme Court” and “World Book of Common Law,” and I got only ONE result: the blog post you just entered. So I think you completely made this up, and it is yet another lie.

Care to prove otherwise?


katahdin
Comment posted March 8, 2010 @ 1:31 am

Ugandan? You must be joking/crazy.
Barack Obama wrote a brilliant memoir. It sold millions of copies. He's talented that way. It's a pity you don't know what it's like to be able to write. It's a gift.


Jim
Comment posted March 8, 2010 @ 2:06 am

Look at your avatar…you're defining yourself as one.

rac·ist -sist also -shist noun or adjective

1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2 : racial prejudice or discrimination


truepatriotfreethinker
Comment posted March 8, 2010 @ 7:13 am

The Hawaii DOH never stated that Obama is a natural born U.S. citizen.
The Hawaii DOH only stated that they can verify that he does have 'a birth certificate' and that it is on file with Hawaii DOH. They never stated that it was a Hawaii DOH issued certificate. They could have been referencing a Kenyan, a British, a Ugandan, an Indonesian or a Cuban birth certificate. Also, notice the use of 'Certificate of Live Birth' and an original copy of a 'Birth certificate.' Look at the scanned copy supplied by the Obama Campaign and Fight the Smears. It is neither. It is a “'Certification” of Live Birth' which is only issued if the original was lost, destroyed, missing or not on file.

I wish you would put your obvious racism behind you and look at the bigger picture. If he truly had a U.S. issued 'Birth Certificate,' he would've already released a copy to a court to put a stop to the debate. He surely would have saved a lot of money in doing so IF it actually existed, which it doesn't.

You are probably one of those morons who stuck up for Bill Clinton even after the stained dress was brought in as proof. You still think that it was some 'Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy' and that it really wasn't 'sexual relations' he was having with good ol' Monica. Remember when your little perfect world came crashing down then? Well, when this one hits the fan you are going to get the biggest slam imaginable and the repercussions will be 100 fold.

The truth will come out, and all of you ditsy, brain dead racists will be humbled big time.
You don't want to know the truth because you can't handle the truth! You can't recognize a political system such as SOCIALISM when it hits you in the forehead, or you do and are too stupid to know Socialism is, has been and always will be a failure and even more, a danger to freedom.

Imbecilic, moronic, stupid, arrogant, pea-brained, racists. All that can pretty much be summed up with one word. Democ~RAT


truepatriotfreethinker
Comment posted March 8, 2010 @ 7:32 am

I was wrong on that as far as the name.
“The Law of Nations and Principles of Natural Law” is the name to reference the common law reference guide used by the Founding Fathers and U.S. Supreme Courts. By: Emmerich de Vattel
He is most famous for his 1758 published work Droit des gens; ou, Principes de la loi naturelle appliqués à la conduite et aux affaires des nations et des souverains: English-{The Law of Nations or the Principles of Natural Law Applied to the Conduct and to the Affairs of Nations and of Sovereigns}

Google it and see.

Also, here's a link to a synopsis of a reference to that issue.
http://puzo1.blogspot.com/2009/08/law-of-nation…
and Wackypedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emerich_de_Vattel


truepatriotfreethinker
Comment posted March 8, 2010 @ 7:51 am

Talking about immaturity and childish….I told you that I was going to use his name that way since your childishness and immaturity insists that you also use someone's name in a defamitory manner, as in; You Wrote: “Oily” / “Oily Taters”
You started it!

You are a racist and you're a fool.

Even if we referenced British Common Law (Yes I know, this is the U.S.) for a basis on set laws and precedence; They still insist that a 'Natural Born Citizen' has to have at least one natural born parent if one is a naturalized citizen. Obama's father was not a U.S. citizen and never applied for citizenship. Also, his mother couldn't transfer her natural born status onto Barack Jr. because she hadn't yet attained the age of 19 years, either if he was born in Hawaii, Kenya or Uganda, as per Article 2, Section 1; of the constitution, or the 14th amendment to the constitution.


truepatriotfreethinker
Comment posted March 8, 2010 @ 8:04 am

WTF are you babbling about?
Every time you write something, you look and sound more and more like the Idiot we all know that you are.
I bet your mother petitions every year to get the abortion laws changed so that she can stick a coathanger through your head even after what, 14 years?

Go back in the bathroom and J.O. some more to Mein Kampf or something. Take my advice and do what you do best. Being clever obviously isn't one of your strongest points.
BTW, Brush your teeth and take a shower too. That may help your social life so that you might have a slightly better chance of ….never mind. I doubt that.
Moron!


truepatriotfreethinker
Comment posted March 8, 2010 @ 8:14 am

Mein Kampf sold more than 1 million copies, but I'm surely not going out to buy that trash. The few exerpts from (his) two books that I have read, I doubt that I could stomach any more than that. He's a moron. Bill Ayers claims to have written them both FOR Obama. Several other writers also claim that the writing styles are so similar that they are likely written by the same moron domestic terrorist. How was what he supposedly wrote, brilliant?

BTW, I have written several things but never published.


truepatriotfreethinker
Comment posted March 8, 2010 @ 8:19 am

“Lying coward.”

That's not a nice thing to say about Your president.


truepatriotfreethinker
Comment posted March 8, 2010 @ 8:32 am

Is that any better?
Che Obama
Your heroes both!

You people are the racists. I'm the one pointing out your obvious racisms, and I am the one denouncing yours and all racism.

You need to get a life and not call all descent racism. A “RACIST” can also be a fool who votes FOR someone just because he IS a certain race and not the opposing one. There was a whole lot of racism shown from your side in 2008. But there always is from the democ~RATS!


youmustbejoking
Comment posted March 8, 2010 @ 8:45 am

Wrong dipstick- There is a news video and statement saying very clearly that the president is a Natural Born Citizen by the Hawaii Department of Health so you are once again wrong.

You really are a jerkoff aren't you? For your information, Oily gets referred to in that manner because she calls every judge, DOJ attorney, the president and all who don't support her stupid as s, traitors and several other names. She doesn't deserve any respect because she doesn't have enough sense to know that you are not allowed, as an attorney, to badmouth the judges you appear before nor is it smart for an attorney to badmouth your fellow attorneys that you go up against. You would need to be a real attorney that actually attends an accredited law school instead of taking online courses from a school that isn't good enough to get accreditation. She is a dumb butt and I'm beginning to think you are her. Your comments are as stupid as hers are and your command of the English language is about as bad as hers. And why should you care what I call her unless you are her? And for your information, I've been posting here for a lot longer than you have and Oily is one of the nicer names people use. So you can stuff that in your pipe and smoke it.

Frankly you are such a fool I don't really care what you post. I will leave you with a word- you can figure out what it means. F.O.C.U.S.


bearclaw
Comment posted March 8, 2010 @ 3:34 pm

Quite familiar with it. Are you aware that the work you cited (with French
title) as his “most famous” is exactly the same treatise, or are you just
cutting and pasting from other websites, with no knowledge of what you are
saying?

Are you aware that the U.S. Supreme Court has specifically rejected de
Vattel as an authoritative source of law on issues of citizenship, because
the Supreme Court has concluded that U.S. citizenship law derives from
British common law?


katahdin
Comment posted March 8, 2010 @ 3:41 pm

Bill Ayers claimed no such thing, and no other actual writer has said this either, unless you want to count Rush Limbaugh or Sarah Palin as writers. By the way, I was an English major. I've read much of the the greatest of Enlish language literature ever written. Barack Obama has a rare gift for writing. I've noticed you enjoy calling people racists. But I have to wonder why you simply cannot acknowlege that President Obama is a talented and brilliant man.


bearclaw
Comment posted March 8, 2010 @ 8:45 pm

Please provide a cite to British law giving that definition of “natural born citizen.” I am not aware that Great Britain uses that term at all. As a constitutional monarchy, with a Sovereign, Great Britain would use the parallel term “natural born subject.” And if you look to the authoritative source on British common law — Blackstone's Commentaries — you would find that a natural born subject is anyone born within the kingdom (except for a foreign occupier or children born to foreign ambassadors). With the exception of foreign ambassadors or foreign occupiers, the “citizenship” of the parents is irrelevant.

If you want to see how the U.S. Supreme Court looks to British common law, not de Vattel, for understanding of matters of citizenship, look at the majority opinion in United States v. Wong Kim Ark: http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/historics…


bearclaw
Comment posted March 8, 2010 @ 8:50 pm

Later, later, later. Still waiting. It has been a week since I challenged your fictitious quote from President Obama. It has been several days since I challenged you for proof that Obama was born in Mombasa.

You seem to take great offense when people call you names. I haven't done so. I'm asking you to support your allegations.

Are you going to provide proof? Or are you going to admit that you were wrong on both counts?


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted March 8, 2010 @ 9:14 pm

DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH
News Release
LINDA LINGLE
GOVERNOR
_________________________________________________________________________________________________________
CHIYOME LEINAALA FUKINO M.D.
DIRECTOR
Phone: (808) xxx-xxxx
Fax: (808) xxx-xxxx
_________________________________________________________________________________________________________
For Immediate Release: July 27, 2009 09-063
STATEMENT BY HEALTH DIRECTOR CHIYOME FUKINO, M.D.
“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawai?i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai‘i State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai‘i and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago.”

Emphasized excerpt for the terminally stupid:

” . . . verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai‘i and is a natural-born American citizen.”
- Chiyome Leinaala Fukino M.D., Director, Department of Health, State of Hawai'i, 07/07/09.


ellid
Comment posted March 8, 2010 @ 9:55 pm

Wrong from beginning to end.


ellid
Comment posted March 8, 2010 @ 9:56 pm

And you're a bigot. Sorry, but that's worse in my eyes.


ellid
Comment posted March 8, 2010 @ 9:58 pm

If this bigoted lout is a true patriot, I'm Gus Hall's illegitimate daughter by John F. Kennedy.


youmustbejoking
Comment posted March 8, 2010 @ 10:40 pm

OK, so now this site is sending comment emails that are at least a week old or so that I clearly remember getting and reading at least a week or so ago and saying date and time sent as today. So unless a bunch of you are resubmitting comments all over again, there is something very strange going on here. Anyone else finding these strange happenings on this site?


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted March 8, 2010 @ 11:04 pm

I haven't had those strange happenings and the server error messages and post warnings seem to have been fixed. Then again, it probably is a dark, vast conspiracy since that's the first conclusion a reasonable, sane person would believe.


youmustbejoking
Comment posted March 8, 2010 @ 11:39 pm

The other error messages were fixed and I am not getting double emails like I was, but when I started reading some of the posts that came in this afternoon it was a deja vu moment. I knew I had read those same ones before. Very strange stuff. But I'm sure it is some kind of computer/programming glitch either on one end or other. It could be a problem with my email server or something too. Just strange. That was a new one for me. :-)


Steve_X
Comment posted March 9, 2010 @ 12:01 am

The Hawaii DOH never stated that Obama is a natural born U.S. citizen.

Completely, entirely, and throughly wrong just like every other birther.

“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago….”

Okay, now go ahead and make up another ridiculous lie so the rest of us can debunk that one too.


Steve_X
Comment posted March 9, 2010 @ 12:25 am

Well, that doesn't prove anything. Everyone knows that Obama's paid off everyone that has ever lived and worked in the entire state of Hawaii with all of that ACORN money…and that was before he built a time machine, traveled 48 years into the past, and planted his birth announcements in those newspapers.


truepatriotfreethinker
Comment posted March 9, 2010 @ 2:08 am

Strange? You have a usurping Ugandan with no U.S. birth certificate occupying and roaming around the whitehouse and you ask if there is something strange happening on this site?


bearclaw
Comment posted March 9, 2010 @ 2:27 am

What is strange is that you can't back up anything you say with facts.

Proof Obama is “Ugandan”.

Proof Obama was born in Mombasa.

Proof that Obama said he doesn't wear a flag pin in his lapel because he doesn't want to offend other countries.

Proof that Norman Thomas ever cooperated with the American Nazi Party (given that he loathed Nazis).

You get your panties all in twist when people call you names. I've tried to have a principled discussion with you. Apparently, that is a mistake. It is becoming quite clear that all you want to do is provoke a reaction. You don't care about facts. Quite the contrary, you seem to take great pleasure in lying. The bigger your lie, the better pleased you are with it.

If you think that is unfair, then why not try providing some support for your allegations.


truepatriotfreethinker
Comment posted March 9, 2010 @ 2:45 am

As I said before, If he really has a legitimate, genuine Hawaiian issued “Birth Certificate,” then why hansn't he already or why won't he put “THAT” area of his illegitimate issue to rest?
No-one in their right mind (and I do realize we are dealing with democ~RATS who have very little common sense) would spend as much money as he has on wasted time when he could have submitted it at one of the court hearings to determine if the court was constitutionally elligible to hear it.

Why, just on the principle of YES WE CAN?

If the same thing was going on with George Bush or Juan McLame, you morons would also be all over this issue. And I would too! I don't care what side of the political spectrum they fall on, if there is ANY question of their elligibilty it should be completely answered to everyone's satisfaction.

With Obama though, there are several issues which raise questions to his legal elligibility aside from just his questionable birth records, which was supposedly seen only by the director of the HDOH who made the statement not under oath.


truepatriotfreethinker
Comment posted March 9, 2010 @ 2:57 am

On that I'm not going to call you wrong because I only know what I read as certain cases on “citizenship issues” handled by the SCOTUS, but to the point, what does the book of British Common Law also say about “Natural Born” citizenship and requirements for consideration to that claim?

Yes, that was a cut and paste of what I found to send, and notice the ENGLISH- In front of the English translation of the title which came after the FRENCH title name.

Should I count the syllables for you also?

Like Steve Martin said, “These sobriety tests keep getting harder and harder.”


Lafayme
Comment posted March 9, 2010 @ 8:37 am

I don’t have to smoke marijuana or do illegal drugs to know the terms abusers use. I have been around it all my life. When I was in my 20′s I remember saying to someone that I didn’t know anyone five years younger or five years older that has not used some type of illegal drug…but no I never did anything illegal. I have dated lawyers, professors, judges, even deans of colleges that smoked weed…yep sure have. I saw all it did to people around me and never wanted to be inebriated. I like to know full well all tha is going on around me. I have never lost my giggle and nor my friends (the users) They still have always found me to be a fun person to be around. I don’t know of a day in my life that I haven’t found something to laugh about and never too many days go by that I don’t burst out in some side hurting laughter. But as much as I love fun and comedy I have this very serious side of me and about some things I just don’t play.


truepatriotfreethinker
Comment posted March 9, 2010 @ 4:15 am

Read a little more into the article link YOU sent ME.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/historics…

If I could highlight for you the areas of importance, I would. Look for >>> * <<<

>>>And then, while maintaining that the civil status is universally governed by the single principle of domicil, domicilium, the criterion established by >>>international law<<< for the purpose of determining civil status, and the basis on which the personal rights of the party, that is to say, the law which determines his majority or minority, his marriage, succession, testacy or intestacy, [p657] must depend, he yet distinctly recognized that a man's political status, his country, patria, and his “nationality, that is, natural allegiance,” >>>”may depend on different laws in different countries.”<<< Pp. 457, 460. He evidently used the word “citizen” not as equivalent to “subject,” but rather to “inhabitant,” and had no thought of impeaching the established rule that all persons >>>born under British dominion are natural-born subjects.<<<

Lord Chief Justice Cockburn, in the same year, reviewing the whole matter, said:
By the common law of England, every person born within the dominions of the Crown, no matter whether of English or of foreign parents, and, in the latter case, whether the parents were settled or merely temporarily sojourning, in the country, was an English subject, save only the children of foreign ambassadors (who were excepted because their fathers carried their own nationality with them), or a child born to a foreigner during the hostile occupation of any part of the territories of England. No effect appears to have been given to descent as a source of nationality.

The incapacities of femes covert, provided by the common law, apply to their civil rights, and are for their protection and interest. But they do not reach their political rights, nor prevent their acquiring or losing a national character. Those political rights do not stand upon the mere doctrines of municipal law, applicable to ordinary transactions, but stand upon the more general principles of the law of nations.

>>>3 Pet. 248. This last sentence was relied on by the counsel for the United States as showing that the question whether a person is a citizen of a particular country is to be determined not by the law of that country, but by the principles of international law.<<< But Mr. Justice Story certainly did not mean to suggest that, independently of treaty, there was any principle of international law which could defeat the operation of the established rule of citizenship by birth within the United States; for he referred (p. 245) to the contemporaneous opinions in Inglis v. Sailors' Snug Harbor, [p661] above cited, in which this rule had been distinctly recognized, and in which he had said (p. 162) that “each government had a right to decide for itself who should be admitted or deemed citizens,” and, in his Treatise on the Conflict of Laws, published in 1834, he said that, in respect to residence in different countries or sovereignties, >>>”there are certain principles which have been generally recognized by tribunals administering public law” [adding, in later editions "or the law of nations"] “as of unquestionable authority,” and stated, as the first of those principles,<<< “Persons who are born in a country are generally deemed citizens and subjects of that country.” Story, Conflict of Laws, § 48.<<<


bearclaw
Comment posted March 9, 2010 @ 6:59 am

Your point?

“there are certain principles which have been generally recognized by tribunals administering public law . . . as of unquestionable authority. Persons who are born in a country are generally deemed citizens and subjects of that country.”

In other words, under general principles of common law (accepted in Great Britain and, as is clear from the majority decision in Wong Kim Ark, also accepted in the United States), Barack Obama's birth in Hawaii makes him a U.S. citizen from birth, regardless of the citizenship of either of his parents.

If you want to argue, as others do, that de Vattel defined “natural born citizen” as a person born in the country of citizen parents, and that the founding fathers used that understanding in drafting Article II, Section 1, Clause 4 of the U.S. Constitution, you'll have to explain how the founding fathers relied on the 1797 London edition of de Vattel's treatise (10 years after the Constitution was written), which was the first translation that used the phrase “natural born citizen.” Just so you know that I do my research, you can read the whole darn 1797 edition yourself (the “natural-born citizen” reference is at p. 101): http://books.google.com/books?id=z8b8rrzRc7AC&d…


bearclaw
Comment posted March 9, 2010 @ 7:01 am

Can you support your allegations?

Proof Obama is “Ugandan”.

Proof Obama was born in Mombasa.

Proof that Obama said he doesn't wear a flag pin in his lapel because he doesn't want to offend other countries.

Proof that Norman Thomas ever cooperated with the American Nazi Party (given that he loathed Nazis).

I guess the answer is, “NO YOU CAN'T.”


bearclaw
Comment posted March 9, 2010 @ 7:30 am

You are completely wrong in your understanding of “natural born citizen.” It really couldn't be clearer from the understanding of the term “natural born subject” in British common law, which is the source of “natural born citizen,” that if a person is born in the United States, they are a “natural born citizen” (in contrast to the only other kind of citizen — a naturalized citizen), regardless of the citizenship of the parents. Please read and try to understand U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark, including the following:

“The Supreme Court of North Carolina, speaking by Mr; Justice Gaston, said:

Before our Revolution, all free persons born within the dominions of the King of Great Britain, whatever their color or complexion, were native-born British subjects; those born out of his allegiance were aliens. . . . Upon the Revolution, no other change took place in the law of North Carolina than was consequent upon the transition from a colony dependent on an European King to a free and sovereign State; . . . British subjects in North Carolina became North Carolina freemen; . . . and all free persons born within the State are born citizens of the State. . . . The term “citizen,” as understood in our law, is precisely analogous to the term “subject” in the common law, and the change of phrase has entirely resulted from the change of government. The sovereignty has been transferred from one man to the collective body of the people, and he who before as a “subject of the king” is now “a citizen of the State.”

State v. Manuel (1838), 4 Dev. & Bat. 20, 24-26.”


Lafayme
Comment posted March 9, 2010 @ 7:51 am

This is a scandal on a mammoth scale. It should become the “BirthGate” like Nixon's “WaterGate”. It was a deception put forth by the Democratic Party. They found a way to circumvent the Constitution knowing full well that a DUAL CITIZEN would not pass the muster in a Congressional judicial hearing. In 2004 hey tried to redefine or manipulate the term NATURAL BORN CITIZEN term referred to in Article II of the Constitution and introduced a bill (s2128) purposed to settle the question of this particular term. The bill did not pass so the term and what it meant was left as debateable. The 14th Amendment was moot on the requirement of the POTUS eligibility…was not addressed.
Knowing that his dual citizenship would be questionable, having a majority in Congress that could be manipulated; having Sec'y of States that had little understanding of what the term meant or thinking that their own judgement was the final say so; threatening delegates to change their votes for Hillary to Obama; KNOWING FULL WELL THAT IF THIS TERM GOES TO THE SUPREME COURT TO DEFINE WHETHER HE WAS ELIGIBLE IN MEETING THE REQUIREMENT OF NATURAL BORN CITIZEN THAT IT WILL BE DEEMED THAT HE IS NOT. …and there is precedence of removing someone from office after duly elected and sitting in office when the eligibility factor is found to be flawed. But they sealed all the records, paint anyone and everyone that questions this as tin foil hat wearers….

Whacko conspiracy is when in the face of bona fide real evidence put forth in congressional hearings someone still denies it….hmm? ..well, not so, Oliver Stone continues to get Oscars as does Michael Moore for their whacko conspiracies.
No this is blatantly people who did not vote for this man that have legitimate questions regarding hiis mysterious and myriad history.
It is a fact that he attended college at Occidental College under a foreign scholarship and under the name of Barry Soetera …So what is that all about?
Why isn't everyone asking who the heck this man really is?

One of the main reasons I think that our founding fathers wanted to include the Natural Born citizen term was they wanted a President that had no conflicting allegiance to any other country or any other law system. Obama clearly desires some form of a socialist country or at least one that is like Europe's. He said in his book that he found “the Constitution was fundamentally flawed”. ..and he said more than once that he was going to “fundamentally change America”.

There is blatant defying the Freedom of Information Act in not disclosing ALL THE RECORDS OTHER PRESIDENTS HAVE DISCLOSED TO THE PUBLIC.

So the Hawaiian DOH lady can call him a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN as have other court cases deemed someone a natural born citizen…he could be born in Hawaii, but there is one thing for certain….IF ANYONE OR ANYTHING BRINGS THIS QUESTION INTO THE SUPREME COURT FOR A RULING AND DETERMINATION OF THE TERM NATURAL BORN CITIZEN AS REFERRED TO AS THE REQUIREMENT FOR THE POTUS …Obama will be found ineligible! Because at the time his name was put on that ballot that with him being a Constitution law professor he was well aware that in any case his “dual citizenship” would be a factor because THE TERM NATURAL BORN CITIZEN ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENT has never been broaded to include anyone other than an American soil born child by TWO American soil born parents. The Democratic Party and Obama, himself, were well aware that if truly challenged HE WOULD BE FOUND INELIGIBLE. The audacity of whoever the power behind all this has to step all over our Constitution and sell us this man who has ties to communists, radical black racist, and even radical terrorist. He does not come into our office as President with clean hands.

Proof that he knew that if his dual citizenship & his father not being American was something questionable was the argument that Barbara Boxer made in 2004 in Congress when introducing the bill (s.2128)…a bill that never passed after a committee was formed to see if the 2nd Amendment could be elaborated on or changed:
S.2128 Bill 2004
The purpose of this bill is to define
the term ‘‘natural born Citizen’’ as
used in Article II of the Constitution to
include any person born in the United
States, any person born outside the
United States to citizen parents, and
any foreign-born child adopted by citizen
parents.
For many decades legal scholars have
debated the meaning of the term ‘‘natural
born Citizen.’’ There are many law
review articles that examine the issue
from every angle and come to several
different conclusions. Some scholars,
such as Pinkney G. McElwee in his article
entitled Natural Born Citizen and
Isidor Blum’s article published in the
New York Law School Journal, conclude
that the term ‘‘natural born’’ is
synonymous with ‘‘native born.’’ Others,
such as Charles Gordon in the
Maryland Law Review and Warren
Freedman in the Cornell Law Quarterly,
decide that the definition of
‘‘natural born’’ includes all people who
are citizens at birth. And these scholars
disagree as to who is a citizen at
birth.
The issue came to the public’s attention
when George Romney was seeking
the Republican nomination for President
in 1968. He was born of American
missionary parents in Mexico. Some
questioned his eligibility to be President
under the Constitutional requirement
that a President be a ‘‘natural
born citizen.’’ The issue was never decided
since Mr. Romney did not become
the Republican nominee. Although at
least two Federal court decisions have
suggested what the term ‘‘natural born
citizen’’ means, the issue has never
been squarely resolved by a court.
Today the question remains unanswered.
This bill presents us with an
historic opportunity. In this bill, we
have the opportunity to end the uncertainty
surrounding the qualifications
for the presidency, and provide a fair
and equal chance to children of American
citizens to pursue their dreams.
There is obviously a need for clarification.
In the absence of a judicial interpretation,
Congress can express a
legislative interpretation of Constitutional
terms. We should not wait for an
election to be challenged and the
courts to decide what ‘‘natural born’’
means.


ellid
Comment posted March 9, 2010 @ 3:31 pm

He could easily be a Gallifreyan, which means he has two hearts. Has anyone seen his x-rays proving that he isn't a 945 year old Time Lord with a sonic screwdriver?


ellid
Comment posted March 9, 2010 @ 3:35 pm

Personally I think we should lock Orly, NC, Phil Berg, Leo D'Onofrio, and all the other birthers into an extra-large Borderraven sized room and let them whine for a few hours, then post the footage on Youtube. It would be comedy *gold*.


Steve_X
Comment posted March 9, 2010 @ 3:37 pm

Another pointless, fact-free, evidence-free, bullshit birther rant Randomly capitalized words, debunked “legal” theories, and cut-and-pasted garbage…seriously, who gave the kids on the short bus netbooks with wi-fi access? I guess we finally know what Orly's been doing with all of those paypal donations.


Steve_X
Comment posted March 9, 2010 @ 3:37 pm

*yawn*


Anonymous
Comment posted March 9, 2010 @ 8:59 pm

Answer Bearclaw’s questions or go crawl back under your ferret midden.


Anonymous
Comment posted March 9, 2010 @ 9:01 pm

Probably had Borderraven do his famous Kool-Aid pitcher imitation and bust through the wall to free him. He *is* a Minuteman after all, with advanced military training and the ability to hike seven miles carrying a 200 pack (or the equivalent in flesh).


Anonymous
Comment posted March 9, 2010 @ 9:05 pm

That was my great-uncle, who fortunately lived and died long before the likes of you polluted the American political landscape. The family Nazi was my third cousin once removed Manfred from Karlsruhe, who fortunately died in the war before he could disgrace us any more than he already had.


Lafayme
Comment posted March 9, 2010 @ 5:15 pm

Well, Steve_X

Didn't he study Harvard Law?
Wouldn't a Harvard Law student possibly study all the law cases mentioned in that cut and paste proposed bill in Congress in 2004?
Do you think maybe he studied how to represent for and against any President that was anything other than the standard “American soil born by TWO American soil born parents?
Being a Democratic politician himself in 2004 don't you think he may have been aware of this bill introduced in 2004 to define and amend the term Natural Born Citizen requirement for POTUS?
Isn't it reasonable to believe that he knew full well as Democratic Barbara Boxer stated in 2004 that other than the standard acceptance of what a Natural Born Citizen for POTUS has always been a term never defined and often debated?
He had to count on the general population not being aware of this requirement that caused such debate throughout the history of our nation to sign that he met all eligibility requirements because he absolutely knew that it should have been ruled on by a Congressional judicial hearing. He took deliberate liberties in “sneaking this past everyone” so no one would challenge him on it….or so he thought.

Those for or against him would all waste our time on blogs debating what should have been debated in Congress because:

He simply does not fit the standard belief to be eligible and the term Natural Born has never been resolved in courts or Congress. Hey, but this was a majority held Democratic Congress. Now was the time to slip through the fine lines. He knew. He sealed his records.

…and here we debate to no avail because we are not in Congress. Hmmm? Maybe in 2010?


bearclaw
Comment posted March 9, 2010 @ 7:28 pm

“I certainly do not want my email address to be connected with my political views that I have shared in commenting sections all over the net especially because I deal with far left business associates and I lean right. I had established an online connection with someone that was looking favorably at someone I rep and once this business entity saw and read my comments that showed up they blocked me from ever contacting them again and cost the person I rep their dream job. How can I keep my personal persona separate from my business persona?”

Your business associates are “far left” and you “lean” right? You don't just “lean” — you have toppled over into the next county.

Your understanding of the term “natural born citizen” is really hilarious. Where do you get it?

U.S. principles of citizenship are based in British common law. The U.S. Supreme Court has made that very clear on numerous occasions. British law used the parallel term (for a monarchy) — “natural born subject.” In Great Britain and in the colonies it had a simple meaning: born within the Kingdom. The citizenship of the parents was irrelevant. There were two exceptions: children born to foreign occupiers, and children born to foreign ambassadors, neither of which could be considered subjects — under the protection of — the monarch.

For example, in United States v. Wong Kim Ark, the majority of the U.S. Supreme Court quoted with approval the following from a North Carolina court decision:

“The Supreme Court of North Carolina, speaking by Mr. Justice Gaston, said:

Before our Revolution, all free persons born within the dominions of the King of Great Britain, whatever their color or complexion, were native-born British subjects; those born out of his allegiance were aliens. . . . Upon the Revolution, no other change took place in the law of North Carolina than was consequent upon the transition from a colony dependent on an European King to a free and sovereign State; . . . British subjects in North Carolina became North Carolina freemen; . . . and all free persons born within the State are born citizens of the State. . . . The term “citizen,” as understood in our law, is precisely analogous to the term “subject” in the common law, and the change of phrase has entirely resulted from the change of government. The sovereignty has been transferred from one man to the collective body of the people, and he who before as a “subject of the king” is now “a citizen of the State.”

State v. Manuel (1838), 4 Dev. & Bat. 20, 24-26.”

It really isn't that complicated. The citizenship of Obama's father is irrelevant. Barack Obama was born in Hawaii. He was not the son of a foreign ambassador or foreign occupier. To the Founding Fathers, he clearly is a “natural born citizen.”


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted March 9, 2010 @ 8:02 pm

It's either a work in progress or the result of a series of electromagnetic disturbances from billions of alien ova rumbling to life just below the surface that was predicted by the meticulous deciphering of the ancient geoglyphs of the Nazca lines in Peru.


ellid
Comment posted March 9, 2010 @ 8:52 pm

Not one sentence of the above is accurate, or true. The poster should be ashamed of herself.


ellid
Comment posted March 9, 2010 @ 8:53 pm

“Didn't he study Harvard Law?”

Sorry, but there is zero evidence that the President was ever eligible to vote in the town meeting in Harvard, Massachusetts, let alone study local by-laws.


ellid
Comment posted March 9, 2010 @ 8:54 pm

UGANDA?????


ellid
Comment posted March 9, 2010 @ 8:55 pm

Uganda? Since when is Honolulu anywhere near Entebbe?


ellid
Comment posted March 9, 2010 @ 8:58 pm

Didn't you know? Only 100% ARYANS can write.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted March 9, 2010 @ 9:06 pm

You spilled out your true intentions in the statement that you didn't vote for 'him'. The questions that voters have that did not vote for Obama are legitimate. The only problem, is that the most important questions that you all have asked have been answered. Obama IS a natural born citizen and that's all that matters. As far as his school records, especially those going back to kindergarten, are not relevant.


bearclaw
Comment posted March 9, 2010 @ 9:47 pm

As you noted elsewhere:

“I certainly do not want my email address to be connected with my political views that I have shared in commenting sections all over the net especially because I deal with far left business associates and I lean right. I had established an online connection with someone that was looking favorably at someone I rep and once this business entity saw and read my comments that showed up they blocked me from ever contacting them again and cost the person I rep their dream job. How can I keep my personal persona separate from my business persona?”

Here's a little clue. Are you familiar with the word “integrity”?

How about integer, integral, integrated?

They all come from the same Latin root, and refer to being complete, whole, undivided. To live with integrity, you can't have different personae. You want to gain benefit from doing business with people you discount as “far left”, while spouting right wing beliefs. Your choice. But don't expect anyone to respect your complete failure to live with integrity.


bearclaw
Comment posted March 9, 2010 @ 9:50 pm

Several times he has referred to the President as the “ursurpin' Ugandan.”


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted March 9, 2010 @ 10:14 pm

It's a mental defect that won't allow a birfer the ability to distinguish between “I mean” and “Amin.” Probably a result of eating all of those paint chips as a kid.


Steve_X
Comment posted March 9, 2010 @ 10:40 pm

Do you think maybe he studied how to represent for and against any President that was anything other than the standard “American soil born by TWO American soil born parents?

You mean like President Chester A. Arthur, who was the son of ONE (count it) American parent and one foreign parent? He probably knew something about that. By the way, claiming that something is standard doesn't actually make it standard. True story.

Being a Democratic politician himself in 2004 don't you think he may have been aware of this bill introduced in 2004 to define and amend the term Natural Born Citizen requirement for POTUS?

And your point is…oh wait, you don't have one. You're just rambling? My mistake. I'll move along.

He took deliberate liberties in “sneaking this past everyone” so no one would challenge him on it….or so he thought.

In sneaking what past everyone…that his father was from Kenya? I guess he didn't do such a good job with that, seeing as how he wrote two books about his life before decided to run for President.

Or maybe, being a Constitutional scholar and all, he knew that it wouldn't matter because he was born on American soil to an American mother.

He simply does not fit the birther belief to be eligible and the term Natural Born has never been resolved in courts or Congress.

Fixed that for you.

Oh by the way, in 2004 Congress was controlled by Republicans. I guess you're trying to argue that Obama paid off the entire Republican delegation of both houses of Congress so that this bill never became law. Is there anything the man DIDN'T think of?


Steve_X
Comment posted March 9, 2010 @ 10:44 pm

“Usurping Ugandan?”

Does President Obama know about this?


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted March 10, 2010 @ 4:42 am

Too afraid to answer bearclaw’s question?


katahdin
Comment posted March 10, 2010 @ 2:27 am

Look out below! It's a steaming pile of crazy.


ellid
Comment posted March 10, 2010 @ 3:44 am

That makes even less sense than the Kenyan crap. Uganda?????


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted March 10, 2010 @ 4:31 am

They don't teach reason, literacy and common sense at the Whirled Nut Daily Skool for Birfer Eksellense. They do learn to blindly follow bigots with 70s porn mustaches and how to copy and paste from anonymous freeper blogs from a pre-approved list. Be a double plus good little birfer.


Lafayme
Comment posted March 10, 2010 @ 5:14 am

Arg! That bill in 2004 that did not get past committee and was not passed meant that beyond the standard
the definition was left hanging. Courts in the past has been all over the place and still Obama's birth father could be called a factor to be challenged …be…cause…it was never resolved.

All Chester Arthur's case means is that would be a case in point for his defense…but still anything other than standard Obama knew could be brought in for question.

It's like bouncers at a bar is told to let in only natural blondes. One scrutinized roots etc. while another lets in any blonde but if the club owner is called in to question one allowed in, he has makes the determinination.

So though Chester Arthur may have gotten through his Presidency without question or ruling by the SCOTUS doesn't mean that if someone brings in the question Obama's lawyers can cite precedence of Chester Arthur but the SCOTUS may still after careful study decide that Obama nor Chester Arthur met the eligibility requirements according to the meaning of the framers of the Constitution.

If the people want to redress this issue and get a ruling that is their right. I think Obama is exactly why the framers put that term in there….because he has a desire to reframe our Constitution because of his desire for our laws to be more in line with Europe's…or even his own homeland…instead of loving this nation and its laws.

He attended Rev. Wright's so called church for 20 years which is a black liberation theology adhereing to the teachings of James Cone which teaches that America belongs to the Indians, that we stole this land …and damn any god that is not for the progression and liberation of the black man. They teach hatred for whites and hatred to America. It has very little to do with the love and mercy of Jesus Christ. Any true Christian knows that Obama is not a Christian and does not know the Jesus that they know.

Obama is an example of what the framers of our Constitution feared would be in office if the child was taught to love other governments instead of their own.

The rest of your inane statements twisting what I say and mean I cannot argue because I have no idea what in the world you mean by it.

I conclude that Obama knew his birth father's citizenship was a factor that could be challenged but he found a way to get past the bouncer.

He's in until it is challenged in a court of law and discovery is allowed.


truepatriotfreethinker
Comment posted March 10, 2010 @ 5:26 am

Yeh, I noticed! Bunch of danged crazy democ~RATS!


truepatriotfreethinker
Comment posted March 10, 2010 @ 5:28 am

McCain's eligibility was an issue to those on the LEFT.
Eligibility issue was huge in 2008 when Obama opponent was focus of attention.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageI…


Lafayme
Comment posted March 10, 2010 @ 6:48 am

OMG! I had no idea that went directly to comments …I thought it went to Disqus. My bad!

I don't have two personas. The work place is nowhere to spout your political beliefs. What person doesn't know that the majority of Hollywood decision makers are far left liberals and clients that I get work for may also be I don't know because I do not discuss politics at work. What I do know is that a director will not give me the time of day to discuss a talent I have if they associate me with my right leaning political views. That has nothing to do with integrity but it is common sense business sense. I rep talent, projects, and events. There are many people that depend on me to feed their families so I cannot afford to burn a bridge with those that can get them work.

But I also am who I am and when not at work I certainly feel it is my right to share my political views with others discussing politics.


Lafayme
Comment posted March 10, 2010 @ 6:57 am

(s.2128) Introduction of bill to define Natural Born Citizen as referred to as the eligibility factor for the POTUS….Barbara Boxer (Democrat) says that the understanding was the standard American soil born child by two American soil born parents…and said that this term has been debated since the framing of the Constitution with rulings and finding all over the place…..It has never been resolved therefore anyone can bring a challenge for or against anyone running for POTUS that is other than the standard belief of what that means.

BARBARA BOXER SAID IT HAS NEVER BEEN RESOLVED IN 2004. Obama knew his case could be debated and that he could possibly lose


youmustbejoking
Comment posted March 10, 2010 @ 7:05 am

Because McCain was born in a foreign country and not even on the base. That was evidently a choice the McCain's made due to Mrs. McCain not liking the ob care available on base.


Anonymous
Comment posted March 10, 2010 @ 3:36 pm

BARBARA BOXER SAID IT HAS NEVER BEEN RESOLVED IN 2004. Obama knew his case could be debated and that he could possibly lose

So you’re saying…what exactly? That Obama single-handedly kept that legislation from getting to the floor? Must’ve been a hell of a feat, seeing as how he was a relatively unknown state senator with little seniority and even less influence. He wasn’t even seated in the U.S. Senate until 2005.

Oh, and when he got there, he was a member of the minority party at the time because Republicans controlled Congress back in 2004.

Do yourself a favor: spend less time on cutting-and-pasting, and more time on critical thinking.


Anonymous
Comment posted March 10, 2010 @ 3:36 pm

BARBARA BOXER SAID IT HAS NEVER BEEN RESOLVED IN 2004. Obama knew his case could be debated and that he could possibly lose

So you’re saying…what exactly? That Obama single-handedly kept that legislation from getting to the floor? Must’ve been a hell of a feat, seeing as how he was a relatively unknown state senator with little seniority and even less influence. He wasn’t even seated in the U.S. Senate until 2005.

Oh, and when he got there, he was a member of the minority party at the time because Republicans controlled Congress back in 2004.

Do yourself a favor: spend less time on cutting-and-pasting, and more time on critical thinking.


Anonymous
Comment posted March 10, 2010 @ 3:51 pm

It most certainly was not.


Anonymous
Comment posted March 10, 2010 @ 3:51 pm

It most certainly was not.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted March 10, 2010 @ 4:16 pm

Birfers also conveniently ignore the fact that George W. Bush and Attorney General, Michael Mukasey swore to uphold the Constitution which would include confirming eligibility of Presidential candidates in 2008 under Article II, Section 1, Clause 5.

So, were Bush and Mukasey in on the conspiracy and got paid off or were they just incompetent?
Or perhaps, more likely, they knew more about eligibility than any idiot birfer pretending to be an expert in U.S. Constitutional law.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted March 10, 2010 @ 4:16 pm

Birfers also conveniently ignore the fact that George W. Bush and Attorney General, Michael Mukasey swore to uphold the Constitution which would include confirming eligibility of Presidential candidates in 2008 under Article II, Section 1, Clause 5.

So, were Bush and Mukasey in on the conspiracy and got paid off or were they just incompetent?
Or perhaps, more likely, they knew more about eligibility than any idiot birfer pretending to be an expert in U.S. Constitutional law.


Lafayme
Comment posted March 10, 2010 @ 4:27 pm

Steve_X that is an inane argument.

I’m saying that he was in politics at the time; this was a Democratic bill that I am sure he was aware of and was surely following the outcome; and all the arguments of the cases in history that showed rulings all over the place in regard to that standard term being interpreted in so many ways; the need for it to be finally resolved as to the framers definition…..and Obama would have no doubt followed the outcome as it would apply to him should he ever decide to run for President. …and he knew the bill never passed and there still remained in tact the ability for anyone to ever bring this into question. …for if any case actually reaches the SCOTUS then who knows what the findings of the SC may be…..No, I don’t think Obama, by himself, did anything. I think it is some power players in the Democratic Party that found ways to squelch any reservations he may have had. In the Illinois Senate race against Alan Keyes in the debate when Alan Keyes brought up the fact that he did not think Obama was an American citizen…Obama in 2004 replied: “Well, I’m not running for POTUS”.

I don’t know what made Alan Keyes doubt his being a citizen at the time. I don’t argue the place he was born as I see arguments for and against it. I do think that the COLB on FactCheck. com is photoshopped as a Harvard Law professor has debunked that but I will take the DOH Sec’y word as definitive….all but her declaration that he is a natural born citizen…because as I said the fact that he is a dual citizen is a matter that can be brought forth and argued because the DOH can no more determine what the founders of the Constitution meant by that requirement for POTUS…so it can be argued and brought forth to the SCOTUS for determination and ruling.

What I think or you think or the Hawaii DOH thinks are like lawyers in a court of law would argue for or against…..the matter is left up to a legitimate and reasonable debate that can and if ever reaches the SCOTUS…both you and I can both cross our fingers as to the outcome.

I wholeheartedly believe Obama is a prime example for my argument that the framers of the Constitution meant specifically American born by two American born parents because the POTUS shouldn’t be so influenced by other types of governments that he would attempt to change our laws to match governments of other lands….and I do thnk that is what Obama is attempting to do. I am concerned that his drawing so close to Marxist and Communist as he said in his book, or being mentored by Frank Marshall Davis, a communist may have had more influence on his idea of what our government should be. He would be a great leader of another country…just not America.

btw: I greatly admire Michelle. The woman is smart and beautiful at the same time. Love Hillary and believe Hillary with Bill at her side would have been my choice. …and yes, I love Sarah Palin. (you might not like her political views but you couldn’t help but like the woman if you read Going Rogue) she’s awesome!..Just love strong opinionated women…I get past the attacks and try to find out what makes them tick.

As for a black President if Alan Keyes ran for POTUS I would not vote for him…but if Michael Steele or Colin Powell ran I would. My ultimate President would be Condie Rice..she is black and a woman, extremely well educated and full of integrity and grit..tough .but sweet and kind and so insightful.


Anonymous
Comment posted March 10, 2010 @ 4:32 pm

I have never understood why his kindergarten records are relevant.


Anonymous
Comment posted March 10, 2010 @ 4:32 pm

I have never understood why his kindergarten records are relevant.


Jim
Comment posted March 10, 2010 @ 4:43 pm

Wait a minute. Let me get this straight. Lafayme is trying to use a bill that the Pubs were trying to pass in order to allow Arnie to run for President to blame the Dems? Then the Pubs dropped it when Arnie lost his luster and wasn’t “Conservative enough” for the Pubs? And she’s blaming Obama? Man, what hole did she crawl out of? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!


Lafayme
Comment posted March 10, 2010 @ 4:44 pm

Seriously??? About the bouncers??? lol…

Yes, Chief Justice Roberts does but it is not in his job description to examine arguments for or against proof for or against anyone being sworn in…That particular job description is to know procedure for swearing in.

I have heard (and my source is reliable) that there are at least two SCOTUS that are preparing for that argument to reach the SCOTUS, I have reason to believe that if it does it will not be favorable for Obama from these two.


Lafayme
Comment posted March 10, 2010 @ 4:44 pm

Seriously??? About the bouncers??? lol…

Yes, Chief Justice Roberts does but it is not in his job description to examine arguments for or against proof for or against anyone being sworn in…That particular job description is to know procedure for swearing in.

I have heard (and my source is reliable) that there are at least two SCOTUS that are preparing for that argument to reach the SCOTUS, I have reason to believe that if it does it will not be favorable for Obama from these two.


Anonymous
Comment posted March 10, 2010 @ 4:50 pm

bspatriotclosedmind………YOU LIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Anonymous
Comment posted March 10, 2010 @ 4:50 pm

bspatriotclosedmind………YOU LIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Jim
Comment posted March 10, 2010 @ 4:52 pm

Wait a minute. Let me get this straight. Lafayme, you’re trying to use a bill that the Pubs were trying to pass in order to allow Arnie to run for President to blame the Dems? Then the Pubs dropped it when Arnie lost his luster and wasn’t “Conservative enough” for the Pubs? And you’re blaming Obama? Man, what hole did you crawl out of? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

I know this because I was in favor of letting Arnie run for President. At that time, Obama was an unknown and had shown no ambition for the office. So, tell me, why do you blame the Dems for what was clearly stated by the Pubs and the media at the time as an attempt to make Arnie “The Governator” eligible for the Presidency?


Jim
Comment posted March 10, 2010 @ 4:52 pm

Wait a minute. Let me get this straight. Lafayme, you’re trying to use a bill that the Pubs were trying to pass in order to allow Arnie to run for President to blame the Dems? Then the Pubs dropped it when Arnie lost his luster and wasn’t “Conservative enough” for the Pubs? And you’re blaming Obama? Man, what hole did you crawl out of? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

I know this because I was in favor of letting Arnie run for President. At that time, Obama was an unknown and had shown no ambition for the office. So, tell me, why do you blame the Dems for what was clearly stated by the Pubs and the media at the time as an attempt to make Arnie “The Governator” eligible for the Presidency?


Anonymous
Comment posted March 10, 2010 @ 4:52 pm

to lafayme……….SHUT UP, Orly………..!!


Anonymous
Comment posted March 10, 2010 @ 4:52 pm

to lafayme……….SHUT UP, Orly………..!!


Anonymous
Comment posted March 10, 2010 @ 4:58 pm

And still waiting, waiting, waiting for:

Proof Obama is “Ugandan”.

Proof Obama was born in Mombasa.

Proof that Obama said he doesn’t wear a flag pin in his lapel because he doesn’t want to offend other countries.

Proof that Norman Thomas ever cooperated with the American Nazi Party (given that he loathed Nazis).

Come on. What could possibly be so difficult! You always seem so confident that you are correct.


Anonymous
Comment posted March 10, 2010 @ 4:58 pm

And still waiting, waiting, waiting for:

Proof Obama is “Ugandan”.

Proof Obama was born in Mombasa.

Proof that Obama said he doesn’t wear a flag pin in his lapel because he doesn’t want to offend other countries.

Proof that Norman Thomas ever cooperated with the American Nazi Party (given that he loathed Nazis).

Come on. What could possibly be so difficult! You always seem so confident that you are correct.


Lafayme
Comment posted March 10, 2010 @ 5:02 pm

That may be true but since my IP address on these forums are from a computer and any number of moderators for various clients may be at the computer…all with different last names and different political views it may be hard to know which one is me I would think. Random moderators also use the same email accounts that are here also.


Lafayme
Comment posted March 10, 2010 @ 5:02 pm

That may be true but since my IP address on these forums are from a computer and any number of moderators for various clients may be at the computer…all with different last names and different political views it may be hard to know which one is me I would think. Random moderators also use the same email accounts that are here also.


Anonymous
Comment posted March 10, 2010 @ 5:05 pm

folks, lafayme is a nut. This statement of her’s in her above post proves it:

“and Obama would have no doubt followed the outcome as it would apply to him should he ever decide to run for President”…

She’s saying that President Obama was “no doubt following the outcome”. I swear, these birfers think that President Obama was planning to run for president since birther, I guess, with a whole gaggle of people all conspiring to help him. When we point out that EVERYONE KNOWS HIS FATHER WAS KENYAN FROM FOREVER AGO, they just ignore that and go on in a continuous loop about two parents…………….crazy dumb ass birfer!!!!!!!!


Anonymous
Comment posted March 10, 2010 @ 5:06 pm

double yawn…………….


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted March 10, 2010 @ 5:24 pm

Or whether or not G. W. Bush even showed up for kindergarten.


Anonymous
Comment posted March 10, 2010 @ 5:30 pm

*rolls eyes*

Do you practice being an idiot, or is it natural?


Anonymous
Comment posted March 10, 2010 @ 5:32 pm

Please state what language this was originally in so I can run it through Google translate. Right now it’s an incoherent mess.


Lafayme
Comment posted March 10, 2010 @ 5:33 pm

(s.2128) http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=s108-2128

Was sponsored by a two Republicans, and Mary Landrieu, a Democrat as well as a slew of other Democrats for the passage of this bill with the strongest arguments in Congress for the bill was Barbara Boxer, a Democrat.

The bill had nothing to do with Arnie (btw: I have dated in my youth) but had to do with allowing foreign born children who were adopted by American born parents to be able to grow up and realize their dreams and aspirations of becoming President.


Anonymous
Comment posted March 10, 2010 @ 5:35 pm

First of all, SCOTUS is an acronym for “Supreme Court of the United States.” There is only one, not several, as your incoherent last paragraph would seem to indicate.

Second, even if two individual justices have somehow fallen for the birther Mickey Mouse (which I do not believe for one minute), It would require a majority of five justices to refer the petition to the full bench. This simply will not happen because the President has already met all constitutional requirements for office.


Anonymous
Comment posted March 10, 2010 @ 5:36 pm

Not to mention that Schwarzenegger himself said that he thought amending the Constitution to allow naturalized citizens to hold office was a lousy idea….


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted March 10, 2010 @ 12:37 pm

It wasn't an issue on the LEFT as you would like to think. It was a legitimate question to those in Congress that voted for a resolution that he was natural born since his parents were both US citizens and he was born outside of the US. The GOP wanted to cover their butts.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted March 10, 2010 @ 12:39 pm

Ever notice how the birfers come in here and post long diatribes with a lot their words all caps? I don't think they're trying to convince us that Obama is illigitimate. They're just trying to reconcile the fact that he is the president in their own minds but they just can't quite grasp the concept because they're so entrenched in the garbage they've read.


Anonymous
Comment posted March 10, 2010 @ 5:40 pm

It most certainly was NOT a “Democratic bill.” The people pushing a Constitutional amendment to allowed naturalized citizens to be President were all Republicans who wanted to draft Arnold Schwarzenegger for President. The whole thing collapsed when a) Schwarzenegger himself said it was a bad idea, and b) he turned out to be a bust as governor.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted March 10, 2010 @ 12:41 pm

You must be constipated. Take some ex-lax. It'll clear out your head.


Anonymous
Comment posted March 10, 2010 @ 5:43 pm

You keep saying that Obama was “following” the legislation. If he was that’s probably because elected officials *gasp* tend to follow and stay abreast of pending legislation. That should come as a surprise to absolutely no one, and there’s a pretty good chance that he was following other pending legislation as well. You keep saying that he was following that Senate bill as if there were some sinister motive behind that, when monitoring Senate (and House) bills it is something that ALL elected officials either do or should be doing on a daily basis.

As far as the Supreme Court is concerned, they’ve refused cert in every birther case thus far. If they wanted to change the definition of natural-born citizen to the birthers’ preferred definition, they’ve had ample chance to do so…and this is AFTER Obama was sworn in not once, but twice by conservative Bush appointee Chief Justice John Roberts. If you think you know more about Constitutional Law than the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, then be sure to drop him a line. I’m sure he would love to hear from you.

As far as Alan Keyes is concerned, he’s pissed because he got his ass kicked by Obama in the IL Senate Race in 2004. Obama got 70% of the vote while Keyes had to settle for a measly 27% (source: http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/IL/S/01/).

The rest of your statement has nothing to do with eligibility and everything to do with the fact that your guy didn’t win. I hate to break it to you but that’s how the electoral process works in this country. Sometimes your guy wins and sometimes your guy loses, but disagreeing with the outcome of a legitimate election doesn’t mean that you can march into a federal court and demand that the judge give you a chance to air your list of grievances. “My guy didn’t win and that’s why I’m pissed” has never been a cause of action. If it was, myself and MILLIONS of others would’ve have been in court for the past eight years trying to get Bush out of office before his disastrous polices undid all of the progress, peace, and prosperity of the previous decade.

Disagree with the President? That’s your right. Think that the state of Hawaii is part of some 50 year plot to cover up Obama’s secret Kenyan birth despite the fact that there is absolutely no evidence that Obama was born anywhere else but Honolulu? That’s also your right. None of those things give you or any other birther the right to tie up the federal court system with ridiculous, fact-free, evidence-free, legally unsound claims and made-up causes of action.


Anonymous
Comment posted March 10, 2010 @ 5:44 pm

Who is this “Osama” person? If you mean Osama bin Laden, he’s a foreign national and a wanted criminal.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted March 10, 2010 @ 12:46 pm

Maybe you should stop your rants, then. I have a talent for finding out who people are and then outing them. The internet is not completely anonymous – even if you are using a fake name. You still leave your tracks behind with an IP number that is just like a phone number that is assigned to your internet connection. If you don't know how to circumvent that, then you're exposing yourself to the world.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted March 10, 2010 @ 12:56 pm

I conclude that Obama knew his birth father's citizenship was a factor that could be challenged but he found a way to get past the bouncer.

What did he do? Show the bouncer his pubes? BTW. I have first hand knowledge that is the way that bouncers determine if a woman is a natural blonde.

What gets me about birfers is their utter disregard for even acknowledging that the Chief Justice probably knows a lot more about constitutional law than they do. Yet, they can't understand that Obama was sworn in by Chief Justice Roberts and he didn't have a moment of pause in doing so even though these questions were all raised way before Obama was elected.

Sorry, your arguments don't hold water.


Lafayme
Comment posted March 10, 2010 @ 5:57 pm

ellid: You are the nut….going bezerk over any debate about your Messiah Obama…You want to cut off my head cuz it is sticking up when others are bowing or something? .Sorry man…I didn’t drink the Kool-Aide…and I don’t think Obama, himself, dealt the Kool-Aide. I think that was done by the Democratic power players and the Main Stream Media. Calm down …he is just flesh and blood like the rest of us!…Really! I mean seriously! I am no threat to you or his Presidency…just spouting my arguments regarding the “dual citizenship” argument.

I take the DOH’s word that he was born in Hawaii although I do question and see other conflicting arguments for and against….just don’t delve that heavily into those matters.

No, I do not think Obama was planning to run for President since birth. I only reason that once getting into politics, or ever pondering about becoming President that he would have been interested in the outcome of that bill that defines that Natural Born Citizenship requirement to be POTUS ….it only makes sense that he would wonder whether the dual citizenship factor would be a debateable factor.

But the bill never passed and so the “dual citizenship” factor could still remain something that could be debated and argued in a court of law. They sure brought McCain before Congress to argue his citizenship but not your Messiah.

btw I don’t call him a Messiah nor do I believe he believes he is one…just you nut cases that get bent out of shape with anyone finding fault with him.

Bring a reasonable argument like others on here not a tirade…a childish tantrum!


Lafayme
Comment posted March 10, 2010 @ 6:05 pm

Hey…I’m not opposed to copying and pasting…and am curious where the heck you get Arnold involved with (S.2128) which was about adopted foreign kids.

I am sorry and do admit that Idid not know that the other two sponsors were indeed Republicans like you said…I just saw Mary Landrieu as one of the sponsors and knew she was a Democrat.

So I stand ready to be educated …find me any reference to that bill being about Arnie.

The fact is that they wanted to see if the definition of the term Natural Born Citizen could be defined and thus amended to afford foreign born but adopted kids the opportunity to some day run for President…but the bill never passed.


Anonymous
Comment posted March 10, 2010 @ 6:23 pm

Unless I’m mistaken, I believe that this was the bill in question: http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1683&dat=20031020&id=fboaAAAAIBAJ&sjid=cEUEAAAAIBAJ&pg=2425,7435509

It was sponsored by Orrin Hatch. He may be a lot of things, but he sure as hell isn’t a Democrat.


Jim
Comment posted March 10, 2010 @ 6:30 pm

So, basically they were trying to add 2(b) to the definition of citizen.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/8/1401.html

And it would have had no affect on Obama. Since he was born to an American citizen on American soil. So, why bring it up?

Let me be real easy on you so you can learn. It was asked point-blank of a Constitutional professor in California to define “Natural Born citizen”, he responded rather simply and eloquently…

“Not Naturalized”

So the above link shows you all the legal definitions of Natural Born citizen and therefor eligible to be elected President

Thanks for being willing to learn rather than just regurgitate WND and Orly talking points. That is a refreshing change.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted March 10, 2010 @ 1:46 pm

If you cite Whirled Nut Daily, then I'll cite the Daily Kos or the Huffington Post. Or maybe even Salon. Fair enough?

http://conwebwatch.tripod.com/stories/2009/wndb…


Jim
Comment posted March 10, 2010 @ 6:50 pm

Well, you can understand the confusion, since Obama was never adopted and we were talking about him. But, since Arnie was not born an American citizen and we assumed you were thinking Obama wasn’t, we were to correct to guess that your intentions were about allowing Naturalized citizens the eligibility for President…especially since that was in the same time frame as you stated. But, since Obama was never adopted, why do you bring it up?


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted March 10, 2010 @ 6:54 pm

“It’s like bouncers at a bar is told to let in only natural blondes. One scrutinized roots etc. while another lets in any blonde but if the club owner is called in to question one allowed in, he has makes the determinination.”Yes, he has makes and models.”I have heard (and my source is reliable) . . . “BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ! ! ! ! “that there are at least two SCOTUS that are preparing”(holy crap, she can’t stop herself)BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ! ! ! !Whew! Thanks. Seriously.


Lafayme
Comment posted March 10, 2010 @ 7:03 pm

Oh Stevie…I think I now see a glimpse of why you guys protest so much….

So I can say that…

Maybe birthers should be the same as “Hanging Chadders”…

In which there were plenty of Congressional hearings about as well as recounts.

….and that 50 year plot accusation is not only inane but is a twisted reasoning by those who oppose anyone who questions information and facts about this man who has sealed all his important documents defying the Freedom of Information Act…..which is the very reason I became interested in all this just a few months ago.

I am not a typical birther I suppose because Ifinally read and accept the DOH’s statement that Obama was born in Hawaii and because I haven’t taken the time to actually delve into all the arguments that Orly,Alan Keyes, and Phillip Berg have on their sites.

I never knew there was a controversy about Obama’s birth until I saw something on a web feed that Lou Dobbs was fired from CNN. I hadn’t watched LD since right after 9/11 coverage of the war in Iraq with imbedded journalist. But always like the man. Then I went to FactCheck and saw that COLB and the flag of race being “African” for father made me question and the fact that the COLB and the birth announcements were hardly “Best evidence” in a court of law…so I questioned things too.

The only evidence I do accept are two conflicting ones: The DOH’s statement and the Harvard Law professor showing how the COLB on Factcheck was photoshopped. My son is a professional photographer and is a master at Photoshop and even he believes that was faked. …and I wonder why is all.

But I settled on the “dual citizenship” factor and that has stuck with me and I wonder why no one brought before Congress a hearing like they did for McCain.

I also believe that Obama because of (s2128) knows that his meeting the eligibility requirement due to his dual citizenship can be reasonably questioned and debated if brought into question or ruling by the Supreme Court. Now as I understand it (correct me if I am wrong) but there simply is no case that reached the Supreme Court that could be heard by them because of the way they were presented….in other words not heard because they were not filed properly. ???

But I contend that a case for argument can be brought on the dual citizenship need for ruling. I also believe with all that is in me that the framers of the Constitution meant to keep out people like Obama because his ideologies that were formed from his father’s homeland and living abroad has influenced him in desiring other types of governments…because in his book he says he “finds the Constitution fundamentality flawed”. Our President should be one that admires and loves our Constitution. …and he has shown over and over again that this is not what his agenda is….He wants to “fundamentally” change America….and what exactly does he mean by that I wonder?


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted March 10, 2010 @ 7:04 pm

“crazy dumb ass birfer!!!!!!!!”That’s putting it way too mildly.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted March 10, 2010 @ 7:09 pm

You are apparently confused in your replies.”going bezerk over any debate about your Messiah Obama.”"They sure brought McCain before Congress to argue his citizenship but not your Messiah.btw I don’t call him a Messiah nor do I believe he believes he is one.”Do you even read the hypocritical crap you post? You just called yourself a liar.(And here’s a clue with no charge. McCain wasn’t called before Congress. The Senate voted and approved a non-binding resolution.http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/ar…)”Bring a reasonable argument like others on here not a tirade…a childish tantrum!”Don’t be a hypocritical “nut case.”


Jim
Comment posted March 10, 2010 @ 7:16 pm

What is even more interesting is the bill you linked to was introduced in February 2004, Obama wasn’t elected to the Senate until November 2004. So, you are saying the bill was introduced with Obama in mind even before he was the Democratic candidate for Senator? That’s stretching it a bit, isn’t it?


Lafayme
Comment posted March 10, 2010 @ 7:17 pm

Jim: Cudos! I love Cornell University’s website also and found most of my arguments there also. Actually I think it is on that website that I found Barbara Boxer’s statement before Congress in supporting (s.2128) that said ….the reason that the Natural Born Citizen term as referred to as eligibility factor for POTUS needed to be defined is because the 14th Amendment was moot on the POTUS term and that court cases in the past were all over the place; that it has always been in a question for debate. …It needed to be defined lest we find ourselves in court debating the issue in some future election…

which would be now!…

The bill didn’t pass, the term Natural Born Citizen as referred to in Article II of the Constitution was never defined and therefore remains fodder for argument.

That just says who all are naturalized or citizens but not applicable to the requirement of the POTUS. It is still a debateable point in a court of law until it is judicially defined and researched by the Supreme Court of the US.


Jim
Comment posted March 10, 2010 @ 7:24 pm

Now, as I look further into the bill, I notice a few other facts that seemed to have escaped your attention:

1) this bill was introduced by Senator Don Nickels, a Republican from OK
2) The hearings were heard on Oct 5, 2004. In front of the Judiciary committee run by the Republicans
3) All this happened BEFORE Obama was even elected Senator!

So explain to me again how Obama had any hand in this legislation? I think you’re full of it. How anybody would have even had a clue that a nobody from Illinois would even be a Senator?


Lafayme
Comment posted March 10, 2010 @ 7:30 pm

Jim…??? I didn’t bring up Arnold. I don’t know nothing about any court case involving Arnold….and of course I know he was not born in America.

I am using the bill introduced in Congress (s.2128) because the arguments given on the Congressional floor by Barbara Boxer as to why it was necessary to have that bill DEFINE NATURAL BORN CITIZEN AS REFERRED TO IN ARTICLE II OF THE CONSTITUTION. Her arguments before Congress in defending her reasons that the term needed to be DEFINED once and for all was because since the framing of the Constitution there are court cases all over the place with conflicting rulings and anyone other than someone born on American soil by two American soil parents can be brought into question with determinations all over the place. Her ending argument for why it needed to be defined once and for all was “should we find ourselves in a debate over this in some future election”.


Lafayme
Comment posted March 10, 2010 @ 7:36 pm

Look in the mirror …I bet your pupils are enlarged!

Why did the Senate vote on McCain? Who brought it up for vote? Has anyone ever brought before the Senate a debate regarding Obama’s citizenship requirement factor?


Jim
Comment posted March 10, 2010 @ 7:37 pm

So, basically what you’re saying is the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court would knowingly allow the Constitution to be breached without so much as a back-room heads-up to the press or anybody in congress, is that correct? 9 Justices? How many appellate court justices? How many Constitutional Scholars at how many institutions across the country? How many former and current Senators, representatives, etc? Man, Obama must be a God, as you blowers contend, to have that many people keep their mouths shut for him.


Anonymous
Comment posted March 10, 2010 @ 7:41 pm

Eligibility issue was huge in 2008 when Obama opponent was focus of attention.

Yet McCain, Obama’s opponent, never once even hinted that Obama was born anywhere but Honolulu. Palin, McCain’s running mate, never even once hinted that Obama was born anywhere but Honolulu. Hillary Clinton, John Edwards, Bill Richardson, Dennis Kucinich…none of them even hinted that Obama was born anywhere but Honolulu.

I guess that proves it then: Obama paid off his multi-millionaire opponent to throw the Presidential election so that he could institute white slavery and turn America into a fascist/marxist/communist/socialist/muslim nation. Oh, and he did this after paying off everyone else in the Presidential race as well. Or something.

For the love of sweet baby Jesus in a manger…use your head for something besides a place to store your collection of pet rocks.


katahdin
Comment posted March 10, 2010 @ 2:42 pm

And not only that, he's touching things, taking showers, and using the bathroom. And shockingly, he's got his whole family in there. They are eating off White House china! The shame! The shame!


Lafayme
Comment posted March 10, 2010 @ 7:43 pm

No I am not saying any such thing. The bill was introduced in Congress because someone wanted adopted kids who were adopted by American born citizens to be able to grow up to have the ability to run for President.

I bring it up because it was a bill that would have addressed the definition and protected anyone who runs for President from any lawsuits such as we are having now. It would have been settled because as Barbara Boxer stated on the floor of Congress there had been conflicting rulings all over the place regarding the standard term.

If I was a dual citizen and ever thought about running for POTUS I would know that my dual citizenship was fodder for argument that I was not eligible to run for POTUS and if I had read all the rulings on the subject since the founding of the Constitution I would know that my situation could be brougt into debate as all the other court cases all had conflicting rulings on the subject and I would be interested in the outcome of that bill.


Lafayme
Comment posted March 10, 2010 @ 7:53 pm

Where in the world are you getting your ideas about what I am saying?

I didn’t say nor imply that Obama had anything to do with this bill…only that I was sure that him being a dual citizen would have been interested in the outcome.

The Republican factor is not a factor as I am sure that no partisan factor was involved in the passing of the bill ….no one at that time fore-saw any potential President that might be affected by it at the time.


Anonymous
Comment posted March 10, 2010 @ 8:00 pm

Let me dissect this carefully.

(1) Barbara Boxer has a BA in Economics. Her statements with respect to issues of Constitutional Law would hardly be authoritative.

(2) I read and re-read the preamble to S 2128. Nowhere does it say that the standard for “natural born citizen” under Article II, Section 1, Clause 4 of the Constitution is “American soil born child by two American soil born parents.” Nowhere. Did you simply make that up?

(3) It is correct that the U.S. Supreme Court has never directly ruled on the meaning of “natural born citizen” in a case under Article II, Section 1. The Supreme Court has never had to decide a Presidential eligibility case, let alone one turning on the “natural born citizen” phrase.

(4) It is true that there is disagreement among legal scholars regarding the scope of the term “natural born citizen.” As the preamble you quoted indicates, the principle area of controversy concerns whether persons born outside the United States, to parents who at the time of the birth are U.S. citizens, are “natural born citizens.” That was the issue for George Romney (born in Mexico to two parents who were U.S. citizens) and for John McCain (born in Panama to two parents U.S. citizens). Indeed, that is why the Senate passed Senate Resolution 511 in 2008, to declare that John McCain was eligible as a “natural born citizen”: http://www.opencongress.org/bill/110-sr511/text

(5) I am not aware of any controversy among leading constitutional scholars, however, regarding the issue of whether a person born in the United States is a “natural born citizen.” The answer, as I have already noted, can be found in the phrase — “natural born subject” — from which it was derived, and which was in useage in the contemporary laws of Great Britain and the colonies. “Natural born subject” meant every person (other than children of foreign occupiers, or children of foreign ambassadors) born in the King’s dominion. If foreigners were simply traveling through the kingdom, and gave birth, the child was a “natural born subject.” The “citizenship” or “allegiance” of the parents was irrelevant. That is the gist of the North Carolina Supreme Court case quoted above. That case was quoted with approval by the majority of the U.S. Supreme Court in United States v. Wong Kim Ark. Although the Wong Kim Ark case is based on the Fourteenth Amendment, it clearly states that principles of citizenship in U.S. law derive from British common law. If you doubt me, read the decision for yourself: http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/historics/USSC_CR_0169_0649_ZO.html

In other words, Barack Obama’s birth in Hawaii makes him a “natural born citizen” even if BOTH of his parents had been noncitizens.

(6) I have been studying and practicing law for nearly 25 years. I have never heard or read of any legal scholar offering the proposition that a child is not a “natural born citizen” unless s/he is born on U.S. soil to parents who both were born on U.S. soil (i.e., even if one or both parents are naturalized U.S. citizens, or are U.S. citizens born overseas to U.S. parents, that isn’t good enough). If you have a citation to a law review article or court decision supporting that interpretation, I would like to see it.

(7) I saw your comment above, to the effect that you have “inside information” that two Justices of the U.S. Supreme Court are ready, willing and able to rule on the meaning of “natural born citizen.” Personally, I think that is utter baloney. You may have heard that from a “friend of a friend,” but your right wing friends are likely engaging in wishful thinking, for several reasons:

(a) The U.S. Supreme Court has already denied review of cases challenging Obama’s eligibility.

(b) The authority to remove a sitting President from office belongs exclusively to Congress, through impeachment by the House and trial and conviction in the Senate. The Justices would permanently damage the legitimacy of the U.S. Supreme Court if they sought to remove Barack Obama from office.

(c) None of the cases currently working their way through the courts will present that question to the U.S. Supreme Court, because the lower courts have not reached the issue of the meaning of “natural born citizen.”

(d) In any event, under the Court’s rules, it takes four votes to grant certiorari.


Lafayme
Comment posted March 10, 2010 @ 8:03 pm

As someone else pointed out that I did not know about was that Chester Author had a foreign born father. ..haven’t checked it out but the guy that posted it seems rather reasonable and certainly is a learned individual so I take his word for it. If it goes unchallenged then so be it.

There is no ineligibility factor that would cause anyone to wonder, speculate or question that the information has already been vetted and documental proof is somewhere that proves he is eligible. If Chief Justice is only to swear him in and not sign off on documents why would he question his eligibility? Did he see any evidence other than a COLB? Was he told to examine his documentation? I don’t know.

What I do know is that the Democratic Party was well aware that the dual citizenship factor could cause debate and could possibly trigger a judicial debate but never brought that into question…

…and no I don’t think all kinds of people were covering up something. Most people assumed that documentation was seen and there simply was nothing to question.

Doesn’t mean that should someone bring it into debate, challenge it, and get a judicial Supreme Court hearing on it …that the ruling might prove to not be favorable to Obama.


Anonymous
Comment posted March 10, 2010 @ 8:13 pm

It takes four votes to grant certiorari (i.e., to agree to review a lower court decision).

I think the acronym Lafayme wanted was “SCROTA,” which is the plural for “teabagger Justices”.


Anonymous
Comment posted March 10, 2010 @ 8:13 pm

It takes four votes to grant certiorari (i.e., to agree to review a lower court decision).

I think the acronym Lafayme wanted was “SCROTA,” which is the plural for “teabagger Justices”.


Anonymous
Comment posted March 10, 2010 @ 8:13 pm

It takes four votes to grant certiorari (i.e., to agree to review a lower court decision).

I think the acronym Lafayme wanted was “SCROTA,” which is the plural for “teabagger Justices”.


Lafayme
Comment posted March 10, 2010 @ 8:19 pm

bearclaw…I am impressed btw…truly! don’t have time to find where I got that statement about american soil born by two american soil born parents….was thinking it was BBoxer argument on the floor of Congress. …I have spent hours on the Cornell Univ. website. Didn’t know I was so interested in law…Should’ve changed my major..ha! Many college and social friends are in the law profession but I don’t discuss politics with my social friends.

but about the SC justices…I believe who I heard it from /known the person since childhood and someone you could have seen as a TV news pundit….what is not known is how the SCJ would rule. …just that they believe that such a court case could be forth-coming and are getting their research in order.

Will read the rest of your response later…gotta go!

Have a good day!


Lafayme
Comment posted March 10, 2010 @ 8:19 pm

bearclaw…I am impressed btw…truly! don’t have time to find where I got that statement about american soil born by two american soil born parents….was thinking it was BBoxer argument on the floor of Congress. …I have spent hours on the Cornell Univ. website. Didn’t know I was so interested in law…Should’ve changed my major..ha! Many college and social friends are in the law profession but I don’t discuss politics with my social friends.

but about the SC justices…I believe who I heard it from /known the person since childhood and someone you could have seen as a TV news pundit….what is not known is how the SCJ would rule. …just that they believe that such a court case could be forth-coming and are getting their research in order.

Will read the rest of your response later…gotta go!

Have a good day!


Lafayme
Comment posted March 10, 2010 @ 8:19 pm

bearclaw…I am impressed btw…truly! don’t have time to find where I got that statement about american soil born by two american soil born parents….was thinking it was BBoxer argument on the floor of Congress. …I have spent hours on the Cornell Univ. website. Didn’t know I was so interested in law…Should’ve changed my major..ha! Many college and social friends are in the law profession but I don’t discuss politics with my social friends.

but about the SC justices…I believe who I heard it from /known the person since childhood and someone you could have seen as a TV news pundit….what is not known is how the SCJ would rule. …just that they believe that such a court case could be forth-coming and are getting their research in order.

Will read the rest of your response later…gotta go!

Have a good day!


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted March 10, 2010 @ 3:21 pm

LMAO ! ! !

Not to be confused with “subpoena,” of course.


Jim
Comment posted March 10, 2010 @ 8:28 pm

We’re debating it right here. And, I’m saying that if what you said is true, every Constitutional Scholar, Supreme Court Justice, Appellate Judge, and even Legal student would have known. It isn’t like Obama kept it a secret. He did write 2 books about it. So, why is it none of those people spoke up? Why is it none of them are speaking up about it now? Maybe because they know better than you, who has not studied the constitution and it’s history? I would say that is more likely than you’re way off base and don’t realize that foreign law doesn’t trump American law in this country. Is not that a much better explanation than yours when you factor in the fact that Obama’s father nationality was neither hidden or unknown to EVERYBODY?


Jim
Comment posted March 10, 2010 @ 8:28 pm

We’re debating it right here. And, I’m saying that if what you said is true, every Constitutional Scholar, Supreme Court Justice, Appellate Judge, and even Legal student would have known. It isn’t like Obama kept it a secret. He did write 2 books about it. So, why is it none of those people spoke up? Why is it none of them are speaking up about it now? Maybe because they know better than you, who has not studied the constitution and it’s history? I would say that is more likely than you’re way off base and don’t realize that foreign law doesn’t trump American law in this country. Is not that a much better explanation than yours when you factor in the fact that Obama’s father nationality was neither hidden or unknown to EVERYBODY?


Jim
Comment posted March 10, 2010 @ 8:28 pm

We’re debating it right here. And, I’m saying that if what you said is true, every Constitutional Scholar, Supreme Court Justice, Appellate Judge, and even Legal student would have known. It isn’t like Obama kept it a secret. He did write 2 books about it. So, why is it none of those people spoke up? Why is it none of them are speaking up about it now? Maybe because they know better than you, who has not studied the constitution and it’s history? I would say that is more likely than you’re way off base and don’t realize that foreign law doesn’t trump American law in this country. Is not that a much better explanation than yours when you factor in the fact that Obama’s father nationality was neither hidden or unknown to EVERYBODY?


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted March 10, 2010 @ 9:25 pm

Where in the world are you getting your ideas about what I am saying?Why did you call yourself a liar?What is wrong with you?


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted March 10, 2010 @ 9:25 pm

Where in the world are you getting your ideas about what I am saying?Why did you call yourself a liar?What is wrong with you?


bearclaw
Comment posted March 10, 2010 @ 5:10 pm

Yes, McCain's eligibility was such a huge issue that the U.S. Senate, by unanimous consent, adopted Senate Resolution 511 on April 30, 2008, stating that McCain was eligible. Unanimous. You don't get much more controversial than that! http://www.opencongress.org/bill/110-sr511/acti…


bearclaw
Comment posted March 10, 2010 @ 5:44 pm

I forgot to provide you a link regarding the cases already turned away by the U.s. Supreme Court: http://althouse.blogspot.com/2008/12/supreme-co… O.K., it is a blog and not a legal authority, but it gives the case numbers.

Another way to think about this is in terms of what is called “political question” doctrine. The Supreme Court has recognized that some issues are, by their nature and by the separation of powers inherent in our Constitution, assigned to the political branches of our government. Thus, for example, while the Constitution requires that every state provide to its citizens a “republican” form of government, the Supreme Court has stated that it is up to Congress and the President (not the federal courts) to interpret and enforce that requirement.

Even if someone can make a plausible legal argument that “natural born citizen” under Article II, Section 1 requires not only birth in the U.S., but one or both parents be citizens, the question is “who decides” whether that is really necessary.

It is clear from the history of our Constitution that the term “natural born citizen” relates to concerns about avoiding a President (and Commander in Chief) who might have foreign allegiances. But in every Presidential election, there are issues about who will be loyal to the U.S., who will best defend the nation, etc. For example, my grandmother wouldn't vote for JFK because she was convinced he would turn control of our country over to the Pope. John Adams (who had served as Ambassador to Great Britain) was denounced by opponents as a monarchist. Certainly in the 2008 election, there was no secret about the fact that President Obama's father was from Kenya. The voters got to hear all of that (at least, if they were paying attention). And over 69 million of them voted for Barack Obama.

In other words, if both the “born on U.S. soil” and “born on U.S. soil to citizen parents” interpretations of “natural born citizen” are plausible, and the whole issue relates to a concern (national security) that is the natural province of the voters to weigh in every Presidential election, why should the Supreme Court even address the issue?


Anonymous
Comment posted March 10, 2010 @ 11:19 pm

That’s my old law school dean, Jesse “Fashion Felonies” Choper you are talking about: http://www.examiner.com/x-9404-SF-Progressive-Examiner~y2009m7d31-Constitutional-law-scholar-on-naturalborn-issue-No-truth-to-that-claim

He sported some amazing sartorial ensembles: camel-hair sportcoat with a red-and-white checked shirt (think Italian diner) and a green tie.


Anonymous
Comment posted March 10, 2010 @ 11:19 pm

That’s my old law school dean, Jesse “Fashion Felonies” Choper you are talking about: http://www.examiner.com/x-9404-SF-Progressive-Examiner~y2009m7d31-Constitutional-law-scholar-on-naturalborn-issue-No-truth-to-that-claim

He sported some amazing sartorial ensembles: camel-hair sportcoat with a red-and-white checked shirt (think Italian diner) and a green tie.


Steve_X
Comment posted March 10, 2010 @ 8:31 pm

Or his baptismal records. Seriously, out of all the irrelevant stuff these guys think they have a right to see, that one takes the cake.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted March 10, 2010 @ 9:21 pm

LMAO ! ! !

Not to be confused with “subpoena,” of course.


Anonymous
Comment posted March 11, 2010 @ 2:28 am

….and that 50 year plot accusation is not only inane but is a twisted reasoning by those who oppose anyone who questions information and facts about this man who has sealed all his important documents defying the Freedom of Information Act…..which is the very reason I became interested in all this just a few months ago.

Well if Obama wasn’t born in Honolulu, then where was he born? Birthers just KNOW he was born in Kenya, which means that there has to be some massive cover-up by a lot of people to conceal that fact, and since Obama is almost fifty years old, well…I think you can see where I’m going with this.

Birthers believe that back in 1961, a nine-months pregnant teenager who lived and went to school in Hawaii decided to hop on a plane to a foreign country halfway around the world to give birth to her child, then fly back home a few days later with a newborn baby in her arms. They believe this to be the case even though 1) there is no evidence that Obama’s mother was ever in Kenya when he was born, 2) a trip that long would have been dangerous for a woman that was nine months pregnant, and there’s almost no way that her doctor would’ve advised her to make such a trip, 3) she probably wouldn’t have been able to even afford the trip if she wanted to go, and 4) taking the trip would’ve meant that she would have had to leave her friends, family, and entire life behind to give birth in a third-world country that wouldn’t have the medical facilities that the west had. In other words, birthers are delusional and irrational.

Obama hasn’t “sealed” any of his documents, and the more you keep repeating that myth the weaker you make your arguments. On top of that, the last time I checked the FOIA covers government records, not personal ones; the entire point of the FOIA is so that people can know what certain government agencies are doing. The extreme majority of the stuff that birthers want “released” doesn’t fall into that category, which is why the FOIA argument falls apart. Like it or not, the birthers have no legal right to see Obama’s school records, baptismal records (?) or anything else.

I haven’t taken the time to actually delve into all the arguments that Orly,Alan Keyes, and Phillip Berg have on their sites.

If you did, you’d realize why the birthers are the laughingstocks of the legal community.

Then I went to FactCheck and saw that COLB and the flag of race being “African” for father made me question and the fact that the COLB and the birth announcements were hardly “Best evidence” in a court of law…so I questioned things too.

Obama’s father’s race was listed as African because…he was from Kenya. Kenya is a country in Africa. That part isn’t tough to figure out. As to your “best evidence” argument, I’m assuming that you’re a not a lawyer so I’m leaving that one alone; explaining the best evidence rule and when/how it is used would take WAY too much space. The COLB contains all of the necessary information to determine a person’s citizenship, and it is prima facie evidence of what is written on it. Under the Federal Rules of Evidence it is presumed to be authentic until proven otherwise. Oh, and Lou Dobbs wasn’t fired; he asked to be let out of his contract and CNN agreed.

But I settled on the “dual citizenship” factor and that has stuck with me and I wonder why no one brought before Congress a hearing like they did for McCain.

*sigh*

Once again, you’re repeating debunked myths. No one brought McCain in for a hearing and made him explain his citizenship. No witnesses testified. No evidence was admitted. There was a Senate resolution that recognized McCain as a natural-born citizen, and this resolution was supported by Republicans AND Democrats. This was done because McCain was born outside of the United States. Since Obama was born on American soil, there was no need for a similar resolution.

On top of that, there is nothing in the Constitution, Supreme Court precedent, Court of Appeals precedent, the USCA of the Code of Federal Regulations that prohibits a dual-citizen from being President. And even if Obama was a dual-citizen, there is nothing in any of those bodies of law that states that a dual-citizen cannot also be a natural born citizen.

Now as I understand it (correct me if I am wrong) but there simply is no case that reached the Supreme Court that could be heard by them because of the way they were presented….in other words not heard because they were not filed properly. ???

The cases haven’t reached the Supreme Court because none of the birther cases have standing. The birther lawyers filing these ridiculous lawsuits apparently don’t understand that a federal court can’t “make” Congress hold a hearing; that’s not how the balance of power between the three branches works. Birthers want a federal judge (or judges) to completely ignore the Constitution and effectively undo the ’08 election by somehow forcing Congress to “investigate” Obama because their guy didn’t win.

I also believe with all that is in me that the framers of the Constitution meant to keep out people like Obama because his ideologies that were formed from his father’s homeland and living abroad has influenced him in desiring other types of governments

That’s your opinion and you’re welcome to it, but that has absolutely nothing to do with his eligibility.


Anonymous
Comment posted March 11, 2010 @ 2:28 am

….and that 50 year plot accusation is not only inane but is a twisted reasoning by those who oppose anyone who questions information and facts about this man who has sealed all his important documents defying the Freedom of Information Act…..which is the very reason I became interested in all this just a few months ago.

Well if Obama wasn’t born in Honolulu, then where was he born? Birthers just KNOW he was born in Kenya, which means that there has to be some massive cover-up by a lot of people to conceal that fact, and since Obama is almost fifty years old, well…I think you can see where I’m going with this.

Birthers believe that back in 1961, a nine-months pregnant teenager who lived and went to school in Hawaii decided to hop on a plane to a foreign country halfway around the world to give birth to her child, then fly back home a few days later with a newborn baby in her arms. They believe this to be the case even though 1) there is no evidence that Obama’s mother was ever in Kenya when he was born, 2) a trip that long would have been dangerous for a woman that was nine months pregnant, and there’s almost no way that her doctor would’ve advised her to make such a trip, 3) she probably wouldn’t have been able to even afford the trip if she wanted to go, and 4) taking the trip would’ve meant that she would have had to leave her friends, family, and entire life behind to give birth in a third-world country that wouldn’t have the medical facilities that the west had. In other words, birthers are delusional and irrational.

Obama hasn’t “sealed” any of his documents, and the more you keep repeating that myth the weaker you make your arguments. On top of that, the last time I checked the FOIA covers government records, not personal ones; the entire point of the FOIA is so that people can know what certain government agencies are doing. The extreme majority of the stuff that birthers want “released” doesn’t fall into that category, which is why the FOIA argument falls apart. Like it or not, the birthers have no legal right to see Obama’s school records, baptismal records (?) or anything else.

I haven’t taken the time to actually delve into all the arguments that Orly,Alan Keyes, and Phillip Berg have on their sites.

If you did, you’d realize why the birthers are the laughingstocks of the legal community.

Then I went to FactCheck and saw that COLB and the flag of race being “African” for father made me question and the fact that the COLB and the birth announcements were hardly “Best evidence” in a court of law…so I questioned things too.

Obama’s father’s race was listed as African because…he was from Kenya. Kenya is a country in Africa. That part isn’t tough to figure out. As to your “best evidence” argument, I’m assuming that you’re a not a lawyer so I’m leaving that one alone; explaining the best evidence rule and when/how it is used would take WAY too much space. The COLB contains all of the necessary information to determine a person’s citizenship, and it is prima facie evidence of what is written on it. Under the Federal Rules of Evidence it is presumed to be authentic until proven otherwise. Oh, and Lou Dobbs wasn’t fired; he asked to be let out of his contract and CNN agreed.

But I settled on the “dual citizenship” factor and that has stuck with me and I wonder why no one brought before Congress a hearing like they did for McCain.

*sigh*

Once again, you’re repeating debunked myths. No one brought McCain in for a hearing and made him explain his citizenship. No witnesses testified. No evidence was admitted. There was a Senate resolution that recognized McCain as a natural-born citizen, and this resolution was supported by Republicans AND Democrats. This was done because McCain was born outside of the United States. Since Obama was born on American soil, there was no need for a similar resolution.

On top of that, there is nothing in the Constitution, Supreme Court precedent, Court of Appeals precedent, the USCA of the Code of Federal Regulations that prohibits a dual-citizen from being President. And even if Obama was a dual-citizen, there is nothing in any of those bodies of law that states that a dual-citizen cannot also be a natural born citizen.

Now as I understand it (correct me if I am wrong) but there simply is no case that reached the Supreme Court that could be heard by them because of the way they were presented….in other words not heard because they were not filed properly. ???

The cases haven’t reached the Supreme Court because none of the birther cases have standing. The birther lawyers filing these ridiculous lawsuits apparently don’t understand that a federal court can’t “make” Congress hold a hearing; that’s not how the balance of power between the three branches works. Birthers want a federal judge (or judges) to completely ignore the Constitution and effectively undo the ’08 election by somehow forcing Congress to “investigate” Obama because their guy didn’t win.

I also believe with all that is in me that the framers of the Constitution meant to keep out people like Obama because his ideologies that were formed from his father’s homeland and living abroad has influenced him in desiring other types of governments

That’s your opinion and you’re welcome to it, but that has absolutely nothing to do with his eligibility.


bearclaw
Comment posted March 10, 2010 @ 11:10 pm

Yes, McCain's eligibility was such a huge issue that the U.S. Senate, by unanimous consent, adopted Senate Resolution 511 on April 30, 2008, stating that McCain was eligible. Unanimous. You don't get much more controversial than that! http://www.opencongress.org/bill/110-sr511/acti…


bearclaw
Comment posted March 10, 2010 @ 11:44 pm

I forgot to provide you a link regarding the cases already turned away by the U.s. Supreme Court: http://althouse.blogspot.com/2008/12/supreme-co… O.K., it is a blog and not a legal authority, but it gives the case numbers.

Another way to think about this is in terms of what is called “political question” doctrine. The Supreme Court has recognized that some issues are, by their nature and by the separation of powers inherent in our Constitution, assigned to the political branches of our government. Thus, for example, while the Constitution requires that every state provide to its citizens a “republican” form of government, the Supreme Court has stated that it is up to Congress and the President (not the federal courts) to interpret and enforce that requirement.

Even if someone can make a plausible legal argument that “natural born citizen” under Article II, Section 1 requires not only birth in the U.S., but one or both parents be citizens, the question is “who decides” whether that is really necessary.

It is clear from the history of our Constitution that the term “natural born citizen” relates to concerns about avoiding a President (and Commander in Chief) who might have foreign allegiances. But in every Presidential election, there are issues about who will be loyal to the U.S., who will best defend the nation, etc. For example, my grandmother wouldn't vote for JFK because she was convinced he would turn control of our country over to the Pope. John Adams (who had served as Ambassador to Great Britain) was denounced by opponents as a monarchist. Certainly in the 2008 election, there was no secret about the fact that President Obama's father was from Kenya. The voters got to hear all of that (at least, if they were paying attention). And over 69 million of them voted for Barack Obama.

In other words, if both the “born on U.S. soil” and “born on U.S. soil to citizen parents” interpretations of “natural born citizen” are plausible, and the whole issue relates to a concern (national security) that is the natural province of the voters to weigh in every Presidential election, why should the Supreme Court even address the issue?


Steve_X
Comment posted March 11, 2010 @ 2:31 am

Or his baptismal records. Seriously, out of all the irrelevant stuff these guys think they have a right to see, that one takes the cake.


Lafayme
Comment posted March 11, 2010 @ 7:13 pm

Steve_X:

They should hire you on their team of lawyers…you are very convincing and helps me in arguments with other hard core birthers. …so thank you. You didn’t just call me names you gave very intelligent and knowledgeable responses. Having a very high IQ I often have to realize that others cannot always grasp what I do so easily. The greatest measure of IQ though is realizing when someone has more learned knowledge of a subject that you do.

I only glanced at some of the accusations about the Kenya birth thing and that is not my understanding of what I thought that they believed.

Here is the scenario that I believed they were saying:

That O’s mother went through her pregnancy in Kenya not Hawaii; had her mother obtain a Hawaiian BC form that could be filled out and sent into the DOH records and it would have looked similiar to this one:

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r14/missnry/SeptBirthCertificateLarge.jpg

(The person that posted that on Photobucket states they believe it to be a forgery)

But that this type BC is considered legal like for students with a permanent residence in America. …Then have her mother send the COLB certificate to her once it came back from the DOH so that it would make traveling back to America easier.

And that she traveled back to America 3 weeks after birth to register for College in Washington.

…that’s what I gathered basically from what little reading I did on those websites. …I have never read where anyone believed that Obama’s mother believed she was giving birth to a future President….now that would be whacko.

btw: here is another website that seems to toss the issue all over the place in comments that really had me at least questioning:

http://www.indonesiamatters.com/2952/barry-soetoro/

Just saying…So far you may have me considering taking off my tin foil hat…


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted March 11, 2010 @ 5:41 pm

“hat the ruling might prove to not be favorable to Obama”

And that is a steaming load of crap and shows your ignorance of the Constitution and U.S. law. If you're implying a sitting President can be removed from office after the fact by a SCOTUS ruling, then you're just as ill-informed and delusional as most birfer idiots including the mad dentist and Queen of Birferstan.


Lafayme
Comment posted March 11, 2010 @ 6:41 pm

bearclaw:

That was quite a history lesson; very plausible; convincing on that one issue regardless if he knew if brought in a judicial hearing that all would not agree on the definition that would include a foreign born parent but:

Should any of the cases reach the US Sup Ct.; and suppose they rule on the definition that it does mean two American soil born parents how well do you think your arguments would stand as for his remaining in office….(like eligible because of popular vote, Chester Arthur, etc) ? I am supposing that the debate you would get would be the precedent case of the North Dakota governor that was removed from office after he was the sitting governor because he was found to be ineligible based on the fact that he had residence there 4 instead of 5 years? How would you rebutt that.

I did have a problem and still do with the what I believe to be a photoshopped copy of the COLB and the birth announcements which I would not call in lawyer speakeze “best evidence” even if the COLB is proven authentic. So I believe that there is something on the long form birth certificate that he would not want known which I will give him benefit of the doubt that any covered/changed info may not even have any ineligibility factor to it …just something he doesn't want out in public view.

I know you voted for him and want to see his success. I, too, loved the hope he gave black people everywhere. He broke that barrier and that was a success beyond words. I wish above all else that he would do as Clinton did and move more to the center. Otherwise I don't see him being re-elected. Those independents and moderate Republicans, that segment of voters in the middle, I don't believe will vote for him again.

But the far left things he is doing to so dramatically change our laws to fit some (it seems) form of European gov't which has affected our sense of security against terrorist nations and the outrageous spending gone amok and all the back room deals….I want him out of there …so yes I may not be a birther in the sense that I know what the heck Taitz, Berg, or others think that they have on him to oust him…I am just for him at least resigning because of a technicality like the two American soil born parents…or something…not to be humiliated or hurt in any way…In other words I want him to change his politics or resign in a way that is not shameful or that he would not be re-elected. Just resign with dignity based on a law that couldn't be changed. …and as you may guess I would hope that Hillary would be our President with Bill by her side. They are great politicians. Yes I mean politicians. I really think that Bill “feels our pain” and will devise a way to alleviate that pain. In other words he sees the will of the people and shifts whichever way he needs to move to please the majority of all the people.

Obama I believe misconstrued what all the people wanted him to do. He has not moved from his leanings of Socialism, he plainly says to Joe the Plummer he wants to share the wealth…he believed the people understood that about him and he had to believe that this is what the people wanted of him: to implement changes in that way…….maybe but not this drastically!


Lafayme
Comment posted March 11, 2010 @ 7:17 pm

Do you by chance work for the Post Office?

Relax will you.. I am not any threat to you or your King.


youmustbejoking
Comment posted March 12, 2010 @ 1:26 am

As far as dual-citizenship is concerned, just because a person may be eligible to obtain it, actual citizenship isn't automatic. That became even more clear during the Winter Olympics that just concluded. Numerous athletes who were born in one country and eligible for another citizenship because of the nationality of one parent were able to compete for the other country ONLY after completing paperwork and receiving a birth certificate from the second country. So these athletes did not have automatic dual citizenship but had to apply for it. So the president never applied to obtain any other citizenship therefore he wouldn't have any dual citizenship to worry about. Being born in Hawaii, he has automatic US citizenship, no matter where his parents were from and since his mom is also a US citizen, there isn't any question as to his citizenship. He was born to it and now he is the president. It is so sad that his poor mom didn't get to live long enough to see the day that her boy grew up to be the President of the United States of America. And what a feat. He, like Bill Clinton, was not born to a rich and powerful family. He never had a silver spoon growing up and earned all he has from his own work. When did Americans stop admiring people who were capable of doing that and instead want to tear them down?


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted March 12, 2010 @ 4:26 am

Your deranged fantasy of removing a sitting President is strangely pathetic, mildly disturbing with regards to your lack of understanding of the Constitution and undoubtedly pointless.

King? You're confused again. In the U.S. we have Presidents. For example, Chester Arthur was our 21st President.

And I'd be willing to bet you don't know the difference between Karl Marx and Groucho Marx.

And now is when you snap back and accuse me of worshipping a false messiah. It's the typical fright wing knee jerk response. And it's so clever to copy and paste from anonymous freeper blogs.

Go on. You've been utterly predictable so far.

(And don't forget your hysterical, unsubstantiated fear mongering:

“This is a scandal on a mammoth scale. It should become the 'BirthGate' like Nixon's 'WaterGate';. It was a deception put forth by the Democratic Party.”)


Lafayme
Comment posted March 12, 2010 @ 4:49 am

Ugh! What an ugly hate filled individual you are! Did your head spin around uncontrollable as you typed that? I hope someone gets you a pan for the pea soup you are about to throw up! Where in the dark recesses of your heart could you muster any sense of love for anyone or anything? I feel sorry for you!

I have a large family that have more politically involved Democrats in it…the Republicans not so involved. I have had some of the same groups of friends all my life, now some of them are Republican ins but just as many are Democrats though only a couple are holding any office…and an old school friend was a part of McCain's campaign. …and through the years I have campaigned just as hard for Dems as I have for the Republicans.

….and what makes you think I am alone…I wish!


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted March 12, 2010 @ 5:07 am

“It is a fact that he attended college at Occidental College under a foreign scholarship and under the name of Barry Soetera …So what is that all about?”

It means that you're among a handful of birfer idiots gullible enough to refer to an April Fool's joke as historical fact.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/o…


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted March 12, 2010 @ 1:51 pm

“Any true Christian knows that Obama is not a Christian and does not know the Jesus that they know.”

And WTF are you to judge someone's private and sacred religious connection? You're an arrogant ass. You should be pitied if it wasn't a waste of time.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted March 12, 2010 @ 2:05 pm

“What an ugly hate filled individual you are!” Re-read the post.

But right back atcha, arrogant hypocrite.

“Any true Christian knows that Obama is not a Christian and does not know the Jesus that they know.” “He simply does not fit the standard belief to be eligible . . .”

Your posts are filled with bigotry and hatred. And the ALL CAPS make you seem SO MUCH MORE authoritative. </sarcasm>

“just you nut cases that get bent out of shape with anyone finding fault with him.”

Typical rubber vs. glue birfer response. You're predictably assuming I'm defending an individual rather than your blatant disregard or ignorance of our democratic process, precedence and law.


ellid
Comment posted March 12, 2010 @ 4:12 pm

The only king I acknowledge is His Majesty Konrad von Ulm, King of the East in the Society for Creative Anachronism. He was born somewhere in New Jersey, I believe.

President Obama is not presently a member of the SCA, but should he join and win Crown Tourney, I would of course consider him my king. Until then he is simply the President, and I very much doubt that he would have the time to attend Pennsic until he leaves office…..


ellid
Comment posted March 12, 2010 @ 4:14 pm

Your family is not relevant. Your appalling public posts are.


ellid
Comment posted March 12, 2010 @ 4:40 pm

The President was baptized in the United Church of Christ, a mainline denomination descended from the old Congregational Church of the Puritans in Massachusetts. Since when is this NOT “true Christianity”?


ellid
Comment posted March 12, 2010 @ 4:43 pm

Thank for the correction. I was confused by the number necessary to hand down a decision. :)


Lafayme
Comment posted March 13, 2010 @ 9:15 am

Obama said that Rev. Wright led him to the Lord. I have been to Rev. Wright's churches website and then read the writings of the Reverend's mentor, James Cone. Rev. Wright lauds Cone with praise and offers his books on his website.

Cone's writings will tell you that the only reason Jesus Christ is “adopted” as their choice of “God”, Lord, or Saviour is because they identify his suffering as akin to the black man's struggles. …but they are adamant in saying: “Damn any god that does not deliver and stand on the side of the black man.” Please note that his is not any quote here that I am taking word for word….but is the gist of what I, myself, gather as to what could mold as Obama's influence in his religion. I set about discovering for myself when I was sent Youtube links to “Obama mocks the bible” and I was thinking maybe that was out of context but I then found a YouTube where he gave a speach at some Prayer Breakfast. The gist of what he said was his “born again” experience was that he saw the needs in the community and becoming a community organizer made him a doer of the word and not a hearer only…or something like that. ….and any actual Christian seeking the Lord , having an a true conversion would speak in this way. Christians more or less recognize another Christian. Yet, based on the teachings he has had we would understand his believing he has the same faith ….but sadly it is not.

The gist of true Christianity or being a good Catholic is recognizing that you are a sinner , confessing those sins almost like when an alcoholic reaches bottom, and crying out to God for salvation. “This poor man cried and God heard and answered him”….The point in which God thru Jesus Christ answers someone is that “born again” experience. You have never ever known love for another human being that comes close to those to that overflowing sense of being loved by the God of the whole universe even. It's beyond awesome. From that point on you spend your life chasing that “high”…:)…! You quit doing so many things and try to change, read the Bible, pray constantly and occasionally you are rewarded with the engulfing of love flowing forth to you. That experience does transform you…doesn't make you perfect…but you know He who is perfect has visited you….best example of someone so transformed to me is George Forman, the boxer. You see Jesus, his love bursting out of his very being. That only lets another Christian know that they still are not there yet.. I know there is more I need of God, more that is required of me…so until I see what George Forman sees when he looks in a mirror then I will keep on keeping on.

Well, you asked…(smile)


Lafayme
Comment posted March 13, 2010 @ 9:26 am

ellid:

I want to apologize to you for anything I have said to you personally. That was wrong of me and I am truly sorry!…guess you hit a nerve in me and angered me. I don't even know what you said or what I said…only know that I feel bad about spouting out in anger to you.

Steven_X really convinced me of many things and settled the constant questions that seemed to never ending. I had a quest to discover what was hiden, curious, maybe and I did jump on a band wagon that wasn't exactly where I wanted to go.

Your ideologies and leanings are far to the left of me and so we may never agree on anything but I respect your loyalty to Obama. I am just as loyal to someone else that I know you would attack me big time about…so I don't like it when my favorite person is attacked either.

So again, I apologize and wish you the best.


Lafayme
Comment posted March 14, 2010 @ 8:32 am

Wow! So your diagnosis counselor is that that I am psychotic because I occassionally TYPE IN ALL CAPS…? hmm? hmmm? hmmm?


Lafayme
Comment posted March 14, 2010 @ 8:45 am

I have never voted for Alan Keyes nor would I.

I was a Hillary supporter …Now that is something I do believe has a hint of conspiracy about it….I tend to believe that some dead fish were delivered to some super delegates to change their votes to Obama. Makes me think of what is going on in Congress with the ObamaCare behind closed doors.

btw…for the time being Steve_X on here argued his points very intelligently and respectfully and my main thing (hope) was the dual citizenship but he has convinced me that debating that would be futile…so for now I do back away from the entire issue.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted March 14, 2010 @ 2:05 pm

Parrot.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted March 14, 2010 @ 1:03 pm

“Do you practice being an idiot, or is it natural?”

It's a reasonable question.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted March 14, 2010 @ 2:06 pm

Hypocrite.


ellid
Comment posted March 14, 2010 @ 9:02 pm

My loyalty is to the United States of America, not to the President personally. Are you out of your mind?


ellid
Comment posted March 14, 2010 @ 9:03 pm

I don't think she's a hypocrite, but she's certainly not very intelligent or perceptive.


youmustbejoking
Comment posted March 14, 2010 @ 9:45 pm

Who are you to question whether the president is “a true Christian”? Did God make you the judge of Christianity and what is in someone elses heart and mind? I must of missed that appointment. Don't recall that happening. Surely God would let someone know other than you that you are the judge of all things Christian? If know one knows, how can your work be received? Are there stone tablets like with Moses? Scrolls, like Joseph Smith? Maybe He just sent you an email?


youmustbejoking
Comment posted March 14, 2010 @ 9:59 pm

The 4th to the last sentence should read “If no one knows, how can your work be received?” Didn't have my glasses on.


irritatedprof
Comment posted March 15, 2010 @ 6:19 pm

Maybe directors won't give you the time of day because you write like a moron? I mean, forget about your opinions– ever hear of “grammar”? Directors read stuff for a living; I bet that half way through a note from you they're thinking, “Jeez, how do I keep fifth graders from writing to me?”


Anonymous
Comment posted March 16, 2010 @ 12:12 am

This is the kind of response that represents the curse of the uninformed. If I don’t like it then I don’t want to hear it. A document that represents one side of one of the worlds most critical episodes is discounted due to dislike. That’s how you get a bunch of mental lazy bones running around labeling everybody everything and not knowing anything about the issue. I suspect TP dislikes most books and therefor knows less than most but hides behind his true patriot banner (mission accomplished) as if he has all the real American answers. Truth be known, he probably can’t knowledgeably answer to anything. One thing is for sure. His posts are just words (talking points) backed by what his barber told him.


Anonymous
Comment posted March 16, 2010 @ 12:16 am

TP- at best you are a silly juvenile. In fact, are you one of those nerdy 17 year olds’ with a bad case of agoraphobia that relates to the world with a computer and a pedestrian sense of humor (nothing better to do)?


Anonymous
Comment posted March 16, 2010 @ 12:19 am

TP is hot for Ornery Teats. The good news- he’s getting his NASCAR G.E.D. soon, with oak leaf cluster.


Anonymous
Comment posted March 16, 2010 @ 2:30 am

Some comments of ideologues here are pathetic. My question to all idiots who keep pursuing this matter is simple. Obama is the President, and what are going to do about it? I chose this question because some of you learned friends know a lot more than entire country, the Supreme Court, Congress, House of Representatives etc. My guess is there is nothing you can do about it. So keep entertaining us and get used to it. Oh how I wish McCain had won the presidency, because these the Republi-CANTS at least thirty more years to get the Presidency. So in the meantime, feel free to whine and moan until your face turns blue, but he will remain president until the people who put him there remove him from office.


Lafayme
Comment posted March 16, 2010 @ 3:37 pm

keithtaylor:

I am somewhat resigned to the fact that the birth issue will never go anywhere. There were court cases challenging his eligibility factor before he was sworn in with no settlement. As far as I can see most cases or challenges have come from Hillary supporters but the ones taking up the issue, who don’t care if they are labeled wingnuts, are the very segment of the population in the middle that resulted in his election going over the top.

I had hoped that the dual citizenship would be cause enough if brought before the Sup Ct would be what would cause him to be removed with dignity and would still lend him a place in the world to become world leader someday.

His ideologies are now proven to be too far to the left of those that could bolster another win for him so I really hate that the enormous hope has waned and well as his tremendous popularity. But the machine behind him, imo, has done this to him by pushing such outrageous policies. I guess they thought his popularity was a mandate for all the things that the majority of America never has supported or wanted. …and I think if they pass this stinking really bad Obamacare bill especially this way will be his death nail.

If he will move more to the center like Bill Clinton then he may have a chance to redeem his legacy.


Lafayme
Comment posted March 16, 2010 @ 5:09 pm

You are such a pseudo-intellilectual. Why don’t you just edit my spelling and grammar errors in red and return the writings with your grade, professor!…:)!! That’s hilarious!

Low rent? I doubt very seriously that we have mingled in the same inner social groups…well, I could drop some names but suffice it to say I have high school and college buddies even that are now famed individuals that are Dems as well as Repubs. I even have a friend that stays over when he is in town that is personal friends with Robert Gibbs as well as a friend known since high school that calls when he is in town who was on McCain’s campaign team ..and who is an often pundit on TV news shows.

A whore? hmm? What are you 13 years old or something?…fyi: I have been celibate for almost two decades.

An idiot?…My IQ I happen to know is as high or higher than yours.

A parrot? Can’t even find anyone that I agree with on every issue.

My kids are loved and respected leaders in their own professions and in inner social circles.

But you are the bigot with myopia that only parrots left winged ideologies and will never even argue respectfully with any one with a different opinion than your own. …and your message to me is one of extreme vicious, hate filled accusations based on twisted ideas of what you think I am all about.


Lafayme
Comment posted March 16, 2010 @ 3:49 pm

when I am typing in comments so hurriedly …no I don't care to correct typos or care about grammar. I would gladly compare any Mensa test to yours. :)! Also I never received below a 4.0 in creative writing. Most of my published writings were a matter of recordings that I had typed up for me for mininum wage.

Besides the ones opening up your chest with a scapel are the worst in spelling and English grammar so your point is inane.


irritatedprof
Comment posted March 16, 2010 @ 4:12 pm

Well, maybe if you took more time you wouldn't come off as an illiterate. And maybe if you took even more time you'd realize that your opinions are moronic– like, for example, saying that surgeons are terrible at spelling and grammar (says who?), as if that has any bearing on expressing an intelligible political opinion.

By the way– people who brag about their Mensa membership… oh, never mind.


Lafayme
Comment posted March 16, 2010 @ 4:22 pm

Some say the Crusaders were Christians and they were merely hired thugs. Being Christian can be said of anyone who just may say they believe that Christ once lived. Even Muslims believe he was a prophet but would surely deny that this makes them Christians. Jehovah Witnesses believe he was a great teacher but they also shy away from being called Christian.

Obama said himself that Rev Wright was who “introduced him to Jesus”. But go to Rev Wright's church's website and you will see books by James Cone offered there…as well as Rev Wright's statements, himself, saying he adheres to the teachings of James Cone.

The Black Liberation churches such as Rev. Wright's state: “damn any god that does not stand on the side of the black man”. They merely “adopt” Jesus as god because they relate his sufferings to the sufferings of the black man.

Like an alcoholic that reaches bottom and turns their lives around recognizes when another alcoholic has not reached their bottom…so a true Christian knows another that has not experienced the saving grace of Jesus Christ. The beginning of an alcoholic being able to turn their lives around by coming to the knowledge that they are an alcoholic….a true Christian comes to the knowledge (their bottom) that they are sinners with no way to save themselves and that Jesus Christ saved them when he took their sins to that cross and shed his blood for them. There comes with this “a born again experience”…something that occurs that overwhelms them with humble appreciation of what Jesus did…you are flooded with His love for you. You want to share that love with others yet you soon realize that your new knowledge is dismissed by those that think they already have all the 'god' in their lives that they want. You easily recognized those that have not 'experienced' what you have…..and if a true Christian ever tells you that you are going to Hell…they do so with tears in their eyes. In other words it is a sad thing to know that someone with a forged scalped concert ticket can stand in line for hours and yet you know they will never be able to get passage into the concert with those tickets. It's not being a God in judgement …it is a knowledge based on experience.


Lafayme
Comment posted March 16, 2010 @ 5:27 pm

Well, since you nitpick that statement..let me just correct that:

Years ago I worked at Duke and yes those in administration oftened joked about the fact that most doctors had atrocious handwriting and just seemed to scribble their notes in incoherent sentence fragments. Each page of a manuscript before sending to press for those medical manuals looked like a sea of red markings. So yes I do think that most of the surgeons I knew were terrible in spelling as well as grammar.

I don't pay the dues so I am not a current member of Mensa. You call me an idiot and with all the IQ tests that I have had I happen to know I am most definitely not. I just think it is silly for someone who does not know someone else's level of knowledge to label them such simply because they do not agree with them.


Lafayme
Comment posted March 17, 2010 @ 12:12 am

Steven_X:

You know I have an enlightened respect of your expertise and have said so…so why pick on me as the others have.? …and don’t get all bent out of shape by the all caps usage. I type in a hurry and often with many interruptions and may start just a word in all caps to empathize that word and just forget to “uncap” the rest of the sentence. ..No big deal really!


Lafayme
Comment posted March 17, 2010 @ 12:16 am

“Us”???? Are you saying that commenting on here has put me before Obama’s death panel, huh?..lol
…Oooo my goodness sakes alive, child!

…You really need to leave your mama’s basement buddy!


youmustbejoking
Comment posted March 16, 2010 @ 7:25 pm

Your response proves you are one of those people who truly don't live up to Christ's teachings because first and foremost, it isn't your place to judge. You have no way of knowing what is in the heart of President Obama and you haven't had the opportunity to “look into his eyes” or otherwise be close enough to know. I would dare say that while you may get an inkling of what goes on inside the Rev. Wrights church, unless you have been there, you have no right to judge. Have you ever been in a black church? Any black church? Do you think any real God wouldn't be on the “side of free black men”? That is what the rev is referring to you know. The freedom. Many of our “founding fathers” are being held up as Christian by people today that insist the US is a Christian nation, founded on Christian principles. Do you think God was on their side when they were slavers? When they owned slaves? You think that is what God intended for people to do? Do you have a flipping clue about what Rev Wright might be talking about? I think not. You are going to sit there and self righteously express your Christianity while dismissing another's, whom you do not even have the insight of a personal relationship, and dismiss them as “not a true Christian”? Keep that up and perhaps you will be the one is surprised on judgement day. I do know that I don't want your brand of “Christianity” anywhere around me or mine. You obviously don't know the same Christ I do. I like mine better.


irritatedprof
Comment posted March 16, 2010 @ 10:14 pm

Well, since I said you come off as illiterate and that your opinions are moronic, but never actually called you an idiot, I guess you can add reading comprehension to the list of stuff you don't do well.

Right above that on the list– incapacity to reason logically, not just because of the birther drivel, but because you've got no problem extrapolating from some jokes made by one group of people to arrive at the gospel truth about all surgeons everywhere. And, really, anybody capable of a sentence like “Each page of a manuscript before sending to press for those medical manuals looked like a sea of red markings” has no business commenting on anybody else's grammar.


Lafayme
Comment posted March 16, 2010 @ 11:43 pm

Do you realize how hard headed you are? You are the one slamming me. I only commented in defense. I was saying that sentence structure in an informal commenting section is not necessarily indicative of one's intelligence because even the greatest surgeons in the world are not necessarily the best when it comes to being masters of English grammar/spelling.

How is this?

I became aware of several renowned surgeons that appeared to have a problem with sentence structure, spelling , as well as grammar. There were many manuscripts that came back from editing with a plethora of red markings.

Wow! at least I was promoted from “idiot” to “moron” …maybe an idiot is capable of feigning moronic level. Well, bless my pea picking heart!


Lafayme
Comment posted March 17, 2010 @ 5:35 pm

To youmustbejoking:
You accuse me of judging when beginning with your first sentence your entire message is judging me…and a twisted judgement based on your own negative prejudjement of me.

I didn't just glance at Rev. Wright's church's website. I spent hours reading up on him and his beliefs. …and you are so wrong about me not attending black churches. Not only have I been to all black churches where I was the only white person there but I have attended black churches throughout my life since my toes barely could touch the sawdust in tent revivals; before anyone ever heard of Martin Luther King even. One of my oldest and dearest best friends is a female black preacher. I have for two decades helped her in soup kitchens and in ministry to the homeless.

I grew up in a rural community over a mile from the nearest white person. My childhood playmates were black children, our nearest and dearest neighbors. I was actually 16 when I found out that anyone had prejudice against black people. Yet at 16 I then reflected on two other incidents that could have hinted that black people were treated differently. Once when I was 6 yrs old and our fathers took us to a Western movie and my friend and her daddy went up to the balcony and I was not allowed…and I thought I was the one being prevented from being up so high. When I was 9 yrs old we took our clothes to the laundrymat and I said “No Mama you can't take the dark clothes in because it says “White Only”. Though I remember those things I thought my parents must not have ever explained that it was a reference to blacks. When I was 16 is when I was taking a city bus for the first time and had made friends with a young girl at the bus stop bench. When we got on the bus I hurriedly jumped into one of the first seats as she went to the back …I said we can get off quicker if we sit up front. She didn't say a word and continued to go to the back. Confused I got up and followed her to the back and everyone was looking at me strange. She then told me that she was not allowed to sit up front. Then she told me it was because she was “colored”. I then went to the bus driver and I was going to be able to tell her she was so wrong about that but the bus driver said “I know it doesn't seem fair…it is just the way it has always been.” I went back and asked her “Well does that mean you think that I cannot sit with you then”? I cried and a sweet black lady just held me. She told me “One day honey someone like you will change all this, won't you…and I said “Yes”..I will. …but it would be Martin Luther King that really changed things.

People say all the time that southerners are prejudice but I ask you if that is so why did I have no idea of prejudice or difference until I was 16 years old?

Having a relationship with Jesus Christ is having had that initial “born again” experience where you know that you yourself are palm scum and there is no salvation had He not reached down further than you can reach up.

This is a Christian nation based on Judeo-Christian morals and laws. Our founding fathers held prayer meetings and fasted and prayed for divine wisdom to form our Constitution. As long as our Government is based on that Constitution then that is our foundation. That is like a Baptist church is founded by the Baptists and all their tenets are based on Baptist's tenets. It doesn't matter is every person in the church are all Muslim or any other faith. The church was and is based on Baptist foundation. So no matter how many Muslims come to our nation that could even outnumber the Christians …this is a Christian nation because the founders of the nation were predominantly Christian.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted March 19, 2010 @ 1:15 am

How is this? You're a natural bigot. It doesn't have to involve race. It could be religion or occupations or politics. You provided the proof.


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Comment posted September 6, 2011 @ 4:44 am

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