Marc Thiessen Truly Has No Idea What He’s Talking About on Interrogation

These demagogues are freaked by the prospect of being out-maneuvered by Obama on nat'l security—-watch 'em squirm & listen to 'em squeal like stuck pigs

So because Casablanca and Madrid weren't stopped, which were likely in the plans after Zubeydah and KSM were nabbed this makes the techniques invalid.
The ISI most likely gave up Kabir, as he is most likely their client. So now the Army field manual doesn't prohibit certain practices, really isn't that the source
of your new embrace of General Petraeus

It is obvious that these guys are using the fallacy that torture provides results that normal interrogation doesn't because of their personal proclivities towards sadism. They know beyond a shadow of a doubt that techniques designed and developed to provide false confessions are not all of a sudden going to provide reliable intelligence.

Also, the real results of civilized interrogation are just too obvious to ignore whereas they have yet to show anything substantial induced by torture. Cheney kept talking about two classified documents that would show torture results, but when they were declassified, they did nothing of the kind. Now here the best that Theissen can do is drag up the same lie that Bush used way back when and which, as noted in the article, has been repeatedly shot down in flames.

Read Freedman's quote again. He is not just talking about AZ and KSM.

“…despite the torture of senior al-Qaeda captives like Abu Zubaydah and Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, several attacks in Europe and throughout the Middle East nevertheless occurred.”

And your point is?

Why didn't anyone bring up the 100 + “detainees” who died in American custody? The three who “committed suicide” in Guantanamo by binding their own hands and feet, ramming rags down their throats and then hanging themselves? Has it occurred to this meathead that if a prisoner gives no useful intelligence it's because he may not know any? The three men in Guantanamo probably died precisely because they couldn't give their tormentors information they didn't know. And therefore, the “highly trained professionals” didn't stop abusing them until they were dead.

And if I hear the phrase “kept us safe” one more time, I will throw up.

You forgot to add Zazi to the list. Apparently to protect his parents from prosecution and deportation he is cooperating with the Feds.

well it does produce “results that normal interrogation doesn't,” because the tortured will say whatever the interrogator wants.

Obviously bad for intelligence-gathering, but works for justifying a war. Bush/Cheney, in my view, had a vision for which they wanted proof, and torture is the only way to get it.

[...] and enact tax cuts. but dont defend mccains nth self-preserving lie and dont tell me we are less safe because we no longer torture. because when you do those things youve taken the leap from politics [...]

Using family members is actually in the field manual–it's the “Love of 'fill in the blank'” approach. Often family and loved ones are used in the “love of” approach, but not in person like here. Obviously, very effective. Most of the field manual's approaches are based on basic human emotions: love, hate and fear and no amount of resistance training can alter one's emotional state (even a big bad al qaeda terrorist). I write as a 97E having used these techniques effectively against high value detainees. Soufan is absolutely right; Thiessen is a fool.

We should be thankful for Marc Thiessen because he reminds us, in the absence of Sarah Palin, that 1/3 of the country is retarded.

But torture is so…butch. It makes some of us feel as if we were Real Men, and isn't that's what's most important?

But torture is so…butch. It makes some of us feel as if we were Real Men, and isn't that's what's most important?

[...] Bush speechwriter Marc Thiessen, have argued that Obama’s order has cost U.S. interrogators “any tools at our disposal” to “compel” information out of terrorist captures. But in a talk at Fordham University last [...]

[...] Bush speechwriter Marc Thiessen, have argued that Obama’s order has cost U.S. interrogators “any tools at our disposal” to “compel” information out of terrorist captures. But in a talk at Fordham University last [...]

[...] Bush speechwriter Marc Thiessen, have argued that Obama’s order has cost U.S. interrogators “any tools at our disposal” to “compel” information out of terrorist captures. But in a talk at Fordham University last [...]

[...] speechwriter Marc Thiessen, have argued that Obama’s order has cost U.S. interrogators “any tools at our disposal” to “compel” information out of terrorist captures. But in a talk at Fordham University last [...]

[...] speechwriter Marc Thiessen, have argued that Obama’s order has cost U.S. interrogators “any tools at our disposal” to “compel” information out of terrorist captures. But in a talk at Fordham University last [...]

[...] Bush speechwriter Marc Thiessen, have argued that Obama’s order has cost U.S. interrogators “any tools at our disposal” to “compel” information out of terrorist captures. But in a talk at Fordham University last [...]

Banning torture makes us much, much safer:

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But torture is so…butch. It makes some of us feel as if we were Real Men, and isn't that's what's most important?