Anti-Jihad Underground

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Friday, February 19, 2010 at 10:57 am

As the bulk of CPAC attendees filed into the Marriott Ballroom for speeches by Gov. Tim Pawlenty (R-Minn.), Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa) and Rep. Mike Pence (R-Ind.), more than 400 people crowded into an adjacent room to join in the launch of the Freedom Defense Initiative: “Jihad, the Political Third Rail.” At the door, security guards checked IDs — they were trying to keep one specific, unnamed person out of the room.

“The only event on the CPAC schedule about terrorism was ‘Why real conservatives oppose the war on terror,’” said Pamela Gellar, who blogs at Atlas Shrugs and is a rock star among terrorism-focused conservatives. They’d invited a writer for the libertarian AntiWar.com to participate in that panel, said Gellar. “Why don’t they just have Cindy Sheehan?”

“She takes names,” marveled one student near the doors, right before Gellar called the Christmas Day terrorist the “balls bomber.”

“He’s got more balls than our political elites, right?” she said.

In the front of the room, images of Muslim riots played on a pull-down screen, stopping when the speaker line-up got started. In the back, signed copies of “Muslim Mafia” were on sale. The line-up of speakers included “The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam” author Robert Spencer, former Pentagon analyst Steve Coughlin, and congressional candidate Lt. Col. (ret.) Allen West. And the first speaker was Wafa Sultan, a former Muslim who won fame in 2005 for her combative debates on Arab-language TV.

“It seems that Obama’s administration is not yet prepared, and neither was President Bush,” said Sultan, to call out Islam as an “aggressive and violent ideology that aspires to world domination.”

Sultan spoke slowly, apologizing for her accent — the only interrupting sounds came from the room’s air conditioner. “September 11 was a tragic moment in history,” said Sultan. “The integration of Islam in our society is a subject of equal concern. I urge each of you to fight the application of Sharia law in this country.” She closed by paraphrasing Thomas Paine. “If there must be trouble, let it be in my day so that my child can live in peace. Islam is here. Let us deal with the evil of Islam now. Right now! So our future generations can live in peace!”

Sultan wrapped up, nodded at her standing ovation, and apologized again for her accent.

“The truth is intelligible,” said Spencer, “no matter what the accent may be.”

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mantis
Comment posted February 19, 2010 @ 1:45 pm

Freedom Defense Initiative? Why don't they just call it Holy War, Inc.?


ram
Comment posted February 19, 2010 @ 6:41 pm

@ Mantis
Waging holy war is reserved for the islamic jihadi's


sasboy
Comment posted February 19, 2010 @ 10:45 pm

“aggressive and violent ideology that aspires to world domination.”

Really ? What does the woman think of US foreign policy, one wonders ? One only need to take a look at the hundreds of military interventions the US has been involved with across the world to discover who and what aspires to world domination –

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_United…


sasboy
Comment posted February 19, 2010 @ 10:54 pm

Surprising how Ms Sultan maintains a remarkable silence over the US's attacks on her own country –

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5h9sFe5NugX1…


Travis
Comment posted February 19, 2010 @ 11:06 pm

Seems everyone posting a comment has an agenda or a completely closed mind. Let’s hear what Geller, Spencer and company have to say, after all, 13 people died at Ft. Hood from the hand of a man screaming, Allah is great.


man_in_tx
Comment posted February 20, 2010 @ 1:20 am

You mean like the mujahadin, who call it, “jihad” (Read: Muslim version of Holy War). I guess they are allowed to speak openly, but we have to parse our words and apologize (while we send our troops to face these brigands)?


gues
Comment posted February 20, 2010 @ 1:23 am

You have apparently absorbed well the America-hating bile force-fed you by your teachers and college professors. Oh, and you obviously haven't a clue what the world is like beyond your mother's basement. If you want to see “brutal,” watch a few stonings and beheadings online, courtesy of your friends in the “religion of peace.”


Euro2000
Comment posted February 20, 2010 @ 4:27 am

I think the main thing is not Holy War but to get the message out that Islam is both a political and religious ideology. If you read the Koran 9:29 it clearly lays out how Muslims are asked to fight to bring all non-Muslims under Islamic law ~ it actually says until they 'feel themselves subdued'.

And remember that Robert Spencer is a descendant of Armenians who had to flee the Turkish genocide. And recently the Turkish PM said 'No Muslim can perpetrate a genocide'.

In Europe it is particularly bad because Muslims are pushing for the overturn of rights ~ for laws which reflect the Shari'a. In more than a few cases Left-leaning politicians are showing a willingness to go along with it.

If you check out these Islamic and jihad watch type of sites ~ most of the articles are from major news sources and they indicate a troubling trend towards islamization or Islamic type laws.

Malaysia [can't leave Islam], Indonesia [stoning], Maldives [no non-Muslims can hold citizenship] ~ to name a few. There is a jihad being waged in Southern Thailand [Buddhist monks and school teachers attacked] and the Philippines ~ in each case they are looking to establish an Islamic state.

In Europe there are regular calls for Islamic Shari'a law, for amputations, floggings and other such punishments to 'help society'.

This is not the passive [largely] Islam we saw pre-9/11. This is an assertive Islam that wants to see Islamic Shari'a for all.

Is the US exempt ~ Dalia Mogahed is always talking about the Shari'a !!

Remember that the purpose of terrorism is for Islamization ~ to bring about the Shari'a which Muslims think is a fair and just system. Just for the small fact that it places Muslims above non-Muslims and men above women. The non-violent fundamentalists view is that if they can change the laws to reflect Islam ~ then there is no need for violent jihad. In Europe to better integrate Muslims some political leaders are willing to tone down basic rights.

If someone takes away your rights ~ that is real. What is real at the moment is that someone is trying to take them away.


Grahame
Comment posted February 20, 2010 @ 4:38 am

Nazis, with the aid of the grand mufti of Jerusalem murdered six million Jewish people. Turkish Muslims butchered 1.2 million Armenians. Prof. Bill French of the Center for the Study of Political Islam, Tennessee, estimates that Islamists have killed 120 million+ human beings around the globe including 40-70 million HIndus. Almost 15000 Islamic terror attacks since 9/11 including Fort Hood.
The crusades were in response to Jihad invading and conquering the Christian and Jewish lands of the middle east, they were not the cause of Jihad. It is not the mythical moderate muslims that end up ruling these Islamic nations, it is the Jihadis and fanatics as they are the ones with the scriptural authority and historical precedent. We should look very carefully at the people who keep telling us the nonsense that 'this is racist, this is ignorance, this is a lie.' What race is Islam again? The world needs to wake up! The enemy is amongst us and the end of our hard won civilisation looms ever larger for our children's children.


TopAssistant
Comment posted February 20, 2010 @ 8:21 am

Great work Freedom Defense Initiative!
If we love our military and country, we must send letters to our two senators and congresspersons, demanding both the Senate & House Armed Services Committees hold hearings on Stephen Coughlin’s thesis, “To Our Great Detriment” Ignoring What Extremists Say About Jihad and why DoD silenced him. The military has never completed the proper steps to identify our enemy. http://www.strategycenter.net/research/pubID.17…
It will be difficult to get Sen. Levin (D-MI) chairman of the Senate committee to hold hearings when the Muslims in Dearborn oppose it. Therefore, we must write to our local city/town council members and mayor, asking them to send letters to their state and national representatives asking them to send letters to our two senators and congresspersons, demanding both the Senate & House Armed Services Committees hold hearings on Ste3phen Coughlin’s excellent work.
Here is the challenge, political correctness in Washington, DC. especially in DoD, is keeping us from identifying and fighting our real enemy. The DoD has been infiltrated by those preventing our military to identify the real enemy. DoD is just one of our useless alphabet soup agencies who is failing to protect us.
http://www.strategycenter.net/research/pubID.17…
“To Our Great Detriment”
Ignoring What Extremists Say About Jihad
by Stephen C. Coughlin, Esq.
Published on July 2nd, 2007
REPORTS
In comments made at the National Defense University on 1 December 2005, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff General Peter Pace explained to his audience the importance of “understand[ing] the nature of the enemy” if we hope to defeat jihadi extremists. Comparing our situation today, with that faced by an earlier generation who had to deal with the reality of the Nazi threat, General Pace suggested a simple solution to complying with his injunction: “read what our enemies have said. Remember Hitler…. He said in writing exactly what his plan was that we collectively ignored to our great detriment (emphasis added).” Just as we ignored Hitler’s articulation of his strategic doctrine in Mein Kampf, so too are we on the verge of suffering a similar fate today, if we fail to seriously assess the extremist threat based on jihadi strategic doctrine.
Read the full report here: “To Our Great Detriment”: Ignoring What Extremists Say About Jihad
http://www.strategycenter.net/research/pubID.17…
Extremism and CAIR
http://www.strategycenter.net/docLib/20080127_E…
Extremism and ISNA
http://www.strategycenter.net/docLib/20080127_E…


sasboy
Comment posted February 20, 2010 @ 11:53 am

If you want to see “brutal'', try watching a Palestinian family having to be forced out of their homes and lands, seeing their house being demolished right in front of their eyes. Or their women being made to give birth at checkpoints, denied basic medical care by a repressive US backed military occupation.

Or how about being blown to bits by a missile, a stray bomb or a drone missile dropped by the US airforce, only to be dismissed as “collateral damage'' by the media.

Do the words Hiroshima and Nagasaki ring a bell ? Or how about Abu Ghaib, Haditha or My Lai ?


sasboy
Comment posted February 20, 2010 @ 3:21 pm

US foregn policy does have a long and shocking record of trampling over the rights and freedoms of peoples living in other parts of the world, including, though not exclusively the peoples of the Middle East.

During the genocide of the Native Americas, the Amerindians were conveniently depicted by the incoming European settles are bloodthirsty barbarians. Not only did this conveniently denigrate a people who were only trying to defend their country from invading marauders, it actually served its purpose by dehumanizing a people who were, and to some extent, still are, being treated abhorrently. It is easy to kill and repress people when you think of them as being less human than yourself.

The same went on during the Second World War then the Allies carpet bombed entire cities and towns in Germany and Japan. Hiroshima and Nagasaki were the best known mass atrocities against civilians in those countries, but there were others too, like the blitz against Tokyo and Dresden.

The same happened in Vietnam. The US military invaded a country on the base of a lie – namely the Gulf of Tonkin – a fabricated threat against US security that in fact was not ( where have we heard that again, I wonder ) and by the time the murderous campaigns against Laos and Vietnam were done, close to three million Indochinese ( gooks as the GI infamously referred to them ) were killed.

Now history is repeating itself in the Middle East. The US has in that part of the world, supported the mass ethnic cleansing and dispossession of an entire civilian population from their history homeland ( Palestine ) and used decades of US largess to sponsor Israel's brutal military occupation and colonization of Arab land. They overthrew the Iranian democracy in the 1950s and engineered a repressive monarchy in Iran that shredded the rights of its own people, with human rights abuses on a large scale with the blessings of the CIA and Mossad. Now more recently the US attacked and invaded Iraq on a pack of lies ( remember the famously non existent WMDs – the bogus justification for a totally illegal war that led to the deaths of thousands of innocents who were NEVER a threat to anyone. That in a country where a decade of merciless sanctions caused the deaths of close to half a million children – a “price worth paying'' according to Madeleine Albright.

And all this long list of travesties needs a figleaf and the kind of odious incitement of the above CPAC convention by the likes of Spencer and Sultan serves as a figleaf for what is in reality, a truly reprehensible overseas policy.


sasboy
Comment posted February 20, 2010 @ 3:24 pm

It is a well known fact the Mufti of Jerusalem had links to the Nazis.

The same can also be said for the Vatican and a whole slew of religious and political leaders across Europe who maintained ties with them for various strategic reasons.

This does not make them complicit in the crimes of the Nazis, most of which were hidden from the world.

This less than convincing logic of guilt through association does not absolve Israel of its role in the barbaric persecution and dispossession of the Palestinian people.


sasboy
Comment posted February 20, 2010 @ 3:43 pm

Take a look at this link –

http://www.infocusnews.net/content/view/4009/135/

This deals with the FACTS of Dr Wafa Sultan's life.

The FACT is that Dr Wafa Sultan claims to have witnessed the murder of her professor by terrorists in front of other classmates while he was giving a lecture at the University of Aleppo. This version of events has been refuted not only by two US based alumni of the University, but also by the Dean of the Faculty of Medicine itself. So the murder which supposedly made her turn against her parent's faith did not actually occur under the circumstances she mentioned.

In this regard, Wafa Sultan shares one aspect of her past with at least two other Muslim-haters – Ayaan Hirsi Ali and Walid Shoebat, both of whom fabricated key details of their past in order to present themselves as media superstars.

Hirsi Ali falsely claimed she was the victim of a forced marriage, and that when she tried to walk out of it her family tried to kill her. A Dutch televsion documentary showed this to be false, so she was expelled from the Netherlands.

Shoebat claims to be a fomer terrorist, involved in the bombing of an Israeli bank on the West Bank that the bank in question itself acknowledges never actually occurred. His family deny his links to terrorists, and refute his story. However, the far right treats him like some kind of an “expert'' on terrorists on the basis of a purported life story.


sasboy
Comment posted February 20, 2010 @ 3:48 pm

The virulently anti Muslim tone of CPAC is not surprising at all. The CPAC has a long history of incitement, with the place being the forum for far right extremists to peddle their hate. Take a look at the record –

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/03/04/coulter….

Conservative poster girl attacking John Edwards as a “faggot''

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/28/rush-l…

…I want Obama to FAAAIILLLL……. ( Limbaugh )

Now the latest is loon Glenn Beck coming to speak there too. I am waiting with bated breaths to see how low the CPAC will stoop in its hate mongering………


historyscoper
Comment posted February 20, 2010 @ 5:06 pm

Robert Spencer is an expert on Islam and its history, but most Westerners are Islam history ignoramuses, which in an era of mass Muslim immigration to the West is getting unwise. Go to school online free with the Historyscoper and master all the key facts of Islam and its 1400-year history and see how deep the rabbit hole goes. To get started click http://go.to/islamhistory


Euro2000
Comment posted February 20, 2010 @ 6:38 pm

@ sasboy

The not so perfect history of Islam

It is common nowadays to talk about western atrocities and wrong doings ~ as we have always done ~ but what we are doing today is using it to support Islam ~ however Islam has its own atrocities ~ though perhaps many Muslims would argue that these were in fact not wrong doings because ~ like the jihad of today ~ they were all done in the name of God.

To bring Islam to India ~ no less than 80 million and up to 120 million Hindus and Buddhists were slaughtered. It may be a moderate estimate that 300 million people have been killed to spread Islam. The Indian conquerors were jihadists in the real sense of the word. And on some days they bragged that they slaughtered 100,000 in a single day.

These Muslim invaders took millions of slaves from India.

The area of Northern India now Pakistan and over to Kabul was named the Hindu Kush ~ Kush meaning blood. [Not the only area Muslims conquerors named blood ~ to bring down Syria the picture looked the same]. Untold numbers were killed to forcibly make it Islamic. We know from the large Buddhas destroyed by Taliban forces that there were Buddhists there. Where are the Buddhists ~ in Afghanistan?

It is clear you had to convert to Islam to save your life.

In India there were whole cities wiped off the face of the map ~ by men acting on Muhammad's instructions.

And this is the problem with the jihadist picture today !

It has an origin.

Atrocities have occurred across the world ~ by everyone ~ in Europe for example people have accepted that terrible atrocities have occurred and people don't want to go that way again.

But what is happening within Islam is frightening ~ there is no acknowledgement of genocide or wrong doing in the history of Islam ~ in Europe the Turkish PM Erdogan has said 'No Muslim can commit a genocide' ~ so there will not he any real acknowledgement of the Armenian, Assyrian and the Greeks slaughtered and allowed to starve to death by the Turkish forces. In India the Muslims there applied to the courts to delete from the India's history those acts committed by the Muslim invaders on the indigenous population ~ because it was 'offensive' to Islam [where have we heard that before] and the court turned them down.

In today's world this is dangerous ~ we have Muslims denying the holocaust ~ in Europe many schools stop teaching it because Muslim students put their hands over their ears ~ or they make noises ~ the teachers position is I'm just a teacher. A powerlessness. This is happening in Holland schools and the UK. On the back of this denial we have the Iranian President calling for a genocide.

We can talk about the Inquisition ~ but Islamic society doesn't allow these conversions ~ criticizing Islam is largely forbidden ~ so the militant side of Islam takes over a place violently and then they declare it a 'peaceful' area ~ dar al-Islam. Versus dar al-harb the realm of war that needs to be taken over.

We can talk about Vietnam ~ most don't like it.

But this cleansed Islam is doomed to make the same mistakes again and again. The first step to recovering from being an alcoholic is to admit that you have a problem ~ if people are going to continue to identify with Islam ~ than admitting that they have a problem is probably the main route to a healthy coexistence with others.


sasboy
Comment posted February 21, 2010 @ 1:27 am

Take a look at some of the delightful characters the CPAC and the Republican party have been associated with in the past -

Ann Coulter who called John Edwards a “faggot''

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MebGHNai8hE

Rush Limbaugh hoping Mr Obama fails –

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qtvtBGWgBc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgKCWt7jrrc

No Spanish please, I am Gingrich –

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZIBxNliFCA

Asian Michelle Malkin openly justifying the mass round up of Japanese Americans during the Second World War at the CPAC -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxt9TUteMt

Tom ( Nuke Mecca and Medina ) Tancredo at the conservative Teabaggers –

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiosFFSoUao

Republican Presidential Candidate John McCain, fresh from the best days of his life carpet bombing terrified Vietnamese into pieces, proclaims his undying hatred for “gooks'' -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZh0Y0x75XA

And advocating for what he does best –

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-zoPgv_nYg

Nothing exemplifies the moral and intellectual bankrupcy of the Republican party and its political base than the hatemongers that grace its conventions. Add Wafa Sultan ( lying about watching her professor being machine gunned in front of her eyes and her eyes alone ) and Robert Spencer ( devoted just about his entire adult life to smearing a fifth of humankind ) to that list of bigots, and you understand why the Republican Party is as much the party of hate as it is the party of hope.


peteLEV
Comment posted February 21, 2010 @ 12:48 pm

Do we see ANY other group causing such GLOBAL dissaray? DO we see any other group or religion KILL innocent people on this scale? How OBVIOUS does this need to be before even Liberals realize THEIR lives are not safe?


sasboy
Comment posted February 22, 2010 @ 8:24 am

Liberal documentation of conservative hate –

http://mediamatters.org/research/201002210009


sasboy
Comment posted February 22, 2010 @ 8:29 am

I hope this answers your questions. Take a look at the ignoble record of US foreign policy, both against Islamic nations as well as Christian and non Christian ones –

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Blum/US_Inter…

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_United…

Face it, the US has a long history of violence against other nations. The hate spewed by the likes of Sultan and Spencer helps to dehumanize the victims of US foreign policy, which is why the incitement that infests the Republican Party is insidous. Add that to the long list of reasons the Republicans are going down fast……and thank goodness for that too.


sasboy
Comment posted February 22, 2010 @ 1:24 pm

Liberal documentation of conservative hate –

http://mediamatters.org/research/201002210009


sasboy
Comment posted February 22, 2010 @ 1:29 pm

I hope this answers your questions. Take a look at the ignoble record of US foreign policy, both against Islamic nations as well as Christian and non Christian ones –

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Blum/US_Inter…

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_United…

Face it, the US has a long history of violence against other nations. The hate spewed by the likes of Sultan and Spencer helps to dehumanize the victims of US foreign policy, which is why the incitement that infests the Republican Party is insidous. Add that to the long list of reasons the Republicans are going down fast……and thank goodness for that too.


Grahame
Comment posted March 9, 2010 @ 3:15 am

Except of course, all taqqiya and disemination aside, tiny Israel is merely defending itself against openly genocidal regimes who speak plainly on their official websites of destroying Israel and the Jewish people, whose continuous settlement in that area goes back thousands of years. http://salibiyyah.blogspot.com/2008/01/real-his… and http://www.davidstuff.com/incorrect/sloan.htm give an accurate account of the real history of Israel. Anyone who denies the truth has an agenda or is just ignorant of historical fact.


Grahame
Comment posted March 9, 2010 @ 3:20 am

“It is a well known fact the Mufti of Jerusalem had links to the Nazis.

The same can also be said for the Vatican and a whole slew of religious and political leaders across Europe who maintained ties with them for various strategic reasons.”

Except that the Vatican had to funnel as many Jewish people out of Europe without angering the hand that hovered over it. Also, of course, unlike the Mufti and muslims with him, the Vatican wasn't a part of Hitler's SS.

Hitler gave the Mufti a radio station, which al-Husseini used to preach Nazism and genocide in Arabic. In one of his broadcasts, the Mufti exhorted Arabs:

According to the Muslim religion, the defense of your life is a duty which can only be fulfilled by annihilating the Jews. This is your best opportunity to get rid of this dirty race, which has usurped your rights and brought misfortune and destruction on your countries. Kill the Jews, burn their property, destroy their stores, annihilate these base supporters of British imperialism. Your sole hope of salvation lies in annihilating the Jews before they annihilate you.

Al-Husseini practiced what he preached. During the Nuremberg Trials in July 1946, Eichmann’s assistant, Dieter Wisliczeny, testified that Mufti was a central figure in the planning of the genocide of the Jews:

The Grand Mufti has repeatedly suggested to the Nazi authorities – including Hitler, von Ribbentrop and Himmler – the extermination of European Jewry. … The Mufti was one of the initiators of the systematic extermination of European Jewry and had been a collaborator and adviser of Eichmann and Himmler in the execution of this plan… He was one of Eichmann’s best friends and had constantly incited him to accelerate the extermination measures. I heard him say, accompanied by Eichmann, he had visited incognito the gas chambers of Auschwitz.

This is all easily checkable stuff.


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