‘The Same Is True With the Birth Certificate Thing’

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Friday, February 12, 2010 at 12:21 pm

Debra Medina digs herself a deeper hole — with the conservative netroots, if not with Republican primary voters — with this explanation of her 9/11 Truth comments.

The 9/11 Commission report, you know, great sections of that are redacted and they’re top secret. That makes us all wonder, well what’s happening back there? The same is true with the birth certificate thing. I think it’s healthy that people are asking questions.

This is how WorldNetDaily has often (not always, as when it’s indulged the ridiculous “Obama has dual citizenship” claims of Orly Taitz) framed the “birther” issue. It’s not about attacking Obama per se, and it’s certainly not about racism. It’s about not trusting the mainstream media and the government. And Medina’s gambit — if that’s what it is — to frame her Truther comment as just plain speaking about not trusting the government is smart, if we take seriously polling on Southern attitudes about the “birther” conspiracy.

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chrisjay
Comment posted February 12, 2010 @ 1:32 pm

If you Medina boosters think you'll be able to rationalize this one away—–anyone who supports her is officially a WINGNUT
Riding the Berfer crazytrain has consequences– no matter how cynical or sincere your motives are;
simple as that!


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted February 12, 2010 @ 1:58 pm

The same debunked ad nauseam birfer stupidity posted from the same pathetic, cowardly, bigoted, paranoid and deranged birfer lunatics in . . . 5 . . . 4 . . . 3 . . . 2 . . .

“I think it’s healthy that people are asking questions.”

Only if these idiots are confined and getting counseling and antipsychotics.


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chrisjay
Comment posted February 13, 2010 @ 1:04 pm

Where are all of those passionate Medina supporters of 48 hrs ago??
They all seem to have disappeared…


jaii
Comment posted February 13, 2010 @ 5:27 pm

Regardless of her questions about 9-11, at least Medina has the guts to ask the one question on EVERYONE'S mind. It’s the question that sits like the ‘elephant in the room’ at every White House news conference and every Obama speech. How long can so-called journalists tiptoe around the huge elephant in their midst? How long before someone stands up and screams at the top of their lungs, “WHERE'S THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE?”

And we're all so 'over' the online forgery of the “Certificate of Live Birth (COLB).” By now we all know it’s a document available primarily to those who cannot produce the long form Birth Certificate because THEY WERE BORN OUTSIDE THE U.S.

And we all know the Constitution requires Presidential candidates to be ‘natural born citizens.‘ And we all know Obama cannot constitutionally qualify for President because, by his own admission, HIS FATHER WAS NEVER A U.S. CITIZEN.

We've all seen the published statement of the Health Dept. official saying that Obama has a long form Birth Certificate on file, but why won't the Hawaii Attorney General's office verify the statement? And where does the document say he was born? And WHY WON’T HE JUST RELEASE IT?

Then there's the poorly pasted up newspaper announcements. The supposed Obama birth announcements are unbelievably poorly ‘pasted in.’ They're crooked within the column and in a different type style. My five year old could do a better job. Why doesn’t he just hire a better counterfeiter?

And while we're at it, where's the Occidental College records? The Times, sent a representative to track down hundreds of students from the time Obama claims to have attended. Well, “NO ONE remembered him. Not a one. What’s going on there?

And how about the Columbia records? NO ONE there remembers him either.

Then there's the Harvard records… Not only does no one remember the guy, no one has seen anything he ever edited despite his claims of having been the first black 'Editor of the Harvard Law Review.'

And why did he willingly 'relinquish' his law license in 2002 while employed in a law firm until 2004. What did he do for the law firm? And if he couldn't legally practice law, how'd he get the money to buy his million dollar house?

And what about his passport records? The young man who pilfered his documents at the State Dept. during the campaign was mysteriously found 'DEAD' a few months ago. Things are really getting scary now.

Then there’s his Selective Service record. “Disappeared.” Even his grade school records have “disappeared.” Then there's the Illinois Senate records and his client list for the law firm where he supposedly worked for four years and the campaign contribution records? “Disappeared.”

The guy can't speak without his teleprompter. He’s gotta’ be either a puppet or some kind of animated character projected on the limited brain cells of the liberal chumps who voted him into office. The same ones who continue to follow him like sheep to their own execution.

But while they’re sheepishly following, the rest of us, like Ms. Medina, are screaming, “WHERE’S THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE?”

Then there’s the rest of us who are screaming, “GET THIS MAN OUT OF OUR GOVERNMENT–NOW!!


chrisjay
Comment posted February 13, 2010 @ 5:51 pm

That's what I'm talking about, jaii!!
See, the real Berfers never fail to come thru with the real tinfoil-hat deal
Can I get a witness !?!?!
Go Orly !
Go Medina !
2012, here we come—–yeehaw!!!


Antibirther
Comment posted February 13, 2010 @ 6:52 pm

It looks like Orly has until Feb 26 to answer for her actions before the Cal Bar Assoc.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/26822540/1-2-3-4-5-6-7


katahdin
Comment posted February 13, 2010 @ 7:40 pm

What color is the sky in crazy birther world?


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted February 14, 2010 @ 8:43 am

Same old birfer propoganda. At least it appears that soon their queen will lose her crown. At least, I hope so. It will certainly be entertaining but I'm sure it won't shut her up. Perhaps through her continuous ranting, she'll be put on some proper meds.


ellid
Comment posted February 14, 2010 @ 11:42 am

Since when does two dozen mental patients equal “the rest of us?”


ellid
Comment posted February 15, 2010 @ 9:47 am

Pink. Has to be.


monkey99
Comment posted February 15, 2010 @ 11:51 am

If the argument is about not trusting the Media and Government, birfers went about it the absolute wrong way.

By birfer argument, those of us born after 1946-7 aren't really American, and we can't prove it, either, because the COLB or short-form isn't sufficient. If this is the case in Hawaii, it's the case everywhere else in the United States.

By birfer argument, the state of Hawaii is committing some kind of subterfuge by their actions, which are wholly acceptable by the people of Hawaii (or the people of ANY state, for that matter), for something that won't be accepted as genuine by them, anyway.

What's worse, they keep coming up with more indefensible bulls**t to replace the nonsense that was just disproved, in novel-length dissertation (or at the very least, short-story).

Can't wait to see the latest round of elephant spoor regurgitated by the birfers. Should be interesting…..They're running out of things to whine about.


monkey99
Comment posted February 15, 2010 @ 12:12 pm

“Where's the birth certificate?” You've already seen it. It was real. Just because you nuts WANT it to be false, it can be false. O.K.? Nothing that can be shown will be sufficient to you, irrespective of it's veracity, so MOVE ON! The birth certificate question has been ANSWERED.

There is NO long-form. Let me state this as clear as I can….THERE IS NO LONG FORM. Wishing for one won't make it magically appear, either.

What do school records have to do with ANYTHING? They are sealed and cannot be seen by anyone without state and personal approval. Again, what do they have to do with anything?

Most folk can't speak without a teleprompter. I dare you to do it. If you haven't (or can't) done it, you have no experience in the matter, and your opinion is just bulls**t. Obama was elected by a majority (want to call that into question, as well?) to the Presidency, so you of the minority just have to accept that there just aren't that many of you. Oh, we don't follow idiots and mental midgets like you birfers anywhere.

WE live in REALITY. You did know what that was, before Orly Taitz, didn't you?


chrisjay
Comment posted February 16, 2010 @ 1:06 pm

There's a very thin line between a Berfer and a Teabagger, when there is any line at all. As long as Teabaggerz fail to distance themselves from the tinfoil-hat brigade (not to mention corporate sponsorship for their so-called populist movement) then they can claim to be about healthy skepticism all they want; rational people won't buy it.


GrowABrain
Comment posted February 16, 2010 @ 1:28 pm

Um, she clearly says that it's healthy that people are asking questions. Y'know, like thinking for themselves. Is that a bad thing? Well, I guess it's bad from the perspective of the corporate media which just wants a society of mindless drones that can read their garbage propaganda and regurgitate.

Take “global warming” for example. It has collapsed into a heap of dirty lies and it wasn't the corporate or mainstream media (whatever you want to call the establishment media) that brought it down. The theory of anthropogenic global warming should have never become an issue and it wouldn't if the media and government had actually had an interest in uncovering the truth instead of pushing an agenda.

This is why Medina says it's healthy for people to ask questions and think for themselves. It's really elementary you fools.


monkey99
Comment posted February 16, 2010 @ 3:44 pm

The baggers aren't too different, you're right about that, but they keep denying racism, and footage of their “rallies” show nothing but white faces.

They had the opportunity to clean up their act, but I suppose decided not to, and it's pigeonholing them. Euphemisms are the racial epithets of our day, and they don't fool me.

This is how pathetic we've become…When anti-American activity is considered “patriotic”. Their skepticism has evolved into a movement to destroy this country. I don't think even McCarthy could accept and/or support what's going on, were he here to see it.

THAT'S as bad as it gets.


monkey99
Comment posted February 16, 2010 @ 4:18 pm

GrowABrain,

Take a cue from your moniker. Start there, and maybe your comments will make more sense than the last few nutcases.

Yes, asking questions and thinking for yourself are good things, except for one little detail, you don't add lies, forgeries, misrepresented “information”, and made up “facts” to prove your points (which have all been debunked) about how unAmerican you are. The garbage and propaganda come from YOUR end, not ours. You are the ones repeating yourselves, not us. Are you quite sure you're thinking for yourselves? Or just parroting the same worthless issues?

What's worse, your “quest” is imploding, and you are doing everything in your power to keep it alive. No amount of beating that dead horse is going to resurrect it.

Global warming has been PROVEN. It has happened more than just a few times in Earth's history, and will happen again. There is empiric evidence of human acceleration, but hey, don't let facts get in the way of “thinking for yourself”. Brought it down? You can't bring down a planetary cycle. You think a few stolen e-mails will kill it?

Your preoccupation with mainstream media is humorous. So you would accept edited material (for their own ends, as in Fox noise) and not-so-subtle fabrications and outright lies as truth? That's why your “quest” is so screwed up and is now imploding.

As for your last sentence, look in the mirror. The fool resides there. You nuts aren't about patriotism, you aren't interested in the truth, since you keep on denying it, You aren't even about the BC anymore. Your interest is in destroying this country's offices, it's business, and the wishes of the American people. You are UnAmerican, and command or earn NO respect, because of it.

You might want to reassess what it is you're believing in, because it's about to die a noisy death. Soon.


JohnC
Comment posted February 16, 2010 @ 6:14 pm

“Um, she clearly says that it's healthy that people are asking questions. Y'know, like thinking for themselves. Is that a bad thing? Well, I guess it's bad from the perspective of the corporate media which just wants a society of mindless drones that can read their garbage propaganda and regurgitate.”

You may consider Obama's Certification of Live Birth a creation of the “corporate media,” rather than a document issued by the State of Hawaii. That's what great about this country – you're free to concoct whatever you like in your imagination.

But what is equally wonderful about this country is that we have the right to call it out for the nonsense that it is.

“Take “global warming” for example. It has collapsed into a heap of dirty lies and it wasn't the corporate or mainstream media (whatever you want to call the establishment media) that brought it down.”

According to Fox News, the fact that Steve Doocy or Donald Trump can determine that it is snowing outside carries more scientific weight about climate change than the findings of thousands of scientists who have concluded the data is clear.

You'll have to excuse me, but I think I'll take the learned opinion of the scientific community over the populist rantings of Fox News any day.

And you have the balls to lecture us about buying into the junk the corporate media is peddling…


JohnC
Comment posted February 16, 2010 @ 6:24 pm

“Regardless of her questions about 9-11, at least Medina has the guts to ask the one question on EVERYONE'S mind.”

Speak for yourself.

“And we're all so 'over' the online forgery of the “Certificate of Live Birth (COLB).”

It's pretty hard to forge a document depicted in NINE separate high-resolution images.

“By now we all know it’s a document available primarily to those who cannot produce the long form Birth Certificate because THEY WERE BORN OUTSIDE THE U.S.”

But no one has shown how a vital record like Obama's COLB can state he was born in Hawaii if he really wasn't. And your argument doesn't offer any such suggestions, either.

“And we all know the Constitution requires Presidential candidates to be ‘natural born citizens.‘ And we all know Obama cannot constitutionally qualify for President because, by his own admission, HIS FATHER WAS NEVER A U.S. CITIZEN.”

So what? The citizenship of one's parents is simply not relevant to whether a person is a natural born citizen by virtue of the Fourteenth Amendment.

“We've all seen the published statement of the Health Dept. official saying that Obama has a long form Birth Certificate on file, but why won't the Hawaii Attorney General's office verify the statement? And where does the document say he was born? And WHY WON’T HE JUST RELEASE IT?”

The Hawaii DoH has also stated that Obama's birth certificate shows he was born in Hawaii, which merely corroborates what we already know by virtue of his COLB.

“Then there's the poorly pasted up newspaper announcements. The supposed Obama birth announcements are unbelievably poorly ‘pasted in.’ They're crooked within the column and in a different type style. My five year old could do a better job. Why doesn’t he just hire a better counterfeiter?”

If those announcements are forgeries, can you show us a copy of the original, unforged versions? This can't be hard – the microfilms have been available in libraries across Hawaii for decades.

“And while we're at it, where's the Occidental College records? The Times, sent a representative to track down hundreds of students from the time Obama claims to have attended. Well, “NO ONE remembered him. Not a one. What’s going on there?”

You've neglected to mention the small detail that Obama named his Occidental roommate, Vinai Thummalapally, as ambassador to Belize.

“The guy can't speak without his teleprompter.”

Obviously you missed his appearance at the recent Republican retreat. (And to my knowledge, he didn't have topics scrawled in ink on his hands.)


JohnC
Comment posted February 16, 2010 @ 6:26 pm

“What color is the sky in crazy birther world?”

Twelve. Or was it bicycle?


GrowABrain
Comment posted February 16, 2010 @ 8:24 pm

Doocy? Trump?

I'm talking about Phil Jones from the CRU you moron. Phil Jones who was exposed as the fraud he is via the Climategate scandal admitted this week that there has been no statistically significant evidence of global warming since 1995.

The anthropogenic theory of global warming is dead you fools.


GrowABrain
Comment posted February 16, 2010 @ 8:29 pm

You're kidding right? The entire case of AGP has collapsed over the last few months. Sure, you wouldn't know it if you only get your information from the mainstream corporate media or the media establishment whores in Washington DC. If you read foreign media you will be aware of the fact that all of the pillars of AGW that the IPCC has built it's “settled science” upon has crumbled into dust.

The debate really is over.

That doesn't mean us AGW “deniers” hate the environment. We love the environment but we want clarity and to focus on the real environmental problems in the world. We don't want fraudsters like Al Gore get fabulously rich and to destroy industrialized economies and the middle class based on fraudulent scientific claims.


GrowABrain
Comment posted February 16, 2010 @ 8:35 pm

Yeah, they're all a bunch of racists. What insightful analysis you provide, monkeybrains.

What exactly is anti-American in your feeble mind?

America was established with a healthy distrust of government power. That is the whole point of America. Liberty comes from limited government. It doesn't come from big government bailouts, big government taxation and big government legislation by a bunch of corporate whores in DC.

So it would seem that it is actually the US government that is anti-American today and the teabaggerz (as racist and ignorant as you wrongfully depict them to be) are the pro-American.

Are there idiots in the “teabagger” movement? Undoubtedly.

Are there idiots in the Obama-noid movement? You betcha.

But throwing around insults and highlighting the biggest idiots and worst aspects of each side does not make for intelligent debate.


GrowABrain
Comment posted February 16, 2010 @ 8:42 pm

BTW – You idiots are assuming that I watch Fox News.

Why?

The tea party movement actually began with Ron Paul supporters. The Fox News and faux conservatives noticed the popularity of the movement and quickly moved in to claim it as their own.

I'm not even here defending the tea party movement because I think it's become a pathetic joke with media promoted “leaders” like Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin who are actually big government neo-cons.

So don't assume that there are only two sides to the debate. There is more to life than Obama on one side of the spectrum and Sarah Palin on the other side.

Medina isn't even claiming to be a Birther or a Truther. She is simply not denouncing others for having an opinion or for thinking for themselves. That's OK. This is America. We have the First Amendment.

It is fascist creeps like Glenn Beck who are trying to shutdown free speech on controversial issues like 9/11.


ellid
Comment posted February 16, 2010 @ 8:57 pm

“I am not a number! I am a human being!”


monkey99
Comment posted February 16, 2010 @ 9:41 pm

Yes, ther debate is over. When you are stuck in a desert that was once verdant, don't blame climate change. When you are flooded out of your home because of rising sea level, don't blame climate change. When your house burns to the ground when fire sweeps through your neighborhood, don't blame climate change. Blame your own ignorance to reality for your misfortunes.

Yes, the deabate is over.


monkey99
Comment posted February 16, 2010 @ 10:05 pm

The baggers are racist. Or can't you tell the difference?

Want to convince me otherwise? Show me a “rally” with a wealth of non-white faces. Show me a “rally” where racist slogans and euphemisms and stupid sophomoric pictures depicting racist ideology aren't being displayed. Until then, don't try to bulls**t anyone about them not being racist.

You want intelligent debate? That's a laugh. Birfer idiots haven't brought anything to debate WITH. Just lies, ridiculous points they want to waste time on, and insults. The birfers started that mess.

Civility in discussion was the first casualty with the fringe elements. You nuts weren't interested in civility then, I'm not interested in it now.

It's really elementary, fool.


ellid
Comment posted February 17, 2010 @ 7:47 am

Totally wrong about global warming, old sport. This last decade was the warmest on record, and the violent storms that hit the East Coast were exactly as predicted according to global warming scenarios going back thirty years.


ellid
Comment posted February 17, 2010 @ 7:51 am

Al Gore already *was* rich, you moron. Old money at that. He didn't need to create a crisis to get his money.

As for global warming, the first mention I saw about greenhouse gases and their effect on their environment if we didn't clean up the air was in one of the science annuals published by the Encyclopedia Britannica back in 1972 or thereabouts. The effect of too much carbon on the atmosphere has been common knowledge in the scientific community for nearly forty years. You're free to believe in the evil money-grubbing ways of Al Gore, but you're utterly wrong.


GrowABrain
Comment posted February 17, 2010 @ 1:22 pm

What racist slogans are you referring to exactly?

You're wrong about only whites attending these rallys. But tell me, apart from an Obama rally how many non-whites do you typically see at political rallies?

Is country music racist because it's predominantly white and predominantly listened to by white people? Is hip hop racist because it's predominantly performed by black people.

Seriously. Grow a brain.


GrowABrain
Comment posted February 17, 2010 @ 1:31 pm

Oh yeah, that totally makes sense. The record cold winter storms on the East Coast are a result of global warming and we've never had hurricanes or extreme weather in past history until the invention of the SUV.

Are you even aware of the recent developments and scandals that have been revealed with the IPCC's “settled science”? I'm referring to Climategate, Glaciergate, Pachaurigate, Amazongate etc etc… If you're not aware please do some catch up reading and search Google news for the above keywords.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted February 17, 2010 @ 8:49 pm

Those 'scandals' were blown out of proportion. The fact of the matter is the polar ice is melting as well as many of the glaciers and they are melting faster than they would if it weren't for the carbon emissions that we put into the atmosphere.

Regardless, the earth has not always stayed in a circular orbit around the sun. In times of past ice ages, the earth was in more of an oval orbit and would thus be further from the sun during certain times of the year. This will eventually happen again.

Perhaps you should actually read more information from more sources other than those that dispute.


monkey99
Comment posted February 17, 2010 @ 9:29 pm

Go to “Poll: Five percent of Americans have attended tea parties; Movement is overwhelmingly white, male and conservative”.

You'll get your answers there.


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ellid
Comment posted February 19, 2010 @ 7:53 am

I am well aware of the smear campaign based on stolen e-mails. I am also well aware of climate change even within my lifetime.

You are wrong.


ellid
Comment posted February 19, 2010 @ 7:54 am

Please provide proof of your claim that non-whites attend teabag rallies. No, a picture of the President as a witch doctor does not count.


Reeve
Comment posted February 19, 2010 @ 10:29 am

ELLID:Al Gore was just a pawn to get global warming into the public conscious so they could then use it to justify billions of tax payers money being injected into it from out of our own pockets. It's all about money, Plain and simple. You say “It has happened more than just a few times in Earth's history” so what does this have to do with greenhouse gases and carbon emissions?

Sorry to bring this home to you but your obviously just one of the sheep that believes the headlines and television set religiously as if it were scripture. Wake up and become a human being again. Learn to realize your own opinion and ONLY base it on the undeniable facts that you have seen first hand and not that which has been told to you by others. Stop spreading second hand knowledge as if fact because people like you are whats wrong with America.

Do your own research and find out for yourself who owns each branch of the media, then think about it for a while and find out if they would be willing to tell the people the other side of the story or would they just be promoting their own agenda. Do your own research, find out for yourself if we have a truly un-opinionated and impartial press. Then when the truth hits home (and I have no doubt it will) you can voice YOUR opinion and get an ounce of respect. But until then, for the good of America SHUT UP AND DO YOUR HOMEWORK.


monkey99
Comment posted February 19, 2010 @ 11:23 am

First, don't answer my comment if you are addressing someone else. My namew is not ellid, and it is YOU who have swallowed the ridiculous idea about no climate change.
A few stolen E-mails will not trump empirical evidence.

Here we go again. where are YOU getting the “Information” about this? If one source is suspect, then it ALL is. Unless you get it from sources who continually and habitually edit for content everything they tout as “news”.

YOU think for yourself. Seems you are just repeating the same tired hypocritical nonsense from the right-wing noise machine. It looks, sounds and smells like it.

It appears you need to heed your own words.


Anthony
Comment posted February 20, 2010 @ 1:46 am

When asking question it is important not to ignore the answer. It is not a health debate when people refuse to ignore the opinion and the facts that support them. It isn't healthy to pretend that you are looking for answers which is the behavior that Ms. Medina is engaging in. It is like a smoke and mirrors illusion, ask seemingly valid questions then ignore the answers.

Global Warming is an excellent example of the denial attitude that Ms. Medina and others are using. We know that burning fossil fuels produce pollution. Additives have been removed from gas as they leaked in to the environment and damaged ecosystem. Modifitions to car engines have been made to reduce the amount of pollutants entering the environment. And, there are many more examples. However, there are people who are arguing that there is no damage to the environment from using fossil fuels. (People who deny current law)

We know that the reduction of the use of fossil fuels will harm the oil and coal industries. However, people seem to argue that Global Warming are lies spread by scientist. The tobacco industry was as scared as the oil and coal industries are using now. People seem more political when people suggest that we should reduce our gas consumption than when the oil companies increase the price. (People who spread misinformation)

Anyways, with our current president all the answers that are relevant have been answered. All that was need was for the state of Hawaii to confirm that they have the original birth records and that has been done. Actually, all that was need was for someone to confirm that they have seen Obama's birth certificate. I will take that honor, and tell you that you also can view it on his website.


Anthony
Comment posted February 20, 2010 @ 1:49 am

“Cover my eyes. We aren't damaging the environment. Cover my eyes. Obama hasn't produce an American birth certificate.”

Both statements are utter nonsense.

Sometimes it feels like we are talking to small children.


Anthony
Comment posted February 20, 2010 @ 1:57 am

There is absolutely nothing wrong with thinking for oneself. However, to use obvious lies to support ones position is dishonest. This will convince people that that person has alternative motives. Which is is usually the truth that there are alternative motives.


Reeve
Comment posted February 20, 2010 @ 8:59 am

To GrowABrain (great name you chose for yourself BTW)
Thanks for the email.
To start, Global Warming was intentionally created to justify taking money out of your pocket so to use all the techniques
they adopted for this purpose such as Modifications to car engines and removing specific gas from fossil fuels as proof
that global warming is a bonafied issue is flawed I'm afraid.

I actually think you miss my point because I don't deny this planet could be going through some sorts of changes, be it global
warming, global cooling or whatever all I know is it wasn't man made by any stretch of the imagination. You yourself point
out that it's happen many times in earths history so did the horse and cart or dinosaurs need a catalytic converter?

Finally, are you so blind that you can't read whats right before your eyes? The birth certificate presented stated clearly
that it was a LIVE BIRTH CERTIFICATE. Where on earth have any of us been issued with a birth certificate with so few
details on it and the word 'LIVE' I would go as far as saying the 'LIVE' means it was issued some time in his life but
definitely not at birth thats for sure.

Good luck with your sight, hope it comes back soon. Oh and I just want to point out that it is 99% of the people who go
around spreading misinformation because all they tend to do is quote what they've heard on the morning news and sundry.
What a terrible state were in when the people are guided so blindly without any questions being asked.


Anthony
Comment posted February 20, 2010 @ 9:25 am

Another person attempt to pretend to be two different people. At least you could have presented two an original argument.

The banning of pesticides in certain jurisdictional because of the contamination it does to drinking water. Certain jurisdictions have stopped using salt on their roads in winter. The elimination of CF from aerosols. The removal of mercury from paints. The list goes on, and global warming hasn't been touched. One final point anyone who has done a basic geography class would have learned that green house gases have an effect on the climate. Science isn't politics.

Anyone who knows anything about the pre-20th century has an understanding of infant mortality. That is where children born die within few days after birth, and sometimes even the mother. Sometimes they would die before the child completely exited the womb. This is why the term live-birth is used. It is important to record both such things as live-birth and still-birth. It really isn't that of a complicated issue to understand. It becomes complicated only when you are making up excuses for a conspiracy theory.

People understand that conspiracy theories are not theories at all but someones or some peoples theory to explain away the facts.

However, I am interested in what name you will use next time.


jedidad
Comment posted February 20, 2010 @ 4:25 pm

BATTLE HYMN OF THE UNSINKABLE BIRTHERS!
(Sung to the tune of “The Battle Hymn of? the Republic”)

Mine eyes have not yet seen
Obama's birth certificate.
It is in the Devil's Vault,
Where only God's Right Hand can get.
Obama's C. O. L. B. is a
Lousy counterfeit.
It's truth we're marching for!!!!

Orly! Orly! Hallelujah!!!
Orly! Orly! Hallelujah!!!
Orly! Orly! Hallelujah!!!
It's truth we're marching for!!!!

We shall fight the Masked Usurper
On the beaches, in the hills.
We shall fight this Painted Joker
On the seas and in the fields.
We shall fight to Hell and back
And into court and with appeals.
It's truth we're marching for!!!!

Orly! Orly! Hallelujah!!!
Orly! Orly! Hallelujah!!!
Orly! Orly! Hallelujah!!!
It's truth we're marching for!!!!

(Author grants permission to reprint on web or in print and to perform in public)


Anthony
Comment posted February 20, 2010 @ 7:03 pm

Is this Orly, Orly Taitz the lawyer? She seems to be in major panic right now as she has been called to answer question from the California Bar Association. The woman is so disillusioned that in her latest disillusioned writing by manage to include accusations against the CBA. So, please keep singing that song to yourself. As the song show how disillusioned everyone associated the birthism are with the fact that Obama is constitutionally eligible to be president.


jedidad
Comment posted February 20, 2010 @ 7:24 pm

just show us the long form genuine birth certificate….he can't do it


Anthony
Comment posted February 20, 2010 @ 7:58 pm

Where you one of the people who were selling swamp land as genuine real estate? At this point in time I can't tell the difference between birthers and a confidence man, both are catigorically dishonest.

You are fooling anyone with your cheap deception.

The original records are always kept by the state government agency responsible for keeping birth records. The several reason for this, but let us look at one advantage first. With the state agency keeping the genuine original records it allows them to reissue them at a later date. However, when someone checks about the authenticity of the records all they have to is connect that state agency.

The State of Hawaii Department of Health through the governor's office has done exactly this. Actually, in an unpredicted move they have made this confirmation publicly available to anyone with access to a computer. As, it is apparent that you do have access to a computer you have clearly demonstrated that you are nothing more that a liar.

You attempt to present the disguise of being honest in your concerns. However, as with any cheap 'disguise' we see through you deception.

To request a long form genuine birth certificate is just denial, and nothing more. We know that long forms have been replace in Hawaii with documents that are double-side.

Yes, the state of Hawaii did issue “long forms” in the past, but they had “Certification of Live Birth” on the top. The transition from type writers to computers have made the “long form” redundant, as with computers it is now possible to enter the information on both sides of a paper.

Genuine and authentic mean the exactly same thing. However, to use the either word in the context that you attempted is a cheap deception. Any document issued or confirm the the original records exist by the issuing office is confirmation that the document is genuine. However, you like many other birthers continue to refuse to acknowledge the State of Hawaii on this matter.

It is the State of Hawaii who has the genuine original records which are never release to the public for privacy reason. You can argue that “he is president and he has given up his right to privacy.” This is disjoint from logic it is absolutely fun.

As with Ms. Taitz you are categorically nuts if you
- believe that your statement is a honest expectation
- think that no one has seen the birth certificate
- think that the state of Hawaii doesn't have a say on the issue
- think that the use of the word “long form” strengths your argument
- think that the use of the word “genuine” strengths your argument
- think that certification and certificate have different meanings

As I wouldn't like to wish bad things on people, I will wait until news about Ms. Taitz disciplinary hearings.


katahdin
Comment posted February 20, 2010 @ 8:52 pm

I wonder what the crazy birthers think will happen in the vanishingly unlikely event that they manage to get the duly elected president removed from office. Do they think that Sarah Palin will show up in her tiara and sash and take the oath of office? Like a sort of “if Miss America is unable to fullfill her duties” kind of thing?


ellid
Comment posted February 20, 2010 @ 10:24 pm

No, it's Jar Jar Binks.


Anthony
Comment posted February 21, 2010 @ 12:26 am

There are times that it is hard to determine between satire of birthers and birther lunaticity. Birthers seem more interested in making arguments that contradict other birthers.

Honestly, they are just too confused. Intelligent people would turn on the light. However, bithers insist on just running around banging into either other. Or, even tripping over those who though it would be smarter just to crawl around.

These morons haven't even took time to think of the implications of what they are saying about America, to even consider what will happen if the absolutely impossible becomes maybe likely.
It seems that they are more intent of give the White House nice chuckles between having to deal with the issues concerning the average American.


jedidad
Comment posted February 21, 2010 @ 12:49 am

You blowhard liberals are the very ones abandoning Obama now…the man with no hope or change. He will probably lose or not seek the DEM nomination in 2012…AND YOU KNOW HE IS NOT NATURAL BORN!!!! You know it is not just the birth certificate, but his entire past history including his school, college, passport records and everything else. I am in Illinois and we all have known this for years.

Obama is another cheap Chicago politicial who is taking the Illinois Road Show to Washington and coast to coast. Already he is as helpless and corrupt as any Illinois politician could be, and the picture will be complete as soon as the United States can no longer pay it's bills on time just like the state of Illinois.

Just show us the real long form birth certificate (hell, even I can get a COLB from Hawaii) and show us ALL his records…YOU CAN'T DO IT. AND YOU KNOW THE TRUTH. Noboday has to prove anything to you Obama supporters, YOU KNOW he is not natural born.

We all know it, and the dems are getting ready to abandon him at their convenience.


jedidad
Comment posted February 21, 2010 @ 12:53 am

Well if there is no problem with his long form birth certificate, just have him show it !
BUT wait! What about all the other Obama records like health records, his school and college records and passport records etc???? HE CAN'T SHOW THEM! YOU KNOW HE IS NOT NATURAL BORN so there is no reason to prove anything to you anti-birthers. (just like you think there is no reason for you to prove to us he is)


Anthony
Comment posted February 21, 2010 @ 1:11 am

The only thing that has been abandoned is your grip on reality. The election ended over a year ago, but it seems that you refuse to accept that fact. The president doesn't have to provide anything. That is he has to provide absolutely nothing to prove he is eligible to be president. It is over.

What makes you an absolute moron is that all that was required was for the State of Hawaii to confirm that he was born in the state. He didn't even have to produce anything to the public, but you are just to stupid to understand this.


jedidad
Comment posted February 21, 2010 @ 1:31 am

…so again, as you post indicates, you KNOW he is not natural born and not qualified to serve.

ANY NATURAL BORN CITIZEN would have BY NOW proudly displayed their credentials for the world to see.

We have already abandoned Obama….you leftists are the ones who are now in the process of letting him go. Almost any other DEM is now more popular than Obama.

If only the next election could be held today, we would see what your kind really think.


Anthony
Comment posted February 21, 2010 @ 1:56 am

It is hard to understand you lack logical reasoning.

In order to get a birth certificate for a child who was recently born the parents have to apply for registration of the child's birth with an agency responsible for keep birth records. This of course includes you. If approved the agency then files the birth record and provides the parents with a copy of the birth records. In the state of Hawaii this is called a Certification of Live Birth. This filed birth record, is the original birth record.

The agency requires the original and legally the original is state property. The jurisdiction needs to ensure that claim to be citizens in that jurisdiction has the legal right to do so. The way to ensure this is by the state keeping original records, specifically original birth records. With copies it is impossible to determine what generation of copy the record is, but with the original there is only one.

There are additional conveniences of this. The state has records of those who are eligible to vote, hold state jobs, or even seek political office. In most jurisdiction one needs to be either a naturalize or born citizen to have any of those rights.

The keeping of the original also allow the keeping of the original also allows the other jurisdictions to check on the authenticity of a person identity. Each jurisdiction uses the utmost honesty in this manner as they view mutual honestly and trust paramount when dealing with each other.

This is the same integrity that these jurisdiction keep for marriage and death records. It is common for people to get married or unfortunately die in jurisdictions that are not their jurisdiction of residency. So keeping the integrity of their records go beyond those of just birth records. This can also include information about taxation and health benefits.

There are times that government issued records get damaged or lost. There are also times when they need to be replaced. This includes drivers license, social security records, marriage license and birth certificates to name a few. There is absolutely nothing notorious about have such records reissued or replaced.

When agencies release records those records are only what are relevant to the specific inquiry. This is more a matter of individual privacy. Government agencies may freely exchange this information because of security issues, but they don't do this with individuals or business entities that don't have a direct interest in the information. This interest relates to a direct relationship with the individual, such as future employer, family member, or guardian. Employees or citizens are never future employers unless they are on a committee with is directly responsible for making hiring decisions.

It is also important to understand that voters make indirect decisions, as their decision is pooled with other decisions. A single vote never decides an election, and in a democracy it is the majority of votes that decides the election.

A single voter has no right in requesting the release of information. American is a nation based on law. This mean in order to force someone to do something you have to prove yourself in a court of law that you have the right to do so. This doesn't mean that a person is correct in their belief, but they have convinced the courts that there is merit to their claim. Thus, there has never been a single instance that the requirement of a president to release any information is required under law.

As you have notice I have avoided mentioning the president as you have to disprove all of my previous paragraphs in order to support your position.


Anthony
Comment posted February 21, 2010 @ 2:06 am

The problem you are having is your loss of grip on reality. The State of Hawaii Department of Health though the governor of Hawaii's office has explicitly stated that Barack H. Obama is natural-born citizen.

It is that same department who has explicitly stated that they have seen Barack H. Obama's original birth records

So, It isn't me who is the authority of this issue by the State of Hawaii.

What I consider interesting is how many politicians clarify their statements when it can be construed that they believe Obama wasn't born in Hawaii.

When you can make a complete comment that is based on reality we will be surprised.


Anthony
Comment posted February 21, 2010 @ 2:23 am

First it is civics, then history, now geography. Are these people just crazy or is it something else.


Anthony
Comment posted February 21, 2010 @ 2:37 am

How about morongate.

This is where people abandon entire science fields just because of one thing. With science every piece of new evidence either cause a rethinking or a strengthening of current scientific principles. However, with morongate anything a moron doesn't understand or mislead into believing is true the morons disregard entire scientific disciplines.


Anthony
Comment posted February 21, 2010 @ 6:18 am

Let me be clear to prevent misunderstanding.

It isn't me who is the authority of this issue but the State of Hawaii.


Anthony
Comment posted February 21, 2010 @ 9:14 am

Honestly, the only place that Anthropogenic (man-made) global warming is disputed is in mainstream corporate media or the media establishment. The information about global warming comes from studies and research done by from the scientific community.

Global warming deniers are arguing against the need to develop newer and less fossil fuel dependent energy production technology. Many industrialize nations are moving forward on making themselves less dependent on fossil fuels.

Your entire smear is based on the damage done to economies that are dependent on fossil fuels, and you don't even realize that.

However, ellid and others argument is based on the need for use to move to newer technologies. This is something that has already happened.

So in essence you are arguing in favor of established industries against emerging industries. We only have to wonder where we would be if the established type-writer industry fought against the emerging computer industry how different our world would be. This illustrates the point that it is not the economies that are in danger, but some industries are a afraid that they will not be able to compete against emerging industries. This isn't the first time where industries have felt threaten by changing times.


jedidad
Comment posted February 21, 2010 @ 10:40 am

If there is no problem with it, THEN SHOW IT! …as well as show ALL of his other records like college records. DID psychObama accept foreign student aid? Then if he is a “natural born citizen” he committed a FELONY by stealing federal funds.

Hawaii (and you) are NOT the authority on this. The Constitution is! Obama is required to be a natural born citizen and if just saying so or having other people say that such documentation exists but you cannot see it, makes you a “natural born citizen” then ANYBODY in the world can make the claim without proof.

Obama is an undocumented worker. My local police department AND YOUR'S would not hire Obama as an officer because of his lack of credentials.


jedidad
Comment posted February 21, 2010 @ 10:45 am

You, Hawaii, and even President Jug-Ears are not the authority of this issue. ONLY the CONSTITUTION…only. Public officials do NOT swear allegiance to the majority opinion, the flag, a political party, the military, or any man. They swear to uphold the Constitution. If Obama had a legit long form birth certificate, WE WOULD HAVE ALL SEEN IT BY NOW.


Anthony
Comment posted February 21, 2010 @ 11:26 am

You are really utterly stupid or think people will fall for your cheap deception.

If you are so concerned with the presidents birth certificate then why don't you post it with your comments. Your such a fraud.

I am not the authority on any birth certificate. However, the state of Hawaii is. If you don't believe this then tear up your birth certificate as it has absolutely no value. The government agency that provided you with it had absolutely no legal authority to do so.

There is absolutely no where in the US constitution that stipulate who is the agency that is responsible for issuing birth certificates. However, American citizenship and birth laws are.

Re-read your last paragraph and take deep consideration on the meaning of what you have actually written. Your slur against the men and women that are responsible for up holding the laws are of America are disgusted with what you are suggesting. Yes, America is a country that respects freedom of speech and this principle is the only thing that is allowing you to spread lies.

When you can show some semblance of intelligence we will gladly accept your apology for how utterly stupid you have been.


Anthony
Comment posted February 21, 2010 @ 11:32 am

In a certain context you are right. It is the law that was bestowed on the State of Hawaii that made them the legal authority on this issue. I have a feeling that you weren't born in America or any other modern democratic industrialize nation. This is apparent by your utter lack of understand of basic principles of law. Or, is it that you disrespect the law.

Nobody has the legal obligation to release anything to anyone where there is no relationship that can be demonstrated in law. This is the principle that has caused all lawsuits related the Obama's candidacy and birth certificate have been dismissed.

Some say it is 0 for 64. I say it is just 0 for. As in a big fat zero. Something I suspect you might have got in civics class.


jedidad
Comment posted February 21, 2010 @ 11:43 am

My last paragraph is TRUE! Go ask your local cop shop…they will NOT hire him.


jedidad
Comment posted February 21, 2010 @ 11:52 am

Obama will go down in history as the United State's 43rd and 1/2 President…


jedidad
Comment posted February 21, 2010 @ 11:57 am

Obama has brought ALL this upon himself and HE ALONE is to blame for not simply being forthcoming with his credentials.
NOW the DEMS must deal with it all and my best bet is they will abandon Obama before 2012 and give the nomination to another.


Anthony
Comment posted February 21, 2010 @ 12:19 pm

Obama is an undocumented worker. My local police department AND YOUR'S would not hire Obama as an officer because of his lack of credentials.

Is what you last paragraph stated. Honestly, if there was any concern with a high profile undocumented worker, your local police department would have taken action. Guess what you vile little man they haven't. The reason is that as a citizen by birth the president has the right to seek unrestricted employment.

You probably so disillusioned that you don't notice the police office rolling their eyes when you utter your nonsense.

When you can make a comment that has any basis in reality I will be surprised.


Anthony
Comment posted February 21, 2010 @ 12:29 pm

When you can speak the truth we would be happy to hear from you. However, the only thing that comes out of your mouth, are lies, distortion of the law, misrepresentation of the facts.

No politician in his or her right mind would want anyone to know that they support birtherism. It is political suicide. I wonder why? Could it be that the entire insanity is based smear every American institution just to try to score cheap political points.

Keep it up. The Democratic party is going to use birtherism to undermine those GOP politicians that support it in the 2010 midterms.

For the sake of the GOP I hope that they denounce birtherism as an idiotic view that is just as being un-American.


Anthony
Comment posted February 21, 2010 @ 1:02 pm

There will be a historical reference to birther conspiracy nuts, but more in an attempt to understand the reason for their disillusioned view. However, this will only be in reference to Obama's presidency. What I consider funny is that all cases to force the president to reveal anything has been dismissed. That is everyone of them. Also, congress has passed a bill that recognizes Hawaii's 50th anniversary as a state which includes Hawaii as being the birth place of Obama.

So that is 0. No cases. Congress has accept that Obama is born in America (that part was the election). There is absolutely nothing that supports your comment, unless you have a problem with counting.


jedidad
Comment posted February 21, 2010 @ 4:39 pm

Your “birther conspiracy nuts” only includes Obama's own grandmother who freelly admits to this day that she was there in the hospital in Kenya when Obama was born…so that makes HER the leader and originator of the birthers.

Also Kenyan Ambassador Ogego saying they are planning to put up an historical marker in Kenya at the birthplace of Obama does not help your cause. NOTICE Hawaii has NO SUCH PLANS to put up a birthplace marker.

And all those signs all over the border of Kenya nowadays that say “WELCOME TO KENYA BIRTHPLACE OF BARACK OBAMA” might cause one to disregard your point of view which seems to mostly include name calling rather than fact.

I tend to believe Obama's own grandmother over you AND over the state of Hawaii. Investigations only reveal the flaws of the Hawaiin birth certification system and the COLB problems. WE ALL KNOW IT too well :) Is that all you got???


katahdin
Comment posted February 21, 2010 @ 4:47 pm

The president was born in Hawaii. Hawaii is a state that is part of the United States of America. Anyone born in the USA is a natural born citizen. President Barack Obama is a natural born citizen.
I really don't know how this could be any simpler. How stupid or deliberately dense does someone have to be to not get this?


katahdin
Comment posted February 21, 2010 @ 4:51 pm

Everything you say is a lie. President Obama has shown a legal birth certificate that is accepted as prima facie evidence of birth in any court proceeding. If your stupidity and prejudice prevent you from accepting reality, that's not President Obama's problem.


jedidad
Comment posted February 21, 2010 @ 4:54 pm

The DEMS are on the run FROM Obama, not to him. Obama is like radioactive poisening. If he touches you or you get to close, your political future is dead. (just like with Blago….radioactive)
Even Obama's beloved polls and surveys show he is now at an unprecedented historical LOW for a president at this point in his first term. YOU KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS and so do the other DEMS. He will either soon resign OR lose/not seek the 2012 Dem nomination to run again.

My friend, it is NOT the GOP that is causing all of Obama's problems. Obama has DONE THIS ALL TO HIMSELF by not being honest from the beginning.

Obama's house has a flawed foundation and will not stand.

Jesus said, “A corrupt tree CANNOT bringeth forth good fruit.” THAT is Obama's whole problem. His presidency is built upon his lie of being natural born so NOTHING GOOD can come out of it. GUESS WHAT? NOTHING GOOD HAS COME OUT OF IT! Even you lefties know he has not been able to do ONE THING he promised (like getting out of Iraq and Afghanistan, national healthcare, closing Gitmo etc….EVEN THOUGH the DEMS HAD A SUPERMAJORITY in CONGRESS!

Obama is Dr. DoNothing and is letting the country collapse as his strategy to usher in more socialism. This is why so many DEMS who love America are not supporting him anymore.


jedidad
Comment posted February 21, 2010 @ 4:58 pm

“When”? you say?
“Mine eyes have not yet seen
Obama's birth certificate…”
When I do, that will be when.


jedidad
Comment posted February 21, 2010 @ 5:04 pm

Shame on you for calling the COLB (certification of live birth) a “birth certificate.

And thank goodness you raised your ridiculous “prima facie evidence” argument.

The COLB is ONLY evidence and NOT PROOF!!!! For example: evidence from BOTH SIDES is admitted in court. (like the COLB) The evidence can be good or bad, valid or invalid, fake or genuine, counterfeit or real….the COURT DECIDES what is the TRUTH and that decision becomes PROOF of the truth. Evidence, in itself is NOT PROOF! Evidence is ONLY evidence, but the court decision becoomes the proof of the truth.


jedidad
Comment posted February 21, 2010 @ 5:09 pm

…and if the COLB is such GREAT “prima facie evidence” to be used IN PLACE of a genuine birth certificate in court, THEN WHY WON'T OBAMA ALLOW IT THEN TO GO TO COURT RATHER THAN SPENDING OVER $1.7 MILLION DOLLARS ON ATTORNEYS TO TRY TO KEEP IT ALL OUT OF COURT?!?!?!? HMMMMM???!!!???


jedidad
Comment posted February 21, 2010 @ 6:59 pm

I guess you have to be as stupid as Obama's grandmother who admits she was there at the Kenyan hospital when Obama was born…


katahdin
Comment posted February 21, 2010 @ 7:18 pm

President Obama has hardly spent anything. Why do you accept every birther lie at face value, then refuse to accept clear statements from Hawaii state officials?
All the nonsense you have spewed was debunked long ago.
The truth is plain and simple. Barack Obama was born in the state where his parents met and were married, and where his maternal grandparents lived. There is no evidence of anything else. You are of course free to speculate about any number of unlikely things event that you think could have happened. But President Obama has no obligation to directly address birther fantasies. He's got a job to do.


katahdin
Comment posted February 21, 2010 @ 7:23 pm

The COLB says right on its face that it is “prima facie evidence of birth in all court proceedings.”
You clearly don't understand how the law works. You don't get to go to a court, outline your wild suspicions, and demand that the court help you prove them.
You have to have evidence that establishes a case that would counteract the self-affirming legal document from the State of Hawaii that President Obama possesses.
You have no such evidence. And you never will have any.


jedidad
Comment posted February 21, 2010 @ 7:28 pm

You need to read this entire discussion….evidence abounds Obama is NOT natural born and you KNOW IT! If there was no problem, we would have seen ALL his credentials by now…documents like health, student loan, passport and more (besides a genuine long form birth certificate). Obama cannot do his job because he never can or will come clean and that is WHY the democrats are abandoning him right now…without his party support, he will continue to be Dr. DoNothing.
Obama did NOTHING good when Dems had supermajority in the Congress…HOW MUCH LESS WILL HE DO NOW?!? :)


jedidad
Comment posted February 21, 2010 @ 7:29 pm

“President Obama has hardly spent anything.”

ahhhhHAAAA! You admit you KNOW Obama has spent money deliberately trying to keep the truth out of court :) The whole world knows he is not natural born.


katahdin
Comment posted February 21, 2010 @ 7:35 pm

You are wrong. No evidence exists that President Obam is anything but a natural born citizen. All you have are fantasies and conspiracy theories. You really should look at all the birthers' objectively, instead of just seeing what you want to see.


jedidad
Comment posted February 21, 2010 @ 7:37 pm

Yes, you DO go to court when you have been injured by another's actions. Obama's inability to clear up this situation has injured his presidency beyond repair, injured the DEM party and every American. Obama is helpless as a baby! IF OBAMA CAN'T HANDLE THIS SIMPLE SITUATION OF RELEASING HIS DOCUMENTS TO CLEAR UP THIS LITTLE SITUATION, HOW CAN YOU EVER EXPECT HIM TO SOLVE THE BIG PROBLEMS? He can't and he won't. He is unable to serve us period. His presidency has totally failed. Maybe he needs us to send him some Stimulus???


jedidad
Comment posted February 21, 2010 @ 7:40 pm

His grandmother's recorded statements are proof and evidence enough for me. She was there at his birth in Kenya and you were not. Kenyan Ambassador Ogego wanting to put up an historical birth place marker in Kenya is also proof enough for me and certainly better than the flawed Hawaiin Birth Certification system which is riddled with flaws.


katahdin
Comment posted February 21, 2010 @ 8:17 pm

President Obama's grandmother said that he was born in Hawaii, but I guess you missed the part of the transcript where she said that. Typical birther, looking at the evidence with one eye shut. You draw conclusions, then look for “evidence” to justify the outcome you want.
There is, of course, no evidence that President Obama's mother ever went to Kenya in her entire life.


katahdin
Comment posted February 21, 2010 @ 8:24 pm

You have an exaggerated sense of importance. The Republican party is running away from the birthers as fast as they can.


Anthony
Comment posted February 21, 2010 @ 8:25 pm

You keep on spreading your utter nonsense as facts. None of the them consistent with fact.

What makes you a moron is that your willingness to accept obvious forgeries and things that are legal evidence in American courts of law.


Anthony
Comment posted February 21, 2010 @ 8:28 pm

When you get some understand of the meaning of “prima facie evidence” then you will understand what at first sight means.


Anthony
Comment posted February 21, 2010 @ 8:30 pm

Amazing so you know the exact breakdown of the presidents legal expense, but you just can't get access Hawaii's statement about the president.

You are such a moron.


jedidad
Comment posted February 21, 2010 @ 8:30 pm

…and Ambassador Ogego erecting the birthplace monument in Kenya? The Kenyan newspaper stories of his native birth there? YOU and your UnFearless leader are COWARDS and that is an understatement. You raise the bar for cowards, everywhere. You are totally afraid of the truth and with good reason.


jedidad
Comment posted February 21, 2010 @ 8:32 pm

If you say there are problems with forgeries, THEN HAVE YOUR LEADER RELEASE HIS GENUINE DOCUMENTS TO SETTLE THE MATTER FOR ALL TIME. Why are you and Obama so afraid to into court???? We all know why….he is not natural born and he does not have the goods to show it.


jedidad
Comment posted February 21, 2010 @ 8:34 pm

We are ALL waiting for the first sight of Obama's legit bonafide LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE. He says in his book he has it in a safe. Why won't he show it TO YOU???!!!???? Why have we not seen it yet?


Anthony
Comment posted February 21, 2010 @ 8:35 pm

Are on crack or something. Please pot the drugs away they are damaging your ability to think. Trust me the Democratic party are going to use your birther lunaticity to undermine the GOP. What you don't understand in politics is that their are people who are considered swing voters. These are the people who usually decide elections. By making voters things that the GOP are pandering to the “lunatic fringe” these voters will have doubt about GOP leadership. This doubt will lead to the “swing voters” voting for a non GOP candidate.

Please keep it up.


jedidad
Comment posted February 21, 2010 @ 8:36 pm

Nobody can know the exact breakdown of Obama's legal expenses…of course he is keeping all of that secret too!!!! Just like his birth, education, health and passport records! Why are you such a coward like he is and afraid to reveal the truth. We all know that YOU know he is NOT natural born.


Anthony
Comment posted February 21, 2010 @ 8:37 pm

You keep on avoiding your slur against the good men and women who work everyday to protect America. Sir, you are a fraud.


jedidad
Comment posted February 21, 2010 @ 8:40 pm

YOU are hallucinating again, buddy boy. The GOP is in full recovery mode and the DEMS are in splinters all because of Obama. I refuse all political labels on myself including “swing”. As for genuine swing voters, they are already suffering from “buyer's remose” for voting last time for Obama and it will not happen again. We need real statesmen, not total fakes like BO


Anthony
Comment posted February 21, 2010 @ 8:42 pm

Are you also illiterate or just stupid. Certification and certificate have the exact same meaning in English. Live births are always records as births. A still-birth isn't records as a birth as it is a death.

Yep, sticking to your ludicrous logic.


jedidad
Comment posted February 21, 2010 @ 8:54 pm

You are exposed here and now as the FRAUD and COWARD. No police department including the SECRET SERVICE would hire a man who will NOT present his health records, college/education records OR GENUINE LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE. CHECK WITH THE HAWAIIN STATE POLICE! You have been exposed.


jedidad
Comment posted February 21, 2010 @ 8:58 pm

You better get a dictionary, pal. If Certification of Live birth (colb) and the long form “Birth Certificate” and the meaning of those two words “certificate” and “certification” the same, THEN WHY DO THEY HAVE BOTH? You prove your own illiteracy by trying to slur the two words to make one thing the two differing certificates are the same thing when they are not. Again you and your UnFearless Leader are cowards with streaks of yellow all the way down your backs from your hair to your heels. Set the world straight and bring forth the genuine credentials and documentation of birth, education, passport, health and all….NOW


Anthony
Comment posted February 21, 2010 @ 8:59 pm

You are an utter moron. All you do is repeat things that are written on birther web sites. You didn't even read either articles. You saw the title of the article and stated yes I have found PROOF. Hmmm. I read you discussing the difference between proof and evidence.

The only coward is you sir. You refused to read either newspaper article. If you did you would notice that the content actually contradicted the title of the article.

You are a coward because you refuse even look at Obama's birth certificate.

You are a coward because you refuse to look at both press releases by the state of Hawaii confirming that they have Obama's birth records.

You are a coward because you are willing to spread lies about other people without providing proof.

You are a coward because you hide behind the Constitution to make it seems as though their is some definition in the Constitution of what natural-born means.

You are a coward because you hide behind “freedom of speech” to spread you lies.

You are a coward because you are willing to accept a newspaper article as proof when the original article doesn't have the word Kenya or Kenyan in it.

You are a coward because you willingness to insult people intelligence you with utter nonsense without providing any facts to support your position.

You are a coward because you are willing to accept obvious forgeries over legal documents that are accepted in American courts as evidence.

You are a coward and a fraud who honestly has to grow-up and accept an election loss.


Anthony
Comment posted February 21, 2010 @ 9:01 pm

Well grab a time machine and venture into the past. Just make sure that you don't touch yourself. We don't want you to go boom now would we.


Anthony
Comment posted February 21, 2010 @ 9:03 pm

When you can produce a GENUINE argument we are willing to listen to you. However, your use of word play is just a demonstration that you are either stupid or just illiterate.


jedidad
Comment posted February 21, 2010 @ 9:06 pm

All you have to do to end your endless cowardly agony is HAVE YOUR LEADER SHOW US THE GOODS! He should have done this long ago, but does not care enough about YOU or the other liberals now abandoning him to SHOW US ALL HIS CREDENTIALS and end the subject completely. You can NEVER win as long as the Coward-In-Chief refuses to do the right thing and show Americans how TRANSPARENT his administration really is rather than hiding out in the oval office. You followers are no better rushing to his side to aid him in hiding the truth with all your cowardly falsehoods and fake reasoning.


Anthony
Comment posted February 22, 2010 @ 2:07 am

News flash. She back peddled faster that you can say ouch.

You are a hypocrite. I refuse all political labels on myself including “swing”. However, you are willing to use political labels.

As I said before are you a moron or are you just stupid.


jedidad
Comment posted February 21, 2010 @ 9:09 pm

I thought you were just a kid. Your logic in your just above post is truly dazzling. Get out of here.


Anthony
Comment posted February 21, 2010 @ 9:11 pm

You political candidate lost the election. Now you engage in spreading misinformation, distortions of facts and out right lies. Yes, that is the behavior of a coward.

Whether or not you agree with the authenticity with the document only one president candidate has release their birth certificate to the public. Only one. You my sir are nothing but a fraud.


jedidad
Comment posted February 21, 2010 @ 9:11 pm

WOW, you have exposed yourself here, pal, on this board….all can see you have nothing left upstaris except name calling. I know in your heart and head you have accepted your cowardly leader is a fake like yourself…afraid to show the truth. Bring on the truth. That is all America asks. Why are you so cowardly???


Anthony
Comment posted February 21, 2010 @ 9:13 pm

My a shrink is what you need. He could help you deal with an election loss.


Anthony
Comment posted February 21, 2010 @ 9:15 pm

You are so silly. You make nonsensical claims, then you back peddle on them.

Boy are you strange.


jedidad
Comment posted February 21, 2010 @ 9:16 pm

“Your political candidate lost the election” WRONG YOU IGMO! You and fools like you think anyone now standing up against the Faker-In-Chief must have voted for McCain. You flunked mindreading, my friend. We need real statesmen and not the fakes offered by today's DEM & REP parties.

Remember, this is not just about his fake COLB, but we want ALL documentation…college, health, passport and more…SHOW IT NOW OR SHUT UP! :)


Anthony
Comment posted February 21, 2010 @ 9:17 pm

The only evidence that exist are those in your wet dreams. You must try to convince yourself that the laws of American must be wrong as you cry yourself to sleep.


jedidad
Comment posted February 21, 2010 @ 9:19 pm

Junior you are out of your league…time for you to go beedy bye with your dreams.


Anthony
Comment posted February 21, 2010 @ 9:22 pm

No. No. No. Your drivel is damaging those who associate with it. No one wants to be considered to have any relationship with the birther conspiracy nuts.


jedidad
Comment posted February 21, 2010 @ 9:24 pm

I see, now, Junior…that was your first election to vote in….and you are so sorry for your mistake now, right? Better than Obama is out there, but you will have to wait. Go check your pablum on the stove and nighty night


Anthony
Comment posted February 21, 2010 @ 9:26 pm

Certification (certificate) noun.
- ORIGIN
late Middle English (in the sense 'certification, attestation'): from French certificat or medieval Latin certificatum, from certificate(see CERTIFY)


Anthony
Comment posted February 21, 2010 @ 9:30 pm

Wow, with the Kenyan Ambassador stating that they want to put up a marker at his birth place I wonder why this wasn't news. Could it be that it is factually false. You are so disillusioned you don't even release that that is just another birther misinformation. Please pull you head out of the rabbit hole and find another hobby. This one seems to be leading to brain damage.


Anthony
Comment posted February 21, 2010 @ 9:34 pm

See the problem you have is that it is a federal crime to forge birth records. You make up nonsensical arguments and don't even realize that they are disjoint form reality.

You talk as if you are a brave person. Well please go and make a citizen arrest at the White House.

I would love to see the Secret Service lead you away in handcuffs.

It will be really funny. However, not as funny as your asininely stupid comments.


Anthony
Comment posted February 21, 2010 @ 9:39 pm

Do you know where your arguments fall apart. Is you use of the word “fake”. Seeing men more power that our president lead away in handcuff for crimes makes you comments utterly categorically stupid.

When you return from wonderland or the rabbit hole let us know. Then we can continue to ridicule your asininely stupid position.


Anthony
Comment posted February 21, 2010 @ 9:41 pm

Have I hurt your feelings. Stop complaining. You are engaging in spreading lies and smearing another person.


Anthony
Comment posted February 21, 2010 @ 9:47 pm

jedidad wrote, in response to Anthony (unregistered):

Junior you are out of your league…time for you to go beedy bye with your dreams.

What are you talking about. You refuse to accept a document issued by an authority as legal fact. However, you are willing to accept an obvious forged road sign as evidence. In other words. You want to use something that is unverifiable as evidence, while rejecting something that is verifiable.

verifiable
* ADJ
Something that is verifiable can be proved to be true or genuine.

Why are you so disillusioned? It couldn't be because of an election loss.


Anthony
Comment posted February 21, 2010 @ 10:30 pm

jedidad wrote, in response to Anthony (unregistered):

I see, now, Junior…that was your first election to vote in….and you are so sorry for your mistake now, right? Better than Obama is out there, but you will have to wait. Go check your pablum on the stove and nighty night

So how does your tripe prove anything. You write things that make absolutely no sense.

So someone believes a person is eligible to run for office. However, they become disillusioned by the performance of that politician and then defends them.

I don't know how confused you are but people rarely continue to support a politician after they become disenchanted with them. This is the same with any type of relationship.

Real adults pick on policies of the politicians and not characteristics when they disagree with them. You seem more intent on a characteristic of our duly elected president. Why is that?

Is it the fact that he isn't implementing policies that you like? Is the fact that he is moving the country in a direction that you disagree with? Sorry to inform you, but that is what the election was all about. The election decided the policies that would be sought, and the direction the country would move in.

You call people cowards, but take exception when you are coward. All that is need is to prove a person wrong, but you cry like a little child. Harsh words that are used are to describe the nature of your behavior to suggest that you stop, or change you behavior.

You attempt to push the idea that certificate and certification are different words. Even though others who subscribe to birtherism have abandoned that position.

With bills being passed in both the House and the Senate you attempt to suggest that the presidents political bases and party leadership are abandoning him. I wonder what the situation would be like if they were embracing him. You don't even recognize your contradiction of the facts.

The president of US has been duly elected and only an act of congress can remove him. However, you can't even grasp this concept. What makes this amusing is the fact that the Democratics control congress. With you sticking to your lunatic position you don't even see the sweet irony of one of your assertions.

You seem to not know what “prima facie evidence” means. However, you want to pipe on about the difference between proof and evidence with out know the similarities of the two words.

proof noun
1 evidence or argument establishing a fact or the truth of a statement
* Law the spoken or written evidence in a trail.

evidence noun
the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true.
* Law Information drawn from personal testimony, a document, or a material object, used to establish facts in a legal investigation or admissible as testimony in a law court.

It is the state of Hawaii Department of Health who has the jurisdictional of keep birth records of everyone born in Hawaii, and issuing birth records to people who have a direct relationship with the child. The state of Hawaii Department of Health is entrusted in the responsibility of ensuring that those birth records are accurate and current. Anyone who gets a new copy of their birth records are not doing anything notorious. Copies of birth records age over time or get damaged. In the state of Hawaii copies of birth records are called Certification of Live Birth and are birth certificates.

So the question is.

“jedidad, What are you hiding? You should admit it now or SHUT UP”

The last two words are your own words. How ironic : ).


ellid
Comment posted February 21, 2010 @ 11:41 pm

Okay, so you voted for Grover Norquist or Wiley Drake or Alan Keyes. So what? You're still wrong about the President, and a disgrace to your country.


ellid
Comment posted February 21, 2010 @ 11:42 pm

The truth is that the birthers are a bunch of nasty, cowardly little racists who lie.


ellid
Comment posted February 21, 2010 @ 11:43 pm

Better to be out of one's league than out of one's mind.


ellid
Comment posted February 21, 2010 @ 11:45 pm

Personally, I'd rather vote for the late Gus Hall than any Republican currently considering a run for the White House.


Anonymous
Comment posted February 22, 2010 @ 4:53 am

Yet another idiot who thinks that the law works like something s/he has seen on television. How ridiculous.


Anonymous
Comment posted February 22, 2010 @ 4:54 am

Different states have different terms. I have the equivalent of a certificate of live birth from Pennsylvania and have used it as proof of citizenship for years. You are wrong.


Anonymous
Comment posted February 22, 2010 @ 4:57 am

Of course a police department wouldn’t hire him. He’s an attorney. If he wanted to work in law enforcement, the President would apply to the Cook County DA’s office.

As for your claim that an American citizen is an undocumented alien, it is about on a par with the lunatics who think that fluoridated water causes sterility, that Battlefield Earth was a cinematic masterpiece, and that Judge Crater and the Lindbergh baby are living on a tropical island with Amelia Earhart.


jedidad
Comment posted February 22, 2010 @ 1:38 am

Bring forth the credentials and this will all be over. Obama has succeeded only in hiding the truth and has you hoaxed. You are giving aid to an undocumented worker. Why are you and your coward President hiding the documentation….health, passports, education/college and the genuine long form birth certificate which Obama claims he has in a vault. Why hide them if all is in order?


jedidad
Comment posted February 22, 2010 @ 1:41 am

I'ts so simple, Anthony…the WHY….If I have to drive no more than 55mph and show my license/identity and prove it to a policeman, Obama had better damn well have the goods and show his long form birth certificate and be exactly who he says he is…now you know the “why” :)


jedidad
Comment posted February 22, 2010 @ 1:43 am

Right! Alan Keyes is a racist like all birthers….WRONG! Dumbass


jedidad
Comment posted February 22, 2010 @ 1:44 am

nah,just waiting for you to grow up and Obama to show his credentials….we and the whole world are waiting.


jedidad
Comment posted February 22, 2010 @ 1:47 am

Allow me to humor you…WHERE are Obama's credentials???? WHY won't he show them? What is he hiding? ONLY people hiding something pay to try to stay out of court rather than show the light of truth. That's Obama


Anthony
Comment posted February 22, 2010 @ 7:21 am

The idiot doesn’t know what the difference between evidence and proof. Court cases are really boring and slow. One would have though that with Ms. Taitz and others they would have gotten a better idea of how the legal system works. I mean she is one of the few people they actually listen to, so her failures should have shaped their understanding of the legal system.


Anthony
Comment posted February 22, 2010 @ 2:29 am

The election is over. There is absolutely nothing that you can do. There is a reason that birthers are called lunatic. The reason being is that their argument are void of logic and reality.

Do you know what high profile means. Obviously you don't as if you did you would realize how idiotic your comment reads. However, with your disillusion you mostly missed that fact.

So, What are you hiding? We know it has absolutely nothing to do with the presidents authenticated genuine birth certificate.


Anthony
Comment posted February 22, 2010 @ 2:32 am

You continue to write nonsense.

The issue is that in America the states are the legal authority for issuing and maintaining birth records. According to your logic you should return your copy of your birth records to your government agency as it doesn't prove that your birth is authentic nor verifiable. Boy, when you drop logic your argument is absolute nonsense.


Anthony
Comment posted February 22, 2010 @ 2:33 am

Alan Keyes is a xenophobe.


Anthony
Comment posted February 22, 2010 @ 2:38 am

So every time a court case gets dismissed as having no legal standing you must being crying yourself to bed.

Honestly, I don't feel any pity for you. Keep spreading your lies, it only reflect how a desperate person you really are.


Anthony
Comment posted February 22, 2010 @ 7:44 am

With the level of stubbornness I don’t think this is a new birther to this site.


ellid
Comment posted February 22, 2010 @ 8:04 am

Alan Keyes is a bitter, semi-crazed, self hating black man who will never, ever, ever forgive Barack Obama for beating him for the Illinois Senate. Why should I pay attention to a word he says?


Anonymous
Comment posted February 22, 2010 @ 1:07 pm

I wonder who? It’s not Gunny – doesn’t cut and paste. Not Forseti – nowhere near pompous enough. Not NC or Borderraven – too articulate.

Randwulf? Diana in Mississippi? Some visitor from another site? A random glue-sniffer?


Anonymous
Comment posted February 22, 2010 @ 1:07 pm

I wonder who? It’s not Gunny – doesn’t cut and paste. Not Forseti – nowhere near pompous enough. Not NC or Borderraven – too articulate.

Randwulf? Diana in Mississippi? Some visitor from another site? A random glue-sniffer?


ellid
Comment posted February 22, 2010 @ 8:11 am

You're insane.


ellid
Comment posted February 22, 2010 @ 8:12 am

Answer Katahdin's question. Why are you ignoring the complete transcript of the call with Sarah Obama, where she clearly and unequivocally says that her grandson was born in Hawaii?


ellid
Comment posted February 22, 2010 @ 8:13 am

Better than going down in history as an idiot like you.


Anthony
Comment posted February 22, 2010 @ 9:39 am

jedidad wrote, in response to Anthony (unregistered):

You are exposed here and now as the FRAUD and COWARD. No police department including the SECRET SERVICE would hire a man who will NOT present his health records, college/education records OR GENUINE LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE. CHECK WITH THE HAWAIIN STATE POLICE! You have been exposed.

I had to laugh at your comment. I wonder how I missed it.

See the problem that you have is that you insistent on clinging to an utter illogical position. It rots your brain.

Are you on an acid trip or some other drug induced hallucination.

First of all a when a person submits their personal information it is in trust to the organization that they are seeking employment. In other words this information isn't released to the public. This is out of privacy concerns, and protected under current law.

See what you fail to accept is that it is the issuing agency that decides the format that the document are in. In the state of Hawaii it is a Certification of Live Birth. Many have abandoned the position of genuine long form birth certificate, as some have discovered that the Hawaiian long form is also called a Certification of Live Birth.

You continue to engage in the spreading of misinformation, and make absolutely no sense.

You have created a position that isn't related to the facts. Then you attack that position. Your use of the phrases genuine birth certificate and genuine long form are examples of this. This is called a straw-man argument. Yes, these are two distinct faulty arguments even though you feebly attempt to combine them. Another straw-man is original birth certificate.

First straw-man. Long form birth certificate. With changes and improvements in technology it is possible for the format that documents are issued in will change. These improvements can be done to improve security and stop forgeries. Changes to passports and banknotes are two examples of changes of documents.

Second straw-man. Original birth certificate. This is an example of a straw man that uses word play. The word should be just birth certificate. The use of the word original birth certificate has two problems. Original should only be used with the birth record or vital record as stored by the agency that provided the first copy of the birth records. A birth certificate is only a copy of the birth record as stored.

Third straw-man. Genuine birth certificate. Genuine or authentic birth certificate are the same thing. This is a document that is issued by a government agency that has the legal authority to do so. In America it is state agencies that issue birth certificates, and they are responsible for ensuring the integrity of these records. All that is required is that the issuing agency to confirm that they have the original birth records. This has been done by the state of Hawaii.

If you believe any of these are false, then you should promptly go to which ever agency issued your birth certificate and demand a more valid document.


Anthony
Comment posted February 22, 2010 @ 10:08 am

He doesn't even understand the significance of 44 or 0. Maybe if I write forty-four, forty-fourth or zero he might understand.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted February 22, 2010 @ 10:13 am

He's not a quitter like Sarah.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted February 22, 2010 @ 10:17 am

Let me see your papers! Are your papers in order?


Anonymous
Comment posted February 22, 2010 @ 3:19 pm

I have read both of President Obama’s books. He never says that his birth certificate is “in a safe.”


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted February 22, 2010 @ 10:23 am

And we're laughing at you birthtards everyday. It won't matter if Obama chooses not to run in 2012. At least we got him in for a 4 year term to drive all you nutsoid brainless idiots crazy.


Anonymous
Comment posted February 22, 2010 @ 5:59 pm

Typical birther, lying like the proverbial rug.


ellid
Comment posted February 22, 2010 @ 1:02 pm

Unless you were born in Hawaii you most certainly CANNOT get a birth certificate showing that you were born there. Idiot.


ellid
Comment posted February 22, 2010 @ 1:04 pm

A long time ago, in a galaxy far far away, an idiot overdosed on midichlorians and thought he knew everything….


ellid
Comment posted February 22, 2010 @ 1:06 pm

“A couple of dozen crazy racists” does not equal “the whole world.” Not only are you a bigot, a liar, and a very bitter individual, you can't even do math.

Sad.


ellid
Comment posted February 22, 2010 @ 1:08 pm

A few points:

- The 55 mph speed limit was revoked years ago on most highways.

- A driver's license is the only form of identification acceptable to a police officer during a traffic stop. A passport or birth certificate will not cut it.

- Obama released his birth certificate over a year ago.

- You're an idiot.


Anonymous
Comment posted February 22, 2010 @ 6:10 pm

And you’re a liar, a bully, and a fool. What did you use to bribe your doctor into cutting your meds?


jedidad
Comment posted February 22, 2010 @ 2:26 pm

A direct challenge to ANTHONY:

Here is what you will have to do (but Mr. Chicken Anthony will refuse). Call your local police department NOW and talk to their HUMAN RESOURCES or hiring department. ASK them, ANTHONY, if they will hire you WITHOUT your college/education records, health records, COMPLETE LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE, or without a background check. THE ANSWER IS NO.
They would also be interested in knowing if your past friends include felonist REZKO or bomber AYERS.

Stop insulting the intelligence of law enforcment thinking they would hire you without any of this.

Anthony, call them now, ask, get the answer and post their PHONE NUMBER HERE. We can google the phone number to verifiy it is real, and then WE can all call them to verify the answer you post, you yellow striped fraud. That is the challenge now.

Obama works for the taxpayers (we are the boss, he is the hired hand) and he works for our government but has refused to turn over his education/health/passport/genuine birth certificate credentials TO THE ENTIRE FED GOV which included the JUDICAL BRANCH (courts) and the legislative branch (the congress) and I doubt if even VP Joe Biden in the executive branch has seen it all. Obama also refuses to clear up the issue with the voting public by releasing the info.

Will you do this little thing for us all, Anthony, and call and post the result? You HAVE TO in order to win! If you don't you lose. :) You quivering bowl of Yellow Jell-o!!!


jedidad
Comment posted February 22, 2010 @ 2:30 pm

I don't work for you. Obama is supposed to be working for us and is a hired hand but will NOT disclose his education/passport, genuine long form birth certificate, or health documentation to the fed or US.


jedidad
Comment posted February 22, 2010 @ 2:33 pm

I agree…anthony is insane.


jedidad
Comment posted February 22, 2010 @ 2:38 pm

I can't make sense out of your crazy post….put the beer down and answer the challenge at the top of the board. We are waiting :)


Anthony
Comment posted February 22, 2010 @ 2:44 pm

I direct challenge to me. Are you absolutely moronic or just disillusioned. Did you realize that an election had happened over a year ago? It is over and finished.

Instead of admitting why you dislike the president you use straw-men again. Did the president have to provide any that information to get elected? I wonder if he did. The answer is an absolute no.

See you have a little problem with your argument. You just don't see it do you? Do you see the problem? You are just too stupid to see the problem are you. Let me point it out to you.

Law enforcement agencies are agents of the local, state, or federal government. With only considering the state police. We know that they are agencies of the state government just like the Department of Health (as in the case of the State of Hawaii). Yes, the same entity that issues Certification of Live Births. Yes, the same entity that explicitly stated that they have seen Obama's birth records and that he is a natural-born citizen of America.

The Hawaii state Police would contact the Department of Health in Hawaii for any people that they doubt were born in Hawaii. Do you know the result. They will make the exact same confirmation that they did with Obama if that person qualified for a Certification of Live Birth.

Now, I really don't believe that the State of Hawaii will have any doubt about a person submitting a Certification of Live Birth as proof that they were born in Hawaii. However, it will not be rejected or will there be any demand for a “long-form.”

The problem with your asininely stupid argument is that you are trying to explain away Obama's presidency. You are feebly trying to undermine it with smear and lies. However, I look at your arguments based on everyone one. That is everyone born in American or more specifically in Hawaii.

You are so blinded by your hatred for the president that you don't even see that you argument fit a general case. You insist on arguing backwards. This is a kind to believing that “4 + 5 = 7″. You try your hardest to make 7 equal 5 plus 4, but fail to realize no matter how hard you try it will not be true.

When you have time we will like to hear the truth instead of your smears. We most likely will not agree with you, but we will respect you for your honest opinion. As for now we only consider you a little man who hides behind lies.

Man you are really stupid.


jedidad
Comment posted February 22, 2010 @ 2:46 pm

Hey, just post on the TOP board challenge now….all the other comments are running off to the far extreme right side of the board and I doubt if anyone out there can see them all now including us. Thanks for the back and forth, that is what debate is about.


Anthony
Comment posted February 22, 2010 @ 2:46 pm

There you go with your disillusions again. It was a reply to you.


Anthony
Comment posted February 22, 2010 @ 2:49 pm

The election is over. It is done. It is finished. And this was in 2008. Don't you realize that it is 2010. A mentally sane person would have gotten over the election a long time ago.

Please stop using the term “genuine long form birth certificate” it just proves that you are an ignorant person. Many people who support the birther conspiracy insanity have dropped that term.


Anthony
Comment posted February 22, 2010 @ 2:51 pm

You were to stupid to realize that it was rebutted even before it was posted. Even I read the complete birth nonsense. What are you to much of a coward to read my comments.

Man you are just a fraud.


jedidad
Comment posted February 22, 2010 @ 2:54 pm

“The Police” are under the Executive branch of government which is to ENFORCE the laws. You have to submit your documentation TO THEM for employment.

ANSWER THE CHALLENGE NOW, ANTHON!Y!!!!! WHAT did your local police department say? WHY have you not called them yet? WHY do you NOT want Obama to release all his documentation to the government he works for (the judicial courts or legislative congressional branch) or to us the people who hired him???

CALL YOUR LOCAL PD…we are waiting…NO ANSWER = you LOSE!


Anthony
Comment posted February 22, 2010 @ 3:03 pm

What is both funny and juvenile about your post is ellid and other agree with the fact that Obama is a natural-born citizen. They also understand that a Certification of Live Birth is legal proof of birth.


Anthony
Comment posted February 22, 2010 @ 3:09 pm

A state agency will accept a document produced from another state agency as proof. It is really not that complicated of a concept to understand. However, if they do have any concerns they will just make a telephone call to confirm that the information is correct. It isn't really that of a complicated concept to understand.

Please watch the door.


ellid
Comment posted February 22, 2010 @ 3:10 pm

Uh, that was directed at *you*, Jedidad, not Anthony. Please learn to read, okay?


jedidad
Comment posted February 22, 2010 @ 3:12 pm

CALL your PD NOW, Mr. Chicken because it is NOT all about the birth certificate…..it is about Obama's WHOLE history which includes student aid/college records/ health records/passports and more which I have already told you a DOZEN TIME!

WHY won't you make the call about all these records to your local cop shop and see if they will hire you without this info???

Again you refuse to also answer WHY you do NOT want Obama to release ALL his records. WHY?!?!?!?

If you don't make the call to the PD now, YOU LOSE!


ellid
Comment posted February 22, 2010 @ 3:13 pm

The President already released his birth certificate, which is more personal information than any of his predecessors. Your demand for more is ridiculous, unnecessary, and a gross invasion of privacy.


Anthony
Comment posted February 22, 2010 @ 3:27 pm

Honestly, I am not stupid enough to ask my local police department the obvious question.

As we live in the digital age it is possible to just check your local police departments jobs site.

An applicant must:

* Be at least 21 years old.
* Be a U.S. citizen (either born or naturalized), American national or permanent resident alien.
* Have a valid driver’s license from Hawaii or comparable license from another state.
* Have a combination of education and experience substantially equivalent to graduation from high school.
* Be qualified to carry and possess any firearm or ammunition in accordance with state and federal laws. Persons convicted of domestic violence, whether convicted of a misdemeanor or felony, will not be considered for a position because federal law prohibits them from carrying firearms.

http://www.hawaiipolice.com/topPages/recruitmen…

I looked high and low and just don't see your childish demand. Honest, not everyone is as disillusioned as you.

When you form an opinion based on logic I will be surprised.


Anthony
Comment posted February 22, 2010 @ 3:34 pm

You make absolutely no sense. Absolutely zero. The State of Hawaii released two press releases from moron like you asking the obvious question. I mean obvious in the sense that the answer is already now.

If you enjoy playing chicken at night on the highway, please let me know. I don't want the trauma of hitting with my car.


ellid
Comment posted February 22, 2010 @ 3:35 pm

Let's see how many errors we can spot –

- Under the current law, which was passed during the 1980s (that is, under a Republican administration), acceptable documents include a driver's license, passport, INS work permit (for non-citizens here under a work visa), or a state-issued copy of one's birth records. Yes, this includes a certification of birth if (like many of us) one has lost the cute little hospital-issued thingy with a footprint and height and weight and the name of the doctor/midwife.

The police department has nothing to do with this unless, of course, one is applying for a job with the police.

- Police departments are not part of the executive branch of the United States government. They are local entities that have jurisdiction only over their respective territories (town, city, or state), which is why I fail to see why I should bother the police chief of my quiet little town in Massachusetts and demand that he send someone to Washington to arrest the President for a fictitious crime. The closest the United States has to a national police force is the FBI, which has quite enough to do without me leaving crackpot voicemails.

- What makes you think the President hasn't been thoroughly vetted by the FBI? Just because you and your little friends haven't been made privy to the process doesn't mean it hasn't happened.

- Personally, I could care less what grade the President earned in freshman composition, or in fingerpainting at kindergarten, or in whatever course he took during his winter break in 1981. Why YOU want to do this is beyond me.

- The President was born in Hawaii. Deal with it.


ellid
Comment posted February 22, 2010 @ 3:37 pm

As I pointed out below, the “local cop shop” has nothing to do with employment verification.

As for losing, you've already lost your mind….


ellid
Comment posted February 22, 2010 @ 3:56 pm

He already produced a birth certificate from the State of Hawaii that clearly and unequivocally confirms his birth in Hawaii. The rest is not necessary.

Go back to Wingnut Daily, you knee-walking turkey, and worship at the feet of the traitor Joseph Farah.


jedidad
Comment posted February 22, 2010 @ 4:32 pm

You WILL have to present all your documentation for employement with the PD…call them Mr. CLUCK-CLUCK….or you lose!


jedidad
Comment posted February 22, 2010 @ 4:40 pm

We are all waiting….post the PD response to your call….oh well, you lose.


katahdin
Comment posted February 22, 2010 @ 4:42 pm

George Bush was business partners with Osama Bin Laden's brother, so I'm hardly concerned that President Obama had a passing acquaintance with some tinhorn 60s student radical. He was 8 years old when Ayers was misbehaving. And this all came out before the election. I guess the majority of Americans aren't as obsessed with the 60s as the birthers.


ellid
Comment posted February 22, 2010 @ 10:18 pm

Answer Katahdin's question.


ellid
Comment posted February 22, 2010 @ 10:20 pm

Of course the cowardly little birther with the micropenis can't be bothered to answer a question….


ellid
Comment posted February 22, 2010 @ 10:21 pm

Why? I already have a job. There's no other reason to “present” my identification to the police unless I want to buy a gun, which I don't.


Anonymous
Comment posted February 23, 2010 @ 3:24 am

Please produce evidence that Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton, John F. Kennedy, Dwight D. Eisenhower, Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan, or either of the Bushes, all of whom were natural born citizens, released copies of their birth certificates, law school diplomas, college transcripts, or marriage licenses either before or after election.


Anthony
Comment posted February 23, 2010 @ 4:30 am

See what make you an idiot is that you continue to cling to an asinine position when it is absolutely incorrect. I am not talking about word selection or a minor typo. I am talking about things that are so wrong that by presenting them put you in a position of being called a liar. Not to worry I already know that you are a liar.

What also makes you moronic is that you just don't know how many birthers I have dealt with. I have done a lot of research on various birthers claims, and everyone have been factually false.

You think that you are some special genuine, but you are just some disillusioned punk who thinks his cheap deceptions will trick any reasonable person.

The thing I am glad about is the knowledge that you apply to the police force, but got rejected. It must have been a childhood dream. However, who the hell would hire a person who is a mentally incompetent as you.

Nothing you have presented has change the fact that the Obama is still the president. You must wet your bed first thing in the morning when you release that the world hasn't changed. I mean literally wet your bed.

What little man you are. Don't worry I don't pity you.


Anthony
Comment posted February 23, 2010 @ 4:38 am

What makes you a literal moron is that you honestly believe that my posts relating to the facts are designed to make you change your mind. See you are disillusioned and nothing that I say will change your mind.

All the post that I place are for people who might be a little confused about the issues. What I am doing is providing people with well thought out arguments backed up with facts. Not the type of quote mining you engage in, but the complete facts. I have absolutely no fear if some does independent research on the information that I post, since I am confidence that a reasonable person will come to the same conclusion.

It is fun being harsh on a simpleton, and just allow people to release how disjoint their arguments are.

Sorry the only lose is your mind.


Anthony
Comment posted February 23, 2010 @ 4:49 am

It is just some cheap deception. He is keeping up his fight but doesn't realize that no one on Capital Hill really care. There may be some GOP politicians pandering for their votes, but that is were it ends. Does this moron really believe the most power man in the world is going to drop everything he is doing just to satisfy some unreasonable lunatics. Honestly, I believe Obama has chuckles with his staff about birthers utter lack of understand of basic law.


Anthony
Comment posted February 23, 2010 @ 5:00 am

The problem with them is that they are trying very hard to prove their position. While people like you are doing research. You and others are researching different aspects of the law and other matters. Instead birthers keep on making mistakes and try to cover them with deceptions and lies. Even after I tried to outline things he goes off on a bizarre tangent.


jedidad
Comment posted February 24, 2010 @ 1:29 am

And now, we challenge ANY and ALL anti-birthers to answer the simple question right here and now…would even the FEDERAL secret service HIRE Obama as a member of their team WITHOUT his health records, education/college records, complete LONG FORM genuine birth certificate and a background check? Yes or no. Answer now or you all lose. Yes or No??? YES OR NO!!!! Answer NOW, fools.

Let's all don't hold our breath for any of them to answer yes or no…instead let's all enjoy another round of that rousing patriot song:

BATTLE HYMN OF THE UNSINKABLE BIRTHERS!
(Sung to the tune of “The Battle Hymn of? the Republic”)

Mine eyes have not yet seen
Obama's birth certificate.
It is in the Devil's Vault,
Where only God's Right Hand can get.
Obama's C. O. L. B. is a
Lousy counterfeit.
It's truth we're marching for!!!!

Orly! Orly! Hallelujah!!!
Orly! Orly! Hallelujah!!!
Orly! Orly! Hallelujah!!!
It's truth we're marching for!!!!

We shall fight the Masked Usurper
On the beaches, in the hills.
We shall fight this Painted Joker
On the seas and in the fields.
We shall fight to Hell and back
And into court and with appeals.
It's truth we're marching for!!!!

Orly! Orly! Hallelujah!!!
Orly! Orly! Hallelujah!!!
Orly! Orly! Hallelujah!!!
It's truth we're marching for!!!!

(Author grants permission to reprint on web or in print and to perform in public)

and they STILL won't answer yes or no


jedidad
Comment posted February 24, 2010 @ 6:29 am

And now, we challenge ANY and ALL anti-birthers to answer the simple question right here and now…would even the FEDERAL secret service HIRE Obama as a member of their team WITHOUT his health records, education/college records, complete LONG FORM genuine birth certificate and a background check? Yes or no. Answer now or you all lose. Yes or No??? YES OR NO!!!! Answer NOW, fools.

Let's all don't hold our breath for any of them to answer yes or no…instead let's all enjoy another round of that rousing patriot song:

BATTLE HYMN OF THE UNSINKABLE BIRTHERS!
(Sung to the tune of “The Battle Hymn of? the Republic”)

Mine eyes have not yet seen
Obama's birth certificate.
It is in the Devil's Vault,
Where only God's Right Hand can get.
Obama's C. O. L. B. is a
Lousy counterfeit.
It's truth we're marching for!!!!

Orly! Orly! Hallelujah!!!
Orly! Orly! Hallelujah!!!
Orly! Orly! Hallelujah!!!
It's truth we're marching for!!!!

We shall fight the Masked Usurper
On the beaches, in the hills.
We shall fight this Painted Joker
On the seas and in the fields.
We shall fight to Hell and back
And into court and with appeals.
It's truth we're marching for!!!!

Orly! Orly! Hallelujah!!!
Orly! Orly! Hallelujah!!!
Orly! Orly! Hallelujah!!!
It's truth we're marching for!!!!

(Author grants permission to reprint on web or in print and to perform in public)

and they STILL won't answer yes or no


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