Rep. Nathan Deal Talks About His Quest for Obama’s Birth Certificate
Wednesday, February 10, 2010 at 10:02 am
Jason Pye passes on a video of Rep. Nathan Deal (R-Ga.), a candidate for governor of Georgia, being questioned by minor birther figure Carl Swensson (of “citizen grand jury” fame), and explaining the current status of his request for President Obama to release his birth certificate.
Video and transcript after the jump:
I think that it is a communication that deserves, at least, his response, first of all, I think — which we have not received. But in essence what I told him is this. When I am asked a congressman, from constituents, hard questions, I don’t shy away from hard questions. I try to answer those questions. If I don’t have the information to answer the questions, I have to go to the people who do have the answer. In this case I think the president is the one who can clear this up. What I’m asking him to do is tell me where I can ask my constituents to go to see authentic documentation that he says will satisfy their curiousity.
I know that some folks are trying to label this as politically incorrect. I want to tell you something. Political incorrectness is paralyzing our society. These kinds of things deserve straightforward responses. And I think this ought to be put to rest I’m not questioning his legitimacy to serve as president. I would think he’d like to clear that up in as unequivocal a fashion as possible. And that’s simply all I’m asking.
Deal’s take is reminiscent (if it’s fair to compare the two conspiracy theories) of the logic behind the 9/11 Truth Statement that brought down former Green Jobs “Czar” Van Jones. It’s not that he himself doubts Obama’s citizenship — it’s that Questions Are Being Asked.
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Comment posted February 10, 2010 @ 11:13 am
Deal is desperately trying to deflect attention from his shady buisness arangements with the state.
Comment posted February 10, 2010 @ 11:59 am
Since the man in first three videos has been labeled to have the highest IQ, why are we not listening to him? Is it because of video number 4?
1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ap2Cg_FDRy4
2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5R6kVry4_c
3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlKIfzoC8D0
4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEh_F1LJwoo
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Comment posted February 10, 2010 @ 12:17 pm
It seems to be a common belief among conservatives that political correctness is a giant threat. Here it is accused of “paralyzing our society.” I'm not sure what that means, but I certainly haven't seen any of our institutions grind to a halt recently.
Political correctness certainly does exist, and like zero-tolerance policies it manages to produce some asinine results in our school system. Neither of these comprise a major threat to society, however; even compared just to other societal trends stressing our educational system, it's a minor problem.
Perhaps it is because the really costly problems are ones where liberals claim the moral high ground, but conservatives seem to have aimed their guns at minor issues like tort reform, political correctness, and federal earmarks.
Comment posted February 10, 2010 @ 5:24 pm
Deal's letter isn't politically incorrect in the sense that term is usually used; it's just stupid. A stupid letter written to pander to Deal's stupid, largely racist constituency. I grew up in Atlanta and know the kind of people Nathan Deal represents because his district isn't far from there.. The area is, and always has been, rife with racism and Deal's just sucking up to the people he works for.
With any luck, Nathan Deal will flame out in the Georgia gubernatorial primary and return to obscurity. Then again, you never know what to expect from the voters in Georgia.
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Comment posted February 10, 2010 @ 10:48 pm
A real man, a real American, a real leader would have the courage to provide the birth certificate.
Comment posted February 10, 2010 @ 11:55 pm
The only response to characters like Deal with their mealy-mouthed “I'm not accusing, I'm just asking questions” schtick should be to ask them to produce their own birth certificate. Over and over again. If they do eventually produce it, tell them it looks phony to you and ask them to produce the real one. Over and over again. You're just asking questions, right?
Comment posted February 11, 2010 @ 2:32 pm
“I’m not questioning his legitimacy to serve as president. I would think he’d like to clear that up in as unequivocal a fashion as possible.”
I don't get the way these people think. In one sentence, he claims he's not questioning Obama's legitimacy to serve as president. But in the very next sentence, he's referring to things that need to be “clear[ed]… up.” Either there's room for doubt, or there isn't. Which is it?
Comment posted February 11, 2010 @ 3:26 pm
“questions”
“answers”
“clear up”
“straightforward”
“unequivocal”
“put to rest”
i do not think these words mean what he wants to pretend they mean.
Comment posted February 11, 2010 @ 3:47 pm
“What is Obama hiding and why?”
Considering that he's presented a Hawaiian COLB (which under Hawaiian law derives its information from source vital records) to a non-partisan political organization which posted nine high-quality images of it for the online world to see, unlike any president in U.S. history, I'd answer your compound question as follows:
(a) Nothing
(b) N/A
Comment posted February 11, 2010 @ 4:17 pm
President Obama is not hiding anything…..so the “why” is moot….you DO know what “moot” means, right??? Well, it means GET YOUR FUCKIN BIRFER HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS AND REALIZE THAT YOU'RE STUPID!!!
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Comment posted February 11, 2010 @ 10:27 pm
If it's no big deal then why doesn't he just show the original. He spends a million dollars to not show it. A million dollars. He won't release his college rocords either. My guess is because he got financial aid by saying he was not a natural citizen. As far as the one posted on the Internet It's fake an obvious photoshoped fake.
Comment posted February 12, 2010 @ 12:49 am
If he's not hiding anything, why won't he just show his bc and college records? Asking for someone's documents isn't really asking that much of them. Unless, of course, the documents are forged or just plain don't exist.
Comment posted February 12, 2010 @ 12:17 pm
If you ask me for my documents I will tell you to go fuck yourself!!! Listen birfer, HE HAS SHOWN HIS BIRTH CERTIFICATE…..President Obama didn't have to show anything, but he did and just because you want to believe birfer bullshit DOES NOT MEAN THAT HE HAS TO SHOW YOU SOMETHING ELSE THAT YOU SAY YOU WILL BELIEVE….You will not believe anything he shows. You know it and I know it. All the other SPECULATION about forgery is more birfer bullshit. Have you seen any other former president's college records? NO, idiot, and you don't care because they are white…….and trying to say that because President Obama ignores your dumb asses, he MUST be hiding SOMETHING is just stupid. Did you kill somebody this morning? You say you didn't?? Well prove it!!!!!! Or else I am going to speculate all day about how you must be hiding SOMETHING or else you would PROVE you didn't kill someone……SEE HOW STUPID THAT IS!!???
Damn, you birfers bug me sometimes for the sheer level of dumb shit that I hear.
Comment posted February 12, 2010 @ 12:48 pm
I was almost listening until you said “liberals claim the moral high ground.” You're kidding right???? Conservatives CLAIM the moral high ground because they are the ones talking about family values, i.e., Ensing, Sanford, and a host of others. Every time you turn around some conservative is saying one thing and doing something else. And saying that conservatives care about federal earmarks and tort reform………PLEASE……believe me, political correctness is what conservatives say when they want you to not take notice of stop their hypocrisy!
Comment posted February 12, 2010 @ 12:54 pm
name…….your entire post is just one big birfer LIE!!!!!!! But keep GUESSING……..and one day, realize that you are doing exactly that: guessing, supposing, speculating, wondering, wishing, etc……..as if any of that amounts to evidence of what you say……..
Comment posted February 14, 2010 @ 1:00 am
Birth records – already released over a year ago.
College records – not relevant
Comment posted February 14, 2010 @ 2:47 pm
I'm just saying, it is a simple question… May we see your Kenya Birth Certificate and end all this! Just show us your birth certificate already. Even your relatives claim he was born in Kenya. But by now, after having spent $2 million dollars to hide it, and having enough time to make up a fake one, we will probably never be able to prove it. Where are all these attorneys that were supposed to be on top of it? Like everything else, no one does anything.
Comment posted February 14, 2010 @ 9:15 pm
Yes, grasp tightly to that disillusion.
A State of Hawaii birth certificate title Certification of Live Birth was release to the public. Obama is the only presidential candidate to have ever done that. No other presidential, vise presidential, politician or person in recent memory has ever done that.
The State of Hawaii Department of Health through the State of Hawaii governors office released a statement confirming that they have the original birth records.
End of story. Nothing else to see.
Comment posted February 14, 2010 @ 9:17 pm
There have been people releasing birth certificates after the president in an excellent attempt to make themselves look like fools.
Comment posted February 14, 2010 @ 9:22 pm
It isn't that hard to find a digital copy of his birth certificate. It is actually easier that typing the meaningless comment that you did. Or, are you really that lazy where you are more willing to do meaningless tasks than what has to be done.
Comment posted February 14, 2010 @ 9:30 pm
Are you trapped in a rabbit hole. Honestly, it isn't that hard of a task to do. However, what makes your comments idiotic is that Obama is the only president to release his birth certificate to the public.
As for the fake statement it is against the law to be in the possession of a fake birth certificate whether it is physical or digital. As the state of Hawaii releasing a statement confirming that they have the presidents original birth records. Thus, the birth certificate is an authentic digital version of the president's birth certificate.
You can view it at any time of the day in the privacy of your home. You can do it while you are taking a coffee break. You can do it at an internet cafe. All you need is a computer. Yes, the device that you are using is a computer. Don't be to shocked you can actually view the statement from the State of Hawaii for the same computer you are using to read this comment.
Comment posted February 14, 2010 @ 9:41 pm
No one has claimed that the president has been born in Kenya. It is just lies perpetuated by those who want to undermine the legitimacy of the 2008 presidential election.
The president has lawyers for various reasons such as doing back ground checks on prospective member of his staff, and legal advice. However, in one case dismissed those who challenged the president to give them access to his vital records were order to pay the president's legal fee.
It all amounted to $20.40. That isn't even 5% of 0.18% daily interest on 2 million dollars.
All this misinformation is just a feeble distraction.
Comment posted February 14, 2010 @ 10:17 pm
You must have your head in the sand… you know nothing of what you say! Do your research. I suppose you are going to say the Saudi's didn't pay for his education either. All this is sealed so no one can see it.
Comment posted February 14, 2010 @ 10:24 pm
What a bunch of crap. Most of what Obama does is against the law. Are you kidding me. Please, that fake birth certificate appeared after the 2 million dollars was spent to seal all of his records. If all of his records are sealed, than why not this too? There is no need for your attempt to be rude to me, people with such little knowledge only make fools of themselves. By the way, I have a Masters in Computer Science, and a PhD in Political Science… so don't even attempt to challenge me. If you actually researched the information that has been poven to be true, you might actually learn something. You have taken someone's opinion and believed it to be the truth.
Comment posted February 14, 2010 @ 10:29 pm
Wow this website sure caters to the low lifes! When you are the president of the united states, yes you do have to show and tell, and prove you are a legal citizen. There has never been a legitimate birth certificate, and it has been proven, and verified from his own relatives, that he was not born in the United States. It is difficult to debate any issue with people who are so uneducated not have no clue what is going on in the world. My advice, get a job and an education, the truth will set you free.
Comment posted February 14, 2010 @ 10:31 pm
It is impossible to debate a with people who have no clue!
Comment posted February 14, 2010 @ 10:35 pm
It has never been cleared up. There is no real birth certificate for the world to see. There is only sealed records that seals all of his information, and he paid 2 million dollars to do it. For a man to have only 4 million dollars, and to spend half his net worth to do that is certainly questionable. His education was paid for by the Saudi's and he took illegal campaign donations from Arab countries. What is it with you fools that only listen to what people say, but do not research on their own to know the truth.
Comment posted February 14, 2010 @ 10:38 pm
Are you really that stupid? To become the President of the United States you must prove citizenship, you must reveal everything and be scrutinized under a microscope. It also includes revealing the “truth” about who paid for your education and that you are a muslim. Duh! Get an education and do your research instead of screaming idiotic remarks of which you know nothing about.
Comment posted February 14, 2010 @ 10:39 pm
I'll repeat myself for you, as I did for the other clueless fool…Are you really that stupid? To become the President of the United States you must prove citizenship, you must reveal everything and be scrutinized under a microscope. It also includes revealing the “truth” about who paid for your education and that you are a muslim. Duh! Get an education and do your research instead of screaming idiotic remarks of which you know nothing about.
Comment posted February 14, 2010 @ 10:47 pm
You're mouth has proven your stupidity. Really? You vocabulary is so limited you could only come up with this fowl verbage? I doubt you know much of anything other than what someone has told you. Obama is hiding everything and paying good money to do so. Get a clue!
Comment posted February 14, 2010 @ 10:50 pm
The reason my friend that he will not provide these documents is because they will show he was born in Kenya – according to even his own grandmother and aunt – and that the Saudi's paid for his education, and claims he went to a college that he didn't; and will also show many interviews that I personally viewed myself stating the he is a devout Muslim. These things have been proven, and he paid half his net worth, 2 million dollars to seal these records. If all his records are sealed, than why do you think there is this fake one from Hawaii floating around?
Comment posted February 14, 2010 @ 10:53 pm
Where do you people come from… are you smarter than a fifth grader, or perhaps you are a fifth grader. When you are the president of the United States everything about your life is relevant. Are you kiding me? Everything, especially your origin of birth and your education is completely relevant. Obama is the only one that has ever paid millions to have his records sealed.
Comment posted February 14, 2010 @ 11:02 pm
You know not what you say. Obama paid half his net worth, 2 million dollars to seal his records. If all his records are sealed, than why do you think there is this fake one from Hawaii floating around? To confuse idiots like you!
Comment posted February 14, 2010 @ 11:08 pm
There is no choice of whether you want to or not, when you are president of the United States you absolutely must produce evidence of citizenship, ie your birth certificate, and you education level must meet the requirements. By sealing these records prove he is hiding the truth. He is a coward because if the truth is proven, and it will be when the legal teams get through with their investigation, he will be thrown out of the white house immediately. It will prove he is not a citizen, is a Muslim, and his education was paid for by Saudi king. Who knows what else they will find…. like his wife's law license was revoked in Illinois. etc.
Comment posted February 14, 2010 @ 11:13 pm
What was done a year ago? My point is that it has been proven that he paid half his net worth, 2 million dollars to seal these records. If all his records are sealed, than why do you think there is this fake one from Hawaii floating around? You are clueless.
Comment posted February 15, 2010 @ 12:09 am
Let me slam your juvenile position.
A Certification of Live Birth has been posted on the Internet that states that the issuing agency is the State of Hawaii Department of Health. The document clearly states that the place of birth is in Hawaii, and that it represents fact of birth. According to federal law it is illegal to forger birth records. However, the State of Hawaii Department of Health through the the governors of Hawaii's office has release a statement indicating that they have the original birth records.
So, are you suggesting that the State of Hawaii is lying?
Are you suggesting that the State of Hawaii doesn't protect the records of person born, married, or dead in the state?
Unfortunately, for you I have more confidence in the State of Hawaii ensuring the privacy and validity of all their vital records than a simpleton who seems interested in smear one individual.
You can continue to type your tripe, however expect them to be mocked or dismissed as just smears.
Comment posted February 15, 2010 @ 12:16 am
You seems to not understand how either the law or the internet works. Time and time again organizations who have legal rights to a particular piece of work or document have forced people who have illegally posited such information to have it removed.
It is illegal to forge government documents. However, with you clinging to your nonsense position you just don't realize that.
One Certification of Live birth issued by an authority that is legally responsible for that has been posted by Barack H. Obama indicating that he was in fact born in Hawaii. The issuing authority the State of Hawaii Department of Health has issued two statements through the governors of Hawaii's office explicitly stating that they have the original birth records.
Try again. You seem more intent of making yourself look silly.
Comment posted February 15, 2010 @ 12:21 am
Yes, low lifes. People who are more interesting in spreading lies about a person birth, that accept an election loss.
It is always wrong to spread lies about a person. You have just punked yourself. How does it feel?
Comment posted February 15, 2010 @ 12:24 am
Yes that is correct. You have shown utter ignorance to American law and disrespect to American government agencies. All is the single goal of smearing one person. You just don't get it, do you? You just don't have a clue ,do you?
Comment posted February 15, 2010 @ 12:26 am
Blah Blah Blah. When are you going to say something intelligent. You have no knowledge of what you are talking about, but you continue to type utter nonsense. Why?
Comment posted February 15, 2010 @ 12:28 am
He has proven his citizenship. Actually, he has proven that he is a natural-born citizen. You need to prove that you actually graduated from any school. Kindergarten would count.
Comment posted February 15, 2010 @ 12:30 am
See the problem you have is that you have to explain away 3 documents in order to support your position. 3 documents that have legal weight in a court of law. What do you have? Absolutely nothing other that conjecture and smears.
I have done the research and everything points to that you are absolutely totally wrong.
Comment posted February 15, 2010 @ 12:36 am
You have yet to prove your position. A birth certificate was released almost one year and a half ago and you have absolutely nothing.
You complain about “fowl verbiage”, but you seem more interested in smearing one person to stimulate your political pleasures.
Comment posted February 15, 2010 @ 12:42 am
Someone can imagine that you are growing pot on your front porch. Does this mean that you are growing an illegal substance? No, all it means is that someone is wishing that you are doing something illegal.
There is no Kenyan birth certificate, and there was never one.
If you are so concerned please post your birth certificate, both sides on the internet. It would be a great opportunity to be a victim of identity theft. To prevent this type of behavior and fraud is the reason that the State of Hawaii restricts access to the information it has. However, you most likely missed this simple concept.
Comment posted February 15, 2010 @ 12:49 am
When you have only one president to release his birth certificate to the public in recent memory, your argument reads like nonsense. Unfortunately, for some people they just don't realize that it is the law makers who make the laws and not the citizens. That is why they are called law makers. Yes, the president is a law maker. The only requirements is 14 residency, 35 years old, and a natural-born citizen. The is what the law makers wrote when writing the Constitution. Any grade fiver would know this, but apparently you don't.
Comment posted February 15, 2010 @ 12:55 am
You have absolutely no knowledge on the distribution of the funds that the president has paid to law firms, and stop pretending that you do. You are just making yourself look silly.
Comment posted February 15, 2010 @ 12:58 am
There is no desire to provide you with the link to the information that you seem. It seems that you are absolutely scared to accept the fact that the president is in fact a natural-born citizen of America. Well the world will not stop, and the president will address more important issues.
It must really hurt deep inside you that the president of American name is Barack H. Obama. Look on the bright side he will only serve two terms.
Comment posted February 15, 2010 @ 1:01 am
Stop making thinks up. You act like you have a secret eye into the president's professional matter. Is Glenn Beck right that it is Obama supports who are spreading these lies to discredit the right. Honestly, I don't think so. You are just bitter about an election loss.
Comment posted February 15, 2010 @ 7:46 am
Me making things up? I was politely trying to educate you in the realities of the truth. I am not bitter at all, I am an American standing up for my rights. I am an independant, so how am i bitter about it. Are you totally unaware of what is going on around you? You need to take your blinders off. When you get out of high school, perhaps you will learn how to do the research and know what is going on. Right now, you have no clue what is going on in the world.
Comment posted February 15, 2010 @ 7:53 am
When you discover the truth, it will set you free. There are many sources of the truth, besides getting on a discussion board and talking about something you don't have the slightest clue about. It is a good thing to first know what is going on in the world. Watch Fox News and Glenn Beck if you want the truth. Don't keep your head in the sand.
Comment posted February 15, 2010 @ 7:56 am
I feel so sorry for you that you know not what you say. When you get out of high school, perhaps you can go to college and debate with the big boys. I am not the one that stands on ceremony, I read, watch the debates, research, and talk with other people who know, and have researched the truth. The best part is everything I have learned, has been tried and true. Accept the facts, or find them out for yourself.
Comment posted February 15, 2010 @ 8:55 am
All Americans have knowledge and know exactly 100% of the distribution of funds of the president, and all of those in public office. This information is displayed, and for that matter must be displayed for all Americans to see. You my friend have just proved your ignorance. My advice, get educated before talking about things you have no knowledge of. You are now showing your true colors.
Comment posted February 15, 2010 @ 9:03 am
“birfers” really? Need I say more! Ha… jokes on you!
Comment posted February 15, 2010 @ 9:06 am
First of all, I do not lie or spread lies… that is for children like yourself. We will leave that to you who seem to be entitled to do so, as well as accept all the entitlements the government has to offer. I only speak the truth, because first and foremost, seek the truth, and then I make sure there is solid evidence that it has been verified. Who's the punk – that would be you! Can you spell “duh” “tupid”
Comment posted February 15, 2010 @ 9:15 am
Anyone can assume anything they want. Have you ever heard of to assume, makes an ass out of ume? I have had to provide my birth certificate many times, ie drivers license, passports, etc. and I am not running for the president of the United States. All candidates must provide this information for the public to see. You really do need to do your research, you are certainly making a fool of yourself talking about things you know nothing about. To be a great debator, you must educate yourself on both sides. You might first start with an education.
Comment posted February 15, 2010 @ 9:20 am
I debate the truth, I do not have to prove my position, as it is the position of the collective research, and proven facts. I do not partake in the smearing of anyone, I debate both sides of the argument, and error on the side of caution. I know the truth, because the truth is to be known. Unfortunately, you do not know the first thing about seaking the truth. You are a waste of my time. Once you have done your research, and took a look at the real world, on both sides of the argument, perhaps you will have the proof you need. I will let you in on a known secret, no records were provided, he paid 2 million dollars to make sure of that. All records are sealed… do you get that? Please, seek before you speak!
Comment posted February 15, 2010 @ 9:27 am
I can prove, proudly, that I spent 11 years to educate myself, and have earned a masters degree in Computer Science and a PhD in Political Science, what can you prove? The whole nucleus of the debate is that he has not proven his citizenship, you fool! Show me your proof, because the rest of the world would sure like to know this. How can one little pinhead like you prove something that the whole entire planet does not know. Wow, you must be the genius we have been looking for. You should call the news media and let them know that all the lawyers, special interest groups, congressmen and women can stop spending millions of dollars to unseal his records.
Comment posted February 15, 2010 @ 9:34 am
Utter nonsense? What? I'll alert the media to contact you, as you know the truth we have all been seaking. The quest is over! You know it all. You are a waste of time, it is obvious that you know nothing… isn't it time for you to go play video games now? Seek before you speak, do you know what that means?
Comment posted February 15, 2010 @ 9:38 am
Need I say more… you have proven your ignorance. Don't waste my time. I have spent the better part of my life plugged in to American Law, Constitution and government agencies. We are talking about corruption. But, you would have to look that one up. Please, put up truth, or go away little boy! You are attempting to smear me, but you are not big enough. I know far more than you will ever know.
Comment posted February 15, 2010 @ 2:42 pm
Yes. You are making things up. What is hard to understand about that. It really isn’t that of a hard concept to understand.
The State of Hawaii has the legal authority to issue birth certificates and maintain those records. The State of Hawaii through its Department of Health issued to Barack H. Obama a version of his birth certificate which he later posted on the internet.
What I see are people who are more interested in spreading false rumor about the president that addressing the issues that got him elected. I know that their are people who disagree with his policies, but some of those policies are the reason he got elected.
As an American you would understand that everyone has the same rights under the law. This also include false accusations. Your entire position is about false accusations against the president of American and the state of Hawaii to name a few.
Take a deep look in the mirror and ask yourself. Is undermining the founding principles of America is worth your conspiracy theory?
Comment posted February 15, 2010 @ 9:46 am
Oh, you again. You poor poor little person. I feel sorry for you, because you are so clueless. I hope someday you grow up. If you ever learned how to educate yourself, and seek the truth before you speak, you might make something of yourself someday. At least you have the passion to speak out. The only problem is, you speak of things you know nothing of. Little one, why do you think Hawaii is cooperating with this corruption? It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out. But, you have no idea, because you have never once researched the truth. Here is a tiny hint, if his records are sealed, which is illegal by the way, how does this one contravesial piece of paper magically exist in Hawaii for all the world to see… of course after the fact that he sealed all his records and paid millions to do so, and continues to hide the truth. Go play your video games, and I will email you when we have the proof you seek!
Comment posted February 15, 2010 @ 2:49 pm
The jig is up. Even Glenn Beck stated that the birth conspiracy theory is stupid. Or were you humming to yourself with your hands over your eyes. Honestly, I prefer to read. This allow me to think about what is being written and then do some independent research.
Comment posted February 15, 2010 @ 9:50 am
Type my tripe… Ha, Ha, Ha – the jokes on you my friend. Now pull up your big boy pants and go crying to your mama. Quit wasting intelligent persons time with such baby bawling.
Comment posted February 15, 2010 @ 3:07 pm
There is no reason to feel sorry for me.
Here is how I look at the facts.
If a person is born in Hawaii who issues a birth certificate?
- The state of Hawaii Department of Health.
Where does the Department of Health get the information for creating a birth certificate?
- They generally get that information from the hospital where the child was born, and they enter that information into their vital records.
Does the the Department of Health have safe guards to ensure that the information is valid?
- Yes. It is absolutely critical that they ensure that all records are valid. These records include things such as deaths and marriages which other jurisdictions require.
Is it possible for the state of Hawaii Department of Health to re-issue birth certificates and other documents?
- Yes. This is the main reason that they keep the originals.
Is there anything notorious of anyone getting an other copy of government documents?
- No. Documents age of the years. They can be damaged from moister or just regular year. It would be sad if a couple’s dog ate their marriage license and the couldn’t get another one.
Is it legal to forge government documents?
- Yes. It is a federal crime, and those who a suspected of engaging in that behavior are prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
Does government agencies restrict who can get access to an individuals records?
- Yes. There are many reasons for this. The most obvious is that the government keep records for a specific individual and only givens the information contained in those records to the same individual.
Honestly. It isn’t a complicated issue to understand.
Comment posted February 15, 2010 @ 10:10 am
Have you ever heard of the “straw man argument.” This is where you change a fact that is convenient to your argument, and attack that position. That is what your $2 millions argument is. You have no knowledge of the exact break down of the $2 million dollars and stop pretending that you do.
Comment posted February 15, 2010 @ 10:14 am
Yes birfers. I don't remember the exact reason why birthers are spelled birfers, but birfer is just more funny.
Comment posted February 15, 2010 @ 10:20 am
Here are your exact words. “Please, that fake birth certificate appeared after the 2 million dollars was spent to seal all of his records. If all of his records are sealed, than why not this too?”
Fake birth certificate is an utter lie, or are you really that stupid. It is against American federal law to fake birth records. Or are you just to ignorant to realize that.
Do you really honestly believe that the State of Hawaii wouldn't take legal action against a person in the possession of a forged government document. Are you really that moronic to believe that.
Or, it that you refuse to accept the fact that the State of Hawaii has actually confirmed that the document is authentic, and that the president is a natural born citizen.
Yes, on the issue of the presidents birth certificate you are a liar.
Comment posted February 15, 2010 @ 10:22 am
You only present lies, then pretend to be knowledge able. Stop making things up all you are proving is that you have nothing to do other than spread lies.
Comment posted February 15, 2010 @ 3:24 pm
Wow. You have no degree in law. Amazing and these aren’t really that of a complicated issues. You don’t need a degree.
Clap. Clap. Clap.
Comment posted February 15, 2010 @ 10:27 am
It isn't that complicated. You want to make it seems as though it is this deep complicated issue.
The State of Hawaii Department of Health through the office of the governor has stated they have Barack H. Obama's original birth records. That is it, less that 25 words.
Comment posted February 15, 2010 @ 10:30 am
The state of Hawaii Department of Heath through the governors office has state that they have seen the original birth records of Barack H. Obama, and that he is a natural-born citizen.
Anything, that suggest otherwise are smears. Nothing more nothing less.
Comment posted February 15, 2010 @ 10:34 am
I am a poor little person. You feel sorry for me. Trust me I don't feel sorry for. I don't even pity you.
Poor little baby can't accept the state of Hawaii at their word, nor the privacy laws of Hawaii.
Don't cry Obama can only do two terms as president.
Comment posted February 15, 2010 @ 10:36 am
It must be really hard to accept that as a person who has no legit rights to others peoples records. How do you sleep at night. Do you cry yourself to sleep just because the law restricts access to peoples personal records. Poor, little baby.
Comment posted February 15, 2010 @ 10:40 am
I can just seeing your throwing a tantra tum. Say “I can get access to Barack Obama's records. I have no relationship legal or family related, but I want to get access to them. Wa Wa Wa. The law says I can't, but I want to. Wa Wa Wa.”
Honestly just give it up.
Comment posted February 15, 2010 @ 12:07 pm
diana from missouri…….you're a birfer and we say birfer instead of birther because the word “birfer” makes fun of you folks who, yes, just can't accept that Black man, President Barack Obama, as President of the United States. It's really that simple. When you started talking about government entitlements and saying the birth certificarte has been proven to be a forgery, well, that's when we sane people stop listen and start making fun!!
Comment posted February 15, 2010 @ 12:11 pm
Anthony, you're right, diana is looking more silly by the minute…….I'm going to enjoy mocking her because it is an exercise in futility, I can see, to try to give her info. So far, she's spounted every birfer lie that's out there. The one those birfers love the most is the one where President Obama paid gagillions to hide everything and the second favorite is the one where his grandmother said he was born in Keyna……Birfers are entertaining as hell because the idea that they had a legitimate question wen tout the window with that forgery expert they put forth who won't tell his real name!!!!!!!!
Comment posted February 15, 2010 @ 5:17 pm
Everyone, diana is Orly!!!!!!! Read her posts……….it’s Orly…….and any minute now, she’s going to get moose and squirrel………..
Comment posted February 15, 2010 @ 5:17 pm
Everyone, diana is Orly!!!!!!! Read her posts……….it’s Orly…….and any minute now, she’s going to get moose and squirrel………..
Comment posted February 15, 2010 @ 5:21 pm
YOU LIE……with all those sentence fragments and that “Orly speak” in your posts, there is NO WAY you have a master’s degree…….or any degree…….in ANYTHING…….!! You sound like a person who just came along and is late to the birfer party so you are spouting long ago debunked birfer talking points. Go back to your birfer friends, get up to speed, and come back…..they are doing you a disservice by allowing you to come here and get laughed at like this.
Comment posted February 15, 2010 @ 5:21 pm
YOU LIE……with all those sentence fragments and that “Orly speak” in your posts, there is NO WAY you have a master’s degree…….or any degree…….in ANYTHING…….!! You sound like a person who just came along and is late to the birfer party so you are spouting long ago debunked birfer talking points. Go back to your birfer friends, get up to speed, and come back…..they are doing you a disservice by allowing you to come here and get laughed at like this.
Comment posted February 15, 2010 @ 5:24 pm
Why don’t YOU alert teh media to this truth that you are sure you have about the President??? Why don’t YOU call them, tell them the “truth” and see what happens. Then the quest will be over, so you say.
List diana, idiot, Orly, go back to looking for moose and squirell and leave us sane folks to ourselves……..
Comment posted February 15, 2010 @ 5:24 pm
Why don’t YOU alert teh media to this truth that you are sure you have about the President??? Why don’t YOU call them, tell them the “truth” and see what happens. Then the quest will be over, so you say.
List diana, idiot, Orly, go back to looking for moose and squirell and leave us sane folks to ourselves……..
Comment posted February 15, 2010 @ 12:28 pm
See……she finally spouted the grandmother said he was from Kenya birfer lie…….there is no 2 million spent…..second birfer lie………..
Comment posted February 15, 2010 @ 12:36 pm
But you, diana/orly, say that this all is so, so YOU must have seen those records of the saudi's paying for President Obama's education, right. You MUST have seen the records or else you couldn't say it so definitively………EVERYONE, diana is telling the lies one can tell on the internet…….she has a PhD when she can't even type it right, she has another degree is computer science or whatever…….SHE's a birfer and Anthony, I applaud your attempt at reason but really, diana from missouri is an idiot birfer and we just need to make fun of her from this point on………
Comment posted February 16, 2010 @ 7:46 am
Great snark, whoever you are. Now be a good little birther and go watch the Olympics, okay?
Comment posted February 16, 2010 @ 7:47 am
Interesting, that a self-proclaimed “intelligent person” has no idea how to use the possessive….
Comment posted February 16, 2010 @ 7:48 am
How did you get a Ph.D. in anything if you're such a poor writer and thinker? Or are you talking about one of those on-line diploma mills?
Comment posted February 16, 2010 @ 7:50 am
*Anthony* isn't seeking proof of anything, except possibly your committal papers.
Also, it's spelled “controversial,” not “contravesial.”
Ph.D. Right. *giggles*
Comment posted February 16, 2010 @ 12:51 pm
There is no such thing as a “Constitution…”agency in the American government. You are lying.
Comment posted February 16, 2010 @ 12:52 pm
Your writing is so poor that I question whether you graduated from community college, let alone a doctoral program in political science.
Comment posted February 16, 2010 @ 7:53 am
If Anthony is a waste of your time, then why are you bothering? You are wrong about the President and are only making a fool of yourself.
Comment posted February 16, 2010 @ 9:29 am
From which hole did you crawl out of and how do you now come to 2 million dollars being spent when it has already been answered by the justice department that Obama isn't spending 'millions of dollars' to hide anything?
Comment posted February 16, 2010 @ 9:31 am
Well, I can pretty much guess where you do your 'research'. Been getting too much of a dose of WND have we?
Comment posted February 16, 2010 @ 9:34 am
You have taken someone's opinion and believed it to be the truth.
Guess we could say the same about you? Hard to believe you have a masters in cs let alone a PhD in ps. More like a MBS (masters in bullshit).
Comment posted February 16, 2010 @ 3:46 pm
I am indifferent on her education level. It has absolutely no relevant to anything. People will use a piece of paper to indicate their superiority over others, but show utter ignorance on the simplest matter. A well sound argument is always important, and a lack of one casts serious doubts.
Comment posted February 16, 2010 @ 11:25 am
Show proof or STFU, deranged fool.
And read the transcript, birfer idiot. McRae is a con artist and Philip Berg bought into his con job. Here's why his stupidity was thrown out of court.
MCRAE: OK I’m sorry. I, I thought she said she was present when he was
born. I was—
TRANSLATOR OGOMBE (sounding exasperated): No, no! The, the
woman was not present. She was uh not, a what–you see, she was here in
Kenya, and Obama was born in America. That is, that’s obvious.
WOMAN'S VOICE (background): It was in Hawaii.
Do your own f$Cking research, dumbass.
Your birfer lies have been debunked ad nauseam but you will probably die the same bigoted, deranged idiot (or maybe worse) as you are now.
“Quit wasting intelligent persons time with such baby bawling.”
Pathetic idiot.
Comment posted February 16, 2010 @ 11:26 am
Prove the million dollar bullshit or STFU, idiot.
Comment posted February 16, 2010 @ 11:28 am
2 million? Your birfer buddies say 1 million. And 700,000. And 3 million. And 1 and a half million.
You're a fraud and a liar.
“You have taken someone's opinion and believed it to be the truth.”
And a hypocrite.
And you deserve derision for being such an obvious idiot.
Comment posted February 16, 2010 @ 11:31 am
GFY, self-righteous, paranoid birfer idiot. You're nothing more than a deranged, paranoid piece of shit with delusions of grandeur. And your puerile attempt at understanding U.S. law is particularly pathetic.
Here's a HUGE hint:
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/
Now screw yourself with it.
Comment posted February 16, 2010 @ 11:33 am
“You vocabulary is so limited you could only come up with this fowl verbage?”
Go look up “irony.”
Provide credible evidence of your paranoid, deranged ramblings or STFU.
Comment posted February 16, 2010 @ 11:35 am
“he paid 2 million dollars to make sure of that”
So, you've seen the law firm receipts?
“I doubt you know much of anything other than what someone has told you.”
You're an ENORMOUS, hypocritical ass.
Comment posted February 16, 2010 @ 11:38 am
His step-grandmother Sarah?
The full tape transcription makes clear that this phone conversation has not been represented accurately. There never was a statement by Sarah Obama at any point in this phone call saying or intending to say that Barack Obama Jr. was born in Kenya. Sarah Obama herself said that Obama was born in Hawaii and never said differently.
TRANSLATOR OGOMBE (to McRae): No! Obama was not born in Mombasa! He was born in America!
MCRAE: Wh-whereabouts, whereabouts was he born? I, I thought he was born in Kenya.
TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: No he was born in America, not in Mombasa.
MCRAE: OK. Do you know whereabouts he was born?
TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: (Pause.) Huh?
MCRAE: Do you know where he was born? I thought he was born in Kenya. I was gonna go by and see where he was born.
(two male voices in background in foreign language speaking at the same time. Mrs. Obama or another woman in background.)
VOICE (background): It was Hawaii.
VOICE OF MRS. OBAMA OR ANOTHER WOMAN (background): Hawaii.
BROTHER TOM (background): Hawaii, yeah?
VOICE OF MRS. OBAMA OR ANOTHER WOMAN (background): Yeah.
TRANSLATOR OGOMBE (background): Yes.
TRANSLATOR OGOMBE (to McRae): Sir, she says he was born in Hawaii.
MCRAE: OK.
TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: Yeah, in 1960 this was Hawaii, where his father, his father was also marrying there. This was Hawaii.
MCRAE: OK.
TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: Yeah.
MCRAE: Was, was, was Mrs. Obama, was sh–was she present? Was, was Mrs. Obama, see I thought you said she was present. Was she, was, was she, was she able to see him being, being born in, in Hawaii?
TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: (pause, silence) Hoh? (pause) Uh, yeah would you please pronounce?
MCRAE: OK I’m sorry. I, I thought she said she was present when he was born. I was—
TRANSLATOR OGOMBE (sounding exasperated): No, no! The, the woman was not present. She was uh not, a what–you see, she was here in Kenya, and Obama was born in America. That is, that’s obvious.
MCRAE: OK.
TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: Because, because the grandmother was married here in Kenya, and Obama was born in America, oh yeah, so his son, the little Obama, was marrying, was marrying, in America, in United States.
MCRAE: Oh, OK, fine. I mean, I–I just, I misunderstood what she was saying. I thought you said she was present when he was born.
TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: No, not present there. The present with me here was tonight. Not present so she can leave. No she was here in Kenya while he, uh, her son, the little Obama, was marrying in America. And, uh, he be present if it–
WOMAN'S VOICE (background): It was in Hawaii.
TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: –was in America there, why are they for, they go, they go, they go to some place, then the present isn't here sir, he was born there in America.
MCRAE: OK. Well tell, tell her I would like to come by and see her when I am there in December. I would love to, uh, meet her personally and pray with her.
You're a liar.
Comment posted February 16, 2010 @ 12:04 pm
And there is a very simple answer, diana, which is there IS NO KENYAN BIRTH CERTIFICATE THAT SAYS WHAT YOU WANT IT TO SAY…….you ask the question like the “when did you stop hitting your wife” question…you're assuming there IS a Kenyan birth certificate for President Obama and the man was born in Hawaii…….I know this because the state of Hawaii says so AND if you believe he was not born there, YOU, DIANA, HAVE TO PROVE IT……..just asking for shit doesn't work…….YOU HAVE TO PROVE YOUR ACCUSATION. Otherwise, the state of Hawaii's word stands…….end of story……dumn ass birfer!!
Comment posted February 16, 2010 @ 12:05 pm
Not Axj, she's definitely been in a hole because those birfer lies she spounting have been bunked forever……..
Comment posted February 16, 2010 @ 12:10 pm
name, the only true thing in your entire post is the word GUESS!!! Dumb ass birfer……..guess, speculate, wonder, hope, pray……the entire birfer bullshit crowd lives on this speculative bullshit……….
Comment posted February 16, 2010 @ 12:10 pm
It is more satisfying show birfer how silly they are than pointing them to the facts. We know they just ignore the facts.
Comment posted February 16, 2010 @ 7:26 pm
“All Americans have knowledge and know exactly 100% of the distribution of funds of the president, and all of those in public office. This information is displayed, and for that matter must be displayed for all Americans to see.”
That may be the dumbest bit of stupidity I’ve ever read on these threads. Well done, birfer fool.
Comment posted February 16, 2010 @ 7:28 pm
“Wow this website sure caters to the low lifes!”
You don’t need to make excuses for yourself, little fool.
Take your debate to your representative, silly, cowardly birfer idiot.
Comment posted February 17, 2010 @ 2:20 pm
I am sorry to tell you this, but birds do not speak in ways that humans understand. It is therefore impossible for any poster here to use “fowl verbiage.”
Comment posted February 17, 2010 @ 2:22 pm
The President produced his birth certificate. You are lying.
Comment posted February 17, 2010 @ 3:21 pm
And here she thought that she only fell down a rabbit hole.
Comment posted February 18, 2010 @ 5:01 pm
President Obama is a natural born citizen, as the State of Hawaii has confirmed. There is also ample corrobrating evidence of his birth in Hawaii. Since anyone born in the United States is a natural born citizen, this is a dead issue. The Republican Party knows this, which is why they are trying to distance themselves from the birthers.
There is not a single shred of evidence that the Saudi King or any other foreigners paid for President Obama’s education. He financed his education the way all young Americans do: parents, scholarships, grants, and loans. There is no proof of anything else.
And you should stop slandering the First Lady. There is not a single shred of evidence that she ever done anything illegal, immoral, or unethical in her entire life. She stopped practicing law of her own accord because she felt she wanted to do more meaningful work. One of the senior partners at her law firm stated that the firm was very sorry she left, and if she had stayed she would have easily made partner because they loved her work.
It’s really hard to believe that you have any high level of education attainment, since you so easily fall for any scurrillous accusation you come across. Well-eduated people are not usually so gullible.
Word of advice: if you are contacted by a Nigerian prince offering you a fortune in exchange for your checking account number, it’s a scam.
Comment posted February 18, 2010 @ 10:11 pm
Nobody except birthers has ever claimed that President Obama was born in Kenya. His grandmother certainly never did.
And this nonsense about the president spending $2 million (or whatever figure birthers claim this week) to “hide” his records is just as dumb. The president has actually spent very little money. After all, not a single judge has ruled against him.
But not to worry, nutty birthers. Our president will still watch out for you while you throw spitballs at him. He'll just keep presidenting.
Comment posted February 19, 2010 @ 4:54 am
I really don't know what birthers are attempting to claim.
The bases of the argument is that President Obama can't be a citizen by birth. Then they spread misinformation, distortions of facts, and logically inconsistent arguments. They make outlandish statements that makes it hard not to laugh at the the utter stupidity of them, or just be hash.
I really don't understand the reason that they are using the justice system to spread advance their idiocies. They have this idiotic belief that they can force the president to release any records.
There are absolutely nothing that support their position.
Comment posted February 19, 2010 @ 11:56 am
The deranged birfer idiots are 0 and 64 at last count.
A fine example:
http://www.newyorkslime.com/tea-party-racist-si…
These redneck fools are an embarrassment.
Comment posted February 19, 2010 @ 4:56 pm
The deranged birfer idiots are 0 and 64 at last count.
A fine example:
http://www.newyorkslime.com/tea-party-racist-si…
These redneck fools are an embarrassment.
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Comment posted June 23, 2010 @ 6:33 pm
I'm just saying, it is a simple question… May we see your Kenya Birth Certificate and end all this! Just show us your birth certificate already. Even your relatives claim he was born in Kenya. But by now, after having spent $2 million dollars to hide it, and having enough time to make up a fake one, we will probably never be able to prove it. Where are all these attorneys that were supposed to be on top of it? Like everything else, no one does anything.
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Comment posted July 19, 2010 @ 2:55 am
The 'White Trash' in the White House must provide the information required by the US Constitution. Too many questions unanswered by this sorry child in the White House.
Additionally, it's “birther” you ignoramus.
You are truly another stupid democrap a–hole.
Comment posted July 19, 2010 @ 5:01 pm
The reason no one does anything is because there's nothing TO DO, you dumb ass birfer………..there is no Kenyan birth certificate that says President Barrack Obama was born in Kenya. That's just birfer hope and prayer………….and they have been disappointed for years now, but still they straggle along and tug on various coattails, begging someone to listen to the same old birfer lie!!
If the relatives saying something and you saying that President Obama spent $2 million dollars was worth shit……but it isn't so……
Birfers were once entertaining…….now, they're just pathetic……….
Comment posted July 19, 2010 @ 5:04 pm
No, I said it right……it's birfer because you're a dumb ass birfer whose head explodes every time you see that gorgeous Black family in the White House.
Barrack Obama, President of the United States of America and his lovely wife, First Lady of the United States of America, Michelle Obama, along with their two beautiful daughters, Sasha and Malia, are doing great and are greatly loved by the country!!
…you birfers used to be entertaining……now you're just pathetic……..
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Nobody except birthers has ever claimed that President Obama was born in Kenya. His grandmother certainly never did.
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