Kucinich to Vote with Republicans on Health Care

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So, this means Rep. Dennis Kucinich is willing to let people go without any health insurance unless he gets his way. He gets his insurance while his constituents don't. Sounds like Animal Farm to me.

Germany and Switzerland survive quite well on a private insurer model for universal health care. While I personally prefer that the US have a single payer system like the system in place in each of Canada's provinces, I would much more rather have the German or Swiss system to nothing.

Let's get real. What we will have one day is a Medicare-type system one day in the US, where you have private insurers providing Medicare Advantage-type policies to us (and possibly without the basic Medicare system). Until then, we need something. Fast.

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Unfortunately, we won't be getting something resembling the Swiss or German model, either. And the Senate bill is far from universal coverage.
And, if you want an Animal Farm analogy, look no further than the Senate. Lieberman, Nelson, and Baucus certainly appear to be more equal than others, regardless of how few they actually represent.

Your analogy to Swiss and German plans is dubious. Their plans are not for profit. That will never happen here. The government has been officially corrupted. The congressmen on this issue are brave and happen to be right. Its Obama and his brand of corporate Democrats that are vile pernicious corrupted skunks.

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i am sorry bob, but the more information i get about the senate health insurance reform bill, the more i can't support it! with insurance rates rising by double digits each quarter since this debate began … this is government enforced health insurance provider welfare not a health care bill for the citizens of the usa. it only covers half to 2/3s those not covered today and does nothing to hold down costs and end the pharma public rip-off! dennis is one of but a handful of politicos with the courage to tell it like it is and to stand up and fight for 'we the people' and not 'we the corporations' period.

fortunately i'm in jpn now where costs are held down (and looks like i'll stay until usa gets real about national health care), copay is 1/3 with reimbursements after certain limits. private health insurance is for private rooms and those treatments not covered – like ceramic teeth. i've heard some criticize the quality of care compared to usa, but i gotta say, usa is not number 1 in much of anything anymore except its devotion and addiction to causes for wars.

every time we get close to single payer here in california arnold vetoes it. corporations rule this country now.

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The German and Swiss health systems consist of NON PROFIT and and heavily regulated insurance companies. That is NOT what the corporate whores in Congress (and the one in the White House) are trying to give to us.

With all due respect, this 'better than nothing' bill being pushed through is nothing like Germany or Switzerland. Yes, it's market-based, but it forces those who don't have insurance now to buy it, or be fined. Many don't have it since it is just too expensive. It does almost nothing to stop the rising costs.

Subsidies? Nice thought, but these fall short. It's actually worse than the plan in Mass when it comes to susbidies. Raising the Medicaid acceptance rate to 133% of poverty is nothing. The poverty rate is set too low anyway. The subsidy will then kick in. Great. But it cuts off too soon up the income chart.

Many housholds now struggling to pay the bills without paying for healthcare will be forced to buy it or fined by the F-ing IRS. They will barely make enough together to pay for their house (harder now with the forclosure situation) but make 'too much' to qualify for subsidies.

No mandate, no new middle class and working class taxes on benefits, and a full public option at Medicare plus 5, with FULL prevention of any pre-existing condition denial is the bare minimum for me. This bill isn't even close to that. And that bill isn't even close to the model in Germany or Switzerland.

Sweden has free-market care places & hospitals, but a public system. THAT is the model to follow. They rank among the best in the world in lifespan, health and quality of care. THAT is closest to the Kucinich model. Kucinich's plan is even better in that there are no copays, deductables or premiums.

Full dental, vision, chiro, and long term care coverage. And it costs 300-400 BILLION less than we pay right now for all the health plans. It's CONSERVATIVE in that manner. That much savings could mean a new middle class tax cut of 2000 or more per family per year.

The average US family paying 14 thousand a year for health care related expenses. Imagine 16 thousand in yearly savings for average families (more for some, less for others). Just imagine the stimulus to the economy. Incredible. The recession would end immediately after implementation.

This should be an easy sell to true conservatives. But fake conservatives who are based out of some misguided macho-patriotism, they can't stand the idea of any of their tax dollars helping anyone else who they don't know and want them helping.

Screw them. They have had a seat at the table with these damned globalist pyramid scheme insurers for too long. Kick them out. Give America what the majority wants (single-payer healthcare). That's populism. That makes sense.

You've got to fight that shit. There is a decent chance of getting this on the 2010 ballot.

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David, your simplistic “voting with Republicans” schtick is transparent — a lousy bill is a lousy bill, and the Senate bill is an embarrassment, both in policy and in politics. Spinning Kucinich's displeasure with it as siding with Republicans is a sham, and I won't insult your intelligence by assuming you actually believe it.

I'd already voted for Dennis in the Firedog poll. Now he's gonna vote with the Republicans on this… ugh…. I don't know, what's better getting a health care bill or getting nothing? Maybe Dennis is right.

Obama should have been leading on health care, not trusting it to Frick N Frack aka Pelosi and Reid. With Kennedy passing on, there's nobody in Congress who has got Obama's back. Medicare WORKS, we need to expand it into A PUBLIC OPTION.

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Kucinich: “Together with Representative John Conyers, I’ve led the effort on single-payer”

Kucinich should pick better friends. The reason Single Payer has failed is that one of its chief sponsors is Rep. John Conyers.

Remember when Conyers pretended to be for Impeachment of Bush and Cheney, but did nothing in the Judiciary Committee he chairs to support it?

Remember that impeachment activists brought Conyers a huge petition with the signatures of over 1,100.000 Voters wanting impeachment.

Conyers had over 40 of them arrested and Never Mentioned The Petition Again.

He Ignored 1,100,000 Voters but pretended to be their advocate. So I find it hard to believe Rep. Conyers was the best choice for getting Single Payer passed.

Or maybe that was the point. The Democratic leadership didn't want Single Payer passed so they made sure Conyers carried the ball.

And Kucinich says so very little about impeachment these days, even as Obama has mostly the same war on terror policies as Bush and Cheney and protects them from our Federal Laws against Torture.

Kind of makes you wonder if you should vote for any Democrat in November given how they have let the Left down.

Perhaps in the Fall we should just tear up our ballots and mail the pieces to our Democratic Congressman?

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What some consider intransigence is what others call leadership, dedication to principle, faithful to needs of constituents. You mourn the loss of John Murtha. Did you think his stepping out to oppose the war in Iraq was intransigence? I'm glad that it's not only the Blue Dog Democrats who can be intransigent and thus move the debate and the legislation to their position.

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Good for him! The Democratic plan is a JOKE.

I support Kucinich's decision to oppose this ridiculous embarrassment of a bill. It does very very little to improve conditions and in many cases makes things worse. We gave them a chance to bring real change, dramatic change, and they have squandered it with baby steps and pointless compromises. It has only resulted in a loss of support. Scrap these bills and start over with something that will help the people, not add more customer's to a pointless industry made up of thieves.

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I completely agree with everything Kucinich says in the email. I wish we had more politicians with BALLS. Personally, I'm disgusted with both parties' clowns and will highly favor voting for any independents, and/or anyone not currently in office. I've always thought Ron Paul to be the only sane person on the hill.

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What we don't need is a mandatory bail-out of bankrupt health insurance companies; caused by these same companies involved in derivative trading/casino banking. By forcing people to buy health care they cannot afford from unregulated private insurance companies, or face fines and jail time if they don't, is criminal.

What we don't need is a mandatory bail-out of bankrupt health insurance companies; caused by these same companies involved in derivative trading/casino banking. By forcing people to buy health care they cannot afford from unregulated private insurance companies, or face fines and jail time if they don't, is criminal.

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