The Tea Party Goes After Ron Paul

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Monday, February 08, 2010 at 12:50 pm

His son Rand’s campaign for Senate in Kentucky is going better than anyone could have expected — every Kentuckian I met at the National Tea Party Convention backed him — but Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) is drawing three primary opponents for his own re-election bid. Ironically, all three are from the Tea Party movement, which, as reporter Tom Benning points out, would be hard to imagine without the energy stirred up by Paul’s 2008 presidential bid.

Tea Party associations aside, many of the challengers’ criticisms echo concerns of Paul’s past opponents: that he is too focused on his national ambitions; that his views are too extreme; that he doesn’t support the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan; that he votes “no” on everything, including federal aid for his district after Hurricane Ike.

“The word I keep hearing is ‘ineffective,’ ” said [challenger John] Gay, a school business administrator. “This district is not really being represented as it could be.”

The criticism is, to say the least, ironic. Almost nothing that Paul does cuts against the rhetoric of the Tea Party movement that is mentioned most in the press: responsible spending and adherence to the Constitution. But some of it does cut against the priorities of national security conservatives and partisan Republicans.

There is one thing Paul does that might backfire. While Paul votes against basically all spending bills, he notoriously gets earmark requests into those bills, so that local projects survive when other members vote those bills through. That barely dinged Paul in 2008, but it may become an issue now.

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teaBagThis
Comment posted February 8, 2010 @ 1:12 pm

Dr Paul was the inspiration for the original Tea Party,… these faux tea-baggers and poorly disguised Neo-Cons aren't fooling anyone.

BTW, ear-marks does NOT affect spending ONE BIT! If you eliminated ALL the earmarks, the budget does not decrease by ONE RED CENT!!! Money not appropriated by Congress (earmarks) becomes discretionary spending for the executive! At least there's transparency in earmarks.


David Weigel
Comment posted February 8, 2010 @ 1:33 pm

The argument some libertarians made against Paul in 2008 was that he shouldn't have requested any, out of principle. Certainly he doesn't run on having requested them.


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chrisjay
Comment posted February 8, 2010 @ 2:18 pm

well, be sure & let us know when you've worked out amongst yourselves who's the real teabaggers & who's the posers—– then put together a chart to help us tell you apart


Name
Comment posted February 8, 2010 @ 2:43 pm

You say Paul's earmarks may come back to haunt him. But the complaint of opponent John Gay, in your excerpt, is that Paul doesn't bring home the big bucks for the district. Of course, there might be voters on both sides of that issue, both of them ticked at Paul.


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Travis
Comment posted February 8, 2010 @ 3:51 pm

What a surprise this article comes from former Reason minion, David Weigel. The establishment has trained you well eh, David?

Why not mention that earmarks only account for 1% of the federal budget. Why not–'libertarian' that you are–mention that earmarks at least get tax money back into local economies? Why not say that 100% of tax money be earmarked? I'll tell you why: you're a duplicitous shill.


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Comment posted February 8, 2010 @ 4:26 pm

The Tea Party is delusional. Finer points of their delusions discussed here: http://theparkinglotfields.com


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karmalight
Comment posted February 8, 2010 @ 5:01 pm

Just a Glen Beck Fox news sarah pailin rouse- totally planned and very transparent to all of us.

Nice try what's this the forth article from another dying news paper, or should I say…a Corporate controlled rag


teaBagThis
Comment posted February 8, 2010 @ 5:02 pm

Dr Paul is absolutely true to principle. It is you self proclaimed “libertarians” who either lack or don't understand the principle.

He likens it to tax credits. He is against the income tax and pretty much all taxes in general, so he urges people to maximize whatever tax credit available to them. Similarly, if Congress is going to approve unconstitutional astronomical deficit budgets that he voted against, then he wants to take as much from the hands of the corrupt muderous state as he can and return it back to the people of his district. Whereas you faux libertarians would rather that all monies go straight to the executive to fund whatever mischief they like in secrecy.

Sure, he doesn't run on them because the media and people like you distort the idea of earmarks. There is transparency in earmarks. Dr Paul has even said he'd preferred that 100% of the budget be earmarked. That way the people would know where ALL their money is being spent, including payoffs for dictators, arms smuggling, drug trafficking, assassinations, indiscriminate killings and all the other wonderful things the state does on our behalf.

BTW, just calling yourself a libertarian doesn't make you one. A man is judged by his deeds not his claims.


Getusoutoftheun
Comment posted February 8, 2010 @ 5:33 pm

The Boston Tea Party started because people started a “Tax Revolt”. If you want a true “Tax Revolt” you have to stop spending and taxing. Americans are sick of paying half of their hard earned wages to the government so they can send drones in to kill innocent people and blow up bridges around the world. We do not need any more Gay, Bush, neocons.
Ron Paul rEVOLution.


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John
Comment posted February 8, 2010 @ 6:17 pm

How do they complain about him not bringing back money, and then criticize him for…bringing back money?

Sure, the earmarking/pork process is corrupt, but it's hardly better than never returning tax money to taxpayers, or giving unappropriated money to the executive branch.


John
Comment posted February 8, 2010 @ 6:17 pm

*Hardly worse.


gadsdengurl
Comment posted February 8, 2010 @ 6:29 pm

These people have no cred and are NOT 'tea party' candidates by any means.

Ron Paul votes AGAINST the practice of earmarks, but it that fails, why should he not take the money back for his district?

Those people do not stand a chance. Ron Paul IS the tea party candidate.
He is the original tea partier.


gadsdengurl
Comment posted February 8, 2010 @ 6:32 pm

And he also forgot to mention Paul votes AGAINST the practice of earmarks. But if that doesn't work, why should he let everyone else take the money for their districts and he not take his? After all his people paid it in too!

He would like to get rid of the practice altogether…. and that is well known.


gadsdengurl
Comment posted February 8, 2010 @ 6:36 pm

Paul had a person try to oust him last time, a fake republican and he still won with 70% so I doubt these folks who can't raise money will do it. Ron has raised over a million already.


Joe Robertson
Comment posted February 8, 2010 @ 7:39 pm

From the Doctor's mouth… “the Principle of Earmarking”

“Because it is the responsibility of the Congress to earmark. That’s our job. We’re supposed to tell the people how we’re spending the money.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoOX9p07xOk

Guess it helps to understand what is going on… All of these huge monies that get approved without any specified use are dangerous. Leaves it to the unelected bureaucrats to do as they please like the $800bn stimulus.

Earmarks are a political hot button that the mindless foxnews zombies respond to. a Pavlov dog kinda thing… need to get a little space between the stimuli (boob tube) and neurons to stop the misfiring.


jeff_tomerson
Comment posted February 8, 2010 @ 7:53 pm

Heir Weigel, if you followed Dr. Paul for going on four decades, your seeming confusion, or perhaps your slant to confuse would ring simple and clear. He votes against the unconstitutionally crafted legislation. If more of the 535 took seriously the oath of office they were sworn to and adhered to the principles outlined in the U.S. Constitution, Paul's would be most often in the majority vote.

I will keep it simple for you. The government takes more and more of the fruits of your labor than they need to or are entitled to. Earmarks are the political tool designed in the big government game to return that money back to the people from which it was taken. Hence, Paul follows the principle of law, and votes against the unConstitutional legislation and places the requisite attachments to the legislation to have the peoples money returned to them when the spineless members of both houses of Congress pass every money spending scheme that comes before them.

I understand having a member of Congress in your presence with high principles, unimpeachable integrity and character forged in the spirit of the Founding generation is annoying to the majority of members who lack those characteristics. Attemps to coopt the real Tea Party will always fail.


Name
Comment posted February 8, 2010 @ 8:15 pm

David is a joke! He has almost always shows a bias against Paul…I wish this guy would just go away…


joezmanning
Comment posted February 8, 2010 @ 8:36 pm

Oh the irony of the Republican establishment. Ron Paul started the Tea Parties and the Neo-cons are using it as a political tool now. Sad.


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iloveronpaul
Comment posted February 8, 2010 @ 9:32 pm

The tea party is supposed to be about:

Abolishing the income tax.
Auditing the Federal Reserve Bank
Stopping deficit spending on undeclared preemptive wars.


iloveronpaul
Comment posted February 8, 2010 @ 9:34 pm

The tea party is supposed to be about:

Abolishing the income tax.
Auditing the Federal Reserve Bank
Stopping deficit spending on undeclared preemptive wars.


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Joan Solms
Comment posted February 8, 2010 @ 10:48 pm

I have been in politics for 40 years. I listened to the Teap Party Convention on TV. I liked Joseph Farah's speech. It had meat and potatoes in it. Sarah Palin gave a stump speech. To beginners it was rousing, but not to me. The only thing of substance was her call for drilling oil in the USA. Listening to the panelist speak, I felt I was reliving the foundation of the Right to Life movement. Taoo organized, too much detail, with little direction or solution to the problems being given. They really did not address the real enemy or give creative solutions. They won't last.
One panelist mentioned the lack of young people attending the rallies. DUH. She obviously did not observe the Ron Paul rallies and understand one of the major issues that Paul addressed that the young want to hear.
AN END TO THE WARS.
The Tea Party movement will not last. Sarah Palin is already too heavioly tied into the REpublican Party. Supporting Perry for reelection and McCain showed who has gotten to her.
Ending the war is still a big issue with both parites of young people. I hope Paul pushes it.
js


Wes
Comment posted February 8, 2010 @ 11:08 pm

I'm no federal earmark expert, but this is how I understand the issue. A bulk sum is allotted for earmarks or subsides. It is on this crucial money vote Paul always votes no.

That said when the money is inevitably approved Paul places earmarks in the bill for his district. Why? The money will be spent anyway and his constituents are fitting the bill so deserve a slice.

In other words the horses are already out of the barn by the time the earmarks come up.


trentemberson
Comment posted February 9, 2010 @ 1:57 am

How is the author of “End the Fed” going to lose a reelection as the only popular/populist incumbent in Congress in the midst of the currency crisis he's predicted for 40 years? The Tea Parties would cease to be credible if they weren't head over heels for Ron Paul. The currency markets are going to decide our next elections. As low as the dollar goes is as high as national heroes like Paul can go.


alanlarge
Comment posted February 9, 2010 @ 2:17 am

Earmarks, BFD. How much money has been spent on these two stupid wars in Iraq and Afghanistan? First it was for WMD, then for Democracy, now “It is for the Troops”. What nonsense. Rep. Ron Paul is the ONLY viable, credible and honest candidate since, probably Ross Perot. By the way, I voted for President Obama. Afghanistan is IMPOSSIBLE and Iraq is CORRUPT. How many years will “For thew Troops” last?
Warmongers in costume as Tea Party IDIOTS.


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Comment posted February 9, 2010 @ 12:30 pm

NOT Tea Party!
AIPAC Neocons once again target & try to “Primary” those they can't extort, blackmail, or bribe.

ie Dr Ron, Dennis Kucinich, Marcy Kaptur, Alan Grayson, (Debra Medina)

Meanwhile Uncle Tom will have the RNC back in full control by 2012


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TheMightyJobu
Comment posted February 10, 2010 @ 11:50 am

I'm not surprised. The Faux-News-led “Tea Parties” were designed to destroy the credibility of the fiscal-responsibility movement by bringing in birthers, global-warming and moon-landing deniers, and sundry other nut jobs. Ron Paul's supporters garnered respect from the real news media; the phonies are treated with the contempt that they deserve. Unfortunately, they're dragging fiscal responsibility down with them.


andysolo
Comment posted February 10, 2010 @ 2:16 pm

The “tea party” movement has pretty distinctive and valuable roots. Income tax, FRS and Foreign Policies, etc. What is going on is, as you all observe, that our elite is trying to diminish values of such movement by injecting into the frontlines some pretty obscured or provocative political figurines.
That is their strategy (or as former President once says: stratigury) to destroy the solid platform for unity.
We just needs to be calm and follow those great guys: Ron Paul, Kuscinich, Nader and their supporters. It would be even more beneficial for the country if these fellows come to some unity or team and lead the Tea Party in its purest intention.


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David Macko
Comment posted February 12, 2010 @ 10:11 am

Ron Paul is the greatest living American statesman. Millions of constitutionalists, libertarians and other patriots support him and his efforts to restore our liberty.
His three opponents appear to be neocon upstarts who are also trying to sabotage and destroy the Tea Party movement and the general repulsion against big, unconstitutional, meddling government which Dr. Paul has staunchly opposed for decades.

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Dan
Comment posted February 12, 2010 @ 6:48 pm

The tea parties are just people who are angry that they lost an election, and NOW are organized by the same bank robbers and corporate lobbyists who robbed them to begin with.

They had NO problem with the spending for last eight years….just the guy who comes into fix it??


RedGraham
Comment posted February 13, 2010 @ 2:45 am

This past weekend in Nashville, at the first National Tea Party Convention, the Beltway press ignored Sarah Palin's keynote address, followed a prime-time speech by “birther” Joseph Farah, who over the years has carved out a unique corner of the right-wing blogosphere. Because, yes, at the Tea Party convention, Farah, a proud Muslim-hater and gay-hater, received a standing ovation from the conservative crowd after he presented his birther evidence/theory that Obama is not a naturl-born citizen. Farah bragged in the weeks leading up to the event about his chance to share the stage with Sarah Palin, to associate with her. “Sold out! Palin-Farah ticket rocks tea-party convention,” read the headline at WorldNetDaily.
Worst of all, though, the mainstream press played dumb about the whole thing.
Fact: Virtually nobody in the corporate media said boo about Palin helping to legitimize the birther-movement by sharing the same stage with Farah. She was given a total free ride. Perhaps if the mainstream media continue to ignore likely future President Palin and the birthers they will fade away.


stevestephan
Comment posted February 13, 2010 @ 9:09 pm

If he is so fiscally conservative then why add to the debt with additional self-interest pet projects that will be filled with temp workers? Doesn't make any sense and makes him a incumbent hypocrite ready to cast the first stone in spite of his own sins.


jimmy
Comment posted February 14, 2010 @ 2:30 pm

This isn't true at all. The Tea partiers were 100% just as angry and opposed to Bush and the out of control, irresponsible GOP- the movement goes back to 2007 when bush was still in office. Except now the tea party movement has begun to be completely infiltrated and co-opted by the corrupt GOP and all their cronies. Unless the REAL tea partiers stand up and take it back from the Palins and Glenn Becks and Ginrgrichs, the whole movement will become a 100% complete GOP scum “business as usual” promotional tool. It already almost is.

And your characterizing Obama as the guy “who comes in to fix all that spending” is the funniest thing I've ever read. You mean Obama who's spent even more recklessly than Bush (who was an economic joke himself), Obama who's spent more, in fact, than any President in our entire history? Funny way to “fix all that spending” with twice as much irresponsible, Dan. Your naive, partisan Obama worship/GOP hatred has blinded you to some pretty obvious truths- the first of which is that Obama didn't come in to “change” anything. All he's done is double-down on all of the worst aspects of Bush the Terrible- more war, more surveillance, more spending, more big government, more debt, more secrecy, more lobbyists, more back room deals, more unaccountable concentration of power into the executive branch, more lies, more bailouts for more billionaires who contribute to him. Open your eyes, Dan. Obama = Bush. Open your eyes, tea partiy zombies. Palin = Dog poop.


Dan
Comment posted February 14, 2010 @ 7:06 pm

“This isn't true at all. The Tea partiers were 100% just as angry and opposed to Bush and the out of control”

………………………

We saw no evidence of that.

I suspect if it were McCain and Palin doing the spending on CORPORATE interests, we would never have heard of them.

As Reagan's economic advisor Bruce Bartlett said,

“I think conservative anger is misplaced. To a large extent, Obama is only cleaning up messes created by Bush.”

When someone totaled your car, you have to spend money to repair it.

Seems the right never has a problem with BIG government and BIG spending as long as it goes to BIG corporations.

I AM disappointed in Obama:
I thought we elected FDR, not Reagan.

I just think the Tea party people are dupes of the corporations who are organizing them.


jimmy
Comment posted February 14, 2010 @ 7:29 pm

You say ” We saw no evidence of that”. Well, I'm sorry if you haven't been paying very good attention. I guess you've only followed it for the last year, when the mainstream media finally started picking up on it. But the movement has been around since 2007 (when Ron Paul was their hero), and I've been following it very closely since. And it's only in this last year that it's become co-opted into the big scum sucking GOP machine.

The analogy “you have to spend money to repair the damage” is absurb. The economic damage WAS money being spent, and so spending even more won't fix it. Especially on Bush style bailouts and “stimulus” nonsense.

“I think conservative anger is misplaced. To a large extent, Obama is only cleaning up messes created by Bush.”

Again, this is completely absurd. You can't clean up Bush's messes by doing the EXACT same thing as Bush. You can't fix deficit spending with even MORE deficit spending. You can't fix undeclared war with even MORE undeclared war. You can't fix secret meetings, back room deals, etc, etc. with even more of them. What about all those “too big to fail” companies? Well, Obama made them even bigger. How do you fix Bush's idiocy with double the idiocy?

“I just think the Tea party people are dupes of the corporations who are organizing them.”

Mm, it's kind of 50/50. The tea parties two years ago were all spontaneously organized by educated, independent citizens. Now that the movement is being co-opted by the very corrupt establishment it originally opposed, it's increasingly getting to be a phony corporation sponsored arm of the GOP machine. We'll see what happens. Will the GOP be able to totally hijack the movement? Or will it spilt between the original tea partiers and the neo-con phonies? Dunno. We'll see.


Dan
Comment posted February 14, 2010 @ 8:32 pm

I don’t consider the Ron Paul people the same as the teaparty people, the tea party people seem to be 100% with the neocons in spending on war.

No one was in the street with 'Bush as Hitler' signs, is my main point.

Obama is NOT doing what Bush did.

Bush redistributed wealth from the bottom and middle up.

Obama is at least trying to invest in America.

While I am probably against the war in Afghanistan, Obama did NOT start it, and I don’t know if we can just dump those people like we did in the 80s.

Obama is not 100% transparent, but I think he has done better, and I think it IS the attempts at bi partisanship that ARE gumming everything up.

I wish he actually would earn some of the “socialist” accusations.

As For;
“What about all those “too big to fail”
He does need to break them up….again in spite of being called a Marxist for not regulating them.

My biggest problem with the teapartys now is that they seem to be advocating for the corporate tax cuts that the original Tea Partyers were protesting.

Perhaps if they were serious, they would be protesting government subsidies to Wal Mart, like the originals protested government subsidies to the East India Tea Company.

Right now, they just seem like the Obama haters at the Palin rallyies, yelling “terrorist!, Marxist!”


jimmy
Comment posted February 14, 2010 @ 9:11 pm

“I don’t consider the Ron Paul people the same as the teaparty people, the tea party people seem to be 100% with the neocons in spending on war.”

Like I said, it's about 50/50. The Ron Paul people are the original tea partiers. And the other 50% are the Palin-esque neo-cons that have joined in the last year and are hijacking the movement for GOP scum business as usual. We'll see how it all breaks apart, as these two groups can't stand each other.

Obama is doing EXACTLY what Bush did. Tell me what's different exactly? (and don't give me slogans, please mention specific bills, programs, and proposals). Both are moving America's wealth from the middle class to upper existing power structures. How much taxpayer money will Obama funnel to Goldman Sacks and JP Morgan? How much will be funneled from the poor via inflation due to all his out on control spending? Did you even bother learning about Obama's sordid career in Illinois before voting for him? His whole career has been nothing but corruption and special interest favors from day one.

“Invest in America”? Ho ho ho. Dan, get off the Obama Cool-aid. Obama is the same as Bush. Investing in more war? Investing in more nukes? Investing in Goldman Sacks and JP Morgan? What a great “investment plan”! Let's get the public into trillions and trillions of dollars of debt, and give the money to corrupt mega-banks, war, inefficient bureaucracies, and special interests!

You're right- Obama didn't start the wars. He just voted for their funding as senator, kept Bush's criminal war cabinet, and is now escalating the wars while talking about new wars with Iran, Yemen, and Pakistan. Obama works for America's war industry same as Bush.

As unbelievable as it seems, Obama is actually less transparent than the horror show of Bush/Cheney. He has done worse. Not better. This after promising “the most transparent administration in history”. What a joke. How could you think otherwise? I guess you must really want to believe. Sorry, but it's time for a reality check.

Let it go, Dan. Obama = Bush. Just admit you were fooled and move on. It's ok, man. We've all been fooled at some point. The sooner we see that this whole “left wing/right wing” paradigm is a smoke screen and that both parties essentially do 99% the same things, the sooner we can get start casting votes for people who will make a REAL change.


jenniewalsh
Comment posted February 17, 2010 @ 7:39 pm

America's enemies have infiltrated the tea party with their divide and conquer and confusion tactics. These individuals are very deceitful and very treacherous. They are definitely wolves in sheep's clothing, pretending to be patriots when they are actually determined to undermine and destroy anything that has to do with individual liberties and the free economy. They use very subtle tactics, like calling Ron Paul “ineffective”.


jenniewalsh
Comment posted February 18, 2010 @ 12:39 am

America's enemies have infiltrated the tea party with their divide and conquer and confusion tactics. These individuals are very deceitful and very treacherous. They are definitely wolves in sheep's clothing, pretending to be patriots when they are actually determined to undermine and destroy anything that has to do with individual liberties and the free economy. They use very subtle tactics, like calling Ron Paul “ineffective”.


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Comment posted September 7, 2011 @ 12:57 pm

255517 beers on the wall. sck was here


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