Did Firedoglake Take Out Vic Snyder?

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Friday, January 15, 2010 at 6:34 pm

Rep. Vic Snyder (D-Ark.) announced his retirement today, mixed–but mostly dire–news for Democrats, who were hopeful that he could hold on and defeat his likely, scandal-tainted GOP opponent Tim Griffin. One of the possible reasons for the retirement? A poll conducted by SurveyUSA, paid for by the progressive blog Firedoglake, which tested negative messages about the health care reform bill and whether it made voters sour on Snyder. A sample question:

Under one proposal, if a person does not carry health insurance from a private insurance company, they would be fined up to 2% of their income. Is this fair, or unfair?

The poll found that Snyder, already losing badly to Griffin, was four points further behind if he backed the bill.

The question, raised by Nate Silver and others: Is Firedoglake trying to scare vulnerable Democrats into retirement in order to kill health care reform? All indications point to “yes.” I’m hearing that FDL will conduct more polls in vulnerable Democratic districts, based largely on this chart of the “top 20 Democrats who could lose their seat over health care vote[s]. Snyder was at the top of that list, posted by FDL’s Jane Hamsher on Jan. 6. (One irony: Snyder is a fairly progressive member of Congress, and not a member of the Blue Dogs.)

Tension between FDL and some other progressive sites has increased since the Senate’s health care compromise took shape–Hamsher has campaigned aggressively to “kill the bill.” A month ago she predicted that “left/right populist outrage” would do so, and she hasn’t slowed down since.

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NRafter530
Comment posted January 15, 2010 @ 6:53 pm

It's comforting to know that after this year, these screwballs will NEVER see one iota of their agenda enacted…even though it's also my agenda.

Embarassing, but they deserve it.


Brien Jackson
Comment posted January 15, 2010 @ 7:01 pm

So, if I'm following this through, that would make Mary Jo Kilroy her next target. Kilroy is running against Steve Stivers…a former bank lobbyist. So I'm to take it that Jane Hamsher is looking to help a longtime bank lobbyist get elected to Congress…in the name of “left/right populism.”

Ego FAIL.


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EveryManAKing
Comment posted January 15, 2010 @ 9:04 pm

Don't you think Snyder had polls of his own? And do you really think he made that hasty a decision?


Carlos
Comment posted January 15, 2010 @ 9:26 pm

Taking it out on FireDogLake? What nonsense. If a couple of bad polls numbers 10 months out are enough to force a guy to retire then he was weak to begin with. FDL did Democrats a favor.


Swami_Binkinanda
Comment posted January 15, 2010 @ 9:37 pm

Firedoglake has distinguished itself by sticking to its principles, which apparently is more than any other blog or political party seems willing to even attempt. Vertebrate envy rears its gelatinous amoebic head!


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Comment posted January 15, 2010 @ 10:15 pm

Spot on. Thanks


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kmansfield
Comment posted January 16, 2010 @ 12:11 am

A pol is not an attempt to “take out” a weak democrat, and a list is merely information that is helpful to understand the map.
Ironically, Nate Silver's is the attack. It's an above the belt shot by him, doing exactly what he is accusing her of. Perhaps he's doing a personal favor in order to retain his white house access and funding. He's made a name for himself for his numbers, not his political astuteness. He's compromised and shouldn't be trusted on the his political commentary.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0409/Com…
http://firedoglake.com/2009/04/08/white-house-m…


kmansfield
Comment posted January 16, 2010 @ 12:21 am

Are you, David Weigel, part of the common purpose project or white house talking point distribution meetings?
You took Silver's title and ran with it.
Did you add to the story or shore up points? And who are the “others”?
Shameful and lazy journalism on this hit piece.


deaniac83
Comment posted January 16, 2010 @ 2:41 am

David,

I do have a problem with your article. It's with you calling Firedoglake a “progressive” blog. It is nothing of the sort. It's a lunatic coo-coo place driven by a vandeta against a progressive president.


kmansfield
Comment posted January 16, 2010 @ 7:49 am

Do you have proof of those accusations, or are you just fond of the status quo?


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angryliberal0
Comment posted January 16, 2010 @ 9:30 am

Spot On Dave. They have some weird scorched earth policy at FDL to commit political suicide. I don't get it…


AngryLiberal
Comment posted January 16, 2010 @ 9:37 am

It is embarrassing isn't it. Damn, one chance to get it and they throw it away, oh well, what can we do?


RhymesWithRight
Comment posted January 16, 2010 @ 10:35 am

Given that polling data indicates that the American people are against this legislation, why on earth would anyone who claimed to be “for the people” support it? Unless, of course, you are operating from the elitist premise that the elite know better than the people, and that the people should just sit back, shut up, and let their betters decide what's best for them.


RhymesWithRight
Comment posted January 16, 2010 @ 10:36 am

“lunatic coo-coo place” could describe Kos, and DU as well.


RhymesWithRight
Comment posted January 16, 2010 @ 10:43 am

The reality is that there are a whole bunch of weak Democrats who were elected based entirely on Obama's coattails. Indeed, the American people are beginning to wake up and recognize that one of the key GOP talking points of 2008 was absolutely correct — Barack Obama is inexperienced and more “smoke and mirrors” than substance. He won in 2004 only because of a major GOP meltdown in Illinois, and was promoted by many on the Left (both in the political class and the media) because he made for a good picture and story line, not because he was a serious leader.

Would there be health care legislation passing if Hillary had won? Quite possibly. And if McCain had won, the Democrats would not be facing the loss of one or both houses of Congress, and would instead be looking at the probability of being able to pass such legislation over a presidential veto — if not in 2010, then in 2011 after being able to run against what would be the McCain economy rather than the Obama economy.

In short, Barack Obama is beginning to look like a bigger disaster than Jimmy carter — and is becoming the “gift that keeps on giving” to the GOP.


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glasnost
Comment posted January 16, 2010 @ 11:36 am

This is the silliest piece of fantasy I ever heard of. Hey, dumbass, you admit in your own first paragraph that a bunch of our current majorities were elected on OBAMA'S COAT TAILS. So if McCain won, we obviously wouldn't have won as many seats as we have in the first place. And if McCain won, Democrats would have done what they did in 2000 – assume republicans policies are popular and passed, oh i don't know, some tax cuts and gutted some more social spending, in a bipartisan manner, with president McCain.

….. and then we'd get 67 Democrats in 2010 to override a veto! and a pony! [sarcasm]. We'd pick up 16 seats this cycle! Our control of both houses of congress during an even worse recession, following two years of dumb-as-shit policies and/or total gridlock, would then allow us to run against “the McCain economy!” wheee!

You're a fool, and so is your entire cohort.


RhymesWithRight
Comment posted January 16, 2010 @ 12:03 pm

My point is that there would still have been Dem majorities after 2008, just not as big as they were. And a minscule McCain victory (which Dems would have written off to “racist Americans refusing to vote for even a light-skinned Negro who didn't speak in a Negro dialect”) would have led to serious Democrat opposition to McCai's policies and McCain's compromise instinct kicking in. Imagine what the Dems did to Bush in 1991. The result? Dems pick up 4 or 5 Senate seats and 25-30 House seats to get a veto-proof majority that let's them impose their will on the McCain/Palin administration.

Bu tmore likely would have ben a Hillary win in 2008, giving the Dems a leader who could accomplish something rather than an empty suit with a teleprompter.


tnazar
Comment posted January 16, 2010 @ 12:35 pm

In short, she cares more about being “right” than the lives tat would be saved by access to health care. Maybe she can get a job writing scripts for Limbaugh.


tnazar
Comment posted January 16, 2010 @ 12:37 pm

I see the Freepers are visiting


JRBehrman
Comment posted January 16, 2010 @ 1:07 pm

FDL/Hamsher have been very straightforward, deliberative, and open in support for health care reform as distinct from corrupt, secretive, and complex wheeling and dealing of the DSCC/DCCC with PhRMA and AHIP, so called health insurance reform.

The latter, an insult to sausage-makers everywhere, was and is just make-work, if not a windfall, for all those “Democratic lobbyists” who cashed-in and “Democratic officials” who cashed-out after 2006. Their paradigm of politics and government under Clinton, then Frost, then Emanuel, has been a “permanent” media campaign and collusive bargaining in the lobby between “liberal” Democrats and “moderate” Republicans.

There has been no serious deliberation at all of any policy at all but the “necessary war” in Afghanistan and that was, necessarily, at least semi-secret. Everything else has been entrusted to people who are supposed to know what they are doing but do not, in fact.

That has been a parody, really, of what had been long-standing coalitions before that, especially in the ex-Confederate states, between “conservative” Democrats and “moderate” Republicans.

In fact, this is all the parties' Washington establishments knowshow to do — with the Democrats being more proficient at something that just does not work anymore for a variety of economic, technological, and historical reasons.

It is not Obama's “inexperience” that is the problem here, it is the “black box” and, above all, the “black budget” Washington establishment's now obsolete experience with (1) managing the Jim Crow coalition between 1876 and 1916, and (2) the anglophile “national security state” over the course of the Great, World, and Cold Wars. That is their vaunted “expertise”.

These law review geniuses think that the military institutions of the British Empire can be reconciled with the constitution of a republican democracy. For all their parochial anglophilia, they do not understand principles of parliamentary law or responsible, two-party government. And, they really do think the internet is a “series of tubes”, hence, their ignorance of or utter contempt for common carriage principles of admiralty law.

Today, both Washington-centric party establishments have little or no credibility in the country or the world. The result is paranoia on the right, bitterness on the left, and a mix of cowardice and confusion in the “soft” middle as all these resume-padding opportunists try to maintain the notion that they know what they are doing and nobody else does — the core tenent of “collusive bargaining” theory and practice.

However, President Obama has a circle of trusted military and civilian advisors on his national security council. His priorities seem to be — and should be — the constitution, the war, and the economy in that order. That is not the liberal laundry list, thank God, and it does resonate with the people who have every reason not to trust broken government or the manifestly unpatriotic Anglo-American overclass that has set itself above them and everything.

Moreover, priorities mean that, yes, there has been nothing but temporizing on the economy for a year now, while more urgent matters are dealt with by much more competent and trustworthy figures than the almost comical Bernanke, Summers, and Geithner.

The betrayal of an electoral and Congressional majority by the Vice-President, the Speaker, and the Majority Leader is manifest in a defective bill that was corruptly conceived as a “deal” and that, for that very reason, threatens the Democratic majority in … Massachusetts, no less!

Forget Arkansas and other ex-Confederate red-states where GOP office-holders are propped-up by defense contractors, Federal Reserve branch banks, bond-lawyers, land-speculators, and mercenary soldiers or police. The Democratic establishment in Washington is freightened of these people and seeks to hold them harmless for what they have done, trying to buy them off by just throwing money and concessions at them. It is all that establishment knows how to do. It is what they still think of as a skill-set even though it has not worked for decades.

This is where FDL/Hamsher correctly chooses to do battle, because the Democratic Party establishment defers to the DLC in the neo-Confederate, red-state bastions and simply concedes making fun of “Bush & Brownie”, say, but leaving New Orleans to the tender mercy of race-hustlers and movie stars.

The Washington establishment of both parties are like those folks in carriages with parasols who went across the Potomac to watch the first battle of Manassas thinking it would be a picnic. They — not the Army of Northern Virginia — would almost defeat President Lincoln with their self-serving mix of arrogance and incompetence.


William Hurley
Comment posted January 16, 2010 @ 1:17 pm

I've never voted “R” and never will. Nor will I vote for Dems simply because they're Dems if the candidate and/or party does not represent me.

As such, it is insulting – to me and from what I've seen of others' reactions – to suggest that defensible dissent is impetuous. Adding insult to injury, of your credibility, is the wanton misrepresentation of the facts of a poll and its authors. Your self-inflicted wounds, reading “your” as broadly as possible to include other wagon-circling loyalists, are further exacerbated by the specious and counter-intuitive assertion that a multi-term incumbent turned-tail in the face of a singular poll.

Given the vigor and validity of your analysis here, I can't wait to see whom it is you blame for Coakley's loss in MA. Understand that as a 40 year (nearly life-ling) resident of MA, I am distressed and disgusted by the prospects of Coakley's loss but am under no illusions as to why such a result is as likely, as of this writing, as any other outcome.


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thesheriffsani
Comment posted January 17, 2010 @ 12:43 am

Welcome to Firebaggerland where 'sticking to your principles' means allying with Grover Norquist, who would just love to drown your beloved public option in a bathtub.


thesheriffsani
Comment posted January 17, 2010 @ 12:48 am

I'm sorry, 2008 called and said that both of your candidates lost for very good reasons.

But hey, here's to Palin in 2012! Because what's a few hundred thousand more dead Iranians and a couple more lost Supreme Court seats when this time we'll really get our pony!

Nach Nixon- er- Reagan- uh- Bush- umm- Palin, uns!


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thesheriffsani
Comment posted January 17, 2010 @ 12:51 am

Grover Norquist and the Teabaggers. QED.


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Comment posted January 17, 2010 @ 9:54 am

Freepers? Where? I ban them at my site.


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