Tea Party Convention Drama Fueled by Emerging GOP Alliance

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Late last year, Judson Phillips of Tea Party Nation came to Eric Odom with a proposition. Odom’s group, the American Liberty Alliance–a free market, anti-tax group launched in March 2009, after its leaders had helped put together the first Tea Party protests–could sign on with the National Tea Party Convention that Phillips was organizing. ALA could promote the convention on its website and to its members. In return, it would become a “gold co-sponsor” of the convention, which would cost any other sponsor $5,000. That status would let Odom join other activists backstage with Sarah Palin, the event’s big-ticket speaker, before she gave her Saturday evening address. Odom signed up, and ALA joined the conservative women’s group Smart Girl Politics as the most prominent Tea Party groups promoting the event.

On January 12, Odom had to rethink his position. In the morning, he tried to convince local leaders of ALA that, despite some bad press coverage, the event was worth supporting. But at 2 p.m., Nashville-based Tea Party activist Kevin Smith posted a 6,700-word article on the “story behind Tea Party Nation’s dishonest beginnings.” In Smith’s account, Tea Party Nation had become a scam, promoting its own welfare while alienating local grassroots activists. The high cost of the convention–full-access tickets were $549, while access to Palin’s speech alone was $349. “It’s become clear to me that Judson and his for-profit Tea Party Nation Corporation are at the forefront of the GOP’s process of hijacking the tea party movement,” Smith wrote. “How can I honestly object to this same behavior in my Government and demand they clean up Washington when I am unwilling to risk the personal and political injury it takes to expose the fraud, corruption, and deceit to which I am privy?”

Smith’s attack on Tea Party Nation jumped from e-mail inbox to e-mail inbox. Hours later, 25 of ALA’s organizers told Odom that they wanted to pull out of the convention. Shortly after midnight, Odom announced that that ALA was quitting the convention because “when we look at the $500 price tag for the event and the fact that many of the original leaders in the group left over similar issues, it’s hard for us not to assume the worst.”

Since the first announcements about the National Tea Party Convention in November 2009, the high-priced, first-of-its kind event has been a magnet for controversy, a divisive subject within the burgeoning movement, and a punching bag for local and national media. Those three factors have complemented one another, as angry activists like Smith, Florida organizer Robin Stublen, and California organizer Mark Meckler have attacked the convention in very public forums. The attacks have remained one-sided as Phillips has blown off questions about the criticism. He has not responded to multiple phone calls and e-mails from TWI and from other outlets such as TPM Muckraker. Asked to confirm that Palin was being paid $100,000 to appear at the event, Phillips only told Politico that its reporters’ sources were “not reliable.” The result: A steady stream of negative press that has been circulated inside the movement, culminating in the high-profile withdrawal of ALA.

“I think it is a great con of people making money off the passions of others,” said Erick Erickson, the editor of RedState.com and sponsor of the biannual RedState Gathering convention, in an e-mail to TWI. “A $500+ per person fee to a for-profit organization run by people most people have never heard of is neither populist nor accessible for many tea party activists. It smells more like a scam using Sarah Palin to build legitimacy while lining pockets with money from hard working tea party activists.” After talking to TWI, Erickson put up a blog post making the argument in even more detail.

“When I’ve talked to our members, they’ve said this is entirely too expensive,” said Jenny Beth Martin, the national coordinator of Tea Party Patriots. The decision not to participate was made in a December conference call with members. “I’m sure there are other people in the movement who haven’t given as much, haven’t been organizing events, and may feel more comfortable spending that money, going to see some speakers, and getting that training. But we’re focusing on a grassroots response to the State of the Union and on the next round of Tea Parties on February 27.”

But as humiliating as the National Tea Party Convention’s coverage has been for activists, critics and attendees alike see the ambition and political strategy of their movement becoming more and more mainstream. Nine months ago, Odom got national headlines for pre-emptively denying RNC Chairman Michael Steele a speaking slot at the Chicago Tea Party. “We prefer to limit stage time to those who are not elected officials, both in government as well as political parties,” he said at the time. Today, Steele is winning a Tea Party Nation web poll on whether he should speak the convention, and Odom is gearing up for a trip to Massachusetts to help the Republican candidate, Scott Brown, take the state’s open Senate seat. The Tea Party Express, an operation of the GOP-supporting Our Country Deserves Better PAC which has been utterly rejected by some Tea Party activists, is rolling into the convention and catching hardly any flack for it. The presence of Palin, Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.) and Rep. Marsha Blackburn (R-Tenn.) at the convention is seen, universally, as a coup with import that will outlive the controversy over the event itself.

“Having Palin speak at the convention works to to their mutual advantage,” said Morton Blackwell, the president of the Leadership Institute, an organization that trains conservatives (program veterans include James O’Keefe, the videographer who taped damaging exposes of ACORN) and is getting a discounted sponsorship at the National Tea Party Convention in return for holding free sessions. “It’ll help them get thousands of people there, I think. And the leadership of the Tea Parties, that I’ve talked to, do not believe that they should start their own party.”

Despite the negative press Palin has received for demanding so much money for her speech, there’s agreement that her presence will help convince activists that they need to work for Republicans. “Palin is actually more Tea Party than Republican Party, anyway–she walked away from the governor’s office, for crying out loud!” said Grover Norquist, president of Americans for Tax Reform–which is still undecided on whether to support the convention, based on conflicting suggestions from local activists. “But it’s important that they realize that they don’t have to be friends with the guys they replace the Democrats with. They get them to run on their issues. That’s how you avoid third party movements.”

Some of the people planning to attend the convention are still considering whether third party challenges to the Democrats and the GOP are viable. David DeGerolamo of NC Freedom, who is spending “thousands of dollars” to travel from North Carolina to Nashville and run a breakout session on consolidating state Tea Party groups at the convention, speculated that it would be an ideal place to “weed out” people who had the money to challenge the two parties. “I’ll tell you,” said DeGerolamo, “the GOP here in North Carolina is scared to death about what will happen at the Tea Party Convention.”

But the chance of the Tea Party Convention becoming the start of a third party movement — something rumored for months and occasionally indulged by Palin — is remote. (On the January 13 episode of “Glenn Beck,” Palin admitted that “there are times that I have been tempted to bail from” the GOP but that she didn’t think third parties are viable.) The focus of detractors is on purifying the movement of buck-raking, but not Republican activism. The focus of convention defenders is While Kevin Smith’s explosive blog post warned against GOP exploitation, hours later the Louisiana Tea Party endorsed Sen. David Vitter (R-La.) for re-election.

“Sometimes, in conservative circles, you run into this purity test problem where any traction in political process is seen as selling out over principled,” said John O’Hara, a staffer at the libertarian Heartland Institute who helped organized the February 27 Tea Party in Washington, D.C. and whose book “New American Tea Party” hit shelves this week. “I’d hate to see the Tea Party relegated to a third party spoiler, and luckily I don’t think that’s happening.”

Neither Tea Party activists nor conservative movement figures who are linking up with them express much worry about the bad press the convention is getting. Some of the non-participants who’ve been quoted criticizing the convention, such as Adam Brandon of FreedomWorks, are fine with the media promoting the crusade of Odom, Stublen, and others while Brandon’s group quietly promotes its new PAC targeting vulnerable Democrats. “We wish them all the best, but we are too stretched on the health care bill,” Brandon told TWI.

And for all the bad press Tea Party Nation’s received, the very day the group announced extremely limited access for the media, its website revealed one profitable reason why.

“The First National Tea Party Convention is officially SOLD OUT!!!! You may place your name on the waiting list in the event additional tickets become available.”

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jrhines
Comment posted January 14, 2010 @ 10:37 am

Hey, it's easy to get free speakers. Just invite millionaires: I'm sure Romney and Corzine are both available.


MYReAgan
Comment posted January 14, 2010 @ 11:11 am

Fox news and Rupert Murdock have turned American politics into a cash cow. The more outrageous the story the more it sells and the better the ratings. When you own so many news outfits and you pay-off Rasmussen pollsters you can make your own news. It doesn't matter how ridiculous the stories turn out to be. In my opinion turning our political system into a comedy soap opera act is disrespectful. Let Sarah and Joe the plumber get rich, there is nothing wrong with that; However, turning our political system into an all year comedy act and influencing our citizens with lies and made up politicians cartoon characters is dangerous.


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thefold-Chris
Comment posted January 14, 2010 @ 12:31 pm

But do they take nut sacks to the face like Palin does??


thefold-Chris
Comment posted January 14, 2010 @ 12:32 pm

Dave, excellent job on this. Just wanted to let you know.


NewHampshire
Comment posted January 14, 2010 @ 1:20 pm

What a joke… much ado about nothing.

Find the target, personalize it, polarize it then attack it.

Not working desperados!


24AheadDotCom
Comment posted January 14, 2010 @ 1:39 pm

Somewhere there's a soap opera tabloid that's missing Weigel's talents.

Meanwhile, the reader should look into who's behind the “Heartland” Institute, and should ask themselves why Weigel didn't tell you about them, or the AFP, or the rest.

Even a fifth-grade site like ThinkProgress is doing more important reporting on this: link.

See also my Freedomworks posts.


107bobt2
Comment posted January 14, 2010 @ 2:00 pm

The support of this movement will not die out as the left / liberals wish and claim. To our family — the T E A party movement is basic common sense. We believe that this is the one group who truley represent the American people who care about country / community / family and the direction that society takes.
Career politicians have lost their core principles and have lost touch with reality. They need to be swept from office — starting now.
Rational people believe that this Country is in serious trouble.
The “feel good voters” — those who vote because they “like someone (Obama) without knowing anything about them — nor following what their administration is doing, cannot comprehend what is going on — and don't care. They just “feel good”. Most of them won't turn out to vote in the mid-term elections this year.
The results —- HERE COMES THE TEA PARTY.


mrt118
Comment posted January 14, 2010 @ 2:45 pm

I heard Palin is not taking ANY money for the appearance…….which is true….? You spin or theirs? Can we get some journalists to actually comment on fact? Attendance has to cost something……nothing is free…..unless your're a liberal then you want everything free, eh?


mrt118
Comment posted January 14, 2010 @ 2:46 pm

Right on point and correct! Thx


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chrisjay
Comment posted January 14, 2010 @ 3:20 pm

Even if sites like this one didn't report on the slo-mo trainwreck (phony populism comes face-to-face with it's slick corporate puppetmasters), that won't make it stop happening


R. George Dunn
Comment posted January 14, 2010 @ 4:52 pm

Just the in-depth and long analysis of the Teaparty movement in this article portrays the strength of the movement. The nuance of the negativity here is a minor growing pain of a newly sprouting Caucus.

Had the national Convention been planned by a committee of leaders rather then planned and brought forth, any discrepancy would have been dismissed or stopped. This will not be deterring the Patriots of this Nation from the Quest before them, to return the Federal Government back to Constitutional Conduct and to fix the deadly tax Structure.

The Patriot's are not headed for a third party, yet and from the way it is all shaking out, the GOP must and will become Constitutional again. If per chance not enough Patriots get on the ballot for the primary and the Nationalist GOP remain in power of the party, the only hope would be what? If we cannot take the GOP, how could we do so as a third party. The Independence Caucus, a central partner with the Patriot Coalition, has set itself up to vet candidates for office at all levels. It's questionnaire measures the Constitutional character of those on the ballot in both parties with the intent of bringing back the Constitution to Sovereignty. If you have not been to their site, check it out. Http://ourcaucus.com with the member site of http://icaucus.ning.com

In the beginnings of the teaparty movement, those in the Government were held away for fear of their bringing strings. Now there is a repentant spirit among the Representatives and those who were already Patriots identified. The grassroots' spirit of Sarah Palin is a light over the wilderness, as is all those speaking. Michael Steele, from a liberal State, has come out against the DC Establishment Nationalists and has claimed the teaparty as his mantra. Though he has yet to remain so, with his constant flipping, it may be possible he has repented and has become a Patriot. Hard to say and still a bit early for his speaking tot he teaparty, maybe.

Another Leader who has gained his federalist legs over the years since being a Governor is Mike Huckabee. His Spirit of standing up to Washington has been and still is inspiring and fruitful. Him I would invite to speak anywhere, as well as Senator DeMint, Marco Rubio, a few others now climbing onto the Teaparty Patriot Express.

While I have your ear, after Massachusetts Senate race, the Illinois primary is next on 02/02/2010. In the race, a Patrick Hughes is a Patriot up against a Nationalist. We must swing in to help him win the primary:
02/02/10 Illinois Primary~ @hughesforsenate -Patriot on GOP Ballot 4 U.S. Senate, endorsed-@marklevinshow http://bit.ly/73aLTj #sgp


bedr1
Comment posted January 14, 2010 @ 5:58 pm

Palin announced the other day that she was not accepting the 100K for herself but instead going to give away to Patriotic candidates and causes


R. George Dunn
Comment posted January 14, 2010 @ 6:57 pm

I also read a change on the billing, which said that the Hotel is now giving a special rate for the Patriot convention. The original rate gave me a shock. It appears harmony has arrived. Let's all close ranks for the Quest. Gob Save the USA~


elmalo
Comment posted January 14, 2010 @ 7:45 pm

All aboard for the T-bagger Spermfest.


texasaggie
Comment posted January 14, 2010 @ 8:19 pm

Those of you who criticize Judson Phillips for making an honest buck don't understand. This is THE basic foundation of the whole conservative movement. Nothing trumps making a buck. And for a person of his social position, $549 is pocket change, so he didn't understand that other people, with whom he has no real contact, may not think so.

Furthermore, if you look at the history of the Republican party, they always have taken the chumps for a ride with their stories of God, Flag, and Country (not to mention motherhood and apple pie.) Why shouldn't he continue doing what has always been a winning program in the past?


texasaggie
Comment posted January 14, 2010 @ 8:27 pm

When you talk about the “feel good voters,” you wouldn't be talking about the people who voted for Bush, would you? Or any of the present legislators whose allegiance is with the energy and the insurance industries? Or any of the christianists who wave their crosses, but hide their bank accounts.

On another tack, when you say the TEA party movement is common sense, could you elucidate that statement by explaining just what the TEA party wants? And then explain how what it wants is different from what it's been getting?


plankbob
Comment posted January 14, 2010 @ 9:07 pm

I could call myself a nuclear physicist but that wouldn't make me one.
Nor does calling yourself a patriot make you one. in fact it's very presumptuous.


chamomiletea
Comment posted January 14, 2010 @ 9:31 pm

It's the free market at work. Deal with it.


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Sick of it all in TN
Comment posted January 14, 2010 @ 11:18 pm

Not the Kevin Smith drama again. You don't know the whole story. Kevin Smith has it out for Judson Phillips. Kevin WAS, notice I said WAS, the webmaster for TPN at it's conception. Need I say anymore? I have screen shots of Kevin's deceptive ways.

There are too many EGOS in the TEA PARTY MOVEMENT that are trying to outdo each other.

Who cares what Judson Phillips is doing? Leave him alone. This is Kevin Smith's personal fight with Judson making it public, once again or should I say STILL??

Kevin, get it over it once and for all. You are fighting the wrong battle. MOVE ON.


mmorello
Comment posted January 14, 2010 @ 11:25 pm

The fact of the matter is that the Tea Party Movement has become influential and attractive because it is “all inclusive,” nobody had to pay anything to attend rallies and if there was a boot camp, there was a nominal $15-$30 or so donation to help cover basic costs. Tea Party organizers did this for the good of the country and have worked their butts off to make this movement FOR EVERYONE, not just the wealthy!

I understand and support the free market and his right to charge for this convention, but to mislabel it a TEA PARTY convention is a slap in the face to all the hard working organizers and Tea Party regulars, that have made this movement what it is today, are priced out of such events. Tax Day Tea Parties across the country had fabulous speakers and entertainers that came on their own dime because they supported the cause. I support that Sarah is getting a cut from this overpriced who's who in the “old school” party guest list and I am sure she will be fiscally responsible with that money using it to help the candidates she said she is going to support. Tea Party supporters crossed the country to attend the March on DC, which by the way was FREE! Finally, for texasaggie to comment “for a person of his social position, $549 is pocket change, so he didn't understand that other people, with whom he has no real contact, may not think so.” supporting this event means you are condoning business as usual in our current government.


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chinesetea
Comment posted January 15, 2010 @ 10:04 am

There are too many EGOS in the TEA PARTY MOVEMENT that are trying to outdo each other.


Evolutionary
Comment posted January 15, 2010 @ 11:55 am

The Tea Party Movement was created by Republicans, and was to be used as a tool by them. The actual Tea Party Activists gathered around because they thought it was different from both Republicans, and Democrats. Once they found out it was just another Republican talking piece, they were pissed. They have since become a nightmare for the GOP. Sarah Palin is no Tea Party advocate. Michelle Bachman is a lunatic. Might was well 'join' the 700 Club. Is the Tea Party Movement now run by the Religious Right? Is that what we signed up for? For people like Pat Robertson and Rush Limbaugh? No THANK YOU. The Republican era is OVER.


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Brad B.
Comment posted January 15, 2010 @ 3:18 pm

You can't imagine how much Democrats love to hear comments like yours.


Patrick
Comment posted January 15, 2010 @ 11:30 pm

The “Tea Party” is simply an extension of hard core right wing Republicans, nothing more nothing less. Sarah Palin is such a joke. Now she is a Fox “analyst”. When will people realize that all she is about is making money? To call this “movement” a grass roots organization is silly.


R. George Dunn
Comment posted January 15, 2010 @ 11:51 pm

The teaparty movement grew out of the immense shift toward nationalizm under the Bush Years. It is not a creation of the GOP other then their obvious RINO movement. The teaparty has become the Patriot movement, with the Constitutional conduct of the Federal Government being the main plank. Also the changing of the tax structure from porduciton to sales in order to get manufacturing back to America. If you don't want to be a subject fo the State of the USA, known as the USSA, United Socialist State of America, soon Amero.


monkey99
Comment posted January 16, 2010 @ 1:19 am

C'mon, what's the real reason? You expect everyone to believe that this “dissatisfaction” just began a year ago? Coinciding with the inauguration of the first BLACK President?

And for someone (and probably not the only one) who spouts “socialism”, you don't really have a working knowledge of the term. If you did, you wouldn't be so eager to use it.

Palin is a perfect example for your teabagger events……..Ignorant, racist, uneducated with a flair for nonsense talk.

Oh, you can stop using words to describe how “big” your movement is. Nobody buys it. At best, the baggers are spoilers. Nothing more.

So play “Reinvent the Nation” with your playmates. It's still nothing but talk. None of the baggers have brought forth ANYTHING resembling a solution or an answer to ANY of this country's ills. So while you spout how “American” you all are, you have just become another of it's problems. (but a funny one)


Palin4Prez
Comment posted January 16, 2010 @ 3:43 am

Obama mentions seeing his “Birth Certificate” on page 26 of 'Dreams of My Father'. Why won't he release THAT Birth Certificate? Unless it's from Kenya than I understand. Why not the college records unless he attended as a Foreign Student than I understand. On the face of the evidence that Obama Senior was a Kenyan-Brit/transient alien BHO cannot possibly meet the natural born citizen requirement of the Constitution. We need to put this imposter out on his ear ASAP.


R. George Dunn
Comment posted January 16, 2010 @ 7:49 am

monkey99, Your right, the dissatisfaction is not new and has been growing for many years. It was all being centered on the left for years, until the eyes were opened to how the power in DC was using both parties to put on a charade while growing the Federal Government into a State, eliminating the sovereignty of the united States. When Bush demanded a bailout at a time when the federal reserve was not opening their books to the international banking community, the only nation to not do it, and the USA was about to be expelled from said community, it opened one's eyes as to why, when the GOP took over both in Congress and the Presidency, nothing got done. The Shadow power in DC did not want smaller government, but wanted something much different. From the actions behind this climategate, it is to bring the world under World governance. The story of the Amero nation making the North American continent as one is true also. Alas, when the teaparty movement broke, it found a vast majority of disenfranchised Americans ready to stand up for liberty and the Constitution. The wake up call is an ongoing event, with many more citizens getting through past the bias leftist media to the truth.

Socialism is easy to understand. The pilgrim story in their first two years tells the truth to that and so does history and the current plight in Europe, to which they are informing us to not go down that road, to which you have your hand out to it seems. Socialism is not sustainable based on one fact, greed. Mankind is not capable of such a system. Why work if it is free and why work even if made to stand in a spot for so called work. I remember the story of how Russian lineman would work until lunch and then drink vodka the rest of the day. No value is given to applying oneself in socialism, which if you ever been in a welfare office and seen how the cliental is treated, you would know that tyranny is the number one character of a socialist system. The youth of this Nation think it is the lack of socialism that is needed to correct the imbalance of wealth in this Nation. It is not, but could be the result. Our tax structure is the guilty party, which gives over to bribes of congressman by lobbyists to provide the rich with loopholes. If we abolish the IRS and eliminate the production tax, it ends the corruption. FairTax.org has the plan to do this and to put we the people back to work in such a way that it will the negotiated wage that will inflate our economy, creating sustainable income for all. The minimum wage will become a history lesson,as it will not be needed.

Your ignorant remark about Sarah Palin desires no response. Your dismissing of the vastness of the Patriot movement is good. It provides for an easier victory for the Constitution to be returned. Thank you.

The Patriots are not re-inventing the USA. We are returning it to Constitutional Law. If you had ever read any of the documents from our Founders, you would find their intelligence to be far beyond today's tech driven ignorance of logic and deduction.

Glad you find it funny to not want to be subjects of the State and from the truth coming out of the climategate, subject to a World order. Wake up before it is too late.


elmalo
Comment posted January 16, 2010 @ 10:04 am

People with two, or more, braincells ALWAYS knew that the whole T-bagger “movement” was an invention of the radical Reichists, within the Repugnant Party.

This American Taliban is a cancer that must be excised from the political body of the nation.


joe2171
Comment posted January 16, 2010 @ 6:12 pm

People with two, or more, braincells…really?

Well first, it's obvious from your atrocious grammar that the two or more braincell category doesn't include you.

Second, go back to your dreams of a democratically controlled socialist dystopia you underbrained troll, those of us who live in the real world are busy, and we don't have time to deal with barely human oxygen thieves like you!


Steve_X
Comment posted January 16, 2010 @ 7:48 pm

What the hell are you talking about, birfer? Did you even bother to READ this article? Did you at least skim the headline? Go back to eBay, buy some more birf sertifikats, and leave the civilized discussion to those of us who are sane.


Evolutionary
Comment posted January 16, 2010 @ 9:59 pm

When I see the actual Tea Party Movement do something of its own accord, I will then believe. To be represented by the likes of an obvious idiot like Palin is a disgrace. The Founding Fathers, be they Federalist or not, would have at least made educated statements. “Tea Party Convention”? Please. Republicans financing a coup against what has actually become a different movement, trying to take it over. That's what's going on. Does Rush Limbaugh tell you what to do? Is Pat Robertson your leader? Not mine pal. My Constitutional rights have been trampled on through Nixon, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush Jr., and what now? If Sarah Palin is a shining light, I can also see Manhattan from my freakin' helicopter. Are WE TO BE GOP JUNIOR???????


Evolutionary
Comment posted January 16, 2010 @ 10:12 pm

You can't imagine the sick twisted statements made on behalf of Conservatives like these people. They are an embarrassment, not a good presidential candidate. This Tea Party could become very influential if it (all the egos) could sit down and discuss things like Ben Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, and all the rest, then maybe this would be worth it. These men would have been frightened and even disgusted with what has happened to what they created. We could start easily with a separation of church and state altogether. The most pious of these early politicians were all in agreement with this. We could also bring our boys home to guard our OWN borders.


R. George Dunn
Comment posted January 16, 2010 @ 11:11 pm

One of the great problems will be the awakening of the Pauls, the Libertarians, the Constitutionalists, to the fact that the majority of their platform is being hoisted by the Patriot movement and what do they do? Protect their ego and their territory, the Constitution like they cannot shae it? Sarah Palin is five times the Patriot as to those mouthing off here. The order is talk to your hand and observe the fingers are pointing at you with your mudd.

Stop bickering over who is best and join us in winning the war for the Quest of Liberty C4L.


monkey99
Comment posted January 17, 2010 @ 1:53 am

Nothing in your comment changes ANYTHING I commented on, previously.

Hey, pal, the rest of the WORLD is socialist. Mind espousing how much of a failure that is? You STILL don't understand.

Palin is a liar, fake, racist, quitter, shameless prostitute when it comes to money, should I go on? You, sir, are the ignorant one. This charlatan has you completely fooled.

How you people going to return a nation to something it never left? If you really are serious about the change you espouse, then get rid of the money flowing into D.C. by way of lobbyists. Try to restrict campaign funding. Straighten out Wall St. and the banks. You'll all be nothing more than a dissatisfied bunch of whiners until then.

Start there, and maybe, just MAYBE, I might think on the baggers as legitimate. Otherwise, you're just spinning your wheels, wasting breath, and all our time.


elmalo
Comment posted January 17, 2010 @ 9:23 am

Did the little right-wing, neo-fascist racist get his feelings hurt?

Grab your bedsheets and hurry to your Klan meeting.


joe2171
Comment posted January 17, 2010 @ 9:55 am

Wow, great response, boy you sure got me really good, I am really upset…by your boring formulaic completely predictable comeback.

C'mon guy, you have to put at least a little thought into it!

Well let me qualify that, “Thought” doesn't seem to be your strong suit, ummm…

YOU HAVE TO TRY HARDER!!!

There that ought to do it, sorry, I wasn't thinking at first, I forgot to put it in terms someone like you would understand, have a good one.


Patrick
Comment posted January 17, 2010 @ 12:00 pm

Sarah Palin is a joke. The only reason McCain put her on his ticket was to get the vote from women. He was foiled once she opened her mouth after she decided to “Go Rogue”. I love watching her on the Fox talk shows and hear the idiotic statements she says. The truth is that she felt she would make more money by quitting her job as Governor, so she stepped down. She did not want to face the corruption charges against her knowing that after going through all of that she would no longer have one ounce of clout with the lock stepping GOP. I hope she keeps talking and staying in the public view in order for people to eventually see how dumb she is. The Tea Party is a bunch of sore Republicans disguised as “Independents”. They are really being led by Right Wing Nutjobs!


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Comment posted January 17, 2010 @ 10:56 pm

LOL, fundy is the new emo, listen to him whine!


joe2171
Comment posted January 18, 2010 @ 11:33 am

Really…fundy?

Wow, I have never felt such a thorough lack of insult by these two truly “unique” responders…

Hmmm, what do I do?

I mean I want to respond in kind, but I also don't like to be mean to those unfortunates who are, shall we say, underfunded in the intelligence department.

Oh well I think I will have to let this one go by.

Tatsukan, dear boy, Elmalo, poor lad, you two make sure you dress warmly for school okay, and remember, they don't clean the windows on the short bus everyday so please look for a clean spot to lick!

There they go, out into the real world, I hope they are going to be okay, but I do worry so.


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Comment posted January 25, 2010 @ 1:19 am

listen to him whine!


Jim Knapp
Comment posted January 28, 2010 @ 3:05 am

Agreed, right now this is what the movement is turning into, just another wing of the GOP. Like the Log Cabin Republicans.

The movment needs to KICK THE GOP OPERATIVES OUT….or it will go the way of the Reform Party.


elmalo
Comment posted January 28, 2010 @ 9:01 am

Plus, do not pay Sarah “RINO” Palin the $100K for babbling at the convention. If the money is taken away…she will be a no-show.


Evolutionary
Comment posted January 28, 2010 @ 10:38 pm

Sorry guys, the “Log Cabin Republicans” are not really Republicans. They are a “mock” party of conservative gays. Uh, not that there's anything wrong with that…Just sayin'. Bachman already pulled out, and some other speaker did too. All these guys have left IS Sarah Palin. Here I repeat clearly: Does Sarah Palin represent the values of the Tea Party Movement, or are Tea Partiers being both hijacked, and used by Republicans that have no chance of winning an election. COME ON, President Palin? We need a CANDIDATE. Ron Paul was on track, but he can't pull it off. So who is it going to be Ladies and Gentlemen, Americans? Lets get real before we are just a footnote of derision in a history book. Ben Franklin said, “We must hang together, else we will surely hang separately”. No kidding. I am glad Bachman pulled out, she's loony. Sarah, although pretty, isn't going to be elected president. WHO'S it GOING to BE????


Evolutionary
Comment posted January 28, 2010 @ 10:42 pm

At this point, speculation as to who began the Tea Party Movement is irrelevant. “El Malo” means, “The Sick/Bad”. Nice try TROLL…


Evolutionary
Comment posted January 28, 2010 @ 10:55 pm

Ladies and Gentlemen, Americans – The statement above is a good illustration of what we are being portrayed as. Check the blogs, the media, the rest. We are becoming an laughingstock. Don't get mad, get organized. We are a fine example of that organization already. Are we racist? Are we really neo-fascists? Guys, do we really want to see pictures of Hitler at Tea Parties? Is that who we are? If so, then don't count me in. We don't have to be racist, or labeled as such. Whatever our culture or skin color happens to be, is not something to be ashamed of. That includes “angry White People”. There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with being “White”. We do not need to apologize for being “White”. Does that make us neo-fascists? Does that makes KKK operatives? Can we agree on some rules, or at least some unified idea of what we would like to accomplish, and how the hell we're going to do it?


Evolutionary
Comment posted January 28, 2010 @ 11:11 pm

Your screen name says a lot. I don't know about the rest of the Ladies, Gentlemen – you know, the Americans, but if you think Mooselini, The Tundra Tart, Caribou Barbie (ad nauseum) is, or EVER will be elected, then you will pour your hard earned money into a loser. LETS FIND A REAL CANDIDATE! We don't have a whole lot of resources though. Which real conservative among the 'already elected' are qualified and willing to lead the charge with OUR agenda? I am wanting to ask -again-, are we really going to just be GOP Junior? Are we the “Religious Right”? Are we ALL really for ending the stupid DRUG WAR? If we don't share the same ideals, who are we?

Here's another Founding Father speaking, “Born in other countries, yet believing you could be happy in this, our laws acknowledge, as they should do, your right to join us in society, conforming, as I doubt not you will do, to our established rules. That these rules shall be as equal as prudential considerations will admit, will certainly be the aim of our legislatures, general and particular.
Thomas Jefferson, letter to Hugh White, May 2, 1801.

I would say that's fair. Basically it says, “play by our rules, and at our invitation”. It doesn't say, 'legalize all “undocumented” immigrants'. I hope our government has that in mind when they make decisions in the next few weeks or months.


Evolutionary
Comment posted January 28, 2010 @ 11:27 pm

“When facism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.” – Sinclair Lewis…
I begin to wonder exactly how many people that consider themselves Americans, have actually read our Constitution, our Bill of Rights, the many Amendments to the Constitution, the history of the Founding Fathers, etc. How many of us have read the Declaration of Independence recently? I have. I apply it to today's situation.
“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. (There is much more, just google it).
Read it and understand it. Read and understand your Constitutional Rights.


Jim Knapp
Comment posted January 29, 2010 @ 1:33 am

The Log Cabin gays are in fact Republicans.

Palin will never be President, but I do like her.

Ron Paul is right 85% of the time and a bit looney on some things.

I like a lot of what Pat Buhannon has to offer, but AIPAC took him out.

Tom McClintock is amazing, but is not known well enough on the national level….but then again, someone pulled Obama out of their ass… he came from nowhere to take the national spotlight. Someone needs to pull a Tea Party leader out of their hat.


Evolutionary
Comment posted January 29, 2010 @ 9:18 pm

We can do better than Tom. I completely agree with 85% on Ron Paul. One thing I would like to point out is that there isn't enough actual gold to return to a 'gold standard'. Too many paper dollars have already been put into circulation.
Unfortunately, we (whoever we are), don't have a wide variety of Tea Party candidates to peruse like the GOP and DEM. A real American must be chosen from outside these parties. Obama was already a politician, and already entrenched. So was Bush. Whoever it is, had better be smarter than the average political jackass, actually speak for the people they represent and do what the people they represent want them to do. These elected officials are supposed to serve the people. They often don't.
For the rest: Let's not be hijacked, conned, or taken advantage of. Question authority. Question motives.


texasaggie
Comment posted February 3, 2010 @ 2:05 am

I agree with you, especially the quote from Sinclair Lewis, one of my favorite quotes. If there were ever a fascist movement in the US, it is the present rightwing agenda with their militarism and their religiosity and their nationalism. Check out Naomi Wolf's book on what constitutes fascism.

Under Bush we were heading for a police state at an accelerating rate (Patriot Act, national secrets defense), and I had hoped that Obama would change direction, but it isn't happening.


texasaggie
Comment posted February 3, 2010 @ 2:19 am

Can we agree on some rules?

No. The teabaggers aren't even sure of what they are angry about, let alone what a solution would be. Look at some of the interviews of teabaggers at the DC event and the generalities they mentioned and the misinformation that they believed. They aren't even sure what socialism is.

A good example would be the Republican budget that was just released that would cure the deficit by privatizing Medicare, Social Security, and Medicaid. It also would put severe limits on other spending, but never a word about what programs would be cut. To see what happens in real life when programs like that go into effect, go to Colorado Springs and see how they are dealing with limited government resources.


Evolutionary
Comment posted February 3, 2010 @ 8:23 pm

Okay, I won't take immediate, knee jerk offense at the term “teabagger”, because what you have to say is intelligent. Colorado Springs is a fine example of what happens when you don't 'pay as you go'. Obama speaks of doing the correct things, and I will wait and see if he walks his talk. I agree that many Independent voters (of the Tea Party variety) have come up with some pretty ridiculous ideas, and have no idea what Socialism is. Fascism is basically a government run by corporations. Benito Mussolini was definitely a fascist, and an enemy of our country. Socialism is actually what “Teabaggers” are advocating in some cases (the banks took my money!). We need a better idea or platform than just “Give me services, but I don't want to pay for them, and uh, keep off my lawn”. Colorado Springs is very, very good example of that thinking. Anger has power, but it isn't a lasting power. We need people that think like the Founding Fathers to lead our country. They are rolling in their graves!
I say again, if Sarah Palin is to be a Tea Party leader, count me out. A failed governor, a failed presidential contender, and basically, an idiot – is not someone I trust to run my government. Changes need to be made, we need to do them in an intelligent way, not just show up with Nazi signs and using racist language to solve our problems. Let's be grownups. If there is no unified idea of what we are to be, and we cannot agree, we are powerless. Seceding from the Union is a stupid idea too. We got the answer to that question about 140 years ago. Power speaks to Power.


Evolutionary
Comment posted February 3, 2010 @ 8:30 pm

Sarah Palin IS a joke. However, not all “Tea Partiers” are Republicans! This one wasn't! I vote for the best candidate, not the party. I agree that there are definitely right-wing nut jobs, and also left-wing nut jobs. The more dangerous of the two is the right-wing nut job due to simple ignorance and arrogance. When everything can be answered, “Because God told me so”, or “The Bible says it's so”, then thinking or using a brain has left the room. Anyone who actually reads about Jesus knows he would never have been a Republican!!! Hatred is not a good form of governance. For a real, viable, third political party to challenge the status quo, there is actual WORK to do. Sarah isn't going to do it, she doesn't even know that Korea is two countries. “I can see Russia from my house” is poor foreign diplomacy. We can't just hate all the other countries. We need to work with them too.


Evolutionary
Comment posted February 3, 2010 @ 8:46 pm

texasaggie has a point. We can't just claim we are the ones with common sense, because everyone thinks they are the best thinker. We need to define common sense for others. If we can't then we won't be a “we” any longer than Ross Perot's independent party was.
Let's make sure we are NOT a corporate tool. If you paid $595.00 to go see Caribou Barbie, than you wasted your money.


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This past weekend in Nashville, at the first National Tea Party Convention, the Beltway press ignored Sarah Palin's keynote address, followed a prime-time speech by “birther” Joseph Farah, who over the years has carved out a unique corner of the right-wing blogosphere. Because, yes, at the Tea Party convention, Farah, a proud Muslim-hater and gay-hater, received a standing ovation from the conservative crowd after he presented his birther evidence/theory that Obama is not a naturl-born citizen. Farah bragged in the weeks leading up to the event about his chance to share the stage with Sarah Palin, to associate with her. “Sold out! Palin-Farah ticket rocks tea-party convention,” read the headline at WorldNetDaily.
Worst of all, though, the mainstream press played dumb about the whole thing.
Fact: Virtually nobody in the corporate media said boo about Palin helping to legitimize the birther-movement by sharing the same stage with Farah. She was given a total free ride. Perhaps if the mainstream media continue to ignore likely future President Palin and the birthers they will fade away.


RedGraham
Comment posted February 13, 2010 @ 7:41 am

This past weekend in Nashville, at the first National Tea Party Convention, the Beltway press ignored Sarah Palin's keynote address, followed a prime-time speech by “birther” Joseph Farah, who over the years has carved out a unique corner of the right-wing blogosphere. Because, yes, at the Tea Party convention, Farah, a proud Muslim-hater and gay-hater, received a standing ovation from the conservative crowd after he presented his birther evidence/theory that Obama is not a naturl-born citizen. Farah bragged in the weeks leading up to the event about his chance to share the stage with Sarah Palin, to associate with her. “Sold out! Palin-Farah ticket rocks tea-party convention,” read the headline at WorldNetDaily.
Worst of all, though, the mainstream press played dumb about the whole thing.
Fact: Virtually nobody in the corporate media said boo about Palin helping to legitimize the birther-movement by sharing the same stage with Farah. She was given a total free ride. Perhaps if the mainstream media continue to ignore likely future President Palin and the birthers they will fade away.


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I understand and support the free market and his right to charge for this convention, but to mislabel it a TEA PARTY convention is a slap in the face to all the hard working organizers and Tea Party regulars, that have made this movement what it is today, are priced out of such events. Tax Day Tea Parties across the country had fabulous speakers and entertainers that came on their own dime because they supported the cause. I support that Sarah is getting a cut from this overpriced who's who in the “old school” party guest list and I am sure she will be fiscally responsible with that money using it to help the candidates she said she is going to support.


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In the beginnings of the teaparty movement, those in the Government were held away for fear of their bringing strings. Now there is a repentant spirit among the Representatives and those who were already Patriots identified. The grassroots' spirit of Sarah Palin is a light over the wilderness, as is all those speaking. Michael Steele, from a liberal State, has come out against the DC Establishment Nationalists and has claimed the teaparty as his mantra. Though he has yet to remain so, with his constant flipping, it may be possible he has repented and has become a Patriot. Hard to say and still a bit early for his speaking tot he teaparty, maybe.


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