No Profiling of Muslims in Fort Hood Recommendations?

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Tuesday, January 12, 2010 at 3:37 pm

It doesn’t appear so, according to Greg Jaffe’s preview of the Pentagon’s investigation:

A high-level Pentagon inquiry into the Fort Hood shootings that left 13 people dead has concluded that the military should focus more resources on identifying service members who might pose a threat to their colleagues and outlines a series of steps the Pentagon should take to prevent future attacks, Pentagon officials said.

According to Jaffe’s piece for The Washington Post, the report — expected to be released on Thursday — will recommend the Defense Department “to ensure that it fully staffs FBI-run Joint Terrorism Task Forces so that information collected by other government agencies about potential contacts between troops and terrorist groups is shared promptly with the Defense Department.” We’ll know more on Thursday, but it appears for now like Gen. George Casey’s call not to stigmatize American Muslim soldiers has been embraced by the panel, led by ex-Army Secretary Togo West and ret. Adm. Vern Clark. Good for them.

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henryflynn
Comment posted January 12, 2010 @ 5:15 pm

If the process means lives being saved, then profile anyone and everyone! We should learn from the system used in Isreal or are we scrared that their system would make fools of our methods? Their system is much more effective than ours! The only people who don't like profiling are the people who have something to hide. I don't have anything to hide, so profile me and anyone else that needs it!! Better lives being saved than worry about our “rights” being abused!
Our government is going to be taking most of our “rights” away from us anyway. We might as well get used to it!


ajm8127
Comment posted January 12, 2010 @ 10:18 pm

I don't believe it is possible to profile everyone, by definition.


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henryflynn
Comment posted January 13, 2010 @ 11:09 am

I was making a generalization. In other words, I don't care who is profiled.
If people have nothing to hide, they don't mind being “profiled”. Only those
who have something to hide object to the process, of course!
Those of us who prefer being safe, don't mind being profiled! The irrational
thinkers are the ones who want to blow us up. Sure, they need to be
profiled. If we must profile everyone who wants to get on an airliner to be
PC, then so be it. It is better that being blow out of the sky!
The world of being PC has gone way out of bounds. I prefer to think the way
the security people in Isreal think! They have a very effective system and
no one gets profiled, but everyone gets a very careful look and may be asked
questions that they don't want to answer!
Thanks for your response!


ajm8127
Comment posted January 13, 2010 @ 1:44 pm

I agree with you to an extent. I want people to be safe also. What are you suggesting security officials use to profile airline passengers? Their appearance, their destination, one way tickets to vastly different climates with no luggage?

Basically, I believe that we can't look at someone and make an informed decision as to whether or not they are going to try and blow up an airplane. I think there are other pieces of information that would make the assessment more effective.


henryflynn
Comment posted January 13, 2010 @ 4:07 pm

Until we can train the proper people to observe, knowing what to look for
and what questions to ask, given certain pieces of evidence, we can use
dogs, which are much better than any electronic device, plus the full body
scan. Just because some ladies are sensitive to people looking at their
bodies, it is a much safer method than what we have been doing. The ladies
and people who have something to hide, will just have to drive themselves,
take a ship, or stay at home. Of course, the bombers will have to think of
another method to carry out their irrational tricks.
Meanwhile, I suggest that we get in touch with the security experts in
Isreal and let them come over and train our people on their system.


ajm8127
Comment posted January 14, 2010 @ 7:27 pm

I agree with the full body scan. I think that is an excellent way not only to find items, but make them practically impossible to hide outside the body. I can guess what will happen next though. They will start cutting these people open and putting the bombs inside live bodies. What then? I guess we can give everyone an x-ray.

The real problem with the Christmas incident is that the red flags were up, just no one was looking for them. A great failure of the system occurred on multiple levels. Mistakes are learning experiences though, if you want them to be.


henryflynn
Comment posted January 14, 2010 @ 9:24 pm

I believe a BIG part of the problem was and still is that our government has
become so PC with not wanting to upset or offend anyone, especially the
Muslims, i.e. the president has gone out of his way to ensure that we are
friendly to that group, the very group that promotes the terrorists is the
one group that the president wants to be friendly with. The authorities are
scared to take any action against anyone unless that person walks up and
states that he wants to blow up an airplane and even then, I have my doubts
that that person would have anything done to him because no crime has been
committed! It is similar to the wife who tells the police that her husband
is threatening her, but they can to anything because no crime has been
committed. If we treat the terrorists like terrorists instead of common
criminals, we could take action, interrigate them and put them away for a
while until we could verify if they are dangerour or not. With this
president, that is not possible.


ajm8127
Comment posted January 15, 2010 @ 7:38 am

Obama has to try to extend a hand to Muslims to prevent the white male from becoming extremely racist towards that group. I don't know if you've been watching the past 60 years, but racism is a serious problem here.

I heard on the radio the other day that a Muslim man found a purse containing 20,000 dollars in his cab and went out of his way to return the money. When offered a reward, the man turned it down siting religious beliefs as why he could not accept it.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8455897.s…

The point is not all Muslim are bad. Hell, there are a lot that are not even Arab (like the Christmas bomber, he was Nigerian). So what are you going to do, ask people of their religious affiliation before they can pass through the gate?

The problem with the media at the mainstream level is that they only ever report on the bad news. “Mohammad somebody tried to blow up a plane,” they say. It's a lot like the publicity the health care town hall meetings got. You heard such an out cry from a few isolated right extremists, but you heard nothing about the vast majority of health care town hall meetings that were civil, and we full of supporters.

It would be like condemning all Christians because some lunatic kill that abortion doctor, Tiller, last year. You cannot define a group by a couple of outliers.


henryflynn
Comment posted January 15, 2010 @ 8:56 am

Your point is well taken, but you are preaching to the choir. We all know
that all Muslims are not bad people. The problem is that, I believe, that
all the bombers have been radicalized Muslims. The other problem is that
very few Muslims stand up and say that they denounce their actions. I have
been told or it actually been on the news that their book, the Koran, does
say that anyone who is not a Muslim is to be killed or words that mean the
same thing. I can see why the young men are so easily radicalized!

I am see waiting for a response from Mike Huckabee about that name. I will
try again today. I believe training our people to use the system used by
Isreal would work the best. It works, very well, for them and it a lot less
expensive. Our government is not ready to be so humble and to acknowledge
that such a small country has a much better system than our. It would make
them look a bit foolish! The democrats are already having enough problems!

If we were to start profiling, the majority of people would go through,
quickly. It's only those who have something to hide, as I have said before,
they are complaining. Our government needs to tell everyone, if you live in
America, you must live by our laws and culture and be prepared for profiling
to try to keep everyone safe! We have evolved into a culture that does not
want to offend anyone! Better to offend a few and keep many alive!


henryflynn
Comment posted January 18, 2010 @ 4:41 pm

I found the name of the former security director for the airline in Isreal.
He is the person who offered our authorities to come and train our people on
their system. He said that they send him a very polite letter, but turned
him down. This action is unbelievable!!! We, without a doubt, could use his
training. I don't understand why anyone would turn down such training!!
Anyway, his name is Isaac Yeffet. If you check out the FOXNEWS.com web site,
the video of him is there. I will let him tell about their system!


ajm8127
Comment posted January 20, 2010 @ 8:39 am

I want nothing to do with Israel. Their religious extremism is just as bad as the Muslims, you just happen to believe in a closer version of the imaginary man in the sky as they do.


henryflynn
Comment posted January 20, 2010 @ 8:46 am

This has nothing to do with their religion. This has to do with airport
security. Maybe, I have you mixed up with someone else who wanted this
information because they are aware of our lack of security. Sorry I bothered
you. I am not Jewish. I am a Christian. Again, what I believe has nothing to
do with airport security.
I am not sure what you mean by an imaginary man in the sky. Perhaps, you can
explain that, if you wish.


ajm8127
Comment posted January 20, 2010 @ 1:39 pm

I want nothing to do with Israel. Their religious extremism is just as bad as the Muslims, you just happen to believe in a closer version of the imaginary man in the sky as they do.


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