Giuliani Says 9/11 Never Happened

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Friday, January 08, 2010 at 10:35 am

When partisanship curdles into the malleability of the truth, you get former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani on “Good Morning America”:

“What he [Obama] should be doing is following the right things that Bush did – one of the right things he did was treat this as a war on terror. We had no domestic attacks under Bush. We’ve had one under Obama,” Giuliani said. “Number two, he should correct the things that Bush didn’t do right. Sending people to Yemen was wrong, not getting this whole intelligence thing corrected.”

We had no domestic attacks under Bush! Except for that really big one where 3000 people were murdered. And then the never-solved anthrax attacks that followed. Except for that, nothing. And “we’ve had one under Obama” — I guess the charitable reading is that he’s scoring Fort Hood a terrorist attack; either that or he’s saying a failed attempt on blowing up Northwest Flight 253 actually succeeded. Giuliani, the noun-verb-9/11 politician, is now a 9/11 denialist.

You actually need to give President George W. Bush credit for this. The Bush people did a wonderfully effective job of making it verboten in mainstream political discourse to consider the deaths of 3000 Americans on 9/11 in any sense Bush’s failing. To this day, there are people on the right who believe 9/11 is President Clinton’s failure; many of them would never dream of saying the system that Obama inherited from Bush was responsible for the near-miss on Flight 253.

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Obvious Johnson
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 11:09 am

“We had no domestic attacks under Bush” Are you fucking stupid???? You were THERE when 9/11 happened — whose watch was that on idiot!


ronstratton
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 11:10 am

All politicians use malaprops and disingenuous words to lie their way to influencing the masses. The surprising thing is that anyone notices.

The humor comes in when the lefties notice a Republican lying or the right wing catches a Democrat-Leftie lying. The indignation and mock horror are right out of The Three Stooges….”"We/our side would never mislead or lie”"

Butter wouldn't melt in our pure mouths.


A Concerned Veteran
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 11:11 am

Spencer Ackerman, it makes me sad that people like you exist. I don't know if you are too ignorant to understand Giuliani's comments or are maliciously twisting his words around. Either way, it's pathetic.
Oh, and Clinton was blamed because he tore down our intelligence community and military strength. Though I was young at the time I know, because I was serving in our military at that time.


ackermanissquealer
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 11:18 am

How do you not understand what domestic terrorism is? Ackerman, you are a weasel. You know exactly what he meant but choose to twist it.


blewmeonee
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 11:19 am

9/11
Shoe Bomber
Wiretapping cvitizens in the name of terror so Bush can keep them from being homos or ponogrpahers … yeah lets go back to that


blewmeonee
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 11:21 am

Oh, and Clinton was blamed because he tore down our intelligence community and military strength. Though I was young at the time I know, because I was serving in our military at that time.

If I recall Willy handed W a file specifically stating Bin Ladin wants to fly airplanes into buildings … is that the intelligence community that got dismanteld? Bush didn't believe in intelligence because he himself didn'thave any.

Obama is the man, will save your concernerd veteran whiny ass


Scott
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 11:25 am

Dear Mr. Ackerman,
You are obviously a moron. I shall explain my position.
I'm sure Giuliani made one heck of a flubber here, because I'm sure the idea he intended to express was after 911 (an attack which was known by and responded to by an intelligence community and military severely underfunded because of Clinton, can we say BRAC?) there had been no attacks. Ft Hood was DEFINATELY a terrorist attack, and whether the Christmas-eve attacked failed or not, it was not “thwarted” by Obama's intelligence team. It was “thwarted” by faulty technology. This is the same intelligence community that Obama has backed and “changed” since he came in to office. He has signed many orders and directives changing the operations of the intelligence world. Bush had only been in office for about 8 months when 911 happened and spent 8 years in office without another attack! Obama has been there a year and we've had 2 attacks!
My points speak for themselves. congratulations, you're a moron


Scott
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 11:25 am

Dear Mr. Ackerman,
You are obviously a moron. I shall explain my position.
I'm sure Giuliani made one heck of a flubber here, because I'm sure the idea he intended to express was after 911 (an attack which was known by and responded to by an intelligence community and military severely underfunded because of Clinton, can we say BRAC?) there had been no attacks. Ft Hood was DEFINATELY a terrorist attack, and whether the Christmas-eve attacked failed or not, it was not “thwarted” by Obama's intelligence team. It was “thwarted” by faulty technology. This is the same intelligence community that Obama has backed and “changed” since he came in to office. He has signed many orders and directives changing the operations of the intelligence world. Bush had only been in office for about 8 months when 911 happened and spent 8 years in office without another attack! Obama has been there a year and we've had 2 attacks!
My points speak for themselves. congratulations, you're a moron


Scott
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 11:25 am

Dear Mr. Ackerman,
You are obviously a moron. I shall explain my position.
I'm sure Giuliani made one heck of a flubber here, because I'm sure the idea he intended to express was after 911 (an attack which was known by and responded to by an intelligence community and military severely underfunded because of Clinton, can we say BRAC?) there had been no attacks. Ft Hood was DEFINATELY a terrorist attack, and whether the Christmas-eve attacked failed or not, it was not “thwarted” by Obama's intelligence team. It was “thwarted” by faulty technology. This is the same intelligence community that Obama has backed and “changed” since he came in to office. He has signed many orders and directives changing the operations of the intelligence world. Bush had only been in office for about 8 months when 911 happened and spent 8 years in office without another attack! Obama has been there a year and we've had 2 attacks!
My points speak for themselves. congratulations, you're a moron


Scott
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 11:25 am

Dear Mr. Ackerman,
You are obviously a moron. I shall explain my position.
I'm sure Giuliani made one heck of a flubber here, because I'm sure the idea he intended to express was after 911 (an attack which was known by and responded to by an intelligence community and military severely underfunded because of Clinton, can we say BRAC?) there had been no attacks. Ft Hood was DEFINATELY a terrorist attack, and whether the Christmas-eve attacked failed or not, it was not “thwarted” by Obama's intelligence team. It was “thwarted” by faulty technology. This is the same intelligence community that Obama has backed and “changed” since he came in to office. He has signed many orders and directives changing the operations of the intelligence world. Bush had only been in office for about 8 months when 911 happened and spent 8 years in office without another attack! Obama has been there a year and we've had 2 attacks!
My points speak for themselves. congratulations, you're a moron


oregondan
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 11:38 am

I don't see where Giuliani ever said 9/11 didn't happen. I do think that the Christmas Bomber is a failing of Bush's system. Bush had 7 years to prevent this, Obama had 1 year. Bush obviously gets the 'credit' for not changing the 'anti profiling' restrictions in his two terms. Even though Obama has only had 1 year, he certainly won't change that either. The terrorist on Christmas Day, bought a one way ticket with cash in Ghana, had no baggage, no passport, traveling alone on an expired visa. Why can't we profile for that?

Now about Clinton, yes he was responsible for 9/11. Clinton had 8 years, Bush had 8 months. Clinton let Bin Laden off the hook 3 times, didn't go after the USS Cole or Embassy bombers. Clinton saw plenty of attacks on our interests, but it appears he was too busy to go after any of them. No surprise when they got us again, just on our own soil on 9/11.

The interesting comparison is that Obama won't call the Christmas Day bomber a terrorist, and is using the failed Clinton playbook on trying him as a citizen common criminal, not an enemy combatant. Obama who just sent off a bunch more troops, should still remember we are in a war, that he isn't ending.


PJx
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 11:41 am

“How do you not understand what domestic terrorism is? Ackerman, you are a weasel. You know exactly what he meant but choose to twist it.”

How about the Muhammad (born in New Orleans), the Beltway Sniper? Or that wasn't domestic?

“On November 17, 2003, by verdict of his jury, Muhammad was convicted in Virginia of all four counts in the indictment against him: capital murder for the shooting of Dean H. Meyers; a second charge of capital murder under Virginia's antiterrorism statute, for homicide committed with an intent to terrorize the government or the public at large; conspiracy to commit murder; and the illegal use of a firearm.”

I'm looking forward to the day when Republicans will argue that Bush never existed. period.


Damon
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 11:44 am

DC Sniper Anthrax Shoe bomber 9/11 No attacks after 9/11? Keep drinking!!!!!!


oregondan
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 11:46 am

I think there has been a large amount of anti gay legislation that has passed in many states in the last year under Obama. Obama has conveniently dodged the issue, just like Clinton did. I'm not sure which is worse, the guy who tells you that he thinks its wrong, or the two guys that lie to your face about it to get your support, then don't actually do anything to support your cause.


oregondan
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 11:50 am

I think Janet Reno also walked into Willy's office and asked if they should take Bin Laden off of Sudan's hands. Sudan wanted to release him from prison and gave us the option to pick him up. Willy must have been busy at the time because he turned it down. I think Willy also saw the parking lot bomb in 93 on WTC, and the USS Cole, and the Embassies. Again, Willy was a busy guy in his office, he just didn't get around to those.


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marvincaldwellbarr
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 11:53 am

This article is an oxymoron.


IHO
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 11:53 am

You must be F***ing stupid. The democrats have been responsible for all attackes on US proprerty since 1941. That includes FDR, Clinton, and BO. Get off the Bush kick. or is it that you have nothing else you can talk about.


IHO
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 11:53 am

You must be F***ing stupid. The democrats have been responsible for all attackes on US proprerty since 1941. That includes FDR, Clinton, and BO. Get off the Bush kick. or is it that you have nothing else you can talk about.


Scott
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 11:54 am

I will clarify. Domestic terrorist DEFINATELY existed which Bush was in office. In fact, they have in every single presidency. You could even call Columbine “terrorism” because it fits the definition (sort of). and every president in charge during that time is responsible for those actions, though I personally hold the local authorities much more responsible for “local” terrorists. Bush atleast tried a new approach in combating all terrorists when he instilled the patriot act, which is obviously very controversial and SHOULD be, but at the same time, that is what it will take to prevent terrorism in this country.

The point I'm really trying to make is against the extremist we are at WAR with. I applaud Oregondan for pointing out that Obama refuses to call these people terrorists or combatants when that is obviously what they are. They should at the very LEAST be held as prisoners of War and not allowed to stand trial where they will most likely live out the rest fo their days in a nice tax payer funded cell with a life much better than in the deserts of the middle east.
Bush was NOT a “great” president. We haven't had a “great” president in a VERY long time. And we probably won't for a very long time (assuming the nation hasn't fallen apart withint the next 10-20 years)…Our poor children…


Ham Bone
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 11:55 am

So Obama inherited a failed system from his predecessor but Bush didn't? Yep, makes perfect sense….to an idiot.


strangely_enough
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 12:01 pm

WIN!1! MOST INANE COMMENT OF THE DAY!!!111!!!


oregondan
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 12:01 pm

So you must be advocating the monitoring of Mosques in the USA to prevent the home grown terrorists? Like the DC Snipers, Ft Hood, the NY guys trying to buy a missile, Ft Dix etc. I'm sure Obama, Bush, and Clinton wouldn't advocate that, even though that may be our only defense.


Scott
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 12:02 pm

P.S. The only point to this author's article is to draw in clicks because of the obviously fradulent statement made in the article's title. From a google news search this type of title obviously stands out. so when you click on it it gives the website (and the author) money and/or fame. Granted my repeated comments probably contribute to this, but the majority of you are smart enough to have already realized this fact. I just thought i'd point it out for the rest of you.


Oliver
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 12:04 pm

You people should go back and read Condi Rice's testimonial to the 9/11 commision. They had the intel. Facts are facts. At this point, who cares who's to blame. This is just Rudy putting party ahead of country. Same with Cheney running his mouth. Keep defending these people. They're the worst kind of Americans.


browardbuilder
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 12:05 pm

It's all a plot to keep us running scared so we do not progress and challenge the big industry in business and power. If we keep up our “you lead, we follow” attitude, we will all be slaves in less than 50 years.
Wake up America… Does this country seem to be going down the path of democracy?
Demand the abolishment of property taxes, lobbyists, and the party system so we can get our country back on track to becoming the democracy it once was.
Propaganda will only turn you into puppets and followers.
Think for yourselves, demand change and answers.
Your children will lead better lives if you start acting now.


Name
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 12:05 pm

Dear Mr. Scott:
First, let's quit pointing fingers at each other and start pointing them at the terrorist. The terrorist are responsible for the attacks and not any politician, especially given the fact that neither president works at the airline checking people on planes. Second, the fact is there were terrorist attacks after 9/11, (yes, while Bush was in office). The shoe bomber, anthrax, DC sniper, to name a few. Oh, and the shoe bomber was tried in the federal criminal justice system. Oh, and the terrorist in the Ft. Hood shooting was in the military under the Bush administration and he could of just as easily went on his rampage then, too.


tonytr
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 12:06 pm

Excuse me republican big mouthed military brainwashed $#@! 911 happened during the Bush administration, period! What planet are you from? Uranus naturally. Obama has his own problems but at least he can, read and speak eliquently in public. Politicians will NEVER get it right,the US government has too many interests and will always had haters against us. Kiss your land of the free goodbye because it's only going to get worse. Who cares what happened under whom? That's the problem with this country these days. It can and will happen under ANY President. This country isn't the United States any longer, it's the Divided States of America.

Independant


strangely_enough
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 12:06 pm

Yeah, that way the McVeighs and Rudolphs of the world can go about their business unmolested.


Irish_Wake
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 12:07 pm

Clinton personally told President Bush that bin-Laden was his greatest threat.
W told the outgoing President that Saddam was a greater threat.

The infamous NIE underlined the known threat.
W told the CIA officers: “OK, you've covered your ass.”

The system is flawed, not failed. Those who use these tools incorrectly will fail.

Some things do make perfect sense.
Learning history's lessons makes perfect sense.
Rewriting history does not.


oregondan
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 12:10 pm

Yes Bush had 8 months of Intel. Clinton had 8 years.

Party before Country? Democrats never do that, especially not with Healthcare behind closed doors, with out any outside input from the other party. Its going to be transparent and on C-Span right Mr Obama?

What was untrue that Cheney said? I understand you may not like him, but what did he say that was untrue?


Scott
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 12:13 pm

lol Notice the lack on tonytr's eloquence or colloquilism? Anyone wanna place a bet on which side he votes for? But I agree with him on one point. This country is going the wayward path or Rome's footsteps. If there were footsteps in the snow to follow we'd be “trompin” in them. The Repubs and the Dems are all so corrupt and few of them resemble my beliefs. So I have little confidence in “change” without a completely radical change in the attitude of the PEOPLE! the reason this country continues down its chaotic path is because people want the government to do everything for them. Well you know what? Get your lazy butts up, teach your kids to do well in school, make sure they get in to college and pass, train them up in the way they should go so that when the next generation takes over, change will finally happen for the BETTER! Oh, but who am I kidding, the majority of the people who read this website's articles ARE the lazy people who want the government doing everything for them! I just hope my heart felt speach has at least caused you to think for yourselves for once.


Scott
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 12:13 pm

lol Notice the lack on tonytr's eloquence or colloquilism? Anyone wanna place a bet on which side he votes for? But I agree with him on one point. This country is going the wayward path or Rome's footsteps. If there were footsteps in the snow to follow we'd be “trompin” in them. The Repubs and the Dems are all so corrupt and few of them resemble my beliefs. So I have little confidence in “change” without a completely radical change in the attitude of the PEOPLE! the reason this country continues down its chaotic path is because people want the government to do everything for them. Well you know what? Get your lazy butts up, teach your kids to do well in school, make sure they get in to college and pass, train them up in the way they should go so that when the next generation takes over, change will finally happen for the BETTER! Oh, but who am I kidding, the majority of the people who read this website's articles ARE the lazy people who want the government doing everything for them! I just hope my heart felt speach has at least caused you to think for yourselves for once.


Scott
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 12:13 pm

lol Notice the lack on tonytr's eloquence or colloquilism? Anyone wanna place a bet on which side he votes for? But I agree with him on one point. This country is going the wayward path or Rome's footsteps. If there were footsteps in the snow to follow we'd be “trompin” in them. The Repubs and the Dems are all so corrupt and few of them resemble my beliefs. So I have little confidence in “change” without a completely radical change in the attitude of the PEOPLE! the reason this country continues down its chaotic path is because people want the government to do everything for them. Well you know what? Get your lazy butts up, teach your kids to do well in school, make sure they get in to college and pass, train them up in the way they should go so that when the next generation takes over, change will finally happen for the BETTER! Oh, but who am I kidding, the majority of the people who read this website's articles ARE the lazy people who want the government doing everything for them! I just hope my heart felt speach has at least caused you to think for yourselves for once.


Zachary
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 12:13 pm

The security issues that let to 911 were from the Clinton ERA period. Yes 911 happened under Bush but the conditions that led to it were not Bush's fault. Obviously Giulani was referring to any attacks POST 911. We are still in a recession and unemployment continues to rise… is Obama getting blamed for this? I think not.


Zachary
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 12:13 pm

The security issues that let to 911 were from the Clinton ERA period. Yes 911 happened under Bush but the conditions that led to it were not Bush's fault. Obviously Giulani was referring to any attacks POST 911. We are still in a recession and unemployment continues to rise… is Obama getting blamed for this? I think not.


Zachary
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 12:13 pm

The security issues that let to 911 were from the Clinton ERA period. Yes 911 happened under Bush but the conditions that led to it were not Bush's fault. Obviously Giulani was referring to any attacks POST 911. We are still in a recession and unemployment continues to rise… is Obama getting blamed for this? I think not.


oregondan
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 12:18 pm

Its “Eloquently” and Obama can read a teleprompter very well. And I agree our two party system is merely a competition to stay in power. Term Limits, and Line Item Veto are what's needed to keep the 535 legislators, and 1 president, working for the 308 Million of us that employ them.


JamesHovland
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 12:19 pm

If America had wanted another Bush we would have voted for one. We didn't, we voted for change, and the right-wingers need to understand that.

The GOP has fallen, and can't get up. Fear and giddy just isn't a quality platform anymore, and so the majority of their support is jumping ship..

The war on terror is a right-wing excuse for engaging in terror. You can not bomb the hate out of people, you can only bomb it into them. Bush and his bots did a great job at that, and not much else.

It's important to note that the GOP is not the source of propaganda, but rather a product of it. Their core is the susceptibility to propaganda. Once you understand the puppet, pulling the strings is just a free market opportunity for those dreaming of a Capitalist utopia.

We were warned about the Military Industrial Complex, yet we failed to listen. It's clear now that for some, peace is nothing but a bad day in the stock market that they're trying to avoid at all costs. They say: Freedom is not free, but if it has to be taken from someone else to be given to me… I don't want it. Not their brand of freedom anyway.

Think about their pursuits. Why do they want us to remember 911? So we can hate like they do? No thanks. I'm not interested in the cycle of stupidity known as revenge.

America is the union of the world, and for that reason, to wage war anywhere is to wage war on our family, our friends, our roots. It's not reasonable to expect that of anyone. I think Fort Hood was an excellent example of this conflict.

Why do they hate us? They think were all the same. They think we're all like Bush and the bots who followed him. They think violence is the only language we know, because that's the impression our war on terror has left them with.

It's up to us to let the world know the truth, and start leading by example.

War and peace are conditions, but war is an active means of control, whereas peace is not. To be an alternative, our options must also be active means of control. Our options are Leadership, Education, Public Relations, Propaganda etc…

Instead of a peace movement, what we need is a leadership movement. Instead of Demonizing we need to Humanize. The list goes on, and as the options grow, the acts of desperation known as terror and war becomes less and less acceptable, not just to us, but to our “enemies” as well.


Hifidelity
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 12:19 pm

Seems odd that 90% of the comments to this quote basically try to come across as original thoughts when they were mentioned in the opening paragraphs of the ABCnews blog (i.e. 9/11 and Reid). How about we add some actually smart discussion instead of repeating 100 times what has already been said in the blog. Or get someone to blog who uses their own thoughts rather than plagiarize from other sources wihtout any actual personal insights of their own.

My 2 cents-

Clinton- tore down military and intelligence and allowed binLaden to escape 3 times. He didn't go after USS Cole or the Embassy bombers the way he should have. Domestic terror such as WTC and OKC bombings as well.

Bush- 9/11 (share blame with Clinton, sine it was 8 months into his tenure- though he had information, so did the previous president wihtout acting at all either), anthrax, beltway sniper, Ried, 2 wars.

Obama- Christmas “liar liar pants on fire” plane bomber boy (BTW, he didn't come off vacation, or issue a statement for 2 days?), Ft Hood (it was terrorist…connected to the same people as the 253 wannabe), turncoat agent killing 7 CIAs, and then mirandizing terrorists plus whatever else we don't know about (like what we don't about under Bush and Cinton; et al. there are suich things as secrets).

Look, obviously Giuliani knows 9/11 happened, he was there and ran on it as his platform for 2008. Too bad no actual conservatives like the guy, nor believe he should be counted a republican (like McCain shouldn't be, nor shoulf Bush have been. Far from Conservatives). I read this as after 9/11, but thats still wrong as has been pointed out. We can basically agree that what he said was misleading at worst, and mis-spoken at best (much like anything that comes out of a politician's mouth…trust but verify doesn't hold much water–trust no one holds more true). Politicians in and out of power speak what needs to be said to gain or keep power whether it is true or not.

Why are we suprised when we catch a politician being less-than-truthful? But I hold the same standards to the right and to the left–might not be a bad idea for all of us to. We'd all see that 99% are liars, cronies, crooks, and cheaters. No one party is more prone than the other. Here comes the obligatory “we are all citizens of the US and need to hold our officials accountable” part of the post; post it hardly seems relevant since the ones who speak are either hell-bent on oneside or the other regardless of facts.


strangely_enough
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 12:22 pm

What exactly does calling someone a “terrorist” accomplish? Seriously?

a nice tax payer funded cell

You have got to be kidding…


Irish_Wake
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 12:23 pm

How can so much willful ignorance be contained in so few sentences?


R. P.
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 12:31 pm

If a Democrat had been president when 9 months into his/her administration (after being warned by the likes of Richard Clarke to focus on Al Qaeda) the 9-11 attacks had happened, do you think the Republicans would have let him/her off as easily as Bush got off? Who was fired after 9-11? Who resigned? Ditto re the WMD in Iraq? When Bush administration figures failed, they received medals and pensions. How many spending bills did Bush veto while he was president? How much did the Bush Tax Cut cost in terms of the deficit?


Grant_X
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 12:32 pm

Yeah. Party before country with respect to our security…that's what the Republican party has been doing. And Rudy is doing it right now. Read the above article again if you do not believe me.

You got the Dems on the healthcare bill though. I mean, that's the same as the talking point Rudy brought up! They aren't meeting in public. Oh no! Do you think any politician in congress, Republican and Democrat alike, will speak candidly in front of cameras? You could go ahead and film the proceedings, but the real conversations will still happen outside the chamber. And besides, this has nothing to do with rudy putting party in front of our nations security issues.


Bee
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 12:33 pm

Thank you!!!!!!!!!!! Please get on TV somewhere and keep repeating it. So obnoxious.


oregondan
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 12:34 pm

That sounds nice and very poetic. Look at a country like the Sudan, where Arab Muslims killed off the African natives, African Christians, and now committing genocide against the African Muslims, (because a 'real' Muslim cannot be African in their mind). Organizations and Religions that advocate this kind of hate existed LONG BEFORE BUSH. There are plenty of conflicts in the world involving Muslims hating their neighbors and committing terror without us interfering. Sri Lanka, Indonesia, Georgia, Albania, Kashmir, Philippines. Freedom is not free. But it is more noble to fight for freedom and equality, than to fight for domination and oppression of other races, women, and the poor.


SelectiveMemory
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 12:35 pm

Even if he meant the failed attempt on flight 253, he's forgetting Richard Ried. That was under Bush.


Hifidelity
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 12:39 pm

RE: JamesHovland

Stated “Why do they hate us? They think were all the same. They think we're all like Bush and the bots who followed him. They think violence is the only language we know, because that's the impression our war on terror has left them with.”

Which is why they've never been violent before Bush. Makes sense. Al Qaeda and terrorism started when Bush went to war in Afghanistan and Iraq. Never terrorism before that. Nothng against capitalism, nothing against Israel, nothing against Christians and Jews, nothing against non-Muslims at all.

Wait…I seem to recall Radical Muslim Jihadists, and terrorists no taffiliated with Jihad acting out before Bush? But wait, that would completely render a radical leftist tactic void, so I must be mistaken. Tactics like that from the right and left are the reason we don't know liberty and security from a hole in the ground.

I have to echo Washington when he said that loyalty to a political party or ideal would be deadly to liberty.


Grant_X
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 12:40 pm

Clinton did have issues. This is why I wouldn't vote for his wife.

You know, most of us who couldn't stand Bush weren't big Clinton fans either, we just remember things weren't nearly as bad with Clinton in office that when Bush was. We also recognized that only James Buchannan screwed up our nation worse than Bush did (some believe Bush was the worst, but I digress) and as you might recall, Lincoln, a civil war, and U.S. Grant weren't enough to really heal our nation. So it actually does makes sense to blame Bush for 911 and to understand that our “beefed up” security left over from the Bush era was to blame for this most recent FAILED attempt.


R. P.
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 12:44 pm

Rudy puts party ahead of country, and Rudy ahead of everyone. (Anyone remember Bernard Kerik?) Cheney is helping the goals of the terrorists, which, in a word, is terror. (Cheney wants us to be afraid, very afraid. ) The War On Terror is like saying we should have a War On Airpower. Terror is a tactic.


oregondan
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 12:45 pm

If Rudy is putting the party before the country, that must be because you don't agree with his party. Where are the people from the party you agree with standing up and saying that Napolitano is wrong? Standing up and saying that we need 'Change' in the system, not just more invasive screening. It seems like only one side is concerned with security, and trying terrorists differently than common thieves. Its too bad, because when only half of the political spectrum stands up, either way, all issues become a political gain/loss and nothing is accomplished or fixed.


Grant_X
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 12:45 pm

It validates the “terrorist” as a threat to the group of people that the “terrorist” is trying to threaten.

It basically says, “Yeah, you are what you want to be. Good job. Keep up the good work so that we can keep sending taxpayer money to our military.”

Calling them a criminal, which is exactly what they are, would not strike fear in the hearts of Americans because we all know how to avoid being victims of crime, but we have a harder time avoiding being victims of terrorism.


Marconi
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 12:47 pm

Er, there were more under Bush: The DC sniper shootings, for one


R. P.
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 12:50 pm

8 years of Intel, much of which Richard Clarke tried to get Bush and Rice to focus one, especially during the summer of 2001 when Bush was more interested in one of his long vacations. Bush/Cheney focused only on Iraq.


Grant_X
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 12:50 pm

Why then did all of these religions and organizations that advocated this kind of hate wait until Bush was in office to attack US soil?


Grant_X
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 12:52 pm

You managed to do it in just one, so…


Marconi
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 12:52 pm

“My 2 cents-

Clinton- tore down military and intelligence and allowed binLaden to escape 3 times. “

Not worth the 2 cents, since the above is simply on par with “no domestic terror attacks happened under Bush”

And as to letting bin Laden escape, it was Bush. At Tora Bora.

“The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him.”
- G.W. Bush, 9/13/01

“I want justice…There's an old poster out West, as I recall, that said, 'Wanted: Dead or Alive,'”
- G.W. Bush, 9/17/01, UPI

“…Secondly, he is not escaping us. This is a guy, who, three months ago, was in control of a county [sic]. Now he's maybe in control of a cave. He's on the run. Listen, a while ago I said to the American people, our objective is more than bin Laden. But one of the things for certain is we're going to get him running and keep him running, and bring him to justice. And that's what's happening. He's on the run, if he's running at all. So we don't know whether he's in cave with the door shut, or a cave with the door open — we just don't know….”
- Bush, in remarks in a Press Availablity with the Press Travel Pool,
The Prairie Chapel Ranch, Crawford TX, 12/28/01, as reported on
official White House site

“I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority.”
- G.W. Bush, 3/13/02

“I am truly not that concerned about him.”
- G.W. Bush, repsonding to a question about bin Laden's whereabouts,
3/13/02 (The New American, 4/8/02)


Robert
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 12:56 pm

The problem with politics is, it makes reasonable, intelligent men like Giuliani rave and rant misrepresentations to suit their agenda for the day. Betrand Russell commented that power corrupts but absolute power corrupts absolutely. Politics, is unfortunately about power and is self-serving.


Damon
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 1:02 pm

no just stating attacks under Bush you moron.


captainkona
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 1:08 pm

Get off the Bush Dick. And wipe your mouth while you're at it.

Not only did 9/11 happen on BushCo's watch…. Bush, Cheney and the PNAC traitors aided and abetted the attack. Then intentionally let Bin Laden go free at Tora Bora so he could plot again.

George Bush is a traitor and so are his supporters.


ronlawson
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 1:10 pm

You did Oregondan get the meaning of his word an dBush could not even read a telepromter very well. But of course Obamba is the only President to use one.The only president that did not was another very well spoken man Bill Clinton.


Hifidelity
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 1:11 pm

I'm glad you read my post that mentioned the sniper :-) And he also had 8 years to rack up all his attacks. We are working on year 1 (which, Bush's year one was horrifying…as well as several of his subsequent years)


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captainkona
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 1:14 pm

Clinton did nothing of the kind and I want to see your DD214.
What did your Jody ass do in the service? Wash dishes?

I know you never dove into the hawk. Googliani is a coward and so are his supporters. And my rope is blue, boy.


ronlawson
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 1:14 pm

Everything he said was untrue.


Andrew Stagenhorst
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 1:15 pm

Obviously Giuliani was speaking on a post 9/11 environment. As this has become a typical statement from the right. This article is garbage.


rp
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 1:15 pm

By the 8 months vs. 8 years logic, Bush had 7 years – much of it with a Republican Congress – to get the intelligence systems' problems and airport security worked out in order to prevent the shoe bomber/flight 253 scenario from happening again. And he failed. He also had 8 years to fix healthcare and address the deficit. And he failed. That's why we have elections.


damionwagner
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 1:16 pm

I find it funny people are calling you a weasel for calling Giuliani a weasel. Stay strong and please continue to let us know when these politicians spin a self-serving web of lies.

A reminder for all to consider is that on September 17, 2001 Osama Bin Laden said he wasn't behind attacks.


ronlawson
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 1:19 pm

Health care behind closed door my behind.It has been out in the public for almost a year.The republicans have offered buying insurence across state lines as theie plan to fix it all.Give me a break.If that was the only answer do you not think the Dems would not have grabbed it for their own.


rp
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 1:20 pm

But why DID everyone let the Bush Administration off so easily for its intelligence failures that allowed 9-11 and the search for/war over non existent WMD to happen? And why aren't Bush's 7 post 9-11 years blamed for the lack of effective airport security and intelligence coordination that ended up in Obama's lap? Bush had 7 years to get that house in order.


Hifidelity
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 1:20 pm

Certainly Bush dropped the ball big time on bin Laden, and there are more attacks not enumerated in the post ( it was a short list of very memorable moments to me, sorry if it wasn't all encompassing). Also….what was with leaving the front and going to Iraq? oil? pretty sure we were screwed on that too.

As for my CLinton comment-it is not on par with the no domestic attacks under Bush, since the no attacks is completely false; and the Clinton let bin Laden escape and reducing military/intelligence during his tenure is true. Your argument, like many idealogical arguments on both sides of the isle, is like the Titanic– grand and immense, until it hits the iceburg of truth and quickly snaps in half taking most down with it. It is fortunate that there are people who toe no right or left/ republican or democrat party line out there to call out inconsistencies in all arguments.


oregondan
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 1:24 pm

Really? Were you around in 1993 the first time they attempted the WTC bombing? But if I follow your point, we should not have fought in WWII until after Pearl Harbor was hit? That's how it played out, but if we had moved into Europe to help, and the Pearl Harbor was hit, I think we would hear the same question, “did we bring it on ourselves?” Possibly, but the war raged long before we got into it. What did Bush do before 9/11 to bring this on? I'm pretty sure he and Obama equally have bowed to the Saudi's.


Andrew Stagenhorst
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 1:26 pm

I agree that terrorist activities did happen post 9/11 – just saying that this article is primarily stretching a Rudy statement out of context. The argument could have and should have been made in a more intelligent way. But then again – it wouldn't have this attention without a radical headline like it does.


oregondan
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 1:28 pm

obviously from the hearings, trials, history, the media, movies, books, and even many comments on this page, Bush did not get off so easy. And Bush is to blame for not changing how we profile passengers to catch such an easy target as this panty bomber. Obama is only to blame about his response, (napolitano) and how the terrorist is tried. That is what Rudy was going after.


ronlawson
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 1:31 pm

Dam Scott,
The world is falling apart and we are all going to hell.We have never had a so called great president.They were all just men trying to do what is best for our country.Obamba is doing the same.Bush did a terrible job because he was lead by the nose by a warmonger that refused to go to war himself.I think Bush was a good man unto himself and would have made the right decisions if left to do so.


Hifidelity
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 1:37 pm

Because if Bush's 8 months in office were to blame for 9/11, them Obama's 9 months are for FT Hood, and his 11 months for Christmas bombing. As well as for the CIA bombing in the middle east.

Of course these things should have been fixed before now, but if you move into a house with a leaky toilet that you promised to fix, do you wait until the tub falls through the floor, or do you take care of quickly?

Bush should get the appropriate amount of blame, and Obama as well. Clinton could have helped with Al Qaeda and 9/11 since they had the intel that was handed to Bush. No President is blameless for what happens during their administration, but we also need to look at how long they had. Bush should've acted on his intel…faulty intel from a faulty intel community and a lack to follow-through from a lack-luster intel community. Should've fixed it when he took office. So should've Obama. He said he would now, I look forward to our politicians actually following-through with liberty and security sometime in the past 20 years. (20 years since I am young and will only comment on what I know/lived through).

But the article is garbage, as well as Guiliani's assertions concering domestic terrorism under Bush.


rp
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 1:40 pm

But there is a pattern here. Mary Matalin, Dana Perino, Monica Crowley, etc. (e.g., Sherman Frederick) have all also parroted the line of no domestic terrorist attacks while Bush was in office. Many people actually take these statements at face value. Giuliani knows EXACTLY what he is saying and why. Bush/Cheney get a complete pass on 9-11. That is the historical record he is trying to rewrite. Bush/Cheney also get a complete pass from the above crowd for not fixing the airport security flaws over the last 7 years of their two administrations.

http://mediamatters.org/research/201001080013


gandalong
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 1:43 pm

What is with you people and the teleprompter?????

EVERY American president has read their speeches – be it written or typed on paper or a teleprompter.

Why is this an issue for the republicans (or may I say haters of Obama)???


ronlawson
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 1:49 pm

What no one seems to realize is this all started under daddy Bush when we trotted our ass over to Kawait and interfered in mid -east business when we should have minded our own.The oil would have been for sale regardless.Do people realize that the Bush family and the Ben Laden family were and probably still are in business together.


oregondan
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 1:51 pm

I agree. Bush is responsible for the Christmas Panty Bomber. Obama is only responsible for how he responds and how his 'suspect' not terrorist is tried. We will see how/if Obama can do any better on Healthcare, I imagine it will be shot down the same as when Bush tried to change Social Security. There are enough conflicting angles that nothing gets changed.


ronlawson
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 1:52 pm

Spencer keep reporting.You are doing just fine.


ronlawson
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 1:55 pm

Alot of people should have listened to Richard Clarke.and the inspecter that told any one that would listen that there was no WMD in Iraq.


Hifidelity
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 1:56 pm

complete pass on 9-11? in what alternate universe did this happen? Bush and Cheney got nothing but railed the entire 8 years in office, and blamed for everything including hurricance Katrina.

Am I one of the crowd that gives him a pass on security too? Since you are all-knowing with your media matters story? I'm pretty sure I implicated the former President in his lacking abailties. The problem is you read too much far leftist propaganda (media matters, daily kos, move on. It'd be like me reading Rush or Hannity (far right propaganda) and saying–well this is the news completely unbiased and 100% true.

RP want a cracker?


oregondan
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 1:56 pm

the topic has been public, but the deals like with Kansas, etc that eventually sell out the bill, and water it down to nothing, that is all done in secret. But the difference isnt over solutions its over philosophy. There are some that want a system that everyone is forced on, the govt gets more power and control of your life. The philosophy that Govt can solve all your problems. Then there is the philosophy that if insurance companies weren't mandated by the govt to sell everyone the Cadillac Escalade of insurance, then people could have more options. I think this would only work, if there was also MAJOR law reform on suit liability. But both parties like the donations from the lawyers.


Hifidelity
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 1:58 pm

except he didn't report–he just took the GMA blog and paraphrased it.


ben franklin
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 1:58 pm

“United we stand, Divided we fall” wake up america!


Hifidelity
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 2:03 pm

Of course Daddy Bush should've never meddled in an Arab country…thats foreign policy 101. Unless they attack you, leave them the heck alone. They far outnumber us, and are much more ruthless. We fight with a hand tied behind our back due to Geneva, and they do what they want for they have no uniform.

And GWB should never have gone to Iraq. Afghanistan, yes–and pushed and won, and left. And no more imperial Americanism. Let's just be America within our borders.

But as far as Bush and Bin Ladin being in cohoots…I don't know of the payoff for that, but never write anything off completely. Of course Obama's criminal cronies get a pass from most media as well, so I suppose it may be fair in some twisted DC power way.


rp
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 2:03 pm

You mean all those speeches by Democrats right after 9-11 denouncing the Bush Administration, and blaming them for 9-11, and all those individuals in the Bush Administration forced to resign over the intelligence failures that allowed it to happen? DID NOT HAPPEN. How about giving them the Medal of Freedom? How about the Dems joining with the Republicans patriotically and supporting the President, and applauding his actions? That's how I remember it, and I live in view of the WTC towers and watched them burn. It was the Iraq obsession/folly that brought Bush/Cheney blame.


Bork
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 2:03 pm

He means after 9/11. All this security stuff implemented since then is because of 9/11. Duh!


oregondan
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 2:05 pm

Did i say anything about hate? Clinton was a terrific speaker, and no, not EVERY president read their speeches. Clinton only did for State of the Union. And certainly NO president needed a teleprompter or a speech to announce an appointee, or to address a delegation. It has more to do with his experience than anything. Clinton could talk, Bush stammered, Obama reads. It has nothing to do with hate. Its just obvious.


rp
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 2:08 pm

Media Matters primarily supplies verbatim transcripts/clips of what people say. That's why the Right paints it as so dangerous.

FYI, I watch Beck and/or Hannity and O'Reilly as well as Maddow and/or the rebroadcast of Olbermann. I am quite able to separate propaganda from analysis.


chrisjay
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 2:08 pm

so…the shoe bomber and the anthrax attacks weren't domestic attacks? After 9/11?
Is that your final answer, Bork????


Name
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 2:08 pm

There was a terrorist attack on US soil under Clinton–the first WTC attack–for which he rightly received no blame, since he had just come into office. But what was he doing for the next 8 years? Certainly the country was not led to believe we were in any danger. Then came 9/11, which likewise happened early in the new President's term. Bush, however, took a different approach, emphasizing the danger and taking active steps to prevent another attack. There was the shoe-bomber in late 2001, but after that, nothing for the rest of his term. The logical inference is that, when Obama took office, he eased up on terror. His disavowal of the term “war on terror” certainly suggests as much. So I do think Obama is much more to blame than Bush was in 2001.


Reality
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 2:09 pm

Bush planted seeds, they take time to grow.


chrisjay
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 2:11 pm

Garbage? Don't even get me started about how energetically Bush & Cheney resisted & stalled investigations into 9/11.
You Fox folks have a pathetically selective memory


gandalong
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 2:13 pm

No one said you said anything about hate! Comprehension does not seem to be your strong suit.

You lie on the Clinton statement, he did use teleprompters for more than just State of the Union. When he had important statements to make he regularly used one. Speeches are read by presidents not because they are dumb or inexperienced but because on a daily basis they give a lot of speeches, writing them down and reading them is not a bad idea. Lincoln read his speeches!

What is obvious is your dislike for this president and you will look for anything to whip him with. What does his reading a teleprompter have to do with ANYTHING??? How does that make him a better or worse leader as long as he get his points across?


oregondan
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 2:18 pm

wow, must have hit pretty close to the mark on that one. Sorry to get you so riled up. And clearly no one every criticized past presidents. I'm sure you never did. So I apologize if I am “whipping” him by stating the obvious.


gandalong
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 2:25 pm

Not riled up – just calling you out

You still didn't answer the question – What has using a teleprompter got to do with any of the issues the president has to face?????


chrisjay
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 2:30 pm

Wrong.
When Clinton launched missile attacks against binLaden (do the math: pre-9/11) and his known assets he was loudly criticicized by Republicans in Congress.
When his Nat'l security people handed the alQaeda intel over to President Bush, Dick Clarke said “you guys have no idea how much time & energy you will be expending on these folks”—-the Bushies basically said, 'yeah, whatever' —- then there was the infamous briefing paper read directly to Bush in 8/01 :”bin Laden determined to strike the US…with airplanes” ….but of course it was Clinton's fault…


Zeekojr
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 2:31 pm

Mr. Ackerman-
Your post is just as biased/imprecise/inaccurate. Flight 253 WAS an attack. A failed attack is an attack none the less. Further, if the Anthrax situation was an attack, as you rightly believe, then the Fort Hood incident was just as much so. And if Bush is to blame for 9/11 because it happen in his 8th month of office, then the Finance, Housing, and Unemployment disasters we're now facing are Obama's fault. Be consistent!


oregondan
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 2:33 pm

Just as I said above: It has more to do with his experience than anything.

Just like his 'diplomacy skills' in giving the Prime Minister of the UK a box of DVD's as a gift.

When the Prime Minister gave him a first edition signed book, and a pen that was made from the wood of a freed slave trade boat from the 1800's. You know, really valuable, symbolic, statesman type of gifts. Not things you could pick up at Target.

Returning previous gifts of value is also a bad move. Like the bust of Winston Churchill, that Obama sent back to the UK. Bowing to the Japanese PM, when the other 37 nations there don't, because heads of state, don't bow to other heads of state.

Obama just shows his ineptitude in various ways. The teleprompter, like Bush's stammering, is just an easy way of pointing it out.


chrisjay
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 2:37 pm

This non-issue of teleprompters may have something to do with our ex-president's dyslexia—maybe he has it in for the devices 'cause he blames them for his 8 years of hilarious and goofy verbal gaffes, I can see Karl Rove starting a campaign to smear teleprompting due to his manfriend's traumas with 'em…


chrisjay
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 2:40 pm

you are chronologically challenged, Zee. Even McCain must remember that the economic meltdown occurred under Bush.
Sheesh.
talk about inconsistent


gandalong
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 7:47 pm

Of course he is in experienced, this is his first time being president LMAO. You are really pulling at straws here

My question is even more relevant following your last rant:

What has using a teleprompter got to do with any of the major issues facing the president??

You guys have made it such a big issue. By the way google Reagan and teleprompter. You guys never saw it as a problem them.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 7:58 pm

151 days as a US Senator is the only qualification President Obama has. That is what makes him inexperienced, not because it is his first term. Actually the least experienced president ever. And I don’t have a problem with any President using a teleprompter, it just seems odd when one needs it for a 1 min 30 second introduction. (PM of China asked that same question.) So it may not portray the best image around the world, because they actually pay attention to his level of experience also. But its obvious he is your guy, and you can easily dismiss the facts.


kathleen haugh
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 4:04 pm

Re. 9/11…weren't we all slobbering over the smarmy details of Clinton's dalliance in the Oval Office with Monica just prior to 9/11? So, while the Republicans made hay, admittedly pretty pornographic and disgusting hay, with the Lewinsky scandal, Bin Laden was gleefully planning the attack on the U.S., probably thinking the whole time what morons the Americans were. Who was concentrating on terrorism when we could be tittilated with the details of how Monica got that stain on her dress.???? Whoever said (I think it was Barnum of Barnum and Bailey) that no one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people had it right. I am a conservative at heart, and was a long-time Republican, but cannot vote for a Republican as long as the party is controlled by the right-wing idiologues who use every disgusting trick imaginable to defeat the opposition…the campaign in the South against John McCain in 2000 is a good example (look it up is you don't know what happened there)…smarmy is too nice a word to describe them.


Andrew Stagenhorst
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 4:18 pm

I am simply talking about this article and how the comment is taken out of context NOT placing blame on any political party or person. And what does this have to do with Fox News? Seems to me political hacks are on all sides of the spectrum.


Andrew Stagenhorst
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 4:19 pm

I am simply talking about this article and how the comment is taken out of context NOT placing blame on any political party or person. And what does this have to do with Fox News? Seems to me political hacks are on all sides of the spectrum.


Gary Myrick
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 4:32 pm

If the most that had happened under Bush was Ft. Hood and the Christmas bombing, tragic as the former may be, we would be a hell of a lot better off today and thousands of people would still be alive (and by the way, Ft. Hood could just as easily have happened under Bush, who was president when the Ft. Hood shooter was transferred there).

As for Clinton, he was criticized every time he attacked Al Qaeda for distracting us from the Monica Lewinsky stupidity and his administration emphatically warned Bush's but was ignored.


chrisjay
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 5:07 pm

Actually, at the height of the Lewinsky debacle, Clinton bombed a pharmaceutical plant in Somalia which was linked to binLaden. The Republicans aggressively criticized him for it, claiming that he was taking a page from the then-current film Wag the Dog—-they refused to acknowledge the possiblility that the President was confronting a legitimate enemy of the US—they basically said that this Osama bin Laden character was some straw man that Clinton had concocted in order to create a distraction…


chrisjay
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 5:43 pm

“Fox folks” is just shorthand for the monolithic position rightwingers increasingly take; easily traceable to the wingnut Mothership, Fox News.
If the article is garbage, why has Stephanopoulos virtually conceded Ackerman's point?
Yes, there are hacks on all sides—-Giuliani, however, has become such a parody of himself it is hard to imagine such a spirited defense of his tripe that isn't politically slanted. To the right.
That's my point


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Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 11:08 pm

I saw Rudy three times today trying the same thing – it was no mistake!! On Morning Joe, Mike Barnicle confronted him, on CNN, Wolf Blitzer called him on it, but George Stephanopolous just sat there!!

Enough of this Republican whoring of 9/11. It is shameless and disgusting, they are raising money on the blood of innocent people. There was the shoe bomber, the anthrax attack and the DC sniper. Rudy is a jerk, his own kids don't speak to him.


monkey99
Comment posted January 10, 2010 @ 12:09 pm

9-11 was on Bush's watch. No amount of song and dance will sweep that out from Bush's pile of failures. Kind of like we NEVER looked for Bin Laden (look over the Bush/Bin Laden oil holdings before answering that one), and Iraq was a face-saving gesture.

Nevermind the infrastructure, that was ignored the entire time Bush was in office.Now the scream is for smaller Government. Never happen. You can't address the needs of a growing populace with the shortsightedness of a smaller government.

If Giuliani had any political aspirations before his patent lie, he may as well kiss them goodbye.


Zeekojr
Comment posted January 12, 2010 @ 9:01 am

You need to learn how to rea, CJ. Try it again.


jordanrt
Comment posted January 12, 2010 @ 10:06 am

Giuliana denying that 9/11 happened under Bush's watch (whether 9/11 was real or planned, for the skeptics out there), is no different than someone deny the Holocaust happened, or happened under the Nazi's.


chrisjay
Comment posted January 12, 2010 @ 4:26 pm

Upon review, I stand corrected Zeek. My bad
On the larger issue of the egregiousness of Giulani's whopper, however, I find your point disingenuous


Swerve
Comment posted January 15, 2010 @ 9:38 am

Wow…logic is simply not an option here is it.

If 9/11 was Clinton's fault, becasue little baby Bush was still growing up 9 months into his presidency, then following same logic, Fort Hood and Delta bombing attempt is Bush's fault. Is it not?


Rick
Comment posted January 21, 2010 @ 12:01 pm

All events that occur are not the fault of the person that happens to be President at the time.


Rick
Comment posted January 21, 2010 @ 5:01 pm

All events that occur are not the fault of the person that happens to be President at the time.


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