Rep. Nathan Deal’s Birtherism, Investigated

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Rep Deal, come out of the closet & face the music:
Come out & play with us………

Man, Georgia makes my state of Illinois look good.

Excellent work, Bogus! PJ rocks!

5 Justices in the Supreme Court Reviewed eligibility cases and all 5 were referred by various Justices into the Chambers. That alone shows that there are at least 5 Supreme Court Justices that believe there is a question around Obama's eligibility. If not, then these 5 cases would never have gone into the chambers. In the chambers the justices decided that the people who brought the cases did not have standing, so the votes did not go their way. Once someone has standing Obama's eligibility will go into the full court. There is no deny that Obama's eligibilty is questionable. His father was not a US Citizen and per Vattel's Law of Nations which our constitution is based on, Obama would not be a natural born citizen. This is as clear as day and the US Supreme Court knows this, they are just wating for a person who has standing. Every american who puts the constitution first knows that there is in fact a constitutional eligibilty issue with Obama. Obama knows it too or else he wouldn't be hiding all his information around this. And people who say he is eligible also know there is a big question mark around Obama.

nice try, bub, but the judges went to chambers because they knew birfers were just going to resubmit the same files to every single judge individually.

so rather than toss out the same files 9 times individually, they decided to save their time and went to chambers collectively to toss out the files once and for all. you haven't seen them reviewing any other birfer files since them, have you? i didn't think so.

the supreme court has never questioned obama's eligibility. john roberts swore him in.

george bush has never questioned it.
john mccain has never questioned it.
dick cheney has never questioned it..
hillary clinton has never questioned it.
the republican national committee has never questioned it.
the senate has never questioned it.
the house unanimously passed a resolution confirming obama's hawaiian birth.
hawaii's health dept confirmed it
hawaii's republican governor has never questioned it.
70 million americans never questioned it.
no one who matters is still questioning it.

so get over it and get a life. you'll get another chance in 2012.

Just FYI: While registration is required at Politijab for some forums, it is a free site. Sometimes when people say “subscription only” it sounds like a paysite, so I just wanted to clarify that!

You are silly

Mike, if there were 5 justices that thought this question had any merit, any of the cases would have been granted cert, because it only takes 4.

Learn how the Supreme Court works.

All the constitution says is that the president and vice-president must be “natutral-born citizen”, over 35 years old, and have lived in America for 14. There is no where in the constitution that defines “natural-born” citizen.

Every American who puts the constitution first knows that there is absolutely no where in the constitution that supports your position.

And furthermore, there is a very easy explanation for what natural born citizen means, accepted by most rational, non-grandstanding people and politicians for quite some time (and the Supreme Court, I might add). When someone is born a citizen, that person is a natural born citizen. A person who becomes a citizen of the United States later in life is a naturalized citizen, not a natural born citizen.

Also, our Constitution is most certainly not based on Vattel's Law of Nations, and anyone who claims it was is likely not a citizen of the US, as they are woefully unfamiliar with our history. Go back where came from, imposters! ;)

aarrgghh, you JUST don't get it:
all of the people and entities which you itemized in your post are IN ON IT—-they're all in on the conspiracy. As of this week, add Glen Beck to your list. He has betrayed the Birfers-
Et tu, Beckus?

“There is no deny that Obama's eligibilty is questionable. His father was not a US Citizen and per Vattel's Law of Nations which our constitution is based on, Obama would not be a natural born citizen.”

Vattel never defined what a “natual born citizen” was. His writing concerned who was a citizen. His view was that only persons born in the country to two citizen parents could themselves be citizens. American jurisprudence has always recognized that persons born in this country are citizens at birth – therefore Vattel's proposition was and has always been expressly rejected by the courts, and later by the Fourteenth Amendment.

The “natural born citizen” phrase was inserted into translations of Vattel starting nearly a decade after the Constitution was adopted – and four decades after his treatise was originally written in French, so it is of little value in informing us as to what the Founders understood the phrase to mean.

“This is as clear as day and the US Supreme Court knows this, they are just wating for a person who has standing.”

Please support your assertions, don't just make them.

“Every american who puts the constitution first knows that there is in fact a constitutional eligibilty issue with Obama.”

There you go, turning a debate about what the Constitution provides into a pissing match over who has the politically correct fuzzy feelings and patriotic sentiments. Spare me your arrogance and elitism, and stick to the facts.

Ok, with all the discourse about Vattel and the “natural born citizen” definition aside, what is the excuse for Mr. Bongo being unwilling to release a long form birth certificate? What's the big deal about releasing a long form birth certificate? Hello? Bongo's background is so apocryphal he wouldn't be able to get a security clearance to work for the FBI, what makes him eligible for the Presidency? Riddle me this JOHN C: Why was McCain's eligibility the focus of a full fledged Congressional investigation with all the bells and whistles while Mr. Hussein Bongo skated without being subjected to the same level of scrutiny?

Fail.

Why TF should he? He does NOT have to address the concerns of you loons. Now go have a tea party you idiots. Give it up, you lose.

The birthers must be such an embarassment to the GOP. Really, really embarassing. There is just no excuse for grown men and women to be so nuts.

“What is the real intention of this Kenyan, Indonesian communist usurper? Is it to provide security for us or to destroy our security? Judge for yourself.
Seeing targeted destruction of our economy, our security, dissipation of American jobs, massive corruption in the Government, Congress Department of Justice and Judiciary, it might be time to start rallies and protests using our second amendment right to bare arms and organise in militias.” per Attorney Orly Taitz

Thank you for the second comment. I was a little concerned what you were referring to.

Why bother bring Ms. Taitz into this discussing. Ms. Taitz is the same lawyer who used a known forgery as part of he legal filings. Her excuses have ranged from as leverage to pledging ignorance.

Ms. Taitz entire legal argument is based on the straw man argument.

“Mr. Bongo” is an old cartoon strip. I wasn't aware that it was still running, let alone with a fake birth certificate plot.

“Birthers” are an “embarrassment to the GOP?” Really?

Most people who question Obama's background and his eligibility to serve that I know are members of the Libertarian Party.

It's great that Republicans are also now looking into this. But quite frankly they've been rather tepid, and a bit late to the game on this issue.

We Libertarians were questioning Obama's birthplace, his ties to Kenyan Communist Dictator Raila Odinga, and his radical Islamist background in Indonesia way back in 2006.

Dissapointedly, Republicans, including Rep. Deal and his staff, are being entirely too polite and accomadating to Democrat hacks and other Leftists who want to shut up any debate on this issue.

Debate? Debate? People use the facts or an honest opinion when debating. Just making things up in no ways supports ones position.

There is no debate on Obama's place of birth. A mistake is acceptable, or an incorrect assumption. However, when the facts are ignored there is no debate. It is just a person or group of people spreading rumors.

It is sad when a person claims that Rep Deal and others are being too polite.

There is a simple reason for this. The implications of their behavior is that the State of Hawaii is lying and/or refusing to ensure the integrity of their vital records for all its citizens.

When you want to engage in a debate let us know we will be accommodating.

Those who spread the birther conspiracy theory are an embarrassment to those that they associate with, and are damaging the GOP. Not to worry about the Libertarian Party, we are still waiting for them to present a candidate who could become a state or federal level politician.

I believe our lovely first lady has already conclusively established our right to “bare” arms.

President Obama couldn't destroy the economy. The Republicans beat him to it.

Why are you boasting about buying into the stupidest conspiracy theory since the Moon landing hoax?

And yet another illiterate posting from someone whose first language appears to be Klingon. What is going on?

I was going to expand on my previous reply to your comment, but upon re-reading it I noticed that your comment makes no sense.

Here I was thinking that you were discussing a real person.

Who is Mr. Bongo? Are you ever disillusioned, confused, or hiding something?

The birthers are an embarrassment to themselves, primarily.

Conspiracy theories, by their very myopic visions, can never be resolved, because those devotees will never accept any evidence that resolves the issue, whether true or false, real or imagined.

Debate cannot exist where there is no middle ground. A decided MAJORITY of Americans dismiss this hoax with the prejudice it deserves, because of this.

So I have a quest for the birthers. Answer for the rest of us where Aliens come from. Are Bill, Hillary and the Obamas REALLY a part of the Bilderberg Group? Was there REALLY a guy on the grassy knoll, and who REALLY started the Chicago fire? Answer those, and I'll give you the TRUE, REAL answer to your question. Fair?

Hey, bogus, great job as always!

What is the real intention of Putinist infiltrators like Orly Taitz and her racist conspirawhacko supporters? Judge for yourself.

Oh, and 16 days 'til the 26th and still no Birther cases in the W column, Red. Care to comment or are you going to run from that prediction too?

“what is the excuse for Mr. Bongo being unwilling to release a long form birth certificate?”

I am proceeding on the assumption, based on the context of your comments, that “Mr. Bongo” is Barack Obama, President of the United States. Now that we have addressed your failed attempt at cleverness, let's get to your comments.

President Obama has provided an independent political group with a copy of an official document from the State of Hawaii which says he was born on the island of Oahu, State of Hawaii, at 7:24 p.m. on August 4, 1961. This document is “prima facie evidence” of the fact of President Obama's birth in any court of law. For reasonable people, that is more than enough proof of President Obama's birthplace.

Just because some people choose to believe that President Obama somehow falsified this COLB, or that the State of Hawaii is complicit in some coverup, doesn't mean that the rest of society needs to bend over backward to produce more evidence. In fact, for President Obama to further address this issue is to lend such idiocy unwarranted credibility.

“Bongo's background is so apocryphal he wouldn't be able to get a security clearance to work for the FBI, what makes him eligible for the Presidency?”

There is no constitutional requirement in Article II that the President be eligible for a security permit. If you can find such language, I would be interested in reviewing it.

“Riddle me this JOHN C: Why was McCain's eligibility the focus of a full fledged Congressional investigation with all the bells and whistles while Mr. Hussein Bongo skated without being subjected to the same level of scrutiny?”

This isn't hard. McCain freely admits he was not born in the United States. Furthermore, by his own admission he was born at a time (1936) when no statute conferred U.S. citizenship to persons born in his circumstances. (Although many scholars believe NBC status can include persons born outside the United States. See Presidential Elections in the United States: A Primer, issued by the Congressional Research Service. United States Congressional Research Service, 2000) Only in 1937 was such a statute passed. It is not clear whether the statute was actually retroactive in effect. Even if it were, it is not entirely clear whether a person can become a natural born citizen at some point after birth. Nonetheless, the Senate overwhelmingly considered McCain to be a natural born citizen.

Obama was born in Hawaii. No credible person in Washington disputes that. The Fourteenth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution (which I recommend you read someday) provides that he is therefore a citizen by birth. Under the historical understanding of natural born citizen, derived from English law, at the very least a person born within the territory of the United States, subject to its jurisdiction, is a nature born citizen. No credible constitutional scholar disputes this. Hence, President Obama did not “skate by” any more than has any other prior president. The facts and the law are clear, obvious, and settled to all credible observers.

One of the commonalities of Birfers and end-timers of all stripes is that they just can't resist setting themselves deadlines which will presumably vindicate their qwazy predictions—–IF they should actually come to pass. I believe that Birftards will prove to be true to form regarding the unevenful passing of said deadlines with predictions unfulfilled. Specifically, they will blunder on, unfazed by the loss of credibility (!), and proceed to set new deadlines for the glorious VINDICATION which surely lies just around the corner…

The issue regarding his eligibility is this..

There is no clearly defined case law as to what constitutes a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN.

Thus Obama has utilized that LEGAL FACT to snooker the American Public.

It is not whether he was born in Hi, or on the Moon. The first basic issue is to PROVE who his gather was. With a 'Legal' hard copy, we would have proof of when and where he was born.

The real issue is all the documents that he has sealed from public view.

• Original, vault copy birth certificate — Not released — Lawyers fees — greater than $1,000,000 — birth certificate — $15.
• Certification of Live Birth — Released – Counterfeit — Case and Affidavits
• Admitted British citizenship at birth — Confirmed via FactCheck.org/FightTheSmears.com
• Birth Announcement — Alleged to be a forgery
• Hospital of birth — Kapi’olani Medical Center won’t confirm Obama’s birth assertion; sister claims a different hospital
• Obama/Dunham marriage license — Not released
• Obama/Dunham divorce – Released (by independent investigators)
• Kindergarten records – Records lost (this is a big one — see here — read two frames)
• Soetoro/Dunham marriage license — Not released
• Soetoro adoption records — Not released
• Fransiskus Assisi School School application — Released (by independent investigators)
• Punahou School records — Not released
• Soetoro/Dunham divorce – Released (by independent investigators)
• Selective Service Registration — Released – Counterfeit — Document Locator Number update — another FOIA request
• Occidental College records — Not released
• Passport — Not released and records scrubbed clean by Obama’s terrorism and intelligence adviser
• Columbia College records — Not released
• Columbia thesis — “Soviet Nuclear Disarmament” – Not released
• Harvard College records — Not released
• Harvard Law Review articles — None
• Illinois Bar Records — Not released.
• Baptism certificate — None
• Medical records — Not released
• Illinois State Senate records — None
• Illinois State Senate schedule — Lost
• Law practice client list — Not released
• University of Chicago scholarly articles — None

You see if his father was different, if he was adopted, if he used another name other than Obama.. He would have have been guilty of fraud. Which makes his entire live a Fraud.

His admitted drug use as a High School Student, at Occidental and Columbia
may have prevented him from entering the Bar, Harvard and etc.
(Coke, Crack, Pot are tough to coverup)

Before you start complaining about 'birthers' as youself this question.

Obama is the FIRST POTUS that has no facts available about his background OTHER that what he tells us..

And guess what we already know that HE LIES.

who's “complaining” about Birfers?
I come here to mock, ridicule, and especially, to encourage Birfers to keep up their pathological obsession until the 2012 election cycle—-the better to watch rightwing candidates squirm & sweat about acknowleging, ignoring or even endorsing you loons!
The longer you stay crazy, the more fun for me, and the more political advantage for my chosen candidates–
Keep up the good work, Birfers!!!!!

I am in thorough agreement with ANYONE who believes that Barrack Hussein Obama may NOT be an American citizen! If he is, then why doesn't he simply show the RECORDS that would PROVE that he is an American citizen as the U.S. Constitution states in Article 2, Section 1, Paragraph 5. It is so SIMPLE!!! There is ABSOLUTELY no question that he is hiding something that definitely would affect his position as the President of the United States. What's so ironic is that ALL THESE OTHER PEOPLE–Judges, Congressmen, you name it–and they're supporting Barrack Hussein Obama and his awesome erratic ways!!! Somebody is going to be VERY embarrassed someday, and I don't think it's going to be too far into the future. The Lord has His Holy Devine Ways of communicating His PERFECT time and place for EVERYTHING. He has His PLAN and NOBODY–even Barrack Hussein Obama–is going to get in His Way!!

Get “Obama Nation” by Dr. Jerome Corsi; all the Whistle Blower magazines that have given TOTALITY to him; read and listen to the news. You can get these resources at: 1-800-496-3266. I CHALLENGE ALL OF YOU!!!

President Obama was born in Hawaii. The State of Hawaii has confirmed this. Anyone born in the United States is a natural born citizen. President Obama is our lawful, and seriously good-looking, president. This is the simple, uncomplicated truth.
And Kindergarten records? Seriously? Are you trying to find out if our president tugged on any little girls' pigtails?

pat…….you said “Riddle me this JOHN C: Why was McCain's eligibility the focus of a full fledged Congressional investigation with all the bells and whistles while Mr. Hussein Bongo skated without being subjected to the same level of scrutiny?”

The answer is THE MCCAIN ELIGIBILITY FOCUS IS A LIE…….THIS DID NOT HAPPEN – THERE WAS NO HEARING REGARDING MCCAIN'S ELIGIBILITY, THERE WAS ONE SENTENCE INSERTED REGARDING MCCAIN AT A HEARING ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE…….YOU ARE A STOOPID BIRFER…….

miller, damn your English is bad…..but anyway, you're doing an awful lot of “if this……..if that.” How about this “if”: if a dog had a square booty, he'd shit bricks…..you can if your way to the moon and Barack Obama will still be President of the United States……..so have at it!!

nrha37…………..President Barack Obama has already proven that he was born in Hawaii. You are another stoopid birfer, nrha37, and probably one of naturalized citizens 25 names he uses here in this forum…….but I agree with chrisjay……we don't complain about you birfers, we mock and make fun of you and hope that you keep up the good work helping to get President Barack Obama re-elected in the next general election. Thank you so much!!!!!!!! For everything……………….

Katahdin:

I think you missed the point.. At issue is NOT WHERE he was BORN.

The issue is more than just that. If for instance he used any other name other than OBAMA and failed to report it then he may be guilty of fraud.

My research reviews copies to two diffierent divorce decrees one with Obama and the other with an adopted father Lolo Soetoro. There were and or are records of Obama attending school in Inodnesia under that name.

If he failed to report or used that name to enter college, get grants, get any funding under another name or SSN he would have been in violation of our laws IF he failed to report it on admission records, Selective Service Documents, I-9's. License to Practice law.. and the list goes on..

So yes there is more here than just where he was born. That is why I listed ALL the documents that are either incomplete, missing or may have been completed after the fact.

Since he first started running for POTUS many of the articles, documents relating to his past have 'mysteriously' disappeared from the web.

Why would one individual spent almost 1.5 Million dollars having lawyers handle keeping all records sealed.

He currently has 25 LAWYERS on staff in the White House to give him the LEGAL BRIEFS that he wants.

You need to be aware that even his HS records are sealed.. His B- Average in High School hardly warrants entry into Occidental, Columbia and Harvard.

Normally I would expect superior academic performance to get into Columbia AND Harvard. But there are no records available other than his comments about being Average at Occidental and Columbia.

At issue is his since or honor, his creditability, his integrity and the important facets of a LEADER.

My take is there is something FISHY.. and it is not that he is good-looking and etc.

I dislike liars and those that HIDE the truth.

Gotta stop slinging your Lord around like that…..He's getting a bit tattered and dog-eared.
Everybody else supports Obama because they believe and accept his legitimacy. Seemed pretty clear, from the start.
That new belief you picked up is starting to corrode and corrupt the one you're slinging around. Gotta stop it, or you'll have two beliefs that aren't worth a damn, then.

You dude:

You show me a DD214 and an IQ above mine and I might listen to you.

Until you do… this ole VET will question anything and anyone because i have been there and done that. And I am currently pis-ed off by what is going on on the Hill. True patriots know the meaning of Duty, Honor and Country.

Airborne all the Way

Jayhg,

It comes from my upbringing.. and my limited intelligence. I am like that 300 lb ape… that just walks around and stirs up SHIT.

He may be your POTUS.. but unfortunately I do not accept him as my Commander-in Chief.

He won.

BS BGSU
MBA OSU

And you will not find my name on the list.. GOT to escape and hide from the FEDS,

But the Army paid me to go to school. BEFORE you were born.

Airborne all the Way

There is no long form BC.

Hawaii stopped the practice sometime after WWII. Same for all the U.S. possessions at that time.
What you bugs saw, and were told was the REAL BC.,Was the real BC.

But I'm sure that won't be enough.

I DO, however, get a kick out of you folk……Like little rodents who like to follow one another, with a penchant for water and high cliff faces.

Why don't you show us your DD214 and your IQ test first, REMFer?

So you don't have the paperwork to back up your claims. Roger that, REMFer. Why don't you go back to your Civil War wargames and tell all your fellow racist wingnut buddies about how another uppity negro screwed you out of a job. President Barack Hussein Obama has better things to do, like being the Commander-in-Chief of our American armed forces.

LOUD NOISES

I am in thorough agreement that Jerome Corsi's book is a useless compendium of shit, and that you are in serious need of a good psychiatrist.

Look! It's Gunny's clone! Isn't this fun?

I don't believe for one minute that any member of the Airborne would post such traitorous garbage on the Internet. Please produce your discharge papers and birth certificate to prove that you are not lying, or another pseudonym of Gunny/Gummy/Red Graham/Keyes4Prez/KitKat/BillyBob/Lying Sack of Shit.

Thank you.

The issue is that you're a lying, semi-literate racist.

Go away, troll.

You know, the real veterans I know are kind of quiet about it. Like the LRP from 'Nam who breeds horses, or my uncle would never talked about the camps he saw after World War II, or all the Iraq veterans who come home and are perfectly normal until they wake screaming in the night. None of them really like wannabes who run around yelling slogans and threatening people and using military terminology they picked up from a Tom Clancy novel.

I don't think they'd like you very much.

Hey dude..

I never mentioned anything about the military.. never bragged about anything.

I am proud of my service and proud of being Airborne Infantry.

And I did serve in Vietnam.   And I NEVER talk about that.

I just get pissed at as-holes that never learned to make a decision, never had to Make A DECISON that cost people their lives. 

Yeah i was there.  AND i DID MY SHARE.

That is why… I AM CONCERNED ABOUT FREEDOM.

And I will fight for your freedom again and again.. BECAUSE
I know what freedom costs.

Ask your Uncle about making decisions, about watching others because some Politicians in Washington… would not let us fight to win the war.

Until you walk in that Uncles shoes, or walk in Mine… NEVER ever question anyone about grammar, about english.. because some out here are better than you ever thought about being.

Like I said… you show me the DD 214, the airborne infantry wings, and I will listen.

Until then… My record speaks for its self and I am proud to have served my country.

Let's see what you accomplish in 40 years.

Regards,

Airborne all the Way.

Same offer goes out to you.

Show me anything that is a lie that I have printed. Like OBAMA says you have to connect the dots. However, in his background there are no dots to connect just questions..

And calling me a racist. Now that is funny. I was all for him until I DID my research and started seeing to many gaps and half truths. I have you read his books. And then tried to backtrack what he say.

You are obviously nerrow minded, and bigoted. My best recommendation for you is to go down and sign up for the Airborne Infantry. And then spend some time under fire or better yet.. just see if you can make it through bacis and then Airborne.

You might better appreciate the Constitution, the Bill of Rights and what it means to want Freedom for politicians that lie, cheat and steal from the taxpayer.

Well..

Just for you REMF out there.. I have a honorable discharge. DD214 has some awards?

For all you would be soldiers out there. Ill only talk about the CIB, Airborne Wings and the Crossed Rifles I would wear on my epaulets.

For those questioning my integrity… you should be able to recognize the rank just by the crossed rifles on the Epaulets, and it was not enlisted.

That is why I mentioned the Army paying for my BS before and my MBA afterwards.

Hey Johnny C
I call him Mr. Bongo because it's actually uncertain what his lawful name is, Barry Soetoro? Barrack Dunham? Barry Obama? Barrack Hussein Obama? Barry Dunham? My question to you is, are the rumors true that he also has as many social security numbers to match his aliases? Could that be the reason why all of his academic records are official state secrets? In some ways I have to feel sorry for him being abandoned by his father and being adopted in Indonesia by a man named Soetoro, but after all that hardship there isn't one document in existence from the whole experience? Johnny C, you are free to assume whatever you please. With that said, the name “Bongo” was one born out of frustration for me. I'm not trying to be “clever”, I'm just amazed that a man who wouldn't be given a FBI security clearance due to his dubious history could become the President. Then again, on the other hand, since when are the sons of transient Kenyan Mau Mau's eligible to become the President of the United States? Barry, Barrack, Dunham, Soetoro, Obama, Barrack Hussein Obama? Lawful American President? Usurper?

I'll assume you're talking about Fact Check dot org, they are owned and operated by the Annenberg Foundation are they not? Calling them an “independent political group” is like calling the NRA and “independent political group.” Would liberals trust them to issue firearms permits? But Fact Check . com is somehow the final arbiter of truth? “Prima facie evidence” or document fraud? I heard Hawaii gave away COLB certificates back then like giving candy apples to kids on Halloween. I heard that those certificates where routinely given to children born out of hospitals. I even heard that all it took to get one was the insistence of one parent that the child was indeed born in Hawaii. Prudence would demand that as a show of good faith the President release a hospital generated birth certificate to corroborate his nativity story. You go ahead and call me “unreasonable” till you're blue in the face. There was a time in my life when I would have been overjoyed to be given the honor to work in the White House, even if only as a janitor. I'm near to the same age as Obama and I was also born on an Island, the hospital that I was born in is still there. The doctor who delivered me is still practicing medicine at age 86 God bless him. The Town Hall still has all of my vault records. I would have signed all of it over in a second to be given the honor of working in the White House, even as a janitor!

Just because some people chose to hire an army of lawyers at the cost of over a million dollars to conceal what is by all accounts a benign document that would cost a mere twelve dollars to release doesn't mean something is amiss? Asking the President to produce a birth certificate as a show of good faith has nothing whatsoever to do with having the hoi polloi bend over backwards. Putting this issue to rest would be really cheap and easy by producing a hospital generated long form for twelve dollars. Then we could move on the the issue of Bary's transient father's British/Kenyan nationality and or Bary's possible Indonesian citizenship.
I didn't say anything about the Constitution calling for the President to be anything other then a “natural born American citizen” in the context of Vattell's writings at the time the Constitution was adopted. I was merely quoting a former Federal Agent who passed the comment that somebody with a history as dubious as the President would not be allowed to work at the FBI because they would not pass for a security clearance. After hearing that I felt it a bit odd that the standards are loosened for a President!
McCain's eligibility was addressed by the Senate and they agreed overwhelmingly that he was a “natural born American citizen” however it's important to note that it's only a matter of their opinion! The Constitutional question actually isn't so simple, ultimately there is no real resolution of the eligibility of either McCain or Obama.
Obama was born in Hawaii? Well then, where are they going to hang the memorial plaques honoring his specific birth place? The airport? The beach? Pineapple field? You know, there is a $15,000.00 dollar donation for the hospital that Obama was born in being offered by World Net Daily, why have none of them claimed it? He has claimed Kapi o' Lani at a fund raiser but they will not confirm it. Don't you think they would like to have that $15,000.00? I believe that there are the exact addresses for the specific birthplaces for every single one of the nation's 43 other Presidents. In some if not most cases the buildings are still standing and the exact room that the birth took place in is known. Why is Obama throwing out this huge stumbling block to the historians that will surely write about it someday? Is it some kind of a sick inside joke or something? You tell me! All Presidential birthplaces are historical landmarks, all of the specific locations have memorial plaques. Where are you liberals going to put his birthplace memorial plaque? Why is the specific birthplace of the 44th President of the United States an official state secret?
As for the “Natural Born American Citizen” requirement as per the Constitution. Since when are the sons of transient British men eligible for the Presidency? Little Bary was a British boy at birth in full accordance with British Nationality Law. Britain had a legal jurisdiction over little Barry at the time of his birth, that is if his father actually cared about him, he would have had legal recourse with the British Consulate. Little Barry was born under the jurisdiction of the United Kingdom, an inheritance right from his British father! I think the definition of “Natural Born American Citizen” the founders where talking about was Vattel's from his treatise, “Laws Of Nations.” There is more then one form of citizenship and being born on American soil only makes one a “native born citizen.” It takes two citizen parents to give birth to a “natural born American citizen.” Real “natural born American citizens” are born free of any possible foreign legal jurisdiction especially Britain! After having fought that bloody revolution I think the founding fathers would puke if they knew a British boy would become President! I don't know what Constitutional Scholars you are referring too but I haven't been hearing them even chime in on this publicly. Let's be honest here, neither of us are Constitutional Scholars, it's a job for the courts to decide! At any rate, someday, somebody is going to get that “vital statistics file” in Hawaii and see if he's Hawaiian or just lying!

Bongo is an old cartoon character. Do a You Tube search and enjoy!

Uh, I didn't make any offers in this thread.

*adds “delusional” to “just like Gunny only worse” list*

I've never claimed to be a veteran, old sport.

You don't talk or act like any veteran or any MBA I've ever met. Would you mind providing written proof of either? Thanks.

Interesting, that you claim that you don't boast about your service or talk about your time in 'Nam, but you keep slinging around military jargon and mentioning the Airborne service….

Agreed. Surely someone so proud of his service and so insistent that he'll fight for FREEDOM should be able to fulfill this simply request.

Armchair soldier. The closest he's been to combat is a game of Steel Panthers.

There is no evidence to support any of the accusations you are flinging at our president. Speculation on right-wing websites does not constitute proof of anything. Obama has not hidden anything about his life, it's just that he has no obligation whatsoever to find and release every piece of paper connected with his life to satisfy a bunch of functional eight-year olds who will never be satisfied with anything less than his removal from office.
And if you dislike liars, you must have hated Bush and Cheney.

Or maybe Squad Leader. Remember Squad Leader, the old board game where one turn can take four hours because everyone spends their time arguing about all the supplemental rules? I'll bet our new friend has all the expansion packs in his luxurious wood paneled rumpus room.

miller51550…..there you go with all this “if this, if that” shit…..see, this is America, and speculation and “if this/if that” is the hallmark of someone with only bullshit instead of evidence to back up his claims. You talk about his B average, but didn't you say above that all his records are sealed?? If so, where did you get the “evidence” that he has a B average in high school

….so you see, refer to my earlier post, please, which is this: If a dog had a square booty, he'd shit bricks, ipso, facto, if, if, if your way all the way to the next re-election of Barack Obama as President of the United States…….

pat….with this book you wrote, you just spouted every nut birfer conspiracy SPECULATION, old and new, that's out there!! If he did this, or maybe someone did that……….I mean, it will only take me one sentence to say, EVERYTHING YOU WROTE ABOVE IS ONE BIG BIRFER LIE…….AND BARACK OBAMA IS AND WILL CONTINUE TO BE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.

And oh yes – my uncle died 25 years ago. His service was in World War II, where even the Roosevelt haters kept their mouths shut and did their job. I seriously doubt he would have appreciated a single word you've posted.

let me try, that looks like fun:
I like THE phrase “HIS awesome ERRATIC ways” IT kinda SOUNDS like THE title of a George Carlin record. YEAH, it's SO ironic (WAIT, what's IRONIC?) ANDY Devine IS indeed LOOKING down UPON us ALL and I THINK he's AS confused AS i AM !
“SOMEBODY is GOING to BE very EMBARRASSED someday” –
I'm pretty embarrassed for you already, nrha37: you practically transcend Birfer parody——you are 'AWESOME erratic'!

imbeciles, one & all

I'm waiting for Miller to claim that when he came back from 'Nam, dirty, longhaired anti-war demonstrators spit on him and called him “baby killer”

http://obamabirthers.blogspot.com/
Obama was putting out as late as 2004 that he was BORN in KENYA. Obama is an illegitimate President. he was not a “natural born citizen” as the Constitution requires to run for President. WHY HAVE OUR SENATORS & REPRESENTATIVES NOT SERVED EVICTION NOTICES W/THE BACKING OF THE FBI?

Because you're a liar and a fraud?

Also, Housing Court has no jurisdiction over the tenancy of a legally elected President, you moron.

Nonsense! Then, if I am lying what hospital was Mr. Bongo born in and where is the documented proof? – HELLO?

First of all..

You have to have been in and served to understand any of the jargon.

My comments regarding my servirce is made only to demonstrate that I have put myself in lie to PROTEDT our freedoms.

I DID not agree with Bush, because he dodged the draft. He used his family position to be in the National Guard instead of being in the Draft.

He got us into war and kept us safe after he made that terrible mistake.

I NEVER talk about the service in Vietnam. Just tht I was THERE,

I do NOT AGREE with Obama. I do not agree with his ideologies and the lies that he tells. I am particularly concerned that it appears that he did not shign up for the draft in a timely manner.

And I am CRITICAL of anyone that has not SERVED in the military that supports is policies.

So enough said. I am college educated have attended several military schools that give me a better insight into international intelligence and conducting of military operations.

So when someone questions my patriotism and my honor and my committment to my country I a naturally offended.

Especially when those individuals are more than likely more liberal than is good for our country.

No one here has been able to refute anything postings that I made about Obama.

And believe me when i say.. I WOULD say the samy to his face.

Because I feel that I have EARNED the right to question the character of the Messiah.

Hey Jayhg – Barry Bongo has not been able to produce a birth certificate. Where is the lie there? Hello?

Some antipsychotic meds would do you a world of good. Seek help.

Who is “Barry Bongo,” and why should I care about his birth certificate?

Utter bullshit. You haven't used a single term that can't be learned from Google, wargaming, or hanging out with actual veterans. You also don't write or present yourself like any MBA, or anyone who actually attended an accredited graduate school.

Either produce some written proof that you actually served and actually have an MBA, or shut up.

yes, ellidellid…….I want to ask pat that same thing…who is Barry Bongo???

FYI: shhhh…..this birfer's IQ is 37…..so…..well…..

listen here, kitkat or hillary for presidet and redgraham, you're an idiot, but you entertain me, so keep posting these dumb lies cause everyone knows that Barack Obama is the President of the United States, duly elected by a majority of Americans, and will stay President of the United States. He was born here in the United States and I so enjoy that you are tortured by that fact.

LOL! You birfers are the best thing since late-night Television! Does drilling a hole in water like this REALLY have some deep meaning for you people?

Does adopting multiple monikers feed some sort of fetish? Or is it that you just can't accept a black man as President? Your obstinacy about where he was born just underscores why these good folk who don't believe this crap ridicule you.

Any sane, thinking person would have given this exercise in futility a pass long ago. But by no means stop. amongst the bad news, we need comic relief. Maybe you can join the cast of “Human Wrecking Balls”. Those two boys don't have any brains, either.

Shut up and show us your Taitz, you ignorant racist jerk.

I don’t think we’d like the same things. Racism gives me hives.

Obama mentions seeing his “Birth Certificate” on page 26 of 'Dreams of My Father'. Why won't he release THAT Birth Certificate? Unless it's from Kenya than I understand. Why not the college records unless he attended as a Foreign Student than I understand. On the face of the evidence that Obama Senior was a Kenyan-Brit/transient alien BHO cannot possibly meet the natural born citizen requirement of the Constitution. We need to put this imposter out on his ear ASAP.

He mentions seeing it, yes. But wasn't that an episode that took place over 30 years ago? Over 30 years ago I had my original too, but I know very few people my age who still have theirs.

But what difference does it make? From a legal point of view, both are official birth certificates. They prove what he needs to show about when and where he was born, and people use them every day to get drivers licenses and passports.

Tell me, have you seen the original birth certificates of all the other presidents in history? All the other vice presidents, who are subject to the same requirements? All the candidates?

Why hold Obama to a higher standard?

Obama Senior's citizenship had no effect whatsoever on Obama's eligibility. Haven't you read the recent decision in Ankeny v. Governor? It says:

“Based upon the language of Article II, Section 1, Clause 4 and the guidance provided by Wong Kim Ark, we conclude that persons born within the borders of the United States are “natural born Citizens” for Article II, Section 1 purposes, regardless of the citizenship of their parents.”

As you stated that “There is no clearly defined case law as to what constitutes a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN.” So what is your problem.

It is you who lies sir. None of what you request has anything to do with whether or not a person is a natural born citizen.

Let me point out a moronic point in your argument. You attempt to present the argument that when a woman remarries that her new husband must adopt her children. Please, learn about what adoption is.

Rick Van Winkle how long have you been a sleep for. For a person born in America their birth certificate (Certification of Live birth) is proof of American citizenship.

There is absolutely nothing to support your conspiracy theory, absolutely nothing.

However, what are you hiding. This conspiracy theory of yours seems more like trying to deflect attention from your real biases.

“ole VET will question anything and anyone because i have been there and done that.” — Lying doesn't count.

Being in the Airborne Infantry doesn't dislodge legal principles. Yes, you are respected for the scarifies that you have done for your country. However, this doesn't give you an automatic right to lie.

To whomever it may concern: Read Read Read: “Obama Nation” by Jerome Corsi; “Whistle Blower”Magazines that devote entire issues to Barrack Hussein Obama; read “The Audacity of Hope” by Brad O'Leary; You can purchase all of them for less than $20 at 1-800-496-3266.

You can also get Michelle Malkin (.com)'s book “Culture of Corruption”. It depends upon if you want the TRUTH OR NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH!!!

Super Reading!!

Rumors are just that rumors. Nothing more, nothing less. A reasonable person would understand this. There is nothing available anywhere which presents any doubt that Obama isn’t a natural born citizen of America. You have spend more time typing a meaning less tirade that reading the press release by the State of Hawaii confirming that Obama is a natural born citizen of America. You have spend more time dismissing the facts that it would require you to look at Obama’s Certification of Live Birth.

Here is what I have one Certification of Live Birth. You have nothing but misinformation and half truths. A physical object has more weight that words.

More misinformation. It is hard to understand why people keep putting out the same nonsense for over a year and half. Do you honestly believe that in 10 years from know that this will become a fact, or are you from an alternative universe looking for a way home.

No one other that those who attempt to discredit Obama refers to the president as the Messiah. However, you lie about “No one here has been able to refute anything postings that I made about Obama.”

It refuse to accept the facts, and engage is misinformation. Honestly, you are fooling no one. Those who scribe to the bither conspiracy theory will accept anything you write as facts. Even if it is utter nonsense.

In American their are several political parties are trying to convince Americans they they have better ideas for governance.

Nothing what you typed in anyways relates to the validity of the presidents birth certificate or refutes the validity of it.

Your ignorance has EARNED you the right to be ridiculed by those who see your comments as being politically motivated, and not based in facts.

Hey… love the comments.

But you still have yet to answer any of the questions in the orignial post.

It is not about the Birth Certificate or where he is born.

It is the LACK of the high lighted information and the disinformation from himself in his two books and his actions since he became POTUS.

Try to do the research and see if you can find who he was, who he associated with, who paid for his college, how he got into Occidental College, Columbia, Harvard. See how he lost his first campaign and then how he won his first campaign.

You get a DIFFERENT picture of Obama THAN is presented by the MSM.

Do not be a lemming and follow him and his cronies into the ocean.

I have the freedom of speech and would ask Obama the same questions that I have posted.

I have served my country proudly and always tried to put my troops first. I tried to be objective and honest in my dealings with other. I believe in Our Country and those that WANT to make it strong and make sure that we are all FREE. I do not believe in taking from the wealthy and giving to the poor. I do not believe in not telling the truth.

And most importantly I do not believe in what is transpiring in Washington today. I did not like Bush because he misused the Reserves and the Guard BECAUSE and the LIBERALS would not commit to a draft.

And yest at 60 I would gladly volunteer to go into the Middle East to fight again.

To not question the leadership and the direction one individual is leading our country.. is a crime in itself.

I question the national debt being at 12.2 Trillion dollars and rising.. You will be paying for that the rest of your lives.

The problem with LEGAL PRINCIPLES.. you have individuals that make decisions based on the fact that there is no Case law that prevents one from doing as the please.

Ask yourself why Obama has 25 LAWYERS in the White House. Ask why the Congress and the Senate believe that they can tread on the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.. BECAUSE there is no CASE LAW that prevents them from doing so.

Read the press and question how OUR POTUS can sit down with UNION OFFICALS and exempt them from paying the same tax on the OBAMACARE bill that you and I have to pay.

The issue is LEGAL PRINCIPLES. There is nothing that says he can not make a deal based on FAVORITISM and insuring that he gets the union vote for him and his cronies.

Being a Ole Vet from a POLITICIANS WAR, means nothing today.

I am old.. but I believe in DUTY, HONOR and COUNTRY.

I raised my hand and swore to support the Constitution, and to protect my Country from ALL enemies of the state both domestic and foreign.

And I expect the same out of ANY INDIVIDUAL that takes the same oath..

Protect the Constitution and protect the United States from all Enemies Domestic and Foreign.

And if and when I BELIEVE in my heart that there is one or more than one individual in power in our couintry. It is my duty STILL to try to enlighten those that may learn to question those in power.

You really want someone to spend $20 on a book, when it is free for them to look at the presidents birth certificate and to read the two press releases by the state of Hawaii. Yes, a fool and his money is easily parted. $20 isn't that much, but it still doesn't make a person who buys it a sucker.

You don't believe in telling lies. This is from your original post.

“Certification of Live Birth — Released – Counterfeit — Case and Affidavits”

Either is based on misinformation that someone gave to you or it is a lie.

The State of Hawaii has confirmed that the president is a natural-born citizen two times.

So unless you retract all the misinformation that is contained in your original post, then I will consider you part of the problem relating to the birther conspiracy theory. Sorry, I cherish honestly and have little respect for people who don't.

Then it wouldn't be to difficult for you to take time to honestly reflect on the implications of your comments. This is reality to everyone who has a vested interest in the presidents citizenship. I am not talking about his policies, which you can disagree with.

First.. if you did any research.. you may be able to find a copy of the Soetoro Divorce paper that list a teenage son as belonging to Soetoro.

You may be able to find the records where OBAMA attended school under the name of Soetoro. (Note that NO ONE is allowed to investigate or talk to anyone in Indonesia or Kenya WITHOUT approval of the government)

Do yourself a favor… before jumping to conclusions. Do some research. I have been posting this information since this time 1.5 years ago.

And the more I discovered the more disillusioned I became about who OBAMA said he was COMPARED to who he actually was.

To my knowledge, for most of the century each and every POTUS we have elected.. YOU at least can find the TRUTH about their up bringing.

And to my knowledge, we have NEVER had a POTUS that admitted doing POT, CRACK and COKE while in college and high school.

Like most liberals and OBAMA supporters you are still missing the point.

Yes he won, he spent more than 800 MILLION dollars buying the election.

Take a look at the passage.

High Crimes and Teason Against the Constitution and the American People.

The bigger picture is that WE can do nothing about him now that he is in office.

That much I can agree on. But at some time he should be made to answer for his misinformation (lies) to the American People.

Discussion ended.

Your are like a small child.

Rep. Nathan Deal (R-Ga.) Joins the Birthers?
Rep. Nathan Deal's Birtherism, Investigated?
Local Birther Makes Good?
Glenn Beck Accuses Liberals of Coordinating Birther Phone Calls?
Those Birther Calls to Glenn Beck, Explained?

All contain this exact same comment. All posted with in 2 minutes of each other in descending order.

How moronic.

If you also do research..

The Senate ALSO passed a amendment to a bill stating that Obama was born in Hi. and was a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN of the United States.

If you do additional research.. Hi is the ONLY state in the Union that requires that before anyone can be placed on the Ballot that they be a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN.

Pelosi submitted the necesary paperwork to put him on the ballot STATING that fact.

For the other 49 States she submitted a different letter stating that he met the eligibility requirements NOT that he was a natural born citizen.

If you do further research.. you will find that there are three or four different types of Birth Certificates.

When Obama was born.. there were no computers and everything was typed.

At the time he enter high school, Occidental, Columbia, and Harvard he would have had to have a HARD copy of the BC.

The Factcheck BC has never OFFICALLY been checked by the FBI, CIA or any government organization for validity.

As a matter of fact, I know no one that has actually admitted to to seeing the orignal CERTIFICATE of LIVE Birth.

DISCUSSION ENDED.

If you also do research..

The Senate ALSO passed a amendment to a bill stating that Obama was born in Hi. and was a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN of the United States.

If you do additional research.. Hi is the ONLY state in the Union that requires that before anyone can be placed on the Ballot that they be a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN.

Pelosi submitted the necesary paperwork to put him on the ballot STATING that fact.

For the other 49 States she submitted a different letter stating that he met the eligibility requirements NOT that he was a natural born citizen.

If you do further research.. you will find that there are three or four different types of Birth Certificates.

When Obama was born.. there were no computers and everything was typed.

At the time he enter high school, Occidental, Columbia, and Harvard he would have had to have a HARD copy of the BC.

The Factcheck BC has never OFFICALLY been checked by the FBI, CIA or any government organization for validity.

As a matter of fact, I know no one that has actually admitted to to seeing the orignal CERTIFICATE of LIVE Birth.

DISCUSSION ENDED.

Let me stop at your first point. When a parent get divorced and later remarries the new spouse become the children's parent. Honestly, it isn't that hard of a concept to understand. However, your problems continue after the first sentence. You are not deceiving anyone.

Incorrect it was congress who past a bill to recognize Hawaii's 50 years as part of America, with as statement that recognized Obama as a natural born citizen.

See the problem that you are having. Instead of providing proof that Obama isn’t wasn’t born a citizen of America you enter into wild accusations. If you are upset about the election loss state that. If you oppose Obama’s policies state that.

The president is a natural born citizen of America as proven by his Hawaiian Certificate of live Birth.

Innuendo doesn’t supplant government issued documents.

So exactly what “lies,” “High Crimes” or “Teason [sic] Against the Constitution and the American People” is Obama guilty of? You have yet to actually tell us what those are. Of course many lunatics on the right work from the assumption that Obama MUST be evil because…well…just because. No actual evidence of any wrongdoing, just their own paranoid suspicions. If you want to let your paranoid delusions govern your life, go for it. But don’t expect the rest of us to share them. Go join the rest of the conspiracy theorists, Obama Derangement Syndrome sufferers and other assorted nut-jobs. Until you can provide actual proof of a crime committed by the president, just let him do his job. He’s got a big enough job pulling us out of the recession that started under the previous administration.

Prove that the FactCheck birth certificate has never been checked out by the “FBI, CIA or any government organization.” And why do you hold Obama to a different standard than any other president or presidential candidate in the entire history of the U.S.? No other candidate for the presidency has ever released his birth certificate for viewing by the general public. In that respect, Obama has disclosed more about himself than any previous president.

Michelle Malkin is a raving, paranoid Obama Derangement Syndrome sufferer. Jerome Corsi is the man who lied about John Kerry's war record during the 2004 election. Why should we believe anything either of them say?

It makes absolutely no sense to be. Absolutely none. The first presidential campaign to release their birth certificate to the public and their are people asking him to release their birth certificate. I don't think it is a different standard, but a concerted to seed doubt in the minds of the electorate.

I have tried to understand the reason behind this, but it seems to be more “fear uncertainty doubt and misinformation.” A very pathetic attempt at that anyways.

Jerome Corsi is a known liar. Michelle Malkin is a hysteric who thinks that a hound's tooth check scarf is evidence of terrorism. Why should I pay attention to either of them?

Maya Soetoro-Ng, Barack's sister, said that Barack was a Muslim and so was their Mom (Stanley Ann Dunham) and Obama's step-Father (Lolo Soetoro) in an interview with the New York Times published on April 30 2007. http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/30/us/politics… …
Obama's Mom is a Muslim. Indonesian laws and Islamic customs, Sharia Law, forbid Muslims from marrying a different religion. It was illegal in Indonesia to have dual citizenships. So both Obama and his Mother “Ann” lost their U.S. citizenship when moving to Indonesia. The Indonesian government only began acknowledging dual citizenship in November of 2006; The Hague Convention of 1930 and argues that since Indonesia did not allow dual citizenship, neither did the United States when it came to Indonesia.
Obama's Mom can NOT be an Athiest, like he claims, because Indonesia Law, does not recognize Atheists or Agnostics. Ann & Lolo (Obama's Step-Father), were both Muslims. Indonesian Law: “Marriage partners must have the same religion, otherwise one partner must make a written declaration of change of religion.”

I am doing my part to get the word out on this usurper and the travesty that has happened. Thanks too for keeping track of my posts as it saves me time to use this as a reference.

Actually I'm a constructionist and abide by the original intent of the founders as opposed to legislation from the bench/living document garbage.

I'm sure anybody who writes a book would be likely to lose (shred?) his Birth Certificate. The reason for the need for Obama's documents is because there is so much doubt about his US citizenship. There was a congressional inquiry for McCain's natural born status-why not for Obama if that even is his real name.

LIE #1 – Maya Soetoro-Ng said no such thing. The link you gave is invalid.

LIE #2 – there is no evidence whatsoever that either Stanley Dunham or her son practiced Islam at any time in their lives.

LIE #3 – Islam does not prohibit the marriage of Muslims and non-Muslims, nor does it require the conversion of a non-Muslim spouse, nor does it require the conversion of the non-Muslim spouse's children.

LIE #4 – neither Stanley Dunham nor her son ever surrendered their American citizenship, nor would it have been possible for her to surrender her son's citizenship during his minority.

LIE #5 – Indonesian law does not require that married couples practice the same religion.

Give it up, Gunny. All the lies in the world won't change the simple fact that the President is natural born.

All you're doing is making yourself look like you haven't quite finished evolving.

In which case you should shut up about the President's birth, since the Founders went by English common law. This held, and still does, that a child born in one country is automatically a citizen except in certain limited circumstances, like the child of a diplomat.

Give it up, Gunny. You're wrong.

The doubt is in your bigoted excuse for a brain.

“It was illegal in Indonesia to have dual citizenships. So both Obama and his Mother “Ann” lost their U.S. citizenship when moving to Indonesia.”
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Absolute bull. Regardless of what is legal or illegal in Indonesia, the only law that determines U.S. citizenship is U.S. law.

You say there's “so much doubt” and I say there's not.

How do we resolve disputes like that?

Well, we are a nation of laws, and we have a judicial system. If you think there's a need for further documentation, take your case to court.

Oh, you've already done that. And lost every one of over 60 cases.

That's a shame. But since you're a great patriot, you'll respect the decisions of our legal system, won't you?

Oh, that's interesting. Then why don't you show us where the founders said that the laws of a foreign country should trump U.S. law in determining U.S. citizenship?

Yeah, and you're doing a great job. Birferism is spreading like wildfire.

ROTFLMAO!!

Winning an election is not stealing anything.

Winning an election is not stealing anything.

Liar. There is no such document because the President was never adopted.

You not only are a liar, you seem to enjoy it. What a sad and lonely life you must lead.

Raising your hand in front of a video game console and playing Halo 3 is not swearing an oath to anything. Either produce a copy of your discharge papers or shut the fuck up, you disgusting un-American bush baby.

Raising your hand in front of a video game console and playing Halo 3 is not swearing an oath to anything. Either produce a copy of your discharge papers or shut the fuck up, you disgusting un-American bush baby.

What's next, shooting kids for coming near your precious, precious grass? What a revolting waste of breath you are.

naw..

I was in ROTC in front for the review stand receiving a scholarship WHEN a long haired hipped spit on my Uniform.

And I could not do a butt stroke to the groin or head.

At the time it was required to wear class ‘A’ when flying on Civilian Aircraft and in the Airports we were subject to negative remarks.

naw..

I was in ROTC in front for the review stand receiving a scholarship WHEN a long haired hipped spit on my Uniform.

And I could not do a butt stroke to the groin or head.

At the time it was required to wear class ‘A’ when flying on Civilian Aircraft and in the Airports we were subject to negative remarks.

There have already been dozens of legal challenges to Obama's status as a “natural born citizen.” The Constitution, Article 2, Section 1, states, “No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President.”
Some of the lawsuits question whether he was actually born in Hawaii, as he insists. If he was born out of the country, Obama's American mother, the suits contend, was too young at the time of his birth to confer American citizenship to her son under the law at the time.
Other challenges have focused on Obama's citizenship through his father, a Kenyan subject to the jurisdiction of the United Kingdom at the time of his birth, thus making him a dual citizen. The cases contend the framers of the Constitution excluded dual citizens from qualifying as natural born.
Complicating the situation is Obama's decision to spend sums estimated in excess of $1.7 million to avoid releasing a state birth certificate that would put to rest all of the questions.
Among the documentation not yet available for Obama includes kindergarten records, Punahou school records, Occidental College records, Columbia University records, Columbia thesis, Harvard Law School records, Harvard Law Review articles, scholarly articles from the University of Chicago, passport, medical records, his files from his years as an Illinois state senator, his Illinois State Bar Association records, any baptism records, and his adoption records. We must put this madman monster out on his ear ASAP.

Isn't “Madman Monster” a cheesy movie from the 50's?

Liar. Something that public would have made the papers.

LOL, where have you been? There have been over 60 legal challenges and every one of them has been lost.

I would point out that your post is packed with lies, but these lies have been repeated so many times — and debunked so many times — that I'm sure you don't care whether you're telling the truth or not.

You're just another delusional lying birther, copying and pasting the same old crap.

WOW! It's still going on.

I gotta say, you birfers are nothing if not persistent. You are like Bozo the Clown, Howdy Doody and Captain Kangaroo (sorry, Cap, but Mr. Greenjeans has left the building) all rolled into one.

How many times must the rake handle smack you in the face, before you see the light? Oh, and using the other foot really doesn't work, either. The average rake is wider than the human stance, left, right, doesn't matter.

Each day Obama stays in office just has to be a real drain on your ability to function……Orly's all but gone. Even SHE had the sense to know when you load all six chambers, it's not Russian Roulette anymore.

The birth certificate thing is old news. Move on. But I'm a realist when it comes to you folk. The broken record nature of your demands never ceases to amuse. I'll expect you'll be at this long after Obama leaves office. Will you do this for the next President? Hope so. All of us have gotten so used to you, it'll be a depressing day when we don't have you around for the Monty Python act you so deftly present.

But hey! You can always pull the wings off of flies, then you'll have a captive audience!

Wrong, those who support the birther conspiracy theory don't use references they just make things up. It is just the shows how logically inconsistent their arguments are.

It is a logical fallicy that just by marrying someone that you automatically become a citizen of a country. Absolutely no country allows this. Reading an argument built on idiotic and faulty logic makes it hard not to laugh.

The birther conspiracy theory is here to stay. No matter how much the facts prove them wrong birthers will cling to their theory.

Yah, but you have to admit…..They are fun!

The demand for documentation of Barack Obama's eligibility to occupy the Oval Office is surging, with lawmakers in several states now working on legislation that could be used to require future presidential candidates to reveal precisely how they are qualified under the U.S. Constitution's demand for a “natural born citizen.” I have repeatedly contacted my U.S. Senators & Congressman about this illegal-alien and they seem to be content with “go along, get along” and don't want to make waves. Hence it is going to be up to the individual states to codify a Constitutional definition of “natural born citizen”, require original signatures on nomination paper certifications(not the copied signatures Pelosi provided) AND a copy of the candidate's original Birth Certificate before the name can be placed on the state's presidential election ballot. Obama mentions his Birth Certificate on page 26 of “Dreams of My Father” so he could just provide a copy of that one. Afterall it is probably the “source document” a Hawaiian official claims is on file in Honolulu. OR it could be the Kenyan BC. Also we are still not sure which citizenship Obama attended college as. If we can keep Obama off the ballot in just two states he won't have the audacity to run for re-election. So please write your state level senators to sponsor and support this legislation.

The definition of a natural born citizen is already well-established by the 14th Amendment, the federal code, and Supreme Court precedent going back over 100 years. The states can add nothing to that.
The problem with you birthers is that you make up your own reality, and then demand that reality-based people accept your loony alternate “facts.” There is not, and never has been, any evidence that President Obama ever attended college as a foreign student, held a foreign passport, or, for that matter, danced the hokey-pokey on a night in June.
If you think you have any evidence that anything you claim is true, then produce it. If you can't, then you need to find something else to obsess about. I hear that daytime soaps can absorb a lot of the attention of emotionally marginal people. Once you're thinking all the time about the travails of fictional people, you'll have less time to invent a fictional biography for the president.
The president has already shown all he needs to show, and then some. If one of his daughters had a screaming fit, he would not indulge that child because it would be foolish to do so. It would be just as foolish to indulge the the childlike, fearful fantasies of the birther. Fortunately, our president is no fool.

Don't you mean that some politicians are starting to pander those who believe in the asinine birther conspiracy theory. It would be easier for them to just make one phone call with the relevant government agency.

It make some sense if a dimwitted citizen believe that writing meaningless legislation would address a concern that would be solved by just talking to the right person. However, a politician should know better. They could even ask their staff to get them in contact with the correct person, to verify the authenticity of a document. This is a matter of routine and happen between different government agencies everyday.

It is hard to think of the correct analogy for how silly this really is.

What is really funny is that birthers really believe that this legislation will address anything substantial. This legislation will not prevent Obama from seeking a second term in office, since he is a natural-born citizen as required by the constitution. Obama's staff will only direct state officials to the Hawaiian press release.

Birthers are just funny. They provide information that they really believe supports their position. However, the information really undermines their position or is factually false. They get obsessed with a mention of a document on a page in a book, but they really didn't even read the passage or paragraph. They post copies of Hawaii documents, and pick on obscure differences without reading the fine print. One birther actually posted a copy of someone's “long-form” which read on the top “Certification of Live Birth.” The find newspaper articles without reading it. One actually discussed chronological history of the start of Obama's father's life in America including Obama and his mother.

Now they are touting a document that even the sponsors know will not prevent president Obama from seeking a second term. Being disillusioned in Birtherdom must be a great place for birthers, but I prefer reality.

Barak H. Obama is a natural-born citizen of America as indicated by his Hawaii Department of Health issued Certification of Live Birth. Hawaii Departmant of Health through the governor of Hawaii has issues to press releasing, with both supporting the authenticity of the Certification of Live Birth.

Anthony,

Millionmonikers hasn't the mental capacity to argue a nonexistent point or belief. Check out my newest “tale” on the latest birfer blog. I think you'll like it. And it's not the only analogy I have….It's like shooting fish in a barrel!

Liar.

A million?

More $20.40. You’re an idiot.

You’re a fecal discharge and a paranoid idiot.

This exact post is at 5 others places on the internet……..this man/woman/whatever calling him/her/it self red grahm cracker…..is a real nutbag…….so what else is new re: birfers…..

katahdin: “There is not, and never has been, any evidence that President Obama ever attended college as a foreign student, held a foreign passport, or, for that matter, danced the hokey-pokey on a night in June.”

Hey, idiot. Do you realize you just validated the “birther” claim? The whole reason this issue is up for debate is exactly what you said– He won't produce any proof (i.e. long form BC, elementary school records, high school records, Occidental/Columbia/Harvard transcripts, thesis, or Law Review articles. He's covering it all up! If I was POTUS, going through all of this, having my name dragged through the mud, I wouldn't even second guess producing my real and true BC for the whole world to see! Why is he spending so much money on attorneys to keep it all hidden, huh? Too many unanswered questions causes a little thing called “suspicion.”

katahdin: “There is not, and never has been, any evidence that President Obama ever attended college as a foreign student, held a foreign passport, or, for that matter, danced the hokey-pokey on a night in June.”

Hey, idiot. Do you realize you just validated the “birther” claim? The whole reason this issue is up for debate is exactly what you said– He won't produce any proof (i.e. long form BC, elementary school records, high school records, Occidental/Columbia/Harvard transcripts, thesis, or Law Review articles. He's covering it all up! If I was POTUS, going through all of this, having my name dragged through the mud, I wouldn't even second guess producing my real and true BC for the whole world to see! Why is he spending so much money on attorneys to keep it all hidden, huh? Too many unanswered questions causes a little thing called “suspicion.”

This exact post is at 5 others places on the internet.