Rep. Nathan Deal (R-Ga.) Joins the Birthers

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Wednesday, January 06, 2010 at 3:06 pm

The conservative Post & Email reports that Rep. Nathan Deal (R-Ga.), who’s running for governor in Georgia, has asked the White House for proof that Barack Obama is an American citizen.

Todd Smith, Chief of Staff for Representative Nathan Deal of the United States House of Representatives serving Georgia’s 9th district, has confirmed today that Deal has sent a letter to Barack Hussein Obama requesting him to prove his eligibility for the office of President of the United States of America. The letter was sent electronically the first of December 2009 in pdf format, and Mr. Smith said that Representative Deal has confirmation from Obama’s staff that it has been received. The letter did not have additional signatories. It originated solely from Representative Deal.

Some anti-birther bloggers have asked for, but not received, the actual letter, but they’ve also confirmed (via his office) that it was sent. Deal hasn’t signed on to Rep. Bill Posey’s (R-Fla.) so-called “birther bill.”

Hat tip: Jason Pye.

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katahdin
Comment posted January 6, 2010 @ 3:41 pm

Congratulations, Rep. Deal. You have now boarded to crazy train. Next stop, Loony Town.


chrisjay
Comment posted January 6, 2010 @ 3:48 pm

Yesterday the Birfers lost a big fish when Glen Beck said in no uncertain terms that Birtherism is for crazy people, but i must say—-they've landed a whopper here!!


chrisjay
Comment posted January 6, 2010 @ 3:48 pm

Yesterday the Birfers lost a big fish when Glen Beck said in no uncertain terms that Birtherism is for crazy people, but i must say—-they've landed a whopper here!!


katahdin
Comment posted January 6, 2010 @ 3:57 pm

Of course this will hurt Rep. Deal with the rational voters of Georgia, but fortunately for him rational voters are not the majority in Georgia.


Antibirther
Comment posted January 6, 2010 @ 3:58 pm

Deal is trying to distract people from the fact that he is facing an ethics investigation over his buisness dealls with the state.


chrisjay
Comment posted January 6, 2010 @ 4:22 pm

When Glen Beck disowned the Birfers recently, they let a big one get away. But I must confess that they've landed quite a whopper with this dingleberry from GA.


republicanstupidity
Comment posted January 6, 2010 @ 5:50 pm

WHERE IS HIS????


JohnC
Comment posted January 6, 2010 @ 7:45 pm

If Nathan Deal is so sure Obama is a usurper, he knows what to do. He's in Congress, and Congress has the power to impeach. Let him put his money where his mouth is and file articles of impeachment. If not, he ought to shut up and lose the birther burlesque act.


Anthony
Comment posted January 6, 2010 @ 8:40 pm

Excellent. It is interesting to watch politicians confirm that they are nuts.


Anthony
Comment posted January 6, 2010 @ 8:41 pm

Excellent. It is interesting to watch politicians confirm that they are nuts.


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Comment posted January 7, 2010 @ 4:46 am

Deal's campaign spokesman Harris Blackwood confirmed the authenticity of the chat to TPM, explaining the Congressman's comment: “There have been so many constituents, a lot of people have asked him, they ask him on the campaign trail. Let's just get an answer, that's all we're saying, not suggesting anything to the contrary.”


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Name
Comment posted January 7, 2010 @ 8:18 am

No where did he say he did not think Obama is eligible. All he is asking for is for him to prove it to settle this once and for all. That is all I ask. If he is eligible and has nothing to hide, why not just produce the documents and be done with it?


Melanie
Comment posted January 7, 2010 @ 8:20 am

Congress asked McCain to prove he was a US Citizen, why can they not ask Obama to do the same thing?


kimburns
Comment posted January 7, 2010 @ 8:27 am

Why is Obama spending millions instead of releasing all of his records?


Anthony
Comment posted January 7, 2010 @ 9:07 am

That is factually false. All presidential and vice-presidential candidates must provide proof of citizenship by birth to congress as part of the election process.They are not asked, they must do it. Please, re-read your comment and take time to take a deep reflection on its implications.


Anthony
Comment posted January 7, 2010 @ 9:08 am

And are spending millions of dollars so you can make comments. Why are you doing that?


Anthony
Comment posted January 7, 2010 @ 9:13 am

The utter absurdity. A representative of congress is actually questioning the honestly of the government of Hawaii.

All he is asking for him to prove that he is eligible. Why would someone ask someone to prove that he is eligible, unless he thinks he isn't eligible.

It is akin to me asking you to prove that you are old enough to make comments on this sight. The reason would be because I think that you are underage.


Antibirther
Comment posted January 7, 2010 @ 9:18 am

Who did Herbert Hoover show his birth certificate to?


Antibirther
Comment posted January 7, 2010 @ 9:20 am

Shouldn'y you be studying your math problems now?


Antibirther
Comment posted January 7, 2010 @ 9:23 am

He did.

The Hawaiian COLB is valid legal proof that he was born in Honolulu.

NEXT!


Anthony
Comment posted January 7, 2010 @ 9:23 am

So is anti-birther is actually a birther? It seems like a contradiction.


Anthony
Comment posted January 7, 2010 @ 9:23 am

So is anti-birther is actually a birther? It seems like a contradiction.


Antibirther
Comment posted January 7, 2010 @ 9:24 am

Haven't you heard, WND say it's up to a billion dollasrs now.


ellid
Comment posted January 7, 2010 @ 11:28 am

He hasn't. The money spent on private law firms was to vet Cabinet appointments.

FAIL.


ellid
Comment posted January 7, 2010 @ 11:30 am

Already done, long ago.

Go away, troll.


ellid
Comment posted January 7, 2010 @ 11:30 am

Already did, over a year ago.


ellid
Comment posted January 7, 2010 @ 11:31 am

Shut up and show us your informercials.


strangely_enough
Comment posted January 7, 2010 @ 11:32 am

Wait, isn't that how many people were at the 9/12 Beckfest now?


ellid
Comment posted January 7, 2010 @ 11:32 am

To quote Tom Lehrer:

“Our captain's got a handicap to cope with, sad to tell.
He's from Georgia and he doesn't speak the language very well….”


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kimburns
Comment posted January 7, 2010 @ 12:35 pm

Ok, I'll accept that. Now why can't we see his kindergarten records, college records, papers written while editor at college,etc.


ellid
Comment posted January 7, 2010 @ 12:59 pm

Because no one cares if the President got a “satisfactory” in finger painting in 1966, that's why.


ellid
Comment posted January 7, 2010 @ 1:00 pm

I thought it was the entire population of Vulcan, actually.


ellid
Comment posted January 7, 2010 @ 1:00 pm

Aaron Burr.


Netdetective
Comment posted January 7, 2010 @ 1:58 pm

You mean the PHONEY COLB that was not provided by the State of Hawai'i–that was put on several internet sites? A valid BC provided by Hawai'i would be pretty good evidence, but it has not happened. Any remarks about a valid BC having been presented is pure PROPAGANDA–100% lies.


bob
Comment posted January 7, 2010 @ 2:02 pm

How is it fake?


Antibirther
Comment posted January 7, 2010 @ 2:04 pm

How about any fingerpaintings he did in kindergarten?


JohnC
Comment posted January 7, 2010 @ 2:06 pm

“A valid BC provided by Hawai'i would be pretty good evidence, but it has not happened.”

And how would you propose that a “valid BC” be “provided”? Should someone mail it to you personally?


Antibirther
Comment posted January 7, 2010 @ 2:07 pm

Charesl Curtis

(A VPOTUS who acutally might not have been a “natural born citizen” as he was part Indian, born on an Indian reservation in Kansas in 1860 and maybe under the laws of that time, an Indian.)


netdetective
Comment posted January 7, 2010 @ 2:13 pm

Zerobama cannot be impeached. He can be arrested for impersonating a president, for being an usurper, though. That's what prisons are for–to lock up crooks who commit fraud. His time is running out…tick, tock….tick, tock..
You can fool all the people some of the time, some of the people all the time, but not all the people all the time…A Lincoln.


kimburns
Comment posted January 7, 2010 @ 2:41 pm

ok, what about college transcripts, articles while editor at college, voting records, etc. What happened to the transparency he promised? Health care reform and arm twisting behind closed doors. Sweet deals for the dems or else a “no” vote. You think health care is expensive now just wait till it's government run. Try to answer this post like an adult, PLEASE.


mantis
Comment posted January 7, 2010 @ 3:14 pm

ok, what about college transcripts, articles while editor at college, voting records, etc.

What about them? The only people interested are whacko birthtards, and the last time I checked disclosure of such records is not a requirement for presidential candidates, nor have they traditionally provided such things.


mantis
Comment posted January 7, 2010 @ 3:17 pm

Zerobama cannot be impeached.

Indeed, because no one named Zerobama holds an impeachable office.

He can be arrested for impersonating a president, for being an usurper, though.

Really? Do tell us, under what laws?

You can fool all the people some of the time, some of the people all the time, but not all the people all the time…A Lincoln.

A better quote for you would be from GWB: “You can fool some of the people all the time, and those are the ones you want to concentrate on.”

That's the birthtards and their enablers for you. Trying to fool the many stupid Americans out there with crazy ass bullshit. Pity it works so well.


melanier
Comment posted January 7, 2010 @ 4:51 pm

Go look at the transcipt on thomas.gov where the senate approved Obama's eligibilty for the office of president. They forgot to ask if there was any reason why he was not eligible, as required by law, and no they don't have to show proof to the Senate. All that is required is a statement from the democratic or republican party, filed in each state, that they have been cerfified by the persons signing the documents that they are eligible. Guess who signed Obama's? You need to do some research, not me. I have reflected on the implications of my statement. Have you really thought about both sides? or is yours just a knee-jerk reaction like so many?


epidydimus
Comment posted January 7, 2010 @ 5:19 pm

I'm pretty sure birthers didn't want any help from crybaby Beck. The guy is so emotional he has to be a lib.


epidydimus
Comment posted January 7, 2010 @ 5:30 pm

Wow, us lowly citizens don't have the “standing” to ask for our president's papers, but Congress does, and they should've addressed this with more than a non-binding resolution long before the election. I have to question the loyalties of a man who bows to foreign dignitaries, and by his own admission, he was born a citizen of another country. I don't know how you can be a natural born citizen when you have foreign citizenship at birth. I mean, what's the point of the Constitutional clause? To keep divided allegiances out of our White House.


chrisjay
Comment posted January 7, 2010 @ 6:35 pm

Yes, epi, that's the amazing new meme from Planet Berfer: Beck is a covert Obama supporter——so many levels beyond delusional, no-one can keep up w/you loons


chrisjay
Comment posted January 7, 2010 @ 6:37 pm

b-b-b-b-but there's 'somethin funny' on the back of his berf certiffikit—that's what I heared enniways…


chrisjay
Comment posted January 7, 2010 @ 6:43 pm

Yeah, an' he gots sumpin' funny on th' back of his berf certiffikit .


thesheriffsani
Comment posted January 7, 2010 @ 6:43 pm

By his own admission? Where?

Oh, you also don't get to bitch about bowing if you didn't say word one when President Bush was exchanging cheek pecks with the Saudi King.


thesheriffsani
Comment posted January 7, 2010 @ 6:45 pm

Yep, the clock is ticking. Only what, a couple thousand more days until January 2017? President Obama had better get crackin'!

And yeah, Lincoln was right. Some of the people can be fooled all the time. They're known as Birthers.


chrisjay
Comment posted January 7, 2010 @ 6:47 pm

“You can fool whole trailerparks full of feeble-minded fastfood connosseurs if you understand the marketing techniques of carny barkers” is actually what Andy Lincoln said


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted January 7, 2010 @ 8:35 pm

The only propoganda comes from birfertards like yourself.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted January 7, 2010 @ 8:38 pm

From what planet do you come from?


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted January 7, 2010 @ 8:39 pm

Yep. I think it's a booger that some birfer wiped from the end of their finger.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted January 7, 2010 @ 8:41 pm

Yes. What about them? And while we're at it. Where are Bush's college transcripts, articles he wrote, voting records. I think we'd better go back and undo ALL presidential elections cuz there is somethin' wrong cuz I don't remember any past president having to provide so much information to satisfy the inquring minds of the simple minded birfers.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted January 7, 2010 @ 8:43 pm

grossdetective. I never seen anyone so shit all stupid as you. You musta got manure for brains.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted January 7, 2010 @ 8:47 pm

There's a guy that goes by the name of Nolu Chan that is always pointing out the problems with the birfer arguments – especially those legal shortcomings of Oily Titz. Each court case cost an average of $560. There have been 60 cases at most. That comes to $33,600 dollars total spent on a defense if indeed Obama was actually paying for the defense. But since most of the attorneys are doing it probono, there is no charge. And in those that have been dismissed, the birfers are paying for them when the defense attornies ask for reimbursement. You birthtards are a few fries short of a Happy Meal.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted January 7, 2010 @ 8:50 pm

Well, if 'they' forgot, I guess it is 'their' problem.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted January 7, 2010 @ 8:53 pm

The birfers have Xperts that deemed it to be a forgery based on their foreinsic Xamination of the digital bits from the website it was posted.


ellid
Comment posted January 7, 2010 @ 9:11 pm

I've thought about both sides, and have rejected the birthers as a bunch of lunatics on the same level as flat-earthers, Moon hoaxers, creationists, and the crazies who call Art Bell and say that the Anti-Christ waved to them while they were out walking the dog.

The President was born in Hawaii. Period.


ellid
Comment posted January 7, 2010 @ 9:13 pm

None of this is relevant to his eligibility for office, which was proven over a year ago with the release of his birth certificate.

Also, whining is not adult. Really.


ellid
Comment posted January 7, 2010 @ 9:15 pm

I question the intelligence of anyone who thinks it's perfectly fine for Presidents Reagan, Ford, Nixon, Carter, Clinton, and both Bushes to bow to the Emperor of Japan, and then calls President Obama a traitor because he exhibited common courtesy to a fellow head of state.


ellid
Comment posted January 7, 2010 @ 9:16 pm

Didn't Shrub also kiss the King on the lips and hold hands with him, in accordance with Arab custom?


alltheanswers
Comment posted January 7, 2010 @ 9:51 pm

By July,the jig will be up……………………..and gone!


katahdin
Comment posted January 7, 2010 @ 10:05 pm

In other words, Rep. Deal knows perfectly well that the birthers are crazy, but he knows that they vote. So he's perfectly willing to pander to their delusions, because humoring crazy people never hurt anyone in a Republican primary.


katahdin
Comment posted January 7, 2010 @ 10:23 pm

And come July, December will be the new deadline, then July again, then December again…


katahdin
Comment posted January 7, 2010 @ 10:44 pm

What Rep. Deal is doing is simple, but tricky. See, he thinks that if just sits on the edge of bed while the the hooker services him, but doesn't get into the bed, then he didn't “sleep” with the hooker. But the hooker could easily be enraged if he says the wrong thing, and decide to hold a tear-stained press conference, swearing that he loved him and was going to leave his wife for him.
Hooker=birthers


ellid
Comment posted January 7, 2010 @ 10:51 pm

And it's back to the klavern with you, old sport…


ellid
Comment posted January 7, 2010 @ 10:55 pm

No, I mean the actual birth certificate that was verified by two highly placed officials of the Hawaiian government AND referenced in the Hawaiian Department of Health's FAQ section on their web site.

You know. The one that was released over a year ago. The one you refuse to admit is real because it would mean that the evil black man really is a natural born citizen, and thus eligible, and thus legitimately serving as President of the United States.


ellid
Comment posted January 7, 2010 @ 10:55 pm

No, I mean the actual birth certificate that was verified by two highly placed officials of the Hawaiian government AND referenced in the Hawaiian Department of Health's FAQ section on their web site.

You know. The one that was released over a year ago. The one you refuse to admit is real because it would mean that the evil black man really is a natural born citizen, and thus eligible, and thus legitimately serving as President of the United States.


caridwade
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 12:12 am

When will these idiots get a life and get over the fact that a man of color is our president?


caridwade
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 12:18 am

To; Kimburns….Health Care is a fact, President Obama is a fact for the next 7 years, this great country of Ours, not yours, has changed. As Americans, we should and will care about and for our fellow Americans. We will no longer figure that since I have mine, buddy you need to get yours…I'm sorry if this is not “Adult” enough for you, but people like you and your Republican party of “NO”, the fringe crazies, the Birthers, the Tea Baggers etc…really need to move on and get over it.


caridwade
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 12:23 am

To: net detective or should I say nut detective, for you to call our president a criminal is criminal in and of itself. You would not know an intelligent educated man or woman if they slapped you in the face.
People that preach this nonsense such and you and others are the ones that need to be in jail, but wait, that's what makes this country so great isn't it? You can throw out there all the crazy ideas and thoughts you like…..


caridwade
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 12:30 am

To Name, all I ask is for you to display a brain, place it back in your head and try, pleeeez, to use it for a change. This man is this nation's president and there is nothing you jokers, crazies, birthers, tea baggers, republicans can do about it until 2017…..


caridwade
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 12:38 am

In summation to all the crazy talk, accusations that our president is illegal??? We need not worry because I firmly believe that the American voting populace got it right in 2008 and will get it right again in 2012.
The party of “NO” had eight years to fix at least some of this nation's problems yet did nothing but fill their personal pockets, involve us in two wars, destryed the housing market, would have allow wall street to collaspe and was very instrumental in driving jobs away.
If Americans forget that as these years pass, and allow these same self serving politicians to regain power then I guess we deserve what we get, don't you????


Anthony
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 2:46 am

Why can't we see your kindergarten records?


Anthony
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 2:52 am

If the birth certificate is phoney, why hasn't the State of Hawaii taken legal actions? Your a bright person. You could answer the question really easily.


Anthony
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 2:54 am

If you are talking about Obama, then you would realize that he actually won the election. It was world wide news. Hmmm. Have you been asleep for the past 10 years and just woke up.


Anthony
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 2:57 am

There is a problem with your arguments. When politicans talk about “transparency,” they are referring to transparency in the governance. However, when you are grasping at straws this wouldn't be apparent.


Anthony
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 3:16 am

Wow. I have been successfully smacked down by a birther. I am duly humbled. There is absolutely nothing that I can say. It seems that I need do more research to be able to determine what is fact and what isn't.

From the position that you are talking is that they State of Hawaii has not acted against a person who has produced a fake birth certificate.

I sit down and contemplate how that could have happened. The longer I think about it I realize that it is absolutely impossible.

The knee-jerk reaction is from birthers as they try to explain away an election loss.

Before you criticize others take the time and effort to completely thing out your arguments.

The is a difference between my previous argument and yours. My is based on what I expect as a safeguard of America's election process, and systems to protect the integrity of every America. Yours is based on a hope that it failed.

In final your position is not based on research it is based on selective arguing. That is where you discard everything that undermines your position, and ever argue about things where you just to realize on the negative implications for every America (including yourself).


Anthony
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 3:20 am

Standing means that you are able to prove that you have been harmed. Thus, you have to be able to demonstrate that you have been harmed by Obama and how you have been harmed. Trust me an election loss doesn't count.


Anthony
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 3:31 am

You seem to have never been to Japan. The Japanese bow when saying “hello,” “goodbye,” “thank you,” “I am sorry,” “welcome.” The Japanese bow before making a speech. The Japanese bow after a performance. The Japanese bow at the start and end of a news program. The Japanese bow when entering a room. Principles bow to their students. The Japanese bow at a start of a meeting. And the list goes on. It is part of their culture. Every foreign member of a state bow in Japan, and this includes many former presidents of America.


Anthony
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 3:34 am

I sorry to say that the birther conspiracy theory is part of our culture. There are many people who believe that this absurd conspiracy theory is true. So, I don't think birthers will be gone by July. They should have folder tent when Hawaii confirmed that the birth certificate was authentic.


Anthony
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 3:39 am

With creationist, flat eathers, and others still around your guess is as good as mine when the birther conspiracy theory will end.


melanier
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 6:38 am

Nothing in this comment even addresses a thing I said. It is rambling and bascially makes no sense. I never said I didn't think Obama was not eligible to be president. I said that the Senate did not ask for confirmation of his citizenship during the campaign, although they did ask McCain and held hearings on his eligibility just because he was born in Panama to two US citizens while his father was stationed there in the military. (Obama's father was NEVER a US citizen BTW).Laws and protocol were not followed in regards to vetting Obama's eligibility. That is my problem. I cannot fathom why he has not just settled the entire thing instead of fighting it in court, wasting taxpayer dollars on DoJ lawyers to keep his BC hidden. There is an easy solution to the entire problem, but he refuses. To me, it is the principle of the matter; act suspicious and people will think you have something to hide.


Anthony
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 7:36 am

The problem is that you are propagating the birther conspiracy theory. Nothing more and nothing less.

Let us look at some facts.

Obama has release a “certification of live birth” on-line which has two very important legal terminologies on them.

In mixed case; there are the words “This copy serves as prima falce evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding.”

Next, in all upper case; “Any alteration invalidates this certification.”

The first part indication that the document is legal proof of birth. The second part indicates that the issuing agency will not support the document if anything is changed.

The document states the place of birth as Honolulu, Oahu, Honolulu, and indicates that the agency is the State of Hawaii, Department of Health Hawaii U.S.A.

This means that Hawaii's DoH is indicating that Obama actual place of birth is in Hawaii.

Additionally, the Hawaii's DoH made a press release stating that they “have seen the original vital records … verifying … Obama was born in Hawai'i and is a natural-born American citizen.” This press release clearly indicates that Hawai'I actually confirms that the COLF is authentic. If there was any dispute the Hawaii's DoH would have indicated that, and it would have been big news.

On a minor point. The actual document on both sides has been inspected, and indicated as authentic with all pertain information on it.

Thus it is concluded that Hawai'i's DoH has the actually birth documents and that the genuine birth certificate has been release to the public by Obama.

This makes your comment “There is an easy solution to the entire problem, but he refuses” factually false.

What is that solution? Release his original birth certificate? What? In English certification and certificate have totally different meanings? What? The meaning of genuine and authentic have incompatible meaning in English?

Word deceptions don't work with native-level English speakers, so stop it.

Hawaii has confirmed that the birth certificate that Obama has released is authentic.

There is nothing to settle. The fight is being brought to the courts based on people who refuse to acknowledge a genuine birth certificate.

I agree with “it is the principle of the matter; act suspicious and people will think you have something to hide.” Your comments and behavior are suspicious. So what are you hiding?


ellid
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 8:22 am

There was no reason for the Senate to ask Obama to confirm his citizenship because, unlike McCain, he was born on American soil. He released a copy of his birth certificate over a year ago. It is not his fault that fanatics and race-baiters refuse to accept this, and he has every right to defend himself against these ridiculous lawsuits.


kimburns
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 9:59 am

Both parties are raping our country. You cannot get wealthier by dividing the wealth. We have crippled generations with welfare and social programs in addition to ballooning our deficit. Health care solutions that might work but won't be put forward would be tort reform, eligibility across state lines and guaranteeing coverage. They want to fix a problem that 15% of the people have and 85% of the people don't. This health care bill is not the way. Let's fix it for the 15% and leave the rest alone. BTW I'm not a Republican. I am a fiscal conservative and a liberal socially.


kimburns
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 10:02 am

I have no problem a man of color is in the WH. As a matter of fact I thought he would bring about change not socialism so it's a disagreement of beliefs.


kimburns
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 10:04 am

Give me your address I'll forward them to you.


lindapotts
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 10:05 am

awesome comment. very awesome.


Anthony
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 10:07 am

You seem to approve the behavior of the 15% while at the same time condemning them. So you approve that some of those 85% can be denies health care coverage. Remember this it is the 15% who benefits from only providing health care healthy people so that they can pad their profits.

I do approve people abusing the health care system being punish, but oppose any person being denied health care coverage because of their health condition.


Anthony
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 10:08 am

Just post it on the internet. It would be a lot quicker.


kimburns
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 11:19 am

Anthony,
85% have health coverage 15% do not. I agree healthcare should not be based on health conditions. My worry is that most of the 15% are young people who do not have health conditions and therefore no need for insurance. I did not have health insurance for many years because I didn't need it. Under this new plan if the young don't sign up we will see premiums skyrocket to cover those with health conditions. We need to fix the system but not this way. Also remember that the American dream is profits and a better way of life. We are lucky to live here. I would like to see the common man ( not lawyers ) running the government and term limits so that Congress and the Senate cannot do the things that they are doing for special interest groups. See, we're not so far apart.


Name
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 11:37 am

Perhaps you have forgotten, but most of the housing market and economic woes we face today were put in motion during the Clinton years. Many of the same people who decided that removing leverage limits and repealing Glass-Steagel were good ideas are now back with the Obama administration. Don't sit here and insist that Democrats are going to fix everything when they are just as bad as the Republicans.


katahdin
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 11:58 am

Bush wrote articles? Come on.


Anthony
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 12:13 pm

To be honest. I am not worried. I don't believe what has been proposed will solve the problem. American is a nations built on a mixture of political beliefs. This includes caring for others and hard work should be rewarded. The are part of the reform that I disagree with, but must accept that America is a modern democracy.


mantis
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 1:37 pm

Yes, we know. Everything bad that happened during Bush's two terms in office was Clinton's fault, and every problem Bush left behind is Obama's fault.

It's funny when Republicans, who have no interest in effective governance or solving problems, and in fact hate government and work to make it as ineffective as possible, toss blame at everyone else for the results of their efforts. Here's a hint: when your party actively tries to destroy all working aspects of the government, while simultaneously bankrupting it, the results are your fucking fault. Own it.


mantis
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 1:49 pm

You cannot get wealthier by dividing the wealth.

Unless you had none to begin with.

We have crippled generations with welfare and social programs in addition to ballooning our deficit.

Which generations are crippled, exactly?

Health care solutions that might work but won't be put forward would be tort reform, eligibility across state lines and guaranteeing coverage.

Those aren't solutions, but Republican gifts to help balloon the profits of insurance companies. None of them would address any of the core problems of our system, except guaranteeing coverage, which doesn't work without an individual mandate, which Republicans now oppose (even though many supported it in the past), and would be meaningless when paired with “eligibility across state lines,” which will only push the system towards more health insurance monopolies and virtual monopolies, driving up costs even further.

They want to fix a problem that 15% of the people have and 85% of the people don't.

And this is a bad thing why, exactly?

This health care bill is not the way.

It will greatly improve our healthcare system, and provide coverage for millions who go with out. It will save lives. It's not perfect, but it is a big step forward.

Let's fix it for the 15% and leave the rest alone.

Ok fine. We'll open up Medicare to anyone who wants it. Everyone who already has coverage can do nothing. Sound good, or do you want to at least pretend you understand the complexities of the problems we face the kind of solutions needed to address them?

BTW I'm not a Republican. I am a fiscal conservative and a liberal socially.

So am I. Health care reform is the fiscally conservative position. Anyone who doesn't want to address the problem is not a fiscal conservative.


mantis
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 1:56 pm

My worry is that most of the 15% are young people who do not have health conditions and therefore no need for insurance.

Why don't you stop depending on vague “worries,” and base your opinions on actual data?

Under this new plan if the young don't sign up we will see premiums skyrocket to cover those with health conditions.

Not with an individual mandate we won't.

I would like to see the common man ( not lawyers )

Yes, let's make sure nobody with formal legal education writes laws. Do you even understand what the result of that would be?


mantis
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 1:57 pm

Define socialism. Can you?


mantis
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 1:58 pm

Forged!


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chrisjay
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 4:30 pm

Actually, Name makes a good point, although he doesn't even know it:
One way of getting around the “which president/congressperson is at fault here” back-&-forth on the economy, is to take one step back and redirect the question as:
which brilliant economic philosophy brought us massive deregulation?
'Name' me some Repubs who support Glass-Steagel—I don't have time & space to name the Demos who support it. Why don't those Demos get off their fat asses and do something about it? If you are asking that question non-rhetorically, well, I guess you're not a very good rightwinger…


chrisjay
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 4:41 pm

“they want to fix a problem that 15% of the people have and 85 % of the people don't”
but kimburns probably doesn't see it as a problem when the wealthiest 10% dictate virtually everything in this country to the 90% of us who are relative peasants—–maybe if the 10% started owning up to their tax responsibilities most of this country's crises could be solved overnight.


JohnC
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 6:36 pm

In the campaign he said he supported:

(1) Universal health care
(2) A bailout of the banks
(3) Higher taxes for the wealthiest brackets

…what kind of change did you think he meant? How is what was “good” change in 2008 is now “bad” socialism in 2009-'10?


JohnC
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 6:43 pm

“He can be arrested for impersonating a president, for being an usurper, though”

Only in the parallel universe in which the birthers inhabit can a person who has an official document stating he was born in this country, and receives 365 electoral votes and 69,456,897 popular votes for president be “impersonating” the president.

The fact is, you can't accept the results under our democratic system, so you're stirring up a phony “constitutional” controversy so you can delude yourself that you're some sort of patriot when in fact you're simply reinventing the Constitution to generate a politically satisfactory outcome.


thesheriffsani
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 7:06 pm

But Red Graham told us the date would be January 26th! Now its July?

And of course, when July rolls around and Barack Hussein Obama is still our President, you'll move it to January again. Those wheels on your goalposts must be really well-oiled.


LeNom
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 8:04 pm

started in Clinton's time? well dubya had 8 years to undo it and the one who is most recently voted in office in 2000 calls the shots. but he didn't because he was to befuddled by all that 'complicated stuff nyark, nyark'. the repubs had 8 years in office and all they will be remembered for is Iraq 2.0


RedGraham
Comment posted January 9, 2010 @ 2:21 am

“What is the real intention of this Kenyan, Indonesian communist usurper? Is it to provide security for us or to destroy our security? Judge for yourself.
Seeing targeted destruction of our economy, our security, dissipation of American jobs, massive corruption in the Government, Congress Department of Justice and Judiciary, it might be time to start rallies and protests using our second amendment right to bare arms and organise in militias.” per Attorney Orly Taitz


Anthony
Comment posted January 9, 2010 @ 9:16 am

You posted the exact same thing on “Rep. Nathan Deal’s Birtherism, Investigated.” What you think that cutting and pasting a comment made by a lawyer that has shown disrespect to our judicial system adds anything to your “Alice in Wonderland” conspiracy theory.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 9, 2010 @ 7:51 pm

ellid:
So–you finally got to the race card! Saul Alinsky would be proud of you and your cohorts on this thread who use insults and propaganda to shout down your opposition, and when that doesn’t work try using the word “racist”–it don’t work any more.
The State of Hawai’i did not admit releasing the COLB that was shown on the internet–they did not claim any ownership of it. It was dated 2007. As for birth certificates: The one shown and introduced in court with a sworn statement as to how it was obtained was one issued by a hospital in Mobassa, Kenya that clearly shows that Obama was born there in 1961, and contrary to the propaganda, is the REAL birth certificate of the one you koolaid drinkers are so in love with. This may signify that he might even be an alien–not a U.S. citizen. That birth certificate has been shown on the internet also.
For your futher edification: Obama is not a black man, per se. He is 50% white, 44% arab, and 6% negro. So this black and white racial stuff is baloney–sonething he has used to further his cause–to fool people. The FIIRST black president was a man named Hansen–not Obama.
Obama is not a Natural born citizen because one of his parents (his father) was not a citizen.
The DOJ boiler room is working overtime on this thread. Hope you are being paid well for your name calling and demeaning posts.


Anthony
Comment posted January 10, 2010 @ 12:22 am

You must be paranoid. They is nothing wrong with a good opposition, but a lunatic fringe movement isn’t opposition. They are just people who enter in crazy talk.

There is absolutely nothing called race. It is a false construction by those who want to classify people as “us” and “the others.”

An individual post a “fake” birth certificate on the internet and the issuing office refuses to take action. Or, that same issuing office doesn’t state the document is incorrectly being used. So, are you saying that the State of Hawaii is not taking responsibility to force the remove of a “fake” birth certificate. So, after two years the State of Hawaii is just ignoring the issue and hasn’t said the birth certificate can’t be used as proof of “natural-born” citizen status.

Those who spread the birther conspiracy theory are real morons. They just don’t realize the implication of their nonsense.

Obama is the duly elected president of America, and was born in the State of Hawaii as a natural-born citizen.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted January 10, 2010 @ 1:05 am

“it might be time to start rallies and protests using our second amendment right to bare arms and organise in militias”

Sedition. Enjoy federal prison.


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netdetective
Comment posted January 10, 2010 @ 8:54 pm

NOT_AXJ
Aren't you lucky to make such remarks incognito. The coward that you are would not say such things face to face because you know what the consequences would be.
As for Anthony and John C: you two are certainly brilliant peices of humankind who would do well getting a little more education before you indulge in political discussions. Try reading our Constitution, Bill Of Rights, and Federalists Papers while they are still around. Right now you still have some freedoms. If you think violating the Constitution is okay, and apparently you do, then stick with the ursurper, but don't expect him to buy you a car or a new home. You will be lucky to have anything of value if he has his way. Welcome to Amerika.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 11, 2010 @ 2:09 am

Anthony–See my respose made earlier to you. I agree with you–I must be paranoid or some kind of crazy to even respond to you and your likes. It is impossible to debate with a mentally challenged person who lies and believes it himself. One day maybe you will be cured.


Anthony
Comment posted January 10, 2010 @ 9:10 pm

I though the discussion was about the validity of the presidents birth certificate or where he was born. From reading your comments it does seem to be about any political issues at all. However, thank you for admitting that your comments are political in intent.

Let me rewrite part of my comment. Obama had won the 2008 presidential election. McCain got on stage a conceded the election.

So don't lecture me on the various laws of America, since it is obvious you only respect it when it is to your advantage.


netdetective
Comment posted January 10, 2010 @ 9:24 pm

Tell Holder to do his job right. Maybe the boiler room is not near his office and you cannot relay that message. Maybe I wouldn't be able to tell an educated person if they slapped me in the face, but I can certainly tell one who is TRYING to act intellegent and give out phoney information in the process. For your info I am not a Republican or who you refer to as Birther. I am an American veteran of the USAF and willing to let cowards like you spout off without facing the music.
Zerobama is finished. No second term. Maybe, if judges suddenly do theri jobs right, he will be out in less than a year.How many names do you use on this thread? A lot of you sound like the same person. Hmmmm


Anthony
Comment posted January 11, 2010 @ 2:29 am

This was in your comment.

“The State of Hawai’i did not admit releasing the COLB that was shown on the internet–they did not claim any ownership of it.”

Please explain to me why Hawaii has take no action to secure the integrity of their Vital Statistics.

Why hasn’t the State of Hawaii indicate that the COLB can’t be used as proof of natural-born citizenship?

Why hasn’t the State of Hawaii take legal action to force the remove of the COLB?

Why hasn’t any law enforcement agency take any action?

You refuse to consider the implication of the your conspiracy theory. You are a fool to really think that your conspiracy theory only has an impact on the president.

Attempting to insult me will not work. It just demonstrates that you really have nothing to say, and anything to support your position.


Anthony
Comment posted January 10, 2010 @ 9:35 pm

What does the fact that you being “an American veteran of the USAF,” have anything to do with the presidents natural-born citizen status.

Here is what you need to do. You have to think through all the information logically. I have heard many different conspiracy theories or peoples pet theories, and when considered they just don't make sense. This is the problem the conspiracy theory that you support has.


caridwade
Comment posted January 11, 2010 @ 2:07 pm

No..there is no effort on the part of President Obama's supporters to
confuse confused people like you. I am only one of many that see you for
what you are. You continue to pretend that what has happened, did not
happen. This President will prevail and he will move on after 2017. Sorry,
but no matter what you call him, no matter what you think of him, he is
still this COUNTRY's President.
Just because you served in the USAF, as I did, you should be ashamed to call
yourself an American the way you talk about, feel about this Very, I repeat,
Very intelligent man of color, who just happens to be your president. Open
your mind, sir….


chrisjay
Comment posted January 11, 2010 @ 3:56 pm

netdetective, most vets I know are much clearer thinkers than you, by far: “No second term” : so far so good, 'cause the USA which I SERVED militarily is a democracy & you can become politically active and support a Repub or even a Teabagger to run against that second term of Obama's.
But then you go and spoil the civics lesson with your juvenile squealing about judges 'doing their job' and getting Obama out 'in less than a year'. So, clearly, you are quite clueless and deserve to be mocked and ridiculed for the Birftard that you are.


RedGraham
Comment posted January 11, 2010 @ 4:53 pm

Obama Bars Access To His Records
On his first day in office, January 21, 2009, Obama signed Executive Order 13489. This order was entered into the Federal Register on January 26, 2009.
What this executive order says, is that only the Attorney General (Eric Holder) and Council to the President,(Gregory Craig) are able to review presidential records requests and determine if they can be made public or not.(See Section 3)
In other words, you aren't going to see any records or documents that Obama doesn't want you to see.
It shouldn't surprise anyone that Obama's first official act was to deny access to his records. Obama has lived for 48 years without leaving any footprints — none! There is no Obama documentation — no bona fides — no paper trail — nothing.
Original, vault copy birth certificate — Not released
Certificate of Live Birth — Released — Counterfeit
Obama/Dunham marriage license — Not released
Obama/Dunham divorce — Released (by independent investigators)
Soetoro/Dunham marriage license — Not released
Soetoro adoption records — Not released
Soetoro/Dunham divorce — Released (by independent investigators)
Fransiskus Assisi School School application — Released (by independent investigators)
Punahou School records — Not released
Selective Service Registration — Released — Counterfeit
Occidental College records — Not released
Passport — Not released and records scrubbed clean by Obama's terrorism and intelligence adviser.
Columbia College records — Not released
Columbia thesis — Not released
Harvard College records — Not released
Harvard Law Review articles — None
Baptism certificate — None
Medical records — Not released
Illinois State Senate records — None
Illinois State Senate schedule — Lost
Law practice client list — Not released
University of Chicago scholarly articles — None
My opinion? Obama is a fraud, a phony, and should not be allowed to stay in the position he is in. He is a disgrace to the office of President. Where is the openness he promised on the campaign trail?


netdetective
Comment posted January 11, 2010 @ 6:05 pm

To crisjay – caridwade – anthony:
Get back to me when YOUR president is exposed for the fraud and usurper he is. He has already been exposed as a LIAR. Don't worry about my mental condition which is in better health than all three of yours combined. And I am proud to call myself an AMERICAN and not a peepsqueek like you three hypnotized (if not paid off) jerks. See–I've read Saul Alinsky, too. You quasi-intellectual types are all alike–no common sense to know when you are being played like drum by that long-legged mack daddy who will not be in the WH after 2012–for sure. Did you check out the Kenyan birth certificate? My last post. on this subject, which was supposed to be about Deal questioning Obama's legality which he has every right to do, as does all REAL Americans. Waste of time messing with you fools.


netdetective
Comment posted January 11, 2010 @ 6:16 pm

RedGraham: Thanks for taking the time to post the above. You are a true AMERICAN.


ellid
Comment posted January 12, 2010 @ 9:41 am

As has been pointed out repeatedly, the executive order in question not only didn't have a damn thing to do with the President's private records, it *reversed* Bush-era secrecy requirements. Why do you keep lying this way? And why do you think you're not going to be called on it, Gunny/Gummy/KitKat/whatever?


ellid
Comment posted January 12, 2010 @ 9:42 am

Oh, he's an American idiot all right.


Preston
Comment posted January 12, 2010 @ 12:59 pm

So maybe the Brit, Neil Sankey can succeed where the Russian immigrant (from the Moldavian Soviet Socialist Republic) has failed, bring it on.

Poor little Birthers (still in denial about their losses), Judge Land and now judge Carter, smack down the crazies (case dismissed).

Not even “Fake News” Glenn Beck or Bill O’Reilly believes the crazies, how funny.

http://trueslant.com/erikkain/2010/01/05/glenn-…

http://belowthebeltway.com/2009/10/29/bill-orei…

http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_evidence…

To all the birthers in La, La Land, it is on you to prove to all of us that your assertion is true (TOUGH WHEN YOU KEEP LOSING CASES), if there are people who were there and support your position then show us the video (everyone has a price), either put up or frankly shut-up. I heard Orly Taitz, is selling a tape (I think it’s called “Money, Lies and Video tape”). She is from Orange County, CA, now I know what the mean when they say “behind the Orange Curtain”, when they talk about Orange County, the captial of Conspiracy Theories. You know Obama has a passport, he travel abroad before he was a Senator, but I guess they were in on it.

In my opinion the Republican Party has been taken over the most extreme religious right (people who love to push their beliefs on others while trying to take away the rights of those they just hate) and that’s who they need to extract from their party if they real want to win. Good Luck, because as they said in WACO, “We Ain’t Coming Out”.

I wonder if she is a mail order bride, just like her law degree? She is perfect reporter material for “Fake News”, where unfounded rumors and innuendo reign supreme , unlike a our US courts of law, where you need to present documented facts, not half baked lies (prepare for more failures).

A lawyer, dentist, realtor and black belt, WOW I must say a JACK of all trades master of none

I heard that she now wants to investigate the “Republican 2009 Summer of Love” list: Assemblyman, Michael D. Duvall (CA), Senator John Ensign (NV), Senator Paul Stanley (TN), Governor Mark Stanford (SC), Board of Ed Chair, and Kristin Maguire AKA Bridget Keeney (SC). She wants to re-establish a family values party.

I can only hope that Taitz will resist the state collectors that will be hounding her like the “ruff ruff” that she is to collect the $20K.


JohnC
Comment posted January 12, 2010 @ 2:30 pm

Yeah, he's sure better than those false Americans. Not. But thanks for the patriotic elitism, though.


jayhg
Comment posted January 12, 2010 @ 2:35 pm

RedGrahm said: “My opinion? Obama is a fraud, a phony, and should not be allowed to stay in the position he is in. He is a disgrace to the office of President. Where is the openness he promised on the campaign trail?”

RedGraham……didn't your mother tell you that OPINIONS are like assholes….everybody has one!!!.


jayhg
Comment posted January 12, 2010 @ 2:55 pm

crisjay….caridwade…….anthony…ya'll have really pissed netdetective off……listen to him talk about “peepsqueek's' and “long-legged mack daddyies.”

He remembers his birfers talking points real, real, REAL good..he is so intellectualllllllll…….damn…..I'm getting too much pleasure out of mocking these dumb ass birfers!!


chrisjay
Comment posted January 12, 2010 @ 3:36 pm

LOL
Red says “My opinion?” AS IF somebody had asked for it!!
ha ha ha ha!!!


RedGraham
Comment posted January 12, 2010 @ 5:00 pm

http://obamabirthers.blogspot.com/
Obama was putting out as late as 2004 that he was BORN in KENYA. Obama is an illegitimate President. he was not a “natural born citizen” as the Constitution requires to run for President. WHY HAVE OUR SENATORS & REPRESENTATIVES NOT SERVED EVICTION NOTICES W/THE BACKING OF THE FBI?


ellid
Comment posted January 12, 2010 @ 6:06 pm

*mwawawa mwawawa mwawawa*


Preston
Comment posted January 13, 2010 @ 12:04 pm

So maybe the Brit, Neil Sankey can succeed where the Russian immigrant (from the Moldavian Soviet Socialist Republic) has failed, bring it on.

Poor little Birthers (still in denial about their losses), Judge Land and now judge Carter, smack down the crazies (case dismissed).

Not even “Fake News” Glenn Beck or Bill O’Reilly believes the crazies, how funny.

http://trueslant.com/erikkain/2010/01/05/glenn-…

http://belowthebeltway.com/2009/10/29/bill-orei…

http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_evidence…

To all the birthers in La, La Land, it is on you to prove to all of us that your assertion is true (TOUGH WHEN YOU KEEP LOSING CASES), if there are people who were there and support your position then show us the video (everyone has a price), either put up or frankly shut-up. I heard Orly Taitz, is selling a tape (I think it’s called “Money, Lies and Video tape”). She is from Orange County, CA, now I know what the mean when they say “behind the Orange Curtain”, when they talk about Orange County, the captial of Conspiracy Theories. You know Obama has a passport, he travel abroad before he was a Senator, but I guess they were in on it.

In my opinion the Republican Party has been taken over the most extreme religious right (people who love to push their beliefs on others while trying to take away the rights of those they just hate) and that’s who they need to extract from their party if they real want to win. Good Luck, because as they said in WACO, “We Ain’t Coming Out”.

I wonder if she is a mail order bride, just like her law degree? She is perfect reporter material for “Fake News”, where unfounded rumors and innuendo reign supreme , unlike a our US courts of law, where you need to present documented facts, not half baked lies (prepare for more failures).

A lawyer, dentist, realtor and black belt, WOW I must say a JACK of all trades master of none

I heard that she now wants to investigate the “Republican 2009 Summer of Love” list: Assemblyman, Michael D. Duvall (CA), Senator John Ensign (NV), Senator Paul Stanley (TN), Governor Mark Stanford (SC), Board of Ed Chair, and Kristin Maguire AKA Bridget Keeney (SC). She wants to re-establish a family values party.

I can only hope that Taitz will resist the state collectors that will be hounding her like the “ruff ruff” that she is to collect the $20K.


RedGraham
Comment posted January 14, 2010 @ 1:31 am

Still waiting for the Original Birth Certificate & college records before I believe Obama is not an illegal-alien.


ellid
Comment posted January 14, 2010 @ 12:32 pm

College records – not relevant to citizenship.

Birth certificate – released over a year ago.

Gunny/Red/KitKat/Asswipe/BillyBob/Jerkoff – still psychotic.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 14, 2010 @ 6:01 pm

Wish you would name the former presidents who had bowed. I’ve never seen that footage. Even if this point is valid, why bow to a Saudi Prince?


Anonymous
Comment posted January 14, 2010 @ 6:05 pm

Thanks for the lesson, I know what standing is. If my post gave you the impression that I think birthers have standing, I’m sorry I didn’t express myself more clearly. The fact is only Congress can qualify or disqualify Obama. They’re also the only ones who can remove him. Birthers are using the courts to keep the issue alive, and it looks like they have Mr. Deal at least curious.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 14, 2010 @ 6:06 pm

Maybe if he hadn’t bowed to the Saudi Royalty like he was one of their subjects, I wouldn’t be so paranoid.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 14, 2010 @ 6:09 pm

Wow, all I said was Beck wasn’t a conservative because conservatives don’t cry. Wow.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 14, 2010 @ 6:12 pm

Well I guess I do get to bitch about it, because I never voted for Bush, and certainly wasn’t happy about him smooching with Saudi Royalty. As for “by his own admission,” read his books. He admits his father was a citizen of Kenya and a subject of the UK. That’s all he admitted to. For some that’s enough to disqualify him, if you agree with common law and Thomas Paine and such.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted January 15, 2010 @ 9:33 am

Don't stop believe'n. Hold on to your dreams.


Palin4Prez
Comment posted January 16, 2010 @ 3:45 am

Obama mentions seeing his “Birth Certificate” on page 26 of 'Dreams of My Father'. Why won't he release THAT Birth Certificate? Unless it's from Kenya than I understand. Why not the college records unless he attended as a Foreign Student than I understand. On the face of the evidence that Obama Senior was a Kenyan-Brit/transient alien BHO cannot possibly meet the natural born citizen requirement of the Constitution. We need to put this imposter out on his ear ASAP.


Anthony
Comment posted January 16, 2010 @ 10:49 pm

“Get back to me when YOUR president is exposed for the fraud and usurper he is.” — Man are you ever disillusioned. It would have been easier to just ignore your comment as your disillusion will never become try. No matter how long you pray or hope, it will never become true.

Man you are really confused.


Anthony
Comment posted January 16, 2010 @ 10:54 pm

An American moron is more like it.


Anthony
Comment posted January 16, 2010 @ 11:32 pm

More misinformation. In late 2004 people were considering Obama a possible future president, after his speech at the Democratic Party's convention. Please stay awake you might learn something.


Anthony
Comment posted January 16, 2010 @ 11:47 pm

Over a year of attempt Neil Sankey will and has as successful as Ms. Taitz. Both is continually failing, but having been shown to be disillusioned.


Anthony
Comment posted January 16, 2010 @ 11:54 pm

You remind me a person looking for their glasses. They search everywhere. While all the time not wondering why they can see perfectly. Your problem is a refusal to accept the facts. That is it.


Anthony
Comment posted January 17, 2010 @ 5:10 am

You are an utter moron. Did you honestly miss the fact that bowing is an integral part of Japanese culture, or are you really that stupid. It also seems that you forgot Bush holding hands with a Saudi leader, or are you that blinded by your disillusioned.

When you can produce a logical argument I will love to hear it.


Anthony
Comment posted January 17, 2010 @ 5:17 am

About a year after the president has been sworn into office. About 16 months after the election. Man you are really disillusioned. Barak H. Obama is the president. So, not matter what nonsense you type will not change that.

Those who subscribe to the birther conspiracy theory are using the courts for political purposes. This is not what the courts have been designed for. When a person brings a case towards the courts where they have no legal standing they are thrown out.

Mr. Deal has put himself in a position that can damage him politically, ie allow himself to lose an election.


Anthony
Comment posted January 17, 2010 @ 5:20 am

“Wow, all I said was Beck wasn’t a conservative because conservatives don’t cry.”

Unless they are caught in a bathroom have sex with another man. Or, having an affair with someone who isn’t their wife. Keep making things up, as it is really amusing.


Anthony
Comment posted January 17, 2010 @ 1:30 am

What causes birthers problem is their belief that people will not check anything they write. The page that you mention is about an article, which was with his birth certificate. You are a kind of person who clings to the word “26″ thinking that it has some significant meaning.

A Hawaiian Certification of Live Birth meets the requirement of being natural born citizen in the Constitution. No amount of nonsense birthers type will change that facts.


RedGraham
Comment posted January 18, 2010 @ 3:24 pm

Maya Soetoro-Ng, Barack's sister, said that Barack was a Muslim and so was their Mom (Stanley Ann Dunham) and Obama's step-Father (Lolo Soetoro) in an interview with the New York Times published on April 30 2007. http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/30/us/politics… …
Obama's Mom is a Muslim. Indonesian laws and Islamic customs, Sharia Law, forbid Muslims from marrying a different religion. It was illegal in Indonesia to have dual citizenships. So both Obama and his Mother “Ann” lost their U.S. citizenship when moving to Indonesia. The Indonesian government only began acknowledging dual citizenship in November of 2006; The Hague Convention of 1930 and argues that since Indonesia did not allow dual citizenship, neither did the United States when it came to Indonesia.
Obama's Mom can NOT be an Athiest, like he claims, because Indonesia Law, does not recognize Atheists or Agnostics. Ann & Lolo (Obama's Step-Father), were both Muslims. Indonesian Law: “Marriage partners must have the same religion, otherwise one partner must make a written declaration of change of religion.”


ellid
Comment posted January 18, 2010 @ 4:53 pm

Hey, everyone! Let's play a fun new game! It's called “SPOT THE LIES IN GUNNY'S LATEST ILLITERATE RANT!” It's easy and quick, and you can win fun prizes, like getting to MOCK A LYING TRAILER PARK NEANDERTHAL WHO HATES AMERICA!!!!! Won't that be fun?


Anonymous
Comment posted January 19, 2010 @ 4:24 am

Last year,I predicted that a gunman would open fire at an LA Fitness Club.Check it out on You Tube under LA Fitness Commercial.The eclipse of July 11 is going to make Lucky Luciano the second most famous USA deportee.BTW-Look up Thomas Gangemi on Wikipedia,if you don’t think that an illegal alien could hold office.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 19, 2010 @ 4:28 am

Why was it funny when it was in a Mel Brooks movie?


alltheanswers
Comment posted January 18, 2010 @ 11:43 pm

All of you backed that other Columbia fraud,Charles Van Doren,and YOU WERE WRONG.All of you backed Clifford Irving,and YOU WERE WRONG.All of you backed Richard Nixon,and YOU WERE WRONG.All of you backed Bill Clinton,and YOU WERE WRONG.All of you couldn't believe that a gunman would open fire at an LA Fitness Club,and YOU WERE WRONG.Yesterday,all of you believed that the Chargers would beat the Jets,and YOU WERE WRONG.

When are you going to learn that the crowd is always wrong?In each instance,I was proven correct.On whom would you bet?

Soon after the eclipse of July 11,events will take place that will make Lucky Luciano only the second most famous deportee in USA history.Biden dare not interfere or there will be few Democrats in Congress next January.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 19, 2010 @ 3:00 pm

Well, anyone would if their life is completely ruined. I was talking about crying over what the left is doing. Beck just hams it up for ratings.

I’m not sure what “things” I made up, but I’m glad it amuses you.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 19, 2010 @ 3:00 pm

Well, anyone would if their life is completely ruined. I was talking about crying over what the left is doing. Beck just hams it up for ratings.

I’m not sure what “things” I made up, but I’m glad it amuses you.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 19, 2010 @ 3:00 pm

Well, anyone would if their life is completely ruined. I was talking about crying over what the left is doing. Beck just hams it up for ratings.

I’m not sure what “things” I made up, but I’m glad it amuses you.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 19, 2010 @ 3:01 pm

Well, anyone would if their life is completely ruined. I was talking about crying over what the left is doing. Beck just hams it up for ratings.

I’m not sure what “things” I made up, but I’m glad it amuses you.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 19, 2010 @ 3:01 pm

Well, anyone would if their life is completely ruined. I was talking about crying over what the left is doing. Beck just hams it up for ratings.

I’m not sure what “things” I made up, but I’m glad it amuses you.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 19, 2010 @ 3:40 pm

I never forget about Bush, my hatred of him has grown since he destroyed the borders of the great Republic of Texas. One question, did the Emporer bow back? I didn’t see him bow. Maybe the video was “edited.”

“blinded by your disillusioned”

Is that supposed to be english? Grab a dictionary and thesaurus next time you’re out.


ellid
Comment posted January 19, 2010 @ 11:48 am

1. Charles Van Doren appeared on Twenty-One in 1957. I was born in 1960. Please explain how I could possibly have backed Charles Van Doren as an unripe egg in one of my mother's ovaries. I am mystified by this concept and wish to know more.

2. I was in elementary school when Clifford Irving attempted to publish the fake Hughes autobiography. Please explain how I could have supported him when I didn't even know who Howard Hughes was.

3. Nixon won the Presidency in 1968 and 1972. As I was legally unable to vote until 1980, please explain how I am supposed to assume some share of guilt for Nixon's elections. My family was solidly middle class and did not own a TARDIS, so I am confused.

4. I held my nose and voted for Clinton, but I would not have cried if he'd resigned. I would have been very pleased if Secretary Clinton had divorced him, however, and positively ecstatic if she'd publicly castrated him on the South Lawn.

5. I'm not sure what the LA Fitness shooter has to do with anything, nor what I could personally have done to prevent him from going on a rampage. I haven't lived in Pittsburgh since 1982, and I've never even *been* in Scott Township.

6. I don't follow football when the Pats or the Steelers aren't involved.

7. What does a solar eclipse in Vanuatu have to do with American politics?

8. You mean we're finally going to deport Orly Taitz for her seditious activities and cornering of the American mascara market?


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted January 19, 2010 @ 12:10 pm

Wow. You're a special kind of crazy. I hope you're posting from behind federally locked doors. Do you have a poster of James Von Brunn in a thong on your wall?


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted January 19, 2010 @ 12:12 pm

Can't decide which person you are?

Guess what? Obama is President and there's not a damn thing you can do about it!

Isn't reality fun?


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted January 19, 2010 @ 12:12 pm

What you want, like you, is irrelevant.


Palin4Prez
Comment posted January 20, 2010 @ 1:17 am

There have already been dozens of legal challenges to Obama's status as a “natural born citizen.” The Constitution, Article 2, Section 1, states, “No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President.”
Some of the lawsuits question whether he was actually born in Hawaii, as he insists. If he was born out of the country, Obama's American mother, the suits contend, was too young at the time of his birth to confer American citizenship to her son under the law at the time.
Other challenges have focused on Obama's citizenship through his father, a Kenyan subject to the jurisdiction of the United Kingdom at the time of his birth, thus making him a dual citizen. The cases contend the framers of the Constitution excluded dual citizens from qualifying as natural born.
Complicating the situation is Obama's decision to spend sums estimated in excess of $1.7 million to avoid releasing a state birth certificate that would put to rest all of the questions.
Among the documentation not yet available for Obama includes kindergarten records, Punahou school records, Occidental College records, Columbia University records, Columbia thesis, Harvard Law School records, Harvard Law Review articles, scholarly articles from the University of Chicago, passport, medical records, his files from his years as an Illinois state senator, his Illinois State Bar Association records, any baptism records, and his adoption records. We must put this madman monster out on his ear ASAP.


ellid
Comment posted January 20, 2010 @ 7:40 am

We've heard it all. Still boring, and still wrong.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted January 20, 2010 @ 12:06 pm

The level of bigotry and stupidity is thoroughly disgusting. These birfers and identity thieves are vile, lying traitors and scum who don't deserve U.S. citizenship.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted January 20, 2010 @ 12:08 pm

DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH
News Release
LINDA LINGLE
GOVERNOR
_________________________________________________________________________________________________________
CHIYOME LEINAALA FUKINO M.D.
DIRECTOR
_________________________________________________________________________________________________________
For Immediate Release: July 27, 2009 09-063
STATEMENT BY HEALTH DIRECTOR CHIYOME FUKINO, M.D.
“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawai?i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai‘i State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai‘i and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago.”
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Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted January 20, 2010 @ 12:11 pm

Liar. Keep smearing your mouth with lipstick while prancing around in your mom's high heels.

PRESIDENT OBAMA REVOKES BUSH PRESIDENTIAL RECORDS EXECUTIVE ORDER (UPDATED JAN. 26)
On January 21, in one of his first official acts, President Barack Obama revoked the Bush administration’s Executive Order 13233 that severely limited access by the public to presidential records. Click here to see a copy of President Obama’s new Executive Order 13489: http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/Exec…
President Obama firmly committed his administration to a new policy of transparency by symbolically issuing the executive order on his first full day in office. The issuance of the Obama presidential records executive order ends a nearly eight year effort by historians, archivists, political scientists and other stakeholders in federal courts and on Capitol Hill to have the Bush EO revoked on legal grounds or by statute.
The language in the Obama executive order is similar to Executive Order 12667 issued by President Reagan in 1989 which was also in effect during the presidencies of George H.W. Bush and Bill Clinton. The Reagan executive order was revoked when President Bush issued EO 13233 in November 2001.
The Obama executive order restores the presumption that the incumbent president, not former presidents, their heirs or designees should be the one asserting claims of executive privilege. The executive order states that only “living” former Presidents can make claims of executive privilege. This removed one of the most egregious sections of the Bush EO that allowed heirs or designees to make claims of executive privilege for an indefinite period after the death of a former President.
In addition, the provisions in the Bush EO allowing former vice presidents to assert executive privilege are gone. In fact, the Obama EO makes it clear that vice presidential records are to be included under the definition of “presidential records.”
Executive Order 13489 also restores the function of the Archivist of the United States’ as an independent arbiter of initial claims of executive privilege. The executive order assumes the Archivist may release records 30 days after notifying the incumbent and former Presidents unless a claim of executive privilege is made.
The press release from the White House says the following:
“The Executive Order on Presidential Records brings those principles to presidential records by giving the American people greater access to these historic documents. This order ends the practice of having others besides the President assert executive privilege for records after an administration ends. Now, only the President will have that power, limiting its potential for abuse. And the order also requires the Attorney General and the White House Counsel to review claims of executive privilege about covered records to make sure those claims are fully warranted by the Constitution.”

http://historycoalition.org/2009/01/21/presiden…


Anonymous
Comment posted January 20, 2010 @ 9:06 pm

epidimwitt, you’d be paranoid (and an idiot, and a bat shit crazy birfer) no matter how President Barack Obama bowed………and you’re just telling a lie…you did vote for Bush….how do I know??? Because you just spouted one of the main birfer talking points, which is “by his own admission,” as if the fact that President Obama’s father is Kenyan is news………HE TALKED ABOUT THAT ALL DURING THE CAMPAIGN, IDIOT……


Anonymous
Comment posted January 20, 2010 @ 9:59 pm

oops….sorry, epidydimus……I miss read your comment……thought you were a good ole birfer…….sorry ’bout that.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 20, 2010 @ 10:23 pm

Sorry, I don’t “believe” the theories, but I understand why this won’t go away, and Deal isn’t accusing Obama, just curious like the rest of us why this hasn’t been solidly put to bed. If Obama released his long form birth certificate, he could silence 95% of the birthers.

Now, before you all go off on me about Hawaii not having long form birth certificates, you might want to look at this:

http://www.wnd.com/images/090728birthcert.gif

That is the document many birthers are calling for, and I’m curious myself as to why it hasn’t been released by Obama. Notice the doctor’s and witness’ signatures, something missing from the Factcheck COLB.

Here’s the story WND did on it:

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105347


Anonymous
Comment posted January 20, 2010 @ 10:27 pm

LOL, I’m much too conservative to vote for Bush! That guy spent twice as much as Clinton, even excluding wartime expenditures. Hardly conservative, or even capitalist considering his ridiculous bailouts.

“I’ve abandoned free market principles to save a free market system.” -George W. Bush

“I think George W. Bush is full of $#!+” -epididymus


Anonymous
Comment posted January 20, 2010 @ 10:30 pm

Not true, epidimus…..birthers have a problem with President Obama being President……because birfers are willing to believe ANY scenario which makes him ineligible to be President. If you read their comments all over the web, they keep saying that even IF it’s proved that President Obama WAS born in Hawaii, blah, blah. So the investment is in him not being eligible under ANY scenario. That’s why they don’t have any credibility and folks thinks they are nuts….because all these “theories” sound nuts!! Also, this “Deal isn’t accusing Obama”….then why ask for a birth certificate??!!! See, that’s why birfers are called names…..saying stuff like “I don’t care about it, but show me and I won’t care about it even more………..”


Anonymous
Comment posted January 20, 2010 @ 10:32 pm

Not true, epidimus…..birthers have a problem with President Obama being President……because birfers are willing to believe ANY scenario which makes him ineligible to be President. If you read their comments all over the web, they keep saying that even IF it’s proved that President Obama WAS born in Hawaii, blah, blah. So the investment is in him not being eligible under ANY scenario. That’s why they don’t have any credibility and folks thinks they are nuts….because all these “theories” sound nuts!!


Anthony
Comment posted January 21, 2010 @ 11:31 am

You don’t predict anything. You are just another confidence man.


Anthony
Comment posted January 21, 2010 @ 11:33 am

It seems like you can’t differentiate between reality and a movie. You should start reading non fiction books.


Anthony
Comment posted January 21, 2010 @ 12:12 pm

The reason that you didn’t notice is because of your disillusion.

Yes, you are blinded by your disillusion.


Anthony
Comment posted January 21, 2010 @ 7:27 am

Yes, “no person except a natural born Citizen, … shall be eligible to the Office of President.” That is exactly what Obama is. So what is your concern?


Anthony
Comment posted January 21, 2010 @ 7:39 am

Keep spreading the lies. Soon or later it will only be you typing on your computer about a debunked birther conspiracy theory.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 21, 2010 @ 3:37 pm

Then show me where I can find this mystery footage of our former presidents bowing to foreign heads of state, and I’ll concede the point.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 21, 2010 @ 4:33 pm

“When President Obama was born in 1961, under the British Nationality Act of 1948, both his father and he were British subjects/citizens. In 1963, they both became Kenyan citizens. In fact, Mr. Obama’s father was never even a legal resident or immigrant of America. Hence, regardless of where Mr. Obama was born or that he may be a United States citizen under the 14th Amendment, he is not an Article II “natural born Citizen” and not eligible to be President.” -Mario Apuzzo, Esq.

That’s why many birthers say him being born in hawaii doesn’t matter, because he was born with allegiance to another country. That was the point of the Constitution’s requirements, to disqualify people with foreign allegiances from POTUS.

Natural Born Citizen is never defined in the Constitution, but it is defined in Common Law:

British Common Law:

Children, born in England, of such aliens [those in amity - friendship], were therefore natural-born subjects. But the children, born within the realm, of foreign ambassadors, or the children of alien enemies, born during and within their hostile occupation of part of the king’s dominions, were not natural-born subjects, because not born within the allegiance, the obedience, or the power, or, as would be said at this day, within the jurisdiction, of the king.

Also, the courts have found that 1 parent is enough for NBC status, but location must be within the US:

Diaz-Salazar v. INS, 700 F.2d 1156 (7th Cir. 1983) (child born in US to Mexican citizen is “natural born citizen” of US):

Petitioner, Sebastian Diaz-Salazar, entered the United States illegally [from Mexico] in 1974 and has been living and working in Chicago since that time. *** The relevant facts which have been placed before the INS, BIA, and this court can be summarized as follows: The petitioner has a wife and two children under the age of three in Chicago; the children are natural-born citizens of the United States. (more…)

It all comes back to this document: http://www.wnd.com/images/090728birthcert.gif

Notice this Certificate of Live Birth has hospital, witnesses, doctors signatures, and everything else the factcheck.org COLB doesn’t have. Obama’s refusal to release the long form, along with many school documents and transcripts, fuels the fire of the birther movement.

It doesn’t seem to matter now, state legislatures are proposing bills to prove your eligibility to get on the presidential ballot, which you have to admit, should’ve been happening since the beginning of this country. All the FEC requires is that the DNC sign a peice of paper that says you’re eligible and get it notarized, just asking for fraud.

Right or wrong, this issue will lead to better vetting of presidential candidates, so even if birthers are misguided, their actions will protect the presidency from usurpation in the future.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 21, 2010 @ 5:42 pm

epidydimus, you typed all those pages of bullshit!! See, if you just tell the truth and not try to twist things around so that there is some question about the President’s citizenship, you won’t have to type so much.

President Obama was born in Hawaii, which is American Soil, and hence, he is a NATURAL BORN AMERICAN CITIZEN. END OF STORY. Me thinks you ARE a birfer, what with all those birfer talking points you have there: British common law, etc. HINT: We are in America and we don’t care about or take into account British common law….or any other country’s common law when we are talking about our citizenship laws. WHEN PRESIDENT OBAMA WAS BORN IN 1961, HE WAS BORN ON AMERICAN SOIL, IN HAWAII, AND HENCE, A NATURAL BORN AMERICAN CITIZEN – the Article II try is all bullshit……and if he was a British citizen by way of his father, SO WHAT……AMERICA DOES NOT CARE. So you can stop with that, or you can continue with that and go full on birfer instead of trying to sound as if you are just asking questions.

Also, you say that natural born citizenship is never defined in the Constitution…so why are you birfers trying to define it the way you want it defined???? If that were your position, you would stop right there and say, well, it’s not defined so until someone defines it….well, we’re shit out of luck trying to say he IS NOT a citizen since IT’S NOT DEFINED, REMEMBER.

No matter how you want to twist it and turn it, President Obama is a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN OF THE UNITED STATES AND HENCE COMPLETELY ABLE TO BE PRESIDENT, AS HE WAS ELECTED BY THE MAJORITY OF AMERICANS.

And finally, a misguided birfer is at the top of the heap….most folks just think they are just plain old bat shit crazy…..


monkey99
Comment posted January 21, 2010 @ 4:45 pm

Let's see……(I'll be serious for a moment, JUST a moment, though)

There is NO long form BC, Hawaii stopped using the practice after WWII. Dr. Fukino states SHE saw and verifies Obama's birth. I take her at her word, since doctors are not in the habit of lying (does nothing for their reps). So the one already seen is the real mcCoy, so to speak.

SSN's were NOT required at birth at the time of Obama's birth, so he could have registered for an SSN at any time afterward.

Selective service records, like school records are NOT released to just any wacko who wants to see them, for security reasons. (be glad of this, birfers, for YOU too, could be put under a microscope for frivolous reasons)

All the rest has absolutely nothing to do with Obama's presence or tenure in the White House. (of course, pecking for bread crumbs like you people do just underscores the need for selective DDT applications)

So could I make some suggestions? Could you stick to just ONE screen name? Of course, it precludes you from adding a “like this” vote for your own comments, since the rest of us don't, and since we know there aren't THAT many of you, you'll actually GAIN some cred by doing this. (not much, infinitessimal to say the least, but at this point, ANY cred is better than nothing, which is what you've been operating on, all this time).

Please post something different each time. “Goebbel's Axiom” doesn't work on folk who already know that the original post was full of S**t. It also makes us believe that you use your heads for more than clamping in a vise or banging against a wall.

I don't know about the rest of these good folk, but I personally enjoy these blogs. It's like watching a perpetual Chinese Fire Drill. With the participants actually on fire! I'd douse you with water, but I'm afraid it would bring it all to a screeching halt, and the fun would come to an end. That would suck!

So give us something different, from time to time, and for some, leave your psychosis in your pants when posting, the off-topic additions really don't matter, in the scheme of things, since we're not as scatterbrained as you birfers are, we'll still be there to debunk the bulls**t when you return to reality, anyway.

Please, PLEASE, don't stop.


Anthony
Comment posted January 22, 2010 @ 11:01 am

Please, open a book on Japanese customs. It is not my job to help your reduce your ignorance about Japanese culture.


Anthony
Comment posted January 22, 2010 @ 11:07 am

“In fact, Mr. Obama’s father was never even a legal resident or immigrant of America.”

Foreign exchange students are legal residents of America, but if you went clinging to your childish disillusion your would have realize that. That isn’t your only logical disjoint statement.

Keep climbing down that hole.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 22, 2010 @ 4:56 pm

You’re talking about regular folks, not visiting heads of state. Still waiting for the footage of other presidents bowing to the emporer of japan, perhaps it doesn’t exist because Obama was the first to do it. Either way, our President shouldn’t be bowing to Saudis, it shows the world he is their subject.


Anthony
Comment posted January 23, 2010 @ 1:02 am

I am taking about Japanese people not “regular folks”. Please get a book on ??. The best place to a the book is on Amazon Japan. They will ship books to anywhere in the world.

If you are concerned about the president showing respect to others, then you have more problems than I thought.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 23, 2010 @ 1:36 am

it’s not a show of respect, it is a show of subserviance to foreign power, and you still can’t answer for the bowing to Saudi Royalty. Hey, at least you changed the conversation completely. Wasn’t this about Barack’s eligibility?

In The United States in 1961 race was classified for vital statistics into white, Negro, American Indian, Chinese, Japanese, Aleut, Eskimo, Hawaiian and Part-Hawaiian (combined), and “other nonwhite.”

Do you see a classification for “African?” I certainly don’t.

Whoever forged this COLB on factcheck.org and snopes was too PC to put “negro” as daddy’s race.

Now, that doesn’t disprove Obama’s citizenship, but it raises a red flag in my book. How about you? Don’t you find that suspicious?


Anthony
Comment posted January 23, 2010 @ 1:45 am

When someone is dillusioned about an issue and presents false arguments it damages their ability to think reasonably.

You are just silly. You can stay in your small room, and believe that all the world culture and custom should abide to your world view.

The reality is they don’t. There are different customs in different cultures around the world. From the cloth people wear, to the language they speak and the food they eat.

If you are obsessed with other people having the common decency to respect others who are different than them. So be it. However, you must accept the fact that no all people are like you. There are people who are will to try something new and learn about people who are practice different customs.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 23, 2010 @ 1:49 am

Wow, again, I quoted someone else. I’m not Mario Apuzzo, and later in that post I refrenced common law and case law that suggests it’s all about location. Did you even read my entire response?


Anthony
Comment posted January 23, 2010 @ 2:00 am

Barak H. Obama is a natural born citizen of America.

For (American) citizens who obtain their citizen through birth is an American birth certificate.

Mr. Obama has released a birth certificate as issued by the State of Hawaii title “Certification of Live Birth.”

The State of Hawaii issued two press releases confirming the authenticity of Mr. Obama birth certificate. One actually stated that Mr. Obama is a “natural-born” citizen.

It is a government agency that confirms and bestows citizen by birth to it citizens. Not a hospital or doctor.

The only fraud being committed are by those who believe that the “birth conspiracy theory” is a reasonable position (a position based on all the facts).


Anonymous
Comment posted January 23, 2010 @ 2:07 am

I was trying to explain why some birthers don’t think the COLB matters, sorry for trying to enlighten. I’m sorry if reading something more than a few sentences is too challenging for you, I’ll try to keep it shorter. Don’t feel bad if you need to stop and take a rest before you finish reading this.

I suspect you don’t know what common law is, or that our laws were based on British Common Law. That’s okay though, because you and I both have the same amount of legal standing on the matter: None.

“…go full on birfer instead of trying to sound as if you are just asking questions.”

I’m asking questions, because I know you can’t answer them. If you could, you would have, instead of resorting to the Alinsky tactics of name calling and ridicule.


epidydimus
Comment posted January 22, 2010 @ 9:28 pm

Hey, I found that non-existent document:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_RZMpC9qpZpg/S0gvNr5ZQ…

Oh, and you're right, we all have a right to privacy (what's left after the patriot act), but some are unable to trust a president who is so secretive about something as arbitrary as school grades. After all, McCain was no star student, but he didn't try to hide it. He released his school records.

“…Could you stick to just ONE screen name? Of course, it precludes you from adding a “like this” vote for your own comments, since the rest of us don't, and since we know there aren't THAT many of you…”

Now who's paranoid?


Anthony
Comment posted January 22, 2010 @ 10:05 pm

Barak H. Obama is a natural born citizen. Mr. Obama has released his birth certificate as issued by the State of Hawaii in 2007 “Certificate of Live Birth.”

From the image that you provided the link to it states “This states that the above is a true and correct copy of the official record on file.” Did you honestly miss the words “official record on file.” Do you understand what the words “official record on file” means.

Honestly, your example undermines your position. All birth certificates released by government agencies are copies and not the original form. It is these agencies that keep the original records.

By grasping your paranoid disillusioned you missed the obvious. Mr. Obama requests a copy of his birth certificate, and the State of Hawaii presents the document in the format it decides. Later after being inundated by request the State of Hawaii confirms the genuineness of the document it issued.

On the simplistic level, those who subscribe to the “birth conspiracy theory,” complaint is that they don't like the format that the State of Hawaii issues some of their records.

End of story.


katahdin
Comment posted January 22, 2010 @ 10:36 pm

John McCain never released his school records. It was public information that he graduated 5th from the bottom of his class at the Naval Academy, presumably because class rankings at service academies are public info.
But I can't remember a single politician running for any high office ever releasing their high school records, to say nothing of elementary school records. And kindergarten records? Who even has those?
It's funny. Barack Obama has been quite open about his family background and his life. He's revealed more than any other candidate, and certainly more than he had to.

Yet some people still want more. It really seems like no information he could provide would ever be enough. If he can't satisfactorily account for every last moment of his entire life, he must be hiding something. Some people seem to want to peel his skin off and examine his internal organs, just to see if his hiding the “long form” behind his kidneys.
It's a ridiculous pathology, and only a fool would do anything to indulge it. Fortunately, our president is no fool.


monkey99
Comment posted January 22, 2010 @ 10:48 pm

Your links are crap, just like your movement. You can keep 'em.

You still don't understand (or should I say refuse to understand?) the privacy act. No one is required to release school records to be President. Try again.

Paranoia? that's you folks stock in trade, Have you seen the blogs up to now? Really. Look them up (that is, if your not afraid of the truth, as all you birfers have been, up to now) The paranoia comes from birfers.

What will you crash test dummies latch onto next?


katahdin
Comment posted January 22, 2010 @ 10:51 pm

FYI, there is no “Columbia Thesis.” While Barack Obama wrote a long paper during his senior year, Columbia University did not reguire a senior thesis at that time. So, no bound thesis, nothing to “release.” Barack Obama turned in the paper and went on with his life. Another piece of birther nonsense.


katahdin
Comment posted January 22, 2010 @ 10:53 pm

An eclipse? You believe in astrology? That's hilarious.


epidydimus
Comment posted January 24, 2010 @ 9:16 am

I understand the privacy act, and I enjoy what's left of it after the Patriot Act. I never said the president was required to release anything, just that he's the first one I know of to refuse to do so.

Sorry you think my link is crap, guess it's a matter of opinion. I like how you call it “a movement” though, that's pretty funny. The only thing that will come out of “the movement” is better vetting of presidential candidates, so I don't know what you're so upset about.

Honestly, people attacking birthers are like atheists attacking Santa Claus. If you really believed this story so ridiculous, why would you waste your time trying to insult me?


epidydimus
Comment posted January 24, 2010 @ 9:21 am

Well, presenting a forged document as his certificate of live birth is enough for me, I don't personally care about his school records. In 1961 the United States classified race for vital statistics into:

White, Negro, American Indian, Chinese, Japanese, Aleut, Eskimo, Hawaiian and Part-Hawaiian (combined), and “other nonwhite.”

You seem like a smart person, why does the COLB @ factcheck.org say Barry's daddy is African instead of negro?

This is the only question no one seems to have an answer for.


epidydimus
Comment posted January 24, 2010 @ 9:25 am

Can't answer why Barack's daddy's race is African instead of negro on the COLB can you? That was the point of the examples. Once again, I suspect you aren't even reading all the way through my posts. If you can't keep up I'm sure the small petty minds at mediamatters.org will have you.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 24, 2010 @ 2:30 pm

Look at the COLB, and tell me why it says African for Barack Sr.’s race, and not negro? It was 1961 you know, there was no “african” classification for the Bureau of Vital Statistics. I’ll keep making this point until someone can answer for it, since you obviously can’t.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 24, 2010 @ 2:37 pm

I thought we were talking about Obama, not me. Maybe this is all you can do since you can’t answer for the forged COLB. That’s fine, continue your Alinsky “Rules for Radicals” tactics, because anyone with intelligence can see you’re trying to make this about me instead of the story. Whatever, as long as you can’t answer the simple question:

In 1961 in The United States, race was classified as: White, Negro, American Indian, Chinese, Japanese, Aleut, Eskimo, Hawaiian and Part-Hawaiian (combined), and “other nonwhite.” by the Bureau of Vital Statistics. So why was Barack’s daddy’s race listed as African?

Don’t you think that COLB might be forged?


Anthony
Comment posted January 24, 2010 @ 11:01 am

Did you get the decoder in a cereal box, that allowed you to come to your asinine conclusion. Or, did you make yourself with glue and tape.

So, you want everyone to believe that because people don't fit in your narrow definition then something must be wrong. It is the government agency that decides the codes, not some simpleton trying to expand his conspiracy theory.

Still refusing to accept the press release by the State of Hawaii's Health department through the governors office stating that Obama was born in Hawaii. It is a single government document, a copy of the information that the State of Hawaii Department of Health has on record.


Anthony
Comment posted January 24, 2010 @ 11:06 am

Want a silly argument. It was the State of Hawaii that place that category on the birth certificate, as it matches the information that they have on record. Really, it isn't that a simple of a concept.

You refuse to accept the press releasing from the State of Hawaii that confirms that Barak H. Obama information is correct, and now you are complaining. Most of what you type is just utter nonsense.

Second, the comments that was made is in no way a reply to a comment that you made.

You are making a simple thing more complicated than it needs to be.


Anthony
Comment posted January 24, 2010 @ 4:13 pm

See when you enter into a conspiracy theory it makes your brain not able to logically think. There reason that it states African is that is where his father came from. It isn’t really that hard of a concept to understand.

It is the State of Hawaii that decides the categories that they use. Not, some disillusioned person who is trying to spread FUD.


Anthony
Comment posted January 24, 2010 @ 4:27 pm

Epidydimus you are dillusioned about the Barak H. Obama’s birth certificate. It has damaged yours (Epidydimus) ability to think using reason and logic. Epidydimus you are just silly.

Epidydimus you are person who refuses to accept or look at either press release from the State of Hawaii Department of Health. This makes it obvious that you (Epidydimus) have absolutely no knowledge on how the State of Hawaii makes it decissions relating to birth records.

Various government agencies have and still do use different categories to store the birth records. I seriously doubt that you (Epidydimus) have any knowledge as to why the State of Hawaii choose the designations that they did. It is really easy to determine why the State of Hawaii used the term African, is because Obama’s father is African. Hawaii is not a Southern State so it is doubtful that they would use the term that you suggest. Keep clinging to your disillusion, other will enjoy making fun of it.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 24, 2010 @ 6:46 pm

That press release you refer to, raises even more questions, so I don’t know why you’re going there.

Law professor Andy Martin is asking the Hawai’i Intermediate Court of Appeals to order the release of Barack Obama’s original, typewritten 1961 birth certificate. “This is a historical document,” says Martin. “Why is Obama hiding the details of his life? Unless he has something to hide? I can assure Obama that the mysteries he likes to generate create a continuing firestorm of paranoia on the Internet about his birth, family and education. Ironically, if there is really nothing to hide, my lawsuit would actually benefit Obama by saving him from his own reflexive, self-destructive secrecy by putting his birth certificate out in the open.” Another format of the brief can be found at http://www.ContrarianCommentary.com.

But that aside, your answer to my question is absurd. They put African because he was from Africa? Perhaps you missed the part of my post where I listed the categories of race you had to choose from in 1961. Notice, African is not among the races listed. Therefore, this COLB that you’ve put so much stock in is a forgery.

“Hawaii is not a Southern State so it is doubtful that they would use the term that you suggest.”

Well, it’s okay for you to be doubtful, but you don’t disprove anything with doubt. You need facts, and they are not on your side.

Ironic, you often accuse birthers of being unable to face the facts. Apparently you can’t either.


epidydimus
Comment posted January 24, 2010 @ 1:55 pm

That press release document you hold in such high regard proves absolutely nothing. It's not a statement made under oath.

“It is the government agency that decides the codes, not some simpleton trying to expand his conspiracy theory.”

Yes, a government agency called the Bureau of Vital Statistics, that didn't use the classification “African” in 1961. The correct classification would've been negro. It's not a theory, it's a fact.


katahdin
Comment posted January 24, 2010 @ 3:32 pm

Any evidence at all that the document, which the State of Hawaii has confirmed, is forged? Besides anonymous internet “experts, that is?


katahdin
Comment posted January 24, 2010 @ 3:41 pm

Why do you assume that the Director of the DOH is lying just because she's not under oath? She's not working for the Bush administration, after all.


Anthony
Comment posted January 24, 2010 @ 7:24 pm

You are now getting silly. It is the State of Hawaii who is directly responsible for ensuring the accuracy for all records of people born in the State of Hawaii. It is each individual state that is responsible for vital statistic.

Now you continue to spread more information. “Bureau of Vital Statistics” are you referring to the
- Texas Department of Health Bureau of Vital Statistics
- Alaska Bureau of Vital Statistics

Which state. You are such a fraud. It took all of 2 seconds to debunk your nonsense.

See the problem that you have is that you are spreading nonsense about a very specific case, without understand how a state is responsible for all their records.

Burn your drivers licensee and SSN since neither was sworn under oath when they gave it to you. Anyone else will not need to act so drastic because they are not a disillusioned as you.


Anthony
Comment posted January 25, 2010 @ 12:37 am

A Hawaiian birth certificate stating the place of birth of Hawaii as issued by the State of Hawaii. Hawaii releasing two press releases confirming that Barak H. Obama is a natural-born citizen and that they have his records. If the released birth certificate was different then the State of Hawaii would state so, and force its remove.

Rethink your conspiracy theory as you have nothing but conjecture and no facts.

Barak H. Obama is a natural born citizen of USA.

It seems you have a hard time living with yourself, because Obama is a natural born citizen. You just can not accept that fact.

0 is the number of facts, logical arguments, logically consistent arguments that you have. 0.

Nothing, nil, naught, zero, zilch.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 25, 2010 @ 12:21 pm

I’ve presented you with the fact Obama’s COLB shows his father’s race as African, which was not a classification of race used by the United States Bureau of Vital Statistics. It should say negro. Once again, this is not a theory or conjecture, this is a fact.

You say the State of Hawaii would state so, if the birth certificate is different, but you’ve cited tons of privacy laws to me that actually would prevent them from doing that, so your point is moot.


epidydimus
Comment posted January 25, 2010 @ 7:23 am

You still can't answer as to why it says African instead of Negro, states use the same classifications as the federal government. Perhaps when the census people come to your door they can explain it to you.


epidydimus
Comment posted January 25, 2010 @ 7:25 am

She's working for a politician, duh. You think Obama doesn't lie? Name one campaign promise he's kept. He even raised taxes on people that make less than $250,000, which was his biggest promise, so you go ahead and keep trusting him.


epidydimus
Comment posted January 25, 2010 @ 7:29 am

I can't be any clearer about this. Obama Sr.'s race would've been classified as negro in 1961, not African. Therefore, I believe the document to be a fraud. I'm not relying on a forensic document expert, and that's okay because factcheck.org didn't either. They sent a couple of naive college students to go look at and photograph the COLB, but no experts.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 25, 2010 @ 12:31 pm

Really, and where can I find evidence of that? You typing it doesn’t make it so.


epidydimus
Comment posted January 25, 2010 @ 7:34 am

I could send out a press release claiming Jesus walks among us again, what's your point? You seem to think press releases are solemn oaths taken by public officials. You can't answer for the COLB being forged, so you fall back to the press releases.


Anthony
Comment posted January 25, 2010 @ 7:35 am

Please stop making things up. There are various designation that are used for people of African descent. There is a use of Negro, black, African America.

Yes, with the next census they are testing different terminology to see which has the greatest response rate.

See when you are insistent on making things up the facts get in the way.

The reason for the use of African is because the State of Hawaii decided that was the term that they would use. Or, did you miss that in the first paragraph.


Anthony
Comment posted January 25, 2010 @ 7:54 am

The State of Hawaii's Department of Heath is the organization who is responsible for ensuring the integrity of the vital records. The vital records contain information such as marriages, death, and births. This Department of Health's legal responsibility under the legislation that created it. Any statement that is made from the organization done in the capacity of legislation.

I am sorry. All you have is conjecture about where or not the document is forged. Nothing more nothing less.

I have more faith in the State of Hawaii, than a disillusioned birther. I have faith that the state of Hawaii will ensure that their vital records are protected from fraud, and will act quickly to address any problems. The only deception that being perpetuated is your weak attempt to present yourself genuine.


epidydimus
Comment posted January 25, 2010 @ 11:24 am

“Done in the capacity of legislation.” The postal service was created through legislation, so every letter I send through snail mail is “done in the capacity of legislation.” You keep saying all I have is conjecture, do you think if you keep saying it enough I'll start to believe it? How is the classification of Negro, not African being used in 1961 not a fact? Every document I look at from vital statistics in 1961 has the list I posted above, no African. I can't find at vital statistics document anywhere in the US from 1961 that uses the race/color classification African.


epidydimus
Comment posted January 25, 2010 @ 11:25 am

Really, because all vital statistics docs I look at don't have an African classifications, which ones have you seen?


jayhg
Comment posted January 25, 2010 @ 12:14 pm

monkey99 wrote: I don't know about the rest of these good folk, but I personally enjoy these blogs. It's like watching a perpetual Chinese Fire Drill. With the participants actually on fire! I'd douse you with water, but I'm afraid it would bring it all to a screeching halt, and the fun would come to an end. That would suck!”

Monkey99, I'm SO with you…..epidydimus, take monkey99's advice and please, please DON'T STOP posting,although as Monkey also advised, you should post something different – not just the usual birfer talking point, variety being the spice of life and all……..


jayhg
Comment posted January 25, 2010 @ 12:25 pm

epidydimus, the President is the first one who has been ASKED, fool……he's not the first one to REFUSE anything……no one as asked ANY OTHER PRESIDENT TO RELEASE PERSONAL INFORMATION LIKE HIS PRESCHOOL RECORDS!!! Damn you birfers are just so STOOPID!!! Entertaining, but STOOPID!!! And go ahead and try to make fun of how I spelled stupid, cause you birfers don't have any sense of humor….you too filled with paranoid delusions for that.

And that's another birfer talking point: If we're so ridiculous, why bother to respond, blah blah blah….here's the answer…..CAUSE IT'S FUN TO TALK TO YOU AND MAKE FUN OF YOU AND MOCK YOU, THAT'S WHY!!!!!!


jayhg
Comment posted January 25, 2010 @ 12:35 pm

epidy..you won't believe anything that's counter to your delusional birfer theories, so Anthony is wasting his time trying to have a sane conversation with you…..cause you're NOT SANE…you're a delusional birfer desparate to believe that President Barack Obama has somehow gotten to be president because no one came to your door and got all this good information from you so that he could not get the job. And finally, THE REASON THAT “AFRICAN” INSTEAD OF “NEGRO” IS ON THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE IS BECAUSE, AS ANTYONY SAID, THE STATE OF HAWAII DECIDED TO PUT THAT ON THERE. NO MORE, NO LESS!!!! Get your birfer head out of your ass….you're boring the shit out of everyone!!


monkey99
Comment posted January 25, 2010 @ 1:27 pm

Good thing you responded to me…..

Ol' epi might whine about how you're sending unwanted E-mails to them, like that psycho anita dunnce…..STILL can't figure out how to unsubscribe…..

I know there are people out there who walk on hot coals with their bare feet, but I've never seen any try to stuff their mouths with them, looking like chipmunks, trying to sing the “Star Spangled Banner”!


epidydimus
Comment posted January 25, 2010 @ 1:48 pm

Wow, how do you know the state of Hawaii “decided” to put that on there? When? Why? It was 1961, negro was a perfectly acceptable term. Even Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. used the word negro in his speeches. What made them decide to classify other black men as negro, but this particular black man as african? I can't find any vital statistics from any state in 1961 that lists african as a race, can you?

If you think I'm insane, what's that make you for arguing with me? If I'm boring the shit out of you please feel free to stop reading.


epidydimus
Comment posted January 25, 2010 @ 1:53 pm

You must have a pretty sad existence, if that's all you can find for entertainment. I pitty you.


ellid
Comment posted January 25, 2010 @ 2:13 pm

*applause*


ellid
Comment posted January 25, 2010 @ 2:19 pm

Let's see

- He signed the Lily Ledbetter Equal Pay Act.

- He rescinded the Bush-era secrecy protocols on Presidential documents.

- He issued an executive order reversing the ban on family planning funding.

- He's withdrawing troops from Iran on a steady timetable, and has taken steps to close Guantanamo Bay and have terrorist suspects tried in civilian courts.

- He's published the White House visitor logs.

- He's come closer to passing health care reform in this country than any President since Johnson, 40 years ago, and would have succeeded if the Republicans hadn't decided to block this at all costs.

- Signed a stimulus package that saved 2 million jobs.

- Oversaw new EPA mileage requirements for cars and trucks.

All that's in one year. A lot of other things, like a jobs bill, re-regulation of the financial system, new environmental standards, and the repeal of DOMA and DADT, are in the pipeline. You may not like any of this, but these are things the President said he'd do, and he did them.


ellid
Comment posted January 25, 2010 @ 2:23 pm

Please provide a link to school records for Ronald Reagan, either of the Bushes, Bill Clinton, Gerald Ford, or Richard Nixon. Jimmy Carter and John McCain don't count because they went to publicly-funded service academies and their class standings are a matter of public record.

As for why I personally attack birthers? I can't speak for anyone but myself, but I dislike seeing the office of the Presidency attacked by a movement that is has to rank near the top of the conspiracy pile for sheer stupidity.


ellid
Comment posted January 25, 2010 @ 2:24 pm

Yours is even sadder. You actually believe in the conspiracy.


ellid
Comment posted January 25, 2010 @ 2:26 pm

You have no idea what classification the Hawaiian Department of Health used for African exchange students. Hawaii was not the American south, and Barack Obama Sr. was not an American Negro.


ellid
Comment posted January 25, 2010 @ 2:29 pm

You really think that the President, with all the money he raised for his campaign, and all the brain power and expertise available to him during his run for the White House, would have *deliberately* forged a document with such a mistake? Do you really think he's that stupid? Or that powerful, that not only did he suborn the Republican Governor of Hawaii and officials that she elected, but that he somehow altered the records of BOTH major newspapers on Oahu to list his father *under the wrong classification?* Are you out of your mind?

Seriously. Get a new hobby. This one has clearly cause brain damage.


monkey99
Comment posted January 25, 2010 @ 2:50 pm

I used to think “the Quest” was a distraction from honest, substantive political debate.

Now I believe they were sent to provide us all with that which ol'epi there is complaining about. They provide it in spades, then say they pity us……Poor Crash Test Dummies!


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted January 25, 2010 @ 2:53 pm

“Well, presenting a forged document as his certificate of live birth is enough for me,”

Prove it's forged or STFU.

In a birth registration, the record is in two parts: the legal portion and the statistical portion. They have different purposes and are treated differently.

The legal portion is governed by law. It contains the facts of birth for legal purposes. It is prima facie evidence of the facts it contains. There are strict laws and regulations about what can change and how it can change (legal name changes, adoptions, paternity, etc.)

The Statistical portion (which is rarely disclosed to the public) contains medical information about the birth: complications of pregnancy, method of delivery, risk factors, congenital abnormalities, etc. The statistical record does not have the same legal constraints on how it can be changed. It includes “coded” information. Coded information is information where text is quantified: an example is a “place code”. The legal record may say that the place of birth is Honolulu, Hawaii, but the place is coded according to a FIPS (Federal Information Processing Standard) system. FIPS codes are assigned and changed all the time, and a Vital Statistics agency may re-code a record after changes to the coding system, or they may fix wrong codes. So long as the text in the legal record doesn’t change, the vital statistics agency can tinker with the statistical information all they want (following internal policies).

When the Vital Statistics of the United States – 1961 talks about the classification of race “for vital statistics”, they mean exactly the process of coding the raw information received in to standard reporting categories.

This is why the self-reported value of African is on Barack Obama’s birth certificate as his father’s race from the legal record, but the Department of Health, Education and Welfare (the former agency in charge) does not include African among its statistical categories.

Births in the United States in 1961 are classified for vital statistics into white, Negro, American Indian, Chinese, Japanese, Aleut, Eskimo, Hawaiian and Part-Hawaiian (combined), and “other nonwhite.”

Vital Statistics of the United States – 1961 – Volume I — Natality page 5-7.

There's your sign. Now put your fingers in your ears and sing LALALALALALALALA like a good, little, paranoid, idiotic birfer freak.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted January 25, 2010 @ 2:57 pm

You're wrong and I've already told you why. Now STFU like a good little idiot with no authority and even less credibility.

Dr. Fukino is an authority. The DOH of the state of Hawaii is an authority. You're a little, paranoid piece of shit with no authority and more spare time than common sense.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted January 25, 2010 @ 2:59 pm

You're wrong and I've already told you why. Now STFU like a good little idiot with no authority and even less credibility.

Dr. Fukino is an authority. The DOH of the state of Hawaii is an authority. You're a little, paranoid piece of shit with no authority and more spare time than common sense.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted January 25, 2010 @ 2:59 pm

You're wrong and I've already told you why. Now STFU like a good little idiot with no authority and even less credibility.

Dr. Fukino is an authority. The DOH of the state of Hawaii is an authority. You're a little, paranoid piece of shit with no authority and more spare time than common sense.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted January 25, 2010 @ 3:00 pm

You're wrong and I've already told you why. Now STFU like a good little idiot with no authority and even less credibility.

Dr. Fukino is an authority. The DOH of the state of Hawaii is an authority. You're a little, paranoid piece of shit with no authority and more spare time than common sense.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted January 25, 2010 @ 3:01 pm

You're wrong and I've already told you why. Now STFU like a good little idiot with no authority and even less credibility.

Dr. Fukino is an authority. The DOH of the state of Hawaii is an authority. You're a little, paranoid piece of shit with no authority and more spare time than common sense.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted January 25, 2010 @ 3:01 pm

You're wrong and I've already told you why. Now STFU like a good little idiot with no authority and even less credibility.

Dr. Fukino is an authority. The DOH of the state of Hawaii is an authority. You're a little, paranoid piece of shit with no authority and more spare time than common sense.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted January 25, 2010 @ 3:02 pm

Please don't apologize to a birfer freak with no regard for authority or U.S. law and who deserves to be mocked relentlessly.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted January 25, 2010 @ 3:04 pm

You're wrong and I've already told you why. Now STFU like a good little idiot with no authority and even less credibility.

Dr. Fukino is an authority. The DOH of the state of Hawaii is an authority. You're a little, paranoid piece of shit with no authority and more spare time than common sense.


epidydimus
Comment posted January 25, 2010 @ 3:13 pm

Gee, did someone shit in your cereal? You sound like someone who's getting angry because they're losing an argument.


epidydimus
Comment posted January 25, 2010 @ 3:16 pm

If you take some Midol, you won't get cramps and get all cranky like this. Is it a heavy flow day for you?


epidydimus
Comment posted January 25, 2010 @ 3:17 pm

So angry you clicked the send button 30 times? What could have you so upset?


epidydimus
Comment posted January 25, 2010 @ 3:29 pm

Births in the United States in 1961 are classified for vital statistics into white, Negro, American Indian, Chinese, Japanese, Aleut, Eskimo, Hawaiian and Part-Hawaiian (combined), and “other nonwhite.”

African isn't listed, so all that bullshit about FIPS and “place codes” doesn't really answer the question. How did African get on that COLB? Why not Negro? What was the code for “african” in 1961? I bet there wasn't one, because if there was, someone would've pointed it out by now. I can't find anyone with a BC or COLB that lists the father's race as African, accept Obama's. I'm sure Obama wasn't the only child born of an African father in America in 1961, so where are the other COLBs?


monkey99
Comment posted January 25, 2010 @ 3:44 pm

epi,

I don't know how much clearer I can make this, but I'll try….

First, thank you for coming up with something DIFFERENT.

Second, the term “negro” was a term predominantly used in the Southern U.S. Last I looked, Hawaii is nowhere near there. I was born on Guam, in a Naval hospital, same as McCain. It lists me as “Malaysian”. Now, some may not be able to tell the difference, but I'm NOT Malaysian. Your point being?

Third, both my older siblings were born in Hawaii. Their BC's are EXACTLY the same form as Obama's. One was born at Queen's, the other at Kahuku, seven years apart.

Both my parents were born in Hawaii, as well. THEIR BC's are long form, which was discontinued after WWII. Long forms were used because many children born during that time were born at home, not in a hospital. The long form was used to reflect information for official purposes because of this, because Hawaii was only a U.S. possession at the time. My sibling's BC's are testament to that fact.

Next?


epidydimus
Comment posted January 25, 2010 @ 3:54 pm

First of all, any unknown who can topple the Clinton machine is incredibly powerful, so yes, I think he has the power. I don't know who gave it to him, which is another reason to be suspicious. What about all of his overseas campaign contributions? You don't find discomfort in foreigners trying to affect our elections? You don't think he's in someone's pocket after raising all of that money? Take a look at the two wars we're in, think someone gave him campaign cash to keep it going another year or two? I certainly think that's why Bush refused to try and win the wars, his defense contractor cronies were making a killing.

This guy went and spoke in Europe like he was running for president of the world, am I wrong to question his loyalties to The United States? Do you really think he's any less crooked because he has a D in front of his name instead of an R? The guy came up in the most corrupt political environment in the US: Chicago.

You know, CNN even tried to kill this story falsely claiming the original vault copy Birth Certificate had been destroyed by the State of Hawaii. The only media outlet with enough journalistic integrity to question it was WorldNetDaily, which is a sad statement about media today. Hawaii's DoH director had to issue a statement saying no original documents had been destroyed.

Why would CNN do that?

In any case, thanks to birther legislation at the state level, Barry will have to provide the real deal to some state attorney generals to get on the ballot. So, if I'm wrong, which I hope for America's sake I am, Obama will have no trouble getting on the ballot in 2012, and we can finally put this awful mess behind us. Of course, that's well over 2 years away.


epidydimus
Comment posted January 25, 2010 @ 3:58 pm

You're right, he wasn't an American Negro. He was still a negro though wasn't he? I mean, I know he wasn't American, that's obvious as soon as you look into the history of Kenya.

And if I have no idea, apparently neither do you. And I have news for you, ALL of the United States used the word Negro. Just because it offends you now doesn't mean it had negative connotations in 1961.


epidydimus
Comment posted January 25, 2010 @ 4:00 pm

What conspiracy? I'm putting forth solid facts here. The COLB says African, and every race classification list I can find for 1961 says negro, not African. That's not a conspiracy, just a fact.


epidydimus
Comment posted January 25, 2010 @ 4:05 pm

I love how you call it a movement. That' hilarious!

As far as former presidents' school records, you'll have to ask them. There are strict privacy laws protecting them, just like Obama's. As a matter of fact, Obama's first executive order changed the way presidential records could be accessed.

I don't have Bush's actual records, but I'd wager he was a C student at best. Not too good with the verbal skills.


epidydimus
Comment posted January 25, 2010 @ 5:08 pm

- He signed the Lily Ledbetter Equal Pay Act.
Good for him!

He rescinded the Bush-era secrecy protocols on Presidential documents.

Apparently not birth certificates.

He issued an executive order reversing the ban on family planning funding.

Great, tax funded abortions. Why kill enemy soldiers when we can murder the innocent unborn?

He's withdrawing troops from Iran on a steady timetable, and has taken steps to close Guantanamo Bay and have terrorist suspects tried in civilian courts.

Uh, I guess you mean Iraq. Couldn't keep his Guantanamo promise of closing it within a year, but at least he's “taken steps.” I don't see the benefit of having terrorists tried in civilian courts? Are we at war or not? I predict all terrorists tried in the United States will walk because when they were detained they were not informed of their miranda rights. That's why you treat them as prisoners of war, because they are waging war upon us!

He's published the White House visitor logs.
Yeah, months after the fact.

He's come closer to passing health care reform in this country than any President since Johnson, 40 years ago, and would have succeeded if the Republicans hadn't decided to block this at all costs.

Maybe if Republicans were allowed into the discussion, they'd play nicer. Dems were not open to TORT reform or opening competition across state lines, which were the republican solutions(by the way, TORT Reform is working wonders in Mississippi and Texas). Massachusetts, which already has a bloated state healthcare system 5 times over budget, decided to elect someone to fight against the government takeover of healthcare.

Signed a stimulus package that saved 2 million jobs.
You're kidding right? Have you been to Recovery.gov? Have you seen that atrocity? It says the stimulus saved jobs in congressional districts that don't even exist! By the way, $18 million in tax dollars to fund recovery.gov, you know how many decent salaries that money could've paid?

Oversaw new EPA mileage requirements for cars and trucks.
EPA mileage ratings are a joke. They are calculated by how much air is entering the engine, and have nothing to do with actual city or highway fuel efficiency.

I guess you “forgot” about his promise to keep lobbyists out of his administration. There's 17 of them at my last count.

I guess you “forgot” about his promise not to raise taxes on anyone making less than $250,000 a year. He raised taxes on cigarettes over $1 a pack. That would be fine, if everyone who smoked cigarettes made over $250,000 a year.

I guess you “forgot” that the Wall St. Bailouts were a bad idea and terrible waste of money, no matter which president ordered them.

I guess he did accomplish some of his goals, but for the most part I see broken promises. Luckily, I never believed he could keep all of them, he is a politician.

I can see you're star-struck and awe-inspired by the mighty Obama, I hope he doesn't let you down. I do hope he can strike down DOMA, becasue as a Constitutionalist, I don't believe the Federal Government has any business with marriage, it's a state issue. I'm sure Obama has different reasons for opposing it, since he clearly regards The US Constitution as a flawed document, because it doesn't have a socialist redistribution of wealth, which is what healthcare was really all about. Punish the winners, reward the losers.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 25, 2010 @ 10:22 pm

Please, someone already tried to feed me that discontinued after WWII bullshit. The Long form that was supposedly discontinued after WWII:

http://www.wnd.com/images/090728birthcert.gif

See how it’s from 1961?

See how it includes signatures and the birth hospital?

See why the COLB has insufficient information now?

No matter how much you want to believe Hawaii didn’t use the term negro, they did. Were you even alive in 1961? Do you realize negro was a term used many times by Dr. Martin Luther King in his speeches? Do you realize the term is not even racist, just out of fashion? You’ve been so brain-washed by the PC media you seem to think it’s a dirty word!


Anonymous
Comment posted January 25, 2010 @ 11:00 pm

I was born in 1957, shitbird, what difference does it make what word was used on a BC?

By the way, you show the EXACT form my siblings have. THERE IS NO OTHER FORM. I’ve actually seen my mother’s BC, and even SHE says the long form was discontinued. Keep looking for the long form, you’ll never find one. But I don’t expect you to take my word for it.

It’s why we love you guys….So stupid you make amoebas look like geniuses.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 26, 2010 @ 12:21 am

You’re right, I won’t take your word for it, because your word apparently is false,

I just linked the long form, would you like me to link it again?

http://www.wnd.com/images/090728birthcert.gif

Looks like you and your family story are bullshit to me. Notice, this is dated post WWII in 1961, Obama’s supposed birth year.

I’m gonna explain this again, try and keep up. In 1961 there was not a race classification known as african. The classification was negro, making Obama’s COLB seem like a forgery.

So, check the link out. Notice it has actual signatures, and the birth hospital. Something the factcheck COLB lacks. You can see the full article at http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105347.

Are you sure you were born in ’57, you seem kind of naive for your age. I believe it though, only old timers use words like “shitbird.”


monkey99
Comment posted January 25, 2010 @ 7:48 pm

Yeah, short for BOWEL movement.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 26, 2010 @ 1:03 am

Well, it’s obvious I’m dealing with a mental defective, so I’LL not waste any more time on this. Just don’t whine when you get pounded with the ridicule you deserve. All of us normal folk have tried to bring you into the fold of reality, but it’s obvious that you are much more comfortable being a certified (want to see THAT one?) idiot. Conspiracy theories are ALL non-provable. Why? because the adherents don’t want to believe they could be WRONG.

Your resistance to the very idea makes you a target of said ridicule.

When next we meet, don’t expect civility. OR a willing ness to engage. You have just worn out that mat. See Ya!


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted January 25, 2010 @ 10:00 pm

What are your qualifications?

“I bet there wasn't one”?

You're an unqualified idiot. Bullshit? You are?

You are an irrelevant dumbass. You are a traitor and a coward.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted January 25, 2010 @ 10:00 pm

And you're still an idiot.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted January 25, 2010 @ 10:02 pm

I told you why.

What are your qualifications other than being a fucking douche bag?


epidydimus
Comment posted January 25, 2010 @ 10:24 pm

Get the sand out of your vagina you retard.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 26, 2010 @ 3:35 am

Fuck your mat, I’m here asking questions. You’re the one being a said little childish bitch about it, throwing insults instead of arguments. I’ve presented a fact. I still haven’t seen anyone refute it. I’ve seen a lot of name-calling and changing of the subject, but nothing that proves Barack’s father would be classified as “African.” Can’t find it in Hawaii State, or National Vital Statistics for 1961, because it wasn’t a classification they used. It’s not a theory, it’s a fact. I’m sorry you can’t understand that.


epidydimus
Comment posted January 25, 2010 @ 10:38 pm

Yes, you're so much more qualified than me, at being a jackass and getting sand in your vagina. You dare call me a traitor? Coward? Present your proof shit-lips.


epidydimus
Comment posted January 25, 2010 @ 10:42 pm

What's the matter, could conceive all of those thoughts in one post? Careful, you're reaching the limits of your primitive mental capacity. You should probably go take a nap before you hurt yourself. Big day tomorrow! Lots of water to carry for Obama.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 26, 2010 @ 4:46 am

Then go on toiling trying to prove your “long form” is a fake. I’ve told you the reality of the situation, but it is you who resorts to epithets, as well, judging by the first few words of your last post. Insulting a family because you don’t like what you see?
Stay on your fool’s quest, then. It doesn’t bother me. Personally, I get a kick out of seeing you shoving your own dick up your own ass. Have a nice night!


Anthony
Comment posted January 26, 2010 @ 10:24 am

Honestly don’t worry about. As a person who knows the difference between each group your ignorance is becoming offensive.


Anthony
Comment posted January 26, 2010 @ 5:26 am

So now your telling us that you work for the State of Hawaii's Department of Health. You are a real fraud.


Anthony
Comment posted January 26, 2010 @ 5:41 am

There is no such word or usage as American Negro. If you had any form of intelligence you would realize that. You are hung up on one word. One little word, and you in tiny mind you can't even think of why it is used. The word isn't even used any more, but you seem stuck in 1961 deep south with out a clue how to get out.


Anthony
Comment posted January 26, 2010 @ 5:43 am

Have you personally looked at the codes that the State of Hawaii's Health department uses? We all know the answer is no. Stop pretending that you know more that you do. You are embarrassing yourself.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 26, 2010 @ 11:19 am

You aren’t even making sense now, don’t get upset just because I caught you in a lie. I’m not the one who involved family in a bullshit story. I showed you it’s bullshit, unless you’re too much of a pussy to click the link and see the truth. Go cry to your mommy!


Anonymous
Comment posted January 26, 2010 @ 11:19 am

Who asked you?


epidydimus
Comment posted January 26, 2010 @ 6:20 am

Quit putting words in my mouth or I'll put my dick in yours. It's called the internet jackass, ever hear of google?


epidydimus
Comment posted January 26, 2010 @ 6:30 am

If you're not going to pay attention, stop commenting. 1961 is the year on the COLB, so I don't know how you've come to the conclusion I'm stuck there.

I'm sorry if it shatters your fragile little world that in 1961 Barack's father would've been classified as negro, you've been so indoctrinated by political correctness, you're incapable of even seeing this word as anything but racist.

Well, if I'm racist then so is Martin Luther King. He used the word negro in several of his speeches, so he mush be an Uncle Tom right?


epidydimus
Comment posted January 26, 2010 @ 6:35 am

Anthony, every vital statistics document I've looked at from 1961 uses the classification negro, not african. Can't find african on any documents from hawaii or any other state in 1961, if you can I'd love to see it. I'm sure you can't, because if you could, you would've. You wouldn't miss a chance to really put me in my place. Since you can't follow the conversation I respectfully request you stop talking out of your ass.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 26, 2010 @ 4:31 pm

Well, well, still here? Who’s upset? You’re the one on a fool’s quest. The head of Hawaii’s DoH says there is no long form, so what you think you have is horseshit, so try to prove it. You won’t listen to anyone telling you you are mistaken, so instead of insulting me, or anyone else, just go and PROVE your assertions. I’d tell you where it will land you, but since you won’t listen to reason, there’s nothing more I, or anyone else can say…You’ll be in good company, though. Orly’s a laughing stock, too! Have fun!


jayhg
Comment posted January 26, 2010 @ 12:05 pm

eipdermus thinks she has a live one……Oh My God…..I, epidemurs, don't see a classification for AFRICAN in anything out there…..that must mean that President Obama was NOT born in the United States!!! See, everyone, I found this out when Hillary Clinton, McCain and EVERYONE ELSE IN THE UNITED STATES didn't!!! I, epidemurs, am SO DAMN SMART!!

Also epidemurs wrote: “…As a matter of fact, Obama's first executive order changed the way presidential records could be accessed.” THIS IS A LIE EPIDERMUS…….President Obama just extended what Bush had already put on the books. But you're too damn STOOPID to know that because that deviates from the birfer talking point.

Far from a sad life, mine is incredibably entertaining, what with your head exploding every other day when we all let you know what a fool and a nut you are……so keep it coming.


jayhg
Comment posted January 26, 2010 @ 12:07 pm

MORE APPLAUSE!!!!


jayhg
Comment posted January 26, 2010 @ 12:30 pm

epi, you wouldn't know a solid fact if it sat down to breakfast with you and called you a birfer to your face….!!


jayhg
Comment posted January 26, 2010 @ 12:34 pm

Oh, see now I KNOW you're crazy…calling World Nut Daily and media outlet…….


Anonymous
Comment posted January 26, 2010 @ 5:41 pm

You are DEFINITELY boring, but we love poking you anyhow…..FOOL, how do you know what Hawaii “decided?” And is the fact that MLK used it in speeches part of your PROOF??? And yes,I still think you’re insane….and I will continue to poke you……


Anonymous
Comment posted January 26, 2010 @ 5:48 pm

STOP THE PRESSES….redgram, orly, palin, etc. won’t believe President Obama is not illegal UNTIL he or one of his 25 personalities SEES THE ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE……..who the hell CARES!!!


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted January 26, 2010 @ 1:07 pm

You first, crap for brains.

And like a coward and a flaming idiot, you're changing the subject. I never said I was the authority. I'm not a deranged egomaniac like you.

The Hawaii DOH is the legal authority but you're far too stupid to grasp the concept.

You are a traitor and a coward. You belong in federal prison.

You have zero proof, zero authority, zero credibility and zero brain cells. You are a waste of DNA and a pathetic excuse.

You excel in one area, however. You are brilliantly paranoid and delusional.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted January 26, 2010 @ 6:10 pm

Holy crap, you’re a flaming idiot.

And a lazy sack of shit at that.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/

Now go screw yourself.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 26, 2010 @ 6:34 pm

Does that mean you’ll finally shut the fuck up?


epidydimus
Comment posted January 26, 2010 @ 1:42 pm

Clinton and McCain were afraid of being labeled racist. Spineless

As for the EO, it's here:

http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/execut…

Don't know how I lied, it was his first executive order. Perhaps it's a lie simply because you don't like it. Out of all the important things he said he was going to do as soon as he got in there, this was his first EO. Yes, it does ammend Bush's EO. I'm guessing you didn't read that one either. My point is that it was his first order of business, the thing he thought most important, out of all of his noble causes.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 26, 2010 @ 6:45 pm

I never said Hawaii decided anything, and the insenuations that the word negro was racist is why I brought up MLK. You’d know that if you actually read, you must not have done well in school, assuming you’re not still there.


jayhg
Comment posted January 26, 2010 @ 1:47 pm

How do you know what Clinton and McCain were afraid of, fool!!!! And how do you know it was President Obama's FIRST order of business??? That's a birfer talking point….which is why we all on this board make fun of you trying to pretend that you're not just another dumb ass birfers spouting off dumb ass birfer talking points that make no sense at all!!!!!


epidydimus
Comment posted January 26, 2010 @ 1:53 pm

I've been trying to figure out why your nose is brown, and I think it's because it's shoved way up Obama's ass. I don't know of any cowards who would present this information knowing a bunch of childish ass-clowns will try desperately to ridicule your point. I'm still trying to figure out how I'm a traitor. I love my country. I'd die for my country.

You need a bigger vocabulary as well, get a thesaurus. the same “dellusional paranoid” bullshit has to be boring, even to you.


epidydimus
Comment posted January 26, 2010 @ 1:58 pm

Dipshit, his first EO, look at the date. Signed on his first full day in office. I'd call that FIRST order of business.

http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/2009/pdf/E9-1712.pdf

You shouldn't use all of your limited brain-power coming up with insults, you're ridiculing facts now.


jayhg
Comment posted January 26, 2010 @ 2:06 pm

Ah, but you didn't say it was the first day, fool, you said it was the FIRST THING….and now you want to change it to say, as usual with birfers, “what I MEANT was…..” And I noticed you didn't comment any more on what Clinton and McCain were “afraid” of……poor, poor, birfer…..head all exploding because no one will listen to him……AND he has a little dick, too……boy, life is not fair, is it???


ellid
Comment posted January 26, 2010 @ 2:45 pm

If you know about the privacy laws already, you know why the President hasn't released anything.

Go home. You aren't making a vas deferens, pisser.


ellid
Comment posted January 26, 2010 @ 2:47 pm

This is assuming that Barack Obama Sr., who was born and raised in Africa, was even familiar with the term “Negro.”


ellid
Comment posted January 26, 2010 @ 2:49 pm

You're part of an effort to use un-Constitutional methods to remove a sitting President from office. That sounds pretty un-American to me.


ellid
Comment posted January 26, 2010 @ 2:49 pm

You're part of an effort to use un-Constitutional methods to remove a sitting President from office. That sounds pretty un-American to me.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 26, 2010 @ 7:51 pm

“Negro” was dropped as a respectful term for blacks over forty years ago, as you would know if you hadn’t been living under a rock. It is entirely possible that Barack Obama Sr., born and raised in African, insisted that he be described as “African” on his son’s birth records.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 26, 2010 @ 7:52 pm

And now you’re threatening to rape someone you don’t like. Nice.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 26, 2010 @ 7:52 pm

The term used to describe the President’s father does not detract from the legal validity of the birth certificate.


ellid
Comment posted January 26, 2010 @ 3:03 pm

As a matter of fact, more militant civil rights activists in the Black Power movement *did* accuse Dr. King of being an Uncle Tom.


ellid
Comment posted January 26, 2010 @ 3:04 pm

Better than to be a coprophiliac who enjoys making threats of oral rape.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 26, 2010 @ 8:07 pm

Yet another sexual reference. Did your subscription to the Spice Channel lapse?


Anonymous
Comment posted January 26, 2010 @ 8:08 pm

Thank you for serving as a textbook illustration of paranoia.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 26, 2010 @ 8:10 pm

*calls nearest mental health center to have the paranoid right-wing loon committed as a danger to himself and others*


epidydimus
Comment posted January 26, 2010 @ 4:50 pm

As far as my dick size goes, your mother didn't have any complaints. Of course, it'd be hard for her to complain with a mouth full of cock.

The EO is all he did the first day, hence first thing. Talking to you is like trying to teach a retard calculus.


epidydimus
Comment posted January 26, 2010 @ 4:55 pm

Gee, I just thought he'd be “transparent” like he said he would. He is holding a public office. Just kidding, I never believed a word out of Obama's mouth.

I do applaud your knowledge of the male anatomy.


epidydimus
Comment posted January 26, 2010 @ 5:05 pm

This isn't assuming anything about Obama Sr.

Can anyone out there produce an official birth document with “African” as a race. I've seen “Japanese, Eskimo, Negro, Other Nonwhite,” but I haven't found anyone who can produce another COLB with “African” as a race.

How silly is that classification anyway? That's like putting European instead of White.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 26, 2010 @ 10:07 pm

The document in question originated in 1961, so what’s your point? That was well over 40 years ago! Hawaii was not worried about being PC in 1961, and neither was the rest of the country.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 26, 2010 @ 10:12 pm

So, I guess you agree that African is not a classification they’d use in 1961. You agree that Obama’s father would’ve been classified as negro on the COLB. I mean, otherwise you’d refute it with something besides spice channel jokes.


ellid
Comment posted January 26, 2010 @ 5:14 pm

And yet more evidence of a pathological view of sex as a weapon. Were you raped as a child?


ellid
Comment posted January 26, 2010 @ 5:15 pm

“White” is not capitalized when referring to race, unless one belongs to a racialist/racist group.


ellid
Comment posted January 26, 2010 @ 5:16 pm

I neither want nor accept your opprobrium.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 26, 2010 @ 10:18 pm

What’s *your* point? The state of Hawaii has confirmed that the President was born in Honolulu. Nothing else matters.

Go back to your sandbox, you filthy-minded little boy.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 26, 2010 @ 10:20 pm

Your filthy references to rape, excrement, and violence speak for themselves.


ellid
Comment posted January 26, 2010 @ 5:21 pm

*adds “hates the mentally handicapped” to “coprophilia and rape fixation” in list of poster's obsessions*


jayhg
Comment posted January 26, 2010 @ 5:38 pm

whooo hoooo, look folks, that there was a DEFINITE head explosion from epi….LIE….that is not all President Obama did his first day in office, but I understand you need to say that since I caught you in that lie……


Anonymous
Comment posted January 26, 2010 @ 10:41 pm

epi, quit threatening folks with your non-existent penis……


epidydimus
Comment posted January 26, 2010 @ 6:03 pm

Wow, you blew me out of the water with that one! I mean, you didn't refute any of my statements, but geez, what an insult. I guess you put me in my place!


Anonymous
Comment posted January 26, 2010 @ 11:05 pm

Hey, at least they didn’t falsely claim the Obama’s BC was destroyed by the State of Hawaii. Only “credible” news sources like CNN do that.


Michelle
Comment posted January 26, 2010 @ 6:13 pm

“Nothing was more to be desired than that every practicable obstacle should be opposed to cabal, intrigue, and corruption. These most deadly adversaries of republican government might naturally have been expected to make their approaches from more than one querter, but chiefly from the desire in foreign powers to gain an improper ascendant in our councils. How could they better gratify this, than by raising a creature of their own to the chief magistracy of the Union?” Alexander Hamilton


Anonymous
Comment posted January 26, 2010 @ 11:14 pm

I can’t screw myself, your mom has dibs. Maybe after she’s done. There’s an awful lot of broken and “stalled” promises in there. Sorry I can’t keep track of 400 promises, especially when I know most of them are bullshit to get elected.


epidydimus
Comment posted January 26, 2010 @ 6:27 pm

Part of what effort? I don't donate to Orly Taitz or Philip Berg. The lawsuits are a waste of time. Let me re-iterate: Only Congress has the power to remove a sitting president. That's why it's important the Rep. Deal has written a letter about the issue. He has “standing” as a member of Congress. Hell, Alan Keyes doesn't have standing and he was on the ballot!

Honestly, there's nothing unconstitutional about what the birther lawyers are doing, I don't even know how you made that connection. They keep filing suit to keep the issue in the forefront, and it's working. I don't believe they'll ever win, and I think they know it. Keeping this issue in the spotlight has allowed state legislatures to pass tougher requirements to get on the presidential ballot, which can only strengthen our republic.

I have a feeling the truth won't come out until 2012. If Obama wants to run for re-election, he'll be presenting actual birth documents. As of now, the FEC only requires a notarized letter swearing you're eligible, that's it. Not much of a vetting system for the highest office in the land.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 26, 2010 @ 11:29 pm

Oh, I see. When people insult me that’s okay, but when I stand up for myself I’m a bully. You must’ve been picked on quite a bit in school.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 26, 2010 @ 11:32 pm

Black Power, White Power, it’s all ignorant, self-important bullshit. What’s your point? You agree with the Black Panthers?


Anonymous
Comment posted January 26, 2010 @ 11:36 pm

Boo hoo, fuck you. Read further up the thread. My words are not unprovoked.

And those aren’t threats, they’re promises.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 26, 2010 @ 11:40 pm

You have an interesting fantasy world, how am I paranoid again? Please, give examples, the class would love you to share.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 26, 2010 @ 11:44 pm

*laughs as ellid tries to dial out on his prison phone.*

I saw your mugshot, you had on an Obama T-Shirt.


epidydimus
Comment posted January 26, 2010 @ 6:45 pm

I don't hate the mentally handicapped, I just call 'em like I see 'em, retard.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 26, 2010 @ 11:47 pm

You’re right, your crab infested vagina is everyone’s real concern here.


epidydimus
Comment posted January 26, 2010 @ 6:47 pm

Then take your pussy patrol somewhere else.


jayhg
Comment posted January 26, 2010 @ 7:10 pm

what the HELL are you babbling about…..???


ellid
Comment posted January 26, 2010 @ 8:47 pm

I'm pretty sure this is yet another person who thinks that the President is a puppet of the Trilateral Commission, the Bilderbergers, the Mafia, the Illuminati, and of course “the Jewish financiers.” It's ridiculous, but some people think that way.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 27, 2010 @ 1:50 am

So you are actually threatening to rape people who disagree with you?

What a sad person you are.


ellid
Comment posted January 26, 2010 @ 8:51 pm

Yet more evidence of sexual pathology. I pity whatever woman is foolish enough to be involved with you.


ellid
Comment posted January 26, 2010 @ 8:52 pm

*continues to take notes*


Anonymous
Comment posted January 27, 2010 @ 1:53 am

Please explain how threatening to rape someone is self-defense.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 27, 2010 @ 1:54 am

Your words speak for themselves.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 27, 2010 @ 1:56 am

I’m sorry to disappoint you, but my mug shot shows me wearing a Smith College Alumna t-shirt.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 27, 2010 @ 2:08 am

They are trying to remove a sitting President from office by means other than the sole method for doing so, which involves impeachment, trial, and conviction by Congress for “bribery, treason, and other high crimes and misdemeanors.”


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted January 26, 2010 @ 10:59 pm

Nice take.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted January 26, 2010 @ 11:00 pm

You are an embarrassment.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted January 26, 2010 @ 11:05 pm

Yes, it repealed Bush's secrecy policy and you're an idiot.

PRESIDENT OBAMA REVOKES BUSH PRESIDENTIAL RECORDS EXECUTIVE ORDER (UPDATED JAN. 26)
On January 21, in one of his first official acts, President Barack Obama revoked the Bush administration’s Executive Order 13233 that severely limited access by the public to presidential records.
President Obama firmly committed his administration to a new policy of transparency by symbolically issuing the executive order on his first full day in office. The issuance of the Obama presidential records executive order ends a nearly eight year effort by historians, archivists, political scientists and other stakeholders in federal courts and on Capitol Hill to have the Bush EO revoked on legal grounds or by statute.
The language in the Obama executive order is similar to Executive Order 12667 issued by President Reagan in 1989 which was also in effect during the presidencies of George H.W. Bush and Bill Clinton. The Reagan executive order was revoked when President Bush issued EO 13233 in November 2001.
The Obama executive order restores the presumption that the incumbent president, not former presidents, their heirs or designees should be the one asserting claims of executive privilege. The executive order states that only “living” former Presidents can make claims of executive privilege. This removed one of the most egregious sections of the Bush EO that allowed heirs or designees to make claims of executive privilege for an indefinite period after the death of a former President.
In addition, the provisions in the Bush EO allowing former vice presidents to assert executive privilege are gone. In fact, the Obama EO makes it clear that vice presidential records are to be included under the definition of “presidential records.”
Executive Order 13489 also restores the function of the Archivist of the United States’ as an independent arbiter of initial claims of executive privilege. The executive order assumes the Archivist may release records 30 days after notifying the incumbent and former Presidents unless a claim of executive privilege is made.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted January 26, 2010 @ 11:06 pm

You're a lazy troll.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted January 26, 2010 @ 11:07 pm

“Pitty”

Go fuck yourself, troll.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted January 26, 2010 @ 11:08 pm

Pussy patrol? WTF is wrong with you?


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted January 26, 2010 @ 11:12 pm

Because you're a fucking idiot.

PRESIDENT OBAMA REVOKES BUSH PRESIDENTIAL RECORDS EXECUTIVE ORDER (UPDATED JAN. 26)
On January 21, in one of his first official acts, President Barack Obama revoked the Bush administration’s Executive Order 13233 that severely limited access by the public to presidential records.
President Obama firmly committed his administration to a new policy of transparency by symbolically issuing the executive order on his first full day in office. The issuance of the Obama presidential records executive order ends a nearly eight year effort by historians, archivists, political scientists and other stakeholders in federal courts and on Capitol Hill to have the Bush EO revoked on legal grounds or by statute.
The language in the Obama executive order is similar to Executive Order 12667 issued by President Reagan in 1989 which was also in effect during the presidencies of George H.W. Bush and Bill Clinton. The Reagan executive order was revoked when President Bush issued EO 13233 in November 2001.
The Obama executive order restores the presumption that the incumbent president, not former presidents, their heirs or designees should be the one asserting claims of executive privilege. The executive order states that only “living” former Presidents can make claims of executive privilege. This removed one of the most egregious sections of the Bush EO that allowed heirs or designees to make claims of executive privilege for an indefinite period after the death of a former President.
In addition, the provisions in the Bush EO allowing former vice presidents to assert executive privilege are gone. In fact, the Obama EO makes it clear that vice presidential records are to be included under the definition of “presidential records.”
Executive Order 13489 also restores the function of the Archivist of the United States’ as an independent arbiter of initial claims of executive privilege. The executive order assumes the Archivist may release records 30 days after notifying the incumbent and former Presidents unless a claim of executive privilege is made.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted January 26, 2010 @ 11:13 pm

YOU ARE BRAIN DAMAGED.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted January 26, 2010 @ 11:15 pm

I've explained why. That won't stop you from being a coward and a douche bag.Go fuck yourself, pedophile.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted January 26, 2010 @ 11:16 pm

What's the point? You're a deranged douche with a great IP address.

Dumbass.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted January 26, 2010 @ 11:17 pm

Fuck you, asshole. You're a pretender. I've explained why.

You're a piece of shit and you belong in prison.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted January 26, 2010 @ 11:19 pm

http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2009/08/vital-st…

Check it.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted January 27, 2010 @ 4:21 am

Yes, you are a coward and traitor. You should die in prison.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted January 27, 2010 @ 11:05 am

Are you illiterate?


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted January 27, 2010 @ 11:06 am

Seriously, are you illiterate? Or just a complete, fucked up moron?


jayhg
Comment posted January 27, 2010 @ 1:15 pm

Pie, you made epi look like an even bigger fool, if that's possible…..thanks!!!


jayhg
Comment posted January 27, 2010 @ 1:20 pm

Refuting your “statements” is an exercise in futility, of which I choose not to engage (since your statements are more ignorant, birfer bullshit) …and anyhow, I prefer to make fun of your tiny brain and tinier penis.


chrisjay
Comment posted January 27, 2010 @ 1:35 pm

Birfers striving to make common cause with more traditional conspiracy theorists & racists


Anonymous
Comment posted January 27, 2010 @ 6:36 pm

eip said: “They keep filing suit to keep the issue in the forefront, and it’s working….” Birfers are SO STUPID……listen birfer, if it was WORKING, a birfer would have WON a lawsuit by now!!!

And you can have all the “feeling”s you want, but it won’t change anything and President Obama will be re-elected in 2012 and the birth certificate he presented so far will be JUST FINE…….dumb ass birfer!!!


Anonymous
Comment posted January 27, 2010 @ 11:27 pm

You lack of intelligence makes me a sad person. You seem to have SRD (Selective Reading Disorder). I don’t know why you expect me to be “nice” to people who insult me, as you’ve managed to do yet again. When someone claims that we don’t have birth certificates with the doctor’s signature, I call bullshit, because that’s what it is. What’s posted on the Obama loving Factcheck.org is not a Certificate of Live Birth, it is a Certification of Live Birth. It’s a computer generated document with limited information taken from the Certificate of Live Birth. I posted a link to the certificate of live birth earlier in the post, did you miss that? To claim that the certification of live birth is genuine, yet deny the existence of the longform certificate of live birth document it draws its information from makes absolutely no sense. You can’t have it both ways. If birthers are asking for a non-existent document, then the certification of live birth on factcheck.org and other sites must be a fraud with no vault copy information to get its information from. To say the long form doesn’t exist also assumes that there are no hard copy records anywhere that show what hospital you were born at. Why would we stop keeping records of that? How can you expect me to believe that? How can you believe that?


epidydimus
Comment posted January 27, 2010 @ 6:30 pm

You're getting lazy yourself. Down to four words per post. You must be getting tired, you should go take a nap.


epidydimus
Comment posted January 27, 2010 @ 6:51 pm

What secrecy policy could you possibly be talking about? The one that protected dead presidents through their heirs? So, how does that hurt his privacy exactly? He is still alive. Two people that HE hired are the only ones who can deny him or living former presidents' executive privelege. This clearly doesn't do anything but allow dirt on dead presidents to surface.

Honestly, “repealed Bush's screcy policy,” proves you don't fully grasp this subject. You obviously didn't read the executive order, and took a silly news article's word over just going and reading the EO.

http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/2009/pdf/E9-1712.pdf

His records are locked up as tight as a duck's asshole. By the way, I can't find “executive privelege” anywhere in The Constitution either.


epidydimus
Comment posted January 27, 2010 @ 6:54 pm

Could you try to fit all of your thoughts in on one post? There's no timer, you can wait as long as you want until all of your “clever” thoughts come to you.


epidydimus
Comment posted January 27, 2010 @ 6:57 pm

Seriously, you couldn't put all of that in one post? Take your time, I know you're a slow thinker, and there's nothing wrong with that. I'm afraid you might damage your brain if you push yourself too hard. Take your time, get all of your thoughts together, then press send. It's a simple concept for most, I know you'll get it if you just keep trying.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 28, 2010 @ 12:01 am

Can’t refute my statements so now you’re going to make fun of my penis? Go ahead, I have nothing to be ashamed of. You’re mother didn’t give me any complaints.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 28, 2010 @ 12:05 am

I say they keep filing lawuits to keep the issue in the forefront, andit’s working. You seem to think winning a lawsuit is the point, it’s not. They don’t have standing even with military people stepping up as plaintiffs. Like I’ve said before, Congress has standing to question the president’s eligibility. I know you’re not arguing that the lawsuits haven’t kept the story in the press. After all, look where we’re posting over a year after the inauguration.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 28, 2010 @ 12:07 am

Yet, you continue to speak. Perplexing.


epidydimus
Comment posted January 27, 2010 @ 7:07 pm

You must be reading a different thread than me.


epidydimus
Comment posted January 27, 2010 @ 7:08 pm

Seriously, you've got more re-runs than nick@nite. Stop dupe posting, jackass.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 28, 2010 @ 12:09 am

Then shut up and let them speak.


epidydimus
Comment posted January 27, 2010 @ 7:10 pm

I pitty you, and whichever hand of yours is foolish enough to be involved with you. And you should talk so bad about your mom, you disrespectful little shit.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 28, 2010 @ 12:11 am

Who’s they?


Anonymous
Comment posted January 28, 2010 @ 12:16 am

Explain who gave you the speech police badge, and how they convinced you it was genuine? Are trying to say self-defense as a legal term now? I treat people how they treat me. Don’t go down in the mud if you’re gonna cry when I go down there with you and put you in your place, that’s a bitch thing to do, bitch.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 28, 2010 @ 12:18 am

Nope, I’m not one of your victims.


epidydimus
Comment posted January 27, 2010 @ 7:21 pm

Why are afraid to list the source of that news article, bitch? I'm trying to understand why you put so much faith in it, yet don't post the source.


epidydimus
Comment posted January 27, 2010 @ 7:21 pm

Don't cry bitch, get in your pussy wagon and go home.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 28, 2010 @ 12:22 am

The State of Hawaii, hasn’t done anything but make a press release, and violated privacy laws when they spoke about the document, unless it doesn’t exist.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 28, 2010 @ 12:28 am

Your charges are baseless, and you’ve obviously become upset that African should say Negro on the COLB. I’m questioning the validity of a document, nothing more. I didn’t show up here shouting about “the usurper” or any of that bullshit. I came with a point, you can’t refute it. Now all you can do is throw insults and ridiculous accusations, and you’re not even good at that.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 28, 2010 @ 12:31 am

I’m sorry, I didn’t know typos were racist now.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 28, 2010 @ 12:33 am

Oh, I’m not disappointed. I was only kidding, but you’ve admitted you’ve been to jail, and that makes me smile. I’m sure you deserved to be there.


epidydimus
Comment posted January 27, 2010 @ 7:33 pm

only for responding to your bullshit.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 28, 2010 @ 12:50 am

epi, pay attention..I said I CHOOSE NOT TO do any refutation of your birfer talking point…….and you’re funny as shit with that “yo mama” stuff you keep typing….which is why no one refers to it….we are afraid you will stop saying it and stop entertaining us with your birfer head explosions!!!!


Anonymous
Comment posted January 28, 2010 @ 1:43 am

You choose not to refute, like a stone chooses not to float.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 28, 2010 @ 2:54 am

Yours certainly are.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 28, 2010 @ 2:56 am

No one has threatened you with physical violence.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 28, 2010 @ 2:56 am

No one has threatened you with physical violence.


ellid
Comment posted January 27, 2010 @ 9:57 pm

He really is rather appalling, isn't he?


ellid
Comment posted January 27, 2010 @ 9:58 pm

My mother died 14 years ago. There is no reason for you to bring her up, since I did not mention her.

Also, it's “pity.”


Anonymous
Comment posted January 28, 2010 @ 3:01 am

I’m sure you’re perfectly manly and fine, having to rape and threaten and insult everyone around you so you can feel secure.

You are a very sad person.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 28, 2010 @ 3:01 am

I’m sure you’re perfectly manly and fine, having to rape and threaten and insult everyone around you so you can feel secure.

You are a very sad person.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 28, 2010 @ 3:03 am

Birthers, just like you.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 28, 2010 @ 3:03 am

Birthers, just like you.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 28, 2010 @ 3:07 am

Not a single thing that anyone has said in reply to you justifies a threat of rape.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 28, 2010 @ 3:07 am

Not a single thing that anyone has said in reply to you justifies a threat of rape.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 28, 2010 @ 3:09 am

You cannot even recognize sarcasm when you read it. I pity you.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 28, 2010 @ 3:09 am

You cannot even recognize sarcasm when you read it. I pity you.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 28, 2010 @ 11:51 am

Still upset that the COLB is fake? Don’t take it out on me.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 28, 2010 @ 11:51 am

Still upset that the COLB is fake? Don’t take it out on me.


epidydimus
Comment posted January 28, 2010 @ 6:54 am

Why don't you put all of your little useless thoughts in one post, don't have the brain power to come up with all of these pithy comments at once? I don't have time for you. If you want to discuss the COLB that's fine, but you're wasting my time commenting on shit that is irrelevant to the conversation, like yourself.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 28, 2010 @ 11:59 am

Did you have a question about the COLB? No one threatened to rape you, and you’re clinging to this one pretty hard because you know I’m right about the COLB. Keep talking about rape as if anyone else cares. Even the guy I was talking to hasn’t harped on it as much as you. I don’t need your approval, what are you the thread police?


Anonymous
Comment posted January 28, 2010 @ 11:59 am

Did you have a question about the COLB? No one threatened to rape you, and you’re clinging to this one pretty hard because you know I’m right about the COLB. Keep talking about rape as if anyone else cares. Even the guy I was talking to hasn’t harped on it as much as you. I don’t need your approval, what are you the thread police?


Anonymous
Comment posted January 28, 2010 @ 12:02 pm

Gee, I can’t recognize sarcasm when it’s written and not spoken with obvious sarcastic inflections. I guess I’ll just have to work on that.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 28, 2010 @ 12:02 pm

Gee, I can’t recognize sarcasm when it’s written and not spoken with obvious sarcastic inflections. I guess I’ll just have to work on that.


ellid
Comment posted January 28, 2010 @ 7:30 am

I think they've been doing that all along. He's a scaaaary black man, not a 100% American white boy with 2.5 children and a doting wife.


ellid
Comment posted January 28, 2010 @ 7:32 am

There is no controversy about the birth certificate except in your mind. Given that, your mental state is indeed relevant, as are your constant insults and threats of violence to those who do not agree with you.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 28, 2010 @ 12:33 pm

Thank you for admitting your problem. Now, if you could only apply this to your obsession with body waste and sexual violence, you would be accomplishing something.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 28, 2010 @ 12:33 pm

Thank you for admitting your problem. Now, if you could only apply this to your obsession with body waste and sexual violence, you would be accomplishing something.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 28, 2010 @ 12:34 pm

You have threatened sexual violence in response to insults. This is far more frightening to me than fictitious problems with the President’s birth certificate.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 28, 2010 @ 12:34 pm

You have threatened sexual violence in response to insults. This is far more frightening to me than fictitious problems with the President’s birth certificate.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 28, 2010 @ 12:35 pm

You are the one who is projecting your rage onto others. You are truly ill.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 28, 2010 @ 12:35 pm

You are the one who is projecting your rage onto others. You are truly ill.


epidydimus
Comment posted January 28, 2010 @ 8:19 am

Your revisionist history intrigues me, as does your use of the word constant. I didn't come here spitting fire, I held to my points and didn't get personal for a while, in spite of constant insults. Then people started with the bullshit stories. Everyone else here seems to think that's the only way they can win their foolish arguments that documents don't exist by making up bullshit stories about their families not having certificates of live birth. You can swallow that horseshit if you want to, they serve it up here all day long.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 28, 2010 @ 1:20 pm

Can you hear me up there on your high horse?


Anonymous
Comment posted January 28, 2010 @ 1:20 pm

Can you hear me up there on your high horse?


Anonymous
Comment posted January 28, 2010 @ 1:23 pm

Clearly you haven’t read anyone else’s comments. Are you lecturing them as well? Or, have you singled me out because I don’t agree with you and your buddies here. Can you hear me from up there on you high horse? Take a look at some of your own assaults on me, reflect on it. Can you hear me up there?


Anonymous
Comment posted January 28, 2010 @ 1:23 pm

Clearly you haven’t read anyone else’s comments. Are you lecturing them as well? Or, have you singled me out because I don’t agree with you and your buddies here. Can you hear me from up there on you high horse? Take a look at some of your own assaults on me, reflect on it. Can you hear me up there?


Anonymous
Comment posted January 28, 2010 @ 7:08 pm

If only.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 28, 2010 @ 7:08 pm

If only.


ellid
Comment posted January 28, 2010 @ 2:08 pm

Even if you were not lying, which you are, nothing that anyone said to you justifies threats of rape.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 28, 2010 @ 7:11 pm

“Assaults”? I’ve never even met you, so how could I possibly have assaulted you? I have responded to your comments, which are full of violence, threatened rape, and references to excrement and forced sex. Comparing what I, or anyone else, has said to you, to references to “your sand-encrusted vagina,” “shoving my dick down your throat,” or raping someone’s mother is a false comparison.

It also proves my point: you have some very, very deep and very nasty problems. You need to get help.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 28, 2010 @ 7:11 pm

“Assaults”? I’ve never even met you, so how could I possibly have assaulted you? I have responded to your comments, which are full of violence, threatened rape, and references to excrement and forced sex. Comparing what I, or anyone else, has said to you, to references to “your sand-encrusted vagina,” “shoving my dick down your throat,” or raping someone’s mother is a false comparison.

It also proves my point: you have some very, very deep and very nasty problems. You need to get help.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 28, 2010 @ 7:15 pm

I have yet to see a single correct statement from you.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 28, 2010 @ 7:15 pm

I have yet to see a single correct statement from you.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 28, 2010 @ 7:32 pm

The only help I need, is figuring out why Obama’s father’s race is listed as african when it would’ve been listed negro. Sorry for totally pwning people when they throw primitive insults at me. You should report me to the speech police, and have me indicted for thought crimes if you feel so strongly about it. I’ve said all I need to say about it. Can we move on, or are you afraid to get back to the actual discussion?


Anonymous
Comment posted January 28, 2010 @ 7:32 pm

The only help I need, is figuring out why Obama’s father’s race is listed as african when it would’ve been listed negro. Sorry for totally pwning people when they throw primitive insults at me. You should report me to the speech police, and have me indicted for thought crimes if you feel so strongly about it. I’ve said all I need to say about it. Can we move on, or are you afraid to get back to the actual discussion?


Anonymous
Comment posted January 28, 2010 @ 7:33 pm

Then quit reading. Better yet, quit bothering me, unless you can point me to some documents that classifies people’s race as african to back up Obama’s COLB.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 28, 2010 @ 7:33 pm

Then quit reading. Better yet, quit bothering me, unless you can point me to some documents that classifies people’s race as african to back up Obama’s COLB.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 28, 2010 @ 7:55 pm

epi, WTF….OF COURSE WINNING IS THE POINT!!!!! And NO, the press makes fun of it every now and then, but the bulk of it is websites like this one with us making fun of you birfers..!!


Anonymous
Comment posted January 28, 2010 @ 7:55 pm

epi, WTF….OF COURSE WINNING IS THE POINT!!!!! And NO, the press makes fun of it every now and then, but the bulk of it is websites like this one with us making fun of you birfers..!!


Anonymous
Comment posted January 28, 2010 @ 7:56 pm

epi, the “they” are dumb asses like YOU and orly…..


Anonymous
Comment posted January 28, 2010 @ 7:56 pm

epi, the “they” are dumb asses like YOU and orly…..


Anonymous
Comment posted January 28, 2010 @ 8:19 pm

Don’t you think having a congressman question the president’s eligibility counts as a victory?


Anonymous
Comment posted January 28, 2010 @ 8:19 pm

Don’t you think having a congressman question the president’s eligibility counts as a victory?


Anonymous
Comment posted January 28, 2010 @ 8:19 pm

You’re entitled to your myopic opinion I suppose.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 28, 2010 @ 8:19 pm

You’re entitled to your myopic opinion I suppose.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 29, 2010 @ 4:57 pm

The parent fills out Race on the form, and that gets typed onto the top part of the long form birth certificate. Then a trained hospital worker transcribes additional information from the medical chart into the bottom statistical/medical section. Then when the record goes to the health department, a coder enters the classified race into the bottom part of the form. In 1961, they would have looked at “African” in the top part and typed in “Negro” in the bottom part. The bottom part (today) goes (electronically) to the National Center for Health Statistics. If the top said “American” the bottom would probably have been set to White.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 29, 2010 @ 5:06 pm

No, that does NOT count as a victory!!


Anonymous
Comment posted January 29, 2010 @ 7:30 pm

Only if having the entire House of Representatives pass a resolution honoring Hawaii’s statehood and its status as the birthplace of the sitting President is ignored.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 29, 2010 @ 7:30 pm

The President’s birth in Hawaii is about as much an opinion as the blueness of the sky.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 29, 2010 @ 9:22 pm

What discussion? You are arguing in favor of a position that has as much validity as the existence of phlogiston.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 29, 2010 @ 10:45 pm

Every other NON-BINDING resolution they pass is ignored.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 29, 2010 @ 10:49 pm

Well, when the sky is overcast it its gray, you almost made a good one there, keep trying


Anonymous
Comment posted January 29, 2010 @ 10:50 pm

What position? I thought we were talking about the COLB? Did you get lost again?


Anonymous
Comment posted January 29, 2010 @ 10:53 pm

Maybe not for you. Can you at least agree it’s somewhat dangerous to let a person run for president based soley on an affadavit stating he’s eligible? It’s harder to get a driver’s license than to run for president.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 30, 2010 @ 2:09 am

Your point? The NON-BINDING resolution has every bit as much force as the REQUEST by a House member to see the birth certificate.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 30, 2010 @ 2:10 am

Please explain the meaning of “when the sky is over it its gray.”


Anonymous
Comment posted January 30, 2010 @ 2:12 am

That the President was not born in this country, and that the legal birth certificate released over a year ago, verified by the State of Hawaii, is somehow a lie and a forgery based on inaccurate “expert opinions” posted by people who couldn’t Photoshop their own Christmas cards.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 30, 2010 @ 2:13 am

I agree with nothing you have said. However, your last sentence is the most amazing piece of bullshit I’ve seen in quite some time. May I submit it to the Bulwer-Lytton bad fiction contest? Any book beginning with such an assertion would be right down there with the collected works of Pedro Carolino.


Anthony
Comment posted January 30, 2010 @ 6:51 am

You continue to make things up. As I stated before “Stop pretending that you know more that you do.”


Anthony
Comment posted January 30, 2010 @ 7:01 am

“(If the top said “American” the bottom would probably have been set to White.)”

Wow. You are an absolute moron. Did you honestly take time to read what you wrote.

No, you didn’t. You are so wrapped up with your conspiracy theory that you fail to take time to think.


Anthony
Comment posted January 30, 2010 @ 2:31 am

It is hard to determine in what context your comment is suppose to be.


Anonymous
Comment posted February 1, 2010 @ 4:13 pm

The point is Congress has “standing” to challenge the president, not lowly citizens like you and me. I can’t believe I have to spell this out for you.


Anonymous
Comment posted February 1, 2010 @ 4:14 pm

when the sky is overcast, full of clouds. Sorry.


Anonymous
Comment posted February 1, 2010 @ 4:16 pm

Please, give an example of inaccuracy from an “expert opinion,” I’m intrigued. Tell me about their lies.


Anonymous
Comment posted February 1, 2010 @ 4:51 pm

If you don’t believe me, check it out and see for yourself. http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_RZMpC9qpZpg/S2cCgB9YbcI/AAAAAAAAAKk/8BTYuWWeDjo/s1600-h/2008_DNC_Certification_Doc_1.jpg

Believe it or not, each Party is assigned the duty of vetting and certifying the legal eligibility of their own candidates. The FEC doesn’t ask for Obama’s BC, nor do the individual Secretaries of State. They just need a silly piece of paper with some signatures on it from the party.

If it’s that easy for you to get a driver’s license, you’ll have to share your secret. I seem to need to provide a birth certificate and social security number to get mine. Also, in my state if you’re under 18 you have to show proof you are enrolled in school, or no driving for you.


Anonymous
Comment posted February 1, 2010 @ 4:52 pm

What did I make up?


Anonymous
Comment posted February 1, 2010 @ 4:53 pm

Are you retarded?


Anonymous
Comment posted February 1, 2010 @ 6:11 pm

eip, you fool, I would agree if this is what happened, but THIS IS ANOTHER BIRFER TALKING POINT!! Listen here, President Barack Obama was vetted by folks who wanted to beat him in the presidential race, like Clinton during the primaries and McCain during the general, and they discovered that HE IS AN NATURAL BORN AMERICAN CITIZEN BECAUSE HE WAS BORN IN HAWAII!! So eip, honey, sweetie, DEAR…….GIVE IT UP!!!!!


Anonymous
Comment posted February 1, 2010 @ 6:57 pm

You seem to be missing my point. If you read above there are a lot of references to “the south” and racism in people’s replies to me. They immediately assume I’m a racist for questioning their coveted president, without even addressing the issue of the COLB. This would’ve happened as well if McCain or Hillary brought this up. Xenophobe! Racist! That’s all you’d hear from Obama’s supporters. The problem is, McCain and Clinton think the common american is “too stupid” to reject Obama’s race card. Of course, if they bring it up now, they’ll be called sore losers. This is all an opinion mind you, but when CNN releases false information to try and kill a story, something’s up.


Anonymous
Comment posted February 1, 2010 @ 9:06 pm

Congress *as a body* can bring Articles of Impeachment, but the individual members have no more standing to bring suit than any other private citizen. Ask any lawyer and you’ll get the same answer.


Anonymous
Comment posted February 1, 2010 @ 9:08 pm

How nice, that you’re sharing the little saying from the fortune cookie at Owa Tagu Siam’s Chinese Restaurant and Wingnut Emporium. Tell me, how is the brain drop soup?


Anonymous
Comment posted February 1, 2010 @ 9:08 pm

Already extensively debunked in other threads. Try again, birther.


Anonymous
Comment posted February 1, 2010 @ 9:11 pm

And becoming involves spending a couple of years of campaigning, fundraising, debating, debunking lies, exposing one’s life and one’s family to constant public scrutiny, traveling hundreds of thousands of miles, choosing a campaign team, and tromping all over godforsaken prairie towns in Iowa and backwoods towns in New Hampshire. Comparing that to marching to the local RMV, taking a short test, and getting a crappy picture taken is ludicrous.

I repeat: it is much, much, much easier to get a driver’s license than to become President of the United States.


Anonymous
Comment posted February 1, 2010 @ 9:12 pm

Almost everything you’ve parroted from attack sites, Orly Taitz and Phil Berg’s ridiculous legal briefs, and right-wing blogs from the likes of Andy Martin, Andrew Breitbart, the Free Republic, and TownHall.com.


Anonymous
Comment posted February 1, 2010 @ 9:13 pm

Far from it. I’m also smart enough to recognize a smear and a ludicrous narrative when I read it, unlike you and your little birther friends.


Anonymous
Comment posted February 1, 2010 @ 9:18 pm

First, both Senator McCain and Secretary Clinton investigated the birther rumors and found them to be false.

Second, Secretary Clinton’s husband and some of her supporters, like Geraldine Ferraro and Robin Morgan, most certainly *did* play the race card, or come damn close to it.

Third, I haven’t missed your point. I know exactly what you’re saying, and it’s hogwash. The only “issue with the COLB” is with ignorant birthers who would rather believe that a pregnant teenager would fly halfway around the world to give birth than that a President they hate was actually born in America.

Fourth, the chief architects of the birther argument are racists like Andrew Martin and Orly Taitz. If you aren’t a racist, why are you repeating their lies?


Anonymous
Comment posted February 2, 2010 @ 1:10 am

Well, I know 1 isn’t 435, but it’s a start. By the way, we aren’t talking about impeachment. If Obama is ineligible, Biden would be sworn in as president. There’s no need to impeach a usurper who never really had legal authority anyway. I’m sure Congress would declare all of his EOs treaties, and bills signed null and void. If Congress didn’t, I’m sure the Supreme Court would. After all, they aren’t exactly feeling “Obama Love” these days. Anyway, I’m more interested in the legislation personally. If this is all bullshit, at least legislation at the state level will stop this controversy from happening again.


Anonymous
Comment posted February 2, 2010 @ 1:13 am

You should quote the words you ridicule. I’m not sure what “saying” you refer to.


Anonymous
Comment posted February 2, 2010 @ 1:14 am

What’s debunked exactly? I’m not reading threads of retarded Obots insulting people, I have enough of that here.


Anonymous
Comment posted February 2, 2010 @ 1:16 am

I was talking about the amount of paperwork you are required to submit. Sorry if I didn’t make that clear.


Anonymous
Comment posted February 2, 2010 @ 1:25 am

Really, I don’t follow them. Orly’s site had a trojan for quite a while, and Phil Berg can’t be trusted. After all, he’s a democrat. I’m not even sure who Andy Martin is, and well, I haven’t even seen anything on Breitbart about the controversy. Perhaps I don’t follow it as closely as you.

If you want to prove me wrong, someone’s offering quite a bit of cash to get proof of Obama’s natural born citizenship. Perhaps you should speak with them:

http://volubrjotr.com/2010/01/31/breaking-news-obama-eligibility-100000-for-proof-of-eligibility-cult-of-colbers-realizes-birth-announcement-in-hawaiian-papers-done-with-colb-not-vault-long-form-birth-certificate/

You could make a killing off of this guy. He’ll put money on it. I just have doubts, I’m not betting on anything. This guy says $100,000 to anyone who can prove Obama is a natural born citizen. I find the situation humorous myself. The editor and chief of WND actually put $10,000 of his own money down as a donation to Obama’s birth hospital, if they could prove Obama was born there. Recently, he upped the ante to $15,000, but that pales in comparison to this $100,000 reward.

Believe me, I’d prove it to him if I could.


Anonymous
Comment posted February 2, 2010 @ 1:28 am

What narrative? I just came and asked a question. Sorry if someone’s asked it before.


Anonymous
Comment posted February 2, 2010 @ 2:27 am

Sorry, but impeachment is the only way to remove a sitting President.

FAIL.


Anonymous
Comment posted February 2, 2010 @ 2:28 am

Sorry, but there isn’t room in the reply window to include every single thing you’ve posted.


Anonymous
Comment posted February 2, 2010 @ 2:28 am

In that case, why are you here? You haven’t provided a single thing that hasn’t been seen and debunked at length for the last, oh, six months or so.


Anonymous
Comment posted February 2, 2010 @ 2:30 am

You said only that it was easier to become President than to get a driver’s license. Sorry, but if you meant paperwork you should have said so.

Also, if you truly think that a prospective President isn’t subject to a background check that makes ordinary security clearance screenings look like a kindergarten dance, you are out of your mind.

I stand by what I said: regardless of what is involved, it is much easier to obtain a driver’s license than to become President.


Anonymous
Comment posted February 2, 2010 @ 2:32 am

Sorry, but I don’t have the money to take this clown to court, which is what one has to do with fanatics to force them to cough up when they’re proved wrong.

As for your last sentence, please don’t lie. It’s a very bad habit.


Anonymous
Comment posted February 2, 2010 @ 2:32 am

The narrative that the President was born somewhere other than Honolulu.


Anonymous
Comment posted February 2, 2010 @ 3:55 am

I’m just wondering why a racist like Orly Taitz would represent Alan Keyes. Please, answer that one. Also, Obama played the race card first. If you’ll recall:

“Nobody thinks that Bush and McCain have a real answer to the challenges we face. So what they’re going to try to do is make you scared of me,” Obama said. “You know, ‘He’s not patriotic enough, he’s got a funny name,’ you know, ‘He doesn’t look like all those other presidents on the dollar bills.’”

If you don’t think that’s racist, then trying to get through to you is like spitting back at rain.


Anonymous
Comment posted February 2, 2010 @ 3:57 am

There’s no need for impeachment if the candidate is found ineligible. Please referece Amendment XX of your pocket Constitution.

A+


Anonymous
Comment posted February 2, 2010 @ 3:58 am

Alinsky didn’t teach you what to do when someone calls you out on your bullshit? What a shame.


Anonymous
Comment posted February 2, 2010 @ 3:59 am

I just wanted an answer, yet you fail to provide one. Maybe you’re holding out for that $100,000.


Anonymous
Comment posted February 2, 2010 @ 4:00 am

I should’ve said so? Well I just did.


Anonymous
Comment posted February 2, 2010 @ 4:07 am

You’re so full of shit it’s spilling out in your posts. You don’t have the money to take him to court? Really? All he wants is proof of Obama’s eligibility to be president. It doesn’t take any money, just evidence. By ridiculing me you’ve invested yourself in that fact. Now, you have a chance to cash in but you can’t, because you’re full of shit. You have just as much evidence for your side as I do for mine, and that’s the problem. That’s why all of this birther legislation is such a good thing. If Obama isn’t eligible, you’ll find out soon enough. Do you think he’s already alluded to being a “one term president” because of this? After all, he doesn’t have to run again if he doesn’t want to. The problem is, if he doesn’t run again, we’ll never really know will we?

As for the supposed lie, be more specific. I’m not going back to the thread to find out you can’t read. Checking my e-mail is already more trouble than you’re worth.


Anonymous
Comment posted February 2, 2010 @ 4:08 am

I’m talking about the COLB, not some narrative. I think you’ve got your threads crossed.


Anthony
Comment posted February 2, 2010 @ 6:32 am

Your entire arguments are made up. Everything you have posted are factually false or cheap deceptions.

Did you actually know that their is one Hawaiian birth certificate with Caucasian Hawaiian and white on it for the mother and father respectively.

http://www.theobamafile.com/_images/HawaiiBirthCertificate.jpg

Birthers just lie about the facts without knowing what they are talking about.


Anonymous
Comment posted February 2, 2010 @ 11:58 am

The sad thing is, that link has just as much validity as anything factcheck.org has. You’re document doesn’t ease my concerns, only elevates them. COLBs lack so much detail, birth hospital, delivering doctor’s name, etc. Now you show me that race on these makes absolutely no sense, that doesn’t give me confidence in hawaii’s record keeping. Perhaps if you had a long form to back this up, I could verify the information contained on it is accurate. But hey, you have a lot of faith in online documents. Funny you chose to link that site. Look what I’ve found there.

Well, here’s proof that Obamas “Certification of Live Birth” means nothing.

Amended certifications of birth may be prepared and filed with the Department of Health, as provided by law, for 1) a person born in Hawaii who already has a birth certificate filed with the Department of Health or 2) a person born in a foreign country.

This is straight from the Hawaii Department Of Health Website.

In other words, the “Certification of Live Birth” posted on Obama’s website, Factcheck.org and the Daily KOS doesn’t prove anything, simply because someone born in a foreign country could file for an amended certification — click the link, read it for yourself. Then, grab your COLB and head down to the DMV. I’m sure they’ll issue a license no questions asked.

The simple fact is, the paper version of this “COLB” has never been examined by any controlling legal authority. The only people to have ever seen this document is Obama’s operatives in his campaign and at FactCheck.org.

A Certification of Live Birth is not a Birth Certificate. Obama’s sister Maya was born in Jakarta, Indonesia, but Anna Dunham registered her as “born in Honolulu” shortly after her birth. Maya has a State of Hawaii Certification of Live Birth, just like Obama — proves nothing.

Now I can discount this document all together. Thanks for sharing the site. You should read it sometime.

http://www.theobamafile.com/ObamaCOLB.htm


Anthony
Comment posted February 2, 2010 @ 12:37 pm

epidydimus what you failed to realize is the link was provided by a person who agrees with you cheap deception. I was just demonstrating to you that your lies are nothing but that lies.

http://www.theobamafile.com/ is a birther consparicy site.

This doesn’t change the fact that Caucasian parents were listed differently on a birth certificate.

http://www.theobamafile.com/_images/HawaiiBirthCertificate.jpg

Are you so disillusioned that you just don’t realize that. Man, you conspiracy nuts are really confused.


Anonymous
Comment posted February 2, 2010 @ 3:11 pm

Sorry, but linking to yet another smear site is not evidence of anything but your poor taste in reading material.


Anonymous
Comment posted February 2, 2010 @ 3:12 pm

If you don’t want to read my replies, opt out of receiving comments. As for the President’s birth certificate, it was released over a year ago.


Anonymous
Comment posted February 2, 2010 @ 3:13 pm

The issue is irrelevant because the President is natural born.


Anonymous
Comment posted February 2, 2010 @ 3:14 pm

*pats the nice little birther on the head and sends off to bed with a cookie and a blankie*


Anonymous
Comment posted February 2, 2010 @ 3:15 pm

What bullshit? The President was natural born. The rest is a very stupid conspiracy theory.


Anonymous
Comment posted February 2, 2010 @ 3:15 pm

Sorry, but if I want $100,000 I’ll raid my Monopoly board.


Anonymous
Comment posted February 2, 2010 @ 3:16 pm

*yawns*


jayhg
Comment posted February 2, 2010 @ 11:59 am

FYI: my “what the hell” comment is directed to Michelle, just in case it gets too far away from her comment and folks wonder to whom I am speaking…………


Anonymous
Comment posted February 2, 2010 @ 5:19 pm

Epi, do you even know what the word “coveted” means? Anyway, I will address your Certificate of Live Birth “issue.” This is a legal document and the reason I believe it is legal is because the State of Hawaii says so. The State of Hawaii is not in on some grand conspiracy to help keep secrets for President Obama. This COLB, as you abbreviate it, is not taken from anything amended. All that is birfer speculation, guess work and hope. And finally, if this document is forged, then you have to PROVE that the State of Hawaii issued a forged document. And no fair trying to say that the state should give you some other document. THIS IS THE ONE IT HAS GIVEN YOU AND IF YOU WANT TO PROVE IT IS FORGED, GO AHEAD. You have to know that this $100,000 that you speak of would be GONE IN SECONDS if anyone had any PROOF that this COLB was a forged document. Again, epi……..give it up……or not. We’re still enjoying you.


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Anonymous
Comment posted February 4, 2010 @ 12:08 am

Well, if you had pointed that out, instead of ridiculing me, we wouldn’t have to go through a mile of thread would we? Please expand your vocabulary. You’ve used the word disillusioned like it’s the biggest word you ever knew. By the way, your post doesn’t make any sense. They provided a link to prove me wrong, yet agree with me about what they’re proving wrong? Are you retarded?

By the way, I’m confused because misinformation is all over the place. You know how many people have told me a longform birth certificate doesn’t exist, but where did the info come for that computer generated COLB come from?

I suspect you don’t care about the truth, and just enjoy trying to cut people down to build yourself up.


Anonymous
Comment posted February 4, 2010 @ 12:08 am

Well, if you had pointed that out, instead of ridiculing me, we wouldn’t have to go through a mile of thread would we? Please expand your vocabulary. You’ve used the word disillusioned like it’s the biggest word you ever knew. By the way, your post doesn’t make any sense. They provided a link to prove me wrong, yet agree with me about what they’re proving wrong? Are you retarded?

By the way, I’m confused because misinformation is all over the place. You know how many people have told me a longform birth certificate doesn’t exist, but where did the info come for that computer generated COLB come from?

I suspect you don’t care about the truth, and just enjoy trying to cut people down to build yourself up.


Anonymous
Comment posted February 4, 2010 @ 12:09 am

What? You don’t put faith in images on the internet? Well neither do I.


Anonymous
Comment posted February 4, 2010 @ 12:09 am

What? You don’t put faith in images on the internet? Well neither do I.


Anonymous
Comment posted February 4, 2010 @ 2:15 am

More lies and misinformation. Tell me, do you come up with this garbage yourself, or are you just parroting another useful idiot?

NO ONE released anything. Some of Obama’s supportive websites have posted online images of his CERTIFICATION of live birth. That is not a birth certificate, hence a serious absence of information. No hospital, no signatures, and even Obama won’t claim ownership of those images (plausible deniability). When that didn’t fool people, factcheck.org sent two college kids with no expertise on authenticating documents to take pictures of the actual paper. This is where it gets weird. I posted Ms. Nordyke’s CERTIFICATE of live birth on this thread, count the characters in that serial number, then count the one on Obama’s. You’ll notice it’s not the same amount of numerals. On top of that, the date of births and serial numbers conflict between the two documents. Is that supposed to ease the mind of a skeptic? This guy came from the most corrupt city we have when it comes to politics, so I should just take someone else’s (not even Obama’s) word for it? If you don’t think non-citizens can’t get on the presidential ballot, you might want to look at this.

In 2004, Róger Calero was the SWP candidate for President of the United States and received 3,689 votes,[5] with Arrin Hawkins running for Vice President. Because he is not a natural born citizen of the United States, Calero is ineligible to become U.S. president under the United States Constitution, and so James Harris, the Socialist Workers’ Party presidential candidate from 2000, stood in on the ticket in nine states where Calero could not be listed, receiving 7,102 additional votes.[6]

In 2006, Róger Calero appeared on the ballot in New York as the Socialist Workers Party candidate for US Senate. He received 5,127 votes [7].

Róger Calero again ran for President of the United States representing the SWP in the 2008 presidential election, together with Alyson Kennedy for vice-president.[1] Again, James Harris stood in for Calero in several states.[8] In the 2008 presidential election, Calero was on the ballot in five states, where he received 7,209 votes. Coupled with the 2,424 votes received in the five states where Harris was on the ballot.

5 states had someone on the ballot who is clearly not a natural born citizen, and that’s just the states Calero thought he could win votes in. I’m guessing Hawaii didn’t have enough electoral votes for him to pursue it. Third parties usually cannot afford to file their candidate in every state. Calero was on the ballot in more states than Alan Keyes, a natural born citizen. So, what are Hawaii’s requirements? Let me list them for you.

Filing Nomination Papers

Candidates must file nomination papers at the office of issuance. The deadline to file nomination papers is:

TUESDAY, JULY 20, 2010, 4:30 p.m.

All candidates are advised to file their nomination papers early. State law prohibits exceptions or extension to the filing deadlines.

When candidates file nomination papers, each partisan candidate must certify, by self-subscribing oath, that the person:

· will qualify for that office under the law;

· has determined that all of the information on the his/her nomination
papers, except for that provided by the voters who signed the
candidate’s nomination papers, is true and correct; and

· complies with the law relating to a final discharge for any felony
conviction. (HRS Section 831-2)

That’s right, self-subscribing oath. Not exactly watertight against fraud is it?

You can trust this government if you want, even though they can’t catch a Nigerian with a one way pass and no luggage trying to blow up an airplane. I don’t trust a government that madates massive airport security, but no border security. Can I interest you in a $500 hammer? Perhaps a $1200 toilet seat? You trust a government that represents the special interest groups and big business, unless it’s an election year? Can I interest you in some dehydrated water?


Anonymous
Comment posted February 4, 2010 @ 2:22 am

How do you know? Have you seen his birth certificate? Were you present at his birth?


Anonymous
Comment posted February 4, 2010 @ 2:22 am

How do you know? Have you seen his birth certificate? Were you present at his birth?


Anonymous
Comment posted February 4, 2010 @ 2:24 am

What bullshit? How about the claim he released his birth certificate? Did you read past the first sentence?


Anonymous
Comment posted February 4, 2010 @ 2:24 am

What bullshit? How about the claim he released his birth certificate? Did you read past the first sentence?


Anonymous
Comment posted February 4, 2010 @ 2:24 am

Well, if you’re not into money, can you send me all of yours?


Anonymous
Comment posted February 4, 2010 @ 2:24 am

Well, if you’re not into money, can you send me all of yours?


Anonymous
Comment posted February 4, 2010 @ 2:34 am

You certainly don’t understand the conditions of the $100,000 reward. They’re not asking someone to prove he’s not, they’re asking someone to prove he is. I can’t believe you would deny the existence of a document I’ve already posted here. Are you serious? The CERTIFICATION of live birth is a computer generated printout of information stored on the vault copy CERTIFICATE of live birth. Or perhaps you think this kind of typeface and computer imagery was used in 1961, making you retarded. Ask anyone who has a kid, there’s a lot of paperwork involved, and parents fill out all ofthe forms by hand. That’s why this useless, inadequate CERTIFICATION won’t satisfy me. No signatures, no hospital, no dice. Hawaii has stated they do not destroy original birth records, and no original birth records have been destroyed. You can’t have it both ways, if this COLB is genuine, there is a vault copy it was generated from.


Anonymous
Comment posted February 4, 2010 @ 2:34 am

You certainly don’t understand the conditions of the $100,000 reward. They’re not asking someone to prove he’s not, they’re asking someone to prove he is. I can’t believe you would deny the existence of a document I’ve already posted here. Are you serious? The CERTIFICATION of live birth is a computer generated printout of information stored on the vault copy CERTIFICATE of live birth. Or perhaps you think this kind of typeface and computer imagery was used in 1961, making you retarded. Ask anyone who has a kid, there’s a lot of paperwork involved, and parents fill out all ofthe forms by hand. That’s why this useless, inadequate CERTIFICATION won’t satisfy me. No signatures, no hospital, no dice. Hawaii has stated they do not destroy original birth records, and no original birth records have been destroyed. You can’t have it both ways, if this COLB is genuine, there is a vault copy it was generated from.


Anonymous
Comment posted February 4, 2010 @ 2:34 am

I’m still listening to your SHIT aren’t I?


Anonymous
Comment posted February 4, 2010 @ 2:34 am

I’m still listening to your SHIT aren’t I?


Anonymous
Comment posted February 4, 2010 @ 2:37 am

Where can I find video of any president other than Obama bowing to an emporer? You must’ve seen it to make claims like that, where is it? At least you’re not denying the pathetic bow to the Saudi King.

Seriously, where can I find these illusive videos?


Anonymous
Comment posted February 4, 2010 @ 2:37 am

Where can I find video of any president other than Obama bowing to an emporer? You must’ve seen it to make claims like that, where is it? At least you’re not denying the pathetic bow to the Saudi King.

Seriously, where can I find these illusive videos?


Anthony
Comment posted February 4, 2010 @ 5:45 am

here


Anthony
Comment posted February 4, 2010 @ 6:47 am

epidydimus wrote, in response to Anthony (unregistered):

Well, if you had pointed that out, instead of ridiculing me, we wouldn't have to go through a mile of thread would we? Please expand your vocabulary. You've used the word disillusioned like it's the biggest word you ever knew. By the way, your post doesn't make any sense. They provided a link to prove me wrong, yet agree with me about what they're proving wrong? Are you retarded?

By the way, I'm confused because misinformation is all over the place. You know how many people have told me a longform birth certificate doesn't exist, but where did the info come for that computer generated COLB come from?

I suspect you don't care about the truth, and just enjoy trying to cut people down to build yourself up.
(1..3)
Let me be very clear I absolutely care about the truth and nothing but the truth.

I see a birth certificate and I believe it is authentic, unless some creditable information comes that indicates that it is a forgery.

If a document has certificate or certification in its title, it means that it has been certified as being true and genuine by the agency that issued it. The certificate indicates that the issuing agency has verified that all the requirement has been met. Additionally, the certificate or certificate indicates on it what it is certifying.

It is always possible to check with the issuing office to ensure that the information on the certificate is correct. Usually, one or two people who require to verify the accuracy of the information contact the issuing office. Any decency that the agency notices during their inspection will result in a correction to the information, or more severe actions. This may result in legal proceedings against anyone who has broken the law. Falsifying birth records is against the law in all states in U.S. and will result in prison terms for those convicted of such crime.

There are people who attempt to argue on an “original birth certificate” or “long-form.” In relationship to birth certificates it is the State agency who is responsible for keeping birth records that issue birth certificate. It is that agency who keeps the original birth records, and they decides on the format that the birth certificate is issued in. This also includes the official title of the birth certificate. The State of Hawaii Department of Health issues documents call “Certification of Live Birth” as their birth certificates. The federal government is not responsible for issuing or maintaining birth records, and dependent on the correct agency in each state for this information.
..2


Anthony
Comment posted February 4, 2010 @ 6:48 am

epidydimus wrote, in response to Anthony (unregistered):

Well, if you had pointed that out, instead of ridiculing me, we wouldn't have to go through a mile of thread would we? Please expand your vocabulary. You've used the word disillusioned like it's the biggest word you ever knew. By the way, your post doesn't make any sense. They provided a link to prove me wrong, yet agree with me about what they're proving wrong? Are you retarded?

By the way, I'm confused because misinformation is all over the place. You know how many people have told me a longform birth certificate doesn't exist, but where did the info come for that computer generated COLB come from?

I suspect you don't care about the truth, and just enjoy trying to cut people down to build yourself up.
(2..3)
The use of the word “original” in your arguments are just a deception. Copy of birth records or birth certificates can get damage over time. They can get damaged by natural disasters. They can also be not a clear as the newer versions. They is nothing dishonest about a person asking the issuing agency to re-issue another copy of the birth records. As an administrative function state agencies responsible issue birth certificates keep the original birth records. However, for privacy reason and to prevent fraud the agencies keep the original records.

It the context you use “original” you try to make it seem as though nothing can ever happen the anything that an agency gives your. This includes library cards, bank cards, card passes, and the list goes on. Also, somethings just expire and the agency issues a new one.

You attempt to paint a picture of an unknown person seeking around America with a birth certificate that is surrounded with doubt. You attempt to make it seems that you are trying to let the local authority know about this travesty, but no one is listening. Unfortunately for you this is high profile. This was a man attempt to become president of America, and someone every America knows his face.

American authorities will always take swift action against those who commit crimes on American soil or during a time of war. Around April 15, American authorities deported John Demjanjuk to Germany for crimes he may of committed more that 65 years ago. America authorities arrest a 74-year-old grandmother on a 30 years outstanding warrant issued on April 1, 1980, after they did a check on her.

..3


Anthony
Comment posted February 4, 2010 @ 6:49 am

epidydimus wrote, in response to Anthony (unregistered):

Well, if you had pointed that out, instead of ridiculing me, we wouldn't have to go through a mile of thread would we? Please expand your vocabulary. You've used the word disillusioned like it's the biggest word you ever knew. By the way, your post doesn't make any sense. They provided a link to prove me wrong, yet agree with me about what they're proving wrong? Are you retarded?

By the way, I'm confused because misinformation is all over the place. You know how many people have told me a longform birth certificate doesn't exist, but where did the info come for that computer generated COLB come from?

I suspect you don't care about the truth, and just enjoy trying to cut people down to build yourself up.
(2..3)
The use of the word “original” in your arguments are just a deception. Copy of birth records or birth certificates can get damage over time. They can get damaged by natural disasters. They can also be not a clear as the newer versions. They is nothing dishonest about a person asking the issuing agency to re-issue another copy of the birth records. As an administrative function state agencies responsible issue birth certificates keep the original birth records. However, for privacy reason and to prevent fraud the agencies keep the original records.

It the context you use “original” you try to make it seem as though nothing can ever happen the anything that an agency gives your. This includes library cards, bank cards, card passes, and the list goes on. Also, somethings just expire and the agency issues a new one.

You attempt to paint a picture of an unknown person seeking around America with a birth certificate that is surrounded with doubt. You attempt to make it seems that you are trying to let the local authority know about this travesty, but no one is listening. Unfortunately for you this is high profile. This was a man attempt to become president of America, and someone every America knows his face.

American authorities will always take swift action against those who commit crimes on American soil or during a time of war. Around April 15, American authorities deported John Demjanjuk to Germany for crimes he may of committed more that 65 years ago. America authorities arrest a 74-year-old grandmother on a 30 years outstanding warrant issued on April 1, 1980, after they did a check on her.

(finished)


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted February 4, 2010 @ 11:17 am

http://historycoalition.org/2009/01/21/presiden…

The National Coalition for History (NCH) is a Washington, D.C.-based non-profit educational organization providing leadership in history-related advocacy, serving as the profession's national voice, and acting as a clearinghouse of news and information.

National Coalition for History, 400 A Street SE, Washington, DC 20003

Now go fuck yourself, pathetic, deranged asshole.


Anonymous
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So, you didn’t read the EOs huh?


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Ignoring stupidity doesn't make it go away


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Comment posted February 5, 2010 @ 9:36 am

Ignoring controversy doesn't make it go away. He did finally acknowledge it publicly yesterday, but didn't address it.


epidydimus
Comment posted February 5, 2010 @ 2:36 pm

Ignoring controversy doesn't make it go away. He did finally acknowledge it publicly yesterday, but didn't address it.


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