So Much for Dick Cheney’s Meme

Fox will continue to run Cheney and his lies as an arm of the extreme right wing does. Lies and the lying liars that tell them.

Yes, maybe Obama can invite these individuals over to the White House for a beer. That worked out so well for him before. Why is it this individual is not being charged as an enemy combatant? Now he has a lawyer and it is a sad state of affairs. Cheney is right, we have an incompetent in the White House.

Rather than blaming each other, I wish the political parties would make America first, not their respective party first.

YOu hit the Dick nail on the head. :-)

Cheney is a windbag remnant from a decade ruled by lies. Why should he change his tune when so many republicans want to continue to hear the same old line that has sustained their idiotic beliefs for so long?

Bush and Cheney. Take the 1st initial and we get B.C. That is where Bush and Cheney come from. Why does anyone even bother to report what Bush or Cheney say? They are yesterday's news. The country has moved beyond them. Why can't the media move on?

Your idea = single party system
which in turn = totalitarianism

Our bitching and bickering political parties are what allow our democracy to work, believe it or not.

And tell me Doc3, how did your cherished Cheney and Bush do with their 8 years in power? They brought this country into two wars with lies, they killed over 4000 of the US soldiers they profess to honor, and they were chicken hawks, refusing to serve themselves. Then they oversaw the destruction of our economy. And you have the nerve to call anyone incompetent. Yo've been into the KoolAid.

His best response when asked his opinion would be to plead the fifth amendment. When you're standing in a hole, quit digging, Mr. Cheney.

Some of you people will NEVER get it. What is it you don't understand about “they want to KILL us”.

No, compromise is what makes it work. The B and B are side affects. Slash and burn politics meant to stall any sign of progress under the other party's watch is doing more to hinder the country than anything the cold war opposition could produce. Totalitarianism is the dream of the hardliners.

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What part of “we know” and we're not afraid don't you get? Obama has said we're at war with AlQaeda. Cheney is a liar along with the rest of the fascist bastards at fox. Notice that's his only mouth piece? Would you recognise a red flag if you saw it?

Now that's not fair! Your charge of using lies to bring us into two wars totally ignores the economic cost of a) not raising the necessary money to pay for the wars, and b) cutting taxes so paying these costs would be impossible.

You expand 073165's true observation beyond recognition, then say the result is wrong.

A two party system will always bitch and bicker, as well as blame each other for any and all of society's ills. But it is not the disagreements that make our republic work, but our ability to set aside smaller goals to work for the success of the larger goals.

I do thank you for using the same tools as Cheney – twisting other people's ideas for their own gain.

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Hey Doc3, how is it that you and other ignorant citizens want to destroy America? It seems to me that the “real” patriotic Americans as you and others like you claim to be are digging the hole deeper & deeper for yourselves. Good. You keep digging. Hanging on to everything that got us here under your republican/cheney/bush fiasco is crazy…a sign of ignorance, fear and blatantly corrupt morals & egos. I guess ignorance is a badge of honor for you folks.

Why is Cheney still not in jail? Did you guys see the Frontline episode about the Ground Zero rescuers and their fight to get compensation for their lung problems after Bush/Cheney forced the EPA to lie about air quality at the site? This is not a democracy. No body “represents” your interests. Happy New Year.

The part I don't understand is “they”.

Who are “they”? Iraqis? No not until we went to war with them.
Afghans? Most are illiterate and couldn't touch us if they wanted to.
Bin Laden? Yes…so what exactly did Cheney/Bush do to get rid of Al-qaeda while they were so busy getting our soldiers killed in Iraq? As far as I can tell all they did was to create a new form of “Al-qaeda in Iraq” that didn't even exist before.

Cheney has unfortunately done more to hurt Americans than Bin Laden. It is tragic.

President Obama does that because he is ultimately under the power of something called the Constitution. It says that anyone that steps foot on this land's soil (illegal or not) has basic rights: rights to due process, a speedy public trial, amongst other things.
I understand that it seems rather weird to give an obvious terrorist these rights, but the Constitution can't just be ignored whenever we feel like it. It's the supreme law of this land and it's what makes this country (and its inhabitants) better than these extremist scum. So what Mr. Cheney wants to do is both unconstitutional and ultimately illegal.

We are no longer 'ignorant of the facts'. We judge Obama not on what he says but what he does if he does anything except party and vacation! More moronic talk by Obama and his III Reich style propaganda machine will be able to deceive us. As Obama promised, he will become very transparent. At least one promise he was unable to break!

Dick Cheney barks and everyone gives him a photo shoot and a moment to vent.

When Dick Cheney speaks he is deliberately avoiding truth and reason. Why would he be committing political suicide like this?

John,
Aren't chicken hawks an odd lot of spectators?
What did we, no, they get out of 911? They got oil to $150 a barrel While letting Goldman Sachs trade it 27 times before we paid the top price. They got to funnel our money to their buddies (them) in the private contract sector. A looting of the people never seen before. They got to bundle millions in cash, on a pallet and make it disappear. All because making people like Billy scared works.
They allowed and approved of an unregulated wall street that led to a looting of the people, from another sector of our government.
If I didn't know better, I'd say that these people/enemies of the middle class, WANTED and expected us to end up poor and destitute and put the bulk of our free flowing cash out of service. Any one that didn't see what just happened in recent history, isn't paying attention.

Cheney should follow Bush who replied when asked to comment on Obama thus “I think the president deserves my silence”. Being a president is not easy (especially when you have Cheney as a vicepresident), and I am sure that would have weighed on Bush when he made that statement.

No, sorry, the Constitution does not say that.
The Consitution's protections are clearly provided to the citizenry of the United States, not anyone who happens to be here, and especially not some enemies coming here to attack us.
Right from the first line: We the people of the United States…
We'd have never won World War II if the goal was to apprehend and try the pilots who bombed Pearl Harbor.
The extension of our constitutional rights to non-citizen visitors is a priviledge, earned by their respect for our laws and the mutual good will between friendly nations. It is not enshriined in the Constitution.
Hence, when the FBI caught German saboteurs in the US in WWII, after military tribunals, they were executed. Lawfully.

Is this the same John Brennan whose company was involved in cleansing Obama's passport file before the election?
http://www.blogacause.com/blogacause/blog/actan…

One of the employees that was cooperating with police was found shot too death in his car.

Cheney has not changed his modus operandi one iota. He is still trying to destroy this country just like has was when he was in power and very nearly succeeded. Thank God we have a true Patriot for Commander In Chief now, who is trying to fight the war with wisdom instead of doing more harm than good, as happened in the Bush/Cheney era. The sad thing is, not only does Obama have to defend us against foreign enemies, but the vast amount of domestic ones, from Dick Armey's teabaggers and conspiracy theorist racist radicals stockpiling weapons in bunkers, much of the GOP, Palin, the talking heads in the media like Jones, Beck and Limbaugh, to the former VP himself, who would love nothing more than to see this great country fall to its knees in order to further their own causes.

Swami, its not that clear. There is not anything in the constitution that limits the rights of the accused in the sixth amendment to just citizens. You're interpreting that because the constitution was written by “We the people”, that its provisions must only apply to citizens. You must be a huge fan of judicial interpretation?

Nicely said swami but not quite true…

Please look at Boumediene v. Bush. The SC ruled that certain parts of habeas rites apply to even enemy combatants…that may not even be in the US. (That case was originally aimed at Guantanamo Bay, but it's implications were quite powerful). This immediately kills the latter part of your argument, as well as some from the first part.

Re: the implications of to whom the Constitution applies to:
If you look at it from a strictly constitutional point of view, the Constitution does not apply to any American, non citizen, animal, alien, etc. It applies to the Federal Government. The Constitution tells the government what it cannot do, and how to go about doing the things that it has to do (ie elections).

Here's the technicality: the Constitution in no where states how there are any distinctions between the crimes of citizens vs the crimes of non citizens. In simple terms, this means that in the eyes of the Constitution, until a suspected terrorist is given an impartial trial, we do not know whether he is a terrorist…or if he is even a non citizen. Now this sounds really pretty stupid, but according to the way that the Constitution has been looked at so far by the Supreme Court, this is the current view.

Also: regarding the We the people argument… This was assumed to apply to everyone on US soil by the precedent set by Johnson vs Eisentragr (1950?). The case was regarding German Nazis being tried by US courts (can't recall exact details). The court stated that it was the aliens presence on territorial jurisdiction that gave the Judiciary the power to act. This basically meant that anyone on this soil would enjoy the basic rights set up by the Constitution.

Please don't think that I'm arguing with you Swami. I see what you mean by that last sentence, and agree with it, but I'm just going by the precedents set by the Supreme Court. The Constitution is such a complex document that its meaning changes with every case that the SC listens to–> Allows for a very open interpretation, but it's the SC's view that ultimately matters.

Apparently you are one of those ignorant morans supporters left over from the last administration. I wish you, Dick Cheney, and your kind would SHUT UP as you had 8 years to fix everything and all you did was leave behind a F_CKING MESS. Let me see….what legacy did they leave behind? Oh yea, a huge deficit from a war based upon false intel – let's not forget they didn't even succeed in stopping terrorism (yep, left it for the next administration to clean up!), cuddled large oil corporations in private meetings behind closed doors so they could continue to line their own pockets, couldn't even accept that global warning DOES exists even when scientists with MUCH MUCH more education told them so (again left that burden for the next administration and our younger generation to handle), then there's that whole recession thing where millions lost their jobs b/c of their own mismanagment of our government, and finally cost the average joe billions of dollars to rescue the banking and lending industry to keep us from going in to a full blown DEPRESSION! Yes, I would be proud of those idiots and their accomplishments if I was you!

Fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck

Guess what side I am on.

Cheney doesn't need to do anything to destroy this country, Obambi is doing a pretty good job of that without any help.

Obama is doing that all on his own.

Why aren't all of our politicians in jail?

I just love how you people can pass blame after the fact! LOL

President Obama is cleaning house as best he can. That was the worse mess ever left behind. You do realize you're in a Bush/Reaganomics depression, right? And that this is earth?

You are very delusional if you think for even a minute that any Politician CARES ABOUT YOU. You need to come down to earth and get your facts straight. Thank you to Clinton for housing deregulation and every liberal that thinks we should all be equal. You people are a complete joke and you are destroying this once great country little by little. Look at California, what a joke they are. As for the rest of the world liking us because of Obama, we are being laughed at more now. I don't even feel safe in this country anymore thanks to you Libs and your so called Political correctness, it will be the death of you for sure.

Clinton is a moderate republican that had a republican house and senate to contend with. Don't count! lol

You do NOT know your politics.

You don't know your politics! Clinton a moderate Republican? What a laugh and a joke! Good ole Clinton and Monica, what a great Prez he was, a good liar too.

This idea of sides is part of the problem. In America we think it convenient to think of things in terms of sporting events, with one team against another. The unfortunate thing we don't realize is that we are fighting amongst ourselves, when we should be working together.

Humans are a social species, one that could not have come as far as we did were it not the the help of other humans. Yet, in contemporary times, we are ignorant to this fact and choose instead to fight the very force that allowed us to rise to where we are.

If we want to advance further as a species, we need to start working together again.

Interesting…so only liberals think that everyone is equal? Funny, I thought that was in the Declaration of Independence, too. Maybe you're living in the wrong country, since you don't even agree with the ideas that the United States was founded on.

You are in the wrong country, you should be living in a communist country. All men are created equal but it is up to you to create your own wealth and not up to someone else to do it for you. Get a life and a brain!

I guess you confirmed the mental dwarfs Obama attracts. Say no more and stop breathing and breading to save our planet! Better jet, do what Obama does: Take a flight to Hawaii and goof off!

http://gloomanddoom.blogspot.com/2010/01/bushch…

Like I said. You're a sucker. One born every minute!

Actually, your the sucker. You are the one willing to give more of your check to the Government so they can live the high life and waste your money.

The Cheney brand of Republicans have a sick synergy with al Qaeda. They each need each other. Cheney Republicans need terrorists to scare Americans into doing un American things. al Qaeda needs Cheney Republicans to get America to do things that will inflame hatred around the world. Heaven forbid that Cheney Republicans return to power.

Ah I see you settled on name calling instead of justifying the previous administration decision making skills. Time for a reality check buddy when you can't even come back with an intelligent argument! Maybe you need to stop breathing and breading (or were you so inapt you couldn't spell breeding). Unlike you, I take my civil responsibilities seriously and have only one EDUCATED child….how about you? Maybe you are one that needs to take that jet to no where and stop breeding and breathing.

WOW !!! Think about it for just a moment folks. If past America was made up of left wing peace-nics like most of you spewing your swill—you would be speaking Japanese or German now. Deny that one!! Obviously most of you also speak from a very safe place behind your little keyboard in the safety of your little office. Have you ever wondered why you're so safe there??? Think about it. And I'm not afraid to say who “THEY” are.. Say the word Muslim !!! Say it 3 times and remember it well. That is who wants to kill you. You are the infidel and you must be eliminated. Wake up people–before it's too late. WTFU

http://www.newworldorderreport.com/Articles/tab…

This history lesson pretty much proves that I'm right about republicans and you're the sucker. If you don't read with an open mind, you lose. If you don't read at all and I'm pretty sure you won't, you lose.

But the sides have been built. Fox maintains the wall of division via their lies. We are past a point of return. We live in 3 americas. The wealthy, poor, right and left.

Um, Billy. They were made up of (R) & (L)s. When we are attacked, every one takes up arms to protect our nation. Just because you belong to the party of war monger profiteers doesn't give you the right to lie about us.
Do I wonder why I'm safe? Hell no! I wonder how and found out how we became a corporate fascist country. I can say muslim extremists. I can also say christian extremists.
Do YOU ever wonder why they hate us? It's because the wealthy war mongers want it that way. We should leave them alone and protect our borders, period.

Billy-
Don't forget that it was us that initially gave “them” the training and the weapons. Bin Laden was originally trained by the CIA. Do you deny that?

As long as people exist, they will always have differences with each other. This means that there will always be conflict. Now the US is a powerful country but that does not mean that we can start a god damned war with everyone that we don't like. We have to correct the root of the problem to solve these issues, and what war does is temporarily bandage up the enemy so that they will just take longer to come after us. See the good that 8 years of war in Iraq and Afghanistan have done?

Also to classify a whole class of people as being an enemy is beyond stupid- Not all Muslims are bad people. The problem is that a small amount of extremists idiots with guns that happen to be Muslim are the ones that make the most noise.

Kind of sounds like what's happening in this country right now. If a foreigner were to see the likes of your type (Billy) on the TV, they would by your logic think that all of America is filled with racist and mentally challenged idiots that gobble up whatever the hell they hear on the TV. Indeed, the actual people that make this country great would be covered up by all the noise that idiots like you make.

Isn't irony great?

What history lessons? Conspiracy theories? Those aren't history lessons, it's called propaganda. You have a closed mind and are one sided. I was a swing voter up until Obama was elected. I don't care for the man at all due to his lack of experience in Politics, we might have well put a dog in Office. I will no longer vote Democrat because I think our government had gotten to big and to out of control. The website link you sent is one sided, Micheal Moore is one sided, so is MSNBC, CBS and CNN, I use to watch these channels but I no longer do because they lean to far to the left that is as obvious as the nose on my face. Open your mind!

I am truly talking to a mental midget. The theories are proven true for one thing. CNN is hosted by a group of republicans. Media control has been proven:
http://www.projectcensored.org/censorship/corpo…
To support them is to be an enemy of the middle class. What you don't know far out weighs what you THINK you know. You are the epitome of what it means to be a sheep of fox not news. The true propaganda link to the shadow government you subscribe to. It is clear that you buy into their wealthy funded BS hook , line and sinker. Nothing you say can effect the knowledgeable. You're wasting your breath.

Because the Germans and The Japanese were Muslims? Or is Muslim the new “Commie Menace” that was going to end our freedoms in the 50's and 60's? And for the record you bloviating clown who is sitting behind his chicken hawk computer making fun of others doing the same, It was a Democrat that led us into WWII (yeah FDR and Truman were left wing peaceniks) But we know, you masturbatory fascination St. Ronnie's tactic of talking big game then negotiating and even selling arms to the MUSLIMS is a much better tactic. Clown. Read a book. Or better yet, just go away.

Because the Germans and The Japanese were Muslims? Or is Muslim the new “Commie Menace” that was going to end our freedoms in the 50's and 60's? And for the record you bloviating clown who is sitting behind his chicken hawk computer making fun of others doing the same, It was a Democrat that led us into WWII (yeah FDR and Truman were left wing peaceniks) But we know, you masturbatory fascination St. Ronnie's tactic of talking big game then negotiating and even selling arms to the MUSLIMS is a much better tactic. Clown. Read a book. Or better yet, just go away.

You are correct. It’s needless to drag up the past when we have Obama, the Bush on steroids! As of my education it is not what you expect, but let me assure you, my spelling is much better in my native tongue. Hint, ask 'Hampelmann' Obama why he doesn’t claim his German East Africa lineage, It might explain his strong bend to National Socialism you so much desire. I pray you enrolled your child first into Kindergarten and then into the Hitlerjugend. I don't know what the English terms are for those institutions. If not, Obama will give you another chance to serve the Fuehre after he delivers on the promise of the new National Civil Defense, the counter part of the SS. Please serve him and serve him well!

Wasn't Dick Cheney hiding in his bunker while President Bush declared “Mission Accomplished”? The Bush/Cheney regime created this mess. Instead of concentrating on Al Queda and their protectors, the Taliban, most of the war resources were directed at Iraq. Sadam Hussein viewed both as enemies, and would always come down hard whenever Al Queda or the Taliban attempted to establish a presence in Iraq. I assume that Cheney wanted his so-called “blind trust” investments in Halliburton to do well at the expense of our soldiers. Where is Halliburton based today? Halliburton moved its corporate headquarters from Houston to Dubai in the United Arab Emirates.

Put your left hand on your left ear and your right hand on your right ear and pull. There will be a loud, wet sucking sound that will by your head being removed from your ass.

The posts here do not speak well for our education system. The tripe about the Constitution is really stunning.

The individual that tried to blow up the plane should have been charged as an enemy combatant. There is precidence for that as far back as WW II and German spies that werer caught here. The posts about the rulings about habeas corpus have little relevance to this case.

You talk about corruption with the blatant corruption and Chicago style thuggery going on in DC?

You are morons and the current Statists in charge of our govenment will be thrown out of office in 2010 and 2012. Obama, done in one. Change you can count on.

Just so we are clear, never voted for Bush, he was a meat head. We have now more than doubled down on stupid.

Exactly what is a fascist bastard? I do not think you would recognize a fascist if they bit you in the ass. If you want to find one start looking at the Czar’s Obama has placed in his administration. Never has a finer group of communists, fascists, Marxists and Mutton Heads been assembled at one time.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/
The right is so f*cking screwed up!

The right is full of corporate fascists, moron. Why do you think we’re in a depression and the wealthy are on their yachts?

You know nothing of the fascism you just lived through. Spare me the fox spew. I can run circles around you on politics. F*ck off.

Muslim!
Muslim!
Muslim!
Wow, you're right, Bronco Billy: I AM frightened now!!

Muslim!
Muslim!
Muslim!
Wow, you're right, Bronco Billy: I AM frightened now—I just pissed my pants!!!
BTW, we won WW2 and i STILL speak German: go figure…

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And then you have people like my husband and myself who are well educated, have years of experience, and who are over 50, in my case. We cannot even get a job interview despite sending out thousands of resumes in the last two years. Most places do not even acknowledge the receipt of the resumes. I am disabled, so I am dependent on Social Security right now, and I understand that these benefits would be available if the GOP had not used the SS Trust fund as their personal piggy bank to support their wars and idiotic economic policies. Now they want the next generation to put their Social Security into the stock market!?! Their biggest problem is that no one is hiring these younger workers either.

so many problems.

FDR LED us into war? You mean a long standing victory, right? What does THAT have to do with this constant stick poking at the oil rich middle east? Apples and oranges, clown.

Truth!

Chicken sheep, peacnick doesn't mean we can't defend ourselves. Matter of fact, we can out smart guys like you with your narrow mind, all day, every day. Hell, I could probably kick your ass inside of 3 minutes. Stay home, shut up and move on.

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