Limbaugh at Birther Ground Zero

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[...] David Weigel at Washington Independent [...]

I guess that means Rush is Kenyan now. Ah. well.

[...] Ground Zero Thursday, December 31, 2009 11:08:07 AM · by PilotDave · 6 replies · 381+ views The Washington Independent ^ | 12/31/09 | David Weigel Nice catch by Andrea Nill — Queen’s Medical Center, where Rush [...]

I don't get it – are you saying the same thing happened with Rush as with Obama? Did the original AP article get the hospital wrong? (Originally the story came out as Rush is at Kapiolani and now they corrected it to say Rush is at Queens?) Is the AP saying he is at both hospitals? (You know, like there is reports all over the Internet about how he was born at both hospitals).

I think you are trying to make something out of nothing, trying to use some sort of Alinksy attack and correlate it to Rush being in Hawaii and it having something to do with the birthers. Try again.

Did Limbaugh show his birth certificate when he was admitted to the Hospital? I heard he was rushed to the hospital in Hawaii and before I read which one I was thinking how ironic to be in the same Hospital where the President was born. The President can now crush Limbaugh with the very document at ground zero his birth certificate. Oh, I know he would not do this even if he could due to the fact that the evil Republican Govenor has sealed the record on that one. Aint life Grand.

The original UPI story (you're obviously reading very closely) got Obama's hospital of birth wrong. This was founding evidence for the “birther” movement… which Limbaugh indulged. And now he's at that hospital. That's all.

It's only a matter of time till the Birtherz manage to come up with a theory that Rush is secretly faking all of this so that he can get inside the system in Hawaii and burst forth holding the “real” birth certificate. Which will of course show that Obama is the child of Malcolm X and Jimmy Carter. And for a brief period in 1970 he was at a summer camp run by Raoul Castro and Hugo Chavez.

My guess is that Rush had the heart attack after seeing the movie Avatar…

LOL!

I guess the drug-addled poster boy for pain meds will be checking himself in the mirror to see if his tan starts getting TOO dark!

I heard Norm Woodruff came into ER and jump started him with his mouth. What a fag. LOL

Barack Obama is an illegal-alien & had no business even running for president.

Hey, chrisjay,

Look who just showed up……..

Alphabet boy,

Give it up, you're old news. In about 9 hours PST, last years' news.

Obama is unfit for everything except feeding people BS they can believe in. :-)

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Hopefully, the hospital keeps its drugs under lock and key.

No, that would be Limbaugh.

And you're a sockpuppet and have no business posting under so many handles.

You know, the sort of paranoid maniac who'd post something like this really should be medicated.

Make sure that you & Orly (I think you're the last 2 Birfers) convince the Repub candidate in 2012 that your asinine obsession is REALLY important to talk about ALL thru the campaign
LOL

Barack Obama’s Selective Service registration card and accompanying documents show that questions about him are not only NOT over, but if the signature on the document is in fact his, our Commander-in-Chief may have committed a federal crime in 2008, well within the statute of limitations on the matter. If it is not his, then it’s proof positive that our next Commander-in-Chief never registered with the Selective Service as required by law. By law, he was required to register and was legally able to do so until the age of 26.
But the Selective Service System registration (”SSS Form 1″) and accompanying computer print-out (”SSS Print-out), below, released by the Selective Service show the oddities and irregularities, all of which indicate the document was created in 2008 and backdated.

Yet another pointless cut and paste job from Gunny Red of the Two Dozen Names. Should we call him “Sybil” because he uses so many handles?

Red is never lonely when he calls on his legion of “friends” to come & blog with him. I wonder if they are named after his Beanie-babies…

Think about it! All Obama must do is release the Birth Certificate he mentions “looking at” on page 26 of “Dreams of My Father” and his college records and that will be the end of it all. The BC will either prove he was natural-born in Hawaii or he wasn't. The college records will say which name and which citizenship he used in college. Everything will then be covered and Obama can get back to being president or he will have to resign.
God Bless Dr. Orly Taitz!

Nothing like that needs to happen, Obama's in the WH as the legally elected President. It is up to you to prove he wasn't born in Hawaii. Good luck on that, and make sure your paranoia meds are up-to-date.

Well, considering all the fiction writing s/he's been doing, best not use just one name. Since the story never changes.

God bless Orly, indeed!
She is a precious godhead in the wingnut goddess trinity: Palin, Bachmann and Orly.
As long as these three loons are storming the beach-head for the right, I can sleep soundly at night knowing that their ideology can never be taken seriously by free-thinking, intelligent adults.

Yes, God Bless Oily Taintz. A gift that keeps on giving….

I tend to believe that Red also used several different names to post just so that he can give some ratings to the other posts and make it appear that there are more birthtards here than there really are.

I have to produce proof of citizenship in order to work in this country. I am a natural born citizen and I have no problem proving it. If Obama was born in Hawaii then produce the proof just like the rest of us have to do. If he is not gulty of doing anything illegal then produce the college documents it is really that simple. Any other citizen would simply produce the documents!!!!!!!!!!

Hello David Weigel,

I see you keep repeating half-truths. Trying to confuse those reading your articles?

You could have written that Obama's sister also mentioned Queens hospital as a place of birth in an interview (in 2004). It is not just UPI who got the story “wrong”. Snopes.com also reported Queens hospital as Obama's birthplace.

I find it interesting that in the midst of eligibility questions and lawsuits it took Obama (6 months) until the end of January 2009 (after being sworn in) to send a letter to Kapiolani and claim it as his birthplace.

Is there any other source that mentions Kapiolani Hospital as Obama's birthplace prior to January 2009?

When are you going to publish the interview with Janice Okubo? She could confirm if DoH issued COLB to Obama on June 6, 2007.

How about Obama's sister and her interview in 2004? It is interesting that she also got the hospital “wrong”.
http://www.theobamafile.com/_images/ObamaBornQu…

How about Honolulu Advertiser story about Obama being foreign born (this was mentioned in the article (January 8, 2006) about Tammy Duckworth, while she was campaigning for US Congress seat in Illinois.

The archived version of the story has been modified by Honolulu Advertiser in July 2009: the current (scrubbed) version does not mention Obama's foreign birth.

When are you going to ask a law professor to answer your questions about natural born citizenship? When are you going to learn proper English? When are you going to stop asking the same stupid questions over and over again? When are you going to admit that you are wrong? When are you going to stop parroting the words of Orly Taitz and Phil Berg?

He already did, years ago, when he got his first paid job.

Have you settled on RedGraham as your handle, or are you going to come up with something new, “Alfa Bett Bois”?

But as with any citizen every time you get a NEW JOB you have to prove you are a LEGAL citizen he just needs to produce the documents like you or I would have to it is just that simple

When he produces the documents it is that simple. If he produces them and satisfy's the court then we will shut up

He already produced the only one that counts over a year ago. Since not a single birth lawsuit has survived the court system, nor is any likely to do so, your ungrammatical demand is doomed to fail.

The birth certificate he produced last year is valid for such purposes, like the equivalent that I have from the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania.

You write an awful lot like Naturalizedcitizen, down to the bad grammar and misspellings. Could it be that we have yet another sockpuppet on our hands, ladies and gentlemen?

I will take the ESL class when Obama shows his original birth certificate, which would prove me wrong. Until then we can only speculate about his birthplace.

If you are responding to my post it would be nice if you addressed at least one question, instead of diverting the topic.

He produced an image of a COLB and posted it on a friendly web page – not even DoH is willing to confirm that they issued such document to Obama on June 6, 2007.

You are wrong as usual: what happened to your claim that Orly had been posting on this blog using the “naturalizedcitizen” alias?

But, they ARE willing to unequivocally state that he was born there, which is the important fact. And no law in the land requires them to respond to every outrageous theory and outlandish request you can come up with in your imagination. Now, when are you going after congress…since they're the only ones that can remove a sitting President.

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The country is under a sheet of ice and of course we need to forget about nuclear energy stop produceing everything. import steel from china to repair the golden gate bridge make sure our college grads study social science and make sure that absolutely no one can fabricate anything of substance ( lies excluded). listen to loud annoying music with no rest points follow the visionaries over the nearest cliff pay no regard to even simple historical facts as our commander in chief has spoken and declared that the time for talking is over. I am curious how much longer we will even be permitted to listen.

Quick! Someone call Emmy winner and master thespian William Shatner! This is better than Sarah Palin's farewell address!

Already shown, last summer. As for your mewlings, I and many others have responded to every single point you've raised and rebutted them. You are wrong, nothing you have said has changed that, and you will continue to be wrong.

Wrong, you simpering ignoramus.

As our dear friend RedGraham/BillyBob/KitKat/Palin4Prez/Keyes4Prez/HRCin2012/etc etc etc has proven, there is nothing stopping anyone from posting under multiple names. Since you write like this Ricksteenbock person and claim to be a naturalized citizen like this Ricksteenbock person, and since both of you recycle the same tired, rebutted arguments put forward by America's least competent attorney and favorite adulteress, Orly Taitz, it's hard for me not to conclude that the three of you are, shall we say, intimately acquainted.

If this is not true, please prove it by providing photographic evidence of your birth certificate and naturalization papers. Since you're such a fanatic for paperwork you surely must have them at your fingertips. Otherwise, I'll be forced to conclude that you are indeed Orly Taitz, and are too much of a coward to say so.

Come on. Put your money where your mouth is. Where's YOUR birth certificate?

Why on earth would anyone of us want you idiots to shut up? You're WAY too entertaining.

I never seen anyone so shit all stupid as you. You musta got manure for brains.

I know I don't have to provide my BC everytime I apply for a job. A drivers license and Social Security Card suffice. You birthtards have to be the stupidest people in the entire world. The FBI does an extensive background check on a presidential candidate before they can run. What idiots!

I'd be certain to write that if it is more than one person, they're all Orly's flying monkeys. She put a post on her blog to get the message spread through these comment sections of these blogs.

Orly believes that what happened to Rush was a “Neuro Magnetic Attack” and that Obama is using a weapon that does this to cause his enemies to have heart attacks. Orly believes that she is next.

I know you're not serious, but Orly is such a nut that I almost believed it for a minute.

Or, why we're beginning the New Year with a plague of birthers.

How on earth can anyone be confused by reading Mr. Weigel's articles? You're the one with the problem. Would you prefer that he switch to an Orly type of writing? Where he only write lies? Maybe you would like to read something from Alice in Wonderland but I prefer to know what's happening with the conservatives these days that will ultimately destroy the GOP.

Actually, I believe the courts are already satisfied. You people are just beyond stupid.

Actually, you just need to visit her website. Or visit Miss Daisy's blog. She really believes that Obama has a weapon that can cause heart attacks.

Those “old tired arguments” have not been rebuffed – that is the whole point. The DoH could do it if they answered the few simple questions – yet they are silent about it.

If Obama releases the original birth certificate proving his birth in the Kapiolani Hospital, I will post my birth certificate as well (I doubt that anybody cares about it).

If you have evidence that anyone has committed a crime, you are required to report that crime to the relevant authorities, and provide them with any evidence in your posession. So do that.

How can we verify that they are saying the truth? Show us the proof. They are not willing to issue a trivial confirmation that DoH issued Obama's COLB.

This must be an outlandish request, LOL!

When did DoH confirm that they issued a COLB to Obama on June 6, 2007?

The statement is and was proof. End of case.

You can blame the DoH for your stupidity.

They are telling the truth until you prove they are lying…that's the law. Now, what about congress?

Oh, for heaven's sake. Who does she think is the head of his Secret Service detail, Uma Thurman?

Sorry, babe, but the word you're looking for is “rebut,” not “rebuff.” Once again, your lack of English skills is causing you to mistake definition for connotation, thus causing you to make mistakes that would make a seven year old blush.

The Hawaii law also says that DoH must release certain government documents to public upon request. Why are they violating the state law and keeping the information secret?

We have to ignore the common sense and accept deceptive words from Dr.Fukino as a gospel. Is that your suggestion?

Did you follow the same suggestion when Bush and Chenney spoke in the past. Did you take their word as the truth that should not be questioned/verified?

I think he's listening to the voices in his Rice Krispies.

Rick Steenbock is my real name I don't hide behind some nickname and I can produce my documentation and would gladly do so especially if the American people were going to pay me 200k per year and provide security for me and my family for the rest of my life. Also I am not a birther I am a concerned American. Is it just too much to ask for college records and proof of birthplace??

The HEAD of the Department of Health PERSONALLY confirmed the the President was born in Hawaii last year, as you well know. All your attempts at close analysis and wiggling will not change that, or the fact that the President was born in Hawaii, is natural born, and is still President no matter how much you whine about it.

Speak for yourself. *I* have no trouble with any statement made by the Hawaiian authorities confirming that the President was born in Hawaii. *You* are the one with the problem.

And around and around and around we go, where it stops only Orly knows….

And speaking of which, where's the proof that NC and her dear friend Ricky aren't Orly Taitz in a clever cyberspace disguise? Huh? Where is it, NC? What's your problem? Chicken?

First, the President makes $400,000, not $200,000, plus non-taxable travel and entertainment budgets.

Second, neither the President nor his family receive “security for life.” The law was changed to ten years after the end of the President's term of office.

Third, you most certainly are a birther, since a good and loyal American would treat President Obama just like any of his 43 white predecessors and accept him as a natural born citizen, sans college records, kindergarten pictures, etc.

Fourth, unless and until you provide written proof of your identity, the similarities in writing style and misuse of the English language are close enough to that of Naturalizedcitizen (who may or may not be Orly Taitz) that in the absence of such written proof, I have no choice but to regard you as one of NC's sockpuppets.

Fifth, you are wrong about the President.

Weigel is not telling the whole story. His bias is very obvious.

Read my previous post and tell me why an independent journalist would not ask those questions if the goal was to inform the public about the eligibility issue.

Instead he is ridiculing those not touting the (Obama) party line.

The SECRETARY of STATE (Colin Powell) PERSONALLY confirmed that Iraq had mobile WMDs ready for quick deployment. Did he say the truth or a lie based on a document presented to him?

What documents did Dr. Fukino use as a source for her second press-release? It should be trivial to answer these questions.

The refusal to confirm that DoH issued a COLB to Obama on June 6, 2007 tells me that something is not right with his birth records.

Language policewoman is not on duty when it comes to posts by Obots, LOL.

The FORMER Secretary of State has nothing to do with this.

Where's YOUR birth certificate, chickie? Prove you aren't that incompetent liar, Orly Taitz.

And oh, sixth –

A real Netherlander would spell his name “Rik,” not “Rick.” Sorry, Orly/NC/whomever, but you lose again.

Sorry, but once again your lack of English comprehension trips you up, Orly/NC/Rick/whomever. A native speaker would have seen that I was mocking “curtthomas” based on his insane content, as indicated by his atrocious grammar and spelling.

Once again, you lose. And before you start whining about how meeean I’m being by calling you “Orly,” kindly prove that you aren’t Orly Taitz. I ask for nothing more than a copy of your birth certificate. It’s nothing more than what you’re asking of the President: proof that you are who claim to be be. If it’s acceptable for you to demand this from him, then it’s acceptable for me to ask the same from you.

Why ask questions that have no reason?

I wondered when the racial accusation would come out. As always any disagreement becomes a racial matter. Get over him being black I don't care it doesn't excuse his lack of transparency. Also I know how to spell my own name google me and you will see. know it all

I bet you drive an import vehicle too. Just another Unamerican exploiting freedom of speech while tearing apart the american economy

Thank you for confirming my suspicions, NC.

Actually, my car was made in the United States. Sorry to disappoint you, NC/Rick/whatever.

Also, your capitalization is wrong for “American, and you misspelled “un-American.” Interesting, that you claim to love America so much but can't be bothered to use correct English….

Sorry I am not an English major I am just a person who works every day to support you liberals. also your Toyota or Honda whichever IMPORT you drive probably came from Japan I doubt you have researched your particular car to see it's history and all of the profits from the original sale of that IMPORT went into JAPANESE banks

Where did the profits from the sale of your -made in America Car come from? And why can't you have a conversation without putting down someone?
And by the way most Toyota's and Honda's are still imported from Japan I doubt you have looked up the history of your IMPORT

The profits from my car went to the American owners of the used car lot, with financing from the American-owned and operated bank, and a down payment I, a taxpaying seventh generation American, earned through my own hard work. I have never earned more than $30,000 in my entire life, and I very much resent being told that I hate the country that my family has fought and bled for since 1750 because I refuse to believe in a crackbrained conspiracy theory no better than the lunatics who refuse to believe that the Earth is round.

What does any of this have to do with the President's eligibility for office?

John Charlton: The Supreme Court case which will void the entire Obama presidency…
Nov. 25, 2009)— It is often asked whether the usurpation of the presidency by Barack Hussein Obama will ever have a remedy in the courts. But the fact is that there already is a remedy in the courts: the ruling of the Supreme Court of the United States in Marbury v. Madison, 5 U.S. 1 Cranch 137 137 (1803).
That case was the first to expressly indicate that no action of Congress was valid if it contravened the Constitution. Since the U.S. Constitution requires that a President be a natural born citizen; and since the Supreme Court has in 4 cases used the term “natural born citizen” only in reference to one born in the U.S.A. of parents who were citizens at the time of his birth, it follows inexorably that Obama’s election as president by the Joint Session of Congress, on January 8, 2009, is null and void. Against this legal conclusion there is no argument.

There is an extremely good argument against this, O Person With A Thousand Handles:

The President was born in Hawaii and is thus a natural born citizen, so there is no Constitutional conflict.

If you truly work all day to support me, please explain why it is that I haul myself out of bed every morning at 6:30, drive half an hour to my job, and work until 6:00 every evening to receive my paycheck every two weeks.

You asked what this has to do with the presidents eligibilty! Well what does my grammar have to do with this discussion? I have not bought into any theory I merely think it is a valid question and simple to answer If I were in his position and had nothing to hide I would simply produce the documents. And by the way why would you brag about only making 30k per year? and what does that have to do with this discussion?

30k you said thats whyLol

Rush Limbaugh was caught with someone else's prescription for viagra while “vacationing” in the Dominican Republic, well known for pedophilic homosexual prostitution of young boys. Why else would Rush hide his Viagra prescription? How much you want to bet that Rush selected a young black boy that looked most like Obama to demonstrate his Ted Haggard Family Values? I give 1000 to 1 odds, my thousand bucks to your one dollar. I will wait until you birthers receive your welfare check on the 15th before placing bets, before you spend it on meth, or as you birthers call it, Ted Haggard Family Values Love Potion.

You have got to be kidding me about this

http://www.sphere.com/nation/article/president-…

People wondered about Bush but even he didn't do something this stupid we must look like idiots to the rest of the world

NC: “We have to ignore the common sense and accept deceptive words from Dr.Fukino as a gospel. Is that your suggestion? “

No, we do have to follow the law. You have to prove the statement was false, your opinion doesn't count. Or, do you say that the constitution is a worthless piece of paper also?

I have gotten a passport, a driver's license, and several jobs using my short form birth certificate provided to me by the state I was born in. Why should the president have to produce more proof of his identity than anyone else?

Obama, who just had announced that “no information can be kept private indefinitely, still hasn't released:
His REAL social security number (he has several)
ANY of his school records
A certificate of live birth.

In addition, a record of his grandmother stating that he was “born in Kenya” is readily available on the web. Is his Grandmother lying?

Why is he making all government records available, but NONE of his own? And why is NOBODY in the media curious about this?

His grandmother said he was born in Hawaii…that makes the rest of your statement one big BS.

He's also being disingenuous. Based on a little judicious research, I have learned that our Mr. Steenbock (who, alas, is not Orly Taitz, and I apologize for thinking that he might be) is 48 or 29, about a year longer than I am. He has owned his own business for the past two years, or since 2007-2008. Not only that, prior to that he worked for the same company for over 28 years, or since 1980-1981.

That means that our worthy Mr. Steenbock *has never had to produce papers proving his right to work in the United States.” His longest-term (and probably first) job, obtained when he was just a few years out of high school, started before the laws requiring that job candidates show a passport, birth certificate, driver's license, or Social Security card upon beginning a job, and since he currently works for himself, he may or may not have had to produce any proof of the right to work in this country before starting up.

Best of all, our new friend owns a Chevy dealership…which means that unless there is something very wrong with his cars (not likely, since Chevys have improved dramatically over the past decade), he probably saw a big upswing in his business during the Cash for Clunkers program instituted by the very same President he now wishes to see removed from office because Orly Taitz thinks he's not a natural born citizenship.

I wonder if the irony has occurred to him?

Two things:

First, you don't have to be a citizen to work in this country. You only have to produce papers showing that you have the right to work here. That includes guest workers, people here on a “worker with special skills/talents” visa, or legal residents who have a green card but have not yet obtained citizenship.

Second, I took up your invitation below and Googled your name. If you are the same Rick Steenbock who owns a car dealership, it's quite likely that you've never had to bother with producing right-to-work papers. Your first job started before employers had to start checking for same, around 1989-1990, and you currently work for yourself.

Five minutes on Google and I was able to confirm that you are indeed Rick Steenbock and not Orly Taitz (or, presumably, a naturalized citizen). I apologize for the confusion.

Did you make a lot of sales during Cash for Clunkers? Or are you waiting for the Volt to come out next year?

Correction:

Mr. Steenbock is not Orly Taitz or a naturalized citizen. Whether he has written here as “naturalizedcitizen” is unknown, but doubtful. Sorry about the mistake.

Sir, you questioned my patriotism and implied that because I am a liberal I somehow live off the fruits of your labor. That is not true, and I brought up my income because I was insulted by the implication that my refusal to buy into the birther conspiracy makes me a parasite.

If you don’t like that, apologize.

And why should I be ashamed of that? I have enough for my needs, and I don’t need a government bailout like Cash for Clunkers to keep my business going.

Honey, if you cannot connect the simple dots between Powell and Fukino, this discussion is above your pay grade.

Why is it that DoH does not have to follow the law? You are conveniently ignoring their behavior.

Obama has trashed the Constitution and you are still oblivious to the fact.

You come across as a person who is jealous of Orly.

How many years are you long, LOL?

Yes I am that Rick Steenbock who after graduating highe school only went to work at a dealership washing cars and worked my way up after 28 years to owning my own company. In order to own a franchise I had to pass multiple qualifications and extensive background checks I did not have the privliedge of saying I don't want to produce those documents I had to produce proof or no franchise why in the world should you be able to be president and not do the same

“His REAL social security number (he has several)”

Is that so? List them.

“In addition, a record of his grandmother stating that he was “born in Kenya” is readily available on the web. Is his Grandmother lying?”

No, his grandmother isn't lying. But you're lying about what she said. If you're so confident she claimed Obama was “born in Kenya,” show us the transcript.

In the previous post you said something different about his first job:
” Not only that, prior to that he worked for the same company for over 28 years, or since 1980-1981″

In this post, different year was mentioned:
“Your first job started before employers had to start checking for same, around 1989-1990, and you currently work for yourself.”

You have problems with simple calculation. Try using your fingers when doing subtraction, go easy on your brain – don't overload it, LOL!

“since the Supreme Court has in 4 cases used the term “natural born citizen” only in reference to one born in the U.S.A. of parents who were citizens at the time of his birth”

Back up your claim.

You have never proven Hawaii has broken the law. If you believe they have, take them to court. Of course, you won't, because you know they haven't. Your opinion is just that, your opinion. Obama is our legally elected President.

cash for clunkers was a poorly thought out program that benefitted dealers for only a month it also took out good affordable used vehicles and sent them to the scrapper which means hard working lower income families have to pay more for a car. The government needs to work on putting people back to work in this country and the need for such programs will go away

“You could have written that Obama's sister also mentioned Queens hospital as a place of birth in an interview (in 2004).”

That's your story. Now here's how Maya Soetero tells it:

“I assure you that my brother was born at the Kapiolani Women's and Children's Hospital in Honolulu, Hawaii, on Punahou Street, a few blocks up from where our grandparents helped to raise him. Now I have been used, actually, in this campaign to set my brother up as 'The Other.' When my brother became a senator, I had a student, who was perhaps 15 or 16 years old, at the University of Hawaii Laboratory School. It's the adjoining high school. He interviewed me because it was pretty cool that a local boy had become a U.S. senator. That was a big deal. And so I said, yes, it is, it's wonderful. I said, 'and he was born just up the road at Kapiolani Women's and Children's.' Bennett, who is the wonderful young man, I guess made a mistake and said that he was born at Queens, which is also just up the road – perhaps journalistic standards being what they are for 15 year-olds, understandably. And so I have been placed on hundreds of blogs saying that I have named two different places where my brother was born. And this is all based on a high school newspaper. It's viewed as proof that we are part of this vast conspiracy.”

http://wamu.org/audio/dr/09/12/r2091201-28914.asx

“Is there any other source that mentions Kapiolani Hospital as Obama's birthplace prior to January 2009?”

And my question to you: is there any original source, other than the high school newspaper, that claims that Obama was born at Queens?

“When are you going to publish the interview with Janice Okubo? She could confirm if DoH issued COLB to Obama on June 6, 2007.”

She can't, as the DoH has made crystal clear. (Please re-read http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/obama.html.)

Perhaps you get some rise out of asking the question, or perhaps you think that by annoying people they will break the law to satisfy your needs.

“He produced an image of a COLB and posted it on a friendly web page – not even DoH is willing to confirm that they issued such document to Obama on June 6, 2007.”

You pretend that the DoH is running away from the issue of Obama's COLB. In fact, the DoH specifically states on its website:

“State law prohibits the DOH for disclosing any information about a Hawaii vital record unless the requestor has a direct and tangible interest in the record. This includes verification of vital records and all the information contained in a record.”

You may fool some people by pretending the above quote doesn't exist, but you aren't fooling me.

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apology from me I repeatedly tried to have an intelligent debate and got only
insults

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Actually I just turned 50 last week

Sorry, but my late mother raised me to believe that no one but a whore would wear so much eye makeup in public.

Hawaii Department of Health website:

“State law prohibits the DOH for disclosing any information about a Hawaii vital record unless the requestor has a direct and tangible interest in the record. This includes verification of vital records and all the information contained in a record.”

http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/obama.html

Hawaii Department of Health website:

“State law prohibits the DOH for disclosing any information about a Hawaii vital record unless the requestor has a direct and tangible interest in the record. This includes verification of vital records and all the information contained in a record.”

http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/obama.html

Hawaii Department of Health website:

“State law prohibits the DOH for disclosing any information about a Hawaii vital record unless the requestor has a direct and tangible interest in the record. This includes verification of vital records and all the information contained in a record.”

http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/obama.html

Hawaii Department of Health website:

“State law prohibits the DOH for disclosing any information about a Hawaii vital record unless the requestor has a direct and tangible interest in the record. This includes verification of vital records and all the information contained in a record.”

http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/obama.html

I applaud your work ethic. Clearly you have the intelligence and the drive to succeed.

Hawaii Department of Health website:

“State law prohibits the DOH for disclosing any information about a Hawaii vital record unless the requestor has a direct and tangible interest in the record. This includes verification of vital records and all the information contained in a record.”

http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/obama.html

what do you think of this?
http://www.sphere.com/nation/article/president-obama-appoints-amanda-simpson
-a-transgender-woman-to-commerce-post/19302032?sms_ss=email

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Two things:

First, you don’t have to be a citizen to work in this country. You only
have to produce papers showing that you have the right to work here. That
includes guest workers, people here on a “worker with special
skills/talents” visa, or legal residents who have a green card but have not yet obtained
citizenship.

Second, I took up your invitation below and Googled your name. If you are
the same Rick Steenbock who owns a car dealership, it’s quite likely that
you’ve never had to bother with producing right-to-work papers. Your first
job started before employers had to start checking for same, around
1989-1990, and you currently work for yourself.

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Sorry, but I have way too much to do to join the Fighting Tinfoil Hat Brigade.

what do you tnink of this?
http://www.sphere.com/nation/article/president-obama-appoints-amanda-simpson
-a-transgender-woman-to-commerce-post/19302032?sms_ss=email

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Sir, you questioned my patriotism and implied that because I am a liberal
I somehow live off the fruits of your labor. That is not true, and I
brought up my income because I was insulted by the implication that my refusal
to buy into the birther conspiracy makes me a parasite.

If you don’t like that, apologize.

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Longer than you will ever know.

Where’s your birth certificate?

No, I didn’t. I said that Mr. Steenbock started his job about 1980 or so. Employers were not required to ask for proof of citizenship or working papers until about ten years later. That you couldn’t figure that out once again proves that you can’t read English very well.

So a transgendered person is working for the Commerce Department. So what? Would you rather that the individual in question starve in a ditch? I thought you, who boast of your work ethic, would be in favor of someone working hard and landing a high level job.

YFirst, I don’t know why you keep posting something about a transgendered person working for the Commerce Department. If the individual is qualified for the job, so what? I can’t imagine why that would concern you.

Second, all I have to go by when judging your intelligence is your writing on this blog, and on the car site I found when I Googled your name. In both cases your posts were all but unreadable because of your atrocious punctuation. Not only that, you’re defending a conspiracy theory that ranks right up there with faked moon landings for sheer idiocy. What am I supposed to do, assume you belong to Mensa when you can’t even write a simple paragraph?

Wrong on all counts. Go away, troll.

I question the mental ability of such a person and the message it sends to
our young people I have three daughters and i encourage them to be strong
girls-women clearly this did not happen in this confused young mans life

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ellid wrote, in response to ricksteenbock:

So a transgendered person is working for the Commerce Department. So
what? Would you rather that the individual in question starve in a ditch? I
thought you, who boast of your work ethic, would be in favor of someone
working hard and landing a high level job.

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Um, Rick? I hate to tell you this, but most of the industrialized world is *way* ahead of America when comes to the rights of transgendered and gay persons. As long as Amanda Simpson is qualified to do the job, I don't see why you're having a hissy fit.

If I were a transgendered Hispanic who couldn’t translate my thoughts into
English you would not have responded the same way I guess I apologize if I
offend you by my run on sentences and lack of punctuation but as you
suggested with your transgendered friend it does not make me incapable of an
intelligent conversation as for my IQ I am not Einstein but I can surely hold
my own. Lastly I support no conspiracy theory I only have questioned why the
man will not be transparent like he wants the rest of the country to be.
Oh and you misspelled First

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YFirst, I don’t know why you keep posting something about a transgendered
person working for the Commerce Department. If the individual is qualified
for the job, so what? I can’t imagine why that would concern you.

Second, all I have to go by when judging your intelligence is your writing
on this blog, and on the car site I found when I Googled your name. In
both cases your posts were all but unreadable because of your atrocious
punctuation. Not only that, you’re defending a conspiracy theory that ranks
right up there with faked moon landings for sheer idiocy. What am I supposed
to do, assume you belong to Mensa when you can’t even write a simple
paragraph?

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I didn't say I was having a hissy fit I just think it is not natural. As
for the rest of the world let the transgendered live there

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Um, Rick? I hate to tell you this, but most of the industrialized world
is *way* ahead of America when comes to the rights of transgendered and gay
persons. As long as Amanda Simpson is qualified to do the job, I don't see
why you're having a hissy fit.

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Blaming the 15 year old for the story, how convenient. Poor Obama, so many journalists made a mistake about his birthplace. It is a simple coincidence. Honolulu Advertiser publishes an article in 2006 about birth in Indonesia, then modifies the story in 2009 by removing the sentence about Indonesia birth.
The ambassador of Kenya is also “confused” about the Obama's birthplace question.

The SSA administration made a mistake by issuing a SSA number normally issued for residents of Connecticut. This must have been done by “birthers” who anticipated that Obama would one day run for POTUS, LOL!

I see that you have no reference to show that Kapiolani hospital was mentioned as Obama's birthplace prior to January 24, 2009 (six months after the first eligibility lawsuit). At that time, left wing “mythbusting” web site snopes.com was still reporting Queens hospital as his birthplace.

If Okubo cannot confirm the COLB, how about Fukino? She had no trouble proclaiming Obama a “natural-born American citizen” (whatever the phrase means). According to Hawaii law, Fukino must answer the question about sources used when issuing a legal opinion – she refuses to say what was used as a basis for her second press release.

The DoH refuses to produce a manual describing the administrative procedure for using the status phrases “Filed By Registrar” and “Accepted by State Registrar”. Why is it that they did not post it on their web site: covering the true meaning of the COLB?

You are an apologist for Obama. Nobody needs to violate the law to satisfy my needs. The DoH needs to follow the law and stop hiding the public information.

Once Obama published the COLB, the data is in public domain – there is no privacy to be protected, unless he lied.

There is an opinion letter by the office of OIP that was used in the past as a justification for publishing the data previously made public by the person whose privacy was in question.

The intention for Hawaii UIPA laws is to provide information to public. The public's right to know outweighs claims of privacy protection in case when there is no private data to be protected.

Which law allowed Dr. Fukino to proclaim Obama a natural-born American citizen? Why does she refuse to provide an explanation of that phrase and sources used in preparation of her second press-release (July 2009).

“Blaming the 15 year old for the story, how convenient.”

That's what Maya emphatically says happened. If you think it's a big cover up, why not just ask Bennett.

“Honolulu Advertiser publishes an article in 2006 about birth in Indonesia, then modifies the story in 2009 by removing the sentence about Indonesia birth.”

The Honolulu Advertiser should have asked the Honolulu Advertiser why it ran Obama's birth announcement back in 1961. Unfortunately, it looks like this article was an example of sloppy journalism: there was no evidence presented for the claim that Obama was born in Indonesia, just a casual statement. Nor has any evidence come out suggesting Obama was born in Indonesia. But I suppose this story by this crack journalist – who was corrected by the paper one week later – must be the smoking gun to prove without a doubt Obama was born in Indonesia.

“The ambassador of Kenya is also 'confused' about the Obama's birthplace question.”

Now we have a smoking gun that Obama was also born in Kenya! Now I see why Obama is such a threat – only an alien lifeform could be born on two sides of the planet at the same time!

The Kenyan ambassador says they're thinking of marking Obama's birthplace. I'll believe it when I see it.

By the way, I would like to think that you're as persistent in demanding index records and original hospital records from Kenya as you are for Hawaii, though I haven't seen evidence of your interest in official Kenyan records just yet.

“The SSA administration made a mistake by issuing a SSA number normally issued for residents of Connecticut.”

A person's SSN, as hopefully you should understand, is based upon when it was issued and the zip code from where the application was received. The going rumor says that Obama's supposed SSN has a number which was issued in Connecticut between 1976-77. The problem is, if true, that would mean Obama (or his mother) would have had to have applied for the SSN from Connecticut. Obviously, Obama was attending school at Punahou at the time, which renders this possibility at nil.

Of course, there was no reason or articulable motive for Obama to fake an SSN. Even if he wasn't a U.S. citizen (which I raise only for theoretical purposes), he still could have obtained one as a permanent resident in Hawaii. So, the reasonable conclusion is that the Obama conspiracy researchers have detoured down a dead end.

“The DoH refuses to produce a manual describing the administrative procedure for using the status phrases “Filed By Registrar” and “Accepted by State Registrar”. Why is it that they did not post it on their web site: covering the true meaning of the COLB?”

The more reasonable explanation is there was no such manual in the first place.

As for the COLB, its true meaning is evidenced by the words “This copy serves as prima facie evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding.” Please explain to me why the State of Hawaii would issue such a document regarding Obama's Hawaii birth if the state deemed his birth records as not adequate enough to be “accepted.”

“You are an apologist for Obama.”

You can suggest whatever you wish about my motives. That is not a substitute for a viable argument.

“Nobody needs to violate the law to satisfy my needs. The DoH needs to follow the law and stop hiding the public information.”

There's nothing being hidden that you are entitled to obtain or review under Hawaii law.

“Once Obama published the COLB, the data is in public domain – there is no privacy to be protected, unless he lied.”

Sorry, but that's not how the law works, and that is certainly not how the DoH has interpreted it. The DoH is not in a position to judge whether a particular vital record is “public.” They can only judge whether the individual seeking the information has a “direct and tangible interest” in the record. Joe Q. Public expressly doesn't qualify under statutory law, regardless of whether they have inquiring minds.

“The intention for Hawaii UIPA laws is to provide information to public. The public's right to know outweighs claims of privacy protection in case when there is no private data to be protected.”

Interesting proposal, but your purported “balancing test” does not exist under current Hawaii law.

“Which law allowed Dr. Fukino to proclaim Obama a natural-born American citizen?”

I've said before, I think she was skirting close to the edge in terms of Hawaii law. She can probably get away with it because she didn't actually reveal specific vital information – she merely excluded certain general possibilities about his birth.

“Why does she refuse to provide an explanation of that phrase and sources used in preparation of her second press-release”

I think by process of elimination it's clear she uses that in the terms most Americans understand the phrase to mean – born in the United States. Clearly, if she understood it to mean two U.S. citizen parents, she wouldn't have said it.

For all intents and purposes she has said what her source was – she is on the record as saying she has seen his original vital records.

You can logically infer from the above that, according to the original vital records, Obama was born in the United States. That's all you need to know with regard to the NBC question.

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The more reasonable explanation is there was no such manual in the first place.
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Do you think people are stupid to believe such statement? How is it possible to write a computer program to print a copy of a COLB using the data from database and not have a rule when to use either “Filed By Registrar” or “Accepted by State Registrar” phrase.

The State of Nevada posted such information on the web. Hawaii is hiding explanation on their use of these phrases.

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Please explain to me why the State of Hawaii would issue such a document regarding Obama's Hawaii birth if the state deemed his birth records as not adequate enough to be “accepted.”
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I will be able to answer your question once I learn the meaning of the two phrases. The law makes the explanation of administrative procedures available to public upon request, yet the DoH is hiding the answer.

You keep “forgetting” to mention this part of the Hawaii law (92F-12) making the following information public:

(1) Agency rules and general policies
…
(15) Information collected for the purpose of making
information available to the public

The (1) mandates publishing of the explanation for the status phrase.
The (15) covers an explanation that Dr. Fukino must provide about sources she used in writing her press-releases.

Quote from the UIPA law:
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Thus, part I of the UIPA requires that the UIPA be applied and construed to promote its underlying purposes and policies, which are:
(1) To promote the public interest in disclosure;
(2) To provide for accurate, relevant, timely and complete records;
(3) To enhance government accountability;
(4) To make government accountable to individuals in the collection, use, and dissemination of information relating to them; and
(5) To balance the individual privacy interest and the public interest, allowing access unless disclosure would constitute a clearly
unwarranted invasion of personal privacy.

Given this direction that the UIPA be interpreted to promote open government, any doubt regarding disclosure of a record
should likely be resolved in favor of access.
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Doe DoH behavior follows the spirit of the UIPA law?

So. You are against a fellow American doing a job she is qualified for because she is transgendered. I just want to be clear on this.

You've finally realized you're a poor reader. Congratulations! Now go sign up for an ESL course.

Perhaps there's a reason for this beyond bias, like “these questions are as valid as asking Neil Armstrong why he agreed to fake the Moon landing.”

Transgendered people have to undergo extensive psychotherapy before they are allowed to transition. Perhaps you weren’t aware of this.

Either way, I feel sorry for any member of your family who doesn’t agree with you.

Does that mean you’re in favor of a revival of the WPA and the CCC?

NC: “Doe DoH behavior follows the spirit of the UIPA law?”

It does until you take them to court and prove it doesn't. But, again, you won't because you know they are following the law and all you're left with is pouting about it on this board.

Since you own your own business, please state whether you would refuse to hire someone who could not produce a hospital-issued copy of a birth certificate as proof of citizenship, or if you’re ever hired someone without same.

Of course I do not require a birth certificate but then again I am not hiring for the most powerfull position in the world. But let me ask you this why is it such an issue for him to take documentation to a judge? Or on the Leno show or 20/20 etc I would think he would want to put this issue to rest after all I don’t think he would have to worry about identity theft after displaying his personal info

I am against looking foolish to the rest of the world I doubt the Arab communities are tolerant of this type of appointment

I am aware of it and there is mixed feelings in the psychiatric community as to whether to classify transgenders mentally ill or simply a personality trait. I am usually very tolerant of others even those I do not understand, but in the current world climate I have to wonder if there is a traditional person equally or more qualified to do the job.

Transgendered

I am in favor of the principle of them but not the thoughts that both husband and wife shouldn’t work or that there should be a different program for minority workers

And you care about the opinion of these countries why?

And you care about the opinion of these countries why?

Please explain to me why the State of Hawaii would issue such a document regarding Obama's Hawaii birth if the state deemed his birth records as not adequate enough to be “accepted.”
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“I will be able to answer your question once I learn the meaning of the two phrases.”

This is what I simply don't get. The only reason the “filed by” and “accepted by” terms would have any relevance to our discussion is if one of those terms suggests that the birth records are somehow incomplete, insufficient, or not properly registered or on file with the state.

But if that were so, we would expect that COLBs could only be found with one of the terms, and never the other. After all, by issuing the COLB – which has near conclusory effect in the courts – the state is effectively standing behind the birth information it discloses on the document. One would not reasonably expect the state to take such an action in connection with unreliable or incomplete birth information, which is exactly what you are suggesting or implying.

Because of the potential terrorism

So you think that the potential for terrorism from countries that already hate the United States for its support for Israel will be increased by the hiring of one person in the Commerce Department.

Am I right?

I assume that means that your wife works?

I still have two small children at home so my wife is busy at home she also volunteers at their elementary school sine the school disticts are short on funds. My wife also takes care of customer follow up in my business as well as my persoanl accounting needs. So to answer your question yes she does work

You continue to speculate about two phrases while ignoring my question about law REQUIRING the DoH to provide the explanation to the public.

We can argue whole day long – it is a useless debate until the DoH complies with the law and release the information.

Why don't you ask yourself about motivation for DoH behavior? I do not see a logical reason for hiding this information from public if the Obama's COLB was authentic and Dr. Fukino's words were truthful.

You continue to ignore the law that REQUIRES the release of administrative rules to the public.

Until the DoH complies with the law, the debate and speculation about the meaning of two phrases is useless.

If Obama and Dr. Fukino had been telling the truth, I could not find any logical reason for DoH behavior. On the contrary – the unwillingness to comply with the law suggests that something is not quite right with the information provided to the public about Obama's birthplace.

You can continue to claim that they are breaking the law. But, until you prove it in a court of law, they have not broken any law…it is just your opinion. Their motivation is to follow the law as they see it, your motivation is to make outrageous claims with no proof in order to try to get people to believe your delusions. So, when are you taking the DoH to court? If you don't, they've broken no laws.

Your post implies that you understand the meaning of the two COLB status phrases as used by Hawaii DoH.

Why don't you explain it to us.

Keep in mind that the State of Nevada makes a distinction between the phrases.

When I see a thief in action I do not need to take the person to the court to recognize the behavior.

Read the Hawaii law (92F-12 section 1) and explain to me how can anybody interpret the DoH refusal to provide the explanation about status phrases (used on COLB documents) as something else other than a violation of the law.

If you see someone breaking into a car, are they a thief or just locked their keys in the car? That's why you have to take them to court, otherwise it's just your opinion. And judging by how badly your interpretation about everything else is, I would take DoH over you any day…as would a vast majority of the people.

Nevada is not Hawaii.

Hawaii has verified that the President was born there.

If I see a person wearing a mask, weapon in hand and demanding money from a gas station attendant (no film crew is present anywhere near, LOL), is it safe to assume that a robbery is in progress, or should we assume that this is a safety training session organized by the gas company. It could also be a kid rehearsing for a high school play, LOL!

Read the Hawaii law: 92F-12 section 1. It is very clear.

Really, same thing has happened multiple times across the country where people were pulling stunts. So, not necessarily is a crime being committed and you would need to contact the authorities and not take matters into your own hands. And, again, your interpretation to one section can be over-ridden by other sections of the law. So, for you to say it is very clear, further shows how you have very little understanding of the law. So, DoH is not breaking any laws until you take them to court and prove they are.

Let me explain it plainly so you can understand. I mentioned Nevada to take away your argument about poor English reading skills being the cause for not understanding the meaning of the two phrases.

It is obvious that you do not know the legal meaning of the phrases in Hawaii – you should stop pretending otherwise.

Read the Hawaii law: 92F-12 section 1. The DoH is obligated to provide this explanation upon request.

“You continue to speculate about two phrases while ignoring my question about law REQUIRING the DoH to provide the explanation to the public.”

It's not speculation. I have pointed out that whatever materials you seek, should they exist, logically have no bearing on whether Obama's birth was properly registered by the State of Hawaii. The COLB states that Obama's birth was registered. Furthermore, the COLB itself was issued – through which the State of Hawaii stands behind the facts of Obama's birth. End of controversy.

So you can wage war on the DoH if you'd like, and best of luck to you. And perhaps you can find out that the DoH hid purported “filed by” versus “accepted by” guidelines. Congratulations if you do.

But you have yet to advance one single, solitary coherent argument why any of us should care one way or another whether you obtain these materials or not.

If we apply the provisions of British and Kenyan law to the simple facts, which Obama claims about himself — though in truth there is no publically available documentation to confirm the truth of these facts — the inescapable conclusion is that Obama was born a British subject and is now, still to this day, a British subject: a Commonwealth citizen, to be exact. AKA: Illegal-alien

Obama's COLB does not say “registered” but “filed”.

Let me use the IRS as an example. If I sent a tax return, would the IRS accept it at face value. If there was not enough supporting evidence they would ask for clarification and submission of additional documents.
What would be the tax return status at that point: “filed” or “accepted”?

The IRS makes a distinction between people who filed (incomplete) tax returns and those who filed complete tax returns.

The use of language in Nevada suggests that birth registration is similar – it is a two phase process.
There are rules to follow in order for birth registration to be accepted.

Hawaii DoH has an explanation about the use of these two phrases – as I pointed out to you earlier – they had to explain it to programmers when records were converted to electronic form.

You can dance as much as you want but the DoH is obligated to provide this information according to 92F-12 section 1.

“If we apply the provisions of British and Kenyan law to the simple facts, which Obama claims about himself — though in truth there is no publically available documentation to confirm the truth of these facts — the inescapable conclusion is that Obama was born a British subject and is now, still to this day, a British subject: a Commonwealth citizen, to be exact. AKA: Illegal-alien”

Very entertaining. Completely false, of course, but entertaining. (That's why this board is so amusing.)

A person who is born in the U.S., and therefore a citizen by birth/natural born citizen, by definition cannot be an “illegal alien,” no matter what other citizenship he may hold.

Having said that, even if Obama Sr. had naturalized as a U.S. citizen, Obama Sr. would have retained his UK citizenship, and therefore Obama Jr. would still have been born a UK citizen by descent even though he would have been a U.S. citizen at birth and had two U.S. citizen parents. So under your theory, even a natural born U.S. citizen can be an illegal alien, which of course is a paradox.

Furthermore, under your theory, Presidents James Buchanan, Andrew Johnson, and Chet Arthur were also illegal aliens, because each had fathers who were British citizens. (And remained so even after they took on U.S. citizenship.)

Lastly, neither Obama, Sr. nor Obama, Jr. were UK citizens after 1963. Both lost their UK citizenship by operation of the Kenya Independence Act 1963, passed by the UK House of Commons. Additionally, Obama Jr. lost his Kenyan citizenship in 1984 because he failed to renounce his U.S. citizenship.

Your theories are amusing, but little else.

“The IRS makes a distinction between people who filed (incomplete) tax returns and those who filed complete tax returns.”

Tax returns and birth records are not analogous for the argument you are making. The IRS never sends you a letter or calls you saying, “Your return is complete, therefore we will take no action.” You only come to believe over time that your tax return is acceptable because the IRS hasn't contacted you.

Birth records, on the other hand, are publicly confirmed. Logically, you can infer the birth record has been filed/accepted by the state because the state has it published in a local newspaper. And that's exactly what the State of Hawaii did regarding Obama's birth.

And what of those Nevada rules you constantly refer to? What substantive distinction do they make between “accepted” and “filed”? Zero. They are virtually interchangeable.

NRS 440.620, for example, speaks of “acceptance for filing,” which independently suggests acceptance takes place before. On the other hand, NRS 440.630 refers to certificates “accepted” after “the time prescribed for filing,” which independently suggests acceptance takes place after filing.

Taken together in context, however, it becomes clear that acceptance and filing are merely duplicate ways of saying that the document has been received by the agency and is sufficient for registration.

You are very good at making ridiculous claims. You are a total failure at backing them up.

“Read the Hawaii law: 92F-12 section 1. The DoH is obligated to provide this explanation upon request.”

You're assuming that there's a distinction between “filed by” and “accepted by” that warranted some explanation in a state manual. But if you're wrong, and I say you are (including your references to Nevada law), and there's no functional or substantive distinction between those terms, there would be no manual making a non-existent distinction, and therefore nothing for Hawaii to disclose under 92F-12 section 1 or any other law.

Sorry, but how Nevada determines citizenship is not relevant to Hawaii. Being condescending will not change this.

The President already produced the legal birth certificate, over a year ago. It’s on the web for you and everyone else to see.

Also, if you truly think that he managed even to run for the Senate without undergoing an extensive and thorough background check, you are wrong. The *in-laws* of federal employees are checked to within an inch of their lives, to the point that FBI agents are told not to marry a certain person if their fiance/e’s relatives are even slightly suspect. The background check required for the President, Vice President, and Cabinet members overlooks nothing. Just because the government doesn’t tell Orly Taitz, or Phil Berg, or you, or any of the other birthers the details is no reason to think that the President and every member of his family wasn’t checked out in detail.

Real life is not a paperback thriller. The President was born in Hawaii. If you don’t like that, vote for someone else.

Rick, I’m sorry, but you’re confusing transgender with being gay. Transgender people have measurable physiological traits. My cousin was born female, but that’s just because during gestation her balls didn’t drop (trying to be simplistic for simplistic minds). When they ran a DNA sample on her, she came back male. So, your paranoia is misplaced and you need to be more understanding of differences that have nothing to do with anything other than God made this happen and accept them for who they are. Because, no matter what, we are all God’s children and if you believe that then you understand that we all have a place in God’s world.

I did vote for someone else and do you believe everything you see on the web?

I think it is remarkable that the press can find every woman with whom Tiger Woods has had an affair in the last few years, along with photos, text messages, recorded phone calls, etc.
They know not only the cause of the family fight, but they even know it was a wedge from his golf bag that she used to break out the windows in the Escalade. Not only that, they know which wedge.
This is the same press (or is it?) that cannot locate President Barack Obama’s birth certificate … or any of his college papers or anyone who even knew him in college; how he paid for it, etc., etc.
Truly remarkable.

I am not paranoid. Also your example is completely different than the person appointed by Obama I

can empathize with their situation as they did not choose to be born that way I find it difficult to understand people who choose to mutilate their normal bodies

But, that isn’t his normal body. He is a man…his body just didn’t form properly. Why shouldn’t he be able to live as a man if medical science can provide for him? Why should you think you have any right to judge his choice? People like you would complain about him being a lesbian just because he is acting naturally in dating a woman. Maybe, someday, you might find out there’s something different about one of your kids. Will you be so judgmental to them? Would you like it if society treated your child like a second class person?

Apologist-in-chief.

I can asure you that DoH has a functional/design specification for the COLB document. They had to provide one to programmers who implemented conversion to electronic records.

The DoH has an obligation (by law) to respond when asked about administrative rules and procedures. They are not supposed to ignore the request.

Even if they did not have any rules for COLB design (which is a ridiculous proposition) the DoH should respond and say so publicly.

Nevada example makes it plausible that other states are using the similar approach.

You cannot simply dismiss the possibility that Hawaii is doing something similar.

Instead of speculating about it, the DoH was asked to provide the explanation (as they are required by law).

Let the DoH explain the use of these two phrases – it will either confirm or deny similarities with Nevada.

The problem is – the DoH is silent on the issue (in violation of the state law).

NC: “Nevada example makes it plausible that other states are using the similar approach.”

No it doesn't. each state is an independent governmental entity free to design their own record-keeping systems. Independent of each other if they so choose. What one state does with keeping records is accepted by all other states as legal…unless/until you prove the state document is false. Every state, federal government agency, etc. Now, when you going after congress?

I repeat being born like that is different than going and having your penis
cut off because you can’t figure out who you are in life. And I will raise
my kids male and female to be proud and strong of who they are they will
not feel the need to make some strange change in their life

In a message dated 1/5/2010 5:05:46 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
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But, that isn’t his normal body. He is a man…his body just didn’t form
properly. Why shouldn’t he be able to live as a man if medical science can
provide for him? Why should you think you have any right to judge his
choice? People like you would complain about him being a lesbian just because
he is acting naturally in dating a woman. Maybe, someday, you might find
out there’s something different about one of your kids. Will you be so
judgmental to them? Would you like it if society treated your child like a
second class person?

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Plausible does not mean equal.

Nevada example forces you to study the Hawaii law to learn how the COLB phrases are used there.

You cannot outright dismiss the possibility that two phrases have different meaning in Hawaii, as Obama supporters on this blog have been doing.

Yes, he can. They are two different states, and the language you quoted from Nevada has nothing to do with Hawaii and its verification, on its DoH web site, of the President’s birth in Honolulu.

None of which changes the fact that the President was born in Honolulu.

NC: “Nevada example forces you to study the Hawaii law to learn how the COLB phrases are used there.”

Why do I need to study Hawaii law when you have not a shred of proof anything illegal is done? You delusions are your own, and is no proof of anything. BTW…when ARE you going to answer my question about Congress?

Top radio hosts, including Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Michael Savage, Mark Levin and Lou Dobbs, have all said unequivocally and publicly that the Obama eligibility issue is legitimate and worthy. Still no Birth Certificate, except the Kenyan one, his father was a “transient alien” Brit married to the underage mother. He was adopted as Indonesian-Moslem Barry Soetoro, attended college as a Foreign Student, visited Pakistan on unknown visa, travelled a few times to Kenya as a young man(perhaps to renew his citizenship?). And he has already paid well-over a million dollars to cover this stuff up. Without the original BC he mentions “looking at” in 'Dreams of My Father' on page 26 and those college records he is a man without a country. Grandma Obama & Kenyan Ambassador both stated Obama was born in Kenya. Why would people like Alan Keyes, Dr. Michael Savage, Pat Boone, etc. make this stuff up? And if they did why wouldn't Obama have them charged with LIBEL? because he himself knows all too well they are right and that Obama is indeed an illegal-alien. The king is not wearing any clothes.

For my illustration purpose it is irrelevant whether IRS sends out letters confirming acceptance of the tax records.

The main point is that the agency internally makes distinction between the two categories of files submitted by the public.

There is possibility that DOH is using different definition for these two phrases. You cannot dismiss it without verifying the DoH regulations.

Instead of us speculating about it, it would be much better if DoH just followed the law and explained the use of these two phrases on their COLBs.

The DoH is refusing to follow the state law. The are breaking the law.

The DoH is refusing to follow the state law. The are breaking the law.

Lies from beginning to end. Aren't you ashamed of yourself?

And the worthy Mr. Steenbock proves himself a typical birther, by refusing to answer a question when it becomes uncomfortable for him. Very sad.

“There is possibility that DoH is using different definition for these two phrases. You cannot simply dismiss it without consulting DoH regulations.”

No substantive (i.e. non-semantic) distinction between “filed by” and “accepted by” has been shown to exist (either in Hawaii or in any other state, including Nevada). Therefore, I wouldn't expect for there to be regulations explaining such a non-existent distinction.

Your argument is the equivalent of demanding regulations explaining the difference between “dead” and “deceased.” If no regulations concerning the distinction between these terms is produces, it must be because the agency is covering it up.

Why would you want President Obama to release his social security number? Do you want our president to be the victim of identity theft? No sane person would release their social security number.
And there is not one single shred of actual evidence that the president has ever had more than one social security number. Internet slander by crazy birthers doesn't count.

You may believe as you wish. I do not need to speculate about it. I know that the DoH has a rule on how to use the status field. The had to explain it to programmers who wrote a program to print the COLB using the data stored in DoH database.

They have to release this information according to the law. It should have been a trivial request and the DoH should have responded long time ago.

Your examples are flawed.

The DoH has a rule on how to use the status field. They had to explain it to programmers who wrote the function to print the COLB using data stored in the DoH database.

When asked about any administrative rule the DoH has to release information to public. There is no justification for their refusal to comply with the law.

I listened to the entire interview. Aside from the relevance to this discussion, it's really fascinating, with a lot of information about Ann Dunham's career and life. The relevant info about Barack Obama's birth starts at about 34 minutes.

24Weiners….”burst forth”……..that’s too funny!!!!!!!

well, redgraham……he is the President of the United States, so what now…..and it ain’t gonna change no matter how many places you go around demanding, whining, etc.

Barack H. Obama is President of the United States. Barack H. Obama is President of the United States. Barack H. Obama is President of the United States….and so on and so on and so on…….

listen here redgrahamcracker…….orly……sybil………President Obama does not have to “get back to being president.” He has always been President of the United States since he was sworn in and will continue to be President of the United States until he fulfills his second term.

rick, President Obama passed all background checks, as well. Why is it that you want him to pass some birfer background check now? You’re a birfer……own it…….

rick, if you voted for someone else, what are you bothering us for???? You voted for McCain, he LOST, so not you have to wait for the next election and see if you can rally troops enough to vote out President Obama. Until that time, you should stop with the bullshit about his birth certificate……or actually, don’t stop….just makes it easier to elect him again to the Presidency.

the court is not UNSATISFIED, rick, just you and naturalbornOrly……and you guys are not the boss of anyone……so sorry, the fact that you are not satisfied does not count………you will have to do without this birth certificate you claim has not been shown…..which, of course, everyone knows that it HAS BEEN SHOWN, and

The “we” who are still speculating about President Obama’s birth certificate are you, naturalbornorly, rick and that other person who posts here using 15 different names, talking to himself…….

President Barack Obama is the President of the United States and this fact will remain so……….but you are entertaining, so, again, please carry on……

Identity teft, LOL!!!
Obama has performed one already by using a fake SSA number normally assigned to residents of Connecticut.

Honey, you are not the center of the Universe.

Responding to your posts will not pay his bills. He has a business to manage.

redgrahamcracker grows more entertaining…….and unhinged…….by the minute!!!!!

Sounds like you know him rather well. Are you related to him? Married to him? Did you buy one of the “good affordable” clunkers he wept to see junked last summer? WHAT ARE YOU HIDING?????

Just as in the O.J. Simpson case, our legal system has been used to avoid a 'perceived' violent and damaging reaction by the general population to justice being served – and so, one more cowardly judge resorts to tortured logic and avoids doing the right thing. This lawsuit was never about military personnel avoiding deployment to a war zone! It has always been about Obama's ineligibility to serve as President of the United States and to issue orders as Commander-in-Chief, potentially placing hundreds and thousands of lives in harms way.

So now you're equating a jury trial deciding that the prosecution had failed to make its case with a series of judges ruling that plaintiffs have no standing and their legal theories are invalid.

Unbelievable.

Good catch, Bill. Remember, Limbaugh has been credited with coining two singularly demeaning insults to the President, “The Boy King” and “Manboy”. Hmm, interesting how each of these terms contains “boy”——
And to think that I put it down to Rush's obvious racism!
You make a good case that Rush's closet is starting to come unhinged…

This racist riffing sounds straight outta Rush's drug-addled ramblings…
or maybe RedGraham has finally been i.d.'d as…….
Mark Fuhrman
LOL

The Audacity of Unawareness

I tried to reply in the thread above, where you accused me of scorning your bad grammar and punctuation because you’re white and American. That is simply not true, as anyone who reads my constant requests to “naturalizedcitizen” to take ESL classes. That you seem to think that I would give a non-white a free pass for bad grammar says much more about you and your character than it does about me.

Since the site won’t let me reply below, here is my reply to your comment “And I will raise
my kids male and female to be proud and strong of who they are they will
not feel the need to make some strange change in their life.”

I know a former Marine, Force Recon to boot, who found out in his late 30s that he was biologically both male and female. Further, he learned that the male organs were in a precancerous state due to earlier treatments for his “low testosterone levels,” and that he should have had the penis and testicles removed as a baby and been raised as a woman.

That “man” is now a woman, and is happier, healthier, and saner than she ever was a man. The “strange change” she made saved her life.

And oh, one more thing: when she was still apparently male, she enlisted in the Marine Corps. She managed to make Sergeant before she mustered out, and now has a brand spanking new uniform she wears on Veterans’ Day and to the VFW. It has all of her service ribbons and decorations on it, as she earned them…including the ones reflecting her time as a platoon leader in Force Recon, the Marine equivalent of the Green Berets, and all the black ops work she did overseas that she still can’t talk about.

Too bad we never should have trusted her in the first place because of the “potential for terrorism,” eh?

Of course not. For instance, I don’t believe a single word that issues from Orly Taitz’s overly made up face.

Every bit of this is wrong. The birth certificate was released over a year ago, his college buddies have been interviewed, he said himself during his time in the Senate that he took out student loans, and so on. All you have to do is Google your questions or read the President’s memoir.

I’m sorry, but you seem *very* upset by the mere idea of a transsexual making a “strange change” by “cutting off his penis.” No one is forcing you to become female, nor “mutilate” your own body, so why do you care? It’s none of your business, to be blunt.

You know, I know someone who’s strong and proud, an ex-Marine, to be exact. He served his country with distinctive, joined Force Recon, and worked on black ops missions during his time. Smart guy who’s now on a disability pension because of the injuries he incurred serving his country.

And you know what? All along, “he” should have been a “she.” My friend was born intersexed and never knew it until the day her doctor told her that the abdominal pains she’d been suffering from were ovaries that had been damaged by the testosterone her parents had made her take “to be normal” when she was an adolescent. She also found out that her testicles showed signs of becoming cancerous for the same reason. The “vitamins” her well-meaning parents had given her so she’d be “proud and strong” of who “he” was were literally killing her by inches.

So she underwent what you’d call a “strange change” and had her body altered to what it should have been all along. She’s happier, healthier, and more at peace with herself than she’s ever been in her life, and her buddies down at the VFW think that’s just fine.

I’ll bet there’s someone like that in your hometown. Someone who was raised to be “strong and proud” who was living a lie, whether they knew it or not. Someone who didn’t find out until adulthood that what they’d thought was true wasn’t. Someone who finally found some happiness and peace after they underwent a “strange change.” Someone who looks absolutely normal and ordinary.

Think about it, sir. Just think about it. And then ask yourself just why you’re so upset about it, and what sort of lesson your intolerance is teaching your children.

Somehow I don’t think it’s quite the lesson you think you’re teaching them.

Much different situation then someone choosing to mutilate themselves and
cut off their penis for psychological reasons. and by the way spell check
has some problems with your grammar on your reply

In a message dated 1/7/2010 3:15:42 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
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ellid wrote, in response to ricksteenbock:

Since the site won’t let me reply below, here is my reply to your comment
“And I will raise

my kids male and female to be proud and strong of who they are they will

not feel the need to make some strange change in their life.”

I know a former Marine, Force Recon to boot, who found out in his late 30s
that he was biologically both male and female. Further, he learned that
the male organs were in a precancerous state due to earlier treatments for
his “low testosterone levels,” and that he should have had the penis and
testicles removed as a baby and been raised as a woman.

That “man” is now a woman, and is happier, healthier, and saner than she
ever was a man. The “strange change” she made saved her life.

And oh, one more thing: when she was still apparently male, she enlisted
in the Marine Corps. She managed to make Sergeant before she mustered out,
and now has a brand spanking new uniform she wears on Veterans’ Day and to
the VFW. It has all of her service ribbons and decorations on it, as she
earned them…including the ones reflecting her time as a platoon leader in
Force Recon, the Marine equivalent of the Green Berets, and all the black
ops work she did overseas that she still can’t talk about.

Too bad we never should have trusted her in the first place because of the
“potential for terrorism,” eh?

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I copied this from the internet right beside a picture of his birth
certificate so it must be true

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Every bit of this is wrong. The birth certificate was released over a
year ago, his college buddies have been interviewed, he said himself during
his time in the Senate that he took out student loans, and so on. All you
have to do is Google your questions or read the President’s memoir.

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You are simply too blinded by your own prejudice to realize the similarities. I feel very sorry for you.

You’re forgetting that the birth certificate released on line was confirmed by several officials in the Hawaiian government.

Since you own your own business, you must know a lawyer who handles incorporation fees and legal matters. Why don’t you ask your lawyer for the definition of natural born citizen?

Do you HONESTLY believe you and ORLY are smarter than the CIA and FBI and SS who had to do a full and thorough background check to issue top security status to Obama? Either that, or you believe all of those agencies, and all of those who participate in background checks, are in on the conspiracy. If that is the case, this country is FUBAR anyway.

I don't understand why these birthers think they, as obviously undereducated citizens, know more than the agencies tasked with performing the background checks into the POTUS.

Liar. Provide credible evidence or STFU, drooling birfer.

Sarah Obama never said, nor was quoted as saying, nor intended to
say, in her taped phone conversation that she was “present when Barack
Obama Jr. was born in Kenya.

From the actual transcript available on the internet:
MCRAE: OK I’m sorry. I, I thought she said she was present when he was
born. I was—
TRANSLATOR OGOMBE (sounding exasperated): No, no! The, the
woman was not present. She was uh not, a what–you see, she was here in
Kenya, and Obama was born in America. That is, that’s obvious.

YOU are the liar, pathetic birfoon.

Prove it or STFU, libelous birfoon.

Would you stake your life that the name, Barack Obama has only been in use once for a citizen's name in the entire history of the United States?

Please say yes.

Idiot troll.

“Honey, you are not the center of the Universe.”

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ! ! !

This coming from one of the most delusional and arrogant pieces of shit ever on these threads.

How many of other Barack Obama's have lived at the same address as this one?

What a coincidence multiple people sharing the same name lived at the same address, LOL!

Ok so why not put all this to an end and show the freggin birth document? did they purposely loose the key of the vault or something?

It was already released over a year ago.

*pats on head*

You can go home now.

Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai‘i and is a natural-born American citizen.

DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH
News Release
LINDA LINGLE
GOVERNOR
_________________________________________________________________________________________________________
CHIYOME LEINAALA FUKINO M.D.

_________________________________________________________________________________________________________
For Immediate Release: July 27, 2009 09-063
STATEMENT BY HEALTH DIRECTOR CHIYOME FUKINO, M.D.
“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawai?i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai‘i State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai‘i and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago.”
###

Already done. You must have been passed out.

Prove it or STFU, drooler.

It's even funnier when the droolers fall for fake internet e-mails like that one. The idiot is expecting a check from Bill Gates any day as well.

You did not get my previous post did you? Taking everything literally?

Let me draw it for you: You implied that Barack Obama (the Usurper) was not the only person with that name living in the USA.

I responded by saying (using sarcasm) that it would have been a mighty big coincidence if two different Barack Obamas lived at the same addresses, where the usurper-in-chief Barack Obama lived throughout years.

Conclusion:
The SSA number reported for Barack Obama at those addresses (in Chicago) was used by the Usurper, not some other person.

You're relying on a report that was made using a badly flawed methodology. Those flaws have been pointed out to you several times. That you persist in using indicates that you have no interest in facts, only confirming your own obsession with removing a legally elected President from office.

Give it up, NC. You are no less wrong than you were last week, or last month, or last year.

The PI report (lady from Ohio), submitted to judge Carter, says that Obama used only one SSA # from 1986 until present.

I think it is trivial for investigators to find out what SSA # somebody used when applying for apartment rental, credit cards, mortgage…

It is very unlikely that PI falsified SSA number and sent the report to court signed under the penalty or perjury, because her work could be easily verified by another investigator using the paid database search.

You don't like the result of that report because it forces you to blame the SSA office in order to defend Obama. You would want us to believe that the SSA office was incompetent for issuing the number normally assigned to a resident of Connecticut to Obama who was resident of Hawaii at the time when he obtained the number.

As usual, completely wrong, and debunked weeks ago. Why do you hate the President so much, that you're willing to believe the most outrageous lies?

What outrageous lies? Any Obama supporter could have performed the same SSA # investigation and verify whether the PI told the truth.

You cannot debunk facts – you can only try to blame the SSA office for being incompetent. This seems to be the story of Obama's life – people around him make “mistakes” and he is the innocent one, LOL!

Let's see…

The President's grandmother said he was born in Kenya (wrong).

The President has more than one SSN (wrong).

The President was adopted by his stepfather (wrong).

The President is a Muslim, an atheist, a Socialist, and a Communist (all wrong).

The President was born in Kenya and his birth certificate is fake (wrong).

The birth certificate he released last year is either a forgery or legally invalid (both wrong).

Shall I go on?

Simple question. Who uses a SS number to rent an apartment? I never have, nor has anyone I know.

Don't you see? He's really a gay Muslim aetheist who like to have sex with white women.
And a Marxist millionaire who gives money to the privately-owned banks, and then doesn't try to take them over.
I'm so confused.

But, you have a real tendency to believe unproven facts, like those bogus SSNs, and yet hold other proven facts, like Obama's birth confirmed by Hawaii to different standards. Why is that?

I had to provide my SS number in the application to lease an apartment.

PI report submitted to judge Carter mentions only one SSN.

It is not difficult to believe that this report is true because it is routinely done on a daily basis throughout the USA and it can be easily replicated by another investigator. Would PI sent her report to the court under the penalty of perjury if she had manipulated the report – not a very likely scenario.

Even if we could agree that Hawaii DoH confirmed Obama's birth, we would not be able to say whether such confirmation was based on a birth registration by a relative or a hospital.

There is no evidence to support the official story that Obama was born in the Kapiolani hospital.

I never did. I had to provide an SSN when I bought a house, but that's entirely different from renting a property.

Again, your own ignorance is tripping you up. People give inaccurate testimony and false affidavits all the time. Perjury is *deliberately* giving false testimony and doesn't cover someone who doesn't know what they're doing, which is the case here.

NC: “There is no evidence to support the official story that Obama was born in the Kapiolani hospital.”

Sure there is. An official Hawaii COLB and the statement by Hawaii that he was born there. It is you who has no evidence he wasn't born in Hawaii. The actual hospital is not important, except to delusional fools like you who can't stand him being president.

There is no information on COLB mentioning Kapiolani. The COLB could have been based on a fraudulent birth registration by a relative.

1. How do you know that COLB is not based on a fraudulent birth registration by a relative.? As you said people do these things all the time.

COLB does not confirm the official story of birth in the Kapiolani Hospital.

2. Are you saying that it is a difficult task for an investigator, to check the SSN used by someone, rather than a routine one?

I had to provide the SSN several times when leasing an apartment in SF bay area. The purpose was to give information to landlords for a credit report check. They also charged a fee $20 – $30.

It does not make any difference in this discussion whether some apartment leases can be obtained without disclosing a SSN.

Obama had to obtain mortgage, credit cards, buy a car,…

He left the similar trail like anyone else when it comes to using the SSN.

The investigator in this case was incompetent, as has been pointed out by others repeatedly, going back several months.

As for the factual nature of the information on the President's birth certificate, it was verified by the state of Hawaii and several state officials. That YOU refuse to believe this, and keep splitting hairs and mangling the plain meaning of the English language in an attempt to say that no, they haven't verified anything, is your problem. It's not mine, and if you weren't so incredibly annoying I'd feel sorry for you.

Nobody proved that the PI was incompetent. Did anybody else perform the same check and come up with different results?

You cannot discount the possibility that COLB was based on a birth registration by a relative.

There is no official confirmation that Obama was born in the Kapiolani hospital.

He would not even confirm that the letter sent to Kapiolani was authentic, and the hospital promptly removed it from their web site. This behavior does not make sense if the official story were true.

The private investigator used a flawed methodology and came up with flawed results.

As for the rest of your blather, we have privacy laws in this country, which is why the hospital can neither confirm nor deny that any specific child was born there. You really need to bone up on your citizenship laws, in addition to learning the difference between truly foul language (“NC is a f******g whore who services methheads”) and mere insult (“NC is a mascara-sucking cretin”).

NC:”The COLB could have been based on a fraudulent birth registration by a relative.:

NC, by your standards…

You COULD be a Nazi
You COULD be Osama bin laden
You COULD be someone who would blow up court buildings.
You COULD be a pedaphile

Now, that is the exact same as you are doing to Obama. Where's your proof?

Irrelevant. What are the names of the hospitals for all Presidents born before Carter?

You're a vile, racist douche bag.

LOL. Not exactly the same.

1. I am not running for the highest public office in the USA.

You do realize that the burden of proof for eligibility is on Obama – the same person who continues to lie to the public about so many different things that is hard to keep count. Why would eligibility question be any different?

2. There are so many pieces of the puzzle indicating that the official birthplace story is a lie. You know the drill: foreign birth announcements, late switch from Queen's to Kapiolani Hospital, SSA number, sealed personal documents,
DoH behavior,…the list goes on.
There is a resonable suspicion that the official story is a lie.

We have seen McCain's original birth certificate. No such luck with Obama.
His original birth certificate is still hidden from US public.

Double standards anyone?

1. DEFENDANTS don't have to prove a damn thing. PLAINTIFFS have to produce proof of wrongdoing. Orly Taitz and her merry band of the poorly trained and incompetent haven't proved a damn thing. Quit trying to apply non-American legal standards to American law.

2. There is not one speck of evidence that a REASONABLE person would find compelling to support any of this. Quite the contrary. The whole point of the birther movement – that the President was not born in Hawaii – is predicated on the idea that a heavily pregnant 18 year old with no money would fly 10,000 miles into a war zone to give birth in a city hundreds of miles from her nearest in-law. For sheer stupidity this has no equal, even among conspiracy theorists. It would be more reasonable to suggest that the President is a space alien.

3. This is a false comparison, and you know it. John McCain freely admitted that there was potentially a problem with him being born in the Panama Canal Zone. He submitted this to Congress, which investigated and found that he was indeed natural born. There was no such suspicion about President Obama until he began running for President, when all the conspiracy nuts, racists, and Birch-sympathizers came out of the woodwork. The only double standard is that, as usual, a black man is being held to a much higher standard than a white man in hopes that he'll fail.

So we once again have the spectacle of our dear and learned inhaler of eyelash enhancements being 100% wrong. What is wrong with her, besides a deep seated hatred of the President? Is she really a Fifth Columnist who is doing her clumsy best to wreck America? Does anyone know who she *really* is? Does anyone even care?

Then you were scammed because you're an idiot.

Like you, irrelevant.

Opet si pila.

Serbian.

“Again, you saw.”

You have not seen McCain's birth certificate. Liar.

Your understanding of law is predictably erroneous and laughable.

You're not eligible to run a hot dog stand.

No, but you are an idiot.

McCain's birth certificate from the Colon hospital in Panama was published in the media. It indicated that he was born outside the Canal Zone. It contained detailed information about his birthplace not seen in Obama's COLB document.

The translation is wrong. You cannot literally translate each word. The last one is derived from the verb “piti” meaning (to drink). It is transformed in such way that incorporate gender information as well.

If you were a male, the sentence would be: Opet si pio?
A question to a female: Opet si pila?

Who knew that Orly could speak so many strange languages, LOL!

McCain was born outside the Canal Zone.
We have not seen the hospital record of Obama's birth.

We've seen the legal birth certificate. That is all that is required, and all that the State of Hawaii can legally release. You know this already.

Speaking more than one language is useless if one cannot speak any of them well.

Go back to the Hague, Radovan.

Speaking more than one language is useless if one cannot speak any of them well.

Go back to the Hague, Radovan.

We have not seen Obama's Hawaii birth certificate from 1960s.

Did Panama have better record keeping in the 1930s, LOL?

We have already seen the legal birth certificate. Nothing else matters.

Opet si pila.

Serbian.

“Again, you saw.”

You have not seen McCain's birth certificate. Liar.

Your understanding of law is predictably erroneous and laughable.

You're not eligible to run a hot dog stand.

No, but you are an idiot.

McCain's birth certificate from the Colon hospital in Panama was published in the media. It indicated that he was born outside the Canal Zone. It contained detailed information about his birthplace not seen in Obama's COLB document.

The translation is wrong. You cannot literally translate each word. The last one is derived from the verb “piti” meaning (to drink). It is transformed in such way that incorporate gender information as well.

If you were a male, the sentence would be: Opet si pio?
A question to a female: Opet si pila?

Who knew that Orly could speak so many strange languages, LOL!

McCain was born outside the Canal Zone.
We have not seen the hospital record of Obama's birth.

We've seen the legal birth certificate. That is all that is required, and all that the State of Hawaii can legally release. You know this already.

You also didn't address #2, which is the heart of your claims: that a pregnant teenager with limited funds flew over 10,000 miles late in her term to give birth to a baby in a city that wasn't even part of her husband's homeland. That anyone with a brain could take this seriously is far more important than your obsessive and inaccurate parsing of Hawaiian law.

Also, comparing a birth certificate from Panama from the 1930s to one from Hawaii in the 1960s is not a valid comparison…and as has been pointed out to you over and over, Slobodan/Orly/NC/Jegohead, the legal birth certificate from Hawaii is the one that was released on line in 2008.

Speaking more than one language is useless if one cannot speak any of them well.

Go back to the Hague, Radovan.

We have not seen Obama's Hawaii birth certificate from 1960s.

Did Panama have better record keeping in the 1930s, LOL?

We have already seen the legal birth certificate. Nothing else matters.

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