Best of 2009: Rep. Trent Franks: Obama Should Release Long Form Birth Certificate

There is nothing that will satisfy those who doubt that Obama is a natural born citizen. What does Obama releasing a long form of his birth certificate accomplish? Nothing. Birthers refuse to recognize anything that prove them wrong. It just seems that Mr. Franks being very busy has been unable to properly review the issue. This is understandable.

It's all about redirecting public discourse. Keep the dummies busy with this crap, instead of keeping on track, building up the country, so the party of no can keep things as they are, which is unsustainable. They WANT us in a depression, for some reason. No other way of looking at it.

Let's see the birth certificate. What is Obama hiding? How can anyone defend this? It would go away and the people who are pushing it would look foolish. Not showing it means there is a reason. Obama is hiding something. Anyone defending this is either braindead or willing to ignore the law to keep this guy in office.

Our congress won't look at it and refuses to see the evidence before their very eyes. The courts refuse to hear it or listen to the cries for justice. The media won't report on it and will minimize ridicule what little coverage they can't avoid giving the issue. Obama is an illegal-alien and had no business even running for president. He must resign now.

alphabet boy,

Congress won't look at it, the courts won't hear it, because it's baseless nonsense. Even your precious orly is getting ready to give it up. Why aren't you? Ridicule is synonymous with your quest.

Such as………”Lemmings to the Sea!”

You people ALREADY look foolish.

Are your lives so empty that this is the only thing you can come up with? Conspiracy theories can NEVER be resolved.

All you people look like are children looking for Easter eggs at Thanksgiving.

Barack Obama’s social security number begins with “042? — “042-68-xxxx”. According to the social security website, “042? designates that his ss# was issued in Connecticut. Why in the world would he have a ss# issued out of Connecticut? He was not born there, he did not ever live there, it makes no sense. Did he perhaps have his ss# reissued (new number) with the help of a buddy in Connecticut?

Just trying to be reasonable. I would argue it is more about pandering to the base that wouldn't vote for the alternative. This pandering includes the obstructive nature of the GOP on the issues that are important to Americans. Like you, I don't understand their motives, but it could be the inclusion of those politicians who can't comprehend the nature of government. I could be wrong.

Congress won't look at it. The Senate won't look at it. The courts won't look at it. No reasonable lawyer won't look at it. The State of Hawaii won't look at it. The Governor of Hawaii won't look at it. McCain nor Hilary Clinton won't look at it. All the politicians in the 2008 Democratic Primary won't look at it. No sane GOP, Democratic or other party politician won't look at it. No investigative news media will look at it. And this list goes on.

In the context that you are attempting to present it that is true. However, the problem is that they have already viewed this conspiracy theory as nonsense. It has taken those who doubt Obama's birth more effort that it would have taken them to accept the fact. Obama is a natural born citizen of America.

I've wrestled with it for about……..five minutes. About five months ago.
When you add up the birthers, deathers, baggers, et al, and using Occam's Razor, There is only one conclusion. We were almost there, earlier this year.
I believe we have to wait til 2010, and see how this all plays out. I just can't believe we could be so stupid, to want to return to “business as usual”, like during the Bush years. I think it has everything to do with entitlement. I've seen it in my own family. One of my sisters was disowned because of it. pretty sad. losing one's family over a worthless principle.
And no, I don't think you're wrong at all.

Obama HAS shown his birth certificate. He has posted and showed the physical copy of the document to both FactCheck and Politifact.

What he showed is the official birth certificate of Hawaii, and the only one that Hawaii currently sends out. (http://www.starbulletin.com/columnists/kokualin…). It is accepted as proof of birth in Hawaii by all the departments in Hawaii (Yes, including DHHL. I checked.). And, it is accepted as proof of birth in the USA by the US State Department.

The Wall Street Journal commented: “Obama has already provided a legal birth certificate demonstrating that he was born in Hawaii. No one has produced any serious evidence to the contrary. Absent such evidence, it is unreasonable to deny that Obama has met the burden of proof. We know that he was born in Honolulu as surely as we know that Bill Clinton was born in Hope, Ark., or George W. Bush in New Haven, Conn.”

The facts on Obama’s official birth certificate were confirmed twice by the officials in Hawaii (members of a Republican governor’s administration). They were further confirmed by the notices in the two newspapers (which were sent out by the government of Hawaii at the time for births IN Hawaii, and not for births outside of Hawaii), and there is even a witness who recalls being told of Obama’s birth in 1961 (http://www.buffalonews.com/494/story/554495.html).

There is no legal or credible evidence that Obama was born anywhere else than Hawaii. His Kenyan grandmother never said that he was born in Kenya. She said very clearly that he was born in “America, Hawaii.”

You are arguing against a person who believes that randomly writing letters on a piece of paper will be better that taking the time to compose their thoughts.

These people try to make a simple birth certificate seem more complicated than it really is.

You libs elected this communist, all I want is proof he's an American communist. A phoney looking “certificate of live birth” is not the same thing a “Birth Certificate”. My guess is the only birth certificate he has is from Kenya. It's a simple thing.

There have been no legal claims against Obama's birth certificate by the State of Hawaii. If his birth certificate was forged the State of Hawaii would be harmed, and in it rights to rectify that problem.

When someone states a “certificate of live birth” is not the same as a “birth certificate” it seems that they are attempting to manipulate the English language to make illogical arguments.

If you don't know that a “certificate” and a “certification” is the same thing, then this strange conspiracy theory is the least of your problems.

[...] Best of 2009: Rep. Trent Franks: Obama Should Release Long Form … [...]

Barack Obama’s Selective Service registration card and accompanying documents show that questions about him are not only NOT over, but if the signature on the document is in fact his, our Commander-in-Chief may have committed a federal crime in 2008, well within the statute of limitations on the matter. If it is not his, then it’s proof positive that our next Commander-in-Chief never registered with the Selective Service as required by law. By law, he was required to register and was legally able to do so until the age of 26.
But the Selective Service System registration (”SSS Form 1″) and accompanying computer print-out (”SSS Print-out), below, released by the Selective Service show the oddities and irregularities, all of which indicate the document was created in 2008 and backdated.

Because his father was a British Subject, born in Kenya, under British jurisdiction. Obama was born with dual American & British citizenship. It's been said that 'What the Founders feared more than the plague was dual citizenship” because that meant dual allegiances and divided loyalty. To them, it was a national security issue, which is the reason they wanted two generations of loyalty for the Commander In Chief.

The evidence is an original longform Birth Certificate from Kenya and is probably the same one Obama mentioned “looking at” in “Dreams of My Father” on page 26.

In Obama’s home state, Illinois, Private Investigator Sankey tracked down 16 different addresses for a Barack Obama or a Barack H. Obama, of which all are addresses he was known to have lived at. Two Social Security numbers appear for these addresses, one beginning with 042 and one starting 364.
In California, where Obama attended Occidental College, there are six addresses listed for him, all within easy driving distance of the college. However, there are three Social Security numbers connected to these addresses, 537 and two others, each beginning with 999.
There are no addresses listed in New York where he attended Columbia University, but there is one listed for him in nearby Jackson, NJ, with a Social Security number beginning with 485.
In Massachusetts – where Obama attended Harvard Law School – we find three addresses, all using the 042 Social Security number. After Obama was elected to the United States Senate in 2005, he moved into an apartment at 300 Massachusetts Ave NW; the Social Security number attached to that address is the 042 one. Yet, three years later, Obama used a different Social Security number for an address listed as: 713 Hart Senate Office Building. This was the address of his United States Senate office. This Social Security number began with 282 and was verified by the government in 2008.

Why write the exact same comment on different articles? It won't make it true.

false. false. false. No where in the Constitution does it explicitly state that the president requires that both parents need to be American citizens. Also, there is also a precedent.

Wow. Alan Keyes must be really jealous of what another man actually accomplish things that Mr. Keyes can only dream of. It seems that an authenticated Hawaiian birth certificate trumps what you image from reading a book. If you haven't physically seen a specific Kenyan birth certificate then the Kenyan birth certificate in question doesn't exist.

The majority of the American public question Obama on many fronts to include his eligibility, his religious affiliation, his use of ACRON to steal the election from McCain, failure to support the students in Iran, his failure to present medical records, etc. and this list will keep growing while demand increases to remove him from office now not in 2012.

If that was true then he wouldn't have won the election. Also, we all know that he provided his medical records. Like really stop making things up, you make yourself look silly.

Think about it! All Obama must do is release the Birth Certificate he mentions “looking at” on page 26 of “Dreams of My Father” and his college records and that will be the end of it all. The BC will either prove he was natural-born in Hawaii or he wasn't. The college records will say which name and which citizenship he used in college. Everything will then be covered and Obama can get back to being president or he will have to resign.
God Bless Dr. Orly Taitz!

It has been said, but there is no proof of it. What the framers did was to
bar foreigners from becoming president, and to bar naturalized citizens
from being president. But they did not bar the US-born children of foreigners
from being president. That was the meaning of Natural Born at the time.
Moreover, under common law, when a person is born in the country, she or he
MUST have loyalty to that country. Dual Nationality does not take away that
obligation.

Moreover, under the rules of strict construction, you are not allowed to
“read into” the words of the framers. If they did not say that Natural Born
excludes dual nationals, they did not say it, and it is not the law.

There is legal proof, confirmed twice by the officials in Hawaii, that
Obama was born in Hawaii.

The National Review had this to say about the Kenya myth: “The theory that
Obama was born in Kenya, that he was smuggled into the U.S., and that his
parents somehow hoodwinked Hawaiian authorities into falsely certifying his
birth in Oahu, is crazy stuff.”

Think about it! Red Graham/Gunnyred/KitKat/BillyBob/Rumpelstiltskin/Rumpelmintz/Alfa Bett Bois/Asshole is so obsessed with a document that's been on public view since last August that he feels compelled to post under the names of ALL his personalities! Isn't that amazing!

Wrong from beginning to end.

Hi, Gummy Bear! Guess what – saying the same thing over and over won't make it true! Also, why use so many names? We know you use about a dozen.

You know, by replying to yourself you're only getting a reputation as a master debater as well as an idiot.

Already shown, and I'm defending it because you and your friends are prime examples of anti-American idiocy at its worst.

Wrong again, old sport. Quit changing your name.

You are a sad and pathetic individual, logging in under different names to approve of yourself.

Using cut and paste doesn't make your arguments more logically sound.

Hello Friend. I wouldn't be two concerned with multiple aliases. We know that 20 people showed up at Fox news to protest Bill bill O'reilly dismissal of birtherdom as being stupid. There aren't many but their are more than one. The people who spread the consparicy theory are more upset about an election loss, than respecting the legal principles of America and the safe guard put in place to ensure that it works.

You must understand the disillusion of those pushing the birther theory. They honestly believe that neither the State of Hawaii or the FBI would investigate this isssue, and that one person could do what neither agency could do. It seems that these people are just watching too much television. They just don't understand the difference between dramatization/fiction and the real world.

Hey Red, whatever happened to your prediction that Obama would be out of office by January 26th? Its now the 2nd and all of the Birther cases are still deader than Lester Maddox. Are you going to move the goalposts again? How does April sound? June?

Oh, I know! How about January 20th, 2017?

There is no goalpost, just a feeble attempt to explain away an election lost.

The game is over. The lights have been turned off. The goalposts have been taken down. However, running around in the dark banging into either other are those who subscribe to this birther conspiracy theory.

Already released over a year ago. Also, the President isn't a Communist, he's a Democrat. Why don't you go back to your John Birch Society meeting and leave the rest of us alone?

If a bunch of escaped mental patients got together and formed a political movement, they would call themselves the birthers.

So President Obama stole 9 million votes to defeat McCain by 53-47%? How does that work?

Also, federal law specifically states that anyone born on US soil is a natural born citizen, period.

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He HAD that birth certificate or his parents had it, a long time ago. Since then it has probably been lost. We know that he asked Hawaii for a birth certificate in 2007 and that Hawaii sent him the COLB, which is what it sends to everyone. The COLB is now the official birth certificate of Hawaii, and it is the only one that Hawaii now sends out. It no longer sends copies of the original birth certificate. (http://www.starbulletin.com/columnists/kokualin…

This, however, is the official birth certificate of Hawaii, and it has been repeatedly confirmed by the officials in Hawaii.

One root of this conspiracy theory is the belief that since Obama didn't post his original birth certificate that he must be hiding something. Out of consideration Obama released a version of his birth certificate that would be easier to read.

The supports of this conspiracy theory miss several important words on the COLB. One that states that the document is “proof of birth”, and another that states that the document must not be altered. Also, that the document is a legal document.

The concept that those words indicate are not the really complicated. However, those who engage in the childish birther conspiracy theory just ignore then.

The COLB is a legal document indicating the facts about a birth and it must not be altered in any way. With the State of Hawaii not disputing the authenticity of the COLB, is a clear indication that it is authentic.

That is it. Nothing more nothing less. With the high profile nature of this COLB any problems would have been addressed years ago. This is so simple that birthers just can admit it to themselves, because if they did 'they would find themselves talking to themselves in the dark.'

Democrat, Communist…..same thing. BC not released, just a phoney looking cert of live birth thats not worth the paper its written on. BO need to go.

Munipulating the english language “is, is” a commielib thing.

Republican, Fascist.. same thing.

Please open a dictionary not a children's dictionary and look of the mean of two words; certification and certificate. If you are really adventurous you can also do some research the root of both words.

Also, you might want to get a good book on English grammar.

If you don't know the difference between various political ideologies then that is your problem. Mixing then together doesn't solve anything just indicates that the person attempting to do it is confused.

Wow. So you have uncovered the world's largest conspiracy than has attempted to hide the nature of one person's birth. Go the FBI headquarters and start working today, with your genius you won't need to apply. You could probably solve many conspiracies before lunch. With out using legal principles you can stand in front of the judge and actually convince them about guilt.

Wow. You are really disillusioned. Just say “BO needs to go,” and leave out the other nonsense. It is obvious that you are just trying to explain away an election loss.

John Charlton: The Supreme Court case which will void the entire Obama presidency…
Nov. 25, 2009)— It is often asked whether the usurpation of the presidency by Barack Hussein Obama will ever have a remedy in the courts. But the fact is that there already is a remedy in the courts: the ruling of the Supreme Court of the United States in Marbury v. Madison, 5 U.S. 1 Cranch 137 137 (1803).
That case was the first to expressly indicate that no action of Congress was valid if it contravened the Constitution. Since the U.S. Constitution requires that a President be a natural born citizen; and since the Supreme Court has in 4 cases used the term “natural born citizen” only in reference to one born in the U.S.A. of parents who were citizens at the time of his birth, it follows inexorably that Obama’s election as president by the Joint Session of Congress, on January 8, 2009, is null and void. Against this legal conclusion there is no argument.

Repeat after me “There is no definition of natural born citizen in the U.S. Constitution.”

What is anti-american about seeing a birth certificate? If it says BO was born in the US, fine, If not BO's history and all you kool aid drinking commies can move to Cuba or China, to be with your political comrades. Untill it's made public, its not going away. My guess is someone will rat BO out. How's that HOPE and CHANGE working out? Oh, and while we're at it, lets see the records from his college days, and how about all those phoney SS#'s. I'm also curious about the good Rev. Wright and many of his Chicago pals. Gee, this just goes on and on. If your buds in the main stream media would have looked into any of this, I would sleep better at night.

Also, Marbury v. Madison has nothing to do with citizenship. You'll have to send your Acme Make-Your-Own-Legal-Precedent Kit back.

If BO is a problem, you need to use more deodorant.

It is the postion that those who have subscribed to the birther consparicy theory that is anti-America. America is a country that is government by the law. Birthers think that their conspiracy theory trumps a document that explicitly states “This copy serves as prima facie evidence of fact of birth (in any court proceeding).” Yes, your position is anti-America, actually it is against the rule of law.

If we apply the provisions of British and Kenyan law to the simple facts, which Obama claims about himself — though in truth there is no publically available documentation to confirm the truth of these facts — the inescapable conclusion is that Obama was born a British subject and is now, still to this day, a British subject: a Commonwealth citizen, to be exact. AKA: Illegal-alien

I'm sure Hawaii has the original BC on file whether from Kenya or the one you think Obama would “lose” after mentioning it in his first book. The BC survived until BHO was a responsible adult and then he somehow “lost” it?
You antibirthers don't want to know the truth.

In a message dated 1/5/2010 3:46:28 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
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I'm sure Hawaii has the original BC on file whether from Kenya or the one
you think Obama would “lose” after mentioning it in his first book. The BC
survived until BHO was a responsible adult and then he somehow “lost” it?

Hawaii does have the original on file. Hawaii will not give it out.
However, Hawaii officials have said twice that the original says that Obama was
born in Hawaii.

As for Obama losing his original BC. That is highly likely. Many people
lose their original birth certificates during moves. Very few people ask for
copies of their BCs when they already have the originals. Obama asked for a
copy of his BC in 2007.

If you would like to see the original, which cannot be from Kenya because
only Hawaii BCs were put in Hawaii birth files in 1961, petition Hawaii to
change the rules or the law. If they don't, it is their fault that it is not
given out, and they are under a Republican governor (Humm! Ever wonder why
it isn't given out?). But in any case, the official birth certificate of
Hawaii says born in Hawaii, and the officials in Hawaii have repeatedly
confirmed that Obama was born in Hawaii.

Sorry, but the Kenyan citizenship requirements are on the Kenyan Department of Immigration's web site. The President would have had to have renounced his American citizenship by his 23rd birthday to retain his Kenyan citizenship.

Try again, old sport.

Man you are confused. Why would Hawaii have an original Kenyan birth certificate, and from any other jurisdiction for that matter. If you don't understand jurisdictions keep all original documents, and only provide copies. Really, it isn't that hard of a concept to understand.

Top radio hosts, including Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Michael Savage, Mark Levin and Lou Dobbs, have all said unequivocally and publicly that the Obama eligibility issue is legitimate and worthy. Still no Birth Certificate, except the Kenyan one, his father was a “transient alien” Brit married to the underage mother. He was adopted as Indonesian-Moslem Barry Soetoro, attended college as a Foreign Student, visited Pakistan on unknown visa, travelled a few times to Kenya as a young man(perhaps to renew his citizenship?). And he has already paid well-over a million dollars to cover this stuff up. Without the original BC he mentions “looking at” in 'Dreams of My Father' on page 26 and those college records he is a man without a country. Grandma Obama & Kenyan Ambassador both stated Obama was born in Kenya. Why would people like Alan Keyes, Dr. Michael Savage, Pat Boone, etc. make this stuff up? And if they did why wouldn't Obama have them charged with LIBEL? because he himself knows all too well they are right and that Obama is indeed an illegal-alien. The king is not wearing any clothes.

Cut and paste again. He was looking at an article.

http://washingtonindependent.com/73069/glenn-be…

Luckly some birther posted the following passage

“I discovered this article, folded away among my birth certificate and old vaccination forms, when I was in high school. It's a short piece, with a photograph of him. No mention is made of my mother or me, and I'm left to wonder whether the omission was intentional on my father's part, in anticipation of his long departure. Perhaps the reporter failed to ask personal questions, intimidated by my father's imperious manner; or perhaps it was an editorial decision, not part of the simple story that they were looking for. I wonder, too, whether the omission caused a fight between my parents.”

He was looking at an article.

Please put your close back on you are embarrassing yourself.

Why has Obama employed a legion of private and Govt. attorneys to avoid
presenting a legitimate birth certificate and college records? Multiple SSNs? False Selective Service Registration?
How do you-or should I say why do you antibirthers fear the truth?

When you spread falsehoods and people find out, they just stop believing anything that you have to say. A birther looking for the truth now that is funny.

The truth is not a cheap paperback thriller. It's very boring, and that's why I'm not afraid of it:

The President was born in Hawaii. He is natural born. He is the legitimate President.

See? Not scary at all.

But O'Reilly, Ann Coulter and Glenn Beck say that the birther movement is crazy.

As does the National Review, which said: “The theory that Obama was born in Kenya, that he was smuggled into the U.S., and that his parents somehow hoodwinked Hawaiian authorities into falsely certifying his birth in Oahu, is crazy stuff.”

The birth certificate that you refer to has been proven to be a forgery by WND. (http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageI…)

Obama was never adopted. He attended school as a US student. He visited Pakistan on a US passport, and all the lawsuits were to stop the election or to bar Obama from being president, not for documents. Obama's Kenyan grandmother can clearly be heard saying “America, Hawaii” after the question “Whereabouts was he born?”

Obama mentions seeing his “Birth Certificate” on page 26 of 'Dreams of My Father'. Why won't he release THAT Birth Certificate? Unless it's from Kenya than I understand. Why not the college records unless he attended as a Foreign Student than I understand. On the face of the evidence that Obama Senior was a Kenyan-Brit/transient alien BHO cannot possibly meet the natural born citizen requirement of the Constitution. We need to put this imposter out on his ear ASAP.

You're still an idiot.

OCD kicking in again, paranoid birfer?

Would you bet your life that there is only one Barack Obama that has ever lived in the U.S.?

And you're still an idiot.

You're still an idiot.

OCD kicking in again, paranoid birfer?

Would you bet your life that there is only one Barack Obama that has ever lived in the U.S.?

And you're still an idiot.