Orly Taitz Ally Breaks Away, Says He Fell in Love With Her

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Monday, December 28, 2009 at 1:48 pm

The word for this is “strange.” For much of 2009, a disbarred attorney named Charles Lincoln played key roles in Orly Taitz’s multiple “birther” lawsuits against President Obama. Lincoln claimed to be a “law clerk” for Taitz, and he showed up again and again to file documents or assist her in court.

Last week, Lincoln went on his personal blog and filed a lengthy, emotional post confessing that he had fallen in love with Taitz — who is married — and been used by a “disloyal and treacherous person.”

By mid-October, when we were in New York together and Lucas Smith published his “declaration”, I had wrapped my life around Orly’s and I guess I honestly believed she had wrapped hers around mine and she said over and over again how much she was committed to me and how she never wanted us to separate. Three weeks later she had abandoned me, and yet some people have the nerve to call ME mentally unstable!  I am honest about where I come from. Orly is not. Orly used her words and promises to induce me as long as she wanted and then she dumped me with no regard to her promises whatsoever.

Lincoln attacks Taitz as an incompetent attorney who makes rash, stupid decisions, and has wasted the time and money of the “birther” movement — whose cause, he still believes, is just.

Orly’s lack of judgment in the handling of our relationship exactly paralleled her lack of judgment in handling the constitutional eligibility litigation. She needed me and probably still needs me in every possible way, but I don’t have her husband’s money and so she chose to DUMP me, to DUMP real love, for the illusion of piles of federal reserve notes and other credits, and she goes on with her reckless rage and fire.

Read the whole thing, and understand why I’ve been less concerned with Taitz than with the elected Republicans who have been willing to jump on board with this conspiracy.

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chrisjay
Comment posted December 28, 2009 @ 1:57 pm

After months of mocking Birfers, today's news has rendered me—for the moment—–speechless. Or not:
Orly!Please hear my plea! I wuv you, you crazy incompetent Birfer, you!!
I hate you!!Please take me back!! We'll pursue Obama past the gates of hell together!!


JJFAHL
Comment posted December 28, 2009 @ 2:02 pm

What this country really needs is a lot more mental health care.


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euphgeek
Comment posted December 28, 2009 @ 2:30 pm

Nirthers are by nature idiotic, delusional, mentally unstable, incompetent and a whole host of other similar adjectives. If they weren't, they would just accept the ironclad proof that Obama is a natural born U.S. citizen:

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in…
http://hawaii.gov/health/about/pr/2009/09-063.pdf
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article…
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article…
http://snopes.com/politics/obama/citizen.asp
http://snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertifica…


chrisjay
Comment posted December 28, 2009 @ 2:39 pm

love your sobbingBeck icon!


Antibirther
Comment posted December 28, 2009 @ 2:45 pm

Lincoln's in trouble in Florida for forging Orrly's signature on a document he filed in a rel estate case there.


Antibirther
Comment posted December 28, 2009 @ 2:47 pm

Orly is also having fun in California.

She just filed a motion to transfer the venue for a case AFTER it was dismissed with prejudice.


ellid
Comment posted December 28, 2009 @ 2:54 pm

Does this mean that the regents of the William Howard Taft School of Law for Mental Defectives will remove her overly-made up phiz from their publicity materials? She is, after all, their best known alumna.


ellid
Comment posted December 28, 2009 @ 2:54 pm

Wait a minute. I thought she was only licensed in California. Why is anyone trying to forge her signature in regards to a Florida real estate case?


margie11111
Comment posted December 28, 2009 @ 3:24 pm

You are too ignorant for me. A natural born citizen, is one born to citizen parents.Both parents must be citizens!!!!!!!!


Antibirther
Comment posted December 28, 2009 @ 3:42 pm

You are kidding. They are actually touting the fact that she is one of thiers?


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted December 28, 2009 @ 3:43 pm

Not according to U.S. law. You're wrong and you're an idiot.

Here's something to wrap your little pinhead around:
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/category/citizen…

Here's something else you are incapable of understanding:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/administration/presid…


Antibirther
Comment posted December 28, 2009 @ 3:48 pm

It's complicated. Chuck wanted her to appear pro hac vice, only she refused to (or was unable to) find a local attorney to sponser her (even shysters have ethics, apparently).

She signed a filing requesting Pro Hac Vice status. It was denied, Chuck resubmitted it as an amended motion with a questionable signature on it.

He apparently did that in the past with another attorney he conned into giving hi a signature stamp.

In any case, rather than stating that she had given him permission to file motions in her name, she left him hanging out to dry by ratting him out to the judge.

in the meantime, there are a couple of homeowners who fell for his scam that are being hosed. But that is their fault, since the facts about Chuck are easily found on the internet and they knew in advance that he was a disbarred lawyer.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted December 28, 2009 @ 3:49 pm

The United States Code (U.S.C.) is a compilation and codification of the general and permanent federal law of the United States.

SEC. 305. [8 U.S.C. 1405] A person born in Hawaii on or after August 12, 1898, and before April 30, 1900, is declared to be a citizen of the United States as of April 30, 1900. A person born in Hawaii on or after April 30, 1900, is a citizen of the United States at birth. A person who was a citizen of the Republic of Hawaii on August 12, 1898, is declared to be a citizen of the United States as of April 30, 1900.

Barack Obama is a natural born citizen of the state of Hawaii in the United States of America and legally and democratically elected to the office of President of the United States.


euphgeek
Comment posted December 28, 2009 @ 3:50 pm

Thanks for that demonstration of the idiotic, delusional, mentally unstable and incompetent nirther. You represent your fellow kooks and freaks well. Proof that Obama is a natural born U.S. citizen:

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in…
http://hawaii.gov/health/about/pr/2009/09-063.pdf
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article…
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article…
http://snopes.com/politics/obama/citizen.asp
http://snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertifica…


ellid
Comment posted December 28, 2009 @ 4:05 pm

Sorry, I was being sarcastic. As far as I know they haven't, but it wouldn't surprise me if they had considered it at one point.


ellid
Comment posted December 28, 2009 @ 4:05 pm

Wow. That is beyond sketchy.


ellid
Comment posted December 28, 2009 @ 4:05 pm

Wow. That is beyond sketchy.


ellid
Comment posted December 28, 2009 @ 4:06 pm

Wrong. There is nothing in either the Constitution or the case law specifying that a natural born citizen must be in turn be the child of two natural born citizens. Birth on American soil is enough.


monkey99
Comment posted December 28, 2009 @ 4:09 pm

I'm not sure the birfirs will accept even that. They constantly whine about how ignorant all of us who actually live, work, eat and sleep in reality are, and how we can't accept “facts” (?), yet consistently show the same thing in regard to a situation that has already been verified, over and over and over again.

It is said Stupidity is a condition, ignorance is a choice. I'll concede that the human race is ignorant when it comes to some things, but in their case, it has moved to the former, because for them it IS a condition.

What's next? proof of Obama being a foreigner printed on the bottom of dog food bags?


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted December 28, 2009 @ 4:27 pm

Well put. Birfoons living in constant paranoid, irrational fear are pathetic.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted December 28, 2009 @ 4:36 pm

I feel SOOOO sorry for Orly and Charles, NOT!


strangely_enough
Comment posted December 28, 2009 @ 4:37 pm

GBCW rants, er, letters are always so hard to read. Love lost, cases dismissed, and the guy with the money always gets the girl.
But, they'll always have the Central District of California


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted December 28, 2009 @ 4:41 pm

I think you have spent too much time listening to the “Moldovian Priestess”. I never thought I'd see this much stupidity in this country so it has to be a stupid virus that has caused what I would have considered ordinary citizens to become so stupid. This can not even be labeled ignorance.


MDC
Comment posted December 28, 2009 @ 4:45 pm

I love that he invokes “fiat money” scaremongering (“the illusion of piles of federal reserve notes”) in his attack on Taitz. Evidently he's a gold bug as well as a birther.


monkey99
Comment posted December 28, 2009 @ 4:48 pm

Yah, but it's so much fun to mock them. They just can't get enough of tarring and feathering. I alluded to stupidity because they see all the feathers they are spitting out, after going through the process so many times, yet they keep coming back for more!


iburl
Comment posted December 28, 2009 @ 5:06 pm

Whereas the 44th President of the United States, Barack Obama, was born in Hawaii on August 4, 1961

DEAL WITH IT BIRTHER!


peterprinciple
Comment posted December 28, 2009 @ 5:08 pm

“The word for this is 'strange.' ”

Actually, the word for that is “psychotic”. That blog post reads like a scene from Natural Born Killers.


Florida Christian
Comment posted December 28, 2009 @ 5:13 pm

This doesnt change the true fact that Obama is NOT an American citizen! I have definite proof in the form of an email someone forwared to me that Obama is a shape shifting reptile alien here to advance the Alien Overlord Agenda.

I you dumbocrats dont believe me, watch the documentary “V'.


monkey99
Comment posted December 28, 2009 @ 5:15 pm

GASP!

You mean he might be watching Glenn “car alarm” Beck the gold shill?

Hey, everybody, wait til' the economy turns, then you'll have a chance to buy the gold these poor chickens (oh wait, I see tar…..) bought at a loss, at really good prices, too!


monkey99
Comment posted December 28, 2009 @ 5:26 pm

Hey all,

I rest my case. (see below)


4EverLiberal
Comment posted December 28, 2009 @ 5:28 pm

Gosh, someone better notify all the Mexican citizens who come over the border in places like Texas & California to give birth in the U.S. so that their children are automatic U.S. citizens (with all Constitutional rights) that their travel will be for naught…..


surfermba
Comment posted December 28, 2009 @ 6:22 pm

You are assuming that he was born in Hawaii


thesheriffsani
Comment posted December 28, 2009 @ 7:29 pm

We know he was born in Hawaii.


thesheriffsani
Comment posted December 28, 2009 @ 7:32 pm

Why do you think the He-Man Hispanic Haters like 24Behind are so pro-Birther? Its a feature, not a bug.


stevelaudig
Comment posted December 28, 2009 @ 7:45 pm

Orly, an airport or a gift that just keeps on giving. Love the rug. That's no her real hair is it?


xcitizen
Comment posted December 28, 2009 @ 9:07 pm

They're all a bunch of delusional kooks out to ruin as many lives as possible and make as much $$$ as possible doing it. Crazy, kooky, wack-a-doodle kooks!


Chilidog
Comment posted December 28, 2009 @ 9:10 pm

Orly's latest

“Seeing targeted destruction of our economy, our security, dissipation of American jobs, massive corruption in the Government, Congress Department of Justice and Judiciary, it might be time to start rallies and protests using our second amendment right to bare arms and organise in militias.”


kittychi
Comment posted December 28, 2009 @ 9:25 pm

We have the right to bear arms. Michelle Obama has the right to BARE arms. Duh.


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joshuaos
Comment posted December 28, 2009 @ 10:29 pm

Her former alleged lover, Charles Lincoln, has an updated post on his blog (in response to comments he received on his Facebook page)
http://charleslincoln3.wordpress.com/2009/12/27…

Note: these posts flowed out of the discovery by hardworking Obots of an email Lincoln had posted to hi blog a couple of weeks ago. The original email has been removed from Lincoln's blog but those naughty obots kept a copy for posterity (my advise do not use the dental chairs at Orly's dental practice until you confirm they have been fumigated):
http://www.scribd.com/doc/24344673/LOVE-AND-THE…


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euphgeek
Comment posted December 28, 2009 @ 10:52 pm

What amazes me is that he actually posed for it!


Schmice
Comment posted December 28, 2009 @ 11:32 pm

That means that six of our Presidents should have disqualified. Thomas Jefferson, Andrew Jackson, James Buchanan, Chester Arthur, Wodrow
Wilson and Herbert Hoover. Any more of your thoughts on this issue?


tina
Comment posted December 28, 2009 @ 11:33 pm

That is not true. The constitution says that a citizen is someone who is born in the U.S. OR with parents born here. It does not say that both parents must be citizens.


monkey99
Comment posted December 29, 2009 @ 12:28 am

Sounds like we could have TWO caribou barbies? Be tough to gauge-we would be laughing so hard!


Dave
Comment posted December 29, 2009 @ 2:57 am

Any blog post that ends with eight exclamation points must automatically be true.


euphgeek
Comment posted December 29, 2009 @ 3:02 am

Well obviously they don't count because they were white.


charleslemos
Comment posted December 29, 2009 @ 6:06 am

Dave,

They don't pay you enough.


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Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted December 29, 2009 @ 10:13 am

I'm not assuming a damn thing. I'll believe the state of Hawaii over cowardly, deranged, paranoid, traitorous, mentally challenged, bigoted birfoons any day of the week.

STATEMENT BY HEALTH DIRECTOR CHIYOME FUKINO, M.D.
“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawai?i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai‘i State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai‘i and is a natural-born American citizen.”


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted December 29, 2009 @ 10:26 am

Someone should write an opera based on this affair.


jimmyrollins
Comment posted December 29, 2009 @ 10:55 am

holy wow. amazing! what a wonderful late christmas gift!


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted December 29, 2009 @ 12:49 pm

You have to admit. If it weren't for Orly, I would not know of William Howard Taft School of Law. I'm sure someone there is proud of her.


chrisjay
Comment posted December 29, 2009 @ 2:35 pm

prepare yourself for a CAPSLOCK assault


Antibirther
Comment posted December 29, 2009 @ 4:03 pm

I support the right to arm bears.


ellid
Comment posted December 29, 2009 @ 4:28 pm

Only if it's sponsored by Proctor & Gamble.


B^4
Comment posted December 29, 2009 @ 4:45 pm

Sarah Palin can see Orly's birthplace from her house.


youmustbejoking
Comment posted December 29, 2009 @ 5:11 pm

And you are too ignorant for words. No where in US law does it say that one must have two citizen parents. We have had other presidents who did not have two citizens parents. Seems like the US survived 'cause we're still here.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted December 29, 2009 @ 5:29 pm

I support the right to bare bears in addition to being able to bear bears. If I hauled around or had a a 500 lb Grizzly living with me, I'd be willing to bet no one would try to rob me.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted December 29, 2009 @ 5:31 pm

I had something sung in Italian with a full orchestra in mind. Oh, the tragedy endured….


youmustbejoking
Comment posted December 29, 2009 @ 6:36 pm

So not only is Oily the Queen of Birthers, she is also a temptress who winds her willing slave around her Moldavian fingers where he does all for her because she is going to do the work he needs for her, with her law license, to do. And, gasp, she proves to be a conniving liar, who is more concerned with her creature comforts than throwing herself on the sword of truth and justice with a man who can no longer hold a law license and evidently can't hold onto a home or freedom very well either. And this poor soul finds himself at the mercy of the courts, betrayed by his love, his soul mate, his champion of birthers everywhere. Now, disillusioned, with blinders removed, he sees the truth. She was willing to bend truth to fit her needs, was willing to throw others under the bus if they got in her way, willing to turn on those who wouldn't go along with her schemes and wasn't really committed to his quest for justice after all. She wasn't willing to shout out their love for the world to hear or tell her husband “See ya”. She wasn't going to be his partner in work and in life. She wasn't even going to see out the lawsuits she started. She, with questionable knowledge of law, is still filing away, those almost incomprehensible pleadings and briefs, of unconfirmed allegations and outright bogus claims, all the while claiming he has signed her name without her knowledge and consent. This paragon of ?truth? says someone else has cheated. And he, in his sorrow and pain, has finally understood, he was but another cog in her wheel, no longer needed, disposable.


ellid
Comment posted December 29, 2009 @ 8:02 pm

Ah yes. Charles Lincoln as Pagliacci, with Orly Taitz doing a pastiche of the Mad Scene from Lucia di Lammermoor, Judge Land as Il Commandatore, and Phil Berg as the Beaver. Can we rent the Met?


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chrisjay
Comment posted December 29, 2009 @ 11:53 pm

wouldn't it be easier/cheaper to just pitch this to the guys who produce those low-rent schlockfests on Lifetime or Oxygen?
…I think Proctor & Gamble WILL go for it!


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naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted December 30, 2009 @ 3:49 am

Hello Weigel,

Where is the birth certificate showing the Kapiolani as Obama's birth place? Have you had courage to ask anybody from the Obama campaign to show it to you, an independent media representative, LOL!!


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted December 30, 2009 @ 4:02 am

Why is it that DoH would not confirm that they issued the COLB to Obama on June 6, 2007?

Something does not add up. Dr. Fukino never said that Obama's original birth certificate indicates birth in Hawaii.

She would not comment on what documents were used to determine the NBC status mentioned in her statement.

Obama's vital records have been amended – that is why she cannot mention the original birth certificate and Hawaii birth in the same sentence.

The brave Commander in Chief continues to hide behind Dr. Fukino's skirt while sending soldiers to die in Afghanistan.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted December 30, 2009 @ 4:07 am

How do we know? Image of a COLB document posted on an Obama friendly web site is a proof?

Have you seen the original birth certificate, something similar to Nordyke twins certificates?


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted December 30, 2009 @ 4:12 am

Where is the original birth certificate?

For a person claiming Hawaii birth it is a trivial request. It would be much cheaper than hiring high priced law firm to fight for the dismissal of eligibility lawsuits.


Anonymous
Comment posted December 30, 2009 @ 9:16 am

The most important one is missing: The original birth certificate.


Anonymous
Comment posted December 30, 2009 @ 9:16 am

The most important one is missing: The original birth certificate.


Anonymous
Comment posted December 30, 2009 @ 9:26 am

Even liberal web sites could no get his birthplace right. Only after elections did snopes.com change the story and instead of Queens hospital reported Kapiolani as Obama’s birthplace.

This happened after Obama sent a letter to Kapiolani congratulating them on 100 year anniversary (in January 2009). In the letter Obama mentioned that he was born there.

If there was nothing to hide, why has he fought for the DISMISSAL of eligibility lawsuits?
He does not want facts to be examined. He would rather have Obots vouching for him than prove the eligibility it in the court of law.


Anonymous
Comment posted December 30, 2009 @ 9:26 am

Even liberal web sites could no get his birthplace right. Only after elections did snopes.com change the story and instead of Queens hospital reported Kapiolani as Obama’s birthplace.

This happened after Obama sent a letter to Kapiolani congratulating them on 100 year anniversary (in January 2009). In the letter Obama mentioned that he was born there.

If there was nothing to hide, why has he fought for the DISMISSAL of eligibility lawsuits?
He does not want facts to be examined. He would rather have Obots vouching for him than prove the eligibility it in the court of law.


ellid
Comment posted December 30, 2009 @ 7:50 am

Oh no, NC. We all know that that was posted over a year. Where's *your* reaction to Orly Taitz's adultery, and Charles Lincoln's accusations of her incompetence? Come on, tell us how it feels to find out that your standard bearer is a lousy attorney who cheated on her husband and humiliated her family!


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted December 30, 2009 @ 9:09 am

The birth certificate is not news worthy. Journalists tend to choose items that are informative and entertaining.


ellid
Comment posted December 30, 2009 @ 9:21 am

Better than having Charles Lincoln posting bad smut on the Internet about Orly Taitz and her “blue blood.”

Not only are you wrong about the President, your favorite attorney's ex-boyfriend just called her a lousy excuse for a lawyer. Why are you still listening? Are you really that stupid?


ellid
Comment posted December 30, 2009 @ 9:22 am

Your arguments are as worn out and cliched as Charles Lincoln's ode to the sparkling candle-brightness of Orly Taitz's eyes.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted December 30, 2009 @ 12:17 pm

The eligibility story is not about Orly but an Usurper-in-Chief.

You cannot rationally defend Obama's hiding of trivial documents about his birthplace, that is why you keep attacking those who question his eligibility.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted December 30, 2009 @ 12:25 pm

No document showing Kapiolani as Obama's birthplace has been presented to the public.

I know you feel more comfortable discussing personal lives of those questioning Obama. However that is not relevant for Obama's eligibility to serve as POTUS.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted December 30, 2009 @ 12:29 pm

Weigel is a partisan hack – he wrote numerous personal attacks on those questioning Obama's eligibility.

They should change the name of the site from Washington Independent to Washington Obots.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted December 30, 2009 @ 12:54 pm

I love the smell of burning birthers in the morning….


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted December 30, 2009 @ 12:59 pm

How is your “truther” mission going on?

With Obama in the White House and Democrats in control of Congress you would think that Bush's “insider” job on 9/11 would have been exposed by now.

You made a fine progress: from Truther to Obot, LOL!


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted December 30, 2009 @ 1:02 pm

Boo hoo hoo. Poor birther doesn't get to see the original BC. The COB shows he was born in Honolulu. That's in Hawaii. That's all birfers need to know.

As far as discussing the personal lives' of the birthtards, that's more entertaining than discussing the fact that Obama is the president and a natural born citizen. Seriously, I laugh a lot harder when I read about a person that gets what they have coming when they go around and try to undo an election and use a bunch of lies just because they're not happy with who was elected. On the other hand, what is happening in Orly and Charlie's world is true. Better to discuss the truth than lies.


euphgeek
Comment posted December 30, 2009 @ 6:03 pm

Unnecessary. All that is needed is an official Certification of Live Birth which is the name of the official birth certificate in Hawaii. That certificate was produced by the Obama campaign back in June 2008. Here is all the proof that is needed that Obama is a natural born U.S. citizen:

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
http://hawaii.gov/health/about/pr/2009/09-063.pdf
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jun/27/obamas-birth-certificate-part-ii/
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2009/jul/01/obamas-birth-certificate-final-chapter-time-we-mea/
http://snopes.com/politics/obama/citizen.asp
http://snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp


euphgeek
Comment posted December 30, 2009 @ 6:07 pm

For a person claiming Hawaiian birth, all that is necessary is the Certification of Live Birth. The state of Hawaii does not issue the original. All the indisputable proof that Obama is a natural born U.S. citizen is right here:

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
http://hawaii.gov/health/about/pr/2009/09-063.pdf
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jun/27/obamas-birth-certificate-part-ii/
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2009/jul/01/obamas-birth-certificate-final-chapter-time-we-mea/
http://snopes.com/politics/obama/citizen.asp
http://snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted December 30, 2009 @ 1:08 pm

Not sure what you mean by 'truther'. I never claimed to be one, though I initially fell into that conspiracy after 9/11 – I never discussed it with anyone nor did I post in any comments to blogs claiming that Bush was responsible. In fact, I came to my senses way before I let such a rabid thought infiliterate my good senses. No matter how much I disliked Bush and hoped that Berg would be successful in his lawsuit for the widow of one of the victims, I came to the realization that there was no truth to it.

Unlike you. You've soaked enough garbage into your feeble mind that you can not even provide a good argument or debate the subject. Once you've been proven wrong, time and time again, you turn around and start the same argument over from the beginning. How about some orginality? The least you could do is write that Obama was actually born to baboons and thus not human.


ellid
Comment posted December 30, 2009 @ 1:20 pm

Sorry, but pointing out that birthers are wrong, that Orly Taitz has a mail-order law school diploma, and that Charles Lincoln was disbarred is not “writing personal attacks.” It's called “reporting,” and you would know the difference if you had taken my advice and gone back to school to learn to read and write proper English.

Also, the President was born in Hawaii and is natural born.


ellid
Comment posted December 30, 2009 @ 1:21 pm

The hospital name isn't legally required.

Answer the question put to you for once.


jayhg
Comment posted December 30, 2009 @ 1:39 pm

nc, neither is the name of the hospital to prove President Obama's eligility……..but you already know that, which is why you don't want to dig deep into your “family values” to call Oily what she is, which is a hypocritical idiot who hooked with an even bigger idiot who has now turne don her!!

And besides all that, it is not up to President Obama to prove ANYTHING……if you don't believe he was born here, stop whining and asking folks to give you some information about him and YOU bring the proof of your accusations…..you idiot!!


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted December 30, 2009 @ 1:47 pm

The birfer is a paranoid, brain damaged fool who resorts to the same specious, lame bullshit ad nauseam.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted December 30, 2009 @ 6:49 pm

Specious and irrelevant. You’re a paranoid asshole and an idiot.


ellid
Comment posted December 30, 2009 @ 2:35 pm

It needs to be in the original Klingon.


ellid
Comment posted December 30, 2009 @ 2:36 pm

No, I simply keep pointing out over and over again that you are wrong. The President was born in Hawaii, he is a natural born citizen, and Orly Taitz is such a lousy excuse for an attorney that her own lover denounced her as incompetent.


Anonymous
Comment posted December 30, 2009 @ 7:37 pm

The legal birth certificate was released over a year ago, as you well know. Nothing else is required.


Anonymous
Comment posted December 30, 2009 @ 7:41 pm

Oh, this is rich. You know so little about the law that you are now advocating that the President NOT defend himself in a legal proceeding. What an un-American fool you are.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted December 30, 2009 @ 3:59 pm

The same snopes.com claimed Queens hospital as Obama's birthplace until earlier this year when they switched to Kapiolani.

factcheck.org: How did they verify the COLB document:
Did they check that registration number 10641 belongs to Obama: NO
Did they confirm with DoH that COLB was issued to Obama on June 6, 2007: NO.
Did they find an explanation of what the phrase “Filed By Registrar” means: NO.
They are in the business of providing cover for Obama.

Dr. Fukino never said in one sentence that Obama's original birth certificate indicates Hawaii birth. She did not answer the question about which documents were used to reach the conclusion stated in her second press-release.

Where is the original birth certificate? What is there to hide from US public: the name of the hospital or the attending physician, LOL!

What is your definition of a natural born citizen?


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted December 30, 2009 @ 4:07 pm

You have made a posty declaring yourself as a former “truther” some time ago on this web site.

That is why I was surprised to read a recent post from you indicating that you still have some doubts about the “truther” issue.

The fact is that nobody has seen the original birth certificate for Obama – the one that would indicate the Kapiolani as his birthplace. Why is it hidden from US public?
You can dance around the issue – it should be a trivial thing for a US born person to prove it.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted December 30, 2009 @ 4:08 pm

What is COB?


euphgeek
Comment posted December 30, 2009 @ 4:20 pm

Snopes updates their information when it is inaccurate. FactCheck and PolitiFact did the necessary research to verify that Obama was born in Hawaii. Dr. Fukino did indeed verify that Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural born U.S. citizen. Your criticism of the ironclad proof I supplied is laughable. Proof that Obama is a natural born U.S. citizen:

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in…
http://hawaii.gov/health/about/pr/2009/09-063.pdf
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article…
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article…
http://snopes.com/politics/obama/citizen.asp
http://snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertifica…


ellid
Comment posted December 30, 2009 @ 4:32 pm

Answer the question. How does it feel to know that the Queen of the Birther is an adulteress and a lousy attorney?


Anonymous
Comment posted December 30, 2009 @ 9:34 pm

Why are you still parroting the discredited legal theory of an adulteress? For once, answer the question.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted December 30, 2009 @ 4:39 pm

I do not care about her personal life. It is irrelevant to the story of Obama's eligibility.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted December 30, 2009 @ 4:45 pm

Yes, I admitted that I initially fell into believing that Bush had something to do with 9/11 and I know I also wrote that it didn't last long before I came to my senses. I know I sure didn't obsess on it as you have with Obama's birth certificate.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted December 30, 2009 @ 4:47 pm

How did “factcheck.org” verify COLB presented to them? How do they know it is not a forged document? They did not verify any information shown in that document to make sure it is an authentic document.

How come that “snopes.com” got the “correct” hospiptal only after elections?

Where is the link to Fukino's first press-release statement from October 2008? Why did you omit that one – it illustrates her intention to use the misleading language to imply Obama's birth in Hawaii without saying it herself.

Her second press-release came out few hours after the resolution by Congress proclaiming Obama's Hawaiian birth. Did she use Congress as a cover for her statement? We do not know because she refuses to comment on the issue.

It is unfortunate thjat she would not say in one sentence that the original birth certificate indicates that Obama was born in Hawaii.

She would not even confirm that DoH issued COLB to Obama on June 6, 2007?


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted December 30, 2009 @ 4:48 pm

Birthers get off on the fact that a foreign born person can get a COLB in Hawaii. This is true. However, on the COLB it shows where the person was born. On Obama's COLB, it shows Honolulu.

Regardless, it wouldn't matter if they saw the original birth certificate. It would be deemed a forgery. You can't argue with stupid.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted December 30, 2009 @ 4:49 pm

It's what is in your ass.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted December 30, 2009 @ 4:51 pm

Oh, but it is totally relevant. It shows that Orly has no decency or integrity as she demands from others. It shows she's a natural born liar and she has continuously attempted to discredit our President with her lies.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted December 30, 2009 @ 5:00 pm

How do you manage to get out of bed in the morning? How do you manage to figure out how to eat so that you can sustain life? How come you ask the same stupid questions over and over again?


HRCin2012
Comment posted December 30, 2009 @ 5:05 pm

Once the original Birth Certificate Obama mentions “looking at” on page 26 of “Dreams of My Father” and the college records are released those crazy berftards won't really have much of anything left to base their claims on.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted December 30, 2009 @ 5:12 pm

No Obama supporter has provided a logical answer to those questions.

You are irritated because not everyone believes in Obama's official (whatever the current one is) birth story.


euphgeek
Comment posted December 30, 2009 @ 5:42 pm

Your questions are irrelevant and ridiculous. Hawaii has confirmed that Obama was born there and is a natural born citizen. Proof that Obama is a natural born U.S. citizen:

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in…
http://hawaii.gov/health/about/pr/2009/09-063.pdf
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article…
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article…
http://snopes.com/politics/obama/citizen.asp
http://snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertifica…


euphgeek
Comment posted December 30, 2009 @ 5:44 pm

Probably because the questions themselves are not logical. He is irritated most likely because nirthers continue to beat a dead horse since the proof Obama is a natural born U.S. citizen is right here:

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in…
http://hawaii.gov/health/about/pr/2009/09-063.pdf
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article…
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article…
http://snopes.com/politics/obama/citizen.asp
http://snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertifica…


euphgeek
Comment posted December 30, 2009 @ 5:45 pm

Bingo.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted December 30, 2009 @ 5:56 pm

How many links should I put as a “proof” of government claims that Iraq had WMDs?

You refused to answer my questions about your links, what are you afraid of?
You are confident in Obama's eligibility for the office, aren't you?


euphgeek
Comment posted December 30, 2009 @ 5:58 pm

You can put as many links as you like about the proof of Iraqi WMDs (although you might want to share those links with Bush, as he thinks we didn't find any). I stand by the ironclad proof I supplied that Obama is a natural born U.S. citizen:

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in…
http://hawaii.gov/health/about/pr/2009/09-063.pdf
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article…
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article…
http://snopes.com/politics/obama/citizen.asp
http://snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertifica…


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naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted December 30, 2009 @ 6:01 pm

A person born in the USA, elected to the highest office would not behave the way Obama does. If he truly wanted to unite the country, questions about eligibility for office should have been answered without any hesitation and those asking them should not have been attacked and harrased.

Thesee actions only inflame the suspicion that Obama is not eligibile for the office. Why would you attack anybody asking the eligibility question if you had an irrefutable proof of birth in Hawaii?

Obama promised transparency and change in tone in Washington. It seems to me that those were empty campaign promises.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted December 30, 2009 @ 6:11 pm

A person can file for amendment of their birth records.

To answer your question we need to know the meaning of phrases “Filed By Registrar” and 'Accepted by State Registrar” as used on Hawaii COLBs.

The first one appears on Obama's COLB. In Nevada it means that not enough evidence was supplied at the time when registration was filed. Once the required documentation is available the registration is Accepted by the state registrar.

The question is – why does DoH hide the explanation of these two phrases and their use in Hawaii?
If Obama is a legitimate US born citizen, tell us what those COLB phrases mean – what is so secretive about it?
The explanation would confirm Obama's story, would it not?


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted December 30, 2009 @ 6:14 pm

Will you apply the same standard and judge Obama based on statements made by Larry Sinclair in his book?


Anonymous
Comment posted December 30, 2009 @ 11:28 pm

Are you reffering to the COLB posted on factcheck.org – the same document that DoH refused to confirm as authentic?


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted December 30, 2009 @ 6:33 pm

Did we find those WMD mobile units Powel described in his presentation to UN? He even showed photos of storage sites.

What happened to his “ironclad” claims about WMDs? As George Tennet said to Bush: The case is a “slam dunk”, LOL!!!

Could you show me a link describing the definition of a natural born citizen?


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted December 30, 2009 @ 6:36 pm

Nice try Gunny, aka NC, aka pisswad, aka goober, aka snotball.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted December 30, 2009 @ 6:38 pm

It is not up to us to provide logical answers as to why you are stupid.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted December 30, 2009 @ 6:40 pm

What's the point? Nothing that has been given to you as absolute proof will suffice. You prefer to believe in made up shit so providing you with his 'vault copy' BC will only make you believe he is hiding something else or it is a fake.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted December 30, 2009 @ 6:41 pm

You need to know the meaning of just plain stupid.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted December 30, 2009 @ 6:44 pm

Considering Larry Sinclair's history of being a convicted felon, I don't believe anything he has to write – including his affidavit that Orly asked him to lie – though that part is probably true.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted December 30, 2009 @ 7:07 pm

The name of the hospital is relevant to check whether Obama is telling the truth. Until January 2009 it was reported on Obama friendly web site (snopes.com) that his birth place was Queens hospital. His sister said the same thing few years earlier in an interview to a newspaper.

Even after numerous eligibility lawsuits that were raised few months before the elections, the snopes.com did not change the web site information until the letter from Obama to Kapiolani surfaced (Jan, 2009). When World Net Daily started asking questions about validity of this letter, the birth hospital information was changed to Kapiolani.

It is even more commical that after the WND inquiry the Kapiolani hospital removed the letter from their web site. I really do not understand this move. If Obama was indeed born there and sent a congratulatory letter to Kapiolani, why would they hide his letter from public? Are they not proud that a US president was born in their facility?

If DoH followed the law and released the public information we could easily verify whether Obama was born in Hawaii. Their behavior tells me that something is not right with Obama's birth records.


Anonymous
Comment posted December 31, 2009 @ 12:41 am

But she ended her post with so many pretty exclamation marks!! The more exlamation marks, the more truthiness the post contains!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted December 30, 2009 @ 9:06 pm

None of those links describe the definition of a natural born citizen.

How can Dr. Fukino claim something that is not defined in the Constitution?


monkey99
Comment posted December 30, 2009 @ 9:07 pm

Hey, euphgeek!

The horse has been dead for a year……probably stinks something awful, but apparently it doesn't faze the bugs (my new parlance) because they have no olfactory senses. (along with working brains)

It's like seeing someone on your front lawn, naked, smearing excrement all over themselves, right in front of your living room window. It's disgusting, but it makes you wonder why they would do something like that. Repeatedly.
No one calls a cop, because we're laughing so hard!


Anonymous
Comment posted December 31, 2009 @ 2:40 am

Email correspondence between a US citizen and Dr. Fukino one day prior to her public press-release is a very interesting read. Dr. Fukino was asked to release the amended birth certificate data for Obama. She denied access to it, implicitly confirming that such document exists. According to Hawaii law, she can only deny access to documents that are maintained by DoH. If requested documents do not exist she is supposed to mention it in her response.

In her press-release Dr. Fukino never said what source was used (original birth certificate, the amended one, or something else) for her statement that Obama was born in Hawaii. It is of course “a coincidence” that her statement was issued just few hours after the Congress declaration about Hawaii and Obama’s birth.

If there was nothing to hide she could have simply said that the original birth certificate indicates Hawaii birth. She issued two press-releases on the topic and never said that.

We have a commander-in-chief hiding behind Dr. Fukino’s skirt while sending soldiers to die in Afghanistan. What happened to the promise of transparency in government. Was it just another campaign lie?


ellid
Comment posted December 30, 2009 @ 9:55 pm

Or are you Keyes4Prez today, or Palin4Prez? Sorry, old sport, but your secret is out.


ellid
Comment posted December 30, 2009 @ 9:56 pm

How can you continue to spout debunked talking points originated by an adulteress and a liar?


ellid
Comment posted December 30, 2009 @ 9:58 pm

I am irritated because you are ignorant and seem to enjoy it.


ellid
Comment posted December 30, 2009 @ 10:00 pm

Asking for an amended birth record is done in the case of a legal name or gender change, in the case of second person adoptions, or when a child is adopted by a stepparent. None of these apply in the case of President Obama, so why you would think his birth certificate would need to be amended is beyond me.

Also, why do you continue to believe the lies of Orly Taitz?


ellid
Comment posted December 30, 2009 @ 10:01 pm

Answer the question. We've answered yours for the last several months. It also goes to the question of why Orly Taitz should be trusted about anything when she's cheated on her husband and used her ex-boyfriend to draft her legal briefs.


Anonymous
Comment posted December 31, 2009 @ 3:02 am

Larry Sinclair flunked a lie detector test and is a convicted felon. Why should I listen to a word he says?


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted December 30, 2009 @ 10:22 pm

I am not ignorant.
It is your choice to believe everything government officials say. Given the recent history of lies told by government officials we cannot take their words for granted particularly in case when the verification is supposed to be a simple task.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted December 30, 2009 @ 10:31 pm

How do you know that none of those apply to Obama? Do you have access to DoH records?

Dr. Fukino was asked explicitly to release the amended BC for Obama and she denied access to it.
The proper response under the UIPA law would have been to mention that such documents did not exist (if your version is true).

This story did not originate with Orly Taitz. She does not have a coppyright on the issue of challenging the Obama's eligibility. She is neither the first nor the last person asking the eligibility question.


ellid
Comment posted December 30, 2009 @ 11:34 pm

I repeat:

You are ignorant and seem to enjoy it.


ellid
Comment posted December 30, 2009 @ 11:35 pm

You still haven't explained why you support the talking points of a bad lawyer and worse wife.


ellid
Comment posted December 30, 2009 @ 11:36 pm

He was born in Hawaii. Deal with it.


Anonymous
Comment posted December 31, 2009 @ 4:37 am

Answer the question.


RedGraham
Comment posted December 31, 2009 @ 1:32 am

It doesn't “eat at” me that Obama is almost half-black. We are long overdue for an ethnic minority president. In fact I was proud of my country when the formerly pro-slavery party of Klansman Byrd & Al Gore's father made Obama the Democratic nominee. I once voted for a blackman, Alan Keyes, for president and would have gladly voted for Colin Powell or Condi Rice if they got the GOP nomination.
It doesn't eat at me that BHO was elected in large part to voter fraud. FDR & JFK benefited from voter fraud as well. And it really doesn't eat at me that Obama is a Moslem and a socialist. Our First Amendement gives us all Freedom OF Religion and I suffered through eight years of that liberal draft-dodger Clinton.
The thing that eats at me is that former ambassador and presidential candidate Alan Keyes is called “crazy” and “a sore loser” for simply pointing out the fact that Obama is not a natural-born U.S. citizen and therefore ineligible to even run for president. Keyes has no reason to lie about this and has a reputation of honesty. Obama(if that is his real name) is a known liar and has all the reason in the world to conceal his true citizenship.
I expect Democrats to go along with this facade but am very disappointed in congressional Republicans for not making hay of this issue. Thank God there are selfless people like Phillip Berg, Orly Taitz, and many others who will continue to press for the truth. The original Birth Certificate and release of Obama's college records would put a halt to birther's claims.


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euphgeek
Comment posted December 31, 2009 @ 2:35 am

Because if it's not defined in the Constitution, then by the 10th Amendment to the Constitution it is by definition left to the states. And by the 14th Amendment, all the other states must accept that. If Hawaii says Obama is a natural born citizen, then he is.


euphgeek
Comment posted December 31, 2009 @ 2:36 am

Exactly. These nirthers insist on exposing their extreme ignorance and mental illness for the whole world to see. Smacking them down is fun.


Anonymous
Comment posted December 31, 2009 @ 7:50 am

I’ll believe it when I see that Obama has the original birth certificate similar to the one shown for Nordyke twins.

As an alternative, a verification of the COLB content would be sufficient as well.


euphgeek
Comment posted December 31, 2009 @ 2:53 am

When government officials like the state of Hawaii have the final say on matters such as this one, there is no choice but to believe them. Not believing them is like not believing the federal government that the piece of paper you got from the bank with “Federal Reserve Note” printed on it and numbers in the corners is actually money because it doesn't specifically say “money” anywhere on it.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted December 31, 2009 @ 2:53 am

What is the Hawaii definition of a natural born Citizen?

Is it the same as the definition for a “natural-born American citizen”?


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted December 31, 2009 @ 3:02 am

The answer to your question is in the last section of my previous post.


euphgeek
Comment posted December 31, 2009 @ 3:03 am

Let's see your proof that there was any voter fraud in the 2008 election or any other election. Or any proof that Obama is a Muslim or a socialist. You mention Clinton's draft dodging but you fail to mention Cheney's or Bush's. And yes, Keyes is both crazy and a sore loser, just like all the rest of you nirthers. He has no reputation for honesty and Obama is not a known liar. Only crazy people are still pushing the nirther issue. Even far right wing web sites that used to crow about it daily are a bit more subdued now. Who knows? You guys might join the ranks of the sane once again (if you were ever there) and accept the ironclad proof that Obama is a natural born U.S. citizen:

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in…
http://hawaii.gov/health/about/pr/2009/09-063.pdf
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article…
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article…
http://snopes.com/politics/obama/citizen.asp
http://snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertifica…


euphgeek
Comment posted December 31, 2009 @ 3:32 am

Anyone who was born on U.S. soil except the children of diplomats or other such similar persons are natural born U.S. citizens.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted December 31, 2009 @ 3:37 am

I hope you are not serious about blind acceptance of words spoken by government officials.

If you were and the majority of citizens agreed with you, the tyranny would be just a few corrupt government officials away.

There is a reason why the State of Hawaii has a law (UIPA) to enable access to government documents.

Informed citizens represent the cornerstone of a free society.


ellid
Comment posted December 31, 2009 @ 7:28 am

Answer the question. It goes to your core belief, since Orly Taitz has been the public face of the birther movement.

Your failure to answer this simple question is yet more proof of your ignorance of American custom, language, and law.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted December 31, 2009 @ 9:18 am

Kicking them when they're down is why I participate. People like NC seem to think they can sway us to their thinking by posting the same nonsense day after day. One of the commenters on Orly's website wrote that they need to get out in force to spread the word.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted December 31, 2009 @ 9:30 am

The original Birth Certificate and release of Obama's college records would put a halt to birther's claims.

Yes, I'm positive that the release of such records, especially the original BC will put this all to rest. I'm as sure of that as the wonderful offer I received in an email this morning to buy ocean front property in Arizona.


ellid
Comment posted December 31, 2009 @ 11:05 am

Cut it out, BillyBob.


Anonymous
Comment posted December 31, 2009 @ 4:09 pm

The birth certificate issued last summer has been verified, repeatedly. That your English is so poor that you cannot understand the plain meaning of Drs. Fukino and Okubo is not their fault.

Find a new hobby. You are wrong.


Anonymous
Comment posted December 31, 2009 @ 4:09 pm

The birth certificate issued last summer has been verified, repeatedly. That your English is so poor that you cannot understand the plain meaning of Drs. Fukino and Okubo is not their fault.

Find a new hobby. You are wrong.


Anonymous
Comment posted December 31, 2009 @ 4:09 pm

The birth certificate issued last summer has been verified, repeatedly. That your English is so poor that you cannot understand the plain meaning of Drs. Fukino and Okubo is not their fault.

Find a new hobby. You are wrong.


jayhg
Comment posted December 31, 2009 @ 11:58 am

Alan Keyes is called “crazy” and “a sore loser” because that is how he behaves, redfrahamcracker….and quite with the talk about the hospital President Obama was born in – if you get that information – then you will be satisfied that he was born there. That's just more birfer bullshit…..and if Clinton was a draft dodger, what do you call Dick Cheney, who took every deferrment under the sun to avoid Vietnam!!??


jayhg
Comment posted December 31, 2009 @ 12:00 pm

He stuck it up your ass, NC………


jayhg
Comment posted December 31, 2009 @ 12:03 pm

you are to…….ignorant, that is….but I suspect you know that already.


monkey99
Comment posted December 31, 2009 @ 12:16 pm

!LOL! Oh man, my sides are aching!


smrstrauss
Comment posted December 31, 2009 @ 12:33 pm

Re: “simply pointing out the fact that Obama is not a natural-born U.S. citizen and therefore ineligible to even run for president. “

Keyes is simply wrong. Obama was born in Hawaii, as his official birth certificate shows, And the facts on that document were repeatedly confirmed by the officials in Hawaii, and they certainly have no reason to lie since they are members of a Republican administration.

Obama is a Natural Born Citizen because Natural Born simply means born in the country. Yale Law Rview wrote: “It is well settled that “native-born” citizens, those born in the United States, qualify as natural born.”

And such prominent conservative Senators who are also lawyers as Orren Hatch and Lindsay Graham say that a Natural Born Citizen is simply one who was born in the USA:

Senator Lindsey Graham (R-SC), said:

“Every child born in the United States is a natural-born United States citizen except for the children of diplomats.” (December 11, 2008 letter to constituent)

Senator Orrin G. Hatch (R-UT), said:

“What is a natural born citizen? Clearly, someone born within the United States or one of its territories is a natural born citizen.” (Senate Judiciary Committee hearing hearing on OCTOBER 5, 2004)

The Wall Street Journal wrote: “Some birthers imagine that there is a difference between being a “citizen by birth” or a “native citizen” on the one hand and a “natural born” citizen on the other. “Eccentric” is too kind a word for this notion, which is either daft or dishonest. All three terms are identical in meaning.”


smrstrauss
Comment posted December 31, 2009 @ 12:36 pm

Obama HAD the original birth certificate. Since then it has probably been lost. Lots of people lose their birth certificates. We know that Hawaii sends out only the short form birth certificate now.

The college records will not be released. They are private, like all college records. One thing is certain, however, Obama was never a citizen of Indonesia, as both the Indonesian governement and the US State Department have said.


smrstrauss
Comment posted December 31, 2009 @ 12:38 pm

The official birth certificate of Hawaii is a short-form birth certificate. That is all that Hawaii sends out.


smrstrauss
Comment posted December 31, 2009 @ 12:42 pm

The phrase Natural Born Citizen is not a special legal phrase that needs to be defined. It was commonly used at the time of the writing of the Constitution, and it always meant “citizen by birth because he was born in the country.”

It is like Ohio-born, which always means “born in Ohio.”

As late as World War I, men who registered for the draft were asked whether they were citizens, and if they were they were asked “are you naturalized or Natural Born?”


smrstrauss
Comment posted December 31, 2009 @ 12:48 pm

UIPA does not allow access to documents that are private. All birth certificates are private. However, the officials in Hawaii have repeatedly confirmed that the facts on the original birth certificate show that Obama was born in Hawaii. This confirms the facts on the COLB, the notices in the newspapers (which were sent for births in Hawaii, and not for births outside of Hawaii) and the recollection of this witness, who recalls being told of Obama's birth in 1961 (http://www.buffalonews.com/494/story/554495.html)


Anonymous
Comment posted December 31, 2009 @ 5:50 pm

Re: “The fact is that nobody has seen the original birth certificate for Obama – the one that would indicate the Kapiolani as his birthplace. Why is it hidden from US public? ”

Because he has shown the OFFICIAL birth certificate, and the facts on it were repeatedly confirmed by the officials in Hawaii.

The Wall Street Journal said: “Obama has already provided a legal birth certificate demonstrating that he was born in Hawaii. No one has produced any serious evidence to the contrary. Absent such evidence, it is unreasonable to deny that Obama has met the burden of proof. We know that he was born in Honolulu as surely as we know that Bill Clinton was born in Hope, Ark., or George W. Bush in New Haven, Conn.

The release of the obsolete birth certificate would not “resolve the issue” to those for whom it is not already resolved. They claim without basis that today’s birth certificate is a fake; there is nothing to stop them from claiming without basis that yesterday’s is as well.

The president would gain nothing politically for his trouble. By acknowledging the birthers’ demands, he would lend them a modicum of credibility.”


Anonymous
Comment posted December 31, 2009 @ 5:50 pm

Re: “The fact is that nobody has seen the original birth certificate for Obama – the one that would indicate the Kapiolani as his birthplace. Why is it hidden from US public? ”

Because he has shown the OFFICIAL birth certificate, and the facts on it were repeatedly confirmed by the officials in Hawaii.

The Wall Street Journal said: “Obama has already provided a legal birth certificate demonstrating that he was born in Hawaii. No one has produced any serious evidence to the contrary. Absent such evidence, it is unreasonable to deny that Obama has met the burden of proof. We know that he was born in Honolulu as surely as we know that Bill Clinton was born in Hope, Ark., or George W. Bush in New Haven, Conn.

The release of the obsolete birth certificate would not “resolve the issue” to those for whom it is not already resolved. They claim without basis that today’s birth certificate is a fake; there is nothing to stop them from claiming without basis that yesterday’s is as well.

The president would gain nothing politically for his trouble. By acknowledging the birthers’ demands, he would lend them a modicum of credibility.”


Anonymous
Comment posted December 31, 2009 @ 5:55 pm

Actually, amendments to birth certificates can be done for really minor things, like misspellings. I don’t think that there is any proof that Obama’s document was amended, but if it was, it would likely be for something like a misspelling.


Anonymous
Comment posted December 31, 2009 @ 5:55 pm

Actually, amendments to birth certificates can be done for really minor things, like misspellings. I don’t think that there is any proof that Obama’s document was amended, but if it was, it would likely be for something like a misspelling.


euphgeek
Comment posted December 31, 2009 @ 12:56 pm

And there you have it. You have just exposed yourself (even if inadvertently) as someone who will never be satisfied with any proof that Obama is a natural born U.S. citizen. If you're not satisfied with an image of the official government document and the words of the Hawaiian department of health and the governor of Hawaii, then no proof will ever satisfy you. Why ask for the original birth certificate? After all, it would come from the government officials and believing them would lead to tyranny, right? See, this is why Obama refuses to even acknowledge you people and your unreasonable requests. Because nothing ever satisfies you. I've even seen the ridiculous claim that he was preparing an original birth certificate using an old style typewriter and then aging it under a UV lamp. Others make the absolutely stupid claim that where he's born doesn't matter because his father wasn't a citizen. So there's no point in releasing any more documents because it will do nothing to stop the idiocy.


euphgeek
Comment posted December 31, 2009 @ 1:06 pm

I've noticed that ever since Orly lost that case with the judge who was in the Marine Corps, the whole movement seems a bit subdued. Almost as if they're starting to realize that they're never going to win. People like NC and Gunny are the last gasp of a dying or dead movement. They just haven't moved through all the stages of grief yet.


Anonymous
Comment posted December 31, 2009 @ 6:11 pm

This proves nothing. We are supposed to believe the birther who says that Hawaii must answer X if it has a document and must answer Y if it does not. Or, Fukino could simply have concluded that since privacy laws prevent access to the files, no one could see the document if it was amended or NOT amended.

Finally, the statements of the officials are unambiguous. The documents SHOW that Obama was born in Hawaii. YOu should be reminded that these are officials in a Republican governor’s administration. IF there were anything ambiguous about the files, they would have said “ambiguous.” Instead, they said that the files show that Obama was born in Hawaii, confirming the notices in the newspapers, and the recollection of this witness (http://www.buffalonews.com/494/story/554495.html)


Anonymous
Comment posted December 31, 2009 @ 6:11 pm

This proves nothing. We are supposed to believe the birther who says that Hawaii must answer X if it has a document and must answer Y if it does not. Or, Fukino could simply have concluded that since privacy laws prevent access to the files, no one could see the document if it was amended or NOT amended.

Finally, the statements of the officials are unambiguous. The documents SHOW that Obama was born in Hawaii. YOu should be reminded that these are officials in a Republican governor’s administration. IF there were anything ambiguous about the files, they would have said “ambiguous.” Instead, they said that the files show that Obama was born in Hawaii, confirming the notices in the newspapers, and the recollection of this witness (http://www.buffalonews.com/494/story/554495.html)


Anonymous
Comment posted December 31, 2009 @ 6:11 pm

This proves nothing. We are supposed to believe the birther who says that Hawaii must answer X if it has a document and must answer Y if it does not. Or, Fukino could simply have concluded that since privacy laws prevent access to the files, no one could see the document if it was amended or NOT amended.

Finally, the statements of the officials are unambiguous. The documents SHOW that Obama was born in Hawaii. YOu should be reminded that these are officials in a Republican governor’s administration. IF there were anything ambiguous about the files, they would have said “ambiguous.” Instead, they said that the files show that Obama was born in Hawaii, confirming the notices in the newspapers, and the recollection of this witness (http://www.buffalonews.com/494/story/554495.html)


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted December 31, 2009 @ 3:20 pm

Why is it that DoH would not confirm that they issued a COLB to Obama on June 6, 2007? How difficult is that? Why are they ignoring requests from citizens for such confirmation?

If the COLB was legitimate and it was sufficient proof of Obama's Hawaii birth, we would have been informed long time ago about the meaning of the phrases “Filed by Registrar” and “Accepted by State Registrar” used on Hawaii COLBs. Why would DoH hide this information from public? It is a trivial request and they are silent.

The similar is true regarding request for index data related to registration number 10641. The DoH does not want to confirm it. Why? What is so secretive about number 10641?


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted December 31, 2009 @ 3:24 pm

Could you confirm if my understanding of your definition is correct:

Children born in USA of illegal aliens are NBCs.

Children born abroad of US citizen parents are not NBCs.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted December 31, 2009 @ 3:32 pm

Nobody has confirmed the information shown in Obama's COLB.

Could you explain the meaning of the phrase “Filed By Registrar” as shown on Obama's COLB?

What is the difference between that one and the phrase “Accepted by State Registrar”, which is also used on Hawaii COLBs.

Journalists have reported Obama's birth in three different countries and two different Hawaii hospitals. It is obvious that none of those reports is sufficient for official confirmation of Obama's birthplace.

We need to see the original birth certificate – the one on file in DoH archive showing the Kapiolani as birth hospital (if such document ever existed).


Anonymous
Comment posted December 31, 2009 @ 8:45 pm

How do you know that Obama has shown the OFFICIAL document. You have to trust the word of Obama and Joe Miller (factcheck.org).

I have sent several requests to factcheck.org for clarification of methods they used to verify the information about COLB and received no response from them. They did not verify anything. They provide cover for Obama.

No other president has hidden personal information like Obama. We cannot corroborate the birth information with college records.

A true leader and patriot would not have allowed the escalation of eligibility requests to the point of even a single lawsuit. What is there to hide?

Obama is a coward hiding behind Dr. Fukino’s skirt while sending troops to die in Afghanistan. Soldiers deserve to know the truth about their commander’s eligibility to serve.

Attacks and ridicule of those who question Obama’s eligibility is another indicator that something is not quite right about his claim of Hawaii birth.

His behavior would have been different if there was nothing to hide.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted December 31, 2009 @ 5:29 pm

Your first sentence is irrelevant. People born in other countries also have original birth certificates (issued by their birth country).

The question is whether Obama had an original issued by the State of Hawaii? You can only assume and speculate like the rest of us.

The DoH would not confirm that they issued a COLB to Obama on June 6, 2007. Why not?

Why is it that even after elections his college records are sealed? Would they reveal that he was registered as a foreign student? That is the only reason that would explain keeping the college records hidden from public.

His behavior does not fit with a presumed behavior of a president who has nothing to hide. Why would he keep the questions of eligibility around. He promised the change of tone in Washingotn DC and transparency in government, remember the slogan “Hope and Change”. Were those just empty words?


smrstrauss
Comment posted December 31, 2009 @ 5:39 pm

Yes, there has been official confirmation of the facts, The two officials
in Hawaii, members of a Republican governor's administration, have
repeatedly confirmed that Obama was born in Hawaii.

Most recently, the statement was:

“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawaii State Department of Health,
have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State
Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and
is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this
statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months
ago….”

Notice the words “verifying that Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii.”
The statement said in short that the document in the files shows that
Obama was born in Hawaii. This is confirmation of the facts on the
Certification of Live Birth which also says that he was born in Hawaii.
There is also this statement by the spokeswoman for the department:
Quotes:
Does this mean Obama was born in Hawaii?
“Yes,” said Hawaii Health Department spokeswoman Janice Okubo, in both
email and telephone interviews with the Tribune. “That's what Dr. Fukino is
saying.”
In addition to these two confirmations, there are the notices in the
newspapers, which were sent out by the government of Hawaii at the time, and
they were only sent out for births IN Hawaii, and there is this witness, who
recalls being told of Obama's birth in Hawaii in 1961.
(_http://www.buffalonews.com/494/story/554495.html_
(http://www.buffalonews.com/494/story/554495.html) )


Anonymous
Comment posted December 31, 2009 @ 10:44 pm

Check the language used in Weigel’s writing. An independent and objective journalist would refrain from ridiculing subjects of his articles. Let the facts tell the story.

What is the meaning of the phrase “natural born” in your last sentence? Is it a medical term, LOL!?


smrstrauss
Comment posted December 31, 2009 @ 5:46 pm

You ask: “Children born in USA of illegal aliens are NBCs.”

Yes. Children born in Ohio are Ohio-born. Children born in the USA are
Natural Born under the original definition. Yale Law Review wrote: It is well
settled that “native-born” citizens, those born in the United States,
qualify as natural born.” That does not mean that we have to vote for the
children of illegal aliens, only that they are eligible.

You also ask: “Children born abroad of US citizen parents are not NBCs.”

They MAY be NBCs, but only because laws were passed from time to time that
defined the children of US parents born abroad as NBC. This is not the
original definition, and the question of whether a US law can amend the
definition is in doubt (though I think it can). So, I believe that children of US
parents born abroad are Natural Born US citizens, but it is by no means as
certain as the fact that ALL children born in the USA are Natural Born
(except for the children of foreign diplomats).


Anonymous
Comment posted December 31, 2009 @ 10:57 pm

Re: “How do you know that Obama has shown the OFFICIAL document. You have
to trust the word of Obama and Joe Miller (factcheck.org).”

The Certification of Live Birth, which is what Obama showed, is the
OFFICIAL birth certificate of Hawaii.
(_http://www.starbulletin.com/columnists/kokualine/20090606_kokua_line.html_
(http://www.starbulletin.com/columnists/kokualine/20090606_kokua_line.html) ) And it is accepted by all the
departments in Hawaii (yes, including DHHL. I checked.) as proof of birth in Hawaii,
and by the US State Department and the branches of the US military as proof
of birth in the USA>

Re: “I have sent several requests to factcheck.org for clarification of
methods they used to verify the information about COLB and received no
response from them. They did not verify anything. They provide cover for Obama. ”

Who did McCain, Bush, Clinton, Pappy Bush, Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon, or
LBJ show their birth certificates to? Obama posted the official birth
certificate and showed the physical copy to both FactCheck and Politifact.

Neither of these are document experts. They simply compared the document
with other COLBs. But their confirmation is irrelevant. What really counts is
the repeated confirmation of the officials in Hawaii (who are members of a
Republican governor’s administration) that the documents in the file show
that Obama was born in Hawaii.

Re: “No other president has hidden personal information like Obama. We
cannot corroborate the birth information with college records. ”

NOT much of a reader of history are you? NO president has ever shown his
birth certificate before. NO president has ever shown college records (WND
has examples of some that were leaked, but they were NOT released by the
president.)

Re: “A true leader and patriot would not have allowed the escalation of
eligibility requests to the point of even a single lawsuit. What is there to
hide? ”

A true president does not dignify liars by replying to them. Yes, some
birthers are liars. The ones who keep repeating that Obama’s grandmother said
that he was born in Kenya (she said that he was born in Hawaii) and the ones
who keep on saying that Obama could not use a US passport to visit
Pakistan in 1981 because it was on a “no travel list” (It wasn’t.)

Re: “Soldiers deserve to know the truth about their commander’s
eligibility to serve.”

Obama has shown the official birth certificate. He has proven that he was
born in the USA.

Re: “Attacks and ridicule of those who question Obama’s eligibility is
another indicator that something is not quite right about his claim of Hawaii
birth. ”

He was born in Hawaii, as the birth certificate shows.

Re: “His behavior would have been different if there was nothing to hide.”

There is nothing to hide. He was born in Hawaii.

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smrstrauss
Comment posted December 31, 2009 @ 6:03 pm

Re: “Why is it that DoH would not confirm that they issued a COLB to Obama
on June 6, 2007? How difficult is that? Why are they ignoring requests
from citizens for such confirmation?”

Because they do not have to. They figure that they have answered enough
questions and the more that they answer, the more that get asked. The key
question is was Obama born in Hawaii? The answer to that, on the document and
in the two statements by the officials is YES.

Re: “If the COLB was legitimate and it was sufficient proof of Obama's
Hawaii birth, we would have been informed long time ago about the meaning of
the phrases “Filed by Registrar” and “Accepted by State Registrar” used on
Hawaii COLBs. Why would DoH hide this information from public? It is a
trivial request and they are silent.”

Because they know that the more questions they answer, the more that get
asked. They do not have to answer (and by the way, remember that they are
members of a Republican governor's administration.)

Re: “The similar is true regarding request for index data related to
registration number 10641. The DoH does not want to confirm it. Why? What is so
secretive about number 10641? “

The law is that they do not have to answer. They are being swamped with
questions. The key fact is that they have said twice that Obama was born in
Hawaii, which confirms the COLB, and the notices in the newspapers (which
were not sent out for births outside of Hawaii) and the recollection of the
witness. And there is not a shred of proof or even reasonable speculation
that Obama was born anywhere else than Hawaii.

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smrstrauss
Comment posted December 31, 2009 @ 6:15 pm

Re: “Your first sentence is irrelevant. People born in other countries
also have original birth certificates (issued by their birth country).”

Yes, but NOT in the files of the Hawaii Department of Health. And, in 1961
when Obama was born, it was not allowed to file the birth certificates of
foreign countries in Hawaii DoH files. ONLY those of Hawaii could be filed.

Re: “The question is whether Obama had an original issued by the State of
Hawaii? You can only assume and speculate like the rest of us. “

The officials in Hawaii repeatedly say that the document in the files shows
that Obama was born in Hawaii.

“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawaii State Department of Health,
have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State
Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and
is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this
statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months
ago.”

Re: “The DoH would not confirm that they issued a COLB to Obama on June 6,
2007. Why not?”

Because they are members of a Republican governor's administration (?) Or
because it is irrelevant. What matters is that he was born in Hawaii, and
they have said that twice. Or perhaps they are getting tired of this drivel.

IF they did NOT issue a COLB to Obama on June 6 2007, don't you think that
they would have said?

Re: “Why is it that even after elections his college records are sealed?
Would they reveal that he was registered as a foreign student? That is the
only reason that would explain keeping the college records hidden from
public.”

His records are not sealed; they are private like all other college
records. No president has ever shown detailed college records, and there is no
law that says that a president has to show them. However, we do know that
Obama was never a citizen of Indonesia because both Indonesia's government and
the US State Department have said so. (And because it is virtually
impossible for a US child to lose his citizenship either through his own action or
through the action of his parents, and it is ABSOLUTELY impossible for that
to have happened without a record of it happening, and no such record has
been found.)

Re: “Why would he keep the questions of eligibility around?”

Because the birthers get much of their information from sources that lie,
like the ones who claim that Obamas' grandmother said he was born in Kenya
(She said he was born in Hawaii), and the ones that say that Obama lost his
citizenship (Impossible) and the ones who keep on saying that Obama had to
use a foreign birth certificate to travel to Pakistan in 1981 because it
was on a no-travel list (It wasn't on a no-travel list and any US citizen
could travel for tourism on a US passport. Indeed, they welcomed tourists.)


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted December 31, 2009 @ 7:27 pm

You are an Obama apologist, not interested in verifying his claims but providing excuses for the lack of transparency about his birth place.

The DoH has not answered any relevant question related to COLB verification.

They did not say twice that Obama was born in Hawaii. Only in the July 2009 press release by Dr. Fukino she mentioned Hawaii birth but did not say that original birth certificate was used as a basis for her statement. The timing of her statement is suspicious, just few hours after the declarative proclamation by the Congress about Obama's Hawaii birth. The previous day Dr. Fukino got a request from a US citizen about releasing the amended Obama's birth certificate. She denied access to it, thus implicitly confirming its existence. As somebody who has read Donofrio's blog at the time you are familiar with these facts.

In the state of Nevada the term “Filed by Registrar” means that not sufficient evidence is on file for registration to be accepted.

Why is it a secret how Hawaii uses this term? According to UIPA law, this information is in the public domain. They could put it on a government web page the same way as Nevada did.

Index data is also in the public domain. The DoH refuses to provide the index data when the request is made using the registration number 10641. Could it be that this number does not belong to Obama?

The easiest way for Obama to stop the birthplace questions would be authorization of the release of the original birth certificate that is supposed to be in the DoH archive.

That would discredit all the reports of his birth in foreign countries.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted December 31, 2009 @ 7:52 pm

The fact is that DoH refuses to confirm that COLB was issued to Obama on June 6, 2007? Why?

Let us assume that I am an employer and I want to verify that an applicant (person X) is a US citizen. My company has a contract with US government and it is important that people working on the project are US citizens.
Applicant has given me a paper copy of a COLB claiming Hawaii birthplace.

How would I verify that the document is authentic and not a forgery?

Let us assume that I decided to send a letter to Hawaii DoH asking for the confirmation that COLB was issued to Person X on a specific date (as stated on the document) and explaining that confirmation is needed as part of the job application.

Would they provide an answer to my request?


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted December 31, 2009 @ 8:00 pm

No statement from DoH says that the original birth CERTIFICATE indicates Obama's birth in Hawaii. Dr. Fukino was very careful in avoiding this simple language.

This leads me to believe that there is something else on record that is used as a “proof” of his Hawaiian birth.


katahdin
Comment posted December 31, 2009 @ 9:14 pm

Bill Clinton actually did submit himself to the draft and drew a high lottery number. He placed himself at more risk than either Bush or Cheney ever did. But that's Republicans all over. Strut around and boast of war, than run away squealing in terror at the prospect of actual shooting.


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Jo
Comment posted January 1, 2010 @ 1:39 am

smrstrauss – Please show us precisely when and where ANYONE has officially stated OR proven “…Obama was born in Hawaii, as his official birth certificate shows, And the facts on that document were repeatedly confirmed by the officials in Hawaii…”. What “…official birth certificate…” are you referring to? No “…official birth certificate…” has YET been publicly released. An image on a webpage does NOT constitute an official document under ANY existing legal standard. NO “…facts on that document were repeatedly confirmed by the officials in Hawaii…”, you are wildly distorting (lying) a statement to fit your story line – how can such a statement as yours possibly be factual when no such document has been made available to the public? To say you are a pathological liar would be much too polite, you are a PAID LIAR! The courts have NEVER ruled that birthplace alone can confer “natural born Citizen” status. NO state official has EVER officially stated “Obama was born in Hawai'i”. NO person with the capacity to make a legally binding determination has EVER ruled that “Barack Hussein Obama II is a natural born Citizen” of the United States” – EVER! If you want to challenge my assertions, quote the ENTIRE STATEMENTS of said “public officials”, not the bits and pieces you have chosen to make your fable SEEM legitimate to those who are uninformed. Shame on you and the rest of your PAID LIAR co-workers at DOJ!


Jo
Comment posted January 1, 2010 @ 1:40 am

smrstrauss – Please show us precisely when and where ANYONE has officially stated OR proven “…Obama was born in Hawaii, as his official birth certificate shows, And the facts on that document were repeatedly confirmed by the officials in Hawaii…”. What “…official birth certificate…” are you referring to? No “…official birth certificate…” has YET been publicly released. An image on a webpage does NOT constitute an official document under ANY existing legal standard. NO “…facts on that document were repeatedly confirmed by the officials in Hawaii…”, you are wildly distorting (lying) a statement to fit your story line – how can such a statement as yours possibly be factual when no such document has been made available to the public? To say you are a pathological liar would be much too polite, you are a PAID LIAR! The courts have NEVER ruled that birthplace alone can confer “natural born Citizen” status. NO state official has EVER officially stated “Obama was born in Hawai'i”. NO person with the capacity to make a legally binding determination has EVER ruled that “Barack Hussein Obama II is a natural born Citizen” of the United States” – EVER! If you want to challenge my assertions, quote the ENTIRE STATEMENTS of said “public officials”, not the bits and pieces you have chosen to make your fable SEEM legitimate to those who are uninformed. Shame on you, liar!


Jo
Comment posted January 1, 2010 @ 2:06 am

From “Fight the Smears” and “FactCheck.org” – “When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.
Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4,1982.” NO PERSON CAN LEGALLY BE “governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948″, and at the same time legitimately claim to be a “natural born Citizen” of the United States. “…Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.” – that is an ABSOLUTE CONFESSION that Vattel's “Law of Nations” is the recognized authority on such matters! ALL THE DOJ PAID LIARS (“KEYBOARD CRACK WHORES”) POSTING ON BEHALF OF and IN SUPPORT OF OBAMA ARE QUITE SIMPLY “FOS” and, AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME, THE MAJORITY of AMERICA REALIZES OBAMA IS NOT A “NATURAL BORN CITIZEN”, THUS HE IS NOT LEGALLY THE PRESIDENT…Thanks SOOO much for keeping this issue alive, the more you VERY OBVIOUS Obama PAID LIARS post, the more people become curious as to why you “doth protest too much”, then they research the laws and thus become fully aware of Obama's MASSIVE DECEPTION. Your idiotically conceived and executed “cover up” plan has completely backfired, just as the similar “Watergate conspiracy” cover up finally, after over two years, ripped itself apart and forced RICHARD M. NIXON from office! THANK YOU!


ellid
Comment posted January 1, 2010 @ 2:17 am

Oh, look. Someone hasn't had their meds adjusted.


ellid
Comment posted January 1, 2010 @ 2:18 am

Anyone got a padded cell and a straitjacket?


ellid
Comment posted January 1, 2010 @ 2:19 am

Y'know, reading crap like this makes me think that there's something to the old wives' tales about mental patients and the full moon.


Jo
Comment posted January 1, 2010 @ 2:28 am

Ohhh, now 'ol delusional “ellid” is attempting to play doctor AND lawyer!


Jo
Comment posted January 1, 2010 @ 2:43 am

euphgeek – Not ONE of your links shows that ANY party possessing the meet and proper legal authority has EVER issued an official legal ruling stating that Obama is a “natural born Citizen”. You may as well have posted links to comic book pages, you frigging idiot! Such b/s as contained in your comment is to be expected from you ignorant Obama supporters. Ronald McDonald is a much less obvious clown than you morons! Have you dimwits ever stopped to wonder where all the people who used to argue with you for hours on end have gone? They've learned that you folks and Obama are just plain LYING and they're now reading the websites of the various attorneys which state REAL law, not your twisted b/s. You haven't converted ANYONE to your way of thinking, you've done just the opposite with literally MILLIONS of voters. BYE, YOU SIMPLE MINDED PAID LIARS!


Jo
Comment posted January 1, 2010 @ 2:58 am

NO party possessing meet and proper legal authority has EVER issued an official and legally binding ruling stating that “Obama is a natural born Citizen”. Ronald McDonald is a much less obvious clown than you Obama PAID LIARS! Have you dimwits ever stopped to wonder where all the people who used to argue with you for hours on end have gone? They've learned that you folks, Holder, and Obama are just plain old dirty LIARS and they're now reading and learning from the websites of highly competent attorneys which state REAL law, not your twisted and childish b/s. You haven't converted ANYONE to your way of thinking, you've done just the opposite with literally MILLIONS of voters. Obama's popularity is now in free fall and nothing can stop it – people have educated themselves as to the facts and “wised up”. FAT TRACY RUSSO and MANY OTHER ARE HEADED STRAIGHT FOR FEDERAL PRISON FOR VIOLATING THE “HATCH ACT”. BYE, YOU SIMPLE MINDED CRIMINALS!


euphgeek
Comment posted January 1, 2010 @ 2:58 am

Wow, the first sentence and already your first lie. The second link above shows the director of the Hawaiian Department of Health saying that Obama is a natural born U.S. citizen. But then again I've learned to expect nothing but lies from you nirthers. That and insanity, stupidity, paranoia and the inability to admit that you're wrong.


Jo
Comment posted January 1, 2010 @ 3:07 am

euphgeek – You are the liar, the second link proves NOTHING and carries NO legal weight whatsoever. Sorry, but “…the director of the Hawaiian Department of Health..” possesses absolutely NO legal authority to make such a determination, ONLY a federal judge or Congress can do so. If a Hawai'i state official declares “the sun now rises in the west”, that would not be a correct statement, either. Law is obviously a subject you know nothing about, fool. Congratulations, you clown!


euphgeek
Comment posted January 1, 2010 @ 3:44 am

You're the one who knows nothing about law, moron. The state of Hawaii has the final say on who is and is not a natural born U.S. citizen. They are the ones who issue the birth certificates, not federal judges or Congress. If you were not lying, then you were just plain stupid.


euphgeek
Comment posted January 1, 2010 @ 3:58 am

And by the way, genius, the direction the sun rises in is not a legal matter. Congratulations on showing yourself to be a complete and utter fool.


euphgeek
Comment posted January 1, 2010 @ 4:02 am

He's obviously many more times qualified than you are in both fields.


smrstrauss
Comment posted January 1, 2010 @ 10:07 am

Re: “You are an Obama apologist, not interested in verifying his claims
but providing excuses for the lack of transparency about his birth place.”

I am citing facts. The facts are that (1) he has the official birth
certificate of Hawaii; (2) the officials in Hawaii have verified the facts on it
twice (and I have already shown the quotations); (3) the fact of his birth
in Hawaii is further verified by the notices in the newspapers (which were
sent out by the government in Hawaii and only for births in Hawaii) and (4)
There is confirmation by a witness who remembers being told of his birth in
Hawaii in 1961. Also, there is not the shred of proof or even intelligent
speculation that Obama was born anywhere else than Hawaii. His Kenyan
grandmother certainly did not say that he was born in Kenya. She said that he
was born in Hawaii.

These are facts.

Re: “The DoH has not answered any relevant question related to COLB
verification. “

Too bad. They are members of a Republican governor's administration.

Re; “They did not say twice that Obama was born in Hawaii.
They said it twice.

(1)

Quotes:
Does this mean Obama was born in Hawaii?
“Yes,” said Hawaii Health Department spokeswoman Janice Okubo, in both
email and telephone interviews with the Tribune. “That's what Dr. Fukino is
saying.” (
_http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/11/obama_hawaaianborn_
citizen_for.html_
(http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog…)
End Quotes
(2)
“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawaii State Department of Health,
have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii
State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and
is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this
statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months
ago….”

Notice the words: VERIFYING THAAT BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA WAS BORN IN HAWAII.
Notice the words: “Yes, that is what it means” in response to the question:
“Does this mean that Obama was born in Hawaii?”

Re: “In the state of Nevada the term “Filed by Registrar” means that not
sufficient evidence is on file for registration to be accepted. “
Nevada is not Hawaii.

Re: “Why is it a secret how Hawaii uses this term? According to UIPA
law, this information is in the public domain. They could put it on a
government web page the same way as Nevada did.”

Terribly bad. All explained by the fact that they are members of a
Republican governor's administration.

Re” Index data is also in the public domain. The DoH refuses to provide
the index data when the request is made using the registration number 10641.
Could it be that this number does not belong to Obama? “

Terribly bad. All explained by the fact that they are members of a
Republican governor's administration

Re: “The easiest way for Obama to stop the birthplace questions would be
authorization of the release of the original birth certificate that is
supposed to be in the DoH archive. “

The original will show, as the officials in the DoH have said twice, that
Obama was born in Hawaii. Obama cannot force Hawaii to release the original.
Only Hawaii's government, under a Republican governor, can make that
decision.

Re: “That would discredit all the reports of his birth in foreign
countries.”

You cannot be born in a foreign country and get to the USA without proof of
you being born in a foreign country. That is because you need a US travel
document such as a visa. There is not the slightest proof that Obama was
born in Kenya. His Kenyan grandmother never said that he was born in Kenya
(and it is almost as unlikely as his being born on the moon. Pregnant women
rarely traveled in 1961, and US pregnant women never traveled to countries
where Yellow Fever was endemic because it is really bad for the kid.)


ellid
Comment posted January 1, 2010 @ 10:11 am

Looks like someone is cranky on this fine morning. I'd bet they ran out of their meds and couldn't get to the store before it closed.


ellid
Comment posted January 1, 2010 @ 10:13 am

“She,” actually. Let's be strictly accurate :)

*smiles gently and calls psychiatrist before Jo can be a threat to herself or others*


ellid
Comment posted January 1, 2010 @ 10:15 am

You keep saying “bye” and yet persist in replying. Perhaps you should make up your mind before someone slams a door on part of your body?


smrstrauss
Comment posted January 1, 2010 @ 10:17 am

Re: “The fact is that DoH refuses to confirm that COLB was issued to Obama
on June 6, 2007? Why?”
Answer: They are members of a Republican governor's administration.

Re: “Would they provide an answer to my request?”

If they don't, you can blame them. But you cannot blame Obama because he
does not have a copy of the original. He only has what Hawaii provided him.

However, the officials in Hawaii must be pretty irritated by now. They have
said twice that Obama was born in Hawaii. Would there be any point in
forging a COLB if you can (and did) get a COLB that says on it “born in Hawaii”
by merely paying the $10, which of course is what Obama did. In other
words, if you verify the facts on the COLB, you verify the COLB.

Also, I notice that you did not claim that any previous president was not
born where he claimed to have been born. There was no posted or in any way
shown birth certificate for Bush, Clinton, LBJ. JFK, or Eisenhower. In this
case, a group of nuts say that the officials of the State of Hawaii must be
repeatedly lying about Obama's place of birth even though they are members
of a Republican governor's administration and there is not the slightest
shred of proof or even intelligent speculation that Obama was born anywhere
else than Hawaii.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 1, 2010 @ 3:23 pm

Re: “No statement from DoH says that the original birth CERTIFICATE
indicates Obama’s birth in Hawaii. Dr. Fukino was very careful in avoiding this
simple language. ”

The statements says that there is proof that Obama was born in Hawaii.

(1)

Quotes:

Does this mean Obama was born in Hawaii?
“Yes,” said Hawaii Health Department spokeswoman Janice Okubo, in both
email and telephone interviews with the Tribune. “That’s what Dr. Fukino is
saying.”
(2)
“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawaii State Department of Health,
have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State
Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and
is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this
statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months
ago….”
Notice the words VERIFYING…WAS BORN IN HAWAII.
Also, they are members of a Republican governor’s administration. They
would get in serious trouble if they were lying or misleading about the
documents saying that Obama was born in Hawaii. Also, there are the notices in the
newspapers, which were sent out for births in Hawaii by the government at
the time, and the recollection of the witness who remembers being told of a
birth to a woman named Stanley in 1961
(_http://www.buffalonews.com/494/story/554495.html_ (http://www.buffalonews.com/494/story/554495.html) )


ellid
Comment posted January 1, 2010 @ 10:24 am

You don't begin by assuming the document is a forgery, for one. If it has a governmental seal on it (which the President's does) and a governmental serial number (which the President's does) and is issued by a state (which the President's is), it's authentic and can be used to verify eligibility to work in the United States.

Just like the President's.


euphgeek
Comment posted January 1, 2010 @ 11:51 am

OK, sorry, “she.” :)


smrstrauss
Comment posted January 1, 2010 @ 12:52 pm

Dual Nationality has no effect on Natural Born status. To think so is to think that a foreign law can take away the normal capabilities of a US-born child. It is like saying “I agree that if Mexico were to pass a law making all the children born in Texas Mexican citizens, that means that none of the children born in Texas are eligible to be president.”

Since this makes no sense, you can see that the rule is quite simple, a foreign law has no effect. Moreover, the original meaning of Natural Born, as confirmed by the Supreme Court in the Wong Kim Ark case was simply “born in the country.”

That is why such prominent conservative Senators who are also lawyers as Orren Hatch and Lindsay Graham say that a Natural Born Citizen is simply one who was born in the USA:

Senator Lindsey Graham (R-SC), said:

“Every child born in the United States is a natural-born United States citizen except for the children of diplomats.” (December 11, 2008 letter to constituent)

Senator Orrin G. Hatch (R-UT), said:

“What is a natural born citizen? Clearly, someone born within the United States or one of its territories is a natural born citizen.” (Senate Judiciary Committee hearing hearing on OCTOBER 5, 2004)

And this is why, despite an attempt by birthers to encourage the members of the Electoral College to vote against Obama, he received all 365 of the votes that he won on Nov. 4, 2008, and that is why despite the same campaign in Congress, Obama's election was confirmed unanimously.


smrstrauss
Comment posted January 1, 2010 @ 12:55 pm

The Electoral College voted for Obama without a single member changing her or his vote to vote against him. The US Congress confirmed the election unanimously.


smrstrauss
Comment posted January 1, 2010 @ 12:56 pm

Yes, there has been official confirmation of the facts, The two officials in Hawaii, members of a Republican governor's administration, have repeatedly confirmed that Obama was born in Hawaii.

Most recently, the statement was:

“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago….”
Notice the words “verifying that Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii.” The statement said in short that the document in the files shows that Obama was born in Hawaii. This is confirmation of the facts on the Certification of Live Birth which also says that he was born in Hawaii.

There is also this statement by the spokeswoman for the department:

Quotes:

Does this mean Obama was born in Hawaii?

“Yes,” said Hawaii Health Department spokeswoman Janice Okubo, in both email and telephone interviews with the Tribune. “That's what Dr. Fukino is saying.”

In addition to these two confirmations, there are the notices in the newspapers, which were sent out by the government of Hawaii at the time, and they were only sent out for births IN Hawaii, and there is this witness, who recalls being told of Obama's birth in Hawaii in 1961. (http://www.buffalonews.com/494/story/554495.html)


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted January 1, 2010 @ 3:07 pm

How can we VERIFY that your statements are true?

Repeated requests to DoH for index data related to registration number 10641 have been ignored. Therefore, you can only speculate that the number shown on Obama's COLB is authentic.

DoH refused to confirm that they issued a COLB to Obama on June 6, 2007. How do we know that the image posted on Obama friendly web site represents an official document if DOH is not willing to confirm its issuing.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted January 1, 2010 @ 5:59 pm

DoH has more important things to do than answer questions to stupid questions from people like you.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted January 1, 2010 @ 6:06 pm

Temper, temper, temper… Another birthtard going up in flames. I'm sure glad Obama's people hired me to spread the truth on these blogs.


Name
Comment posted January 1, 2010 @ 8:26 pm

Damn, JO, who lit the fuse on your tampon ?


tyrebitre
Comment posted January 1, 2010 @ 8:37 pm

Arguing with Birfers is akin to trying to teach ferrets to yodel: however, arguing with them can be highly entertaining as they become progressively unhinged.


katahdin
Comment posted January 1, 2010 @ 10:10 pm

Does this “real law” include Orly Taitz' remarkable legal standard that the burden of proof rests on the defendant instead of the plaintiff?
Next time she goes to court she should definitely lead with that.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 2, 2010 @ 5:26 am

I do not believe such correspondence exists, unless it was forged or altered in some way.


ellid
Comment posted January 2, 2010 @ 9:33 am

Ask the HR department at your office. They will confirm that a certification of birth like the President's is acceptable for confirmation of eligibility to work.

Then again, you know all this. You simply won't admit that you are wrong about the President. How sad, that you're beginning the new year with yet more idiocy.


Oily Taint
Comment posted January 2, 2010 @ 7:24 pm

We're not trying to convert you, Jo, we're going to get rid of you. That's right, Jo, you've got to go. You can take your caps-lock key with you, but we're keeping the rest of your stuff. We'll give you a complimentary sack of Tracy Russo's farts for you to inhale at your leisure. Have a great New Year somewhere else, Jo!


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted January 2, 2010 @ 9:29 pm

I doubt that the HR department in any company would accept an image posted on a web page as a proof of eligibility for work.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted January 2, 2010 @ 10:01 pm

It is interesting that you cannot provide a logical answer to a simple question on why the DoH refuses to confirm that COLB was issued to Obama on June 6, 2007?

The reason why previous presidents (mentioned in your post) did not provide their birth certificate is very simple: There was no doubt about their birthplace. There were no contradictory reports placing their birth in three different countries and two different Hawaii hospitals.

Neither Dr. Fukino nor Janice Okubo said that the original birth certificate indicates Hawaii birth. Their statement could have been based on a different document. They refused to comment on source documents used for Fukino's July 2009 press-release.

It was possible to amend the birth registration records. Until the state of Hawaii explains the meaning of the “Filed By Registrar” phrase used on Obama's COLB, I will assume that it is the same as the meaning in Nevada – not sufficient information had been submitted to the DoH to accept the birth registration.

If there was nothing suspicious about Obama's original birth certificate – the DoH would have been much more cooperative and compliant with their laws that allow access to certain type of government documents.

The format of your replies is not good. You have too many line breaks making your posts long and difficult to read.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 3, 2010 @ 3:14 am

” naturalizedcitizen
I am not ignorant. “*******

NATURAL is quite correct: he is NOT ignorant. “Ignorant” would mean that he has not been told or is not aware of the fact(s) being discussed: this is hardly the case. Therefore, ignorance is off the table and we have to consider alternatives such as: intellectual dishonesty, rank stupidity, insanity, or intentional hemorrhoidal syndrome ( being a PITA on purpose ) .


Anonymous
Comment posted January 3, 2010 @ 4:00 am

Why is it that DoH would not confirm that they issued a COLB to Obama on June 6, 2007?

What is the big deal about it? Obama is telling the truth, isn’t he?


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted January 2, 2010 @ 11:11 pm

The only problem is – there is no original birth certificate.

Nobody from DoH confirmed that Obama's original birth certificate indicates Hawaii birth.

It has not been possible to get even a simple confirmation from DoH that COLB was issued to Obama on June 6, 2007.

Does emperor have any clothes?


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted January 2, 2010 @ 11:19 pm

Could you provide a link to interview with Okubo? It would be interesting to read the complete story not just a selected excerpt.

The birth announcement in the newspaper could have been based on an birth registration by an affidavit from a relative. The practice for registering births in Hawaii was very relaxed in those days.

The original birth certificate will confirm the birth hospital and the attending physician. Then we will know whether the news report from your link is correct or an attempt to mislead the public.


euphgeek
Comment posted January 2, 2010 @ 11:53 pm

There is an original birth certificate. The Hawaii Department of Health confirmed that they have it on file. If they have it on file, that indicates a Hawaii birth since they would not have the original on file if he was born anywhere else.

Do the nirthers have any brains?


euphgeek
Comment posted January 3, 2010 @ 12:03 am

No, the only way the birth announcement would appear in the papers and the only way Obama's COLB would say that he was born in Hawaii is if he was actually…born in Hawaii.


euphgeek
Comment posted January 3, 2010 @ 12:07 am

I doubt that the HR department in any company would tell a person that they had to show their birth certificate to all of their fellow employees before getting a job there.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted January 3, 2010 @ 12:52 am

This was not my question.

Would the HR in any company accept an image posted on a private web page?


Anonymous
Comment posted January 3, 2010 @ 5:57 am

Did any of the Obama friendly web sites mention Kapiolani as his birth place prior to January 24, 2009?


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted January 3, 2010 @ 1:12 am

Obama's parents never lived at the address shown in the birth announcement. That was the address where his grandparents rented a house. His father lived in a different apartment closer to the University of Hawaii.

The COLB indicates that something is fishy with the birth registration: “Filed by Registrar” status is not the same as “Accepted by State Registrar”.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted January 3, 2010 @ 1:19 am

Was the original birth certificate based on a report from a hospital or an affidavit from a relative?

The status field “Filed by Registrar” indicates that the registration did not come directly from the hospital.

The certificate for Nordyke twins indicates different status “Accepted by State Registrar”. They were born in the Kapiolani hospital on August 5, 1961.


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ellid
Comment posted January 3, 2010 @ 9:14 am

Asked and answered months ago. Why don't you take your English lessons and come back when you know how to read?


ellid
Comment posted January 3, 2010 @ 9:15 am

Legally they mean the same thing, as you would realize if you had the slightest acquaintance with legal language.

Give it up, NC. You are wrong about the President, just the way you were last year.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 3, 2010 @ 2:17 pm

They’d accept a paper copy, *which is what the President produced during the vetting process, you idiot.* The image on the Internet was produced to shut up fools like you who don’t want a black man in the White House and will grasp at any straw to keep him out.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 3, 2010 @ 2:18 pm

Doesn’t matter. Birth in Honolulu is all that matters. THAT was confirmed. The hospital is irrelevant.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted January 3, 2010 @ 3:14 pm

How do you know that these two phrases have the same legal meaning? What is your source – imagination?

In Nevada the meaning is different. Why should we assume that Hawaii is using two different phrases with the same meaning when printing COLBs?

Unless you can show a link to a document describing these two phrases that would confirm your statement, I will have to go with the explanation currently available to the public (Nevada document).


Anonymous
Comment posted January 3, 2010 @ 8:22 pm

In a message dated 1/2/2010 10:03:42 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
writes:

It is interesting that you cannot provide a logical answer to a simple
question on why the DoH refuses to confirm that COLB was issued to Obama on
June 6, 2007?

You are implying that the DoH of Hawaii is conspiring to hide something. It
isn’t. Whatever its motives may be, they are not to hide any facts. The
DoH is under a Republican governor, and when they say–as they have said
twice–that there is proof in the files that Obama was born in Hawaii–you can
BELIEVE that Obama was born in Hawaii.


smrstrauss
Comment posted January 3, 2010 @ 3:25 pm

Re: “The only problem is – there is no original birth certificate. '

Who says? You? The officials in Hawaii have said twice that the facts in th
e file prove that Obama was born in Hawaii.

Re: “Nobody from DoH confirmed that Obama's original birth certificate
indicates Hawaii birth. “
Why says? You?

The officials in Hawaii, members of a Republican governor's administration,
have said twice that the facts in the files confirm the COLB (which is the
official birth certificate)and prove that Obama was born in Hawaii.


smrstrauss
Comment posted January 3, 2010 @ 3:26 pm

Re: “Could you provide a link to interview with Okubo? It would be
interesting to read the complete story not just a selected excerpt.”
_http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/11/obama_hawaaianborn_
citizen_for.html_
(http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog…)


smrstrauss
Comment posted January 3, 2010 @ 3:26 pm

Re: “Could you provide a link to interview with Okubo? It would be
interesting to read the complete story not just a selected excerpt.”
_http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/11/obama_hawaaianborn_
citizen_for.html_
(http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog…)


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted January 3, 2010 @ 3:38 pm

Quote from the article:
—————————————————————————————-
“Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai'i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai'i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama's original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures,” Fukino said in the three paragraph statement.

“No state official, including Governor Linda Lingle, has ever instructed that this vital record be handled in a manner different from any other vital record in the possession of the State of Hawai'i,” the statement concludes.

Does this mean Obama was born in Hawaii?

“Yes,” said Hawaii Health Department spokeswoman Janice Okubo, in both email and telephone interviews with the Tribune. “That's what Dr. Fukino is saying.”
——————————————————————————————–

This only proves that the original press-release by Dr. Fukino was incomprehensible to the person writing the article so they have to ask Okubo for translation from the “legalese” language used by Fukino.

It does not answer my question: Which document did Dr. Fukino and Janice Okubo use as a basis for their statements. They never issued a simple statement confirming that the original birth certificate indicates birth in the Kapiolani hospital (as Obama claims).

Was the original birth certificate based on an affidavit from a relative and was there enough proof submitted to the DoH to properly accept the birth registration?


euphgeek
Comment posted January 3, 2010 @ 8:50 pm

I was trying to make a comparison for illustrative purposes, but obviously you’re too dense to get it so I’ll spell it out for you in simple terms. Obama posting his birth certificate on the internet was only to cut off a line of attack from his political opponents. Your analogy to an HR department doesn’t work because the president is not legally bound to present his birth certificate to the voters.


euphgeek
Comment posted January 3, 2010 @ 8:51 pm

Who cares? The only thing that matters is that he was born in Hawaii, which his birth certificate shows and the state of Hawaii has confirmed.


euphgeek
Comment posted January 3, 2010 @ 3:53 pm

So it was impossible for them to be living there even though his grandparents rented a house there? How stupid are you? And I dare you to find a single Hawaiian birth certificate that shows the status “Accepted by State Registrar.” Face it, you have nothing to back up your insanity.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted January 3, 2010 @ 3:55 pm

Your responses look ugly. When you type a response let the lines be wrapped automatically. Do not break the line in the middle of the word.

If the original birth certificate was based on a report from the Kapiolni Hospital, Obama's COLB should indicate the same status “Accepted by State Registrar” as documents for Nordyke twins. This is not the case.

The DoH officials never confirmed that they issued COLB to Obama on June 6, 2007. They ignored repeated requests for such confirmation – why?

Which document was used a basis for statements from Fukino and Okubo?

Dr. Fukino implicitly confirmed that Obama's birth certificate was amended when she denied access to it.
What was changed from the original version?


euphgeek
Comment posted January 3, 2010 @ 4:00 pm

To quote right wing hero Joe Wilson, “YOU LIE!” Besides, Hawaii has already confirmed that Obama was born there, so no insane theory about his birth certificate will ever change the fact that Obama is and will remain our president for the next 3 to 7 years.


ellid
Comment posted January 3, 2010 @ 4:04 pm

Nevada is not Hawaii the last time I looked.

Also, the President was born in Hawaii, is a natural born citizen, and is still President.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted January 3, 2010 @ 4:05 pm

Neighbors who have lived next door since 1961 have been interviewed and mentioned that no black person ever lived there. They would have seen Obama's father if he lived there.

Use Google and you can find COLBs containing the phrase: “Accepted by State Registrar”


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted January 3, 2010 @ 4:13 pm

Nevada's example proves that this information is not a state secret. Until Hawaii opens their state manuals this is the best definition available to the public.

If there is nothing to hide, we would have seen this explanation from DoH long time ago. It makes no sense to use two different phrases that have the same meaning.


euphgeek
Comment posted January 3, 2010 @ 4:13 pm

Oh, so anecdotal evidence trumps official state documents and a confirmation by the state? What kind of idiot are you?

And even if others have “Accepted by State Registrar” there is nothing indicating that “Filed by State Registrar” makes the certificate invalid.


euphgeek
Comment posted January 3, 2010 @ 4:15 pm

So prove to us that this phrase somehow invalidates the COLB.


euphgeek
Comment posted January 3, 2010 @ 9:21 pm

Why do you keep asking irrelevant questions? The Hawaii DoH confirmed twice that Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural born U.S. citizen.


euphgeek
Comment posted January 3, 2010 @ 4:23 pm

They don't need to confirm the hospital. All they need to do is confirm Hawaiian birth. Which they did. Twice.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted January 3, 2010 @ 4:24 pm

You did not even try to provide an alternative explanation. Perhaps you have no arguments to back up your statement?

If Hawaii DoH confirmed his birthplace (as you claim), why is it that they refuse to confirm the issuing of COLB on June 6, 2007? It should be a simple Yes/No answer.

There is nothing wrong with the desire to verify the words of DoH officials.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted January 3, 2010 @ 4:38 pm

I am just pointing out at a single piece of a puzzle related to the birth announcement. The use of grandparent's address and neighbor's claims of not seeing a black people living there gives plausibility to my assumption that Obama's birth was registered by an affidavit from a relative – it did not come from a hospital record.

This assumption could be easily checked if DoH explained the meaning of the status phrase on their COLBs.

I would like to see that the DoH officially confirm that they issued a COLB to Obama on June 6, 2007.
Ask yourself why is it that such a simple confirmation has not been issued upon multiple requests.


euphgeek
Comment posted January 3, 2010 @ 4:47 pm

The only thing that matters is that Hawaii DoH officials confirmed his birth in Honolulu twice. I don't blame them for refusing to answer questions about an issue that has already been resolved.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 3, 2010 @ 9:48 pm

The easiest way to “cut off a line of attack from his political opponent” would have been an authorization to DoH and Kapiolani hospital to release original documents.

My point is simple – Obama posted an image of COLB on the web as a part of a deception campaign to present himself as an eligible candidate.

If there was nothing to hide he would have asked the DoH to release the original long form birth certificate. If Obama is telling the truth, such document exists in the DoH archive.


smrstrauss
Comment posted January 3, 2010 @ 4:50 pm

Re: “Which document did Dr. Fukino and Janice Okubo use as a basis for
their statements. They never issued a simple statement confirming that the
original birth certificate indicates birth in the Kapiolani hospital (as Obama
claims).”

The name of the hospital does not affect the fact that Obama was born in
Hawaii. The officials repeatedly said that he was born in Hawaii. Do you
seriously want us to believe that they are part of a conspiracy?


smrstrauss
Comment posted January 3, 2010 @ 4:51 pm

Obama's COLB should indicate the same status “Accepted by State Registrar”
as documents for Nordyke twins. This is not the case.

You are comparing a COLB with an original.


euphgeek
Comment posted January 3, 2010 @ 4:57 pm

Just because a neighbor did not see “black people” living there does not mean that they didn't. It also lends zero plausibility to your assumption of birth registration by affidavit. If Obama had not been born in Hawaii, the COLB would say so. And there's no need to confirm that the COLB was issued on 6/6/07 since the image of the certificate shows that date and the Hawaiian officials have confirmed twice that Obama was born there. Why do you think Hawaiian officials are lying?


euphgeek
Comment posted January 3, 2010 @ 10:00 pm

No, because Hawaii doesn’t release original documents. They release the COLB. If Obama was trying to deceive people by posting a fake birth certificate, the state of Hawaii would have said so. Furthermore, he has no motivation to release the “long form” since it would not stop the attacks of those who claim that having a foreign father disqualifies him from being president.


ellid
Comment posted January 3, 2010 @ 7:32 pm

They already did. There's even a whole FAQ section up at their web site to satisfy morons who have trouble understanding plain English.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 4, 2010 @ 12:34 am

There are fifty states in this country, unlike wherever the hell you came from. Legal codes differ from state to state. That is why stating that things are one thing in Nevada has nothing to do with how things are in Hawaii.

Where’s your birth certificate or some other documentation proving you aren’t Orly Taitz?


tyrebitre
Comment posted January 3, 2010 @ 8:36 pm

euphgeek 4 hours ago ( to naturalizedcitizen )
What kind of idiot are you?************

Obviously the kind who, having been repeatedly beat down in public and subjected to copious ( and deserved ) ridicule and derision, STILL drags back for more: in short, the same type as the masochist who brings his own salt to a beating to be rubbed into his wounds.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted January 3, 2010 @ 8:37 pm

The Hawaii COLBs use both phrases. There must be difference in their meaning – it does not make any sense to use different phrases if the meaning is the same. The computer must have a different input when the decision is made which phrase to print.

If there was nothing to hide from public, the DoH could simply publish the state manual describing the use of these two phrases – the same way the State of Nevada did by posting the information on a government web page.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted January 3, 2010 @ 9:17 pm

If they used an amended birth certificate for their statement, how would you know that they are telling the truth?

None of them was present at Obama's birth to be able to say first hand that he was born in Hawaii.

They rely on DoH documents to issue such statement. My question is simple – which document did they use as a basis for the claim of Obama's birth in Hawaii?

Why are they not willing to confirm that the COLB was issued to Obama on June 6, 2007. We could eliminate the possibility that COLB document presented to factcheck.org was forged.

Until there is an official confirmation that DoH issued the document – the forgery cannot be excluded.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted January 3, 2010 @ 9:22 pm

You are very fond of links. Try this one:
http://www.justice.gov/usao/nj/press/files/ande…

It describes the story of birth certificate fraud in New Jersey. A corrupt official planted forged data in the state records, then other officials issued valid birth certificates to people in question.


euphgeek
Comment posted January 3, 2010 @ 10:20 pm

So prove that there was any fraud in Obama's case. Hawaiian officials would not have confirmed his birth there if there was any fraud involved with his birth certificate. There wasn't even any suspicion of fraud. You're very fond of baseless speculation yourself. Can you disprove any of my links that prove that Obama is a natural born U.S. citizen?

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in…
http://hawaii.gov/health/about/pr/2009/09-063.pdf
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article…
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article…
http://snopes.com/politics/obama/citizen.asp
http://snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertifica…


euphgeek
Comment posted January 3, 2010 @ 10:29 pm

If the birth certificate was forged, the state of Hawaii would have said so. They would not have confirmed that Obama is a natural born U.S. citizen. The only way forgery is possible is if the state of Hawaii was complicit in it. Why do you think the state of Hawaii would involve itself in forgery?


Anonymous
Comment posted January 4, 2010 @ 3:31 am

Unlike language experts from Smith, those “morons” cannot be easily deceived.

The FAQ section does not address any of the key issues mentioned on this blog – index data for record 10641, meaning of the phrase “Filed by Registrar”, confirmation that COLB was issued to Obama, documents used as a basis for Dr. Fukino’s press-release,…


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted January 4, 2010 @ 12:28 am

The number of “verifications” using the same data (COLB) is irrelevant. One is as good as six.

The COLB document is a derivative one – based on another document.

We need to verify that the source data indicates Hawaii birth. The source data is the original birth registration that came to DoH either from the Kapiolani hospital (as Obama claimed in January 2009) or an affidavit from a relative.

The unwillingness of DoH to confirm trivial questions from public indicates the deception.

What is there to hide if Obama was born in Hawaii?


Anonymous
Comment posted January 4, 2010 @ 6:57 am

Colin Powel, George Tennet and a number of other government officials made many persuasive statements about Iraq possessing rapidly deployable WMDs.

We know how that turned out. Faulty source data was basis for many claims.

The same thing could be happening here.
Unless we know the details about Obama’s birth registration we cannot blindly trust Dr. Fukino. Why should we trust her when she used deceptive language in her first press-release and it took her nine more months to come up with a second press-release.

It should be trivial to verify her statement. The fact that DoH is willingly breaking the law requiring them to share certain data with public indicates deception.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 4, 2010 @ 7:01 am

According to Obama there are 57 states. Where did he come from?


euphgeek
Comment posted January 4, 2010 @ 3:08 am

Why do you think the state of Hawaii is hiding anything? They've already said that Obama was born there and they have the last word on things like these. Why do you think they're lying?


Anonymous
Comment posted January 4, 2010 @ 12:44 pm

I never claimed to be a language expert, only a native speaker who can read English fluently, unlike you.

The “key issues” exist only in your mind.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 4, 2010 @ 12:44 pm

Hawaii.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 4, 2010 @ 12:46 pm

No, I’m a loyal and patriotic American who is disgusted by attempts to overthrow a legally elected President over a manufactured controversy.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 4, 2010 @ 3:04 pm

UNLESS you made similar demands that Bush or Clinton’s birth registration
be checked, you are not a credible source. Unless there is credible evidence
of two things (1) that the officials in Hawaii are lying and (2) that
Obama was born outside of the USA, there is no need to go further.

Obama’s birth outside of the USA is highly unlikely and the claim that it
occurred in Kenya is virtually impossible without proof. After all, if a kid
were born in Kenya, we would not allow that kid to enter the USA without a
visa. Such a visa would have to be applied for, and a record of that
application and the decision involved would still be at the State Department. (I
am not referring to the passport file, but the file of visas applied for
and granted in Kenya.) Such a document would have been found long before
now. After all, the State Department was under the Republicans until January
20, 2009.

You say that such humans as Colin Powell are fallible. Indeed, they are.
But WND is far more fallible.

There is no reason for Fukino or the others in the Hawaii department of
Health to lie about Obama being born in Hawaii. If he wasn’t, they need not
have said anything. Their comments were clear, the documents show that he was
born in Hawaii.


Anthony
Comment posted January 4, 2010 @ 12:33 pm

Wink Wink Nod Nod. See the problem that the people have with the birther conspiracy theory is the facts. The is absolutely no reason for any one to issue a legal ruling on the natural-born citizenship of the president.

The has been no legal ruling that Obama isn't a natural born citizen. So, until that happens he is a natural born citizen. When someone is granted or in possession of citizenship it can't be taken away without a legal ruling. There actual legal rulings that make your entire comment nonsense.

America is a country ruled by law. Birthers like to quote a part of a sentence in the Constitution in their arguments while ignore the legal principles that make up the Constitution.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 4, 2010 @ 5:37 pm

euphgeek and others, stop with trying to reason with this fool….naturalizedcitizen. Don’t you notice that when you give him facts, he starts with the IF THIS and IF THAT bullshit. If they used an amended birth certificate, when there has been NO INDICATION that anything amended even exists.

So, my fellow normal people, stop arguing with naturalizedcitizen and that other person with 15 names who posts on this board and start mocking them, because that’s the response they deserve. I would suggest that we offer a straight jacket.


Anthony
Comment posted January 4, 2010 @ 12:38 pm

“The only problem is – there is no original birth certificate.” Who really cares. There are reasons that all jurisdictions have archives and keep records about their citizens. This is to re-issue government related documents and to replace those that have been lost or damaged. This is something that can be traced back of 2000 years to Rome.

The real problem is – you lost the election and just can accept that fact.


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Anonymous
Comment posted January 4, 2010 @ 10:03 pm

There were no reports indicating that either Bush or Clinton were born abroad. Therefore, this issue was not on anybody’s radar screen.

We do not need to speculate like you did in your post. Let us see the original birth certificate. If Obama is not willing to do that, the DoH should release information to the public according to state laws.

Let the DoH follow the state law and we can verify whether Dr. Fukino is telling the truth or not. No need for any speculations.


Anthony
Comment posted January 4, 2010 @ 6:58 pm

Straitjacket isn't need. Just sedate them, this way they wouldn't do anymore damage to their brain cells. Like honestly, how can some be so stupid to believe in the birther conspiracy theory.


Anthony
Comment posted January 5, 2010 @ 12:02 am

Actually, none of the 44 president were “born abroad.” Let me guess your name is Qrtizs and your from Mars.


tyrebitre
Comment posted January 4, 2010 @ 7:56 pm

NATURALIZED
Both of Andrew Jackson's parents were immigrants: why aren't you Chiropteran Excrement Insane Birfers trying to have him posthumously impeached ?


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Anonymous
Comment posted January 5, 2010 @ 1:26 am

The question is still out in Obama’s case.

Until we have the original birth certificate or enough information to understand the meaning of the COLB document we can only speculate.

If there was nothing to hide Dr. Fukino’s words could be easily verified – which is not the case. Why should we blindly trust her words?


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted January 5, 2010 @ 3:02 am

Was Andrew Jackson a citizen at the time when Constitution was adopted?


Anthony
Comment posted January 5, 2010 @ 3:19 am

Here is a person who can't explain anything about a “copy” of a birth certificate. The fool doesn't ever realize that he has undermined his crazy position.


Anthony
Comment posted January 5, 2010 @ 3:23 am

I said look in a dictionary. What is your problem? Could it be the inability to read. I honestly doubt it, but have difficulties understand your stubbornness.

Another homework assignment look up the work “trivial” in a dictionary.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted January 5, 2010 @ 4:01 am

It is obvious that I overestimated your ability to understand the reason for my question.

The POTUS eligibility phrase in the Constitution:
—————————————————————————————————-
No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.
—————————————————————————————————

Now repeat the following part (at least) three times: “…or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution…”


Anthony
Comment posted January 5, 2010 @ 6:05 am

Understanding those who put the birther 'conspiracy theory ' questions are easy. The problem comes from the ability that a they consistantly manipulate the truth. However, pushing them into a trap is easy. As, you have conveniently pointed nowhere in the Constitution does it indicate that both parents must be citizens of America.

Natz you are funny.


tyrebitre
Comment posted January 5, 2010 @ 11:04 am

I understand the reason for your question perfectly well. I have no idea if he or his parents considered him a “citizen” when the Constitution was adopted: he was born a British citizen to Irish parents ( both also British citizens ) in a British colony ( America ). Do you not see how this stirs into the Birfer's constipated arguments about both parents, dual citizenship, and place of birth ? Of course it was a ridiculous point, thrown out to ridicule the equally ridiculous stance of the Birfers: and, if you want to argue any of it, Jackson would be a good example that such questions have been laid aside many years back.


Obvious
Comment posted January 5, 2010 @ 12:47 pm

You're wrong and you're an idiot.


Birfers Are Idiots
Comment posted January 5, 2010 @ 12:52 pm

STATEMENT BY HEALTH DIRECTOR CHIYOME FUKINO, M.D.
“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawai?i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai‘i State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai‘i and is a natural-born American citizen.


Birfers Are Idiots
Comment posted January 5, 2010 @ 12:55 pm

And you're arguing with an insane, paranoid, delusional outpatient with delusions of grandeur.


Obvious
Comment posted January 5, 2010 @ 12:56 pm

STATEMENT BY HEALTH DIRECTOR CHIYOME FUKINO, M.D.
“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawai?i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital
records maintained on file by the Hawai‘i State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama
was born in Hawai‘i and is a natural-born American citizen.

You're still an idiot. And where's my check? Dumbass.


Obvious
Comment posted January 5, 2010 @ 12:58 pm

STATEMENT BY HEALTH DIRECTOR CHIYOME FUKINO, M.D.
“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawai?i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai‘i State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai‘i and is a natural-born American citizen.

And you're still an idiot. And a paranoid and possibly dangerous idiot.


Anthony
Comment posted January 5, 2010 @ 1:03 pm

“The U.S. Government acknowledges that dual nationality exists but does not encourage … However, dual nationals owe allegiance to both the United States and the foreign country.”

However, many countries require dual national to renounce their foreign citizenship as an adult or lose that county's citizenship. These laws make dual nationals citizens of one country.

http://www.consular.canada.usembassy.gov/dual_c…

It is funny to see people who just don't understand the “Watergate scandal.”


Anthony
Comment posted January 5, 2010 @ 1:07 pm

The problem isn't the refusal to acknowledge confirmation from Dr. Chiyome Fukino, but the refusal to read and understand the fine print on the document.


Anthony
Comment posted January 5, 2010 @ 1:12 pm

Is that a mental breakdown you are having. We have more confidence in Hawaii state attorney general that a person clinging to an idiotic conspiracy theory.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted January 5, 2010 @ 1:34 pm

What trap: You need to read my previous post few more times. It seems that you did not get it.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted January 5, 2010 @ 1:39 pm

You do understand that the clause quoted in my previous post does not apply any more. Unless you can find a candidate who was born at the time when the Constitution was adopted.

Today the requirement is reduced to NBC part only.


ellid
Comment posted January 5, 2010 @ 3:42 pm

And since the President was born in Hawaii, he meets this criterion perfectly.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 5, 2010 @ 9:05 pm

In a message dated 1/4/2010 5:03:23 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
writes:

There were no reports indicating that either Bush or Clinton were born
abroad. Therefore, this issue was not on anybody’s radar screen.


tyrebitre
Comment posted January 6, 2010 @ 12:00 am

Yes, I understand that: your point was that when the Constitution was originally adopted, ANYONE who was a citizen AT THAT MOMENT was eligible to be President NO MATTER what or where their circumstances of birth were, but since that time the restrictions apply. The clause STILL applies, it's just there aren't any 200 + year old folks around to utilize it.

My point was that you and the Birfers are wrong in your stance as to what constitutes a NBC ( as opposed to a CBS or ABC or even a FOX — sorry, I just had an “aside moment” ) . Having a SINGLE parent who is a citizen or being born within the borders makes one a NBC – it's that simple.


Anthony
Comment posted January 6, 2010 @ 12:04 am

You continuously cling to the false belief that the Constitution states that a person must have both parents American citizens for a person to be eligible to be president. However, in the text you presented there to no reference to you misrepresentation. See the problem is that no matter how much you attempt to distort the facts the facts always get in the way.

You contradicted yourself and you don't even realize it.
I am still laughing.


Anthony
Comment posted January 6, 2010 @ 12:09 am

I would give 100 monkeys typing on keyboards to come up with a better comprehensive argument than any birther.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted January 6, 2010 @ 1:13 am

On this board I've seen different opinion about NBC definition:

a) Citizen at birth (your definition is included)

b) Born in the USA no matter what the parental status is. (excluding the children of US citizens born abroad)

c) Born in the USA of citizen parents.

Even among Obama supporters there is no definitive agreement between options (a) and (b).

The definition cannot be found in the Constitution. No SCOTUS case dealt exclusively with the ruling on the definition of NBC either.

Therefore, it is time for SCOTUS to hear the arguments and make a ruling.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted January 6, 2010 @ 1:25 am

1. Where can I read about NBC definition that conforms to your belief.

2. What is the meaning of the following sentence from your previous post:
“However, in the text you presented there to no reference to you misrepresentation”


Anthony
Comment posted January 6, 2010 @ 1:46 am

So if the definition isn't in the Constitution then it seems you are out of luck. We have had a legal precedent which make inquires null and void.


Anthony
Comment posted January 6, 2010 @ 1:49 am

If you don't understand that you will have to retrace the comments. You have proven yourself to be smart that every government agency or court in America when it comes to the validity of a person citizenship. Find the answers should be very easy for you.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted January 6, 2010 @ 1:57 am

Which legal precedent are you talking about?

It would be nice if you completed the thought instead of forcing others to read your mind.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted January 6, 2010 @ 2:07 am

I am not in a mood to play hide and seek. Describe what you believe is the proof for the definition of NBC and we can continue the debate.


ellid
Comment posted January 6, 2010 @ 8:00 am

Hey, we've had to decipher your ravings for months, so it's only fair….


ellid
Comment posted January 6, 2010 @ 8:01 am

It's not a debate when you post the same discredited junk in slightly different formats for several months.

Also, you're still wrong.


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tyrebitre
Comment posted January 6, 2010 @ 8:54 pm

The 1898 Wong Kin Ark decision was a HUGE precedent. For the last 112 years it has been firmly established that the mere presence of a NON-CITIZEN in the USofA is enough to make their children natural born citizens if they were born within the borders of the USofA. This cannot be argued: it is fact and established precedent. When considered with the facts that ALL known information shows that Obama and his parents were in the confines of the USofA at the time of his birth and absent any shred of evidence to the contrary which hasn't been either manufactured out of whole cloth or a Chiropteran Excrement Insane Birfer fantasy, the argument that Obama is NOT a NBC is simply ludicrous.


tyrebitre
Comment posted January 6, 2010 @ 8:58 pm

DEFINITION OF PROBABILITY: IF an unlimited number of rednecks in an unlimited number of pick-ups shot an unlimited number of shotguns at an unlimited number of stop signs, there is a 100% probability that they would eventually reproduce all the world's great literature in braille.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted January 7, 2010 @ 2:06 am

The WKA ruling was about citizenship at birth. The SCOTUS ruled that US born child of a permanent resident is a citizen at birth.

There was no explicit ruling by the SCOTUS on the definition of the NBC.

In 1790 early Congress enacted a Naturalization Law declaring the foreign born children of US citizens natural born citizenS. This legislation was changed just 5 years later in 1795 when the foreign born children of US citizens were declared citizens at birth.
This example shows you that the early Congress made distinction between the two phrases.

It is wrong to assume that the definition of a natural born citizen is a citizen at birth.


Anthony
Comment posted January 7, 2010 @ 2:26 am

I am still trying to figure out if he has changed his mind and renounced being a birther. Or, is just confused on the nature of his argument, since it in no way supports his position.

However, what is amusing is that is his insistence of going back in time for his argument. Having had done research and finding his claims false, I shall not bother him.

He has been know to go very deep in his comments.


ellid
Comment posted January 7, 2010 @ 10:18 am

Once again, you have succeeded only in demonstrating your own willful ignorance.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted January 7, 2010 @ 12:33 pm

The best response from Obama supporters on question about naturalization law change in 1795 was the following:

Ignore the change because the two phrases mean the same.

Yeah, right. Congress made cosmetic changes to the law.

The trouble for Obama supporters is the fact that this change was done just few years after the Constitution was adopted indicating that legislators who lived at that time made a distinction between the two phrases.

NBC is not the same as “citizen at birth”.


Anthony
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 2:45 am

1795 was over 200 years ago. You my friend are ignoring that the changes that have happened.

You need a better argument than that weak argument.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 2:20 pm

I am going to be gentle in my response.

There has been no legislation since 1790 that uses the term “natural born citizen”.
The eligibility requirement for POTUS has not changed either.

The significance of law change in 1795 is in the fact that Congress replaced words “natural born citizen” with citizen. Therefore we cannot assume that two are the same.

This is in direct contradiction with claims, made by many Obama supporters, that the defintion of the NBC is “citizen at birth”.


euphgeek
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 2:35 pm

To quote right-wing hero Joe Wilson, “YOU LIE!”


Birfers Are Idiots
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 3:34 pm

I think refusal to accept the official statement of the legal authority in the matter with zero credible evidence to the contrary is an obvious problem.


ellid
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 3:57 pm

Once again, your attempts to twist American law and precedent to suit your own ends fail. The President was born in the United States. That makes him a natural born citizen. Period.


tyrebitre
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 6:00 pm

The nutbaggery continues unabated. There are only two ( 2 = more than 1, less than 3) forms of United States of America citizenship : citizenship at birth and naturalization. All forms of citizenship which are NOT from naturalization are considered BOTH citizen at birth AND natural born citizen. There is no grounds of debate EXCEPT for the terminally deluded.

Point to me a situation where someone is naturalized immediately at birth.

To be naturalized, one must be 18 at a minimum and a permanent RESIDENT for a prescribed period. Anyone who is under the age of 18 and a citizen would, by default, also have to be a NBC or no citizen at all: period.


Anthony
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 7:09 pm

Keep digging you can do deeper.


Anthony
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 7:11 pm

I think that I should have said it that eloquently.


ellid
Comment posted January 8, 2010 @ 11:36 pm

Gentle or rough, you're still wrong.


tyrebitre
Comment posted January 9, 2010 @ 12:15 am

” naturalizedcitizen –
NBC is not the same as “citizen at birth”"***

“SEMANTICS: a short fantasy play”
starting naturalizedcitizen as himself and THE JUDGE as the judge.

*ACT 1*
THE JUDGE: “I thought I told you to STOP bothering those people on the Oily Taintz website ?”

naturalizedcitizen: “No, your honor, you told me to “cease & desist”; you never told me to STOP !”

the end.


Birfers Are Idiots
Comment posted January 10, 2010 @ 1:07 am

<smile>


Preston
Comment posted January 13, 2010 @ 12:08 pm

So maybe the Brit, Neil Sankey can succeed where the Russian immigrant (from the Moldavian Soviet Socialist Republic) has failed, bring it on.

Poor little Birthers (still in denial about their losses), Judge Land and now judge Carter, smack down the crazies (case dismissed).

Not even “Fake News” Glenn Beck or Bill O’Reilly believes the crazies, how funny.

http://trueslant.com/erikkain/2010/01/05/glenn-…

http://belowthebeltway.com/2009/10/29/bill-orei…

http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_evidence…

To all the birthers in La, La Land, it is on you to prove to all of us that your assertion is true (TOUGH WHEN YOU KEEP LOSING CASES), if there are people who were there and support your position then show us the video (everyone has a price), either put up or frankly shut-up. I heard Orly Taitz, is selling a tape (I think it’s called “Money, Lies and Video tape”). She is from Orange County, CA, now I know what the mean when they say “behind the Orange Curtain”, when they talk about Orange County, the captial of Conspiracy Theories. You know Obama has a passport, he travel abroad before he was a Senator, but I guess they were in on it.

In my opinion the Republican Party has been taken over the most extreme religious right (people who love to push their beliefs on others while trying to take away the rights of those they just hate) and that’s who they need to extract from their party if they real want to win. Good Luck, because as they said in WACO, “We Ain’t Coming Out”.

I wonder if she is a mail order bride, just like her law degree? She is perfect reporter material for “Fake News”, where unfounded rumors and innuendo reign supreme , unlike a our US courts of law, where you need to present documented facts, not half baked lies (prepare for more failures).

A lawyer, dentist, realtor and black belt, WOW I must say a JACK of all trades master of none

I heard that she now wants to investigate the “Republican 2009 Summer of Love” list: Assemblyman, Michael D. Duvall (CA), Senator John Ensign (NV), Senator Paul Stanley (TN), Governor Mark Stanford (SC), Board of Ed Chair, and Kristin Maguire AKA Bridget Keeney (SC). She wants to re-establish a family values party.

I can only hope that Taitz will resist the state collectors that will be hounding her like the “ruff ruff” that she is to collect the $20K.


anitadunnce
Comment posted January 15, 2010 @ 6:35 pm

This a very weird “confession” from Charles Lincoln. My following comments, however, refer only to Orly Taitz's own incompetence in the legal profession, and for that reason, I find it bizarre that she allegedly told Lincoln that HE is incompetent… this must be the proverbial pot calling the kettle black. Printed below are two comments that I attempted to post at Orly's own website, orlytaitzesq.com. “Attempted”, I write, because Orly never posts any comment on her site that expresses disagreement with her position, unless she is able to ridicule the author or the comment with which she disagrees. My comments could not be ridiculed, and so they were not posted by her. I think Orly is a narcissist and thus motivated by simply seeing her name in lights, in articles, spoken in the media. Although I do agree with Orly's basic premise regarding Obama's neglect, failure, and utter refusal to provide ANY documentation on himself (with the exception of his latest book, which is rife with half-truths and downright lies about his parents and his childhood! Read it for yourselves…. the dates and times and events simply do not match up. It is apparently a story of the fabricated origins that Obama wishes he had had), I absolutely distance myself from Orly, because she has proven herself to be an unbalanced nutcase who has no regard and no respect whatsoever for sitting Judges. I cannot respect a member of the Bar who has no respect for other members of the Bar.

1. Anita Dunnce
Your comment is awaiting moderation.
December 1st, 2009 @ 6:20 pm
Edward, the Judge is going to rule against her, because she filed a disrespectful, unprofessional, and poorly expressed Motion for Reconsideration. Judges are simply too busy to waste time on nonsense that they have to struggle to wade through. THAT is Legal Research and Writing 101, but Orly does not have the message yet. She is rude and inappropriate, and she refuses to abide by rules of courtroom decorum, and if she is disbarred, THAT will be one of the reasons. I would not contribute one red nickel to her $20,000 sanction in Georgia; her mess is of her own making.

Posted 12/1 /2009 by Anita Dunnce on Orly Taitz site:
1. Anita Dunnce
Your comment is awaiting moderation.
December 1st, 2009 @ 6:11 pm
You sound ridiculous, Orly. Are you a grown woman, or are you 13 years old? “He’s my friend, she’s my friend too, I have 4000 friends, and I’m going to invite all of them to my birthday party at Pizza Hut.” Grow up, Orly…. you’re not mature enough to post any comment that tells you the truth. Are you perhaps diagnosed as a hedonist who wants only to be stroked and adored? You are making yourself look ridiculous, and you are losing your “fan base” one by one by one…..


tyrebitre
Comment posted January 15, 2010 @ 7:42 pm

” anitadunnce 1 hour ago
———————- Although I do agree with Orly's basic premise regarding Obama's neglect, failure, and utter refusal to provide ANY documentation on himself (with the exception of his latest book, which is rife with half-truths and downright lies about his parents and his childhood! “”"”

You need a dunce ? What the hell for ? It appears you have it more than covered with the duncebaggery currently in your possession.


anitadunnce
Comment posted January 15, 2010 @ 8:45 pm

Oh, this is fun, jerk! You must be one of about 1,000 people in the United
States who is still a silly, mindless little lemming for Obama. Go on,
little bird…. jump off the cliff without thinking just because that idiot,
Barack, told you to! LOLOL

Better yet, Tire Biter, read the darn book, apply reasoning and mathematics,
plus the sense God gave a little green goose, and the lies and major
discrepancies will occur to you. If you're slow, then read it again
S-L-O-W-L-Y. It will all be apparent to you in good time.
******************************************************************


anitadunnce
Comment posted January 15, 2010 @ 8:57 pm

Tire Biter, here are some clues for the type of discrepancies you should seek out in Obama's phony, entirely fabricated “Dreams of My Father”….. unlike the lie that Obama told the children during his school-time indoctrination of youth, his father did NOT leave the family home when Baby Barack was 2 years old. The father NEVER lived with little Barack and his mom.

Instead, when Barack was about 6 WEEKS old, his mother took him to Seattle…. that fact is documented, as she was enrolled in U. of Washington classes, AND a friend of hers reports details of conversations with mom during this period.

Interestingly, Baby Barack's father NEVER gave up his apartment near the university in Hawaii, as he stupfed the 16-yr-old mom a time or two, impregnated her with Baby Barack, and never looked back. Mom and baby returned to Hawaii only AFTER the putative father had left for Harvard to study.

NO one knows of, or was present at, or has ever seen a photo of the alleged wedding of Baby Barack's parents. It is unknown why mom had him served with divorce papers, as he already had a Kenyan wife, AND he was never married to Barack's mother, anyway. He did not respond. She was allegedly “divorced” by “default”, i.e. no reponse from Respondent.

Those are just 3-4 of the lies present in the phony, fabricated book that the Prez did not even write alone. He's such a phony that if one does not see through him by this time, it says a lot about the lack of discernment of the viewer….. that's YOU, Tire Biter.


tyrebitre
Comment posted January 15, 2010 @ 9:29 pm

“anitadunnce 15 minutes ago
Oh, this is fun, jerk! You must be one of about 1,000 people in the United
States who is still a silly, mindless little lemming for Obama.”***

LOL. Yes, Birfers are fun. Strange you should refer to me using a fictitious concept about innocent rodents propagated by a rabid right-wing mouse fuker, but, the mindless ones are those few ( and getting fewer, more isolated, and more unhinged ) who still insist against all evidence and facts that Obama was born anywhere BUT Hawaii.

” Go on, little bird…. jump off the cliff without thinking just because that idiot, Barack, told you to! LOLOL”

For the most part, birds can fly; and those who can't tend to not hang out on cliffs. I again find it strange to be told that I follow without thought from one who will follow the insane blathering of the certifiable deranged. ONLY an idiot would (regardless of what else they might think of him) consider Obama an idiot.

“Better yet, Tire Biter” *****

Kudos. I am not really that surprised you figured it out; I am assuming ( danger ) you didn't expect any of us to figure out yours, thereby leaving us open to ” I need a dunce ” stumbles: however, I think I beat you to that one.

” read the darn book, apply reasoning and mathematics, plus the sense God gave a little green goose, and the lies and major discrepancies will occur to you. If you're slow, then read it again S-L-O-W-L-Y. It will all be apparent to you in good time.”

So, somehow, by reading, rereading, and / or reading slowly, all the facts of where and when Obama was born with be magically changed ?

BTW: Everyone knows there are no such things as “green ” geese: green bears, yes : geese , no.
******************************************************************


tyrebitre
Comment posted January 15, 2010 @ 10:52 pm

Well—–

Two responses come immediately to mind:

(1) Put down the kitty crunchies and step away from the litter box. and

(2) ” Curiouser and curiouser !” said Alice.

We shall have to address this incrementally and probably somewhat disconnectedly.

It is beaucoup strange that you would come on a Birftard discussion, voice your support for Oily's insane beliefs while declaring her to be an incompetent fool, and then make a sound argument to support the facts that Obama WAS, in fact, born in Hawaii to an American citizen and , therefore, an American citizen at birth by birth and, by default, a NBC; all the while lacing your post with falsehoods while decrying Obama and his book a fraud.

You state that Obama was born in Hawaii, moved to Seattle, and then back to Hawaii: OK, we will go with that – no argument.

You refer to Obama Sr. having “stupfed the 16-yr-old mom a time or two, impregnated her with Baby Barack”. There are a couple of problems with this statement: (1) it refers to her as already being a mom BEFORE she was pregnant with Obama the Younger, and (2) if she were 16 , then we do truly have a miracle ( which, by definition cannot exist ) of Biblical ranking. Seeing as how she was either 17 or 18 when she met Obama Sr ( she was born 11/29/42 and met him in 1960 – date unknown ), we have , according to you, a case of time travel. Hallelujah ! A miracle ! Plus, since you state she was 16 when becoming a mom, we also have a case of a minimum of a 20 month term for the pregnancy PLUS the time travel back from being 18 years and 8 months to being sweet 16 again : a miracle SQUARED!!

Next, you cast doubt on the actual paternity : you refer to Obama Sr as “the putative father”. This means that the question of Obama having ONE or TWO parents who were citizens when he was born is undecided since his father MIGHT NOT have been Obama Sr and would, therefore, most likely have been SOMEONE WHO WAS A CITIZEN OF THE USofA. Do you not realize that you are speaking sacrilege among the Birfers ?

Further, you question IF Obama's parents were actually and legally married. You fail to question why, if they were not, she would wait until 1964 to file for a divorce from a marriage that didn't exist. You further fail to question why the state of Hawaii would grant a divorce to a marriage that wasn't. Divorces are not granted by “default”: they are classified as “uncontested”. BTW: if he didn't respond, then he wasn't a “Respondent”, now was he ? He was either a “non-Respondent” or a “potential” Respondent.

You do understand just how much of a predicament you are now in ? You have committed the offenses of HIGH TREASON, SACRILEGE, and TELLING THE TRUTH OTHER THAN HOW WE SEE IT to the BIRFTARD MOVEMENT ( B.M. ). They will most likely now turn on you, set you on fire, sic pitbulls upon you, and sodomize whatever is left.


anitadunnce
Comment posted January 15, 2010 @ 11:22 pm

Hey, the fact that you use the term “Birfer” and are not clever enough to
originate any more descriptive term tells me a lot about you. Perhaps you
are one of the Obama Chicago-lemmings or one of Obama's Communist friends in
the White House. M-m-m Barack Hussein Obama m-m-m. Yep, you are one of
them.

It's a rough job market, so I would suggest that you start sending out your
resume right now so that you might have something lined up by January,
2013. You are not so delusional that you fail to appreciate that your
unqualified “Hope and Change” character is nothing but a loser and
one-termer, I hope. Honestly, the mantra of the country right now is
ABO…anyone but Obama.

By the way, is THIS the “hope and change” you lemmings had in mind?

“For the most part, birds can fly; and those who can't tend to not hang out
on cliffs. I again find it strange to be told that I follow without thought
from one who will follow the insane blathering of the certifiable deranged.
ONLY an idiot would (regardless of what else they might think of him)
consider Obama an idiot.”

This is a prime example of why you need to re-read, re-read slowly, and move
your lips while you read if you need to do that, because I do NOT follow the
derange narcissist Orly. IF you had read my entire previous post, you'd
know that. You must know that it indicates a real lack of journalistic
integrity to pull bits and pieces out of context. I DO NOT FOLLOW THE
DERANGED NARCISSIST ORLY. There. Got it now?
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tyrebitre
Comment posted January 16, 2010 @ 1:14 am

The following were lifted from your own posts:

“Although I do agree with Orly's basic premise regarding Obama's neglect, failure, and utter refusal to provide ANY documentation on himsel”

“I DO NOT FOLLOW THE
DERANGED NARCISSIST ORLY. There. Got it now?”

Now, if you will read the following lifted from one of my earlier posts :

“It is beaucoup strange that you would come on a Birftard discussion, voice your support for Oily's insane beliefs while declaring her to be an incompetent fool,”

So, obviously, I not only “get it” but also understand the inconsistencies of your thought, ie: ” I know she is bat crap crazy and incapable of rational thought and action but I agree with her.” You will also note that my reply was open-ended as to which crazies you followed: “will follow the insane blathering of the certifiable deranged.”

“Birfer” and are not clever enough to
originate any more descriptive term————.”

Trust me, I can. Chiropteran Excrement Insane is one I use often. It applies well, and if you wish to assume the descriptive, feel free.

“It's a rough job market, so I would suggest that you start sending out your resume right now —”

Perhaps for you; I, personally, haven't been without full and constant employment since 1963.

“your unqualified “Hope and Change” character is nothing but a loser and one-termer, I hope.”

You seem to lack conviction in your conviction.

“you lemmings”

Still a fiction: but, since most things in your universe are fictions, I can appreciate your clingage to the easy and familiar. BTW: you might want to re-read the parts of your post about being clever and original.

“By the way, is THIS the “hope and change” you lemmings had in mind?”

Actually, no: but it isn't totally unexpected. We envisioned something more in the order of Gitmo closed; our boys home from Iraq; Bush, Cheney, & Co. if not already executed for their crimes at least in the final appeals; and a legitimate universal healthcare plan that actually addressed the problems instead of being a distraction over insurance. Regardless, it STILL is far superior to anything the conservatives could have done.

“IF you had read my entire previous post,”

I obviously did: I re-posted the majority of it.

“you'd know that. You must know that it indicates a real lack of journalistic integrity to pull bits and pieces out of context.”

It's hardly “out of context” when 60% of it is re-posted and the entire post is immediately above it. ” Journalistic integrity ” ? I didn't realize I was being paid or being held to a higher level of truthfulness ( other than voluntary ) than the person to whom I was replying: it is especially strange coming from someone who intentionally uses false figures and home-made facts ( such as Nov of 1942 to anytime in 1960 being 16 years ).


anitadunnce
Comment posted January 16, 2010 @ 10:39 am

Nope, Tire Biter…. I did NOT say where Baby Barack was born. No clue
about that, since he has steadfastly refused to provide the official
long-form birth certificate. He's a phony and is not what he purports to
be…. that is one of the few facts that we have. Neither of the two
hospitals in Hawaii will claim him, so unless Stanley Ann had him in a
bathtub in Hawaii, this matter is very strange indeed. It is becoming a bit
of an embarrassment for the Obama camp, because it is customary for a plaque
to be hung at his birthplace (Reagan's birth was in an apartment above a
bar, for example), but neither hospital will hang a plaque. Interesting,
huh?

I refer to Stanley Ann as “mom” only for simplicity and so that I do not
have to type out “Stanley Ann” every bloody time. No, I have no reason to
think she had any child prior to Baby Barack, nor have I ever read such a
thing… anywhere. And no, I do not think she is the 2nd Madonna. If you
read about her, she was a free spirit who was just the opposite of a Madonna
figure.

If you will read some of the Constitutional background and relevant caselaw,
you will see that whether he was born in Hawaii, Seattle, Kenya, or
Timbukflippintu, he is still not a natural-born U.S. Citizen, which is
required for the U.S. Presidency. The reason: Stanley Ann was underage
when she gave birth, and at that time, she was too young to confer her
citizenship on the baby. Baby Barack therefore takes his father's
citizenship…. whoever his father may be….. but he claims it to be the
deceased Kenyan/subject of the royal British crown, Barack, Sr.

Since the putative Prez plays games with his college transcripts
and passport applications, who knows where he is a citizen at this time? It
is certain based upon what I wrote just above, that he started life as a
Kenyan/Brit. He therefore is not a natural-born U.S. Citizen.

Bush could claim ignorance of the law, because he is ignorant about so much,
but Obama allegedly was a Con Law Professor. The man knows he is an
interloper in the Oval Office. He well understands that he and Nancy Pelosi
(who “vetted” him but who will disclose to no one what document(s) she saw)
have committed treason.

Please chew this over with an open mind. No, I do not adhere to the
ranting, raving lunacy of Orly Taitz. She is rude, disrespectful, and
completely inappropriate to the various Courts and may well be headed for
disbarment based upon her own hideous behavior. Please, please do not
connect me with that woman in any way, shape, or form. I do not support her
or her methods, and I have not and would not contribute money to her
“cause”. Her $20-K sanction was caused by her own disrespectful actions,
and she needs to get busy pulling and filling teeth to get that paid. Next,
she will face contempt for failing to pay it. Unless she files pleadings
from a jail cell, we won't have to hear anything from her for awhile if that
occurs.

Have a good weekend!
Anita
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tyrebitre
Comment posted January 16, 2010 @ 3:09 pm

“If you will read some of the Constitutional background and relevant caselaw,
you will see that whether he was born in Hawaii, Seattle, Kenya, or
Timbukflippintu, he is still not a natural-born U.S. Citizen, which is
required for the U.S. Presidency. The reason: Stanley Ann was underage
when she gave birth, and at that time, she was too young to confer her
citizenship on the baby. Baby Barack therefore takes his father's
citizenship…. whoever his father may be….. but he claims it to be the
deceased Kenyan/subject of the royal British crown, Barack, Sr.”

Another hard right since it became obvious your other turns all headed for the rocks ? Underage ? how do you figure ? She was 18 years, 8 months, and 6 days old when Obama was born. In the case of a person born on American soil, the age of the mom is as immaterial as her status: here's an abstract for you to gnaw – a 12 year old pregnant Mexican makes it ( illegally ) into the emergency room in Brownsville, TX and gives birth. The child is not only a NBC, but could grow up to be your President even though the mother is deported ( with the child ) provided he/she returns for a minimum of 14 years residence ( does not specify it has to be continuously ). I challenge you to show where in the Constitution the age of the mother is addressed.

“Have a good weekend!
Anita”

I shall; and mine will include sanity.


anitadunnce
Comment posted January 16, 2010 @ 3:18 pm

Check Stanley Ann's age again. Without looking (and since I have not looked
at this particular matter in several months), I would say she was either 16
or 17 when she gave birth (yes, she was a very young college freshman…. a
messed up girl by all accounts, but very bright).

You are wrong about the 14th Amendment Mexican babies. With alien (illegal
alien, no less!) parents, even one alien parent, they are NOT natural-born
citizens standing in line for the U.S. Presidency. They are American
citizens, yes, but not natural-born…. thus out of the running for the
White House.

Gotta go…. have to get something to Fed Ex ASAP… will look at the
Stanley Ann age thing later today.

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tyrebitre
Comment posted January 16, 2010 @ 5:51 pm

“Check Stanley Ann's age again”

I did: it hasn't changed. She was born on Nov 29, 1942. Obama was born on Aug 4, 1961. Both established dates.

Nov 29 to Dec 31, 1942 is one month and two days.

Jan 1, 1943 to Dec 31, 1960 is eighteen full years.

Jan 1, 1961 to Aug 4, 1961 is seven months and four days.

Adding these you get: eighteen years, eight months, and six days; her age from birth till delivery of Obama Jr. I suspect you got your age from sites that also don't understand such concepts as the millennium started on Jan 1, 2001 and the decade we are currently in isn't actually over until Dec 31, 2010.

“You are wrong about the 14th Amendment Mexican babies. “

I never mentioned the 14th Amendment and have no idea why you think it would be relevant. It simply states:

” All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.”

This in no way addressed the question of what determines which type of citizen, and even fails to use that old fave of the Birfers :” natural born citizen”. This failure to do so shows that “born” would be the same as ” natural born” , “native born”, or “citizen by birth” in clear contrast to “naturalized”, which is the only other type of citizenship ( there are only two types – not three ).

I have also just experienced an epiphany: I, who berated others for trying to teach ferrets to yodel and hamsters to ride ten-speeds, am doing it: to the point I have ignored the fact that y'alls feet will never reach the pedals and have gone on to try and explain how the derailleurs work.


anitadunnce
Comment posted January 16, 2010 @ 6:44 pm

No, there are actually THREE categories, although we only learn in high
school history classes about natural-born and naturalized, as you said. The
third category applies ONLY to the POTUS. Our forefathers envisioned
exactly the sort of issue you mentioned when an illegal sneaks in, drops a
baby, and then the baby is a citizen…… as we all know regarding Mexicans
and Guatemalans especially, they have DIVIDED LOYALTIES up the ying-yang.
Of course, our forefathers never envisioned people sneaking across/under
borders for the PURPOSE of having kids here in order to take from the
U.S. With all of the attorneys in Congress, I cannot imagine why NO one has
proposed the repeal of that provision of the 14th Amendment!! It is just
wrong to have a law in place that encourages anyone to sneak in through our
borders…. either border.

You are aware of the original reason for the 14th Amendment to the U.S.
Constitution, right?

Earlier you mentioned that this is not in the Constitution….. you are
partially right…. the interpretations of the provisions regarding POTUS
qualifications and 14th Amendment anchor babies occurs as a result of U.S.
Supreme Court holdings, as it is in the courts where the interpretations of
all laws occur.

Now I will look up the Stanley Ann age matter. I have never heard anyone
before you (no matter which side of the Obama Constitutional legitimacy
issue they are on) claim that the girl was 18 or 19. By the way, the law
that dictated that she was too young to confer her citizenship on her child
is no longer the law.

BTW, what state are you in, Tire?
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anitadunnce
Comment posted January 16, 2010 @ 6:52 pm

BTW, isn't the claim by the Charles Lincoln guy that he is in love with Orly
Taitz just the most bizarre thing you have ever heard? His written
statement that she “needs [him] in every way imaginable, including for his
expertise in legal matters”, just gave me the creeps. So, was Orly sleeping
with the guy? Were she and Mr. Taitz having a 3-way? What does this
Lincoln guy even look like? While I am being creeped out, I want to be able
to envision a face…….. What is with this claim that she forsake
Lincoln's love for her husband's money? What money?? I have never heard a
single thing about Mr. Taitz, although I have googled him and tried to find
out whether he is a dentist, an attorney, what….. but money?? These
people are a couple of immigrants from a Communist country. What money?

Do you know the answers to any of these things? I cannot get over how
creepy this claim of being in love with Orly is. Is this Charles Lincoln
guy emotionally stable? For what reason was he disbarred, in what state,
and when? Were his actions criminal, and has he served any time? Very,
very creepy.
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tyrebitre
Comment posted January 16, 2010 @ 8:34 pm

“No, there are actually THREE categories, although we only learn in high
school history classes about natural-born and naturalized, as you said. The
third category applies ONLY to the POTUS.”

Wrong: there are still only two types – it just specifies that the POTUS has to be of the “by birth' variety.

“You are aware of the original reason for the 14th Amendment to the U.S.
Constitution, right”

Right. It was because the Southern states systematically stripped their black citizens of their basic Constitutional rights (however, it wasn't just the Southern states who did).

“the law that dictated that she was too young to confer her citizenship on her child is no longer the law.”

And never applied to her anyway: at the time Obama was born, there were laws which specified that ONE parent had to have been an American citizen for at least five years after turning fourteen. This law applied ONLY to naturalized citizens, not to anyone born a citizen as Obama's mother was. Even then, it applied only to children born without the USofA to naturalized Americans: remember, even if your parents are aliens, you get hatched within the borders, you get citizenship ( of the natural born variety ) except under very rare circumstances such as being born to the agents of a foreign nation who are in the states in official capacities.

“BTW, what state are you in, Tire?”

Mississippi: born and raised – have always lived along the coasts of Mississippi, Alabama, and Louisiana.


tyrebitre
Comment posted January 16, 2010 @ 9:20 pm

“BTW, isn't the claim by the Charles Lincoln guy that he is in love with Orly
Taitz just the most bizarre thing you have ever heard? “

What about Orly ISN'T bizarre ? I can't answer any of your question except to say I wouldn't find anything beyond belief where these people are involved. I don't know what he looks like, but I do know that Orly loves to have her photos done with a definite ” come hither and fornicate ” attitude about them: and , yes, I do find them creepy. I will have to accept Mr Lincoln's statements about how he feels about Orly as factual until someone discredits them.

All I know about her poor hubby is : he is the CEO of a company called Daylight Chemical Information or DAYLIGHT CIS. I have no idea what they do or if he has wealth because of it, but I have to assume he does since Orly couldn't possibly be successful as either a lawyer or dentist; and, having been involved with real estate my entire life, I can't imagine her as a successful broker or agent.

“Is this Charles Lincoln guy emotionally stable”

He is a rabid Birfer and in love with Orly: I think your question is answered.

“For what reason was he disbarred, in what state,
and when? Were his actions criminal, and has he served any time?”

He was disbarred in Texas, for opening a checking account using a fake SSN to store money he obtained from a client under false pretenses. He served no time and the disbarment was from a plea agreement. I am not sure when this all happened.

Now, I have a question (or questions): HOW can you realize all this about these Birfer nutcases; be aware of the various arguments involved about eligibility, post reasonable sane and grammatically correct posts; and STILL maintain that the Birfers are basically correct in their stance in spite of the facts and their being beat like a cheap rug every time they have had their “day” in court ?


Anthony
Comment posted January 17, 2010 @ 1:02 am

“mindless little lemming???”

Haven't you realized that there is absolutely nothing that supports your conspiracy theory. No laws, no facts, nothing. Now, you complain about lemmings. Birthers are and always will be disillusioned.


anitadunnce
Comment posted January 17, 2010 @ 1:13 am

Mississippi…. I lived and studied in Vienna, Austria for a year in
college, I have visited Istanbul twice, I have been to Malta, but I have
never, ever been to the Deep South of our own country. I have always
felt so conflicted, because as a child I romanticized “Gone With the Wind”
and that era, and I have always wanted to visit an antebellum plantation
including amazing mansion, but intellectually I recognize of course that it
was a hideous and difficult time…… and that a soaring economy cannot be
sustained on free labor in which humans have fewer rights than farm
animals…… obviously the pre-Civil War days were good only for those who
were white AND wealthy. It was good for them only if they also had no
conscience and could stomach seeing innocent children ripped out of their
black mothers' arms, and husbands sold away from their wives.

Since I grew up in and went to high school in a western state in which the
largest town was about 80,000, I had no exposure to blacks except for about
two athletes at the local state college and maybe one pimp…. a horrid and
unrealistic representation of an entire race/culture just 5-6 yrs after the
Civil Rights Act of 1964 signed by Pres. Johnson.

In undergrad at a private university out in Oregon I began dating a black
guy immediately freshman year………. it was the early '70's and I had no
clue about what these guys were so angry about. This elitist white school
(the first girl I met on campus was the daughter of the producer of the
Doris Day Show, Don Genson……. her dad sent her up to college in his
Rolls Royce. Can you imagine?? I must have been one of the poorest kids on
the campus, as my parents were both teachers/college faculty, and I
waitressed and worked all the way through (parents paid my tuition,
however). The university actively recruited students from Watts in L.A. and
Albina in Portland, OR. The effort was well-intentioned, I think, but it
must have really screwed up these blacks students to get to college only to
find that there were only 21 blacks on the entire campus (therefore, much
like Stanley Anne, I really had to look to find black guys to date, but I
was drawn to a couple of them like a magnet…….. the strut, the amazing
bodies, and the beautiful, beautiful skin. I remember being so intrigued
because they were unlike anyone I had ever known…….. right down to the
dialect, using “bad” to mean “good”, the cake-cutters in the those days
sticking out of large Afros as a fashion accessory (pre-pick). I permed my
hair and wore an Afro, too, as I went barefoot to class, braless, and in
Maxi dresses.

I loved it all, and I had so much to learn about what these guys and their
families had experienced at the hands of “The Man”. I could not really
understand, because I had never been there, but I did recognize that police
stopped and questioned us if my roommate were just walking through the park
across the street from the campus in the evening, just because we were with
our two black boyfriends. We were unnecessarily hassled. We always
wondered if we were accidentally overlooked for seating in a cafe, or
whether it was intentional. My roommate (who is today a District Judge in
Washington State) and I thought it was just bothersome, but our two
boyfriends were really frightened at the police contact. Now I better
understand why. I knew I had no preconceived attitudes about the blacks on
campus, or blacks anywhere in the world, but as a guys seemed to care about
ME, he simultaneously hated my color. It was very hurtful and confusing for
an 18-yr-old good, but a good growth experience. I was just so clueless.

I think I understand what was going on with Stanley Anne, as I remember that
for several years I felt deeply that there would be nothing so beautiful and
amazing as to give birth to a black baby. In my youth and naivete, I
remember thinking that would be the answer, for everyone to intermarry and
blend together so that all the racial hatred could stop. So stupid I was.
That would not stop anything, as racism will always continue in one form or
another. I am divorced now and never had any children, white or black or
otherwise.

BTW, I saw “Gone With the Wind” in Vienna, with Rhett Butler speaking German
(not sub-titles). Instead of “Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn[ ]“, he
says “Offen gesagt ist es mir egal[ ]“. Literally: “Openly said, it is all
the same to me.” It really loses something in the translation, doesn't
it?? :)
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Anthony
Comment posted January 17, 2010 @ 1:18 am

What will you do when we discover that what was posted is factually false. Remember you will be called out on your misinformation, and no one will trust any of your comments as being truthful.


Anthony
Comment posted January 17, 2010 @ 1:23 am

Wow a “birth conspiracy theorist wingnut” be a better description for people who believe in your nonsense.


anitadunnce
Comment posted January 17, 2010 @ 1:23 am

I neglected to respond to this comment earlier: *”Now, I have a question
(or questions): HOW can you realize all this about these Birfer nutcases;
be aware of the various arguments involved about eligibility, post
reasonable sane and grammatically correct posts; and STILL maintain that the
Birfers are basically correct in their stance in spite of the facts and
their being beat like a cheap rug every time they have had their “day” in
court ?”*

The only part of the so-called “Birfer” movement with which I agree is that
we have every right to see Obama's documents, and it is highly suspicious
that he has spent, by some estimates, nearly $2M keeping the records
concealed. What in the HELL is this man hiding? With regard to the
dismissals of these numerous cases on the Constitutional legitimacy issue, I
think the answer is two-fold: a) Some judges are so liberal that they are
offended by the very question; b) In many more of the cases, Orly's
offensiveness brings about the bad results. Some people, like Orly, forget
the basics when it comes to dealing with judges. Despite all their training
to stay impartial and to base decisions on reason and evidence, and despite
the fact that I believe that most of them are honest and good and
hard-working and generally make every effort to do that, at the end of the
day, they are just human beings and spouses and parents and offspring. It
does NOT advance Orly's cause for her to be disrespectful, to make
accusations against judges, and to generally piss them off.

She already has been held in contempt and sanctioned. I think it may be a
short hop, skip and a jump to a grievance filed by one of the judges. THAT
grievance will carry great weight, and then the woman is toast. She will
have to go back to filling teeth and responding to grievances regarding med
mal.
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anitadunnce
Comment posted January 17, 2010 @ 1:25 am

Anthony, I have no interest in responding to posts such as yours, in which
you are just openly rude and cannot come close to understanding that there
are bona fide view points that differ from yours. Have a nice night.
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Anthony
Comment posted January 17, 2010 @ 1:44 am

Ignoring the facts in no way how to support an argument. A Hawaiian Certification of Live Birth is all the proof that is needed for a person born in Hawaii to prove that they are a natural-born citizen.

Keep digging you will never reach bottom. However, by dropping your conspiracy theory then we can discussion the real issues facing America.


Anthony
Comment posted January 17, 2010 @ 1:50 am

The easiest why of becoming an American citizen is to be born on American Soil. That is how Obama became an American citizen, and a natural born citizen. His mothers age is irrelevant to the issue.


Anthony
Comment posted January 17, 2010 @ 1:52 am

By making things up, you make yourself look silly. All of these argument that you have presented have been rebutted. Do you honestly believe that 1 year later they would automatically become true. Yes, many of your arguments are over a year old.


Anthony
Comment posted January 17, 2010 @ 2:13 am

Then why bother birther lemming.

“Rude” Someone pointing out that you have nothing to support your position is rude.

A mountain is a mountain. However, a person might dislike mountains, while another might like mountains. That is a difference in opinion. A mountain is a fact.

When the state of Hawaii issues a birth certificate and calls it a “Certification of live Birth” it is a birth certificate. When the state of Hawaii confirms that the information of the birther certificate then the authenticity of the “Certification of live birth” is a facts.

There is no bona fide view point when a person is ignoring the facts, it is called a disillusion.


Anthony
Comment posted January 17, 2010 @ 4:14 am

The only suspicious behavior is that who try to argue around/away a certificate of live birth. There is no $2 millions or any amount associated with the president hiding his records.

Answer one simple question.

Why do some refuse to accept the confirmation by the State of Hawaii that Barak H. Obama is a natural-born citizen?


tyrebitre
Comment posted January 17, 2010 @ 4:22 am

Interesting reply. You do realize that the South of “GONE WITH THE WIND” no more existed than the America of John Wayne ? The horrors of slavery and the shock waves of both slavery and emancipation are still with us, little muted in much of the deep South.

I am of your age group, plus a little: the first time I was on campus with a black person was as a freshman in college ( 1965 ). I well know the treatment you described of both blacks and any white person who would be seen associating with them: I also understand the fear the guys would have felt – I was subjected to both for having black friends.

Knowing these things, you should be aware of the true reasons the BIrfers exist: it has nothing to do with where Obama was born – it is pure racism. They are terrified of a black person in a position of power; especially to the most powerful elected office in the world.

Still, I refuse to abandon Mississippi ( and the USofA ) to the ignorant and bigoted: which is why I confront the Birfers, Teabaggers, Freepers, Tenthers, and Palinistas.


anitadunnce
Comment posted January 17, 2010 @ 12:04 pm

Not interested in communicating with you, ANTHONY. I have no respect for
the rude way in which you present your “views” and your lack of regard for
others. I have asked you to stop bothering me. This is 2nd request. Your
continuing rudeness is yet another example of your inability to communicate
about issues. I owe you no explanations, so you receive none. Harass
someone else, or better yet, do not bother anyone unless you can find
someone who likes to hear from you.

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anitadunnce
Comment posted January 17, 2010 @ 12:33 pm

Oh, I think the South of Margaret Mitchell's novel did exist, but for so few
that it clearly was not representative. It occurred for Thomas Jefferson
and other wealthy whites. If one was a poor white, or a person of any
color, however, life was pure hell. Of course, for women of every color,
life was fraught with nothing but problems.

Question: how do you deal with soggy Oreos and graham crackers and Saltines
in Mississippi? and granola…… I cannot imagine granola becoming soggy
BEFORE the milk hits it! :)

So you are 6 years older than I….. you must be about 62, unless you have
already had a January birthday this year. It must have been nothing but
short of amazing to be an American college student in the '60's! Did you go
to college in the South? If you did, I can easily imagine that you were
very rare to have black friends….. and in fact, it must have been
extremely rare for blacks to have attended college in the South. I can
surmise also that it may have been difficult for your friends to have a
non-black friend. If you are male (and I suspect that you are), did you
date black women? Did you marry a black woman? Do you have black
children? How is it today in the South to be in a mixed marriage, mixed
love relationship? Is it particularly safe for the involved parties?

Is the KKK growing in numbers, as I understand the Neo-Nazis in Germany
are. We don't learn much from the past after all, do we?

I told you that I have no children of any hue, but I have not given up yet
the idea of adoption, although of course I have entirely missed the boat for
adopting a toddler, unless I want an award for the oldest parent ever to be
President of the PTA (I think most school districts now call it PTO,
actually). It might be pushing it, but I still have thoughts of adopting
maybe an 8- or 9-year old daughter. I recognize that I need to do that this
year, or forget about it. I also have considered that at my age, maybe I
should just get involved with a man who has tiny grandchildren….. then I
can care for little children, bake with them, sing and read with them,
garden with them, teach them German, all without being the most ridiculous
old mother anyone has ever seen.

This morning during the George Stephanopoulos show, some footage of Teddy
Pendergrass was played during the “In Memoriam” segment. I was completely
unaware of this artist. Seeing and hearing him, however, did bring to mind
the black music that I “discovered” in the fall of 1971…… I loved the
Chi-Lites beyond all reason. I also adored The Temptations, as well as
Smokey Robinson and The Miracles. I still have all my vinyl record albums
from those years (also Bread, Moody Blues, America, and Carly Simon) and
play one from time to time so that I can relive for a few moments the
happiest four years of my life.

Generally, you probably are correct about the reasons for the so-called
“Birther” movement. I, however, and hundreds of thousands of Americans just
like me, would have the very same questions for Obama if he were openly a
Brit or an Italian or a German or a Frenchman or a Greek who were trying to
subvert the U.S. Constitution. I submit again that Obama's expensive
ultra-concealment of his records…. college, medical, long-form birth
certificate, etc. is highly suspicious. The man is obviously hiding
something, and all his promises of “transparency” were nothing but lousy,
flippin' phoniness. I no longer have any respect for him. In fact, I am no
longer a Dem, although I was president of the Teen Dems in my town during
high school. I re-registered as an Independent last summer. Online I
recently joined the Tea Bag party. I wish only that I had the time to
attend a few of the demonstrations in D.C. In my view, Obama is the most
sickening of all elitists, as he put on the facade of being just “one of the
guys” until he got elected. Now he appears to be all for screwing people
over. He has accomplished zilch in 12 months, and I believe that he does
NOT deserve a second term. These issues have not a single thing to do with
race or color, in my view.

My city has had a black mayor, a black District Attorney….. I would not
say that I have problems with black men Or black women, either…… Oprah
is the best! and she is more powerful than many politicians) in powerful
positions. Your comment to the contrary is too general and suffers from
overbreadth, in my view.

Later….
Anita (not my name, of course :)
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anitadunnce
Comment posted January 17, 2010 @ 12:34 pm

BTW, who are the “Freepers, Tenthers, and Palinistas”???
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AnotherBird
Comment posted January 17, 2010 @ 7:05 pm

I see and understand why some people might be confused by this issue. There is a lot of misinformation on the internet and you should take time and sift through it.

Please start here
http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/obama.html

All the best of luck.


anitadunnce
Comment posted January 17, 2010 @ 8:50 pm

Oh, c'mon, Bird— This is not a matter of confusion regarding the
definition of long-form birth certificate, or the inability to request it.
Obama has spent nearly $2M by some accounts on attorneys to KEEP ALL of his
records CONCEALED. By the way, the birth certificate that we have never
seen…. no one has seen….. not Bill O'Reilly, no one….. would contain,
among other things, the name of the delivering doctor AND the name of the
hospital. Obama and his half-sister have provided two different hospital
names for his birth, and neither of those locations will claim him.

This man is the OPPOSITE of “transparent”. I have left the Democratic Party
over this issue, and I am not alone. Do you still think that for Dems who
held local leadership positions and who supported the party and campaigned
door-to-door since the early 1970's to leave this party is easy, or that it
is without meaning? No, it is neither.

Obama is going to get a huge wake-up call in 2010, and a bigger one in
2012. The man just continues to lie to us.
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tyrebitre
Comment posted January 17, 2010 @ 11:48 pm

“Oh, I think the South of Margaret Mitchell's novel did exist, but for so few”

It wasn't an accurate view: a caricature at best.

“Question: how do you deal with soggy Oreos and graham crackers and Saltines”

LOL Believe it or not, we actually have things like ac and windows with real glass. Humidity is a bitch, but you learn to deal with it.

You are concerned about the subversion of the Constitution ? And secrecy ? Concealment of documents and records ? Then where were you and all the Teabaggers for the 8 years of the Bush Administration ? I find your ( and their ) “concerns” to ring hollow UNLESS you fatten it with some racial decibels.

“most sickening of all elitists”? Do you really want the highest office to be filled by an average, mundane buffoon again as is was for the prior two terms ? Haven't you had enough of not having an “elite” in the driver's seat. Would you want your brain surgeon to be the guy in the lower rankings or the “elite” few at the top ? This is one of the most amazing of the traits of the Conservatives: their instant latching upon the most unqualified, idiotic of persons to lead them for reasons that wouldn't make sense to a retarded third-grader ( ie: Joe the Plumber, Glenn Beck, Sarah Palin, Michael Savage, etc. & so on, ad nauseam ). Obama hasn't accomplished all he wanted to or much I wanted him to, but it wasn't unexpected: it's not like he isn't dealing with the most completely fuked state of the union since the Great Depression ( and perhaps not even then – we weren't in a fake war then ). Keep in mind, if the guy who drove the car before you ran it headlong into a tree just before giving you the keys, you aren't going to immediately be able to race it. And the majority of the obstructionism is coming from racism – admit it or not – for we know that intellectual honesty is not even a concept among the liturgy of the right.

I , personally, cannot abide Oprah ( or Okra , as she is known ). I have a lot more of a problem with her followers than with her: there is something basically wrong with a bunch of upper-middle class white women who let a black women tell them to vote for a black man over a woman who represented all the issues directly affecting them more to their benefit ( though I think in the overview Obama was the correct choice at the time / for the time ). As you point out, the fact that she has more influence than many powerful politicians is NOT something I can construe as “good”.

“Anita (not my name, of course :)”

LOL Of course it isn't: but then, I think we established that long many posts back.

BTW: TIRE ( or Tyre ) isn't really mine either.


tyrebitre
Comment posted January 18, 2010 @ 12:10 am

MISSED A SECTION:

You hit the age exactly. I did go to Southern schools : University of Southern Miss, Tulane, and Jackson School of Law ( or , as we like to call it, JACKSON School of Law & Sheet Metal ). Having spent the majority of my adult life either married, or fully occupied raising my girls ( single parent ), there hasn't been that much in the way of dating for many years, but , yes, I have dated black women and women of other races : I was out last night with a young lady who was mixed – half Indian ( India “indian” ) and half white. Dating outside your “kind” is still somewhat un-Kosher, but getting more common. Any “looks” I received last night I would attribute more to the difference in our ages and the fact she was drop-dead beautiful; not the fact she was suavely brown and I was shine-in-the-dark white. As one of my friends once put it : ” I just like pretty women; I don't care what color they are.”

Yes, hate groups and the Klan are re-surging – not as much here as lots of other areas of the USofA – Ohio, for instance, has more recognized hate groups than Mississippi.

Another thing I forgot to mention: even though we are still attached to our “y'all”s, not everyone who lives in the South is barefooted, uneducated, and married to their sisters.
I wear shoes ( boots actually ), have 2 degrees ( both useless ), and sis and I seldom even date.


tyrebitre
Comment posted January 18, 2010 @ 12:39 am

FREEPERS = people who follow and post to the site called “Free Republic”. These are the original base for the Teabaggers and the home of the militia crazies and konspiracy klowns. These are the folks who post and re-post the myriad e-mails about Obama, the Dems in Congress, and anything they can concoct about anything liberal : all of which are then debunked ( which fails to even slow the proliferation ) but does give the many debunking sites something to do. FREEPER offspring are known as “freeplings”, and can be observed and noted at any Freeper gathering for the preponderance of them being buck-toothed, cross-eyed hemophiliacs.

TENTHERS are what were formerly known as “state's righters”. Another loosely bound bunch of idiots who declare that the majority of our current federal statutes are illegal under the Tenth Amendment.

PALINISTAS are, of course, the goons who mindlessly follow her and show up to shout such things as ” KILL THEM” when she demonizes Obama . libs, and Demoncraps by referring to them as ” commies ” , “Fascists”, “socialists”, and “liberals” – all words that none of them know the actual meanings of, but which they have been assured are “bad” and ” not something a REAL American would want “. To the Palinistas, when Sarah uses the term ” commonsense” fifteen times in one sentence, she has effectively shown the superiority of the “average Joe” over the “educated elite” and established a policy of “commonsense solutions” to all our problems, even though she has no sense beyond the survival instincts of a bitch.


AnotherBird
Comment posted January 18, 2010 @ 4:58 am

Yes, I hear over and over again the request by some for the president to release his long form. However, the State of Hawaii has release several statement confirming that they have seen Barak Hussien Obama's official birth certificate.

Anyways, I am very confused by the State of Hawaii claim that Obama is a natural born citizen, and other claiming no. I would have thought that an America a government agency would have an official say in the validity of a birth certificate and citizenship.

I actually have seen the digitized version of the presidents birth certificate. It has “Certification of Live Birth,” which seems to be the format that the State of Hawaii releases all birth certificates.

Hawaii has claimed Obama as being born in Hawaii. However, it refuses to release any additional information. They state that Hawaii “prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record.” I agree with the policy, as it protects the individual's rights.

It looks like I will have to stay with the word of the State of Hawaii, as there seems nothing but conjecture to suggest that Obama hasn't released his birth certificate.


ellid
Comment posted January 18, 2010 @ 7:12 am

How does one “stupfed” someone? What language is this, Wendish? And why should I care?


ellid
Comment posted January 18, 2010 @ 7:15 am

Birth on American soil is all that is required. Having an American citizen as a parent is not relevant. Go away, birther.


ellid
Comment posted January 18, 2010 @ 7:18 am

No, it isn't the most bizarre claim I've ever read. That would have to be Orly Taitz's alleged “discovery” of Obama's attendance at Patrice Lumumba University in Moscow because she found a student named “Roman Obama.” That Roman Obama looked as much like Barack (who was in America, not Russia, at the time) as he looked like Chiang-Kai Shek doesn't seem to have penetrated her little pea brain….


ellid
Comment posted January 18, 2010 @ 7:19 am

Wrong. You really should see a psychiatrist, “Anita” – or is that really a name beginning with, say, “O”?????


ellid
Comment posted January 18, 2010 @ 7:21 am

Gone with the Wind was a novel and later a film. It was not history for anyone.

You, on the other hand, are annoying….


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted January 18, 2010 @ 10:53 am

“Obama has spent nearly $2M by some accounts on attorneys to KEEP ALL of his records CONCEALED.”

Prove it or STFU, you lying sack of dung. You're a traitorous disgrace to the U.S.

You keep repeating the same birfer lies disproved ad nauseam which is proof positive of your paranoid insanity.

“the name of the delivering doctor AND the name of the
hospital.”

More proof of your blatant racism, stupidity and delusional paranoia.

Name the hospital and attending physician for every President before Carter. Now explain where it's required in the Constitution for proof of eligibility to the office of President of the U.S.

You can't? That's because you're a deranged psychopath with more spare time than common sense. You're a disgrace to the laws of this nation.

Dumbass.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted January 18, 2010 @ 10:55 am

You're a liar, a lunatic and a dangerous psychopath.


ellid
Comment posted January 18, 2010 @ 11:23 am

You're a fine one to talk about civility, birther, considering that your handle insults a former government official.

As for your alleged knowledge of the law, it's zero. The President was born in Hawaii and is a natural born citizen. Period. End of statement.

Now go do something useful, like give blood.


ellid
Comment posted January 18, 2010 @ 11:27 am

Oh, like the 53% of the population that approves of the job the President is doing?

Give it up, birther. You're wrong. You're also annoying, obtuse and verbose, and disingenuous to a ridiculous degree.

Go away.


anitadunnce
Comment posted January 18, 2010 @ 11:36 am

Actually, as uninformed as I am about the South, I do know that you have
windows in the houses (unless you are barefoot in the Smoky Mountains and
living near the families of Tammy Wynette/Crystal Gayle or Dolly Parton).
Of course, those families must be quite wealthy now and must have moved to a
lower elevation and awesome digs.

You won't be surprised to learn that Oprah's endorsement of Obama is the
ONLY fault that I find with her! :)

You know that Oprah acquired her name only because hospital personnal was
illiterate? Her mother told folks at her birth that the baby was to be
called Orpah (apparently that is Old Testament)….. it was written with the
2 letters inverted. Just think: if her name had been accurately written,
her company would be Hapro instead of Harpo. Hmm.

I had Okra once as a child….nasty….my mother was doing the whole
“introduce the kids to strange vegetables” thing, and the list included
Brussels Sprouts, which we also did not like. She often gave us cooked beet
tops from the garden, but we complained that we wanted real Spinach like
Popeye. At one point, she got the spinach can out of the garbage for us
(long before separating cans out for recycling, obviously!!)….. we had no
clue that we had just eaten “real” spinach. I like weird things today like
couscous and tofu, but I cannot imagine that I could ever swallow a bite of
okra still. Mother just did not want us to head off to college like little
dunces who recognized nothing but peas and corn and carrots.
When anyone refers to me among the “Conservative” or Republican group, it
feels very weird. As I told you, I have always been a loyal Democrat until
last summer, and I was a Hillary supporter, so Oprah's strong suggestions to
the contrary did nothing to sway me. I am extremely frustrated with the
millions of blacks who supported Obama ONLY because he is (sort of) black.
I think it is understandable for folks who have been disenfranchised and
largely badly portrayed on TV for so long, but still, it is frustrating. I
doubt whether many of them would recognize a dangerous socialist policy if
it bit them right in the tail.

Do you have MLK Day off, or are you retired?

If it is a holiday for you, enjoy. I am in a cold winter place that is
expected to reach 60 degrees today, so it should be beautiful. The cats
will get to play in the backyard and sun on the patio……………..
although snow still covers my grass. I'm curious: does Mississippi even
have a mountain high enough to contain a ski resort? Do you have any of the
famous bluegrass of Kentucky or any horse ranches? Are cotton and coffee
still major industries, or tobacco??
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anitadunnce
Comment posted January 18, 2010 @ 11:42 am

Oh, damn! I hate it when I send off a note and then find a typo…… it is
personnel (misspelled personnal…. sorry)
I still want to take a Mississippi River cruise some day. I want to visit
the plantations along the way, see the river that met the eyes of young
Samuel Clemens, and see the slave blocks in New Orleans. In an
International Studies Professor's discussion of Haiti this morning on the
radio before I got up, he mentioned the blocks.
Biting the head off a crayfish I place in the same category as taking a bite
of okra. Several black guys over the years have promised to make me their
family recipe of Seafood Gumbo, but we have broken up before I ever tasted
it. I probably will have to get that in New Orleans…..
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anitadunnce
Comment posted January 18, 2010 @ 11:45 am

Oh, she is a “former” employee?? That is the BEST news I have heard this
week! Thank you for starting out my Dr. MLK Day on the right note! LOLOL
(sounds like you're in a raunchy mood, however)

You have -0- idea what my knowledge of the law is, so you're talking out of
your right ear, goofball.

Anita
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ellid
Comment posted January 18, 2010 @ 12:36 pm

*tosses Duncehead a bottle of Valium*


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted January 18, 2010 @ 1:47 pm

“You have -0- idea what my knowledge of the law is, so you're talking out of
your right ear, goofball.”

Your continuing rudeness is yet another example of your inability to communicate
about issues.

Idiot and a hypocrite.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted January 18, 2010 @ 1:48 pm

Why do you keep changing the subject?

Are you getting treatment?


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted January 18, 2010 @ 1:49 pm

Vapid, arrogant, deranged birfer.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted January 18, 2010 @ 1:52 pm

“Your continuing rudeness is yet another example of your inability to communicate about issues.”


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted January 18, 2010 @ 6:53 pm

“Your continuing rudeness is yet another example of your inability to communicate about issues.”


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted January 18, 2010 @ 1:56 pm

President Obama, a natural born citizen from the state of Hawaii, is still in office and will probably serve a second term.


anitadunnce
Comment posted January 18, 2010 @ 2:28 pm

I disagree, Pie. The liberals, Obama-supporters, and others who mindlessly
follow what Savior Barack dictates, have proven themselves to be nothing
more than a group of thugs. We have never before in Democratic politics in
the U.S. seen Dems act like this, so all I can conclude is that it is the
ugly Chicago criminal element that Obama has invited into the party, and
into the White House as Communists and Czars. (Hey, nice job, Barack Baby.
You're a chump.)

Here is a little treat for you, Pie, so that you can enjoy your foolish,
unschooled idol. You will want to be alone as you watch this so that you
can do things to yourself, because I am sure that is how this nauseating
piece will affect you.

Hint: if you are one of the few who find Michelle, her serious underbite,
and her horrid slumping posture to be attractive, you may want to visualize
Michelle as you do things to yourself…. ick, ick, and double-ick.

“I've Got a Crush on Obama”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKsoXHYICqU

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ellid
Comment posted January 18, 2010 @ 5:09 pm

Look, everyone! A birther found an old video on Youtube! And posted a LINK to it! Isn't that amazing?


ellid
Comment posted January 18, 2010 @ 5:46 pm

Because she hope that if she lies often enough and slings enough garbage about, no one will notice. She's wrong, of course, but it's fun to see someone self-destruct in public.


tyrebitre
Comment posted January 18, 2010 @ 8:08 pm

“I had Okra once as a child….nasty….”

Only because she cooked it wrong: she boiled it, in which case it turns into green and gray snot with seeds. You either eat it raw ( rinsed well to remove the hairs ) or fried : either way it is delicious. Slice it in small pieces, dip in batter of egg and milk, roll in flour and fry until golden: drain on wire rack ( very important to prevent it becoming soggy).

“I am extremely frustrated with the
millions of blacks who supported Obama ONLY because he is (sort of) black.”

Except this is another fallacy courtesy of the aforementioned Freeper types. This is the reality: 87% of registered black voters normally vote; 89% of registered non-Hispanic whites do. 69% of eligible blacks register: 75% of non-Hispanic whites do. However, in rates of participation considering all person who would be eligible, only 60% of blacks participate while 67% of eligible non-Hispanic whites do. Now, as a percentage of population, blacks are (estimated as of 7/1/08) to be 13.5% at 41.1 million persons: non-Hispanic whites are 65.6% at approximately 197 million – so, by population, whites (non-Hispanic) outnumber blacks by 5 to 1. Now, assuming that blacks closed the gap in participation between them and whites completely, it would add only about 1.7 million votes. ONLY a HUGE increase in NEW VOTER registration would cause a significant change and even then if 100% voted the same way, it would NOT be enough votes to carry a national election. Now, as for blacks voting for Obama simply because of race: 96% of black voters cast their ballots for Obama – in a traditional election, 89% of blacks vote Democratic. Therefore, based on traditional voting models, ONLY 7% of the total black vote could be solely for racial motives since in every other election, 89% have always voted for A WHITE CANDIDATE. I would say from a statistical viewpoint, the black vote is traditionally the most NON-RACIAL vote ever. Now, on the other side of this equation, how many whites voted AGAINST Obama solely on a racial basis ? If you judge by polls taken before , during, and after the election; a minimum of 40% of ALL REGISTERED REPUBLICANS and approximately 30% of all Independents SAID they would NOT vote for a black candidate, period. SO, where is the racism ?

“does Mississippi even
have a mountain high enough to contain a ski resort?”

Mississippi doesn't even have foothills: we barely even have toehills. A ski resort would be a difficult sell in any case, since we get an average of about 2 inches of snow every 5 to 10 years. Along the coast this is 2 inches every 20 to 30 years.

” Do you have any of the
famous bluegrass of Kentucky or any horse ranches? “

No, no bluegrass or major horse farms, though the areas between Mobile, AL and Pensacola, FL have some impressive horse ranches.

“Are cotton and coffee
still major industries, or tobacco??”

Cotton and soybeans: Mississippi has never been a tobacco or coffee area.


tyrebitre
Comment posted January 18, 2010 @ 8:33 pm

“and see the slave blocks in New Orleans. In an
International Studies Professor's discussion of Haiti this morning on the
radio before I got up, he mentioned the blocks.”

Interesting. I don't know where he got his info from, but there are no existent original slave blocks in New Orleans. I think there is a replica slave block in the museum of the Amistad Research Center on the Tulane Univ. campus.

“Biting the head off a crayfish I place in the same category as taking a bite
of okra.”

LOL. Well, I like okra, but you don't exactly bite the heads off: some people ( not I ) do suck the fat and juices from the heads, but you pinch the heads off.

“family recipe of Seafood Gumbo,”

Well, you might not like real gumbo: in order to be “gumbo”, true gumbo, it MUST contain okra. The word “gumbo” is from the Bantu word “ngombo” which simply means “okra”.


Anthony
Comment posted January 19, 2010 @ 4:40 am

I some how hit a sore spot with her. I really don't understand what I did, but if you could it would be helpful.


Another Bird
Comment posted January 19, 2010 @ 5:16 am

I am still waiting for any solid proof to your accusation, not conjecture.

Engaging in Character assassination kind of suggests that ones position is political or just a smear campaign.

I have yet to see any proof to support your position. However, the kind of behavior you are engaging in makes me very doubtful that there is anything to your arguments.

No proof and insults is all it seems that you have.


anitadunnce
Comment posted January 19, 2010 @ 9:16 pm

Bird, you have deluded yourself into believing that we are in communication,
and that I care what you think. Neither is the case, so I won't waste any
time responding to your note. I am just sick and tired of the attacks from
the far, far left, so I am shutting all of you out. BTW, I do not recall
what “accusation” you could possibly be referring to. I write to several
bloggers on several different topics. Please, please, do not write back to
remind me, because it is nothing I need to spend time on.
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anitadunnce
Comment posted January 19, 2010 @ 10:59 pm

Ellid: What makes you such a nasty human being? Is it the thug/gang
mentality of Obama's Chicago politics?

Hey, I have a GREAT idea, Ellid! Want to meet me to attend the Scott Brown
VICTORY party?? This is just the beginning of the death knell for the
Socialist, UNtransparent, Marxist, Communist Obama term. Your boy is TOAST
in 2012 LOLOL…. and it could not happen to a more deserving, more
deceptive man. Still: WHAT on earth is this creep HIDING by refusing to
reveal the contents of his passport records, birth certificate, medical
records, college transcripts?
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anitadunnce
Comment posted January 19, 2010 @ 11:01 pm

Bird: What causes you to continue to bait people who hold views different
than yours? Is it the thug/gang mentality of Obama's Chicago politics?

Hey, I have a GREAT idea, Bird! Want to meet me to attend the Scott Brown
VICTORY party?? This is just the beginning of the death knell for the
Socialist, UNtransparent, Marxist, Communist Obama term. Your boy is TOAST
in 2012 LOLOL…. and it could not happen to a more deserving, more
deceptive man. Still: WHAT on earth is this creep HIDING by refusing to
reveal the contents of his passport records, birth certificate, medical
records, college transcripts?
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anitadunnce
Comment posted January 19, 2010 @ 11:08 pm

You like that one, Ellid?? Here is another one….. it is the Cosmo
centerfold from circa 1985 for which the (hot) new (Republican!! who will
vote against Obamaflippincare) Senator Scott Brown,
Massachusetts…………. enjoy:

http://www.khow.com/pages/caplisandsilverman.html
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ellid
Comment posted January 20, 2010 @ 7:21 am

Ah, Senator Centerfold! I can't wait to see his reaction when he realizes how many leather bears are now masturbating furiously to his shaved chest and hairy legs.


ellid
Comment posted January 20, 2010 @ 7:22 am

I'm so glad you live in Massachusetts. Thanks to the socialist health care system founded by our dear former governor Mitt the Republican, you can get free treatment for your mental illness. Isn't that nice?


ellid
Comment posted January 20, 2010 @ 7:26 am

You're repeating yourself. Didn't you take your meds today? *pats on head and calls for a doctor to sign the Section 12*


ellid
Comment posted January 20, 2010 @ 7:30 am

Please provide proof of your alleged membership in the Democratic party in the form of a party registration card. Otherwise, kindly go back to the Lying Old Racist Home. Thanks.


Another Bird
Comment posted January 21, 2010 @ 7:21 am

You have presented an argument, but you haven't provide anything to support your position. Why are you getting mad.


Another Bird
Comment posted January 21, 2010 @ 7:24 am

We want to hear the facts that you have to support your position. Is this unreasonable?


ellid
Comment posted January 21, 2010 @ 7:27 am

Oh, Scott Brown is now attempting to pimp his daughters, much to their distress. He even joked about selling them to Mitt Romney for his sons! Isn't he a nice guy?


Anthony
Comment posted January 21, 2010 @ 8:36 am

I remember calling you disillusioned, and you got mad.

“If you are disillusioned with something, you are disappointed, because it is not as good as you had expected or though.”

You are sad by the election loss, as you thought that Obama wouldn't win. You mostly didn't vote for Obama, and sad that your candidate didn't win. You have witnessed court case after court case get dismissed, and are still waiting for a “Perry Mason” moment. That only happens in movies and TV dramas.

You seem more hung up on the fact that the presidents birth certificate has “certification of live birth” on it. The Hawaiian government has claimed Obama as one of it American citizens born in Hawaii.

P.S. if you knew any better you would realize that “Socialist, and, Marxist, Communist” different political philosophies. But when one is throwing around any argument to hide their disillusion this is expected.


anitadunnce
Comment posted January 21, 2010 @ 12:17 pm

Not mad…. simply not interested in your emails. If you do not know by now
about the fraud, lies, socialist agenda by the phony Obama administration
(and you have had 12 months to figure it out, even if you're a slow
learner), then there is not a thing that I can tell you to help you
to understand. I have no interest in communicating with clueless people, so
write to someone else.
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anitadunnce
Comment posted January 21, 2010 @ 12:20 pm

Bother someone else. I have no interest in communicating with clueless
people like you who sound unwell. Your emails are alternately
friendly/amusing and ugly/malicious. You accused me once of “deleting
[your] emails before [you] even sent them”. You sound as crazy as a $3
bill. Deal with your mental health issues however you need to, but don't
bother me again.
***********************************************************


ellid
Comment posted January 21, 2010 @ 2:55 pm

Sorry, but if you're too stupid to set the comment feature on this site so that replies to your posts don't end up in your in box, that's not my problem.

Then again, you're too stupid to tell the difference between mockery and friendliness, so I shouldn't expect competence.


ellid
Comment posted January 21, 2010 @ 2:58 pm

Again, I have sent you no e-mails. I don't have your e-mail address nor do I want it, since all you post is racist trash, most of it extremely rude. If you *are* getting my replies in the form of e-mail, it's because you haven't opted out of receiving them when you post.

Unobservant and incompetent as well as rude, stupid, and racist. What a fine example of 100% Americanism you must be.


jayhg
Comment posted January 21, 2010 @ 3:28 pm

LIAR…..Dunce……..you are not and never have been a Democrat…..you know, if you read these birfers, you will invariably find a few that say “I'm a lifelong democrat, but I had to change….” BULLSHIT…….there is not a single Democrat who believes that President Barack Obama is not a natural born American citizen and that he WAS BORN IN HAWAII. Only desparate birfers like you, DUNCE, flail around with this nonsense. But keep it up cause I'm enjoying it, actually……..


jayhg
Comment posted January 21, 2010 @ 6:53 pm

You're right, make the pie higher…..and anita what's her name is having a full on birfer hissy fit meltdown about it………and I'm enjoying the hell out if it!!


jayhg
Comment posted January 21, 2010 @ 6:54 pm

keep typing anita…..in a minute, you will have spouted every crazy bat shit birfer loony toon theory that's out there………


anitadunnce
Comment posted January 21, 2010 @ 8:00 pm

If you knew who I am, even you would realize immediately how ridiculous your
“stupid” comment sounds. I have told you this several times, but you still
do not understand it: I do not want to receive ANY emails from you.
Enough.
********************************************************************


anitadunnce
Comment posted January 21, 2010 @ 8:03 pm

Re-read the email that you sent to me at 2:39pm today. Unless you suffer
from Split Personality, you do realize that you continue to send emails
despite my oft-repeated statements that I do NOT want to hear from you.

Again, if you knew who I am, you would realize how ridiculous your “racist”
accusations against me sound. Stop.
********************************************************************************


anitadunnce
Comment posted January 21, 2010 @ 8:04 pm

Whatever you write about my lifelong party affiliation does not change the
fact. Your comments are not only false, but they are offensive. I do not
want to communicate with you, so kindly stop emailing me.
*****************************************************************************


ellid
Comment posted January 22, 2010 @ 12:06 am

For the last time, I HAVE NOT SENT YOU ANY E-MAILS. YOU NEED TO TURN OFF THE “SUBSCRIBE TO ALL REPLIES” FUNCTION OF THE WEB SITE WHEN YOU POST A COMMENT. Otherwise you will continue to receive e-mail notification of any replies, including mine.

If you're too dumb to figure it out yourself, ask a webmaster, but stop blaming me.


ellid
Comment posted January 22, 2010 @ 12:09 am

And for the dozenth time, I HAVEN'T SENT YOU ANY E-MAILS. YOU NEED TO TURN OFF THE “SUBSCRIBE TO COMMENTS” FUNCTION WHEN YOU POST.

When you do that, you'll stop receiving e-mail NOTIFICATIONS that someone has replied. I don't have your e-mail address, don't want it, and haven't sent you a single private mail.

Learn to use the Internet or go home. A CHILD knows more about posting than you do.


ellid
Comment posted January 22, 2010 @ 12:10 am

She really is stupid, isn't she? Can't even figure out how to turn off e-mail notifications, or how to reply to an unsubscribe message.

What an idiot.


anitadunnce
Comment posted January 22, 2010 @ 12:36 am

Interesting… so you are sending rude, random emails to anyone and
everyone. You're a real charmer…. also abusive and violent from the
manner in which you speak to females. Charming.
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Anthony
Comment posted January 22, 2010 @ 6:13 am

A $3 bill has more basis in really than any argument you have provide. You have nothing to support your nonsensical arguments.

You act like a real coward. Provide proof or drop your arguments.


AnotherBird
Comment posted January 22, 2010 @ 6:33 am

You seems to not understand how the software works. When someone replies to your comment, or make a comment on an article that you have commented on, you get a notification from disq. It really isn't that hard of concept to understand.

You can modify the notifications from your disq account, or select the “Do not subscribe” option. It is disq that sends the email notifications to your email address.

This is an open form and people are allowed to reply to your comments, and post comments to articles they have an opinion on.

Just stop replying to people's comments and they might ignore you.


Anthony
Comment posted January 22, 2010 @ 6:35 am

I just can't stop laughing.

Just turn your computer off and you will not get anymore notifications.


ellid
Comment posted January 22, 2010 @ 9:56 am

First, I'm female, so you can drop the “violent and abusive” nonsense.

Second, you are receiving my comments in the form of e-mails because you haven't clicked the opt-out box when you post.

Third, you badly need to calm down and take your meds.

Fourth, I neither know nor particularly care who are you. Your posts have told me all I need to know.


jayhg
Comment posted January 22, 2010 @ 12:10 pm

anitadunnce, fool, I MEANT to be offensive……..damn – hey guys, we've got a real live idiot here……..


jayhg
Comment posted January 22, 2010 @ 12:12 pm

ellid, it appears that anitadunce does not know how the software works……someone below told her, but I wasn't going to……I know I'm not e-mailing her, so if the good ole birfer can't figure it out, not my problem.


anitadunnce
Comment posted January 22, 2010 @ 12:20 pm

Here is the only response you deserve: .
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Anonymous
Comment posted January 22, 2010 @ 5:24 pm

If you in fact are female, Ellid, then I am very sorry for you. You have
been badly abused apparently, and thus lash out in anger and violence. All
of you who support Obama thus far appear to have at least one thing in
common: you have ugly, aggressive language and act like Chicago thugs,
goons, and gang-members. Now your boy has been slapped BIG-time in
Virginia, New York, and Massachusetts. It is no wonder you are angry. The
fraud who occupies the Oval Office for today, at least, has let all of you
down. I understand that it is not easy to put all your hopes in one whom
you consider to be the Second Coming, and have him turn out to be a
deceptive liar and a fraud. I’m sorry for all of us.
*************************************************************************


anitadunnce
Comment posted January 22, 2010 @ 12:24 pm

Here is a non-reply to your uninsightful, unfounded comment, JAYHG: .
*************************************************************************************


anitadunnce
Comment posted January 22, 2010 @ 12:26 pm

ANTHONY, try to get a clue here: your ugly comments are coming INTO MY
EMAIL. I am NOT seeking out any of the uneducated, thug-like comments from
you and the others who wasted their votes on the fraud, Obama.
**************************************************************


Anonymous
Comment posted January 22, 2010 @ 5:36 pm

And has been pointed out to you again and again, all you need to do is opt out of receiving comments when you first post them. It’s right there on the log in, so why you are not doing it is beyond me.

You can also unsubscribe from each thread, per the nice little link at the bottom of each e-mail. Why aren’t you doing this? Are you truly that stupid or unobservant? Your shrieking makes no sense when the solution is so simple.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 22, 2010 @ 5:42 pm

Why, thank you ever so much for projecting your own abuse issues onto me. I am female (went to a Seven Sisters college), have never been struck in my life, and have zero history of abuse. I’ve also never been to Chicago, and am more amused by the idea of a soft core porn model as a Republican standard bearer than otherwise; if you knew diddly squat about Massachusetts (which you clearly don’t) you’d know that Martha Coakley has a lot of baggage from her work as a prosecutor that cost her votes, and that the so-called “referendum” on the President was about Coakley, not Obama.

As for calling a 48 year old man “boy,” not only is that a nasty throwback to the days when white people called black men “boy” as an insult, it’s not accurate. The only people who could claim Barack Obama as “their boy” are his parents and maternal grandparents. They are all dead. He is the President, not my property, and your assumption that I see him as some sort of possession or messiah is ridiculous.

As for you, you need to learn to opt out of receiving comments, then take your meds like a nice little mental patient and check yourself into McLean Hospital. You sound like you’re on the verge of a stroke because you can’t figure out how to opt out of receiving e-mail notification of comments. I hate to victim blame, but it’s not my fault, or Anthony’s, or anyone else’s if you can’t figure out how to click a pull-down button when you log in.


Make the Pie Higher
Comment posted January 22, 2010 @ 12:42 pm

“I would have thought that an America a government agency would have an official say in the validity of a birth certificate and citizenship.”

They do and they have.


Make the Pie Higher
Comment posted January 22, 2010 @ 5:47 pm

What makes you such an anger driven, deranged hypocrite and liar?

Oh yes, and complete idiot for your paranoid ranting about e-mail notifications when you are the total dumbass for subscribing to notifications. You’re a prime candidate for retroactive abortion.


Make the Pie Higher
Comment posted January 22, 2010 @ 12:49 pm

“Your continuing rudeness is yet another example of your inability to communicate about issues.”

And you're such a dumbass. Go look up “Do Not Subscribe” when you sober up.

Idiot.


Make the Pie Higher
Comment posted January 22, 2010 @ 12:57 pm

“Your continuing rudeness is yet another example of your inability to communicate about issues.” Your words. Ironic and a great example that you're a puerile coward and a hypocrite.

And you're a vile, shallow bigot with serious anger issues. Your use of Savior is a great indication of your psychotic and deranged nature.

Unschooled? You are one of the biggest idiots to ever post here. You couldn't even figure how to unsubscribe to e-mail notifications.


BRT
Comment posted January 22, 2010 @ 2:14 pm

Okay, this couldn't get much funnier.

The guys from South Park didn't write this, did they?


Anonymous
Comment posted January 23, 2010 @ 12:18 am

And yet you continue to write to me despite my repeated emails notifying you
that I do not want to hear from you. What is there about the word “no” that
you cannot understand????

*”ellid wrote, in response to anitadunnce:*
*And has been pointed out to you again and again, all you need to do is opt
out of receiving comments when you first post them. It’s right there on the
log in, so why you are not doing it is beyond me.*
*You can also unsubscribe from each thread, per the nice little link at the
bottom of each e-mail. Why aren’t you doing this? Are you truly that
stupid or unobservant? Your shrieking makes no sense when the solution is
so simple.”*
*
****************************************************************************
*


Anonymous
Comment posted January 23, 2010 @ 12:23 am

Ellid: and still you continue to send unwanted emails. What is there about
the word “no” that you cannot understand? Graduating from a good college is
not proof positive that you are sharp, since you appear to be a thug of the
ilk of the dishonest putative Prez. Call him whatever you wish; he is a
fraud…. and you are a clod.

If you honestly believe the puke spewed by Obama this week that the
Virginia, New York, and Massachusetts votes were NOT referenda on Obama, the
hideous job he has done for the past 12 months, his ObamaFlippinCare plan,
and his utter failure to address unemployment in this country, then YOU,
Ellid, are even MORE ignorant, delusional, and narcissist than the
fraudulent putative Prez who sits in the Oval Office for a few more months.
*******************************************************************************


Anonymous
Comment posted January 23, 2010 @ 12:24 am

Ellid: .
********************************************************************


Anonymous
Comment posted January 23, 2010 @ 12:26 am

Actually, you twit, what YOU can do is to STOP sending emails to me. If you
in fact graduated from a top-drawer school, which is a matter still in
question in my mind, then why can you not understand this simple matter.

“ellid wrote, in response to anitadunnce:
And has been pointed out to you again and again, all you need to do is opt
out of receiving comments when you first post them. It’s right there on the
log in, so why you are not doing it is beyond me.”
************************************************************************************


Anonymous
Comment posted January 23, 2010 @ 12:27 am

Why don’t you try what I and others have suggested? It’s certainly better than insulting people when we haven’t done anything except reply.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 23, 2010 @ 12:27 am

Pie, THIS is how high your email indicates to me that you rank on the
importance/intelligence scale: .
****************************************************************************


Anonymous
Comment posted January 23, 2010 @ 12:30 am

Hey, Ellid, you clueless Obama-sucking jerk: I am NOT logging in…..
because you and a couple of other thugs are writing emails to me, the notes
are coming directly INTO MY EMAIL. Stop sending emails, and they will stop
arriving in my inbox. NO one on this end wants to read your drivel. You
are right now one of about 3 dozen people in this nation who is still
deluded about the putative Prez. How many more days until his term is
OVER??????
***************************************************************************


Anonymous
Comment posted January 23, 2010 @ 12:31 am

Let me take you through this one more time:

1. I have not sent you any e-mails. I do not know your e-mail address, do not want to know your e-mail address, and am getting very sick of being screamed at.

2. To stop receiving e-mail notification of comments, all you have to do is click the “do not subscribe” pull down button on the log-in. It comes up when you log in to reply to an individual comment in the comment thread, and takes less than a second.

3. You can also click on the “unsubscribe” link at the bottom of each e-mail you receive. That will stop the e-mails cold.

4. If you can’t or won’t do #2 or #3, then you really are an idiot.

5. Thank you so very much for telling me about my own state, and for diagnosing me as an abusive, violent, stupid, ill-educated male narcissist. I’ll keep that in mind when I see my OB/GYN in May. I’m sure he’ll be very surprised.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 23, 2010 @ 12:32 am

Why haven’t you tried opting out? It’s very easy, and either you’re doing this deliberately to make yourself look like a victim, or you are so unskilled at using a computer that someone needs to take the keyboard away from you pronto.


Anthony
Comment posted January 22, 2010 @ 8:11 pm

Wow. That is what I thought. You have absolutely nothing to support your position. Thank you for finally admitting the truth.


Anthony
Comment posted January 22, 2010 @ 8:32 pm

It is an open form. You have no authority or potion to demand that someone no reply to a comment made. You are like a child in a public park crying because the other children are using the slide.

Please stop acting like a small child or turn your computer off.


Anthony
Comment posted January 22, 2010 @ 8:37 pm

“anitadunnce wrote, in response to ellid:

Ellid: and still you continue to send unwanted emails. What is there about

the word “no” that you cannot understand?”

Anitadunnce, you continue to embarrass yourself. It is disqus which is sending email notifications to your email in box, because you subscribed “to all comments” for this article. You can unsubscribe if you don't want anymore email notifications.


Anthony
Comment posted January 22, 2010 @ 8:50 pm

“anitadunnce wrote, in response to Anthony (unregistered):

ANTHONY, try to get a clue here: your ugly comments are coming INTO MY

EMAIL. I am NOT seeking out any of the uneducated, thug-like comments from

you and the others … “

If you don't know how the software works don't blame others. There are two opinions “subscribe to all comments” or “Do not subscribe.” The choice is yours.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 23, 2010 @ 1:53 am

How’s this, Ellid the Arschloch: here is a copy of the first part of your
recent email TO ME. IF you went to college, it undoubtedly was just one
semester of community college, because you are not too darned clever
(better yet, are you going to lie in the face of the obvious facts, just
like your Thug-in-Chief):

*”ellid wrote, in response to anitadunnce:*
*Let me take you through this one more time:*
*1. I have not sent you any e-mails. I do not know your e-mail address, do
not want to know your e-mail address, and am getting very sick of being
screamed at.”*
********************************************************************
*


Anonymous
Comment posted January 23, 2010 @ 1:54 am

You’re “sick of being screamed at”? This is another indication of your
projection regarding past abuse. Get help.
*********************************************************************


Anonymous
Comment posted January 23, 2010 @ 1:58 am

Yep, that’s right, Anthony, old buddy: if you want to listen to someone
with “absolutely nothing to support” his position, listen to your boy Barack
next Wednesday…………….. ha!! After the Scott Brown victory this
week, PLUS the bi-partisan balking at Obama’s pick of Bernanke, Wallstreet
is taking a NoseFlippinDive today………… I doubt whether you understand
such things, so you probably have no clue to what I refer. Read a book,
read a newspaper, get yourself some education…………. and take that
airhead Ellid with you!!
**************************************************************


anitadunnce
Comment posted January 22, 2010 @ 8:59 pm

Oh, wah, wah, wah….. when will you Obama-suckers STOP crying and whining
already??? Grow up, Anthony.
*******************************************************************


Anthony
Comment posted January 23, 2010 @ 2:05 am

Are you confused between the difference between a president and a Senator.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 23, 2010 @ 2:55 am

You make yourself sound so stupid. I have a hunch that you are about
average among the clueless wonders who supported Obama, however, so you’re
not alone.
********************************************************************


Anonymous
Comment posted January 23, 2010 @ 3:41 am

What’s the e-mail address? I did NOT write that, and I do not appreciate being slandered.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 23, 2010 @ 3:42 am

YOU are the one who’s convinced I’m persecuting you. I’ve never been abused in my life, and I am really, really tired of you projecting your fantasies onto me.

Get help. Fast.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 23, 2010 @ 3:47 am

For the fiftieth time, THAT IS NOT AN E-MAIL. THAT IS MY COMMENT BEING *SENT* TO YOU BY E-MAIL BY THE WASHINGTON INDEPENDENT. YOU WILL STOP RECEIVING THEM WHEN YOU OPT OUT OF SUBSCRIBING TO THE COMMENTS WHEN YOU FIRST LOG IN.

Why don’t you try THAT instead of calling me an asshole in German? Better yet, why don’t you get a site mod to explain it to you in words that you you will understand?


Anonymous
Comment posted January 23, 2010 @ 4:09 am

You’re a lunatic. You sent the note. Who else would send a note “from
Ellid”? Besides that, get yourself educated with regard to legal terms. This
email from you does not come close to “slandering” you. Lying Loser of the
Obama ilk.

NOW do you see what in the hell I am talking about when I say that I
continue to get emails from you, you flippin’ liar?
***************************************************************


Anonymous
Comment posted January 23, 2010 @ 4:10 am

Does not deserve a reply. You have lied about sending emails to me. I must
assume you are lying about everything else, too. Get a life, Ellid, and
stop this nonsensical game of yours.
*************************************************************


Anonymous
Comment posted January 23, 2010 @ 4:12 am

BTW, “persecuting” is YOUR term, you nutball. I have never said or thought
that. I have to believe that YOU are a prime example of the sort who
revered Obama as the Second Coming and now refuses to let go of the fantasy,
despite every sign to the contrary. You are truly pathetic.
************************************************************************


Anonymous
Comment posted January 23, 2010 @ 4:20 am

For the fiftieth time, it is in MY email. What is there about this fact
that manages to escape your understanding?
*********************************************************


Anonymous
Comment posted January 23, 2010 @ 4:20 am

You’re deranged. If you are in this sort of shape NOW, you will be in much
worse shape when your boy loses his majority in both houses, and then when
HE loses in 2012. I would laugh if you were not so pathetic.
******************************************************************


Anonymous
Comment posted January 23, 2010 @ 4:24 am

And you progress from abuse to slander. Nice.

Just for the sake of argument, why don’t you try LOOKING for the opt-out button? Or the unsubscribe link in your e-mail notifications?


Anonymous
Comment posted January 23, 2010 @ 4:26 am

No, it’s an e-mail feed from the Independent’s web site. You subscribed to it when you logged in upon replying to a previous post. You have to opt out of subscribing, either upon log-in by hitting the drop-down, or by replying to the unsubscribe link in the actual e-mail notification.

I have no idea why you persist in refusing to try these, but then again I have no idea why you claim to love black people while repeating racist slurs, so who knows?


Anonymous
Comment posted January 23, 2010 @ 4:27 am

You need to calm down, take a deep breath, and find the opt out function on this thread. Otherwise you will continue to get notifications when people reply to your posts.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 23, 2010 @ 4:28 am

Sorry, but I didn’t lie. I have no control at all over you receiving e-mail notifications from the Independent. Why don’t you try hitting the opt-out button when you log in to reply to a post? It would solve your problems and possibly save you from having a stroke.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 23, 2010 @ 4:31 am

No, I didn’t. The WEB SITE sent you an e-mail notification because you failed to opt out upon log in.

And you are indeed slandering me. I do not know your private e-mail, have sent you nothing, and quite frankly find you obnoxious. I have zero control over DISQUS or the Independent, and unless and until you realize that YOU have to do a little work here, you’ll keep getting a reply in your inbox every single time someone replies to your posts.

I’m sorry if you don’t like this, but seriously – it’s beyond my control, and calling me a liar won’t help you. Learning to unsubscribe and opt one, OTOH, might.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 23, 2010 @ 4:34 am

Here is where you need to go to stop receiving e-mails from Disqus or the Independent. http://help.disqus.com/forums/107435/entries/101350.

Then you can apologize for claiming that Anthony and I and everyone else were being mean to you. Seriously, check out that link or go back to your little town, where you can dream about repealing the Equal Protection Clause in peace.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 23, 2010 @ 4:34 am

http://help.disqus.com/forums/107435/entries/101350


Anonymous
Comment posted January 23, 2010 @ 4:35 am

http://help.disqus.com/forums/107435/entries/101350


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Comment posted January 23, 2010 @ 12:38 am

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Anthony
Comment posted January 23, 2010 @ 2:23 am

It seems that you are confused. It is you that are complaining. I am just stating a fact. However, I have been have a good laugh at you just not understanding how to stop disqus from sending you email notifications.

As I stated before you act like a spoiled brat, who even in a public space acts childish.

Instead of openly stating that you oppose the presidents policies, you decide to engage in a conspiracy theory. You try to present something that is a logical fallacy as a fact.

Barack H. Obama has release his birth certificate as issued by the State of Hawaii. The State of Hawaii has confirmed that they have Obama's original birth certificate, and that he is a natural-born citizen. You just can't accept the fact that Hawaii's Department of Health is the government agency in Hawaii that keep birth records.

You have two choices. Unsubscribe to email notification, or just don't reply to comments you would rather not read.


ellid
Comment posted January 23, 2010 @ 9:22 am

Take a look down thread: she accused me of being an abusive man. I wonder if this means Smith will want its diploma back since I managed to fool them (and my parents) into thinking I was female?


monkey99
Comment posted January 23, 2010 @ 3:58 pm

There you go! Humor!

Since truth and reason (not to mention irrefutable evidence) do not exist in the birfer lexicon, humor is absolutely called for!

I I posted a comment on an earlier birfer blog:

“It's like having someone naked, standing on your front lawn, smearing their own excrement all over themselves, in front of your living room window. It's disgusting, I know, but fascinating. It makes you wonder why they would do something like that. No one calls the police, because everyone's laughing so hard.”


ellid
Comment posted January 24, 2010 @ 12:13 am

Wow. It's been a day. I wonder if she's finally realized just how foolish she looked and crawled back home to continue her efforts to repeal the 14th Amendment?

*crosses fingers*


Anonymous
Comment posted January 24, 2010 @ 5:27 am

Ellid, here is your reply: .
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ellid
Comment posted January 24, 2010 @ 12:52 am

Nope. Anita's written the crazy all by herself.

Seriously, what kind of person could go around leaving comments all over the Internet and NOT know that you can unsubscribe to comment notifications?


Anonymous
Comment posted January 24, 2010 @ 5:55 am

Still haven’t figured out how to unsubscribe, have you? Wow. Makes me wonder just who’s logging you in, your six year old?


Anthony
Comment posted January 24, 2010 @ 1:19 am

The irritation associated with those that advance the birther conspiracy theory is their refusal to look at facts. We all know that you refused to look or even consider to look at the press releases issued by the State of Hawaii through the governor's office. You would have dropped your utter nonsense and find something else to do.

There is something call FUD. FUD is an acronym for fear, uncertainty and doubt. Sometimes misinformation is added to the definition, but FUD is nothing but misinformation.

Fear, by attempting to make a person scared of another person. Or to make a person prefer one alternative over the others by making then fearful.

Uncertainty, the make people unsure about the facts or make it seems that the issues have not been address.

Doubt, to make it seem as though there are alternative or many different interpretations of the facts.

Your attempt to suggest that people should release their documents in a specific format is your weak attempt to spread doubt. You want to make people believe that a birth certificate in a specific format has more weight that in another format. It isn't the individual who decides the format of their government issued documents it is the government agency who decides.

You push nonsense about how much the president is spending on defending himself, and make it seem as though he has something to hide. The laws of America allow all people to be protected under the law and to obtain legal representation. However, the White House does use lawyers for various purposes. Just throwing out a number is absolutely meaningless.

On the Hawaiian long form the term used is “Certification of Live Birth” and not birth certificate. Thus, a reasonable person will conclude that anyone presenting a Hawaiian Certification of Live Birth stating that they were born in Hawaii was born in Hawaii.

All Americans have a right to privacy, but you attempt to push the idea that the president has something to hide. Even after the State of Hawaii has stated that they have the presidents original birth records you attempt to that something is being concealed. The State of Hawaii like all other states issue copies, and keep the original there is a reason for this. So you attempt to push doubt about the presidents birth is feeble.

Why should anyone trust someone who is so utterly dishonest. You continue to spew you FUD without even considering how dishonest of a person it makes you. There are many people who will accept you misinformation as fact, but it is because they would rather believe a lie than the truth.

The interpretation of the comment you are referring to is wrong. The correct interpretation is that their is FUD being spread by those who have found a place to hide their political views. They are more interested in spreading FUD about the president's birth certificate.

Honestly, it is only a document. You make it seem as though it a new plot for a TV series.

The State of Hawaii Department of Health has seen the original birth record, and claim that the information about the president is factual.

You just continue to lie. Your comments are not only false, but they are offensive to all Americans.


ellid
Comment posted January 25, 2010 @ 11:30 am

I *think* she may have gone away in shame. But who knows? A person who wants to repeal the 14th Amendment is capable of anything.


jayhg
Comment posted January 25, 2010 @ 12:20 pm

and here is my actual reply back to you, anitadunce…..look everyone, anitadunce is being clever………NOT!!!!! Same old birfer bs…different midnight…..


ellid
Comment posted January 25, 2010 @ 12:50 pm

I want to see this on Youtube. Seriously. It would go viral within minutes.


WeAreRight
Comment posted February 1, 2010 @ 3:35 am

You need to read the following article instead of relying on unproven statements from birthers.
http://motherjones.com/politics/2010/01/whats-o…


WeAreRight
Comment posted February 1, 2010 @ 8:35 am

You need to read the following article instead of relying on unproven statements from birthers.
http://motherjones.com/politics/2010/01/whats-o…


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