Birtherism in the GOP

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Monday, December 14, 2009 at 3:00 pm

Ben Smith has a great catch – the North Dakota Republican Party fronting its website with a joke about the White House party crashers demanding President Obama’s birth certificate.

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The news here is the steady mainstream Republican acceptance of a deeply nutty and quasi-treasonous conspiracy theory about whether the president of the United States is really an American citizen. Yes, it’s just a joke here. But when’s the last time a Democratic Party web site fronted a joke about, say, whether Sarah Palin is the real mother of Trig Palin? (She is, by the way.)

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Name
Comment posted December 14, 2009 @ 3:18 pm

They'll get back to it as soon as associating Tina Fey's “I can see Russia from my house” with the actual Palin loses its luster.


Name
Comment posted December 14, 2009 @ 3:22 pm

Maybe you missed this, but Palin is not the elected President, or even Vice President, of the US. But I guess she's enough of a threat that you put her and Obama on the same playing field.


drpatois
Comment posted December 14, 2009 @ 3:22 pm

No one questions whether Sarah Palin is Trig's mother. They question whether or not she is his biological mother. By the way, how do you know for a fact she is his biological mother?


normk
Comment posted December 14, 2009 @ 3:30 pm

The Only people I have ever heard say something about Palin not being Trig's mother is Palin herself, or someone on Fox news – sometimes I think they get all these stories going so poor poor Sarah Palin, who the media picks on, can be her new reality. I have been an American for 51 years, Republican for 32 years, so you don't have to yell at me about being a liberal, I am really sick of that. But sometimes a person just has to speak up and say what's going on !!!! Tired of the GREED, and corruption, but will use my voice, brain and vote to try and change what I can. This Greed and corruption is on both sides people – WAKE UP please! And start thinking for yourselves not just regurgetating what you have heard from someone that is stating opinion and not FACTS.


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Antibirther
Comment posted December 14, 2009 @ 3:43 pm

What is interesting is that birthers are the rightwing version of 9/11 truthers. People who can recognize the absurdity of the truther’s claims, nevertheless whole heartedly embrace birtherism, and vice versa. Some of the best birther debunkers are hard core truthers.

This just goes to show that birtherism and trutherism have nothing to do with reality but everything to do with ideology.


Pete
Comment posted December 14, 2009 @ 3:43 pm

Who's “they”? Oh, you mean Andrew Sullivan?

For what it's worth, I actually believe Ms. Palin. When her water broke in Texas while carrying Trig, instead of going to a local hospital, she got on an eight hour flight and then drove a few hours from Anchorage while in labor in order to give birth in her hometown hospital. I mean, sure, when you're in labor with a special needs child the most responsible thing to do is to go as long as possible before heading to a doctor. I believe her.

As for the “I can see Russia” thing, Palin herself opened herself up to this satire by claiming with a straight face that Alaska's geographic proximity to Russia gave her foreign policy experience.


Pete
Comment posted December 14, 2009 @ 3:46 pm

Has Palin produced her birth certificate? Or is such a threshold of identification only demanded from black candidates with funny names.


mantis
Comment posted December 14, 2009 @ 4:45 pm

I know for a fact that it doesn't matter.


mantis
Comment posted December 14, 2009 @ 4:49 pm

What is interesting is that birthers are the rightwing version of 9/11 truthers.

Actually, many of the truthers are rightwing libertarians. The theories are very popular among Paulbots, for instance.

This just goes to show that birtherism and trutherism have nothing to do with reality but everything to do with ideology.

Actually…they are more about tribalism and paranoia, I think. It is the “paranoid style”.


strangely_enough
Comment posted December 14, 2009 @ 4:55 pm

Or enough of a trainwreck to lose the ability to look away…


strangely_enough
Comment posted December 14, 2009 @ 4:58 pm

That Hofstadter article is great, and may be even more timely today.


ellid
Comment posted December 14, 2009 @ 5:02 pm

And this has what to do with the nonsense about Obama being born in Kenya, or on Krypton, or Mars, or Equatorial Guinea? I agree that there's a lot of greed in Washington, but that has diddly squat to do with where the President was born.


bearclaw
Comment posted December 14, 2009 @ 8:27 pm

Yes, I'd say Sarah Palin gave Tina Fey the idea with the terrifying image of the Intercontinental Putin:

“As Putin rears his head and comes into the air space of the United States of America, where– where do they go? It's Alaska. It's just right over the border.” –Sarah Palin, explaining why Alaska's proximity to Russia gives her foreign policy experience, interview with CBS's Katie Couric, Sept. 24, 2008


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted December 14, 2009 @ 10:39 pm

You're an idiot.


ellid
Comment posted December 15, 2009 @ 9:56 am

Palin is no threat to the President. Her ravings are entertaining, however, especially when recited by master thespian William Shatner and a jazz combo consisting of double bass and bongos.


HRCin2012
Comment posted December 15, 2009 @ 4:39 pm

Birthers and Truthers are two sides of the same coin.


HRCin2012
Comment posted December 15, 2009 @ 4:41 pm

So…once we see the original BC & college records we can put this birther nonsense behind us. The fake raft-registration & multiple SSNs are really non-issues.


Everett Mann
Comment posted December 15, 2009 @ 5:19 pm

To All Sides in this idiotic “discussion”: the birth certificate is irrelevant. The de facto president is ineligible because his father was not a U.S. citizen at the time of BHO's birth (see Factcheck.org). Chief Justice John Jay, Emmerich Vattel, Congressman John Bingham and numerous court cases (12 U.S. 253, 18 U.S. 162, 169 U.S. 649) define a “natural born citizen” as possessing both jus solis (right of birthplace) and jus sanguinis (right of blood). These are the facts and everyone in power from Rahm to Cheney knows and is laughing at all of you.


J Nagel
Comment posted December 15, 2009 @ 5:41 pm

I am aware of many people stating Sarah Palin left a meeting in Texas to fly hme and have the baby. There plenty of people who knew she was pregnant. There are news accounts of Obama running for the Illinois state senate as a Kenyan.
It never really was an issue. Just a smear by very bad people.

The birth certificate he has presented is not worth the powder to blow up. A copy of the original would put all this to bed.


Sage
Comment posted December 15, 2009 @ 7:33 pm

The average “birther” is irrational or bigoted or unhinged — often all of the above.
For the birther brood, it's not enough to oppose the President's politics: these people are so consumed with loathing for Mr. Obama that they abandon reason and ethics in the hopes of disenfranchising him. They are looking to de-legitimize the Office of the POTUS and they' re not at all concerned with the means by which this is accomplished — some of them want the President (and his wife) to be arrested, others have darker things in mind, things I won't repeat. You can google “freeper” or “birther” and read all about their intentions. Sadly, it's no surprise that the GOP establishment is courting this group.


accc
Comment posted December 15, 2009 @ 7:58 pm

Amazing that a commie writer such as yourself hurls the “quasi treason” statement at citizens when they are well within their right to question their government about anything they damn well want to ask? I must've missed that part in the first amendment about not being allowed to ask questions of the government? Perhaps someone can explain to me when exactly was Obama lying? Was it when he ran for Senate and stated on video that he was born in Kenya or was it when he swore he was a natural born American?


ellid
Comment posted December 15, 2009 @ 7:58 pm

Sorry, but what was posted on line is good enough for the Hawaiian government, the federal government, and the Electoral College. FAIL.


ellid
Comment posted December 15, 2009 @ 8:00 pm

Vattel is not American law and never has been. Anyone born on American soil, save for rare exceptions like the children of diplomats, is natural born. Period.

Don't let the door hit you on the way out.


ellid
Comment posted December 15, 2009 @ 8:01 pm

The birth certificate was posted over a year ago. The college records are not relevant. And all of this was pointed out to you in multiple other threads.

Go get a new hobby. Perhaps the local children's hospital could use an over-age candy striper?


ellid
Comment posted December 15, 2009 @ 8:09 pm

Attempting to overthrow the duly elected and sworn President of the United States by unconstitutional means comes very close to treason.

Also, Obama never said he was born in Kenya.

FAIL.


katahdin
Comment posted December 16, 2009 @ 12:12 am

Of course you have the right to any question you want, but anyone else has the corresponding right to point out that you are nuts. Rightwingers always forget that freedom of speech doesn't only apply to them.


Montana
Comment posted December 16, 2009 @ 12:29 am

I cannot believe any of you are putting Sarah Palin down. She is the most known woman republican ever. She almost made it to the White House, but now all she is trying to do is put food on the table, you think her husband can keep up with the lifestyle to which she has become accustomed.

And so what if she took two different planes back to Alaska from Dallas, Texas when she was in labor with Trig. I mean so what if Alaska Airlines spokesman said that they were not aware that she was in labor.

She is not a quitter, she is reloading, so watch out she will be your President, like it or not.


katahdin
Comment posted December 16, 2009 @ 12:43 am

How does one register a raft?


Beckwith
Comment posted December 16, 2009 @ 4:28 am

Weigel is an idiot. The birthers don't question Obama's citizenship. They question his “natural born” citizenship status — there is a difference — but it's difficult for an Obot, like Weigel to comprehend that.

Obama has lived for almost 50 years without leaving any footprints — none! There is no Obama documentation — no bona fides — no paper trail — nothing.

Original, vault copy birth certificate — Not released
Certification of Live Birth — Released — Counterfeit
Obama/Dunham marriage license — Not released
Obama/Dunham divorce — Released (by independent investigators)
Kindergarten records — Records lost by State of Hawaii
Soetoro/Dunham marriage license — Not released
Soetoro adoption records — Not released
Fransiskus Assisi School School application — Released (by independent investigators)
Punahou School records — Not released
Soetoro/Dunham divorce — Released (by independent investigators)
Selective Service Registration — Released — Under suspicion
Social Security Number — Under suspicion
Occidental College records — Not released
Passport — Not released and records scrubbed clean by Obama's terrorism and intelligence adviser
Columbia College records — Not released
Columbia thesis — “Soviet Nuclear Disarmament” — Not released
Harvard College records — Not released
Harvard Law Review articles — None
Illinois Bar Records — Not released.
Baptism certificate — None
Medical records — Not released
Illinois State Senate records — None
Illinois State Senate schedule — Lost
Law practice client list — Not released
University of Chicago scholarly articles — None

The Illinois State Archives told Judicial Watch that they never received any request from Senator Obama to archive any records in his possession. In 2007, Obama told Tim Russert that his records were “not kept.”

And there's less on the web every day. In time, the entire Obama body of knowledge will consist of 3 documents — “Dreams From My Father” — “The Audacity of Hope” — and the latest — “Change We Can Believe In” — all written by Barack Hussein Obama or his “ghost-writers.”

Just an accident? I don't think so.


EyeOnTheLaw
Comment posted December 16, 2009 @ 7:26 am

Everyone appears to agree that President Obama’s original birth certificate would end the controversy. We want to hear from you. Please explain why you think President Obama has not produced or should not produce his original birth certificate:
http://eyeonthelaw.blogspot.com/


ellid
Comment posted December 16, 2009 @ 9:37 am

Um, since when does a handful of reactionary fanatics and a Moldovan with a mascara fetish equal “everyone”?


ellid
Comment posted December 16, 2009 @ 9:38 am

My deep and sincere sympathies on the loss of your critical faculties, since no one but a brainwashed fanatic could take this nonsense seriously.


ellid
Comment posted December 16, 2009 @ 9:42 am

First, Sarah Palin was running for VICE President. Unless you were one of the disgusting excuses for human beings who prayed that Senator McCain drop dead after being inaugurated, she wasn't going to any white house unless she decided to spray paint the Vice President's residence.

Second, only 20% of the public even *likes* her, let alone would vote for her. The chances of her getting the nomination are all but non-existent, especially given her tendency to quit her job halfway through.

Third, this “pro-life” governor deliberately risked her own life and the life of her special needs baby because she wanted her “fish picker” to be born in Alaska. Since when is this responsible behavior?

Go away, troll. Just go away.


Incredulous
Comment posted December 16, 2009 @ 3:09 pm

Blatant trolling for clicks


Incredulous
Comment posted December 16, 2009 @ 3:11 pm

Post Redacted to reflect relevant issues and facts

“Certification of Live Birth — Released — Proof of Hawaiian Birth.”


Incredulous
Comment posted December 16, 2009 @ 3:12 pm

Incorrect


Beckwith
Comment posted December 16, 2009 @ 5:16 pm

Anyone born on American soil is a “native born” citizen. Obama, on his website, “Fight the Smears,” claims to be a “native born” citizen:

http://www.theobamafile.com/_exhibits/FightTheS…

A “natural born” citizen requires two citizen parents (jus sanguinis), and born on Amrican soil (jus soli).

Educate yourself:

http://www.theobamafile.com/ObamaNaturalBorn.htm


smrstrauss
Comment posted December 16, 2009 @ 5:44 pm

Re: “A “natural born” citizen requires two citizen parents (jus sanguinis), and born on Amrican soil (jus soli).”

NO it doesn't. Natural Born at the time of the writing of the Constitution simply meant “born in the country” (except for the children of foreign diplomats.” The phrase Natural Born was very seldom used at the time. Natural Born was used all the time, and it always meant “born in the country.”

That is why such prominent conservative Senators who are also lawyers as Orren Hatch and Lindsay Graham say that a Natural Born Citizen is simply one who was born in the USA:

Senator Lindsey Graham (R-SC), said:

“Every child born in the United States is a natural-born United States citizen except for the children of diplomats.” (December 11, 2008 letter to constituent)

Senator Orrin G. Hatch (R-UT), said:

“What is a natural born citizen? Clearly, someone born within the United States or one of its territories is a natural born citizen.” (Senate Judiciary Committee hearing hearing on OCTOBER 5, 2004)

Further re: “A “natural born” citizen requires two citizen parents (jus sanguinis), and born on Amrican soil (jus soli).”

I've always thought that was like requiring the candidate to wear both suspenders and a belt. IF the writers of the Constitution had required the candidate to wear both suspenders and a belt, they would have said so. If the required two citizen parents, they would have said so. They said “Natural Born,” which meant at the time birth in the country.


smrstrauss
Comment posted December 16, 2009 @ 5:48 pm

Obama has shown the official birth certificate of Hawaii, which is all that Hawaii sends out these days. It no longer sends out copies of the original birth certificate (http://www.scribd.com/full/17508463?access_key=…).

Obama was never a citizen of Indonesia, as both the Indonesian government and the US State Department have stated. So Obama never received foreign aid because he was never a foreign student. No president has ever shown his college records, and there is no law that requires a president to show them.


Beckwith
Comment posted December 16, 2009 @ 6:27 pm

Here is a resolution, authored by Sen. Patrick Leahy and signed by Barack Hussein Obama, himself, that clearly say, “…if you are born of American parents, you are naturally a natural-born American citizen.”

Got that “parents” — two — more than one — plural case:

http://www.theobamafile.com/ObamaNaturalBorn.ht…

Now, go read the caselaw at this link:

http://www.theobamafile.com/ObamaNaturalBorn.htm

The US Supreme COurt has had quite a bit to say on the subject since the Constitution was ratified in the late 18th century.

And, there are three classes of US citizen:

Native born — citizenship via birth in the US
Naturalized — citizenship via process
Natural born — citizenship via birth in the US, and TWO US citizen parents

No go read the law, OBot.


gchavez
Comment posted December 16, 2009 @ 7:18 pm

Is that why B.O. executed his first act as President, literally within 5 minutes of taking office, he signed executive order #13489 that sealed his own records, so much for being transparent.


gchavez
Comment posted December 16, 2009 @ 7:24 pm

THANK YOU…accc. You are correct. Public servants including but not limitted to POTUS work for us, we the people. He owes it to us his employer to be forthcoming when asked to do a simple task like releasing his long form vault birth certificate.


gchavez
Comment posted December 16, 2009 @ 7:29 pm

Do you mean to imply that offspring of illegal aliens are eligible to become President???

They may have US Citizenship, but not as Natural Born due to the status of the Natural Parents.


gchavez
Comment posted December 16, 2009 @ 7:44 pm

ATTENTION ALL OBOTS – This is directly from Barry's “Fight the Smears” site. Please note the reference to NATIVE CITIZEN as opposed to Natural.

Friend –

Barack Obama was born in the state of Hawaii in 1961, a native citizen of the United States of America.

Smears claiming Barack Obama doesn’t have a birth certificate aren’t really about a piece of paper, though — they're about manipulating you into thinking Barack is different.

See Barack Obama's birth certificate for yourself and help push back with the truth:

http://my.barackobama.com/birthcertificate

Together we can make sure these negative and divisive attacks don't affect this election.

Thanks for being gulible.


gchavez
Comment posted December 16, 2009 @ 7:51 pm

I am a proud Birther…Seeker of truth, justice and the American way. I love this country, I love our constitution that does not make me a bigot or racist. You Obots FAIL when you play the race card.

God Bless the USA the greatest nation on God's green earth.


smrstrauss
Comment posted December 16, 2009 @ 7:52 pm

Re: “Do you mean to imply that offspring of illegal aliens are eligible to become President??? “

Yes, if they are born in the USA. Natural Born does not require two US parents. The original meaning is simply “born in the country.”

Are you saying that the American people do not have the right to vote for the child of two illegal immigrants? Why not? The illegality of the parents does not affect the fact that the child was born in America.


ellid
Comment posted December 16, 2009 @ 7:58 pm

“Gullibility” means belief in something false. There is nothing false in the material quoted.

Give it up, GC or BP or NC or Orly or whatever the hell you're calling yourself this time. The President was born in Hawaii, was legally elected, and isn't going anywhere.


ellid
Comment posted December 16, 2009 @ 8:00 pm

As has been pointed out to you numerous times, the executive order didn't have a damn thing to do with the President's birth certificate. It also reversed Bush-era secrecy requirements.

Do not cross “Go.” Do not collect $200.


ellid
Comment posted December 16, 2009 @ 8:03 pm

As has been pointed out to you numerous times, the only birth certificate that the State of Hawaii releases is the one the President released over a year ago.

*waits for Orly and her minions to bring up Vattel, Wong Kim Ark, Borderraven's creepy interest in underage girls, Orly Taitz' secret underground bunker of mascara, Kapiolani Hospital, Christmastime cheesecake pictures by a Betty Page wannabe that supposedly show Stanley Dunham, etc. etc. etc. etc.*


smrstrauss
Comment posted December 16, 2009 @ 8:03 pm

Re: “Here is a resolution, authored by Sen. Patrick Leahy and signed by Barack Hussein Obama, himself, that clearly say, “…if you are born of American parents, you are naturally a natural-born American citizen.”

No it doesn't. It was a special resolution for McCain and it said that if you are born on a US military installation (as he was) and to two US parents (as he was), then you are eligible. But since not everyone can be born on a US military installation, that doesn't affect anyone other than McCain, and in fact the resolution has McCain's name on it.

(And the resolution does not even have the force of law, having been passed by only one house.)

Re: “Natural born — citizenship via birth in the US, and TWO US citizen parents.”

You say “Now go read the law,” but you don't cite anything. The McCain resolution does not affect, since it simply added McCain's criteria for being Natural Born to the existing criteria of being Natural Born, which is Obama's criteria. And that criteria is simply being born in the country.

Re: 'The US Supreme COurt has had quite a bit to say on the subject since the Constitution was ratified in the late 18th century.”

Yes, and the Supreme Court has ruled particularly in the Wong Kim Ark case that Natural Born simply means “born in the country.” It did not rule that Wong was a Natural Born Citizen because it was not a presidential case. What it did was rule that Wong was a citizen because he was Natural Born–meaning born in the country.

This is what it says:

“It thus clearly appears that, by the law of England for the last three centuries, beginning before the settlement of this country and continuing to the present day, aliens, while residing in the dominions possessed by the Crown of England, were within the allegiance, the obedience, the faith or loyalty, the protection, the power, the jurisdiction of the English Sovereign, and therefore every child born in England of alien parents was a natural-born subject unless the child of an ambassador or other diplomatic agent of a foreign State or of an alien enemy in hostile occupation of the place where the child was born.

III. The same rule was in force in all the English Colonies upon this continent down to the time of the Declaration of Independence, and in the United States afterwards, and continued to prevail under the Constitution as originally established.”

To make it clear. It said: “Every child (unless of a foreign etc)…was a natural-born.” And it said: “the same rule was in force in the English colonies.” And it said that the same rule continued under the Constitution.

EVERY CHILD.


ellid
Comment posted December 16, 2009 @ 8:05 pm

Sorry, but somehow I don't think that the last Son of Krypton would be involved in an attempt to unseat the legally elected President of the United States. Perhaps you've inhaled too many fumes from cleaning up Krypto the Wonder Dog's poop?


ellid
Comment posted December 16, 2009 @ 8:06 pm

I'm not implying anything. I'm saying flat-out that any child born on American soil, with a few very clearly defined exceptions such the children of diplomats, is eligible to become President.

*activates Beulah the Buzzer*

You still lose.


ellid
Comment posted December 16, 2009 @ 8:08 pm

Wrong again, as has been pointed over repeatedly. There are two, and only two, categories of American citizen: natural born, who are born on American soil or to American citizens, and naturalized, who have to abjure their allegiance to a foreign power. The President was born in Honolulu and thus is a citizen jus soli, so you are wrong.


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smrstrauss
Comment posted December 16, 2009 @ 9:14 pm

He cannot produce the original birth certificate because he does not have it. Hawaii only sends out the Certification of Live Birth. That is now the official birth certificate of Hawaii, and sufficient to legally prove birth in the USA, and the facts on it were twice confirmed by the officials in Hawaii (members of a Republican governor's administration.) That is legally and factually sufficient.

Still, the reason that Obama does not show the original birth certificate is because he does not have it because Hawaii will not send it out. Why not ask the question, why doesn't Hawaii change its rules to send out the original?


smrstrauss
Comment posted December 16, 2009 @ 9:16 pm

Re; “literally within 5 minutes of taking office, he signed executive order #13489 that sealed his own records, so much for being transparent.”

It applies only to the federal presidential papers of former presidents. It does not apply to Obama at all, and it certainly does not seal state or college records, which are simply private. They were private before the order and private after the order, and the order does not affect them at all.


higgsquark
Comment posted December 16, 2009 @ 9:23 pm

All of you are completely mistaken. What the consitituion means by natural born citizen is that the birth should have been natural i.e. vaginal without the use of epidurals, forceps or other artifical means and especially not by C-section. The reason the founding fathers did not want babies born by C-section to become president is that the original name for C-section is Ceaserian Section since the roman emperor Julius Caeser was supposed to have been born in that way due to his mothers inability to deliver normally. The fathers did not want to run the risk of someone born by Ceaserean Section to become President because he would then try to become an emperor and dictator.


thesheriffsani
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 12:38 am

America truly is a great nation. For even a mixed-race child like Barack Hussein Obama can become President of our United States, and our judicial system can hold up his election against frivolous lawsuits by racist losers.

Now run along or you'll be late for the cross burning with your fellow no-neck friends.


thesheriffsani
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 12:44 am

The last time I checked, 'We The People' voted Barack Hussein Obama into office.


euphgeek
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 12:45 am

Thanks for the demonstration of someone who is irrational and unhinged. Whether or not you're bigoted or racist doesn't matter in the least. But you're being incredibly naive to think that there are no birthers are bigots or racists.


ReddGraeme
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 1:22 am

I will NEVER give-up until the original BC(mentioned by Obama in “Dreams of My Father”) and his occidental college records are released. The man has never been a natural-born citizen and attended college as a Foreign Student. He will not sue me or anybody else for libel as we are telling the truth and he doesn't want the information released. In effect we do not have a legal president now.


Ishmael
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 3:14 am

Obama is a privileged African-American, who has not shared the black American experience. By birth, blood and training, he was a Muslim, who became a member of a Marxist, Black-African church. He is a socialist whose politics are rooted in Marx and whose methods were conceived by the communist, Alinsky. He is a master at shaping his own mythology and completely unqualified to be Commander in Chief. He is not now, nor ever has been, a “natural born citizen” — he was, at birth, a British subject and citizen of Kenya — a fact published on his own website.
He has lived for almost 50 years without leaving any footprints — none! There is no Obama documentation — no records — no bona fides — no paper trail — nothing! — and he's got an army of lawyers making sure it stays that way — and the unflattering stuff, out there in the world and on the Internet — it's systematically disappearing down the rabbit hole. from theobamafile


Beckwith
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 4:30 am

You are misinformed.

John Sidney McCain III was born at the Colon Hospital, located at Avenida Melendez and 2nd Street, Manzanillo Island, City of Colon, Republic of Panama. The time of birth on the birth certificate issued by Panama Railroad Company (which owned the Colon Hospital) was 5:25 PM and the day and date of birth was Saturday, August 29, 1936.

McCain was ineligible to serve as CiC because he failed the test of jus soli.

One has to ask oneself, now, why would a bunch of Democrats “resolve” that McCain was eligible? Why would they help their opponent? Especially a dogmatic socialist like Patrick Leahy.

Re: You say “Now go read the law,” but you don't cite anything.

I cited:

The Venus, 12 U.S. 8 Cranch 253 253 (1814)

Shanks v. Dupont, 28 U.S. 3 Pet. 242 242 (1830)

Minor v. Happersett

U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark

Perkins v. Elg

Re: US v Ark

U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark's (1898) importance is that it is the first case decided by the Supreme Court that attempts to explain the meaning of “natural born citizen” under Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 of the U.S. Constitution. Natural born citizen is similar to the meaning of what a natural born subject is under Common Law in England. That is one of the reasons why the framers specifically included a grandfather clause (natural born Citizen OR a Citizen of the United States, at the time of adoption of this Constitution). The founding fathers knew that in order to be president, they had to grandfather themselves in because they were British subjects. If they didn't, they could not be President of the U.S. The holding in U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark states that Wong Kim Ark is a native born citizen. If you look at the fact of Wong Kim Ark being born in San Francisco, CA, of Chinese parents, that holding is correct.

In U. S. v Wong Kim Ark, the court thoroughly discussed “natural born citizen,” and in doing so, Justice Gray quoted directly from the holding in a prior Supreme Court case, Minor v. Happersett

“'At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country, of parents who were its citizens, became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives or natural-born citizens,…”

Got that — “born in a country, of parents who were its citizens…These were… natural-born citizens.”

Now go read the COMPLETE caselaw at the link provided.

And when your done defending the Obamamessiah's “natural born” status, we can discuss his Fulbright scholarship (for foreign students), his passport issues (what country's passport did he use to go to Pakistan), his missing transcriprs, senate records, law records, medical records.

Your guy is a fraud and an usurper. You wouldn't hire a guy with his CV to mow your lawn.


ellid
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 7:42 am

Hi, NC! Or BP, or GC, or Orly Taitz, or whatever you're calling yourself today! Lovely to see you! What a nice collection of steaming cow flop you've assembled for today! Too bad it's just as dumb as everything else you've posted.

Now, run along like a good little birther and make another ridiculous video. Thanks! Buh-bye!


ellid
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 7:43 am

What is this, your third handle? Why the change, Gunny? Were you banned under the other names, or are you being your annoying self?

As for your contentions, they're just as ridiculous, invalid, and flat-out *dumb* as they were before. And I'm still waiting for any proof that you're from a multiracial, multiethnic family instead of a bunch of bitter old Confederates living in a trailer park.


ellid
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 7:47 am

And oh – the federal paperwork used to check eligibility for work doesn't say a damn thing about “long form vault birth certificates.” It says only birth certificate. I've used the certification of birth issued by the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, legally equivalent to what the President posted on-line, to obtain employment and a passport, with no questions asked.

Truly, you need to give this up and find another hobby, preferably one that doesn't involve bigotry and treason.


ellid
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 7:51 am

Wrong again. McCain is natural born thanks to jus sanguinis, the President did not have a Fulbright scholarship, there was no travel ban to Pakistan, and the President was born in Hawaii.

Also, you're an idiot if you think I'm going to click on any of your links.


Beckwith
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 9:07 am

You wrote, in regard to McCain, ” …if you are born on a US military installation (as he was)..”

McCain wasn't. You're simply wrong. He was born in the Republic of Panama in a civilian hospital. Beign born in a foreign country, he fails the test of jus solis.

But you argue McCain meets the test of jus sanguinis (two American citizen parents), making him a “natural born” citizen. (two American citizen parents)

Then you talk out of the other side of your mouth when you say Obama's birthplace of Hawaii, meeting the test of jus solis, establishes Obama's eligibility.

But Obama doesn't meet the test of jus sanguinis.

You have one test for McCain, and another for Obama. The fact is, neither of them meet BOTH tests — they're both ineligible.

What's good for McCain should be good for Obama — but Obots will always twist any set of facts to defend the usurper.

You just hoist yourself by your own petard. By your own argument, Obama is ineligible. After all, “at birth,” — Barack Obama was a citizen of Kenya and a British subject.

Re: Obama didn't have a Fulbright Scholarship.

Nobody knows whether he did or not, since he has aggressively used the legal system to hide his records from the American People.

I never, ever said there was a travel ban to Pakistan. You lied.

I never, ever said Obama wasn't born in Hawaii. You lied again.

And then you call me an “idiot.”

Are you familiar with the psychological term “projection?”


smrstrauss
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 10:03 am

Re: “You have one test for McCain, and another for Obama. The fact is, neither of them meet BOTH tests — they're both ineligible.”

You can wear suspenders or a belt. You do not have to wear suspenders AND a belt. Obama meets the test of jus soli. That is all that is required. He received all 365 votes in the Electoral College that he had won on Nov. 4. Not one of the electors bought the claim that Obama was not Natural Born either because of the fantasy that he was born outside of the US or because of the theory that his father's nationality affected Natural Born status.


smrstrauss
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 10:07 am

Re: “McCain wasn't. You're simply wrong. He was born in the Republic of Panama in a civilian hospital.”

You are relying on the posted “McCain birth certificate” that says that he was born in Colon Hospital. But that certificate was not posted by McCain or his campaign. It is a forgery. McCain says in his biography that he was born at the family hospital on the Naval Base.

But, apparently there is no proof of this. His colleages in the Senate, in writing the bill, said that he was born on the Naval Base to two US parents. They took his word for it. Note that I did not say that he was born on the Naval Base, I said that the bill said that he was, and it did.


ellid
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 10:17 am

America accepts both jus sanguinis and jus soli. Both the President and Senator McCain are natural born.

“A little learning is a dangerous thing,
Drink deep or sip not from the Pierian spring.”


smrstrauss
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 10:19 am

Te Wong Kim Ark case repeatedly cites British common law that says that EVERY CHILD born in the realm, and EVERY CHILD born in the United States is Natural Born. That is the meaning of Natural Born, which was used at the time of the writing of the Constitution as the equivalent of Native Born. Native Born was not a popular term, very seldom used. Natural Born was used all the time, and it always meant “born in the country.”

That is why such prominent conservative Senators who are also lawyers as Orren Hatch and Lindsay Graham say that a Natural Born Citizen is simply one who was born in the USA:

Senator Lindsey Graham (R-SC), said:

“Every child born in the United States is a natural-born United States citizen except for the children of diplomats.” (December 11, 2008 letter to constituent)

Senator Orrin G. Hatch (R-UT), said:

“What is a natural born citizen? Clearly, someone born within the United States or one of its territories is a natural born citizen.” (Senate Judiciary Committee hearing hearing on OCTOBER 5, 2004)


Randwulf
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 10:53 am

Any Hawaiian hospital officials come forward with a claim as to having sponsored BHO's birth event yet? Any witnesses (living and willing to back up the claim)? So where are they going to build the shrine with the words “44th President of the US was born here.”? I'm pretty sure they already have on in Kenya somewhere.


Randwulf
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 10:54 am

Well, the Anti-Christ wouldn't likely have a paper trail. Would he?


Randwulf
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 11:08 am

Hey fuckhead,

What hospital was BHO born in? Okay, what pineapple field then? Okay, is there a single living witness to his birth anywhere in the world? I mean, other than his own step-granny (Sarah) in Kenya who said she saw him being born in Mombasa.

Exactly what does Fukino know and when did she know it? Hospital on the original BC (if there was one)? Doctor delivering (if there was one)? Anything?

Obots are fucking pathetic.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 11:34 am

You're an idiot. Look up HIPAA before you spew more dysentery.

Can anyone claim that you're not a paranoid, drooling lunatic?

“I may be the only person left who specifically remembers his birth. His parents are gone, his grandmother is gone, the obstetrician who delivered him is gone,” said Nelson, referring to Dr. Rodney T. West, who died in February at the age of 98. Here’s the story: Nelson was having dinner at the Outrigger Canoe Club on Waikiki Beach with Dr. West, the father of her college friend, Jo-Anne. Making conversation, Nelson turned to Dr. West and said: “‘So, tell me something interesting that happened this week,’” she recalls.

http://www.buffalonews.com/494/story/554495.html


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 11:35 am

You're wrong and completely full of shit.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 11:39 am

Irrelevant, assmunch.

Name the hospital each President was born in before Carter.

Fukino has legal authority. You're a coward with none. GFY.

Birther lie #122: Sarah Obama

MCRAE: Could I ask her about his actual birthplace? I would like to see his birthplace when I come to Kenya in December. Was she present when he was born in Kenya?

TRANSLATOR: Yes. She says, yes, she was, she was present when Obama was born.

MCRAE: When I come in December. I would like to come by the place, the hospital, where he was born. Could you tell me where he was born? Was he born in Mombasa?

TRANSLATOR: No, Obama was not born in Mombasa. He was born in America.

MCRAE: Whereabouts was he born? I thought he was born in Kenya.

TRANSLATOR: No, he was born in America, not in Mombasa.

MCRAE: Do you know where he was born? I thought he was born in Kenya. I was going to go by and see where he was born.

TRANSLATOR: Hawaii. Hawaii. Sir, she says he was born in Hawaii. In the state of Hawaii, where his father was also learning, there. The state of Hawaii.

The doctor was Dr. Rodney T. West. Seriously, GFY.


Randwulf
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 12:00 pm

Hey listen “Make the Shit deeper”,

First and foremost, I'd just like to say to you, eat shit and die! Then while I'm sitting here in my paranoid lunatic drool, I will continue to wonder why you fucks can't say the name of the hospital in Hawaii where this fantasy birth scenario allegedly unfolded. WHAT FUCKING HOSPITAL IS CLAIMING HIM? Simple question. Even a simple mind such as that which you possess should be able to wrap around that one. So, what is the simple answer? WHAT HOSPITAL will have the dubious honor of claiming to be HIS birth place?

I've read the article. Here is one excerpt from it:”His response: “Well, today, Stanley had a baby. Now that’s something to write home about.” “

Write home about it? From where? Mombasa. Is there a hospital named in the article somewhere? Did West claim to have done the delivery? He doesn't seem to claim to have done so, and no hospital is mentioned by name. Try again.


ellid
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 12:03 pm

Kapiolani Medical Center, as you well know from the dozens of times this question has been answered.

As for your culinary choices, they explain much about you and your little birther friends.


ellid
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 12:08 pm

My sincere condolences to whatever family is still willing to admit being related to you, since you clearly have descended into madness.


Randwulf
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 12:12 pm

Fukino is a coward and a liar. Like the governor. Like all of our Supreme Coward justices, like our Senate and House of Reps Like every federal judge who has handled any case questioning Obama's foreign birth. Why has the Kenyan government issued a gag order to Obama friends and family? What are the records that they have stated that they have on BH Obama kept closed and classified?

Oh, and your transcript of the interview above is totally misrepresented and out of context. In addition, it was not the only time Sarah has claimed to have been present when Barry was born there in Mombasa.

And again. Where does West claim to have attended this delivery? That would be a hospital documented event. Which hospital was it? Seriously, GFY? How about GTFU? (grow the fuck up)


Randwulf
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 12:17 pm

How fucking typical. What hospital did you say that was? You know. The one where you fucking delusional miscegenation worshipers claim that your poster child “prez” was born?

Answer the fucking question stupid.


Randwulf
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 12:23 pm

Guess again asshole! I've got news for you. They don't claim him! And the “White House” press secretary (Gibbs) won't admit that Obama once sent a letter to Kapiolani in which he stated that he was born there. The letter was posted on the internet but later pulled off. Kapiolani has no records of his birth there and has not ever stated that he was born there.

And really. Just go fuck yourself with all the stupid little personal insults. That shit has a maximum effective range of about 0 meters with me. I don't give a fuck what you fucking freaks think about me or anything else. I'm GLAD you don't like me. I'd be worried if you DID.

So. Next guess on what hospital BHO was born in?


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 1:08 pm

Again. You're an idiot. Enjoy federal prison.

Look up HIPAA. Wait. Scratch that. You're too fucking stupid.


smrstrauss
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 1:08 pm

Dr West was probably not the doctor in charge. All we know is that he told the teacher about the birth and she wrote about it to her father. She wrote about it because it was a birth to a woman named Stanley to her father, also named Stanley.

It seems unlikely that she made up that her father was named Stanley and that she wrote a letter to him about it.

Therefore this is confirmation of the official birth certificate of Hawaii and of the two officials (in a Republican governor's administration) who have repeatedly confirmed the facts on the document.

There is not a particle of proof that Obama was born in Kenya or even that his mother went to Kenya in 1961. The National Review has this to say about that:

“The theory that Obama was born in Kenya, that he was smuggled into the U.S., and that his parents somehow hoodwinked Hawaiian authorities into falsely certifying his birth in Oahu, is crazy stuff.”


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 1:10 pm

You deserve to be insulted. You're an idiot and a traitor.

“I don't give a fuck what you fucking freaks think about me or anything else.”

Liar. If you didn't care, you wouldn't respond. You're a freak, traitor and a coward wasting oxygen.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 1:11 pm

Like you, it's irrelevant. You're a sick fuck with no reason to live.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 1:13 pm

You have zero credibility, asswipe.

The transcript, like you, is irrelevant.

You're a paranoid, clueless piece of shit.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 1:13 pm

Like you, irrelevant.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 1:15 pm

Like you, irrelevant.


smrstrauss
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 1:21 pm

Obama's Kenyan grandmother did not say that he was born in Kenya. She said that he was born in “America, Hawaii.”

It is highly unlikely that Obama's mother traveled to Kenya when she was pregnant because you had to get a Yellow Fever shot in those days, and that is very bad during pregnancy.

Moreover, say that a child were born in Kenya. In order to get that child to America, there has to be a US travel document of some kind, such as a US visa on a foreign (in this case British) passport or the amendment of his mother's US passport while she was in Kenya to include Obama. Records of the application for either of those documents would be retained by the US State Department, which was under the Republicans until January. Such documents, if they existed, would be easy to find and would have been disclosed. There is no such document.

As the National Review put it: “The theory that Obama was born in Kenya, that he was smuggled into the U.S., and that his parents somehow hoodwinked Hawaiian authorities into falsely certifying his birth in Oahu, is crazy stuff.”


Randwulf
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 1:24 pm

You are sooooo brave writing safely from somewhere out in the blogosphere. Probably your monther's basement Or ACORN's.

But back to the question at hand wise guy. Where the fuck was this fucking presidential poser actually born? You say Hawaii. He has alternatively claimed Queens and Kapiolani. So which is it? And which one is currently claiming that he was born in that facility.

Truth. If he was actually born in either of them, they would be all over it with their documentation. But neither has any documentation to prove it.

I'm a traitor? No traitors are those who let foreign usurpers take over their government and then defend the actions of the usurper. That is a traitor. You know how traitors are traditionally dealt with don't you. It's coming asshole.


Randwulf
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 1:39 pm

You can take your stupid fucking “privacy” act and stick it up your ass. What fucking hospital was your fucking Mombasa Messiah born in? In fact, since Fukino has allegedly seen the alleged original birth records, why hasn't she said which hospital he was born in? She said he was born in Honolulu. That already constitutes a breach of the so-called “privacy” statutes. So why didn't she nail it down to one particular institution?

They just can't get it all to flow right. Can they? This is what happens with these kinds of big lies. So, stonewall and throw out bullshit about people's “rights to privacy”. Something is really rotten here. If he was really born in Hawaii, the documentation would be wide and plentiful. What a lie.

So you are saying that people who question a government or an official in the government of a “democracy” should go to federal prison? How very Stalinist of you. Liberals have certainly moved in a new direction of late.


Randwulf
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 1:43 pm

Funny, I was just thinking that if you were shot in the head and thrown into a hole and had a nice tree planted over you, at least your otherwise useless protoplasm could provide SOME kind of benefit to the planet. But probably not.

Oh yeah. I almost forgot. The name of the hospital?


Randwulf
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 1:50 pm

So, where are all the records of BHO coming and going from Indonesia to Hawaii and then his travels later on in his life with whatever kind of passport(s) he was using. Where are any of his records showing what nationality he may have claimed as a child and up into his college years? Do you really think such documents still exist? I can assure you that by now, they are totally purged or altered, with all original paper trails shredded and burned. I'd really be surprised if any paper records still exist in Hawaii for any aspect of Obama's birth or origins.


Randwulf
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 1:55 pm

Here are some links for you monkey boy.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=103306

http://www.therightsideoflife.com/2009/07/07/wn…

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=103294

http://podblanc.com/did-obamas-commie-mom-falsi…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1eUVCFlrIQ

Have fun. I hope you watch them and stroke out.

Maybe these will help you to recall the answer to the question you refuse to (or couldn't possibly) answer.

I know it isn't a fair question to ask anyway. Since he wasn't born in Hawaii at all, it just follows that nobody can give the name of a Hawaiian hospital. Kind of funny. Don't you find?


ellid
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 2:22 pm

Let me get this straight:

1. You have a filthy mouth.

2. You are advocating the repeal of medical privacy laws.

3. You wish for medical privacy laws to be repealed so you can demand a copy of a birth certificate, even though it will only add irrelevant data to what has already been released and confirmed by the State of Hawaii.

4. You are doing this because you hate the President, whom you are convinced was born in Africa despite statements by his relatives that he was born in Hawaii, and the absurdity of a pregnant college student flying into a war zone to give birth.

5. Because the absurdity of these positions has been pointed out to you and others, you have now decided that anyone who does not agree witih you is a Stalinist, even though Stalin has been dead for almost sixty years.

Based on the above, I think you need to have your medications adjusted as soon as possible.


Randwulf
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 2:23 pm

Yeah. Right. The POTUS doesn't have the power to get the Vital Records nerds in Hawaii to go back into the vault where they claim to have his original birth certificate, make a photocopy of it, sign it, stamp it and make it available to whoever the POTUS wants to make it available to. Oh and by the way. The State of Hawaii DID make photocopies of original BCs available on request BEFORE all of this Obama flap started. They CHANGED their policy to accommodate HIM alone apparently, since now, they tell everybody who asks for a copy of their original, that they can only send out the little bullshit short computer generated form. So they did change their rules. Now they won't send out an original, whereas before, they did.


ellid
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 2:23 pm

Kapiolani Medical Center.

Also, I categorically deny being the Goatsex guy.


ellid
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 2:24 pm

Kapiolani Medical Center, as has been said over and over again. Are you unable to read?


ellid
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 2:24 pm

*calls for moderator to investigate physical threats of violence*


Randwulf
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 2:25 pm

Is “irrelevant” your new word for the day germ? Sounds like the classic case of PROJECTION. What a stain.


smrstrauss
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 2:35 pm

Re: “So, where are all the records of BHO coming and going from Indonesia
to Hawaii and then his travels later on in his life with whatever kind of
passport(s) he was using.”

Are you saying that Obama should show his old passports? No president ever
has.

And why should he?

But, if you allege that he did not have a US passport when he traveled from
Hawaii to Indonesia and then back from Indonesia to Hawaii, that seems
extremely unlikely. If he had traveled to the USA from Indonesia on a passport
other than a US passport, he would have needed a US visa on that passport.
Records of an application for a US visa would still be in the files (not
the passport files, but the records of applications for visas), and that
would be at the State Department. That was under the Republicans until
January. If there were anything, they could and would have said something about
it.

Moreover, if Obama did not have a US passport when he traveled to
Indonesia, the fact that he did not have a passport would also be at the State
Department. They have the date at which he applied for his first passport. If
that date were later than the day that he traveled to Indonesia, they would
know that, and would have said something during the election campaign.

At this point, I suspect you may say something along the lines of there was
a break-in to the files at the State Department and somebody who was not
authorized got into Obama's files. However, there is no indication that this
involved, or COULD involve, a change to the records or the elimination of
a record.


Randwulf
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 2:35 pm

You forgot 6.
6. I can't wait for this shit to cause a complete collapse of the entire system so that we can have a good ethnic cleansing and get all this puss cleaned out of the great, gaping, national wound that has been inflicted upon us by a bunch of creatures that need killing.

Starting with all the militant, left-wing, (Stalinist) commie turds out there.

I don't need medications. I see what has happened and I know how to fix it.


Randwulf
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 2:37 pm

Link to Kapiolani acknowledgment of this?

Goatsex? Well. Nothing surprises or shocks me these days.


Randwulf
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 2:39 pm

Oh no! NOT THE MODERATOR!


Randwulf
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 2:44 pm

The files were hacked and it was all over the news. The guy in charge of security of passport records at the time now works for Obama as a cabinet adviser on counter-terrorism. Google it.

All of the things described above were purged or altered. That was the mission of the hackers. Seems like the guy's name was John O' something. He had worked at some point for the CIA.


chrisjay
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 2:55 pm

Wow, big talking Birfer! You wouldn't risk mussing the ass-crease in your sofa to do anything besides peck at your keyboard amidst your impotent rage.
..you and your ilk couldn't ethnic-cleanse your own bathroom! Go back to your video game now and stop bothering the grown ups.


chrisjay
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 2:57 pm

You're right, blandwulf: who cares about your pathetic whining?
what a tool


chrisjay
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 2:57 pm

You're right, blandwulf: who cares about your pathetic whining?
what a tool


smrstrauss
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 2:59 pm

Re: “Yeah. Right. The POTUS doesn't have the power to get the Vital
Records nerds in Hawaii to go back into the vault where they claim to have his
original birth certificate, make a photocopy of it, sign it, stamp it and
make it available to whoever the POTUS wants to make it available to. “

Are you saying that the President of the United States should ask Hawaii to
do something special for him that it does not do for everyone else? He
should be treated like all citizens, and he should NOT ask for special favors,
and he hasn't. Besides, it is unnecessary. The OFFICIAL birth certificate
is sufficient to prove birth in the USA legally, and the facts on it were
confirmed twice by the officials in Hawaii (members of a Republican
governor's administration)

Re: “h and by the way. The State of Hawaii DID make photocopies of
original BCs available on request BEFORE all of this Obama flap started. They
CHANGED their policy to accommodate HIM alone apparently…”

TOTAL BALONEY Remember this is a Republican governor's administration.


smrstrauss
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 3:00 pm

Madness. There never was any news that the files were altered or documents
removed.


chrisjay
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 3:09 pm

Maybe it was “all over” Orly's website and possibly Drudge?


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 3:11 pm

This is the REAL Oily Titz posting here. She's upset with Carter finally putting her last case in his court to rest by clarifying that it was dismissed with prejudice. So, Oily is here to rant awhile.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 3:13 pm

On behalf of all Americans who voted and like Obama, I personally want to thank you for your rage. By keeping your paranoia alive, you are helping us all stay in power. Now, I need to go cash my welfare check and pick up a few cases of beer and some steak for tonight's party.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 3:16 pm

Hey comrad. Be a good Nazi and send your tax dollars in so I can get more money for welfare.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 3:19 pm

Hey, mofo. You try'n to get rid of all of us out here? How we gonna get our welfare checks without you work'n hard for us? We needs our welfare so we can continue to buy our beer and eat our steak dinners every night.


Randwulf
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 3:21 pm

I hate that LOL thing. Only fags and air-headed women do it. What a bunch of pussies. Hospital name for your Obama birth fantasies? I thought not.


Randwulf
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 3:31 pm

John O. Brennan is the Assistant to the President for Homeland Security and Counterterrorism under United States President Barack Obama.

According to Ken Timmerman in an article published today by Newsmax, President-elect Barack Obama's top intelligence adviser, John Brennan, heads an organization involved in an early 2008 security breach at the State Department's passport office. From the piece:

“During a State Department briefing on March 21, 2008, McCormack confirmed that the contractor had accessed the passport files of presidential candidates Barack Obama, Hillary Rodham Clinton, and John McCain, and that the inspector general had launched an investigation.

Sources who tracked the investigation tell Newsmax that the main target of the breach was the Obama passport file, and that the contractor accessed the file in order to “cauterize” the records of potentially embarrassing information.

“They looked at the McCain and Clinton files as well to create confusion,” one knowledgeable source told Newsmax. “But this was basically an attempt to cauterize the Obama file.”

At the time of the breach, Brennan was working as an unpaid adviser to the Obama campaign.

“This individual's actions were taken without the knowledge or direction of anyone at The Analysis Corp. and are wholly inconsistent with our professional and ethical standards,” Brennan’s company said in a statement sent to reporters after the passport breach was made public.

The passport files include “personally identifiable information such as the applicant’s name, gender, social security number, date and place of birth, and passport number,” according to the inspector general report.

The files may contain additional information including “original copies of the associated documents,” the report added. Such documents include birth certificates, naturalization certificates, or oaths of allegiance for U.S.-born persons who adopted the citizenship of a foreign country as minors.”

So what do you think happened to all information showing that Obama was not born in Hawaii?


Randwulf
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 3:37 pm

Go the top of the thread and look for this. “John O. Brennan is the Assistant to the President for Homeland Security and Counterterrorism under United States President Barack Obama.”

He is the guy who hacked the records or orchestrated it. He was working for the Obama campaign at the time. Look where he is now. Kinda makes you wonder what he found and what he knows. Madness indeed. Oh, and it isn't likely that they would confess that anything was altered or removed. It it? I think one guy ended up dead during the investigation. One shot to the back of the head while sitting in his car.


Randwulf
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 3:40 pm

Yes, don't forget that welfare check. That is what it is ALL ABOUT.


smrstrauss
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 3:41 pm

There is absolutely no evidence that the files were altered or that
anything was removed.

The State Department was under the Republicans at the time. They would have
said if there was any change to the files.


Randwulf
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 3:54 pm

It will all be settled.


chrisjay
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 3:55 pm

Irony challenged, in addition to all of your other obvious shortcomings


chrisjay
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 3:57 pm

You obviously have no idea how hilarious you are, poser


chrisjay
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 4:02 pm

LOL
I'm more than happy to do whatever you hate, you fat little fraud. All of your macho bluster fails to obscure the real blandwuld: just a chubby little video-game playing wannabe who'd be a misogynist if he knew any women besides his doting mother…


chrisjay
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 4:20 pm

Newsmax? You call that a news source?
What a joke!


chrisjay
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 4:23 pm

Yeah, but we all know what a hysterical, lefty publication Nat'l Review is, right gruntwulf?


Randwulf
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 5:20 pm

Do you call yourself a news source? Do you call yourself even a remotely accurate judge of a news source? You are just a stain. Why don't you just call yourself “STAIN” and you will be right about something for once. Who fucking cares what you think? Did you ever find a “news source” that will tell us all what hospital BH Obama was born in out there in Hawaii? Can't do it. Can ya? Are you saying Brennan isn't what the article claims? Are you saying he didn't ever have access to passport security and passport files in his former job? What do you think is inaccurate about the article. Either contribute something intelligent or go back to your porn or whatever else you do. You're the joke.


Randwulf
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 5:26 pm

It is just amazing how far off you are with your “perception”. You couldn't be more wrong. What about the hospital that Obama was born in in Hawaii? Which one was it?

Any witnesses to his alleged Hawaiian birth? I mean, while you are LOLing about, try answering a question on topic.


Randwulf
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 5:43 pm

Yeah, that's right. I've got to go the gym and try to get in a workout now (in spite of them playing that “music” they play which sounds like screeching sub-Saharan apes fucking on a base drum). But……………..

Got to stay in shape for the slaughter you know. Can't lolly-gag all day on pointless disgust threads. Just wanted to know what hospital you guys are currently claiming as Obama's birthplace. Ha. What a joke that is.


Randwulf
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 5:45 pm

Poser? Please. More projection on you part I think.


chrisjay
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 5:54 pm

What you call yourself: Randwulf. Let's see: Rand? we all know the turgid juvenalia cranked out by the hapless Ayn Rand.Wulf? Is that for how you consume your endless junkfood without ever looking up from World of Warcraft? “Mom!! Mom!!! Bring me more Hotpockets!!! —–NOW!!!


chrisjay
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 5:58 pm

That riposte was truly effeminate!!


chrisjay
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 5:59 pm

I'm confident that I hit the nail on the head, tubs.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 6:05 pm

Randwulf or Randy C from Colorado Springs is angry because his welfare check has been cut and he hasn't been able to get as much beer as he's used to drinking. So, he's an angry person. Understandable. Just strange he complains about others being on welfare when he himself depends on it.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 6:07 pm

You're damned right. And it has obviously made you very angry that your welfare check isn't as much as it used to be.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 6:09 pm

It will be settled as soon as you're back on your meds.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 6:11 pm

Perhaps it can be said the same for you. You're brave as long as you're hidden in your basement typing away furiously on your little keyboard while you wear your tin foil hat.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 6:12 pm

What? You like to have sex with goats? Man, you're pretty sick!


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 6:33 pm

LOL!


Anonymous
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 12:38 am

ellid – Did you say birth certificate? B.O. posted a “Certification” not the same as “Certificate”


Anonymous
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 12:50 am

‘…going to the gym now…’ . Sure you are, tubby.
BTW it’s spelled ‘bass’ drum, you ignorant cracker.


gchavez
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 7:52 pm

Isn't it interesting how B.O. has left his faithful Obots twisting in the wind, having to fend for themselves trying to defend the indefensible fact that he lacks proper citizenship. When all he needs to do is be transparent.

Is he attempting to hide something??


JohnC
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 8:00 pm

Zzzzzz… Your contentions have already been addressed at length and refuted.


higgsquark
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 8:47 pm

evidently you cannot read. there IS a hospital mentioned there by name and its the “Kapi’olani Medical Center for Women & Children in Honolulu.”. Last sentence of first paragraph.


bearclaw
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 8:49 pm

What you “contributed” to the conversation is a cut-and-paste of a Newsmax story that must be 11 months or more old, because it refers to President Obama as “President-elect.” Nice to know that you are keeping us on top of breaking news.

Next: Generalisimo Francisco Franco is still dead.

With your obviously impressive investigative skills, what have you learned in the last 11 months?


smrstrauss
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 9:01 pm

Re: “other than his own step-granny (Sarah) in Kenya who said she saw him being born in Mombasa.”

She did NOT say that he was born in Mombasa. She did not say that he was born in Kenya. She said that he was born in “America, Hawaii.” Listen to the complete tape, until after the question “Whereabouts was he born?” http://www.obamacrimes.info/Telephone_Interview…


bearclaw
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 9:10 pm

I know there is a new statue of Obama as a child, in Indonesia.

So what?

Go to New Ross, County Wexford, in Ireland, and I think you will see more than a few monuments to John F. Kennedy; in fact, there is an arboretum named for him. And when JFK visited there in 1963, there was a banner that read “Welcome Home, Mr. President.”

So was JFK born in Ireland?

And when Ronald Reagan visited Ballyporeen, Ireland, in 1984, there was a banner saying: “Welcome Home to Ballyporeen, Mr. President.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:President_Rea…

So was Ronald Reagan born in Ireland?

But from you moniker, it is pretty clear that you think only Aryans can be proud of their origins. Go sieg heil yourself, you profane little toad.


bearclaw
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 9:20 pm

Randwulf stopped posting about 3 months ago, and just resumed. The problem here is that Randwulf, having been fed and housed by the prison system for the last couple of months, is having trouble adjusting to life on the “outside.” And he's missing the, um, “attention” he got from other prisoners.


Anonymous
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 2:21 am

The Certification of Live Birth is a birth certificate. It is the official birth certificate of Hawaii, and it is the only birth certificate that Hawaii currently issues. It no longer sends out copies of the original (http://www.starbulletin.com/columnists/kokualine/20090606_kokua_line.html).

The Certification of Live Birth is accepted as proof of birth in Hawaii by the US State Department and the branches of the US military.

The Wall Street Journal said: “Obama has already provided a legal birth certificate demonstrating that he was born in Hawaii. No one has produced any serious evidence to the contrary. Absent such evidence, it is unreasonable to deny that Obama has met the burden of proof. We know that he was born in Honolulu as surely as we know that Bill Clinton was born in Hope, Ark., or George W. Bush in New Haven, Conn.”


bearclaw
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 9:24 pm

Randydog stopped posting about three months ago, and just resumed today. I think the profane little toad just go out of prison.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 9:28 pm

You're full of shit and a complete, paranoid idiot.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 9:29 pm

You're a paranoid asshole. Go fuck yourself.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 9:30 pm

No. You're an idiot.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 9:32 pm

Like you, irrelevant. You're an OCD asshole who belongs in federal prison.


Randwulf
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 10:05 pm

Oh reheheheheally? Where's the real birth certificate? Can you just answer that simple question Make the Pile Higher?


Randwulf
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 10:08 pm

Hey the truth 11 months ago or 1100 years ago is still the truth. Besides, you fucks wouldn't know the truth if it bit you in the ass. The truth is that nobody has ever seen a REAL birth certificate for this lying fuck or even a good photocopy of a REAL one. Stick that in your truth pipe and smoke it.


Randwulf
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 10:25 pm

Have no idea what you are babbling about. It must be some little twisted fantasy of your very own. Sounds like you do a lot of computer play station stuff.


Randwulf
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 10:30 pm

Very good!! But I'm not really eligible for welfare programs because well, I'm WHITE, MALE and work for a living as a general contractor (well, back before the minority, welfare, affirmative action mortgage lending mess collapsed the entire fucking economy). Never have taken a dime from the Feds since leaving the military and never would. I don't pay into it any more either. Have we met?


Randwulf
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 10:45 pm

Liberals are a sick and pathetic bunch of self-loathing mongrel losers. Especially the ones that love Obama. Whatever the truth about HIM, the fact is that the US is done. When this many in the population think this way, it is OVER. The entire country is totally dysfunctional at this point. I'll be leaving for some WHITE country at the first opportunity. Ya'll have fun with your Walmart nightmare now! Ya hear?

In the meantime, here, enjoy some amusing and informative reading and video stuff.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=103306

http://www.therightsideoflife.com/2009/07/07/wn

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=103294

http://podblanc.com/did-obamas-commie-mom-falsi

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1eUVCFlrIQ


Randwulf
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 10:47 pm

Oh, I guess you told him. OOOOOH, you're baaaaaaad.


Randwulf
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 10:48 pm

Zzzzzzzzz…….. What hospital was that that claimed he was born in their facility out there in paradise?…………..crickets…………more crickets…………..


Randwulf
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 10:57 pm

I'll just bet that Ronald Reagan had a valid birth certificate showing that he was born in the USA. I'll bet there is a marker commemorating his birth place. Where is Obama's??

Yeah, Sieg fucking Heil! And nothing is more profane than a lie or as repugnant as a liar or those who support liars. Hey, profane Nazis are not the problem here. And neither are presidents of Irish extraction. We are talking about a guy who absolutely refuses to show anything about himself or his past. He hides everything. Why????


chrisjay
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 11:26 pm

Let me explain to you how this all works, hayseed: You are a Birfer, which means that you are basically a carny freak whose job is to entertain. You are colorful enough in a trailerpark sort of way, but you'll need to work on your act before it shows any staying power. A little pointer: when you act like you want to be taken seriously is when you are at your most entertaining.
Try not to bore, ok?


ellid
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 11:29 pm

Kapiolani Medical Center.


katahdin
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 11:29 pm

Racist much?


ellid
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 11:32 pm

What, you mean there's no longer any money in building cross-shaped incendiary devices?


chrisjay
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 11:32 pm

I'll just bet you do a lot of betting with yourself—–I'll bet 50 bucks you're a bed wetter


ellid
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 11:34 pm

Can't be Orly. As much as it pains me to say it, Randwulf's English is fluent enough that he is obviously a native English speaker.


katahdin
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 11:35 pm

Since only American citizens have US passports, doesn't this story just prove that Barack Obama, our brilliant and handsome president, is an American citizen? Oops, there goes that “traveled to Pakistan on an Indonesian passport” lie.
Birthers never can keep anything straight.


ellid
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 11:35 pm

I wonder if he's learned that dropping the soap is no longer necessary?


chrisjay
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 11:36 pm

I'm sure little Rambo here lives far away from all those scary minorities whom he obsesses about night & day. He's just a pasty little wanker who talks big behind the safety & anonymity of his ridiculous alias


ellid
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 11:37 pm

It is hard to take any “patriot” seriously who can't spell “pus.”


katahdin
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 11:38 pm

Already shown over a year ago. But somehow birthers need extra ID from the black man, who by the way, is more intelligent and handsomer than you.


Anonymous
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 4:39 am

Kapiolani Medical Center.


Anonymous
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 4:41 am

Y’know, I kinda feel sorry for anyone who isn’t aware that there’s this handy little device called an iPod that will allow him to listen to his own music when he goes to the gym.


katahdin
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 11:42 pm

Well you know all the white women just love Barack.


Anonymous
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 4:49 am

Yeah, I’m sure RandRodent could purchase the Theme from Deliverance at itunes: too bad he can’t buy a new, improved gene-pool there…


chrisjay
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 12:07 am

Don't let the door hit your fat ass on the way out, you whiney little wanker—-good riddance!!


Anonymous
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 5:13 am

Well you know all the white women prefer the black penis. It’s just bigger.


gchavez
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 1:34 am

Why can't Barry get his story straight?? He has claimed both of these hospitals. However, neither one will claim him.

Kapiolani Medical Center, 1319 Punahou Street, Honolulu, Hawaii 96826, Phone: (808) 983-6000

Queens Hospital, 1301 Punchbowl Street, Honolulu, HI 96813-2499, Phone (808) 538-9011


gchavez
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 1:37 am

Which hospital will recieve the “National Commemorative Plaque” marking the exact birthplace???…..more crickets………LOL


gchavez
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 1:48 am

If it was a US Passport, then why is Barry concealing that from the public?? Could it be it was issued by a foreign country??


gchavez
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 1:51 am

You mean Barry Soetoro, aka Obama…right?


gchavez
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 2:02 am

Randwulf – Thanks for shining light onto this fraud of B.O. Many can see he is a master of deception, trickster, charlaton, subterfuge and a not eligible to be POTUS.


bearclaw
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 2:58 am

Anything we can do to speed you on your way to your White Power paradise?

“White countries” are probably going to be in Europe. You might want to investigate first. The European countries tend to be socialist, they probably aren't as “white” as you think, and many of them will kick your sorry ass out of the country the minute you begin spouting your Stormfront junior nazi crap. They experienced the evil of white supremacists up close, and they want nothing to do with you.

They also will expect you to have job skills. Drinking and scratching your balls don't count as job skills.

But I digress. If you want to go, by all means, please go. Your rapid departure will be nothing but good for the United States.


Guest
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 8:16 am

If you decide to head off to a European White Power Paradise, keep in mind that what you have just written could land you in prison in Germany, Austria, Belgium, Sweden, France and Britain, to name some of the European countries that have made it a crime to engage in speech that incites hatred based on race, ethnicity, religion, etc.


ellid
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 7:43 am

Hospitals don't “claim” patients. They cannot legally release medical information.


ellid
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 7:46 am

Actually, there's a Randwulf Technologies in Colorado. I can't make heads or tails of their web site, but if the owner is indeed the racist loudmouth who's been threatening people here, I'm not surprised.

http://www.randwulftech.com/


ellid
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 7:47 am

You're a fine one to talk about technology, Randy.

http://www.randwulftech.com/


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 9:11 am

Many can see? I'd say a fraction of a minority. But Randy can shine the light all he wants for you birthtards and post links to propoganda websites – on of which is simply captializing on this 'movement' and taking the dollars you send in for the bumperstickers and t-shirts that make you all look like bigger idiots than you already are. No one is going to change the mind of the majority of Americans as to who is POTUS.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 9:13 am

Fend for ourselves? Sh*t. We're just here for the fun and it is so much fun to mess with a birthtard.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 9:14 am

Did you get your welfare check yet Randy?


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 9:17 am

I don't believe 'Barry' as you so fondly like to call him has claimed that he was ever born at Queens Hospital. However, you birthtards need to remain in the dark on everything and keep up the good work on making things up. And ellid is correct in her statement below. Hospitals do not release medical information or patient information unless you have a legal right to it.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 9:19 am

This remark is constructed specifically for Randy. LOL!!!


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 9:21 am

Randall has been on this story like a dog for over a year. Do you think he's going to give it up now?


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 9:25 am

I guarantee I know more about you than you will ever know about me. Perhaps we could have met in the military.

But I digress. You're a general contractor in or around the Colorado Springs area. Things must be a little bit slow right now. But you lie when you write you have never taken a dime from the Feds. More to come.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 9:29 am

You close ellid but not quite there. Randy lives in Colorado Springs. I'm waiting for more information and as soon as I get it, I'll expose him as I did borderraven. Borderraven hasn't been around for awhile but I see him posting in other blogs. Just remember that he wasn't all he said he boasted to be.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 2:35 pm

He still does it when he’s in the shower. It’s just that he has a dildo that is suction cupped to the wall and he backs into it.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 2:37 pm

I think it was the anger that initially led me to believe it was Orly. But there’s no “Let me finish! Let me finish! You need to have some decency and integrity!”. So you’re right. It’s just a guy from the Aryan Brotherhood.


ellid
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 10:06 am

I don't think you'll like it very much in Iceland, which is about the only “pure white country” left. They're all socialists, you see, and they don't much like foreign settlers with no brains, education, or manners arriving to contaminate their gene pool.


ellid
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 10:08 am

Gerry's a piece of work, all right. Dumb as a stump, too.


Randwulf
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 12:55 pm

I AM Icelandic. Well, my mother is. My father is Norwegian-American. They met when he was in the USAF. I was born here. But now, I'm going home. Back to my people. Did you think Randwulf is an Irish name? And you are right about something for once. Iceland (and the Faroe Islands) are just about the last White countries left. Most of the rest of the Scandinavian and northwestern European countries have succumbed to the pressures of the one world scheme and allowed foreigners to invade their gene pools and destroy their cultures in the names of “equality” and “inclusiveness”. Self destructiveness is usually a sign of insanity and so it goes with the former (late great?) USA. Oh, and I don't mind a little socialism on a small scale in a small, tightly knit, homogeneous population with a shared language, history, culture and values. The scariest thing in Iceland is the number of young people foolishly attempting to act like Americans. Which is to say, to see them becoming WIGGERS. Although, since the world-wide financial collapse, we are seeing less than that. So, yes, I'll go back and “contaminate” Iceland and you continue your headlong slide into the skraeling-hood of the third world shithole that America is becoming. I will not be a part of it. Oh, and thanks for the education. It has been most interesting. Now I don't have to try to imagine the fall of Rome. I have seen it first hand.


Randwulf
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 1:04 pm

“Drinking and scratching your balls don't count as job skills.”

Were you recently denied a VISA for this reason?

My people were the Vikings. And really, they still are. Some Europeans get their panties all in a twist at the mention of “NAZIS” but my people are not among them. So guess again asshole. You are incorrect.

Enjoy your good old USA as a third world country! A pity it had to end this way. But, stupidity SHOULD be painful. If you haven't had enough of it yet, well then have some more. Obama is just the one to help you along in that direction I think. Got Ameros?

How's that whole Hopey-Changy thing workin out for ya there? Rich yet!


Randwulf
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 1:09 pm

Don't slip in your own shit and fall into your polluted gene pool you fucking idiot. On second thought, do. By all means. DO! Good riddance is right!! Have a great LCD Walmart life.


Randwulf
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 1:11 pm

I told you. I'm White. I don't qualify. I'm expected to work for a living.


ellid
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 1:15 pm

As the troll returns to the land of the trolls…..


Randwulf
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 1:16 pm

It's pointless. They aren't listening. It's like talking to Born-Again-Christians about Jesus. They already KNOW all that they need to know. Nothing you say will have any affect whatsoever.

It is like trying to teach a pig to dance. The mud and shit is unpleasant. It wastes your time. It annoys the pig.

The fact that no hospital has ever issued ANY kind of statement to the effect that BHO was born there is in fact a fact. But it means nothing to an OBOT. You can argue with them for the sport of it but you can't reason with them.

Sad but true.


ellid
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 1:18 pm

I'll bet he practices what he thinks is Norse paganism. I'll also bet that he has a horned helmet, several stained tunics from Dagorlad Dinty-Moore-Beef-Stew-and-bread “feasts,” and some moldering boffer swords in the garage of his luxurious split-level ranch.


ellid
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 1:20 pm

*holds up mirror to Randwulf's pock-marked face”

Cast out the beam in your eye before criticizing the mote in anyone else's.

Or, since you probably think Christianity is stupid and un-Norse, may you suffer the fate of Loki at the end of all things.


ellid
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 1:22 pm

We have this little thing called “the right to privacy” here in the United States. It means that idiots can't get their hands on your travel documents or personal information to spin their silly little conspiracy theories.


Randwulf
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 1:24 pm

They do it all the time. Every time there is a shooting, the survivors go to a hospital and the progress of these patients is routinely reported to media sources who broadcast the information to the world. (Fort Hood?) We just want to know where a guy was born. We aren't asking for any sensitive data. Just the kind of stuff that gets reported in most birth announcements. So which hospital sent the birth information to the Honolulu newspapers to generate the Obama birth announcement or was it the Vital Statistics office? (After ma or grandma went and filed a report of a “home birth”.) How convenient if that was the case.


Randwulf
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 1:27 pm

You don't have very good retention when you read things do you? Or do you really read things at all? He has claimed both hospitals as his place of birth at different times and then recanted or changed again or stonewalled and said nothing further. Get up to speed!

Facts. Not insults.


Randwulf
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 1:31 pm

That should be “more handsome”. Maybe some people don't feel that he “belongs” in the neighborhood. Some might even say he is an undocumented worker.


chrisjay
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 1:32 pm

I'd say 'enjoy Iceland's progressive worldview (including FULLY socialized medicine)', but they wouldn't have a paranoid freak like you. I know Icelanders and they are NOTHING like you—they'll find you as repulsive as I find you entertaining
LOL


chrisjay
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 1:43 pm

So: you're so afraid of the real world that you need to crawl back up & into mommy's womb? That is what returning to Iceland represents to you—you've confirmed all of my speculating about what a pants-pissing momma's boy you are!
I know Icelanders—they wouldn't have a paranoid freak like you, they have a progressive worldview and the most pure form of socialized healthcare on the planet; they'd be as repulsed by you as I am entertained LOL


Randwulf
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 1:47 pm

You'd better watch out! Trolls are now protected under international “Hate Laws”. I'll have to report you to the NAATP. You probably burn anti-Troll “incendiary devises” in front of homes owned by Trolls in you neighborhood. Don't ya?

Anti-Trollism rears its ugly head again. Terrifying.


Randwulf
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 1:58 pm

You are wrong as usual. I just prefer not to live in the monkey house any more. And Icelanders tend to be much healthier than what you are accustomed to seeing when you go to Walmart to buy your books. Health care to them starts with good genes and healthy lifestyle choices. All pretty foreign stuff to most Americans. As I said. Icelanders are tribal and close-knit as modern populations go. Their cooperative brand of socialism works for them because the system isn't full of free-loaders milking it. They have a sense of common good and fairness. But then, they are pure White and Nordic. So you stay here in the monkey house. I'll go back to my people. Yes, Iceland is my mother. Why should I be ashamed of that. What land or tribe of people is your mother? Or to stay on topic I would ask the same question of your friend Obama.


ellid
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 2:03 pm

I think you have more to worry about from the good people at Travelocity.

Don't let the geyser scald your ass on the way out.


Randwulf
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 2:04 pm

Oh shut-up and tell me what hospital Obama is currently claiming to have been born in. And why is it that he can't come up with a long form birth certificate?

JEEEEEEZzzzzzussssss. It is sooooo simple! No big deal. Some documentation please!!!! Alright?

Can you understand that?


chrisjay
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 2:12 pm

make sure you give us your forwarding address so we can all send you Kwanzaa cards
LOL


chrisjay
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 2:15 pm

There has been NO pure 'tribe' since the Neanderthals died off; your obsession with the misnomer of racial purity is just a symptom of your larger-than-life pathology


Randwulf
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 2:17 pm

No more than La Raza Unida, Nation of Islam, Black Panthers, NAACP, ADL (Anti-Defamation League of the B'Nai B'rith), or JDL (Jewish Defense League). Why don't you google all of those and then tell me how they are not some of the most “racist” organizations on the planet. Do you belong to any of them? It is funny how one man's patriot is another man's bigot.


bearclaw
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 2:27 pm

Enjoy Iceland. But keep in mind they don't have the same First Amendment rights of free speech we have in the United States:

“Section 233 of the Icelandic Penal Code states “Anyone who in a ridiculing, slanderous, insulting, threatening or any other manner publicly assaults a person or a group of people on the basis of their nationality, skin colour, race, religion or sexual orientation, shall be fined or jailed for up to 2 years.” (The word “assault” in this context does not refer to physical violence, only to expressions of hatred.)”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_crime#Iceland

In other words, what you have written on this blog is enough to put you behind bars for two years in Iceland. Also, don't try taking any handguns with you. They are banned.

We look forward to the upward surge in our nation's average IQ as you exit the U.S.


chrisjay
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 2:32 pm

How rich!
lil' Randy's biggest fan at this site is named Chavez——one of the 'brown' people that Randrodent has been insulting all along!
LOL!!!


bearclaw
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 2:35 pm

If you think Iceland welcomes you and your Nazi pretensions, you might want to familiarize yourself with the country's laws:

“Section 233 of the Icelandic Penal Code states “Anyone who in a ridiculing, slanderous, insulting, threatening or any other manner publicly assaults a person or a group of people on the basis of their nationality, skin colour, race, religion or sexual orientation, shall be fined or jailed for up to 2 years.” (The word “assault” in this context does not refer to physical violence, only to expressions of hatred.)”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_crime#Iceland

Statements that are protected by the First Amendment in the United States can land you in prison in Iceland.

Bye!


Randwulf
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 2:41 pm

They didn't just die off. Unlike the Cro-Magnons who replaced them at the top of the food chain, they sat on their lazy black asses and waited for the wild game to just come to them instead of devising new ways to track and follow game and more efficient weapons with which to dispatch them. The Cro-Magnons (so-called) may have helped them along a bit by putting them out of their misery so as not to have them muddying the water in and around valuable food source areas (early attempts at slum formation). Cro-Magnons became for the most part the populations that would eventually inhabit most of Europe and large parts of Asia.

That is, except for a few cases where some sick or deranged Cro-magnons actually had sex with Neanderthals which lead to the development of the various other races of modern “Humans”.

Try taking a physical anthropology course sometime.

And remember, a population of people with homozygous recessive traits like light skin, blue eyes or blond hair NEVER can arise out of a population with homozygous dominant traits like dark skin, black hair and brown eyes.

Well, there goes the much beloved and inherently flawed, liberal “theory” that all of us came up from Africa or from the Negro race. But it does explain where people like BHO come from.

You must be a psychology wannabe. LOL LOL LOL!!


Randwulf
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 3:04 pm

I guess I'll just have to avoid those areas that are full of non-Nordics then, huh. Oh, that's right! They don't have any areas like that. I'm sure there are a few half-Black kids there because of the US Naval installation and stupidly curious and gullible young Icelandic girls but what you gonna do? Young people make mistakes. Anyway, Iceland, being a democracy, could change it's laws at any time if it needs to do so. If immigrants become a problem they will take action accordingly.

And speaking of IQ, if you had any, you would realize that the entire section above reads almost exactly like laws that we already have on the books in the US. They are called “Hate Crimes”.

Don't worry, when I leave, I will sell my handguns to some of the “boys in da hood”. You guys don't seem to mind those gangsta monkoids running around with guns. Do ya? Well, anyway, it will be YOUR problem then. NOT MINE!
Dumbass.


bearclaw
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 3:07 pm

If you have facts, then post a link to President Obama claiming he was born at Queen's Hospital. Not his sister, not a blogger, not a news story or WND or Stormfront or a screen grab of wikipedia. Prove President Obama said it.


chrisjay
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 3:25 pm

Evidently you're satisfied with the junk-anthropology you've picked up on white supremicist websites, but I went to college for my courses.
As far as psychology goes, you're no challenge at all—your pathologies are right up front for all to see
LOL


Anonymous
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 8:28 pm

And we know it’s not Sarah Palin. Caribou Barbie has a much looser grip on the English language.


Anonymous
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 8:28 pm

And we know it’s not Sarah Palin. Caribou Barbie has a much looser grip on the English language.


Anonymous
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 8:28 pm

And we know it’s not Sarah Palin. Caribou Barbie has a much looser grip on the English language.


ellid
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 3:29 pm

Your knowledge of archaeology is every bit as deep and accurate as your knowledge of anthropology.


ellid
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 3:30 pm

Here:

http://www.icelandair.com/


ellid
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 3:32 pm

Two of the organizations you cite have not existed in a meaningful way for quite some time. Perhaps you should check your facts before posting?


ellid
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 3:33 pm

To repeat myself for the sixth or seventh time:

Kapiolani Medical Center.


bearclaw
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 3:35 pm

I'm a lawyer, so let me give you some free legal education. “Hate crime” laws in the U.S. require an underlying criminal offense other than speech. For example, if you shoot someone, and the prosecutor can prove you were motivated by racial hatred, your actions fall within the law. But simply expressing hatred for another race, even in public, is not a crime. It is a crime in Iceland. Good luck with that.

By the way, I just emailed the Icelandic Embassy to the United States, told them about your desire for “ethnic cleansing” and your hatred of racial minorities, and gave them a link to all of your disqus blog posts.

Want to check if I'm bluffing?

icemb.wash@utn.stjr.is


Anonymous
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 8:40 pm

You’re leaving out the part where hospitals and the police leave out the medical condition and names of shooting and accident victims pending notification of the next of kin. You also seem unaware that there is a difference between releasing an update on someone’s medical condition and the sort of detailed medical records you are demanding.


Anonymous
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 8:40 pm

You’re leaving out the part where hospitals and the police leave out the medical condition and names of shooting and accident victims pending notification of the next of kin. You also seem unaware that there is a difference between releasing an update on someone’s medical condition and the sort of detailed medical records you are demanding.


Anonymous
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 8:40 pm

You’re leaving out the part where hospitals and the police leave out the medical condition and names of shooting and accident victims pending notification of the next of kin. You also seem unaware that there is a difference between releasing an update on someone’s medical condition and the sort of detailed medical records you are demanding.


Randwulf
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 4:17 pm

Don't worry. My grandmother is still alive and active and has worked in the national political arena of Iceland for most of her life. She literally knows everybody who is anybody in the government.

Additionally, you should know that, Icelanders (unlike Americans) don't really care much about what people do outside of their legal jurisdiction. They mind their own business. One of the reasons why they have no army.

If you are going to be dealt with by the law enforcement of Iceland, you need to have committed an offense in Iceland. So unless Iceland currently has some statute which covers thought and speech crimes, past, present and future, and in any part of the known universe, I have committed no offense that they will concern themselves with.

But, I suppose they will be “on the look out” for some guy named Randwulf who is pissed off at “minorities”.

Good work counselor! Maybe I'll e-mail them myself. Thanks for the address.


Randwulf
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 4:19 pm

Hey, $325 one way from Boston. Great! I'll save that site.

Thanks!


Randwulf
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 4:30 pm

How so Doc? I never mentioned archaeology. Oh, you probably mean genetics. Different field altogether. Hope it didn't confuse you too much. Point out a specific point and tell me why you disagree. If you can.


Randwulf
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 4:34 pm

Well then give us all the REAL POOP on it professor! I can't wait to see this. No, I have two BS degrees and an MA. All from universities that would probably not admit YOU no matter how high your SAT. But, DO enlighten us.


chrisjay
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 4:37 pm

Randrodent, you are irony incarnate! Don't you realize that to Icelanders YOU will be the Wigger/wannabe?
You are just too funny!
LOL


Randwulf
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 4:41 pm

So you assume that Mr. Chavez is “brown” because of what, his name? How prejudiced of you. He may well be from Castile where the people are very, very European and not very friendly to immigrants at all. Most Spaniards, and especially those from the north look and act more like Europeans than most “White” Americans these days. And they actually have a culture. FAIL. LOL LOL LOL Dumbass.


Randwulf
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 4:45 pm

Meaningful way????? Oh this is rich. Pray tell. How so? They all have one thing in common. They pull their people together on a racial basis and they violently attack any members of any race that denies them what the want or is critical of them. And none of them worry too much about offending the WASP.


Randwulf
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 9:46 pm

Does Kapiolani know about this? Have they said as much? LINK?


Randwulf
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 9:46 pm

Does Kapiolani know about this? Have they said as much? LINK?


Randwulf
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 9:46 pm

Does Kapiolani know about this? Have they said as much? LINK?


Randwulf
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 4:49 pm

The last time I was there, they would approach me speaking Icelandic and the tourists would stop me to take pictures with me or ask for directions. Any questions.


ellid
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 4:52 pm

Please provide proof of your grandmother's Icelandic citizenship, your own descent from her (preferably a vault copy of your birth certificate, your parents' birth certificates, and your grandparents' birth certificates), and any and all archival material supporting your claim that she so much as knows how to spell “Reykjavík,” let alone has ever lived there or knows anyone in the Althing.

Failure to provide same within twenty-four hours will be considered proof that you have something to hide. Clock starts at 5:00 pm EST.

Tick…tick…tick….


chrisjay
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 4:56 pm

I can't imagine you have anything resembling a degree in anthropology—maybe you've read a little Jared Diamond but even so–that's pop-anthropology: one step up from your junk-anthropology. Neaderthals didn't 'sit on their black asses' waiting for game: they were nomadic, you dolt! as for various speculations on the ethnic cleansing which you fantasize was visited upon the Neanderthals by Cro magnon, that is far from established, Diamond's bestsellers notwithstanding…I could go on but you wouldn't trust the words of a race-traitor…


ellid
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 5:00 pm

1. There is no evidence that Neanderthals “sat on their lazy asses waiting for game.”

2. Modern dark-skinned races did not arise from interbreeding between Cro-Magnons and Neanderthals. If anything, recent genetic evidence indicates that pale skin is a very recent mutation in the human genome and arose within the last 10-20,000 years.

3. Blue eyes most certainly can and do arise from primarily dark-skinned populations. It's called “spontaneous mutation.” There's also a medical condition called albinism, which results in colorless skin, hair, and eyes.

4. The Ku Klux Klan, Guido List, British Israelites, and the LDS Church are not considered valid sources of information on scientific subjects.

Have fun skinny-dipping in the geysers.


ellid
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 5:08 pm

I'm very sorry, but the University of Phoenix, Capella University, and the William Howard Taft School of Discredited Racist Anthropology are not Tier I colleges as ranked by US News & World Report.


ellid
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 5:10 pm

Interesting, that someone who claims to be planning to move to a country where he has living relatives was not familiar with its national airline.


ellid
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 5:12 pm

Actually, a lot of Castilians have converso blood if you go far enough back….


ellid
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 5:18 pm

Oh, I'm offended all right, but not by any of the groups you mentioned.


chrisjay
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 5:19 pm

You have indicated elsewhere that “europeans” in general are adulterated with mud-people genes, that Icelanders are the only pure breds: make up your mind.


Anonymous
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 10:23 pm

Here is the racial breakdown of welfare recipients according to the government:

White 38.8%
Black 37.2
Hispanic 17.8
Asian 2.8
Other 3.4


Anonymous
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 10:23 pm

Here is the racial breakdown of welfare recipients according to the government:

White 38.8%
Black 37.2
Hispanic 17.8
Asian 2.8
Other 3.4


Anonymous
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 10:23 pm

Here is the racial breakdown of welfare recipients according to the government:

White 38.8%
Black 37.2
Hispanic 17.8
Asian 2.8
Other 3.4


Anonymous
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 10:24 pm

Asked and answered repeatedly.


chrisjay
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 5:26 pm

Then, of course, you'd make the mistake of opening your mouth. Icelanders are pretty civilized—I'm sure thay were discreet enough to laugh at you BEHIND your back.
LOL


Anonymous
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 10:27 pm

I seriously doubt that you would be able to find a residence anywhere near 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.


Anonymous
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 10:27 pm

I seriously doubt that you would be able to find a residence anywhere near 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.


Anonymous
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 10:27 pm

I seriously doubt that you would be able to find a residence anywhere near 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.


Anonymous
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 10:30 pm

Breakdown of welfare recipients by race:

White 38.8%
Black 37.2
Hispanic 17.8
Asian 2.8
Other 3.4


Anonymous
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 10:30 pm

Breakdown of welfare recipients by race:

White 38.8%
Black 37.2
Hispanic 17.8
Asian 2.8
Other 3.4


bearclaw
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 6:16 pm

And apparently he hadn't contacted Iceland's Embassy either. I suppose he'll just show up and tell them his grandma said he could stay.


chrisjay
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 6:47 pm

I hate that limp-wristed “pray tell” -line. Only pussies talk like that.
LOL


Guest
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 11:57 pm

What “some people” feel or say doesn’t matter. Over 69 million American voters said that Barack Obama belongs in the White House. He received more votes than any other political candidate in the history of the United States.


Guest
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 11:57 pm

What “some people” feel or say doesn’t matter. Over 69 million American voters said that Barack Obama belongs in the White House. He received more votes than any other political candidate in the history of the United States.


Guest
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 11:57 pm

What “some people” feel or say doesn’t matter. Over 69 million American voters said that Barack Obama belongs in the White House. He received more votes than any other political candidate in the history of the United States.


katahdin
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 7:10 pm

The GOP: Determined to jump every single shark they see.


JohnC
Comment posted December 19, 2009 @ 12:44 am

“They already KNOW all that they need to know.”

Happily, in this case we do. The State of Hawaii has issued a COLB which states Obama was born on the island of Oahu. I don’t need a plaque – the COLB is enough for me.


JohnC
Comment posted December 19, 2009 @ 12:44 am

“They already KNOW all that they need to know.”

Happily, in this case we do. The State of Hawaii has issued a COLB which states Obama was born on the island of Oahu. I don’t need a plaque – the COLB is enough for me.


JohnC
Comment posted December 19, 2009 @ 12:44 am

“They already KNOW all that they need to know.”

Happily, in this case we do. The State of Hawaii has issued a COLB which states Obama was born on the island of Oahu. I don’t need a plaque – the COLB is enough for me.


Anonymous
Comment posted December 19, 2009 @ 12:44 am

“Handsomer” is the correct usage. Words of one or two syllables are rendered into comparative tense with the suffix -er. Words of more than two syllable are rendered comparative with the addition of “more.”
Example:
Barack Obama is handsomer than you.
Michelle Obama is more beautiful than any woman you could ever hope to attract.


Anonymous
Comment posted December 19, 2009 @ 12:44 am

“Handsomer” is the correct usage. Words of one or two syllables are rendered into comparative tense with the suffix -er. Words of more than two syllable are rendered comparative with the addition of “more.”
Example:
Barack Obama is handsomer than you.
Michelle Obama is more beautiful than any woman you could ever hope to attract.


Anonymous
Comment posted December 19, 2009 @ 12:44 am

“Handsomer” is the correct usage. Words of one or two syllables are rendered into comparative tense with the suffix -er. Words of more than two syllable are rendered comparative with the addition of “more.”
Example:
Barack Obama is handsomer than you.
Michelle Obama is more beautiful than any woman you could ever hope to attract.


Anonymous
Comment posted December 19, 2009 @ 12:47 am

Some documentation. Obama has shown and posted the official birth certificate of Hawaii. The Certification of Live Birth is the official birth certificate. It is the only birth certificate that Hawaii issues. The facts on it have been repeatedly confirmed by the officials in Hawaii.

As for a birth certificate that shows the name of the hospital, the reason that it has not been released is because Hawaii does not send it out. Obama does not have the original. He has what Hawaii sent him, the certification. Who is responsible for not showing the original? Hawaii. Hawaii has it and will not release it.

To be sure, that is unnecessary. Only the facts that he was born in Hawaii in 1961 are relevant, and as I say, Hawaii has repeatedly confirmed them. But the namoe of the hospital is not on the short-form certificate, and Hawaii does not send out the original.

And as stated below, the name of the hospital was Kapiolani, as Obama and this witness who recalls being told of the birth both say (http://www.buffalonews.com/494/story/554495.html). Kapiolani itself cannot say for two reasons (1) privacy laws; (2) it may not even have records that go back that far.


Anonymous
Comment posted December 19, 2009 @ 12:47 am

Some documentation. Obama has shown and posted the official birth certificate of Hawaii. The Certification of Live Birth is the official birth certificate. It is the only birth certificate that Hawaii issues. The facts on it have been repeatedly confirmed by the officials in Hawaii.

As for a birth certificate that shows the name of the hospital, the reason that it has not been released is because Hawaii does not send it out. Obama does not have the original. He has what Hawaii sent him, the certification. Who is responsible for not showing the original? Hawaii. Hawaii has it and will not release it.

To be sure, that is unnecessary. Only the facts that he was born in Hawaii in 1961 are relevant, and as I say, Hawaii has repeatedly confirmed them. But the namoe of the hospital is not on the short-form certificate, and Hawaii does not send out the original.

And as stated below, the name of the hospital was Kapiolani, as Obama and this witness who recalls being told of the birth both say (http://www.buffalonews.com/494/story/554495.html). Kapiolani itself cannot say for two reasons (1) privacy laws; (2) it may not even have records that go back that far.


ellid
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 8:20 pm

Three hours and counting.


ellid
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 8:21 pm

I'm sure she's far too busy scrubbing floors in the Althing.


ellid
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 11:25 pm

Six hours and counting.


katahdin
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 11:32 pm

Here's the thing about racists. They can wallow all they want in their fastasies of racial purity, but nobody else has to take them seriously. While they spit and spew over “mongrels” and “mud-people” people of different racial backgrounds are just going to keep on meeting, falling in love and making families together. Racists can march around screaming “white power” and other such meaningless slogans, but the world will keep spinning around them. They can do some damage. They can hurt and kill people. But no power on Earth can do anything to stop the power of two pairs of eyes meeting across a room, and the bloom of attraction and love. It's what makes families and it will always find a way. No ideology has a snowball's chance in Hell against it.

So go ahead and scream your slogans. The rules of your little world only exist in your own heads, and no one else is obliged to take you seriously, least of all the millions of interracial families in this country.


ReddGraeme
Comment posted December 19, 2009 @ 2:00 am

If the Obama produced whatever Birth Certificate he mentions “looking at” on page 26 of “Dreams of My Father” and released his Occidental & Columbia college records us birthers would really have nothing else to say.


ellid
Comment posted December 19, 2009 @ 8:16 am

THIRD time you've pasted the identical statement in a thread, old sport. And as I have numerous times before, I must ask for the following:

Your wife's tribal ID card. Nothing else will be acceptable to prove the statement you made almost two months ago that she belongs to Native American tribe.

An original vault copy birth certificate proving that your daughter a) was originally from Korea despite having a Japanese name (which I doubted from the beginning, given the animosity between the two countries), and b) that you adopted her.

Proof, in the form of church membership rolls, legal records, and non-Photoshopped pictures, that a) your daughter has a boyfriend, b) that he was involved in a gang, c) that he is now a born-again Christian, and d) that he is Hispanic.

You're been asked for the above again and again and again. You always change the subject, shift to another thread, or ignore me. Yes, there's a lot of paper, but it's a fraction of what you're demanding from the President.

So Gunny, or Red, or whatever the hell you're calling yourself today:

What are you hiding?


ellid
Comment posted December 19, 2009 @ 8:17 am

Fifteen hours and counting.


katahdin
Comment posted December 19, 2009 @ 11:31 am

Nonsense. You'd still be playing scary 'foreign father' card for all you're worth, which isn't much.


ellid
Comment posted December 19, 2009 @ 11:39 am

Eighteen hours and counting.

Bets that Randwulf is, like every other birther, going to ignore this and start another thread?


ellid
Comment posted December 19, 2009 @ 8:33 pm

Over one day, and not a sign that Randwulf, Icelandic Aryan and proud racist, is going to put his money where his oversized mouth is. I therefore have no choice but to assume that everything he said about being Icelandic is a lie.

Not that a birther lying in his teeth is a surprise, mind.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted December 19, 2009 @ 8:37 pm

And once again, Obama will never show is long form BC as long as you ask for it. He doesn't want you all to go away because you're doing a lot of damage to the Republican party. You and Sarah Palin have f'd it all up.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted December 19, 2009 @ 8:41 pm

Hey, Randwulf (aka Randy, aka Wolf Shield). Don't let the door hit yur ass on the way out. Hope you and your family enjoy living in a REAL socialist country. Sure, it may still be a Democracy as this country is. But it is far more socialist than the 'socialism' you claim has taken over the United States. Oh, and don't come back after you leave because you're a traitor.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted December 19, 2009 @ 9:04 pm

LOL!


jtg77
Comment posted December 20, 2009 @ 6:54 am

I don't know what's more pathetic: the birther moonbat trolls (including pathetic neo-Nazi sociopaths/Internet tough guys like Randwulf) who have commented here or the people who bothered to reply to them instead of ignoring them.


smrstrauss
Comment posted December 20, 2009 @ 2:33 pm

He saw that document many years ago. It is highly likely that it has been lost since then. That being the case, how can he show something that he does not have? We know that Hawaii send out only the Certification. That is what it sent to Obama, just as it sends only the Certification to everyone else. The Certification is the official birth certificate of Hawaii, and it is accepted as proof of birth in the USA by the US State Department and the branches of the US military.


thesheriffsani
Comment posted December 20, 2009 @ 5:12 pm

Good riddance. Don't let the door hit you on your way out, loser.


thesheriffsani
Comment posted December 20, 2009 @ 5:13 pm

Wow, the racist Nazi trash runs like a coward. Why am I not surprised.


katahdin
Comment posted December 20, 2009 @ 6:40 pm

Unfortunately, there are gullible people who will believe the nonsense if it is not refuted. You want to know how lies like the birther nonsense get spread around? Bill Mahr said it best: “dummies talking to other dummies.” It why a substantial minority of teenagers believe that Mountain Dew is birth control, and why most of the parents of those teenagers are birthers. Failure to refute lies leads to those lies being accepted as truth.


Anonymous
Comment posted December 21, 2009 @ 3:10 am

Oh, BTW – Borderraven thinks I’m stalking him and pretty much challenged me to a smackdown. He also called me a Communist and a lesbian.

Very interesting fellow, I’d say.


HRCin2012
Comment posted December 21, 2009 @ 12:32 am

It has been reported that Mr&Mrs Obama vistited Kenya over summer of '61 break from college and Stannie was not allowed to board the 4-engine propjob for a trip over the Pacific due to her obvious late-stage of pregnancy w/baby Barack. Hence BHO2 was born in Kenya just like it says on 2 Kenyan BCs and in 3 African newspapers. Granny Obama & the Kenyan Ambassador both verbally agreed with that report. But even if the Obama was born in Hawaii he was born a Brit under British Common Law and at best a dual-citizen under U.S. Code. He could not have been a natural-born citizen due to his mother being under 19YO. Later he became an Indonesian and attended college as a Foreign Student.


RedGraham
Comment posted December 21, 2009 @ 3:18 am

Yeah he was probably stoned in a daisychain w/some other guys and used it to giveout his phone#.


RedGraham
Comment posted December 21, 2009 @ 3:18 am

Using the term “birther” in a condescending, Orwellian manner to discredit decent, hard working Americans who believe that the US Constitution is the law of the land, will not be tolerated.
1. Barack Obama has employed a legion of private and government attorneys to prevent revealing his country of birth. Innocent and eligible persons seeking the office of president do not do that.
2. Barack Obama’s father was a citizen of Kenya and a British citizen. “natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution” was explicitly written to deal with the issue of foreign allegiances at the time of the writing of the US Constitution.
3. Barack Obama’s citizenship and allegiance was further tainted when he was adopted by his stepfather Lolo Soetoro and Obama became an Indonesian citizen.
4. Some combination of the above allowed Obama to travel to Pakistan in 1981 when travel there was restricted to US citizens.
5. The only document presented by the Obama camp is a Hawaii COLB. There has been no substantiation that it is authentic and it does not establish country of birth. As Lou Dobbs stated, “It is a piece of paper that refers to another piece of paper.”
6. All other documentation, all school records, that would establish country of birth have been kept hidden and restricted.
7. No authentic documentation has been presented to establish that Barack Obama was born in the US.
8. The records of all hospitals in Hawaii have been searched. There is no record of Stanley Ann Obama ever having given birth to a child.
9. Barack Obama’s paternal grandmother in Kenya has stated on multiple occasions that she was present at Obama’s birth in Mombasa.
10. Others have stated, including multiple family members, officials and press, that Obama was born in Kenya.
This has been presented in a manner that a fifth grader can understand. However, if you have any questions, please contact me on this blog.
Failure to learn more about and understand this critical issue and take appropriate measures can only be construed as apathy, ignorance or having an unAmerican agenda. This includes the Mainstream Media and the Fox network.


ellid
Comment posted December 21, 2009 @ 7:21 am

Where is the information about your family I've requested?


ellid
Comment posted December 21, 2009 @ 7:21 am

Second cut and paste of information debunked months ago.


ellid
Comment posted December 21, 2009 @ 7:22 am

Where is the information about your family that I have requested. I'm particularly curious about why your Korean daughter has a Japanese name.


chrisjay
Comment posted December 21, 2009 @ 1:46 pm

If this thread is too 'pathetic' for you, you can always move along…find something more sanitary, possibly? I LOVE the free entertainment that Birfers provide; interacting with them is half the fun—- ignoring them doesn't make 'em go away; matter of fact, keeping them pecking at their keyboards may be what keeps them away from schoolyards, so consider it a patriotic pastime to provoke 'em!


MN_independent
Comment posted December 21, 2009 @ 5:30 pm

I prefer the term birfer. Much less condescending.


MN_independent
Comment posted December 21, 2009 @ 5:36 pm

Well, we know he's not hiding his prejudice, ignorance or lack of intelligence.


Anonymous
Comment posted December 22, 2009 @ 12:02 am

CORRECT – My ancestors hail from Portugal, Spain and Mexico… However, I am a red blooded American, I love my counrty and I respect the constitution. Unlike the fraud in the White House.


Anonymous
Comment posted December 22, 2009 @ 12:06 am

Chrisjay… How typical of most liberals to make such condescending generalizations about minorities… My ancestors hail from Portugal, Spain and Mexico… However, I am a red blooded American, I love my counrty and I respect the constitution. Unlike the fraud in the White House.
P.S.
You keep your CHANGE, l’ll keep my CONSTITUTION…


gchavez
Comment posted December 21, 2009 @ 7:10 pm

I am proud to be considered “Birther”. I will gladly wear that badge with honor.


gchavez
Comment posted December 21, 2009 @ 7:21 pm

“Where's the birth certificate?” The American people have a right to know

Public pressure – and only public pressure – is what will help us press this important constitutional issue forward. It won't be done in the courtroom without public pressure – I promise you that.


ellid
Comment posted December 21, 2009 @ 10:37 pm

Asked and answered, repeatedly.

Find another obsession, like washing your hands till they bleed.


ellid
Comment posted December 21, 2009 @ 10:38 pm

I'm sure it looks divine with dunce cap.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted December 21, 2009 @ 11:21 pm

Barack H. Obama is the 44th President of the United States.

His story is the American story — values from the heartland, a middle-class upbringing in a strong family, hard work and education as the means of getting ahead, and the conviction that a life so blessed should be lived in service to others.

With a father from Kenya and a mother from Kansas, President Obama was born in Hawaii on August 4, 1961. He was raised with help from his grandfather, who served in Patton's army, and his grandmother, who worked her way up from the secretarial pool to middle management at a bank.

The rest:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/administration/presid…


katahdin
Comment posted December 21, 2009 @ 11:34 pm

Can't you just whack off, like a normal lonely dude?


gchavez
Comment posted December 22, 2009 @ 12:37 am

Now if Barry would only quit hiding his vital records and make them public…afterall didn't he promise to be transparent?? Or was that just another lie??


ellid
Comment posted December 22, 2009 @ 8:02 am

He hasn't hidden anything, as you well know.

Also, “after all” are two words, not one.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted December 22, 2009 @ 1:03 pm

Transparency in government.

For identity thieves like you, we have laws to protect people.

His proof of natural born status is available 24/7 on the internet.

Your disbelief id pathetic, delusional and most importantly, irrelevant. You are scum.


chrisjay
Comment posted December 22, 2009 @ 1:49 pm

“It has been reported…”
LOL


chrisjay
Comment posted December 22, 2009 @ 1:54 pm

Now that Blandwulf has cut&run, looks like his faithful sidekick gchavez is left alone to tilt at the windmill all alone; I'm sure the chump is up to it—he seem to have what it takes to keep bashing his head on the bricks, no matter how much precious brain is sacrificed in the pathetic ritual.
You go, Big 'g' !!


katahdin
Comment posted December 22, 2009 @ 2:07 pm

Why are right-wing nuts so obsessed with the gay? Could it because they're afaid they might catch if they give in just once to their own repressed desires?


gchavez
Comment posted December 22, 2009 @ 6:29 pm

Think about it…If Barry has nothing to hide, he would be in this predicament. Right?

Original, vault copy birth certificate — Not released
Certification of Live Birth — Released — Counterfeit
Obama/Dunham marriage license — Not released
Obama/Dunham divorce — Released (by independent investigators)
Kindergarten records — Records lost by State of Hawaii
Soetoro/Dunham marriage license — Not released
Soetoro adoption records — Not released
Fransiskus Assisi School School application — Released (by independent investigators)
Punahou School records — Not released
Soetoro/Dunham divorce — Released (by independent investigators)
Selective Service Registration — Released — Under suspicion
Social Security Number — Under suspicion
Occidental College records — Not released
Passport — Not released and records scrubbed clean by Obama's terrorism and intelligence adviser
Columbia College records — Not released
Columbia thesis — “Soviet Nuclear Disarmament” — Not released
Harvard College records — Not released
Harvard Law Review articles — None
Illinois Bar Records — Not released.
Baptism certificate — None
Medical records — Not released
Illinois State Senate records — None
Illinois State Senate schedule — Lost
Law practice client list — Not released
University of Chicago scholarly articles — None

The Illinois State Archives told Judicial Watch that they never received any request from then Senator Obama to archive any records in his possession. In 2007, Obama told Tim Russert that his records were “not kept.”

And there's less on the web every day. In time, the entire Obama body of knowledge will consist of 3 documents — “Dreams From My Father” — “The Audacity of Hope” — and the latest — “Change We Can Believe In” — all written by Barack Hussein Obama or his “ghost-writers.”

Just an accident? I don't think so.


gchavez
Comment posted December 22, 2009 @ 6:37 pm

Barry Soetoro AKA “Barack H. Obama” the 44th President of the United States. Is it pssible this presidency is a sham, a hoax, the worst constitutional crisis in the history USA??? Sadly enough, the evidence points to the appearant fraud that has been perpetrated.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted December 22, 2009 @ 7:11 pm

What predicament? Obama isn't losing any sleep worrying about you birthtards. So, keep it up all you want. Just shows how utterly stupid you are.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted December 22, 2009 @ 7:18 pm

Yea, reported on WND or some other nutwing website where they make sh*t up.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted December 22, 2009 @ 7:20 pm

I guess you should know best. You probably puff a dick once in awhile.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted December 22, 2009 @ 7:26 pm

Too bad you birthtards are such a small minority compared to the rest of the USA.


katahdin
Comment posted December 22, 2009 @ 8:41 pm

Actually, it's a good thing that the majority of citizens of this country are sane, and the crazy birthers are a tiny, obsessed racist minority.


ellid
Comment posted December 22, 2009 @ 10:44 pm

Gchavez aka Naturalizedcitizen aka Orly Taitz aka Someotherstupidhandle is an obsessed birther who can barely read or write English. Is it possible that this person is unaware of how ridiculous his/her/its mewlings are? Sadly enough, the evidence points to the evident insanity of this poster.


gchavez
Comment posted December 24, 2009 @ 12:44 am

What is “Natural Born”?? – Under the laws of nature, every child born requires no act of law to establish the fact the child inherits through nature his/her father’s citizenship as well as his name (or even his property) through birth. This law of nature is also recognized by law of nations. Sen. Howard said the citizenship clause under the Fourteenth Amendment was by virtue of “natural law and national law.”

The advantages of Natural Law is competing allegiances between nations are avoided, or at least with those nations whose custom is to not make citizens of other countries citizens without their consent. Any alternations or conflicts due to a child’s natural citizenship are strictly a creature of local municipal law. In the year 1866, the United States for the first time adopted a local municipal law under Sec. 1992 of U.S. Revised Statutes that read: “All persons born in the United States and not subject to any foreign power, excluding Indians not taxed, are declared to be citizens of the United States.”

Rep. John A. Bingham commenting on Section 1992 said it means “every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen.” (Cong. Globe, 39th, 1st Sess., 1291 (1866) Obama Sr., was at the time a British Subjet, therefore owing his allegiance not to America.


GunnyRed
Comment posted December 24, 2009 @ 12:59 am

Obama is NOT an Article II Natural Born Citizen and therefore is NOT eligible to be President. This is the biggest political cover-up in U.S. History.
see Kerchner et al v. Obama & Congress et al
visit http://www.protectourliberty.org
phone 732.521-1900


Ishmael
Comment posted December 24, 2009 @ 4:11 am

BRIEFS DUE BY JANUARY 4TH, 2010
by John Charlton
(Nov. 25, 2009)— The long process of appealing the ruling of Judge Jerome B. Simandle, who dismissed the case of Kerchner et al. vs. Obama & Congress has begun. The Federal 3rd Circuit Court of Appeals in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, has set the due date for the filing of briefs of the appellants in the case: January 4th, 2010.
Commander Charles F. Kerchner, Jr., USNR Retired, issued a public statement regarding the announcement: We look forward to moving ahead with this very important constitutional case along the legal pathway to the ultimate decision maker for this historic and precedence setting lawsuit, the U.S. Supreme Court. They will determine the answer to the pressing legal question of what is a “natural born Citizen” of the USA per Article II constitutional standards and did Obama and the U.S. Congress violate the Constitution and statutory laws and my constitutional rights during the 2008 election cycle. And, the Supreme Court will also be asked to refer their legal definition to Congress to determine if Obama meets that legal ruled definition. I say Obama does not meet the founders and framers intent for the Article II eligibility clause.
I say Obama is a deceiver and a usurper.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted December 24, 2009 @ 8:54 am

And it is real simple. You are wrong.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted December 24, 2009 @ 8:56 am

Too bad you will all be running around like a bunch of ants that had your nest disturbed for the next 3 years. Obama will win a second term if he decides to run in 2012. None of your arguments hold water. That is why your kind will never win.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted December 24, 2009 @ 9:00 am

This is an interesting situation if you really look at it. This is the first time in history where we have people from the Aryan Nation, KKK, and Jews – normally people that don't like each other – working together. The best part is just reading what they write. It's like they're constantly regurgitating the same thing day after day as if they're going to convince normal people to join their cause. The only thing they can suck into their vacuum are more nuts. Their cause is pointless. Their movement will end.


NOT_AXJ
Comment posted December 24, 2009 @ 9:05 am

Think of us as cats with a bunch of mice. It's kind of hard not to swat them around a little. If it is pathetic to you that we don't ignore them, then go silently into the night. For us, it is a source of amusement to break up the monotony of the day. At least it is for me.


ellid
Comment posted December 24, 2009 @ 11:40 am

Wrong again, as has been pointed out to you multiple times.

Also, prove you aren't a bigot. Produce the evidence that your family is multiracial, or admit that you are lying.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted December 24, 2009 @ 2:53 pm

Birthers need to be prosecuted.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted December 24, 2009 @ 2:54 pm

You're a bigot and a coward.

Where's your hood?


thesheriffsani
Comment posted December 24, 2009 @ 3:29 pm

i see Grampa Red's forgot his meds and his password again.


RedGraham
Comment posted December 24, 2009 @ 4:45 pm

Barack – you have to step up, grow a spine, and confront this idiocy like a man. We can make all the circumstantial arguments we want, but you’re the only one that has the irrefutable proof – so the responsibility for the growth of the birther movement is all yours. From here on out, you can do what you wish about it, but if you keep all of those records sealed, we will call it what is – a political ploy to ensure that you have the birthers as an issue in 2012. And if indeed there is no long-form birth certificate due to some accident or clerical error, at least open up the rest of the records (like your college grades) as a show of good faith.


gchavez
Comment posted December 24, 2009 @ 7:47 pm

Irrelevant like you


ellid
Comment posted December 25, 2009 @ 12:07 am

*yawn*

Go back to your hole, troll.


ellid
Comment posted December 25, 2009 @ 12:07 am

Better than being an idiot.


ellid
Comment posted December 25, 2009 @ 12:08 am

Who is this Charlton person, and why should I care?


gchavez
Comment posted December 25, 2009 @ 1:48 pm

Now if Barry Soetoro AKA Obama would only quit hiding his vital records and make them public…after all didn't he promise to be transparent?? Or was that just another lie??

Original, vault copy birth certificate — Not released
Certification of Live Birth — Released — Counterfeit
Obama/Dunham marriage license — Not released
Obama/Dunham divorce — Released (by independent investigators)
Kindergarten records — Records lost by State of Hawaii
Soetoro/Dunham marriage license — Not released
Soetoro adoption records — Not released
Fransiskus Assisi School application — Released (by independent investigators)
Punahou School records — Not released
Soetoro/Dunham divorce — Released (by independent investigators)
Selective Service Registration — Released — Under suspicion
Social Security Number — Under suspicion
Occidental College records — Not released
Passport — Not released and records scrubbed clean by Obama's terrorism and intelligence adviser
Columbia College records — Not released
Columbia thesis — “Soviet Nuclear Disarmament” — Not released
Harvard College records — Not released
Harvard Law Review articles — None
Illinois Bar Records — Not released.
Baptism certificate — None
Medical records — Not released
Illinois State Senate records — None
Illinois State Senate schedule — Lost
Law practice client list — Not released
University of Chicago scholarly articles – None

So much for being transparent…or Just an accident? I don't think so.


ellid
Comment posted December 25, 2009 @ 11:33 pm

Another cut and paste job. Still doesn't change the law or the facts.


RedGraham
Comment posted December 26, 2009 @ 2:55 am

Because his Kenyan Citizenship was still in effect in 1983, Obama may still be a Kenyan Citizen. Neither the President nor any of his surrogates have addressed this issue. Locate where he legally changed his name to Barack H. Obama? It is fraud to run for and serve as President under an “alias” name. What about Soetoro/Obama's Indonesian citizenship? We have the school record, which Soetoro/Obama has admitted too.Obama released two (2) forged images of a Certification of Live Birth, claiming it to be his birth certificate. The Hawaii Health Department has NEVER verified the images placed on the internet. Law 101: No agency or person can look at an online image and state the document came from their agency or location, unless the person making such statement was the one who personally printed the document in question (Soetoro/Obama's Certification of Live Birth in this case) and handed it to Soetoro/Obama and can prove it is in fact the same document. If in fact Soetoro/Obama was a U.S. “natural born” citizen and eligible to serve as our United States President, why in the world would he spend in excess of a million dollars litigating these cases instead of just proving his citizenship status? because Soetoro/Obama can't.
See: http://obamacrimes.com/
and theobamafile
visit http://www.protectourliberty.org
phone 732.521-1900


RedGraham
Comment posted December 26, 2009 @ 2:57 am

Anti-birthers need to be prosecuted.


Palin4Prez
Comment posted December 26, 2009 @ 3:31 am

Here's a British citizenship article that will knock your socks off. The anti-birthers will have fun trying to “debunk” this one.
http://www.thepostemail.com/2009/12/24/britis


ellid
Comment posted December 26, 2009 @ 12:01 pm

Why should we? Every birther argument has been knocked down because of two very simple facts:

1. The President was born in Hawaii. Not Kenya, not Equatorial Guinea, not Indonesia. Hawaii. As such, he is a natural born citizen.

2. Since the President never actively affirmed the Kenyan citizenship he acquired from his father, it lapsed in the early 1980s. As such, he is a citizen of only one country, the United States of America.

Sorry about that, old sport! Why don't you do something useful, like teach Sarah Palin that incoherent Beat poetry is not a speech?


ellid
Comment posted December 26, 2009 @ 12:02 pm

Yet more cut and paste jobs, and once again, not a scrap of evidence that Gunny/Gummy/Red/Redd is anything other than a bigoted old man living by himself in a trailer park.


chrisjay
Comment posted December 26, 2009 @ 2:42 pm

RunnyRed, why have you never responded to me regarding your assertion about school eligibility in Indonesia? Weeks ago I called you a LIAR when you claimed that you must be an Indonesian citizen to attend school there.
Remember? I told you that I know more than one American citizen who has enrolled in school in Jakarta and/or Bali.
Are you going to man-up and acknowledge your prevarication?


chrisjay
Comment posted December 26, 2009 @ 2:44 pm

Palin, LOL!
She has provided me with even more cary-esque entertainment this year than Orly Taitz—–and that's really saying something!!


ellid
Comment posted December 26, 2009 @ 4:47 pm

On what grounds, refusing to believe a bunch of bullshit from a Moldovan with too much eye makeup?


ellid
Comment posted December 26, 2009 @ 4:49 pm

Of course he isn't. He's going to change his name, lie again, and continue to post the same tired old bulldada in another thread.


katahdin
Comment posted December 26, 2009 @ 5:57 pm

Why prosecute them when they're so much funnier roaming around free?


katahdin
Comment posted December 26, 2009 @ 6:02 pm

I'm just curious. Did you also believe that Bill Clinton had a hit squad that murdered 60 people? Did you believe that he was a drug runner? That he was addicted to cocaine?
All these conspiracy theories aimed at President Obama, got their start during the Clinton Administration. Same nuts, brand new crazy.


katahdin
Comment posted December 27, 2009 @ 8:49 pm

Anyone who thinks that Sarah “Putin rears his head” Palin is remotely qualified to head the most powerful nation on Earth had never had a coherent thought in his or her head.
By the way, do you think that Mary and Joseph rode to Bethleham on a dinosaur?


Palin4Prez
Comment posted December 28, 2009 @ 11:21 am

So basically it all still comes down to the original Birth Certificate & college records.


ellid
Comment posted December 28, 2009 @ 12:57 pm

No. There is no controversy except in your mind, Orly.


chrisjay
Comment posted December 28, 2009 @ 2:10 pm

Let's ask Orly, okay Palin4?
Oops, Orly is busy with Charlie Lincoln's bombshell announcement regarding their sordid love triangle and how Orly hurt&used him—maybe we won't check in w/Orly today. looks like you're on your own with your silly fabrications!


elmalo
Comment posted December 28, 2009 @ 6:06 pm

Have you ever seen Orly? It has to be a dude in drag.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted December 28, 2009 @ 10:07 pm

You're an idiot and there is nothing to debunk.


chrisjay
Comment posted December 29, 2009 @ 3:58 pm

Where's Austin Powers when you need 'em:
“…that's a man, baby!!”


katahdin
Comment posted December 29, 2009 @ 7:36 pm

My socks remain firmly in place.


HRCin2012
Comment posted December 30, 2009 @ 1:32 am

To become President of the United States for starters both of your parents must have been U.S. citizens and you must be born on U.S. soil.


ellid
Comment posted December 30, 2009 @ 7:55 am

Third identical post of the same inaccurate contention by an attorney so bad her ex-boyfriend called her incompetent.


oncewasbc
Comment posted December 30, 2009 @ 2:40 pm

I hope everyone posting here realizes that one birfer is posting under multiple names. On this thread, that one person has posted as HRCin2012, Palin4Prez, RedGraham, GunnyRed, and Ishmael. How do I know this? Simple. Click on the “face” to the right of the name. (You will note that both HRCin2012 and Palin4Prez are “guests”). Then click on the hypertext link for “View More Comments.” Look at the left side of the comments page: You will see that it lists “Names Used” by the same “guest”. What you will see is that one person has been posting (and posing) under multiple guest names, apparently in order to make it appear that there are more of birfers posting here than is actually the case. Here is what we find:

Names Used

GunnyRed
KitKat
Berftard4Life
M.O.
RPaulMD
Red Graham
HRCin2012
AndNowThis
MakethePieHigher
RedGrahm
reddgrahem
JWilkins
BillyBob
Keyes4Prez
ReddGraeme
Ishmael
Palin4Prez
RedGraham

All the same person. So you might ask “RedGraham” why he is engaging in this subterfuge. Obviously, he realizes that he is part of a tiny minority. He is trying mightily to create the impression of a birfer movement, when in fact it is just digital masturbation by one birfer, who not surprisingly gets near-erotic pleasure from agreeing with himself.


ellid
Comment posted December 30, 2009 @ 10:04 pm

Hi, Gunny! Why so many names? What are you doing, auditioning for a remake of “The Nine Billion Names of God”?


Alfa Bett Bois
Comment posted January 2, 2010 @ 1:55 am

Barack Obama’s Selective Service registration card and accompanying documents show that questions about him are not only NOT over, but if the signature on the document is in fact his, our Commander-in-Chief may have committed a federal crime in 2008, well within the statute of limitations on the matter. If it is not his, then it’s proof positive that our Commander-in-Chief never registered with the Selective Service as required by law. By law, he was required to register and was legally able to do so until the age of 26.
But the Selective Service System registration (”SSS Form 1″) and accompanying computer print-out (”SSS Print-out), below, released by the Selective Service show the oddities and irregularities, all of which indicate the document was created in 2008 and backdated.


ellid
Comment posted January 2, 2010 @ 9:40 am

Hi, Gunny. You aren't fooling us any longer, so kindly stop changing your handle every five seconds. You don't need to.

*pats gently on the head and calls for the nice young men in their clean white coats*


jayhg
Comment posted January 26, 2010 @ 7:16 pm

Gunny's got yet another name………


jayhg
Comment posted January 27, 2010 @ 12:16 am

Gunny's got yet another name………


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