How You Know Obama’s Winning
Friday, December 11, 2009 at 11:03 am
Just an addendum to Dave’s insightful post: when you see conservatives lauding President Obama’s Nobel speech or his Afghanistan policy by, say, comparing something to George W. Bush’s speeches, that’s how you know Obama is winning. Appropriation and recontextualization is the tribute political vice plays to political virtue. Democrats did much the same thing with, say, Bush’s education policies or his unsuccessful immigration initiative, except they largely stayed away from saying things like, “Bush gives a speech that Ted Kennedy or Bill Clinton might have given …”
In any event, note another neat trick: when Obama does something conservatives dislike, it’s proof of his out-of-control liberalism. When Obama does something conservatives like, it’s proof of how liberals are pathetically impotent. Conservative punditry may not be very original these days, but at least predictability can be comforting.
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Comment posted December 11, 2009 @ 11:28 am
As a liberal democrat, I also believe that Obama is pathetically impotent as a leader.
Is there no end to his finding the 'middle ground' between sanity and lunacy?
One step toward lunacy, his preference, is just that. A step toward lunacy.
Comment posted December 13, 2009 @ 10:01 am
” Obama is winning”… he has won the war of destroying our country in record time! Largest deficit in history, most lobbiest cronies in history,most deceitful president in history,most partisan pres,. in history, created most gov. controlled, socilaist regime in American history, denounced his country more times than any pres. ever, has the worst Gallup rating than any pres. in history, …just the short “Win” list
Comment posted December 13, 2009 @ 10:12 am
Wow. You are truly brainwashed by Limbaugh, Beck, et al., aren't you? Obama only recently became President during the worst financial and international crisis in generations. He inherited two wars to boot. You're blaming HIM for these things? You know, he hasn't been in office even a year yet.
You wingnut lunatics are something else… Keep up the insipid hyperbole, though. It'll keep your favorite hypocritical political thugs out of office for a long time to come.
Comment posted December 13, 2009 @ 10:32 am
The only place where Obama is winning is in reality. He's catching PR heck from right and left along the way, but here's the deal: Economic disaster, inherited from Republican policies, averted; stock market up 20%+; unemployment already trending down, a neat two years faster than Reagan could manage the same trick in easier times; better diplomatic relations with every friendly nation on earth, and fewer outright enemies; TARP managed well enough that it may end up costing little or nothing; sound financial regulation to prevent the return of derivative meltdowns on track; the war against terror finally framed in realistic, legal, productive ways that let us do more harm to our enemies than to ourselves; and a whole host of quieter changes in environmental protection that return us to actually protecting the environment. The only thing the conservatives' beloved Ronnie did this fast is establish the regressive tax policies that remain the main reason why we continue to run massive deficits and continue to lose ground to the higher-tax, high-service economies that have come through the current bad times the best. He took on his main PR disaster, health care, because he knows that substantively it's the right thing to do. Dude has this issue with believing in “reality,” and it costs him in the PR world that Palin works so well; but it's good for the rest of us that he does.
Comment posted December 13, 2009 @ 10:40 am
Winning? If you work on Wall Street maybe. If you are one of the millions of unemployed, underemployed or barely employed, you might see things in a different light. I had high hopes, but the path he has chosen is the path of failure no matter how low you choose to 'set the bar'. I'll be shocked if he isn't impeached by his own party before his third year is finished.
Comment posted December 13, 2009 @ 10:53 am
I LOVE how when you disagree… you're automatically brainwashed by Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity… so on.
Well you're all brainwashed by tingle up the leg Matthews, “Cranky” Old man Olbermann and Rachael “MadCow”.
Look, Yeah yeah, Obama “Inherited” a falling economy… well what the schmell did he do to correct the problem?
spend TRILLIONS of dollars on things like giving money to Acorn, studying radioactive rabbit poops.. (yes that's actually in the stimulus bill, look it up.)
and when that didn't work, well lets go and spend a few more billions of dollars on another stimulus that's not going to work.
Under Bush we had less than an 8% unemployment rate. If Obama's first stimulus got passed like… NOW… we wouldn't see 8%. 10% later…… where's that stimulus?
And you are delusional if you think the economy and job market is improving. You have to have an IQ of 1 if you believe the crap coming out of the white house.
“We were at 10.2%, but the job market is improving… we dropped 2% and are not at 10%. Well, we did lose about 11,000 more jobs this past month… but it's getting better.”
What the schmell? Seriously? the job loss rate goes DOWN even though thousands are still LOSING JOBS? How does that work? Oh yeah… because of JOBS SAVED. Because you know… Obama goes from company to company and asks how many people WERE going to be laid off if not for the stimulus package.
And lets not forget all the jobs created. All the temporary, will be ending by the time he's up for re-election jobs. Creating temporary jobs is just like saying, Here's a bandaide, I'll take care of the rest when I'm re-elected.
Lets also look at how he took over GM. Closed Saturn (jobs lost) sent Hummer overseas to China… (jobs lost) That was a great deal wasn't it?
now he wants to take over Healthcare? (despite what the MAJORITY of Americans want… even those without healthcare can see the issues with government run health care.)
He promised to bring troops home… then he sent them all to Afghanistan. While there, the general HE appointed asked for more troops. It was so important, that he didn't want to rush his decision.
So he went to France on date night with his wife, Took her to the theater, went to Copenhagen to vie for the olympics in Chicago… it took him months to even review the request, then more months to “think” about it.
and now that he's committed us to a new war… he decided “here's the date we'll pull out”… wait, aren't we suppose to pull out when we've WON? from what it sounds like, we're not even close to winning. So we're going to pull out win or lose? Wow we sound like a strong nation.
everything Obama has done may be a “win” for him… but it's a big loss for the country.
Comment posted December 13, 2009 @ 10:57 am
oh and lets talk about the “improving” housing market.
yes houses are selling… but ask ANYONE whose recently sold their house. they are taking a MAJOR loss, just because they need to dump the house.
I took an almost $80,000 hit on my home… my brother pulled his house off the market and my sister lost $30,000 on her home.
So yeah, houses are selling, but not for even CLOSE to what they're worth. People are taking big hits in the pocketbook. Its great for buyers, yes… but nothng is improving for sellers.
Comment posted December 13, 2009 @ 11:09 am
President Obama is doing a fine job and most of the people that elected him still support him. The President inherited 2 wars, the greatest economic disaster since the Great Depression, a 1 trillion+ dollar deficit, a ruined international image and reputation, Gitmo, and a collapse of the banking system. It was Bushes idea to bail out the banks. Lazy armchair Americans shoot their mouths off and criticize the President without knowing the facts. With the economy in total shambles from Bush and the republicans, the banking system failed simultaneously. It was all due to the house of cards that Bush and the republicans built. If the banks were not “bailed out” the entire world economy would have tanked and millions would have starved to death.After 1 year in office, Obama has righted the economy, saved the banking system, repaired our relationships throughout the world, re tooled the Afghanistan fiasco, and solved many other crises and problems. Give the guy a break. Liberals want the President to do their bidding, conservatives feel disenfranchised, and everyone wrongly assumes that the President is gong to solve their individual issues.
Comment posted December 13, 2009 @ 3:01 pm
” Obama is winning”… he has won the war of destroying our country in record time! Largest deficit in history, most lobbiest cronies in history,most deceitful president in history,most partisan pres,. in history, created most gov. controlled, socilaist regime in American history, denounced his country more times than any pres. ever, has the worst Gallup rating than any pres. in history, …just the short “Win” list
Comment posted December 13, 2009 @ 3:12 pm
Wow. You are truly brainwashed by Limbaugh, Beck, et al., aren't you? Obama only recently became President during the worst financial and international crisis in generations. He inherited two wars to boot. You're blaming HIM for these things? You know, he hasn't been in office even a year yet.
You wingnut lunatics are something else… Keep up the insipid hyperbole, though. It'll keep your favorite hypocritical political thugs out of office for a long time to come.
Comment posted December 13, 2009 @ 3:32 pm
The only place where Obama is winning is in reality. He's catching PR heck from right and left along the way, but here's the deal: Economic disaster, inherited from Republican policies, averted; stock market up 20%+; unemployment already trending down, a neat two years faster than Reagan could manage the same trick in easier times; better diplomatic relations with every friendly nation on earth, and fewer outright enemies; TARP managed well enough that it may end up costing little or nothing; sound financial regulation to prevent the return of derivative meltdowns on track; the war against terror finally framed in realistic, legal, productive ways that let us do more harm to our enemies than to ourselves; and a whole host of quieter changes in environmental protection that return us to actually protecting the environment. The only thing the conservatives' beloved Ronnie did this fast is establish the regressive tax policies that remain the main reason why we continue to run massive deficits and continue to lose ground to the higher-tax, high-service economies that have come through the current bad times the best. He took on his main PR disaster, health care, because he knows that substantively it's the right thing to do. Dude has this issue with believing in “reality,” and it costs him in the PR world that Palin works so well; but it's good for the rest of us that he does.
Comment posted December 13, 2009 @ 3:40 pm
Winning? If you work on Wall Street maybe. If you are one of the millions of unemployed, underemployed or barely employed, you might see things in a different light. I had high hopes, but the path he has chosen is the path of failure no matter how low you choose to 'set the bar'. I'll be shocked if he isn't impeached by his own party before his third year is finished.
Comment posted December 13, 2009 @ 3:53 pm
I LOVE how when you disagree… you're automatically brainwashed by Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity… so on.
Well you're all brainwashed by tingle up the leg Matthews, “Cranky” Old man Olbermann and Rachael “MadCow”.
Look, Yeah yeah, Obama “Inherited” a falling economy… well what the schmell did he do to correct the problem?
spend TRILLIONS of dollars on things like giving money to Acorn, studying radioactive rabbit poops.. (yes that's actually in the stimulus bill, look it up.)
and when that didn't work, well lets go and spend a few more billions of dollars on another stimulus that's not going to work.
Under Bush we had less than an 8% unemployment rate. If Obama's first stimulus got passed like… NOW… we wouldn't see 8%. 10% later…… where's that stimulus?
And you are delusional if you think the economy and job market is improving. You have to have an IQ of 1 if you believe the crap coming out of the white house.
“We were at 10.2%, but the job market is improving… we dropped 2% and are not at 10%. Well, we did lose about 11,000 more jobs this past month… but it's getting better.”
What the schmell? Seriously? the job loss rate goes DOWN even though thousands are still LOSING JOBS? How does that work? Oh yeah… because of JOBS SAVED. Because you know… Obama goes from company to company and asks how many people WERE going to be laid off if not for the stimulus package.
And lets not forget all the jobs created. All the temporary, will be ending by the time he's up for re-election jobs. Creating temporary jobs is just like saying, Here's a bandaide, I'll take care of the rest when I'm re-elected.
Lets also look at how he took over GM. Closed Saturn (jobs lost) sent Hummer overseas to China… (jobs lost) That was a great deal wasn't it?
now he wants to take over Healthcare? (despite what the MAJORITY of Americans want… even those without healthcare can see the issues with government run health care.)
He promised to bring troops home… then he sent them all to Afghanistan. While there, the general HE appointed asked for more troops. It was so important, that he didn't want to rush his decision.
So he went to France on date night with his wife, Took her to the theater, went to Copenhagen to vie for the olympics in Chicago… it took him months to even review the request, then more months to “think” about it.
and now that he's committed us to a new war… he decided “here's the date we'll pull out”… wait, aren't we suppose to pull out when we've WON? from what it sounds like, we're not even close to winning. So we're going to pull out win or lose? Wow we sound like a strong nation.
everything Obama has done may be a “win” for him… but it's a big loss for the country.
Comment posted December 13, 2009 @ 3:57 pm
oh and lets talk about the “improving” housing market.
yes houses are selling… but ask ANYONE whose recently sold their house. they are taking a MAJOR loss, just because they need to dump the house.
I took an almost $80,000 hit on my home… my brother pulled his house off the market and my sister lost $30,000 on her home.
So yeah, houses are selling, but not for even CLOSE to what they're worth. People are taking big hits in the pocketbook. Its great for buyers, yes… but nothng is improving for sellers.
Comment posted December 13, 2009 @ 4:09 pm
President Obama is doing a fine job and most of the people that elected him still support him. The President inherited 2 wars, the greatest economic disaster since the Great Depression, a 1 trillion+ dollar deficit, a ruined international image and reputation, Gitmo, and a collapse of the banking system. It was Bushes idea to bail out the banks. Lazy armchair Americans shoot their mouths off and criticize the President without knowing the facts. With the economy in total shambles from Bush and the republicans, the banking system failed simultaneously. It was all due to the house of cards that Bush and the republicans built. If the banks were not “bailed out” the entire world economy would have tanked and millions would have starved to death.After 1 year in office, Obama has righted the economy, saved the banking system, repaired our relationships throughout the world, re tooled the Afghanistan fiasco, and solved many other crises and problems. Give the guy a break. Liberals want the President to do their bidding, conservatives feel disenfranchised, and everyone wrongly assumes that the President is gong to solve their individual issues.
Comment posted July 26, 2010 @ 12:55 pm
I took an almost $80,000 hit on my home… my brother pulled his house off the market and my sister lost $30,000 on her home.
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