Hearing Lays Out Immigration Battle Ahead

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Friday, December 11, 2009 at 6:00 am
Reps. Loretta Sanchez (D-Calif.) and Mark Souder (R-Ind.) (house.gov)

Reps. Loretta Sanchez (D-Calif.) and Mark Souder (R-Ind.) (house.gov)

A House Homeland Security Committee hearing Thursday morning highlighted the sharp divide in Congress over illegal immigration and what should be done about it, presaging the difficult fight ahead when Congress eventually begins to tackle proposals for comprehensive immigration reform.

The number of immigrants in government detention has more than doubled over the last ten years, with more than 360,000 detainees in Immigration and Customs Enforcement custody in the last year. As a result, ICE now operates the largest detention and supervised release system in the country, creating an unprecedented challenge for the agency and for immigrants seeking to challenge their detention. Detainees often face long waits for deportation hearings, and are increasingly transferred to prisons far from where they were apprehended, disrupting their connections with family members and lawyers who can help them.

[Immigration]Thursday’s hearing, ostensibly about how ICE should improve its immigrant detention system, underscored the fundamentally inconsistent positions of lawmakers who either view illegal immigrants as dangerous criminals that need to be locked up and ultimately deported, or as hapless men and women who only broke the law in the hopes of attaining the American dream: a better life for themselves and their families.

“I think the most effective immigration reform is to truly enforce the laws on the books,” said Rep. Mark Souder (R-Ind.), who stands squarely in the former camp. “Detention is an important part of enforcement,” he said, a view repeated by most Republican lawmakers and witnesses. “It is not safe or efficient to release thousands of foreign nationals who are in this country illegally,” he continued. “Aliens in detention facilities are not here on vacation . . . They should not be kept in facilities that are better than we give to U.S. citizens who are arrested and awaiting trial.”

Democrats, meanwhile, were concerned that the U.S. is detaining too many immigrants in unnecessarily restrictive conditions, and hampering their ability to claim a right to remain in the United States. Recent reports from the Transactional Records Access Clearinghouse and Human Rights Watch have concluded exactly that, as did a recent report commissioned by ICE itself.

Committee vice-chair Loretta Sanchez (D-Calif.), presiding over the hearing, said she was “more concerned about the cost of incarcerating people and what type of people we’re incarcerating,” and “if these people have a claim under current law to be in this country that they get through the process in a timely manner in order to put that forward,” she said. “That’s why I called this hearing — not to purchase Hilton hotels,” she quipped, responding to Souder. “They’re not good investments these days anyway.” The Detention and Removal Operations division of ICE had a budget of about $2.6 billion in fiscal year 2009, according to a recent ICE report.

Immigration activists and experts testifying before the committee were equally divided. Dora Schriro, author of the ICE report and former Director of Detention Policy and Planning for ICE, testified that “ICE lacks critical planning and management tools critical to operating a [detention] system of this magnitude.” She repeated many of the findings from her October report, including that immigrant detainees are inappropriately held in local jails with ordinary criminals and often in more restrictive conditions than necessary. And she recommended that ICE develop better ways of assessing the risks they pose and developing appropriate types of detention and monitoring.

Such a plan rings alarm bells for Chris Crane, vice president for Detention and Removal Operations at ICE, and a representative from the union representing ICE employees who work in that division. The union was not consulted on any planned detention reforms, he testified, adding that “our overall impression of the proposed reforms are not positive. … We are quite concerned that these proposed changes could potentially result in heightened risks for some ICE detainees as well as ICE employees and some contract guards.”

ICE has plans to build “low-custody and open-campus facilities,” Crane said, which will, according to new agency rules, “include many criminals, including drug dealers, gang members, sexual predators and anyone involved in a violent crime committed without a weapon,” he said. He called the open-campus environment “unsafe and impractical.” Recent reports find that about 50 percent of ICE detainees are convicted criminals, he said. But Crane said that number is probably higher, because in his experience, many detainees are arrested on criminal charges and then sent to ICE for custody before conviction because local law enforcement “are overwhelmed by the criminal alien problem” and “lack the resources to house and prosecute the arrestees.”

Donald Kerwin, vice president for Programs at the Migration Policy Institute, agreed that illegal immigrants should be housed based on the risk they pose, but denied that many immigrant detainees are dangerous. “Only 11 percent of detainees have committed violent crimes,” he said, adding that the rest should be placed in the least restrictive environment possible.

Brittney Nystrom, Senior Legal Advisor at the National Immigration Forum, agreed, and emphasized the cost to taxpayers. ICE’s “one-size-fits-all approach to detention” which is “replete with barbed wire, prison uniforms, armed guards and shackles” is ultimately “a wasteful use of government resources.” Alternative to detention programs that provide supervision through electronic monitoring and reporting cost about $14 per day, she testified, whereas incarceration costs about $100 per day.

But many Republicans and immigration restrictionists scoff at such proposals. Mark Krikorian, executive director of the immigration restrictionist group Center for Immigration Studies, testified that alternatives to detention are merely “a synonym for ‘catch and release.’ ”

“A majority of criminal aliens who promise to appear for their court dates are simply lying to the immigration authorities,” he said. “We’d be better advised to increase ICE’s bedspace,” although ICE has not requested a budget increase for incarceration, he said.

Krirkorian warned that the problem will only become worse as ICE continues to step up enforcement. ICE has been expanding efforts to encourage local law enforcement to arrest more illegal immigrants. The Secure Communities program requires that local law enforcement fingerprint everyone housed in local jails and send that biometric information to ICE, which can compare it against their databases. The 287(g) program, meanwhile, authorizes local law enforcement to arrest anyone suspected of violating the federal immigration laws. Krikorian on Thursday noted that such programs will lead to a huge increase in the number of illegal immigrants arrested, yet ICE has not sufficiently planned for what to do with them.

Jail space will diminish dramatically, he predicted, and fewer illegal aliens not arrested for criminal behavior will be held. “So the absconder population will resume rapid growth,” he said. Eventually, “criminal aliens will end up having to be released for lack of space” and “those people are going to commit further crimes.” Congress will see “political blowback” from that, he predicted. “And that outrage is going to be deserved.”

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stevo1
Comment posted December 11, 2009 @ 7:23 am

What is the argument here? every single alien “BROKE THE LAW!” Our Government, past & present, Republican & Democrat, have allowed the invasion of 20 to 30 million criminals and uneducated peons which is the largest invasion of any Nation, at any time, by any means & in direct violation of Article IV, Section IV of our Constitution.

This refusal to abide by our Constitution or enforce our Immigration Laws should be classified as Treason of the most foul kind, & as grounds for impeachment & trials for Treason!

Not only have they allowed the invasion, they force American tax payers to pay Billions on Billions of dollars to provide Welfare, Prison cells, Educate the invaders numerous children, and free medical care, at the same time the invading horde break numerous laws and massive document fraud, & are destroying our schools, hospitals, communities, culture and standard of living while Robbing, Raping, Killing & Assaulting American Citizens WAKE UP PEOPLE!


cmcginnis12
Comment posted December 11, 2009 @ 7:33 am

Everyone must be warned before coming to the United States. Even if you have a visa, you are putting yourself at risk of Homeland Security ICE officers. I have a best friend that is from Paris France here on an education visa to finish his degree. He has been here since 2005. His visa is valid until March of 2010, His passport is valid until 2014, and his I-20 is current. He is not illegal. In 2008 He fell in love and married a U.S. citizen that just happens to be addicted to Prescription medications, He knew nothing about this. But he was arrested due to her mistakes. He was placed in detention, scheduled for deportation. He has been in detention center in Pompano Beach Florida for 5 months now. All this because of her mistakes. She should be the one in jail not him. Please everyone coming to America. Think twice. This couple has lost all there savings on lawyers, she lost her job, and they are in the process of losing there home. All this was caused because ICE has the wrong person in jail. They make up any story they want and when they are questioned about it you get nowhere. I have written many letters to Janet Napolitano, Senator Bill Nelson, and even President Obama. But no one will listen to the truth. So please people think twice about coming to America for any reason. Our immigration system is broken ….they all agree, but you put your life at risk when you enter our borders. Even if you follow the rules you may also lose everything as this couple has. No one will listen, no one cares. It costs thousands of our tax dollars to lock these people in jain. and like this guy, he has never even had a traffic ticket. he is not a criminal, or a danger in any way. ICE is just making a job for themselves.


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Estoban
Comment posted December 11, 2009 @ 8:00 am

If our President can spend over $700 billion that has created only a small handful of jobs, why not spend some money for real enforcement of our laws? Make E-Verify mandatory for every employer for present and future hires. This will relatively quickly free up 8 million jobs now held by lawbreaking illegal aliens, who can then be deported. This will provide a large chunk of jobs for the 15 million American workers now looking for any job to feed and shelter their families. This is a win win situation for Americans that are fed up with the invasion and occupation of millions of lawbreaking illegal aliens.


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strangely_enough
Comment posted December 11, 2009 @ 11:36 am

Inflated numbers, racist assertions, and rank fear mongering: in a nutshell, the perfect GOP voter. Awesome.


Ali999
Comment posted December 11, 2009 @ 2:42 pm

ICE is already chasing more than 600,000 illegal aliens who take advantage of their right to due process but who have no intention of honoring the results of that process when it goes against them. Heck, many don't bother to show up for their hearings, and have no real basis for asylum anyway. For them, “due process” is just an opportunity to stay here longer and disappear into the woodwork when it comes time for them to appear before a judge or to actually leave the country with voluntary departure.


cyberwalker
Comment posted December 11, 2009 @ 3:15 pm

“…underscored the fundamentally inconsistent positions of lawmakers who either view illegal immigrants as dangerous criminals that need to be locked up and ultimately deported, or as hapless men and women who only broke the law in the hopes of attaining the American dream: a better life for themselves and their families.”

Many American lawbreakers also break the law in the hopes of attaining the American dream: a better life for themselves and their families.


bot_feeder
Comment posted December 11, 2009 @ 3:20 pm

Yes, stevo1's comments struck me as somewhat inflammatory.

No need for heated rhetoric.

Illegal aliens shouldn't be denigrated, they should just be deported.

“Deportation with dignity” is what I support.


cyberwalker
Comment posted December 11, 2009 @ 4:06 pm

Hey strangely_enough, you accused stevo1 of making racist assertions in his comments. That's an odd accusation considering the fact that stevo1 never brought up the subject of race in his comments. Also, you claimed that the number of illegal aliens that stewvo1 used in his comments was inflated. Can you prove that this number is inflated? Or are you still using that same stale, outdated “12 million” catch phrase number that the media has been using for many years now? Also, you may not realize it, but many Democrats and Independents are also opposed to illegal immigration. Poll after poll shows that approximately 70% of Americans are opposed to illegal immigration. Do you honestly think that all of these Americans who are opposed to illegal immigration are Republicans? If they were, McCain would likely be our president right now.


robinann
Comment posted December 11, 2009 @ 4:14 pm

Repatriate lawbreakers to their home countries! They should stand up and FIGHT for their rights in their homeland NOT enter and live unlawfully on U.S. soil. Enter the U.S. LEGALY – uphold our laws!


citizen12345
Comment posted December 11, 2009 @ 4:31 pm

All illegal aliens should be deported. They ALL have commited “crime” and they ALL are living ilegal lives where they do not belong.
Save our taxdollars and jobs for citizens; deport illegal aliens as fast as possible.


get_involved
Comment posted December 11, 2009 @ 5:29 pm

HELP STOP ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION…….YOU can make a difference! http://www.numbersusa.com/content/


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pocofree
Comment posted December 11, 2009 @ 9:23 pm

Why don't you go back to your home country, unless you are a American Indian you do not belong here either, get out of my country. I would prefer the Mexicans compared to the trash that the white people have become.


pocofree
Comment posted December 11, 2009 @ 9:25 pm

citizen12345 you go with them


pocofree
Comment posted December 11, 2009 @ 9:28 pm

The Mexican population should have more rights to this country than any white person, they are truly part of the North American Continent than any white person. So please look in the mirror and ask yourself who did your ancestors kill to get what you have? Now think it over white people!


pocofree
Comment posted December 11, 2009 @ 9:33 pm

stevo1
where are your ancestors from? How did they get here? Just because the white people say it is OK to come into my country does not make it OK with me! My ancestors were here long before the white people started coming in, who said it was OK for the white people to come? Nobody!!!!! Think about what you say!


pocofree
Comment posted December 11, 2009 @ 9:35 pm

Deport the white people and give the country back to who it really belongs to! The American Indians and the Mexicans.


Seasnake
Comment posted December 12, 2009 @ 12:12 am

We need to condemn the misguided immigration enforcement tactics that are tearing families apart. Tearing husbands from wives and mothers from daughters is “un-American.”

The Bush-era style raids need to stop. We need to stand up for our nation's most basic values of families, fairness, and faith.

We must end the raids and pass a just and comprehensive immigration reform bill that helps us live up to our best values as a nation.

It is more than high time to stop this insanity.
We must condemn all those who join the trumpeting anus of the Republican party.

The hypocrisy of those who blather about illegal immigrants is unlimited. Nearly all immigrants (legal and illegal) have contributed to our economy, our culture and our diversity. Many are the backbone of many of our industries and perhaps the majority of our workers in the agricultural sector.

We buy our food, clothes, and many products many of which have lowered prices due to the very fact that the labour involved is cheap due to the involvement of “illegal immigrants”.

We must also remember that many of these “illegal immigrants” are refugees from cruel regimes and have fled from murder and torture. Others have entered the USA at personal risk to be able to feed their families and themselves.

IS IT AMERICAN TO MOCK, HARASS, AND EXPEL THOSE
WHO WILL BE RETURNED TO THE VERY REGIMES WHICH
WHICH PERSECUTED THEM?

Who decides what is “legal” and on what ground?
We are almost all descendants of “illegal immigrants”, since our ancestors simply invaded the land of native peoples.

It is high time to stop behaving like members of the Gestapo!

Sincerely,

Ian Campbell Cree, MB(Hons.),MS, FRCS(Eng.& C.),FACS, LRCP.


cyberwalker
Comment posted December 12, 2009 @ 4:01 am

Seasnake, your comments are pure ethnocentric La Raza propaganda. One thing that people like your kind can't spin is the fact that illegal aliens are lawbreakers. Also, every illegal alien who is working, or has worked in this country has committed one or more crimes, with most of them being felonies. Among the crimes that illegal aliens commit simply by working here are ID theft, document fraud, Social Security fraud, employment “I-9 Form” fraud, income tax evasion, and conspiracy to violate immigration laws. Many illegal aliens also commit welfare fraud and food stamp fraud.

No amnesty for these illegal alien lawbreaking criminals!


bigclownhunter
Comment posted December 12, 2009 @ 5:38 am

Yeah..well the only problem with that is that is you gave it back to them, where would they run to after they turned this country in to a hell hole like mexico? That and the fact that most of them would die in the war that would ensue..we have 300 million weapons you know:)


trippin
Comment posted December 12, 2009 @ 8:02 am

“We need to condemn the misguided immigration enforcement tactics that are tearing families apart. Tearing husbands from wives and mothers from daughters is “un-American.”"

I agree. SEND THEM ALL BACK HOME.

Sincerely,

Trippin, MSEE, BSEE, and American Taxpayer who plays by the rules and advocates for working CITIZENS of ALL RACES who have to take a shower after coming home from work before they hug their children.

American jobs for Americans. End of discussion.


bobinlasvegas
Comment posted December 12, 2009 @ 11:39 am

Seasnake
“We need to condemn the misguided immigration enforcement tactics that are tearing families apart. Tearing husbands from wives and mothers from daughters is un-American”
A better statement would be: We need to condemn the misguided immigration enforcement tactics that are tearing American families apart. Tearing American husbands from American wives and mothers from there American daughters is not only un-American it is un-acceptable.

Let’s take a look at just one of the many atrocities committed by Mexican and other foreign nationals illegally in this country.

Leticia Flores is an illegal living in Florida (first law she broke) that permanently tore an American family apart. This illegal was driving a Honda SUV without a license (second law she broke) speeding (third law she broke) on an American street where she didn’t belong, pursuing “a better life” she is not entitled to, at the expense of 10 year old Darness Brown and her older sister and the rest of her family. This illegal struck the two American girls who were riding scooters, killing (the ultimate law she broke) Darness and seriously injuring her older sister. After the so called accident, Flores left the scene with no regard of the welfare of the two American girls she left laying in the street to die. Flores statement “I didn’t call police because people were helping the girls”, translation the girls were just American and it’s no concern to me if they live or die.

The truth is, if this illegal Leticia Flores was not here, where she doesn’t belong, Darness Brown would be living her “American Dream”, and she would be alive today and not permanently “separated from her American family”. Darness won’t be waking up this Christmas morning to find presents under the tree, she won’t be able to celebrate with her family; Darness will be in the ground under a headstone. For her family, this Christmas will be a Christmas not of joy but of sorrow and tears. This illegal Leticia Flores took this little girl’s life but she is not the only one responsible. This Dysfunctional American Government and people like you Dysfunctional American Citizens are just as responsible. How does it feel to know you helped kill this American Child?


cyberwalker
Comment posted December 12, 2009 @ 3:04 pm

You're not very smart, are you? American citizens who currently live in the United States are already in their home country.


Seasnake
Comment posted December 12, 2009 @ 8:12 pm

Cyberwalker,

Your elaborate comments are pure fantasy and you will not be able to produce any valid or credible evidence to back them up!

Of course there are, and will always be, some criminals who practice the littany of crimes which you have listed, among immigrants (“legal” and “illegal”) as well as non immigrants.

This includes also Bankers, Insurers, Politicians, lawyers and many others.

My comments were not based on statements by La Raza or any other organization, but if you want to find false statements used as propaganda, you do not have far to look:

They are numerous from politicians from both sides of the aisle, with a majority emanating from the Republican Party propaganda machine in their desperate bid to win the next election.
The tragedy is that these propaganda lies are hurting innocent people and fostering artificial hatred against them, resulting in brutal attacks and even murder. Not only do the innocent suffer from this, but also those who commit these brutal attacks, when they have to face the penalties for such attacks. The other disastrous consequence is that a poisonous atmosphere of fear and mistrust is created

which escalates into mass hysteria and religious, racial or ethnic conflict.

This is about as far as it gets from the teachings of Jesus and other religious leaders.

Perhaps it would be wiser to listen to their centuries old teachings which foster happiness, brotherhood and peace!


ugg bailey button
Comment posted December 12, 2009 @ 9:35 pm

A better statement would be: We need to condemn the misguided immigration enforcement tactics that are tearing American families apart. Tearing American husbands from American wives and mothers from there American daughters is not only un-American it is un-acceptable.


pocofree
Comment posted December 12, 2009 @ 11:18 pm

Why would they, maybe they would respect the land, and the animals that live on it. 300 million weapons of mass destruction you mean.


pocofree
Comment posted December 12, 2009 @ 11:28 pm

Hey moron! How you doing? Living the American Dream? Well what would you do if there were not any jobs here and there were plenty in say Mexico? I bet you would be one of the first to run and hide to get a job illegally in Mexico, wouldn't you? Call a cat a cat from what I see. Biotch get out of my country and go back to were your ancestors came from. Liberal Europe I bet, it takes a thief to raise a thief.


cyberwalker
Comment posted December 13, 2009 @ 4:37 am

Hey, little boy pocofree. Mexico has been a corrupt, lawless, dysfunctional, failure of a country throughout its history. There is no way that Mexico will ever be better than the United States in any way. I wouldn't set foot in a backward country such as Mexico for any reason. I am an American, so I am already in my home country. Why don't you and all of your illegal alien lawbreaker buddies go back to your rotten country of Mexico where you belong.


cyberwalker
Comment posted December 13, 2009 @ 4:46 am

Seasnake said:
“Your elaborate comments are pure fantasy and you will not be able to produce any valid or credible evidence to back them up!”

It is impossible for an illegal alien to work in the United States without violating at least one of the following laws: ID theft, document fraud, Social Security fraud, employment “I-9 Form” fraud, and conspiracy to violate immigration laws

If you disagree with me, then explain how an illegal alien can get a job here without violating one of the laws that I listed.


cyberwalker
Comment posted December 13, 2009 @ 4:50 am

Sorry pocofree, but American citizens can't be deported from the United States because they are already in their home country.


cyberwalker
Comment posted December 13, 2009 @ 4:53 am

Hey pocofree, you should quit living in the distant past and join the rest of us here in the 21st century.


DelawareBob
Comment posted December 13, 2009 @ 12:52 pm

Illegal immigration has caused more problems than anyone could have ever imagined. As long as illegal aliens are in this Country, the problems will NEVER end. Oh, let's give them amnesty! That will end the problems! Yea, think about that… go ahead give amnesty to 20 million illegal aliens and I guarantee that 3 years from now we will have another 5 million illegal aliens demonstrating on our soil for amnesty. OH, well, we will just have to deport them. OK, then deport the 20 million now. And think about this also, these IDIOTS who want amnesty for these 20 million illegal aliens want to bring in their families, also. Illegal aliens are destroying this Country, and you must be blind not to see this. For God's sake, ENFORCE THE LAW and get these illegal aliens back to their own Country where they belong.


DelawareBob
Comment posted December 13, 2009 @ 12:56 pm

They can always take their wife and children with them. There is no law against that. I do not like to see families split apart either, but families were split when the illegal aliens entered this Country illegally. Do you see a problem with that? I think they should go back with their families. That's where the belong.


pocofree
Comment posted December 13, 2009 @ 6:54 pm

Why don't you come and play with my little boy muzer fuzer, get the fux out or my country


citizen12345
Comment posted December 15, 2009 @ 1:51 pm

Uneducated folks like you are the very reason we need stricker immigration laws. We don't need to import more like you. “Get 'em' Gone”!


citizen12345
Comment posted December 15, 2009 @ 1:55 pm

Your racism is showing. You’re a true racist. You’re the very epitome of racism and anti-American illegal alien sentiment we do not want or need.

You do not have anyone’s respect and never will. You’re illegal.


triathlon
Comment posted December 21, 2009 @ 5:28 pm

TRADE AND MIGRATION

[Dream to Nightmare]

On the trade and migration front, the political and domestic realities are unforgiving, and being a doubled edged sword positive if monitored and negative if unmanaged. As a Ponder, this is were the question always comes in as to if the Dreamers, Thinkers, and Workers of the [21st] Twenty-first century as opposed to what has been the cause of more conflicts since the dawn of mankind and indeed bring changing to the political cost on the trade and migration fronts? The answer would in this case be careful for what you ask for, you’re just liable to get it, as in the case of three wishes, you may think you wished for one thing but it was up for interpretation and this dream will turn out to be your worse nightmare.

[Trade Nightmare]

Trade can hurt you or help you, The Russian Federation is making good progress in its [Gas and Oil Pipeline] deals, gaining finances necessary and by [2020] will have created a military for the [22nd] Twenty-second century, but it also made a bad trade deal with Finland, over its lumber trade, [IKEA] furniture is manufactured with Russian Wood, the problem is the failure on the part of Russian to oversee their re-foresting, there was none, so Finland just mowed down the forest of Russia without replanting trees, with a cost to the entire global community, but [IKEA] is making a very good profit selling its product. Trade has to be profitable to both and not at the expense of one, or in the case of Russian Lumber the Global Community.

[Migration Nightmare]

Now, the migration of one people from one area into another sound to liberals to be a right, which in a prefect world may in fact be correct, but, we are not living in a perfect world and the real chance of that happening while the American-Israeli Empire continues it’s Wars of Economic Stimulus, of Resources and Materials which has been, is and will always be the law of might makes right of all past and future, Empire, is not going to happen ever. The migration of a species or group of people must be regulated and it must be for the good of both those doing the migration and those into which area they wish to migrate. In South America they have large ant migrations; they bring nothing to the table but the ants March thru an area to take back to their own area, at the cost of everything that stands in their way. If a group of peoples dumb down the society bring nothing go value to it or refuse to become a part of the society as a whole, they serve no good to the society into which they are brought. There is just so much anyone can do for anyone else in [HAND OUTS] before there is nothing left to hand out and the fact is most [CARE GIVERS] then to die do to over extension of giving, causing both provider and giver to have early deaths and so it is with societies, it is one thing to give a [HAND UP] a helping hand, it is another to be come their crutch, a host as to a leach, to many leaches bleed a host to death.

[THE BOTTOM LINE]

Trade and Demographics do matter in the real world, and [IF] Climate Change is cause by mankind it does matter but [IF] it is a matter of geological cyclical occurrence than mankind can only deal with it. Demographics do matter, is the Empire by [2020] going to have a predominately African Culture and the answer is yes, are there any African cultures within the top economic nations [G-20] and up no, is the Dollar in decline against other world currencies yes, is the infrastructure of the Empire in ruin yes, is the Empire in decline yes, the wheel of fate has turned, now the Empire can only simply deal with it.

HERCULE TRIATHLON SAVINIEN


MaryJay
Comment posted December 24, 2009 @ 3:20 am

And how many people did your ancestors kill when they took thousands of slaves just to rip their hearts out and offer them up as human sacrifices to their bloodthirsty gods? More than 80,000 killed in just one day, Aztec. You have little room to criticize any white person for anything our ancestors did considering the bloodthirsty cannibals you are descended from.

At least we built a modern First World nation that has provided a better life for hundreds of millions of people over more than 2 centuries, while Mexico is still a Third World toilet that nobody wants to live in, and always will be. If you want to live somewhere nice, go home to your Third World hellhole and try very hard to make it as good as what the US used to be before people like you came and destroyed it.


MaryJay
Comment posted December 24, 2009 @ 3:22 am

You're here for the welfare and foodstamps the white people invented — just admit it poco. No welfare and foodstamps in Jalisco.


pocofree
Comment posted December 25, 2009 @ 1:50 pm

To bad it was not one of your ancestors who were part of that 80,000 that day. Why don't you go find some buffalo to go kill? O, that's right the white people almost destroyed all of them in their ruining of this as you say “Great Country”. It was a great country till people like you elected an idiot for President (Obama). My ancestors, by the way, are the ones that were here when people like you came and said “we have a better way”, now go live on this piece of land and make it work. Then came and took the land back because our people were able to make it work. Now that sounds like something someone like you would do doesn't it? Ask yourself again why you started this with me. My ancestors are part of the makeup of this country, and I feel that the Mexican ancestors were wronged in how their country treats them as well. People like you need to think about what your ancestors put people through to accomplish what you have, what did you do to the blacks, what did you do to the Indians, what did you do to the Mexicans? I will tell you what you did to them. You took, and took, and took, then when you could take no more you took them and placed them at the bottom of everything. When they start to pick themselves up you find a new way to push them back down.


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They can always take their wife and children with them. There is no law against that. I do not like to see families split apart either, but families were split when the illegal aliens entered this Country illegally. Do you see a problem with that? I think they should go back with their families. That's where the belong.


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They can always take their wife and children with them. There is no law against that. I do not like to see families split apart either, but families were split when the illegal aliens entered this Country illegally. Do you see a problem with that? I think they should go back with their families. That's where the belong.


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Hey moron! How you doing? Living the American Dream? Well what would you do if there were not any jobs here and there were plenty in say Mexico? I bet you would be one of the first to run and hide to get a job illegally in Mexico, wouldn't you? Call a cat a cat from what I see. Biotch get out of my country and go back to were your ancestors came from. Liberal Europe I bet, it takes a thief to raise a thief. http://www.gucci1923.com/gucci-briefcase-201480…


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The Mexican population should have more rights to this country than any white person, they are truly part of the North American Continent than any white person. So please look in the mirror and ask yourself who did your ancestors kill to get what you have? Now think it over white people!


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Hey strangely_enough, you accused stevo1 of making racist assertions in his comments. That's an odd accusation considering the fact that stevo1 never brought up the subject of race in his comments. Also, you claimed that the number of illegal aliens that stewvo1 used in his comments was inflated. Can you prove that this number is inflated? Or are you still using that same stale, outdated “12 million” catch phrase number that the media has been using for many years now? Also, you may not realize it, but many Democrats and Independents are also opposed to illegal immigration. Poll after poll shows that approximately 70% of Americans are opposed to illegal immigration. Do you honestly think that all of these Americans who are opposed to illegal immigration are Republicans? If they were, McCain would likely be our president right now.


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