On the Baffling Push to Prohibit Illegal Immigrants From Buying Insurance
Tuesday, December 08, 2009 at 2:58 pm
As we’ve written here many times, it’s tough to find any justification — outside of political pandering — for the decision by Senate Democrats to prohibit illegal immigrants from buying health coverage on the insurance exchanges proposed under their health reform bill. Sure, it makes those lawmakers appear tough on illegal immigrants. But no one on either side of the aisle has been able to demonstrate how allowing those folks to buy insurance from private companies at full price would threaten the well-being of the nation. In fact, such a prohibition would have the likely consequence of forcing illegal immigrants into emergency rooms rather than encouraging them to get preventive care — an expensive trend for taxpayers, and one that’s been among the chief complaints of those condemning the societal “burdens” posed by illegal immigrants.
Writing in today’s New York Times, Roger Mahony, the cardinal archbishop of Los Angeles, points out several other reasons why the Senate bill makes little sense as it pertains to illegal immigrants.
When undocumented immigrants are intentionally excluded from health care coverage, they are forced to go to the only place where they will be accepted for care: trauma centers and emergency rooms — the most expensive health care delivery systems in the country. What a foolish waste of money, particularly in a time of economic stress for everyone.
Using their own money, undocumented immigrants could receive basic health services through less expensive community clinics and doctors’ offices. Studies have shown that immigrants are generally younger and healthier than citizens, and use health care facilities and resources less frequently. Giving them access to less costly preventive care would help keep them that way. And by paying into the system, immigrants would make health care less pricey for all by spreading the risks and costs among a larger pool of participants.
Not that the Senate language is set in stone. Indeed, the House health care bill, while banning illegal immigrants from gaining subsidies on the exchange, has no such prohibition on their buying insurance at full cost with their own money.
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Comment posted December 8, 2009 @ 4:38 pm
Anything that help foreigners in this country illegally intergrate into our society only encourages more illegal immigration.
All illegal aliens must be barred from participating in any reformed health care system.
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Comment posted December 8, 2009 @ 5:49 pm
Why would lawbreaking illegal immigrants pay for health insurance if it WAS offered? They get medical care now for free by stiffing the medical providers on their bills. Who, in their right mind, would pay for what they can get free?
Comment posted December 8, 2009 @ 6:10 pm
Next year Americans had better be on their guard against fraudulent voter registrations and the possibility of illegal immigrants voting in the 2010 Senate elections. Sen.Harry Reid (D-NV) comes up for re-election and if you didn't know already, the great state of Nevada is overwhelmed by foreign nationals of the illegal kind. Be aware that under current voting law, a–UTILITY BILL– is officially identified as a legal document as identification in Nevada. In states that are heavily involved with illegal immigrants and the product of welfare fraud, Nevada and California specifically should be under the eye of the election authorities. As of now only contractors and subs are required to use E-Verify, which is very loosely audited. E-Verify must be enacted permanently as its success rate is progressively moving forward. E-Verify could be introduced to identify drivers license applicants, car registration, health care and even voter registrations. Then organizations that facilitate in suspicious activities would have a major obstacle to contend with, including fraudulent documentation. The majority of illegal immigrants in this country will–NOT–buy health care insurance, when they can receive treatment for free? Just go to any large county hospital. We must sever all funding from any form of welfare, so their is no more attraction for the destitute and out who keep appearing here. The Liberal progressive–MARXISTS–have already left Obama's health care package full of loopholes–so it is an ongoing battle for stooping this headlong rush into a third world morass?
During this ACORN controversy these two Western states have very large apportionment's of political illegal immigrant sympathizers and–MUST–be removed from their career seats. ACORN and its big brother SEIU. ACORN and SEIU are the lead organizations behind Health Care and Comprehensive Immigration Reform known in truth as AMNESTY, which is the principle entities aggressively shoving for the passage of these very serious issues. ACORN is better known for hiring people with questionable backgrounds, to be engaged in fraudulent voting registrations. Sen.Harry Reid, Speaker Pelosi can be attributed to the near destruction of E-Verify, the federal verification program that a growing number of nationwide employers are beginning to use. As a pro-illegal immigrant incumbent he must be ejected from his Senatorial seat, because he is directly involved in the 2010 Comprehensive Immigration Reform bill.These are the worst of the worst with a grading of ( F ) – as according to NUMBERSUSA.
They have been adamant conspirators against any immigration enforcement and readily agreeable with another BLANKET AMNESTY. WE NEED TO MAKE EXAMPLES OF THEM AND THROW THE IDIOTS OUT OF OFFICE NEXT YEAR? These individuals are just part of the political conspirators who don't mind illegal aliens settling in our nation and stealing AMERICAN JOBS.
Bennet, Michael F. – (D – CO) ,Bennett, Robert F. – (R – UT),Dodd, Christopher J. – (D – CT),Feingold, Russell D. – (D – WI),Gillibrand, Kirsten E. – (D – NY),Inouye, Daniel K. – (D – HI),Leahy, Patrick J. – (D – VT),Lincoln, Blanche L. – (D – AR), Mikulski, Barbara A. – (D – MD), Murray, Patty – (D – WA), Reid, Harry – (D – NV), Schumer, Charles E. – (D – NY), (R – AL),Wyden, Ron – (D – OR), Michael Capuano – (D-MA)
Statement from Gov. Jim Gibbons “Our voting system is very simply the greatest in the world and is the basis of what makes this country great. The allegation that an organization that’s main purpose is to register new voters was doing so fraudulently is very troubling. I believe that requiring a photo ID to vote is a very reasonable protection for our voting system and should be enacted as law by the 2009 Legislature.”
We should endeavor to recruit high echelon tradesman and intelligencer who have grand offerings to America in sort after skills, but not people who are desperate to infiltrate the welfare entitlements and become a public burden. There are estimates of over 8 million foreign nationals in the job force, that would be swallowed up expeditiously by those here legally and citizens.
Those who believe in America’s survival, without OVERPOPULATION as stated by the US Census bureau better read facts at NUMBERSUSA not the lies spawned by open border entities. Those who want details of corruption in WASHINGTON and state government go to JUDICIAL WATCH. Overpopulation, traffic chaos, infrastructure erosion should go to CAPSWEB. Other sites of interest on Immigration enforcement is ALIPAC and AMERICAN PATROL. We the people have the ultimate power to throw out anti-sovereignty incumbent politicians. Call and command these do-nothings to–STOP–this travesty at 202-224-3121.
Comment posted December 8, 2009 @ 8:38 pm
The only way to stop illegal aliens from getting any kind of healthcare is to ENFORCE the law and get them out of this Country! What is so hard about this? Illegal aliens are destroying this Country, and one has to be near blind not to see this.
Illegal aliens have made America the dumping ground for all their illegal alien children, then we have to school them and give them free medical care.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSe3C5vMafM&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_ZnX9JRo5M&NR=1
I for one, am sick and tired of these illegal aliens snubbing their nose at our immigration laws and the many other laws of this Country. If our Federal Government can not ENFORCE our immigration laws, and get these illegal aliens out of this Country, then let the States do it! One way or another, an end has to come to this illegal immigration, and not with AMNESTY! Amnesty will only encourage more illegal aliens to invade our Country and reward those who broke our laws and raped the American taxpayer in many ways…depressing our wages, taking our jobs, overwhelming our schools with their ILLEGAL ALIEN children, driving without a license or car insurance, all the crime from stolen identities to rape, drugs and everything else.
It's time for ZERO TOLERENCE with these illegal aliens. It's time for them get out of this Country and back in their own Country where they belong. When we get rid of the illegal aliens, we will get rid of all the problems that go with them. THAT IS A FACT!
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Comment posted December 9, 2009 @ 7:29 am
They just go to the emergency room! Free! What is the argument here? every single alien “BROKE THE LAW!” Our Government, past & present, Republican & Democrat, have allowed the invasion of 20 to 30 million criminals and uneducated peons which is the largest invasion of any Nation, at any time, by any means & in direct violation of Article IV, Section IV of our Constitution.
This refusal to abide by our Constitution or enforce our Immigration Laws should be classified as Treason of the most foul kind, & as grounds for impeachment & trials for Treason!
Not only have they allowed the invasion, they force American tax payers to pay Billions on Billions of dollars to provide Welfare, Prison cells, Educate the invaders numerous children, and free medical care, at the same time the invading horde break numerous laws and massive document fraud, & are destroying our schools, hospitals, communities, culture and standard of living while Robbing, Raping, Killing & Assaulting American Citizens WAKE UP PEOPLE!
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Comment posted December 9, 2009 @ 5:26 pm
This article suggests that Roger Cardinal Mahoney of Los Angeles favors the inclusion of abortion coverage in the Obama health care bill? When the article declares that illegal immigrants should be allowed to get preventive medicine rather than waiting for a time when they need emergency (or birth delivery) services, that is an implication that illegals should be getting abortions rather than births and that we, the taxpayers, should be paying for the destruction of immigrants human babies. Is that what you really mean to say in this article?
Comment posted December 9, 2009 @ 5:33 pm
Illegals should not be allowed to get free healthcare at the ER either. They make that their own personal dr.'s office. I would say they can only get care for a “true” emergency, released when stable to get their own after care, on their own dime. And a call should be made to ICE for any illegal using the ER. They are criminals who do not deserve the perks of an actual citizen. They can always apply the right way and wait their turn like so many others. I don't have a problem with them buying their own insurance but absolutely no help from the gov't. The politicians will pay a price next year for pandering to the illegal advocates and not enforcing our immigration laws. I will not be voting any ANY incumbant next year, time to get these losers gone who do not represent Americans but will give away the farm to illegals. Sickening !!
Comment posted December 9, 2009 @ 5:44 pm
I would like to pose this question to any Senator worth their salt (assuming the senator is not a attorney). Why is TORT REFORM not a major component of this bill? Studies performed by http://www.BenefitsManager.net and http://www.DentalInsuranceUtah.net that liability insurance costs are approaching nearly one third of the operating expenses for specialty care physicians, units and facilities. Aside from medical provider costs, insurance carriers such as Humana Health Plans state that their costs of medical liability and defensive medicine accounts for nearly 10 cents out of every premium dollar collected (verified). Compare that to Humana’s reported pharmaceutical claims of 15 cents out of every premium dollar collected. Or better yet, 21 cents out of every premium dollar collected is paid back to physicians for physician treatments. Without TORT REFORM, medical provider costs will never drop.
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Comment posted December 11, 2009 @ 4:40 pm
Ultimately, this is about making one's country less attractive to illegals. The only ones who benefit from illegal immigration are the financial, construction and real estate sectors, who need a constant level of population growth to justify housing and associated infrastructure (roads, schools) construction. Mass immigration is the single, preventable cause of urban sprawl, habitat and farmland loss, and overstressing of freshwater supplies. Anything that makes the U.S., Canada, Britain and Australia LESS attractive to illegal immigration is a good thing.
Comment posted December 12, 2009 @ 2:10 pm
I read that in China any business that employes
a foreigner is responsible for all of their medical
expenses. Thats how it should be in the U.S.
Health care reform laws should make it a requirement
that employers of foreigners pay all of their medical
expenses.
Comment posted December 20, 2009 @ 5:26 pm
Illegal imigrants have infiltrated numerous jobs in the U.S. Unbelievably, U.S. eemployers are placing employment ads requiring bilingual spanish speaking applicants. This shuts the door to many born and bred Americans. This is discrimination at it's best. How can job growth be an advantage to Americans when we can not get through the front door due to speaking our own language.”only”… What a crock.. Illegals should be made to go home and the only way this can happen is if they are forced out. No more free medical, food stamps, housing and or economic relief..They do not need the abortion issues being discussed now because they continue having “all” their children and we continue taking care of them.. Americans are sick of paying yet taking a back seat to border breakers…
Comment posted December 22, 2009 @ 1:26 pm
It is outrageous and inhuman to force illegal immigrants to go back to their native country -Canada- to get government-run health care. Let them buy insurance in Canadian dollars at a 1 US :.5 Cd exchange rate; we were not only be removing them from ER, but we will be increasing our reserves with a stronger currency…
Comment posted December 22, 2009 @ 6:26 pm
It is outrageous and inhuman to force illegal immigrants to go back to their native country -Canada- to get government-run health care. Let them buy insurance in Canadian dollars at a 1 US :.5 Cd exchange rate; we were not only be removing them from ER, but we will be increasing our reserves with a stronger currency…
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Comment posted April 5, 2010 @ 4:59 pm
Because most illegal immigrants are relatively young and healthy, they generally don't need as much health care treatment as U.S. citizens, studies show. But while they account for less than 2% of national medical spending, their growing presence is a problem in places such as eastern North Carolina, one of the nation's poorest areas.
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