Palin Walks It Back, But the Fans Won’t Have It

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Friday, December 04, 2009 at 9:36 am

Sarah Palin tries to put the toothpaste back in the tube following her “birther” comments yesterday. The full post today on her Facebook page:

Voters have every right to ask candidates for information if they so choose. I’ve pointed out that it was seemingly fair game during the 2008 election for many on the left to badger my doctor and lawyer for proof that Trig is in fact my child. Conspiracy-minded reporters and voters had a right to ask… which they have repeatedly. But at no point – not during the campaign, and not during recent interviews – have I asked the president to produce his birth certificate or suggested that he was not born in the United States.

A glance at the comments suggests that many Palin fans didn’t want her to back down.

Gene Bland:

The question of his birth certificate must be resolved now, otherwise he is a fraud. Those he associates with are tax cheats, and criminals. His actions violate the principles he professes to believe in.

Bill Stapleton:

What passport did he use when he was traveling between New York, Jakarta, and Karachi in 1981? There are only three possiblilities a U.S. passport, a British passport or an Indonesia passport. Pakastan was on the U.S. State Department’s “no travel list” so he couldn’t have travelled with a U.S.passport. So, what passport did he travel with? The answere to this question will clear all this up.

Ian Gratton:

I tell ya, if it turns out that he doesn’t have a birth certificate, I would not be surprised one bit. This guy is a bad dude and just as he has said several times now, he wants to “fundamentally change” America.

Dave Happe:

This one is pretty simple. If a birth certificate existed, they would have produced it already. How can they show something they don’t have? Even a visit by Obama to Hawaii, complete with some shaved ice photo ops and an off camera visit to the hospital — couldn’t get one done after the fact. Doesn’t exist. Every single natural born citizen in America – excluding our president – could produce a birth certificate.

Wayne Winchell:

I wonder then, why he’s spent so much money hiding his birth certificate from the public if there’s nothing compromising in it?

Tom Burley:

I’m not a conspiracy junky but surely as a general rule ANY presidential candidate should be required to provide proof of birth as a US citizen? I had to provide my birth certificate to become a legal permanent resident and apply for US citizenship and to get a passport and yet an incoming president is not required to? I don’t need to see it myself but I would like to be assured that the Chief Justice who swears in a President has verified candidate eligability.

Tracy Jayne Keckler

Why is not asking for his birth certificate a bad thing? I’ll grab a anything to get this creep out of office!

Larry Diurba:

You See —- I think you should have asked him to produce his birth certificate, health records and college records.

No Birth Certificate – Shouldn’t be President (Constitution)
No Health Records – Could still be on drugs (put that finger on the launch button)
No College Records – Might show where the money for his college came from, and what citizenship was declaired.

Jim Tischler:

The simple way to shut up all the birthers is to show them the original birth certificate. So why doesn’t he? The inability to put this claim to rest only fuels the fire that he wasn’t really born in HI. You almost have to believe he’s hiding SOMETHING by faililng to comply with a simple request every other candidate has complied with.

This is the problem with dipping a toe into the fever swamp.

Another point I’d make: While Palin’s whining and martyr complex about the attacks on her son — which don’t seem to have come from anyone more powerful than blogger Andrew Sullivan — there’s an obvious difference between those attacks and a sustained, yearlong fringe campaign that has produced dozens of junk lawsuits from lawyers who encourage members of the military to disobey their commander-in-chief.

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Antibirther
Comment posted December 4, 2009 @ 10:01 am

Well, obviously Sarah has to backtrack, because “they” don't wanter her to talk about this. . . {/nutspeak}


Pete
Comment posted December 4, 2009 @ 10:12 am

Why the obsession with his college records, or more specifically, who paid his tuition? Can you name any other job in the world that requires you to come up with your financial records of how you paid for school?

Oh, BTW, birthers. He did produce his birth records. Again, you choose not to believe it.


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Matt Dana
Comment posted December 4, 2009 @ 10:23 am

Young Turks sum up my frustration pretty well: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bB1opCUt4zk&feat…


bogusinfo
Comment posted December 4, 2009 @ 10:42 am

Dave,

Sarah Palin did not produce her birth certificate, college records or her medical records–only a two page summary from her MD. And, I don't recall Trig's birth certificate being released publicly?

Also, I don't recall any other presidential candidate producing their birth certificate. McCain did not release his birth certificate publicly–the one's on the internet are from the plaintiff in the lawsuit as I recall.


bearclaw
Comment posted December 4, 2009 @ 12:01 pm

Sarah Palin's college records? That would take a lot of work to assemble! Was it four or five colleges she attended to get her Bachelor of Arts in Youbetchalism? Also.


24AheadDotCom
Comment posted December 4, 2009 @ 12:15 pm

Weigel's idea of what is and isn't a “fever swamp” can't be trusted because Dave Weigel has repeatedly lied and misled about this issue.


susiefoo
Comment posted December 4, 2009 @ 12:18 pm

Let me get his straight:

Being a birther is “rightful” and “fair,” but Palin herself hasn't made an issue of this “rightful” and “fair” matter?

Forgive me if I look askance.


strangely_enough
Comment posted December 4, 2009 @ 12:26 pm

Birtherism in a nutshell. Every single nonsensical assertion and argument in one neat little cheat sheet.


mantis
Comment posted December 4, 2009 @ 1:09 pm

Please click on my batshit crazy birthtard site! I point out all the lies* of everyone in the world!!!

* “Lies” in this context means facts I am uncomfortable with, or taking people's words at face value rather than concocting a ludicrous double hidden meaning, as I like to do.


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katahdin
Comment posted December 4, 2009 @ 2:25 pm

She actually majored in communications. It's the “I want to be on TV major.”


Neo
Comment posted December 4, 2009 @ 2:50 pm

Can somebody explain again why seeing Obama's birth certificate (not the COLB) is not be be mentioned in polite company. National security I suppose.


bearclaw
Comment posted December 4, 2009 @ 3:00 pm

Of course. That explains her incredibly successful TV interview with Katie Couric.


mantis
Comment posted December 4, 2009 @ 3:02 pm

The COLB is his birth certificate. That's what the State of Hawaii issues to people seeking birth certificates.

Dumbass birthtard.


bearclaw
Comment posted December 4, 2009 @ 3:10 pm

Red pill?
Blue pill?
Nah, stupid pill!

If you think making one's “long form” birth certificate, college records, medical records, or penis size public should be a requirement of running for the Presidency, you are free not to vote for candidates who fail to satisfy your longing. That's called “democracy.” But I guess you think you live in the Matrix.


Pete
Comment posted December 4, 2009 @ 3:47 pm

1. What Hawaii has provided has met the legal threshhold to establish citizenship.
2. The birther crowd wouldn't accept the long-form BC anyway, and would then come up with some new threshhold for Obama to meet.
3. An example of #2 is the subset of birtherism that says that even if Obama was born in Hawaii, he still isn't eligible to serve as President (despite over a hundred years of court precedent that says to the contrary)

In a nutshell, the endgame of this so called “birther movement” is to have a legally elected President removed from office. All the goalpost moving demonstrates pretty clearly that the Birthers want the facts arranged to meet their predetermined or desired outcome.

I give it about a year before a prominent conservative gives up the passive-agressive tact and simply calls Obama the N-bomb as a way of jazzing up the base.


lannyp
Comment posted December 4, 2009 @ 4:12 pm

I wonder if any birthers have sought out their birth certificates lately. It depends on the state, of course, but I was able to get my long form from Pa. some years ago, but now there are weird hoops to jump through. You need to specify what it'll be used for, and without knowing exactly what you'll get (from I think five possibilities), you'll get the one they determine you need, and there's no clear way around it. Having had this direct experience, it makes me extra crazy to hear these kooks.

I told this to one I know, and he was suitably humbled and informed and shut up about the dang long form . . .


majii
Comment posted December 5, 2009 @ 1:56 pm

Prove your assertion (s.) The burden of proof is on the accuser.


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[...] But some of Palin’s Facebook fans reacted negatively, suggesting that she is turning her back on a crucial means of removing Obama from office. “Why is . . . asking for his birth certificate a bad thing? I’ll grab at anything to get this creep out of office!” one wrote. Another wondered “why he’s spent so much money hiding his birth certificate from the public if there’s nothing compromising in it?” (The Washington Independent compiles the highlights here.) [...]


xcott
Comment posted December 6, 2009 @ 11:46 am

It's not a matter of national security, but simple logic. The “COLB” is the birth certificate. If you ask to see the birth certificate but not the “COLB,” you're basically asking to see a square with 3 corners.

It's like a cop looking at your drivers license and then demanding to see your REAL license, e.g. some unspecified form filed with the DMV when you took your first drivers test at 16. Why can't you just dig that up? Because it's pointless to do so: the license you have in hand IS your real drivers license.

This whole conspiracy argument that the COLB isn't authentic is stupid, especially since the state of Hawaii has repeatedly assured everyone that it is the real thing.


katahdin
Comment posted December 11, 2009 @ 11:40 pm

You might be a birther if…
“The Jerry Springer Show” has you on speed-dial.
You proudly atttended your mother's GED graduation.
Your bathroom doubles as your mailbox.


gchavez
Comment posted December 16, 2009 @ 7:06 pm

Is that why B.O. executed his first act as President, literally within 5 minutes of taking office, he signed executive order #13489 that sealed his own records, so much for being transparent.


George Copeland
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 1:17 am

9/11 conspiricists on the left are just as bad as birthers on the right. I note that nobody ever tries to hold the left accountable for those psycopaths.


chrisjay
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 2:49 pm

tell us which politicians on the left endorse 9/11 conspiracy theories?


htrixmom
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 2:55 pm

If the Commander-in-Chief wanted to stop frivilous lawsuits and make sure the military follows his commands then he could very easily produce the long form birth certificate. Why not?


htrixmom
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 3:01 pm

you are pathetic if you think the President of the United States can't get a long form birth certificate. You really think this is a good explaination for why he hasn't released it. What about just collage records George Bush released his.


lannyp
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 3:39 pm

Do you really mean Bush released his collage records? Or college records? No need to be so hostile, though.

“you are pathetic if you think the President of the United States can't
get a long form birth certificate. You really think this is a good
explaination for why he hasn't released it. What about just collage
records George Bush released his.”

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katahdin
Comment posted December 19, 2009 @ 10:44 pm

The military is happy to follow the orders of their commander in chief. Only crazy birthers think otherwise.


katahdin
Comment posted December 19, 2009 @ 10:49 pm

Because of his complete inability to utter a coherent sentence, George Bush found it necessary to try to prove that he wasn't an idiot by releasing college records– from before he spent 20 years pickling his brain with alcohol.
Bill Clinton and Barack Obama never released their records. They didn't have to.


RedGraham
Comment posted December 21, 2009 @ 3:16 am

Using the term “birther” in a condescending, Orwellian manner to discredit decent, hard working Americans who believe that the US Constitution is the law of the land, will not be tolerated.
1. Barack Obama has employed a legion of private and government attorneys to prevent revealing his country of birth. Innocent and eligible persons seeking the office of president do not do that.
2. Barack Obama’s father was a citizen of Kenya and a British citizen. “natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution” was explicitly written to deal with the issue of foreign allegiances at the time of the writing of the US Constitution.
3. Barack Obama’s citizenship and allegiance was further tainted when he was adopted by his stepfather Lolo Soetoro and Obama became an Indonesian citizen.
4. Some combination of the above allowed Obama to travel to Pakistan in 1981 when travel there was restricted to US citizens.
5. The only document presented by the Obama camp is a Hawaii COLB. There has been no substantiation that it is authentic and it does not establish country of birth. As Lou Dobbs stated, “It is a piece of paper that refers to another piece of paper.”
6. All other documentation, all school records, that would establish country of birth have been kept hidden and restricted.
7. No authentic documentation has been presented to establish that Barack Obama was born in the US.
8. The records of all hospitals in Hawaii have been searched. There is no record of Stanley Ann Obama ever having given birth to a child.
9. Barack Obama’s paternal grandmother in Kenya has stated on multiple occasions that she was present at Obama’s birth in Mombasa.
10. Others have stated, including multiple family members, officials and press, that Obama was born in Kenya.
This has been presented in a manner that a fifth grader can understand. However, if you have any questions, please contact me on this blog.
Failure to learn more about and understand this critical issue and take appropriate measures can only be construed as apathy, ignorance or having an un American agenda. This includes the Mainstream Media and the Fox network.


Palin4Prez
Comment posted December 21, 2009 @ 3:33 am

Fellhauer: “One more quick question, President-elect Obama’s birthplace over in Kenya, is that going to be a national spot to go visit, where he was born?”
Ogego: “It’s already an attraction. His paternal grandmother is still alive.”
Fellhauer: “His birthplace, they’ll put up a marker there?”
Ambassador Ogego: “It would depend on the government. It’s already well known.”
http://my.wrif.com/mim/index.php?s=Ogego
Later on, Ogego’s assistant, denying that Obama was born in Kenya, insisted Ogego was speaking about Barack Obama Sr., and not President-elect Obama. She said she could not say why Ogego responded the way he did. Listening to the radio interview in its entirety, it is very obvious the interviewers were all talking about President-elect Barack Obama and not his father. We would also expect that Ogego would have said that Obama was not born in Kenya, but there is an attraction there to honor his father. If it were true that Ogego was referring to Obama’s Sr. and not Obama Jr., we should have heard about and received credible evidence as to what preparatory steps had already been taken in Kenya to honor the birth place of Obama Sr. In evaluating Ogego’s statement, we have to also remember that Obama’s grandmother also said that Obama Jr. was born in Kenya. Hence, Ogego’s assistant’s claim that Ogego thought they were talking about Obama’s father does not appear credible.
It is alleged that the Kenyan government authorities have refused to cooperate and have thwarted all efforts by anyone to obtain any documents concerning Obama.
Obama has refused all effort to have him release the following documents, relying on sealing of records and/or privacy laws: Punahou High School records, Occidental College records, Columbia College records, Columbia Thesis paper, Harvard College records, Selective Service Registration, medical records, Illinois State Senate records, Illinois State Senate schedule, Law practice client list, Certified Copy of original Birth Certificate, Harvard Law Review articles that were published, University of Chicago scholarly articles, exit and entry immigration records covering all of Obama's travels out of the United States; passports; and record of baptism, if any.


katahdin
Comment posted December 22, 2009 @ 8:55 pm

The birthers are the Mount Olympus of crazy.


ellid
Comment posted December 23, 2009 @ 10:03 pm

Asked, answered, and rebutted in at least a dozen other posts.


GunnyRed
Comment posted December 24, 2009 @ 12:56 am

Obama is NOT an Article II Natural Born Citizen and therefore is NOT eligible to be President. This is the biggest political cover-up in U.S. History.
see Kerchner et al v. Obama & Congress et al
visit http://www.protectourliberty.org
phone 732.521-1900


ellid
Comment posted December 24, 2009 @ 1:39 pm

Once again, a repeat of a long-since debunked post.

Once again, not a scrap of proof that GunnyRed, or Gummy Bear, or Redd Grahame/Graeme/Crackerhead/Whatever he's calling himself today, is not a badly educated redneck who is terrified of dark-skinned people, beginning with the one in the White House.


ellid
Comment posted December 24, 2009 @ 1:40 pm

What are you going to do, emerge from your Fortress of Solitude and jeer at me? *rolls eyes*

Sorry, old sport. You're a birther. If you don't like it, pick another hobby.


ellid
Comment posted December 24, 2009 @ 1:41 pm

Thank you for posting long-discredited lies. I assume they turned you down for a more useful seasonal job, such as ringing the bell for the Salvation Army?


RedGraham
Comment posted December 24, 2009 @ 4:47 pm

I voted for Alan Keyes & would have gladly voted for Condi Rice or Colin Powell.


RedGraham
Comment posted December 24, 2009 @ 4:48 pm

Barack – you have to step up, grow a spine, and confront this idiocy like a man. We can make all the circumstantial arguments we want, but you’re the only one that has the irrefutable proof – so the responsibility for the growth of the birther movement is all yours. From here on out, you can do what you wish about it, but if you keep all of those records sealed, we will call it what is – a political ploy to ensure that you have the birthers as an issue in 2012. And if indeed there is no long-form birth certificate due to some accident or clerical error, at least open up the rest of the records (like your college grades) as a show of good faith.


ellid
Comment posted December 25, 2009 @ 12:19 am

That's a neat trick, given that Rice never once expressed any desire to run for office, and Powell bowed out because of fears that he would be attacked by crazed right wing loons for not being conservative enough.


katahdin
Comment posted December 29, 2009 @ 7:43 pm

It stands to reason that anyone crazy enough to vote for Alan Keyes would be crazy enough to admit voting for Alan Keyes.


HRCin2012
Comment posted December 30, 2009 @ 1:39 am

Actually it had more to do with that “incident” in 'Nam.


HRCin2012
Comment posted December 30, 2009 @ 1:40 am

To become President of the United States for starters both of your parents must have been U.S. citizens and you must have beeen born on U.S. soil.


Palin4Prez
Comment posted December 30, 2009 @ 2:45 am

You are so right. That is something I learned in nineth-grade Civics. The mere fact BHO2's father was a “transient alien” rules out any possibility of natural-born status. Even if Obama was born in Hawaii, as many prefer to believe, he could not qualfy to run for President of the U.S. plain and simple.


oncewasbc
Comment posted December 30, 2009 @ 2:21 pm

What a shock!!! A supporter of Hillary Clinton and a supporter of Sarah Palin are going to join together to battle Barack Obama. What is particularly funny about this is the fact that “HRCin2012″ and “Palin4Prez” are the same person. How do I know this? Simple. Click on the “face” to the right of the name. (You will note that both HRCin2012 and Palin4Prez are “guests”). Then click on the hypertext link for “View More Comments.” Look at the left side of the comments page: You will see that it lists “Names Used” by the same “guest”. What you will see is that one person has been posting (and posing) under multiple guest names, apparently in order to make it appear that there are more of birfers posting here than is actually the case. Here is what we find:

Names Used

GunnyRed
KitKat
Berftard4Life
M.O.
RPaulMD
Red Graham
HRCin2012
AndNowThis
MakethePieHigher
RedGrahm
reddgrahem
JWilkins
BillyBob
Keyes4Prez
ReddGraeme
Ishmael
Palin4Prez
RedGraham

All the same person. So, “RedGraham”, why are you doing this? Is it because you realize you are part of a tiny minority? On this thread alone, you are “HRCin2012″, “Palin4Prez”, “GunnyRed”, and “RedGraham”. You have to do this to create the impression of a movement? What you are really doing is engaging in digital masturbation: “You are so right.” Are we supposed to be surprised that you get a near-erotic pleasure from agreeing with yourself?


katahdin
Comment posted December 31, 2009 @ 11:34 am

President Obama is absolutely correct to ignore the silly demands of crazy birthers. Just as wouldn't give in if his daughter demanded cake for breakfast. Birthers are children. And you can't give in to children.


ellid
Comment posted January 1, 2010 @ 10:51 pm

Agreeing with yourself makes you look like a master debater, all right.


ellid
Comment posted January 1, 2010 @ 10:52 pm

Wrong again.


kailuagirl
Comment posted January 11, 2010 @ 7:07 pm

http://www.thepostemail.com/2010/01/10/red-flags-
PALIN….??? FOX….??? are in question as long as they continue to cover-up the truth about the giant elephant sitting smack dab in everybody's living room every day and night, along with the rest of the MSM. 98% of media and news in the US is sourced back to 5 major corporations, all of which have dominate ownership outside of the USA. Think about this the next time you rave about PALIN or FOX, or any of the slime that work for/with the MSM and that call themselves loyal US citizens. No such thing. Who LIES? THEY LIE. Facts can't be disputed, crystal clear cover-up.
Question???when will the likes of Andrew Breitbart report these truths:
http://www.thepostemail.com/2010/01/10/red-flags-


kailuagirl
Comment posted January 11, 2010 @ 7:11 pm

Pete…get the facts…your uninformed and ignorant.
http://www.thepostemail.com/2010/01/10/red-flags-
PALIN….??? FOX….??? are in question as long as they continue to cover-up the truth about the giant elephant sitting smack dab in everybody's living room every day and night, along with the rest of the MSM. 98% of media and news in the US is sourced back to 5 major corporations, all of which have dominate ownership outside of the USA. Think about this the next time you rave about PALIN or FOX, or any of the slime that work for/with the MSM and that call themselves loyal US citizens. No such thing. Who LIES? THEY LIE. Facts can't be disputed, crystal clear cover-up.
Question???when will the likes of Andrew Breitbart report these truths:
http://www.thepostemail.com/2010/01/10/red-flags-


ellid
Comment posted January 11, 2010 @ 10:44 pm

Would someone please call a psychiatrist? I think we need a Section 12 here.


ellid
Comment posted January 11, 2010 @ 10:44 pm

Fourth post of the same pointless drivel.


saltwiththatfootsir
Comment posted February 3, 2010 @ 11:40 am

Rupert Murdoch's GOP pin-up doll/fembot/televangelist/grifter is being sold to proudly ignorant in twangville as a modern day Esther — NewsCorp owns HarperCollins, FOX News/Business, WSJ, Weekly Standard (Bill Kristol) — these are the folks who package/market the “Sarah Palin brand” whose franchise incl. Todd,Bristol,Levi,Willow, Piper & prop baby Trig (his treatment/handling borders on child abuse) — thrills n chills, something for everyone – watch Americas hottest reality show, as Wasilla snowbillies loot America…while country continues to slide into depression, as political class mortgages our futures, shortens your parents retirement, ships more young people off to unwinnable wars and prepares for yet another illusion of inclusion, called Election 2012 — are we having fun yet?


arthuralexander
Comment posted February 17, 2010 @ 1:30 pm

I think that any body that run President should show there birth Certificate an also it should in the Consitution as law that they do so. Art.


arthuralexander
Comment posted February 17, 2010 @ 6:30 pm

I think that any body that run President should show there birth Certificate an also it should in the Consitution as law that they do so. Art.


Tony Santman
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