Sarah Palin: Birther

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Friday, December 04, 2009 at 6:21 am

Ben Smith catches Sarah Palin indulging Rusty Humphries, a conservative radio host given to obsessing about the citizenship of President Obama, in some speculation about the commander-in-chief’s birth certificate yesterday. Just so there’s no confusion, here’s the transcript:

HUMPHRIES: One of the questions Jason asks is would you make the birth certificate an issue if you ran?

PALIN: I think the public rightfully is still making it an issue. I don’t have a problem with that. I don’t know if I would have to bother to make it an issue because I think there are enough members of the electorate that still want answers.

HUMPHRIES: Do you think it’s a fair question to be looking at?

PALIN: I think it’s a fair question just like I think past associations and past voting records. All of that is fair game. You know, I’ve got to tell you too, I think our campaign, the McCain-Palin campaign didn’t do a good enough job in that area. We didn’t call out Obama and some of his associates on their records and what their beliefs were, and perhaps what their future plans were, and I don’t think that was fair to voters to not have done our job as candidates and a campaign to bring to light a lot of things that now we’re seeing manifest in the administration.

HUMPHRIES: I mean, truly if your past is fair game and your kids are fair game, certainly Obama’s past should be. I mean, we want to treat men and women equally, right?

PALIN: Hey, you know, that’s a great point. And that weird conspiracy theory freaky thing that people talk about that Trig isn’t my real son, and a lot of people that went “Well, you need to produce his birth certificate, you need to prove that he’s your kid,” which we have done, but yeah, so maybe we can reverse that, and use the same [inaudible] thinking on the other one.

So, to recap: Palin, prompted only to talk about “the birth certificate,” realizes that she’s being asked about President Obama’s proof of citizenship. She says the public is “rightfully” making it an issue, that it’s a “fair question,” and that it’s fair game — and because some people have questioned whether Trig Palin is really her son, it’s fair to “reverse that” and ask questions about the president’s birth certificate.

The way I always look at birther questions and answers is: How would they read if they covered another conspiracy theory? Imagine a politician being asked, say, if he/she would “make the real story of 9/11 an issue.” If the politician answered anything but no, it would be a scandal. If he/she said “I think the public rightfully is still making it an issue,” I think it would be interpreted as a flat-out endorsement of the “truthers.” Look, for example, at the mini-uproar that happened after Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.) was ambushed by truthers with cameras who asked leading questions about the “families’” desire for a new 9/11 investigation. Indulging a conspiracy theory that casts doubts on the legitimacy of the president is not something serious politicians do.

Another angle here is what it reveals about Palin’s character. She has spoken and written angrily for more than a year about the people she calls “Trig Truthers,” anyone who questions whether Trig Palin is her son. The lesson she’s taken from the experience is not that conspiracy theories are out of bounds. It’s that if they are going to be conspiracy theories about her, there might as well be conspiracy theories about her political enemies.

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fashionplate
Comment posted December 4, 2009 @ 7:15 am

If it's a birth certificate that needs to be shown–inquiring folks like myself would like to see the date of birth on Trig Palin's birth certificate. Seriously.
Thanks for the forum, Palin.


Name
Comment posted December 4, 2009 @ 7:19 am

You missed a blatant lie: Palin claims she released Trig's birth certificate. (“which we have done”)


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Mike_Licht
Comment posted December 4, 2009 @ 8:38 am

Mrs. Palin is a fine one to speak about records. Here's her own:

Elected a small town mayor, she hired an experienced city manager to do her job for her and still left the town of 4,000 souls $25 million in debt.

Why did Mrs. Palin suddenly quit her position as Alaska governor? She could no longer take credit for programs initiated by her predecessor, and the poor results of her own actions were about to become obvious.

Even her book tour is a sham. See:

http://notionscapital.wordpress.com/2009/12/03/…


Antibirther
Comment posted December 4, 2009 @ 9:06 am

This ties in nicely with Orly Taitz latest filing in the Keyes case. Orly is slipping into the abyys of insanity, hopefully she will pull Sarah in affter her.


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bearclaw
Comment posted December 4, 2009 @ 10:17 am

It sounds like Sarah doesn't need to be “pulled” into the birfer abyss. She only needs a nudge, and then she leaps, head first!


TomDegan
Comment posted December 4, 2009 @ 11:25 am

I know I have said this before, but I will say it again and again and again:

I hope that Sarah Palin never goes away. No woman since Eleanor Roosevelt has done more for progressive politics in this country than she. Don'cha just love her? I sure do!

YOU GO, GIRL!

http://www.tomdegan.blogspot.com

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY


davemartin7777
Comment posted December 4, 2009 @ 11:33 am

Why don't Sarah Palin's handlers allow her to appear on “Meet the Press” or “Face the Nation”?

Because she'll babble like a clueless high school beauty queen off script?

Give me a break Sarah “I Quit” Palin can't even handle half an hour of tough questions… that's why she's going on Rupert Murdocks' Fox News/ GOP TV to catch softballs.

Btw, Palin's book publisher is HarperCollins, also owned by Rupert Murdock, you 'betcha.

This is how wingnut welfare works.


mantis
Comment posted December 4, 2009 @ 11:43 am

You're right that they avoid any real interviews because Palin's near-total ignorance shines through a bit too brightly (though it does even in wingnut interviews, to some extent).

However, I wouldn't label her book deal as wingnut welfare. HarperCollins is very likely going to make a decent amount of money on that book, and thus it was a good business decision for them. Stupid or not, she has quite a following, and that sells books.

Wingnut welfare better describes the many “think tanks” and money-losing publications and websites that employ wingnuts who otherwise could not make a living spewing their idiocy.


strangely_enough
Comment posted December 4, 2009 @ 12:02 pm

Yet another instance of the liberal media assault on Palin by quoting her verbatim…


katahdin
Comment posted December 4, 2009 @ 12:14 pm

Everyone always talks about Palin's pathetic performance in her interview with Katie Couric, but the interview with Charlie Gibson was even worse. Poor Charlie made the mistake of treating her like a real adult politician aspiring to the second-highest office in the land. When he asked what she thought of the Bush Doctrine, it was hilarious to watch her try to fake her way around the fact that she had never heard of the Bush Doctrine. She was like a kid in class who hasn't done the assigned reading.


24AheadDotCom
Comment posted December 4, 2009 @ 12:19 pm

It's possible to think that BHO is eligible and was born in HI and at the same time point out that the MSM (and others) have repeatedly lied about the basic facts of this matter. The “others” includes Weigel. He's not a credible source.


Deo
Comment posted December 4, 2009 @ 12:29 pm

Palin is re-inventing again. She NEVER provided Trig's birth certificate. People clamoured for it, she ignored it…but in her fantasy she has NOW provided THAT…well, she didn't.
The lady has got some whopping cahones on her…she justs looks at you and LIES.
Let's see it once and for all.


mantis
Comment posted December 4, 2009 @ 1:06 pm

You're not a credible source. Stop trolling for clicks to your batshit crazy website, birthtard.


24AheadDotCom
Comment posted December 4, 2009 @ 1:20 pm

I've repeatedly challenged anyone to find anything false, misleading, or illogical in any of my coverage and no one has been able to do it.

Be the first!


mantis
Comment posted December 4, 2009 @ 1:29 pm

You consider others' unwillingness to take facts and peoples' words at face value, rather than reading crazy conspiracy-minded double hidden meanings into everything, as “lies.” That alone identifies you as a conspiracy theory nutbag. I'm not going to sift through your site just to give you more clicks for ad revenue, dumbass. We have pointed out how full of shit you are, and how false and misleading most of what you assert is, right here on this site, repeatedly, for many months.

Again, stop trolling for clicks to your batshit crazy website, birthtard.


sm
Comment posted December 4, 2009 @ 1:50 pm

Palin has to understand the game of politics how President is playing


24AheadDotCom
Comment posted December 4, 2009 @ 1:52 pm

In other words, you can't back up your claim. Thanks for proving my point.

For others, let me issue a challenge.

Back in July, Dave Weigel said that HI had announced that they had a cert on file that “says the same stuff” as the picture on BHO's site.

I call that a lie, because HI never said anything like that; in fact, they've pointed out that they haven't authenticated the picture on Obama's site.

If anyone would like to prove me wrong, all they have to do is prove Weigel right: provide a clear statement from a HI official from before July 23, 2009 (the air date of Weigel's statement) in which they say that they have a copy on file that “says the same stuff” as the picture on BHO's site.

Now over to Mantis for another ad hom.


mantis
Comment posted December 4, 2009 @ 2:00 pm

Try linking to Weigel's posts, instead of your own batshit crazy birthtard site, and I might indulge you in your stupidity. I will not visit your site.


mantis
Comment posted December 4, 2009 @ 2:03 pm

However, without knowing what you are talking about since you refuse to do anything but link to your own stupid website, I can tell you this:

June 2008:

When the birth certificate arrived from the Obama campaign it confirmed his name as the other documents already showed it. Still, we took an extra step: We e-mailed it to the Hawaii Department of Health, which maintains such records, to ask if it was real.

“It's a valid Hawaii state birth certificate,” spokesman Janice Okubo told us.

Dumbass.


mantis
Comment posted December 4, 2009 @ 2:08 pm

Following that, in July 1, 2009:

“Therefore I, as director of health for the state of Hawaii, along with the registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama's original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.

“When you request a birth certificate, the one you get looks exactly like the one posted on his site,” she said. “That's the birth certificate.”

To any rational observer, the statements from the Hawaii officials are more than enough to conclude that the birth certificate released by the Obama campaign is legitimate, but you are not a rational observer. You no doubt have some super secret authentication process that you insist they follow, and since they haven't, you assert that everyone is lying.

You're a fucking crazy idiot. Seek help.


24AheadDotCom
Comment posted December 4, 2009 @ 3:34 pm

Please stop trying to mislead people, mantis.

Further down on the same page you link to, the same person says: “I don't know that it's possible for us to even say beyond a doubt what the image on the site represents.”

That same person – who's just a spokeswoman – has also admitted to me that she's not qualified to speak to the validity of records and documents. She's just a spokeswoman, and a confused and contradictory one at that.


24AheadDotCom
Comment posted December 4, 2009 @ 3:36 pm

Once again: stop trying to mislead people. The first paragraph is from an ambiguous 10/31/08 statement. The second is from the same less-than-credible spokeswoman, and she's only saying that the form shown on his site is on a stock form; she's not verifying any of the information on the form.


spineynorman
Comment posted December 4, 2009 @ 3:51 pm

My dear Sarah, your qualifications for high office are fair game.


ellid
Comment posted December 4, 2009 @ 3:54 pm

Wrong. Hawaii confirmed the birth certificate. Go away, troll.


mantis
Comment posted December 4, 2009 @ 4:02 pm

Like I said, any rational person would conclude that the certificate is legit based on the clear statements from Hawaii officials. And you very well know that they later, in response to the constant whining from irrational douchebags such as yourself, clarified that yes, the information is all correct and matches that of the vital records on file.

Your idiotic claim that Weigel lied by saying that Hawaii officials confirmed, when they clearly had, before the July 27 re-confirmation, is such absurd irrational nitpicking it's no wonder most people just ignore you.

That same person – who's just a spokeswoman – has also admitted to me that she's not qualified to speak to the validity of records and documents.

The fact that she told you she's a spokesperson and not the actual state registrar means nothing. She's speaking for the officials who are qualified, and they have spoken for themselves, repeatedly confirming both Obama's birth and the accuracy of the information on the certificate his campaign released.

The fact that you no longer even bother to dispute the facts, and prefer to push the ludicrous claim that reporters have been lying by repeating the confirmations of state officials, reveals that you have no interest in the truth, but rather wish to pull those with some anti-media resentment to your site so you can collect ad revenue.

The only person trying to mislead is you. Constantly. It's your raison d'etre.


jaguignon
Comment posted December 4, 2009 @ 5:04 pm

Trig isn't running for office! What a pile of stupid democrat crap! She ran for office and did show her birth cert and was proven. Obama still has to show a birth certificate (not a certificate of live birth). There is a real difference! And to top all things off, most people haven't touched his kids with any filthy comments or political abuse; just him and his big mouthed wife.


jaguignon
Comment posted December 4, 2009 @ 5:10 pm

Hey Mantis, done any praying lately? Just keep watching the tele and when they finally take your fake prez to prison for fraud and treason, then you can cry. I can't wait until Nov 2010 when we get the chance to cut congresses balls off.


24AheadDotCom
Comment posted December 4, 2009 @ 5:16 pm

Here's a simple formula to remember at this site: mantis = liar.

There have been only two official statements from HI officials, neither of which were clear. And, neither of those spoke to the picture on BHO's site; HI admits they never authenticated that picture. HI officials have no repeatedly confirmed his birth loc.; they only said that once. And, once again: they haven't confirmed that the picture on his site matches what's on file.

Their first statement was ambiguous, since those born outside the state can get HI certs.

Everyone knows she's a spokeswoman; what some don't know is that that's all she is. She told me she isn't qualified to say what's valid and not valid and what their records say.

If you scroll up there are links; follow them to see how much Weigel and mantis (who might be Weigel) are misleading you about this issue.


bearclaw
Comment posted December 4, 2009 @ 5:24 pm

I wasn't aware that the Congress of the United States was endowed with testicles. You might want to discuss this with Nancy Pelosi.

And does your reference to castration have something to do with the democratic process of voting for Representatives and Senators? You might want to seek counseling for your anger issues.

As for your prediction that President Obama will go to prison for “fraud and treason,” we've been hearing similar predictions for a long time. How about you go away and come back only when one of your silly predictions comes true, you knuckledragging birftard.


bearclaw
Comment posted December 4, 2009 @ 5:27 pm

“Dinsdale, Dinsdale.”

I hold the opinions of hedgehogs in very high regard.


mantis
Comment posted December 4, 2009 @ 6:28 pm

Thank you for your thoughts on our country, dipshit wanker. They are highly amusing.


mantis
Comment posted December 4, 2009 @ 6:39 pm

She told me she isn't qualified to say what's valid and not valid and what their records say.

She told you she isn't qualified to judge what's valid and not valid. Of course she's qualified to say, on behalf of those qualified to judge, and has. She's a spokesperson. Since you are too stupid to understand the concept of professional qualifications, I do understand your confusion.

If you scroll up there are links; follow them to see how much Weigel and mantis (who might be Weigel) are misleading you about this issue.

Trust me, it's quite apparent who's attempting to mislead. And no, I'm not Weigel. I highly doubt he would bother to spend so much time responding to any commenter, let alone a dense, repetitive, click whore like yourself. I just enjoy poking lunatics with sticks to see how they react. We all need hobbies.

But, as far as you know, I guess, I might be Weigel. You'd have to ignore the differences in how we write, or just not be perceptive enough to pick up on them. Anyway, I assure you, I'm just a bug in Chicago. I am in no way employed by George Soros or whatever evil boogeyman you believe controls everything (the Jews, maybe?).


mantis
Comment posted December 4, 2009 @ 6:39 pm

She told me she isn't qualified to say what's valid and not valid and what their records say.

She told you she isn't qualified to judge what's valid and not valid. Of course she's qualified to say, on behalf of those qualified to judge, and has. She's a spokesperson. Since you are too stupid to understand the concept of professional qualifications, I do understand your confusion.

If you scroll up there are links; follow them to see how much Weigel and mantis (who might be Weigel) are misleading you about this issue.

Trust me, it's quite apparent who's attempting to mislead. And no, I'm not Weigel. I highly doubt he would bother to spend so much time responding to any commenter, let alone a dense, repetitive, click whore like yourself. I just enjoy poking lunatics with sticks to see how they react. We all need hobbies.

But, as far as you know, I guess, I might be Weigel. You'd have to ignore the differences in how we write, or just not be perceptive enough to pick up on them. Anyway, I assure you, I'm just a bug in Chicago. I am in no way employed by George Soros or whatever evil boogeyman you believe controls everything (the Jews, maybe?).


xandu
Comment posted December 4, 2009 @ 6:44 pm

What really confuses me – why wouldn't Obama administration just show the certification of live birth – a simple step that would have satisfied everyone? In US, the hospitals keep paper records for of birth for about last 150 years. *Given the size of the controversy*, why not release the original document instead of state issues one? I fully understand the state issued ones are satisfactory to the courts – but again – given the proportion of the conspiracy – why not issue the original hospital recorded one and shut all the birthers up?


euphgeek
Comment posted December 4, 2009 @ 7:17 pm

He's a much more credible source than you are. The state of Hawaii has repeatedly confirmed that they hold Obama's original birth certificate. The only place that would hold the original birth certificate is the place he was born in. They would not hold the original certificate if he was born in Kenya or anywhere else other than Hawaii. It is possible to get a COLB from Hawaii if you were not born there, but it would say the place you were born, not Honolulu. If it did say Honolulu no matter where you were born, millions of illegal immigrants would be flocking to Hawaii so they could become natural born citizens.


typ0224
Comment posted December 4, 2009 @ 8:01 pm

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name0020
Comment posted December 4, 2009 @ 9:31 pm

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Brandon
Comment posted December 4, 2009 @ 9:45 pm

This is ridiculous how people are still caught on the whole birth certificate issue.

Brandon
Just South of North
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katahdin
Comment posted December 4, 2009 @ 11:23 pm

Nothing will satisfy the birthers. If Obama found and showed the hospital birth certificate, the birthers would denounce it as a forgery, and even if they didn't they would say it doesn't matter.
You see, they've already moved on to other reasons that the President isn't really president.
1. They claim that because President Obama's father was not a citizen, that Obama can't be a citizen either. According to the Constitution, the Supreme Court, and federal law (Title 8, Section 1401 of the US Code) he is in fact a natural born citizen of the US, but you can't reason with birthers.
2. They claim he's not eligible to be president because he could have claimed dual citizenship, I believe up to the age of 23, from either Kenya or the UK. In fact, this doesn't affect his status as a natural-born citizen of the US at all, since US law is never superceded by foreign law with regard to citizenship.
3. They claim he was secretly adopted by his Indonesian stepfather and lost his citizenship as a result. There is no evidence Barack Obama was ever adopted, and even if he had been, it would not have affected his citizenship, since a child cannot have American citizenship stripped from him. An American citizen can only surrender his citizenship as an adult, through a voluntary act.
As a subset of this conspiracy theory, birthers like to claim that Barack Obama had an Indonesian passport, which he used to travel to Pakistan, and that he recieved financial aid as a foreign student. Both these theories are utterly false.
There are many crazy variations on these crazy theories, but the short answer is that nothing, but nothing that President Obama can ever say or do will shut up thr crazy birthers.


katahdin
Comment posted December 4, 2009 @ 11:27 pm

The castration reference has more to do with the tradition of white racist males cutting off the testicles of black men.


katahdin
Comment posted December 4, 2009 @ 11:32 pm

Sarah Palin reminds me of a book I read called “Heart Full of Lies” by Ann Rule. She behaves so much like the subject of the book, it's chilling.


Matt S.
Comment posted December 4, 2009 @ 11:53 pm

Still can't beleive this woman was seriously viewed as the next big thing in the GOP.


ellid
Comment posted December 4, 2009 @ 11:54 pm

Sarah Palin showed no birth certificate. FAIL.

The President did show his birth certificate, and no, there is no difference between the two documents unless one is being an argumentative birther.

As for the President's children, his older daughter, Malia, eleven years old, was called “ghetto trash” by multiple comments on Free Republic after she was photographed wearing shorts while sightseeing in Europe this year. The thread also contained speculation that she was promiscuous and would have her first abortion before she was out of high school, and repeatedly referred to her as a whore and a bitch. If this does not qualify as “filthy,” I would like to know what *does*, since calling an eleven year old sightseeing with her mother and grandmother a promiscuous ghetto whore is far, far worse than David Letterman making a bad joke.

In short, you are wrong about everything, and it really would behoove you to check your facts before spouting nonsense.


ellid
Comment posted December 4, 2009 @ 11:56 pm

She's equally ridiculous when dealing with the presumably friendly media in Alaska…remember the turkey interview?


ellid
Comment posted December 4, 2009 @ 11:58 pm

The state of Hawaii's pronouncements were perfectly clear to me, but since I only have a bachelor's degree from a Seven Sisters college I clearly do not know as much as the worthy graduates of the William Howard Taft School of Something That Vaguely Resembles American Law.


fishstyx
Comment posted December 5, 2009 @ 12:00 am

Mantis – I have to hand it to you. That was an entertaining read. Arguing with conspiracy theorists ranks right up there with Nigerian scam-baiting with respect to entertainment value.


RedGraham
Comment posted December 5, 2009 @ 2:38 am

The Kenyan document is the only authentic Birth Certificate produced to date and is probably the same one the state of Hawaii has on file. Whatever they have on file contains the information that proves Obama is not constitutionally qualified to even run for president. Obama's well-hidden half-sister Maya has the same COLB and she was born in Indonesia. Then as a boy Obama was adopted in Indonesia as Barry Soetoro(Saetoro). A visit to grandma's in Hawaii became permanant and then came college as a foreign student. We birthers are playing against a stacked deck and the truth may be covered up for years to come. My prayer is that at least my children will see the truth come out about this fraud and will remember me fondly when it does. Another sad aspect of this is that a fine man like Alan Keyes must suffer insult while the one who is dishonest is in the Whitehouse.


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euphgeek
Comment posted December 5, 2009 @ 7:12 am

Wow, two lies in the first sentence. Way to go, Red! Hawaii can only have a birth certificate on file for those born in Hawaii. If Hawaii handed out birth certificates for anyone born outside the country saying they were born in Honolulu, millions of illegal immigrants would be flocking to Hawaii to become natural born citizens. Your children will hate you for being such a dumbass if they have more than two brain cells to rub together.


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suable
Comment posted December 5, 2009 @ 12:56 pm

The only comment I have is if Obama was not born in the U.S., he wouldn't be eligible to be President of the U.S. Does it really matter if Trig is Sarah Palin's son or not? I believe he is, but does it really matter?


JWilkins
Comment posted December 5, 2009 @ 1:01 pm

1. Why did the DNC certify Obama's [constitutional] eligibility only in Hawaii?
2. Why did no state DNC office, DNC elector, or Election Commission office catch it?
3. Since the DNC made no such certification, on what basis do we assume Obama to be eligible?
4. Without any such certification, isn't it more important than ever to see the actual birth certificate and ask the courts to make an official ruling on the definition of “natural born citizen?”
5. Why did the DNC use TWO different certification documents, one incomplete, when the RNC used the same complete document nationwide?
6. On what basis will the media continue to claim that Obama is eligible?
7. Why did Nancy Pelosi show signs of stress in her [signature on] Hawaii certification of Obama?
8. When will every American demand answers to these and many more questions?


spineynorman
Comment posted December 5, 2009 @ 3:07 pm

Just admit it. You don't like having a black man as president. Now, that being said, enough with this birth certificate BS already. Your guy lost. McCain and Silly Sarah lost. Do you understand that? What part of that are you not getting?


spineynorman
Comment posted December 5, 2009 @ 3:09 pm

Yada Yada Yada


spineynorman
Comment posted December 5, 2009 @ 3:13 pm

You're not patriotic.


euphgeek
Comment posted December 5, 2009 @ 6:25 pm

Why do you believe any of the shit you're spewing? Because you read it on the internet? If you'd do just two seconds of critical thinking, you'd realize that there is nothing to this nontroversy. If Hawaii granted birth certificates to people who weren't natural born citizens saying they were born in Hawaii, tons of illegal immigrants would be flocking there to become natural born citizens.


katahdin
Comment posted December 5, 2009 @ 10:58 pm

Uh, if Obama was adopted, how to account for the fact that he had a father already who was very much alive?
You can't just adopt kids who already have parents, you know.


ellid
Comment posted December 5, 2009 @ 11:21 pm

This is the third or fourth time you've posted the same thing, old sport. Kindly stop, because repeating this nonsense won't change the fact that you're wrong.


katahdin
Comment posted December 5, 2009 @ 11:48 pm

“Why did Nancy Pelosi show signs of stress in her [signature on] Hawaii certification of Obama?”
Handwriting analysis? Really?
What next, Ohiji boards?
Maybe you guys can contact the ghosts of Obama's parents. I'm sure that would be admissible in a court of law.


crazy racists suck
Comment posted December 6, 2009 @ 2:09 am

Here's a simple formula to remember at this site: 24A = obsessive racist birther blogwhore.


xcott
Comment posted December 6, 2009 @ 11:12 am

“Without any such certification, isn't it more important than ever to see the actual birth certificate and ask the courts to make an official ruling on the definition of “natural born citizen?”"

They already released his birth certificate, last year.

It's just that conspiracy nuts don't consider it a birth certificate unless it says “birth certificate” instead of “certificate of birth” or “certification of birth” or such like. Birthers have trouble with prepositions, you see, due to whatever retarding force made them birthers.

But let me ask you: if it is of such critical importance to release the birth certificate, why is it suddenly unimportant and dismissable the moment it is released? If it is so critical to our survival as a nation, isn't it important for you to now accept the evidence, and combat any disinformation about it?


xcott
Comment posted December 6, 2009 @ 11:23 am

Certainly it didn't matter at all. The whole “baby truther” movement was a low point of 2008, with a bunch of self-important bloggers calling themselves “citizen journalists” and thinking they were blowing the lid off the story of the year by scrutinizing photographs of Palin's family, looking for the presence or absence of baby bumps.

I argued with some of the baby truthers after the election was over, and they still acted like it was the dang Pentagon papers, and they the last true patriots for not buckling on the issue. Basically they were classic conspiracy theorists.

Of course, the people who claim Obama's birth certificate is faked by a massive conspiracy including the government of Hawaii are not much different.


xcott
Comment posted December 6, 2009 @ 11:33 am

“What really confuses me – why wouldn't Obama administration just show the certification of live birth – a simple step that would have satisfied everyone?”

Because they did show it, last year. You can see photographs of it online.

That *is* Obama's birth certificate. The conspiracy people spin arguments that it isn't the real thing because it isn't the original hospital record, but that's just a misunderstanding of what these records are and what they mean.

If you're wondering why they don't dig up the original forms lying somewhere in the vaults, there are two good reasons: one, birthers instantly dismiss anything that is released, demanding instead some other document. Hence there is no point. Two, it helps Obama when these birthersmake the opposition look like fanatical morons. Who wants them to go away?

Of course, that's a real gamble, because the uptick in right-wing militia movements is fed by conspiracy theories like this. And domestic terrorists may be more likely to do something terrible if they believed their government is in some way illegitimate.


mantis
Comment posted December 7, 2009 @ 5:50 pm

Aim to please.


BillyBob
Comment posted December 9, 2009 @ 2:12 am

Obama might have actually been born in Hawaii just not as a natural-born U.S. citizen. His mother was underage and unable to confer NBC status because she was married to a foreigner. His father was a Brit and hence any offspring of a Brit in 1961 was also a Brit. This explains exactly why no Hawaiian BC has ever been released. The college records probably reflect Obama as an Indonesian or Kenyan and that is why those records are sealed. The only BC that has ever surfaced is from Kenya where his grandmother claimed Obama was born. Any way you look at it the man has never been even once for half-a-second a natural-born U.S. citizen and is therefore illegally holding office. Obama is an illegal-alien.


johnsonsmith
Comment posted December 9, 2009 @ 11:21 am

Actually, the state of hawaii did issue certificate of birth to people who weren't born in Hawaii. Sun Yat Sen, the Chinese prime minister, received one although he was born in China. Hawaii also issues certicate of birth based upon affidavits for a home birth. The certicate of birth on the internet is a secondary document derived from an original document which is hopefuly, a hospital birth certificate. Obama should just produce the hospital birth certificate and put this to rest. Why won't he do this? President Obama should release the original birth certicate and put this to rest. To spend millions fighting lawsuits seems ridiculous.


johnsonsmith
Comment posted December 9, 2009 @ 11:21 am

Actually, the state of hawaii did issue certificate of birth to people who weren't born in Hawaii. It also issues certicate of birth based upon affidavits for a home birth. The certicate of birth on the internet is a secondary document derived from an original document which is hopefuly, a hospital birth certificate. Obama should just produce the hospital birth certificate and put this to rest. Why won't he do this?


johnsonsmith
Comment posted December 9, 2009 @ 11:27 am

You can't dismiss criticism or concerns about the President claiming all concerns are racist. It's untrue and unfair. The President should be held to the same standards as all elected politicians. He should produce the “vault” birth certificate and put these issues to rest. Frankly, I think that the President should do all in his power to reassure the American people that he represents each and every one of them; that he cares about them and produce the vault birth certificate to quiet the fears that he doesn't respect the constitution. Moreover, President Obama claims that the Constitution is a “flawed” document; is it possible that he believes its flawed because of the “natural born” requirement of the Constitution?


johnsonsmith
Comment posted December 9, 2009 @ 11:29 am

They say that Obama was adopted by his mother's second husband. This can be done even if his natural father was alive. People do it all the time


johnsonsmith
Comment posted December 9, 2009 @ 11:32 am

I would be very happy to see the vault certificate and it would certainly “satisfy” my concerns. At this point, the question is why the President is refusing to produce it and is spending money defending lawsuits? Failing to produce it was the thing that raised my concerns – especially since Hawaii gives birth certificates to people not born in Hawaii – see Sun Yat Sen…


johnsonsmith
Comment posted December 9, 2009 @ 11:36 am

There is a difference between the two documents. The certificate posted on the internet is a secondary document derived from original documents. The original document (the hospital record) should be produced to end this issue. In fact, Homeland Security will not accept a secondary certificate because the secondary certificate may be based upon affidavits; may be the product of a request by the parents – (see Sun Yat Sen) – and may not reflect birth on American soil. Therefore, the President should produce the original document and end all of these inquiries.


johnsonsmith
Comment posted December 9, 2009 @ 4:40 pm

Any rational person would have produced the “vault” certificate and put all this speculation to rest. Remember Hawaii issued birth certificates to persons not born in Hawaii (see Sun Yat Sen)… Why not produce the vault certificate?


johnsonsmith
Comment posted December 9, 2009 @ 4:40 pm

Any rational person would have produced the “vault” certificate and put all this speculation to rest. Remember Hawaii issued birth certificates to persons not born in Hawaii (see Sun Yat Sen)… Why not produce the vault certificate?


bearclaw
Comment posted December 9, 2009 @ 1:13 pm

(1) The Constitution, as originally written, endorsed slavery and did not give women the right to vote. Do you want to argue it was perfect?

(2) Please point to the legal requirement that every candidate for President must produce a “vault” birth certificate, whatever the hell that is.

(3) What President Obama has provided is the only form of birth certificate the State of Hawaii will issue. It is valid for all legal purposes.

And if you think this isn't racist, then point me to the past articles when demand was made that white candidates produce their “vault” birth certificates. I've followed closely every Presidential election since 1968, and this is the first time I've ever seen concern about a Presidential candidate proving his or her place of birth.


bearclaw
Comment posted December 9, 2009 @ 1:26 pm

Yes, there is a “Hawaiian birth certificate” for Sun Yat-sen:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/9830547/Sun-Yatsen-Ce…

It clearly states that it was based on affidavits, not on the Hawaii's own vital records (not surprising, given that hospital births were rare — Jimmy Carter was our first President born in a hospital).

Sun Yat-sen died on March 12, 1925. Hawaii became a State on August 21, 1959, more than 34 years later. What do the law and procedures of Hawaii decades before statehood have to do with anything we are talking about?


bearclaw
Comment posted December 9, 2009 @ 1:51 pm

And the form the State uses for such people is a “Certificate of Hawaiian Birth.” Barack Obama has a “Certification of Live Birth,” which means it is based on the State's own vital records of his birth.

The document President Obama released is the legal form now issued by the State of Hawaii in response to any request for a birth certificate. It is valid for all legal purposes. You can use it to get a driver's license. You can use it to get a passport. You can use it as self-authenticating evidence in court. What is ridiculous is your obsession. Get over it. Get a life.


bearclaw
Comment posted December 9, 2009 @ 1:59 pm

The “Certificate of Hawaiian Birth” for Sun Yat-sen was issued 101 years ago. It was expressly based on affidavits for people who said they witnessed his birth in Hawaii:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/9830547/Sun-Yatsen-Ce…

In other words, Hawaii has never issued birth certificates to people it knew were not born in Hawaii.

Barack Obama does not have a “Certificate of Hawaiian Birth.” He has a “Certification of Live Birth.” That is based on the State's vital records, not on witnesses of affidavits.

Do your research. Don't believe what you read on WND or FreeRepublic or birfer sites.


bearclaw
Comment posted December 9, 2009 @ 2:03 pm

O.K. BillyBob. If you think Obama is an illegal alien, then why don't you just pick up your telephone and report him to Immigration and Customs Enforcement?

Report suspicious activity
Toll free: 1-866-DHS-2-ICE

Until you do that, I must conclude that you don't believe anything you are writing here.


bearclaw
Comment posted December 9, 2009 @ 2:16 pm

(1) Who is “they”?

(2) Yes, it is possible for a man to legally adopt a child while the child's natural father is alive. But where the mother and father were married when the child was born, and the father is still alive, the child cannot legally be adopted by another man unless the father has consented or has had his parental rights terminated by a court.

You might do some research before you display your ignorance for everyone to read.


BillyBob
Comment posted December 10, 2009 @ 12:37 am

Obama might have actually been born in Hawaii just not as a natural-born U.S. citizen. His mother was underage and unable to confer NBC status because she was married to a foreigner. His father was a Brit and hence any offspring of a Brit in 1961 was also a Brit. This explains exactly why no Hawaiian BC has ever been released. The college records probably reflect Obama as an Indonesian or Kenyan and that is why those records are sealed. The only BC that has ever surfaced is from Kenya where his grandmother claimed Obama was born. Any way you look at it the man has never been even once for half-a-second a natural-born U.S. citizen and is therefore illegally holding office. Obama is an illegal-alien. THAT is why B.O. executed his first act as President, literally within 5 minutes of taking office, he signed executive order #13489 that sealed his own records, so much for being transparent.


HRCin2012
Comment posted December 10, 2009 @ 3:14 am

The first hurdle will be having Obama produce his birth certificate, which so far he has refused to do, and prove that he was born in Hawaii on August 4, 1961, as he has always claimed. There is speculation that his American mother may have brought him to Honolulushortly after his birth in Kenya, but no proof of that has been shown.
According to the law on the books at the time of Obama’s birth, the office of president requires that a candidate be a natural citizen if the child was not born to two U.S.citizen parents. Since he was not,sho uld it be proven th at Obama was not born in Hawaii, as claimed, he is ineligible without further debate. But assuring that he was born there, he has another problem.
According to a legal researcher who has contacted the AFP, U.S.law very clearly states:“If only one parent is a U.S.citizen at the time of one’s birth, that parent must have resided in the United Statesfor a minimum of 10 years, five of which must be after the age of 16.” And therein lies Obama’s new problem.
Then there's the alleged Indonesian adoption as Barry Soetoro(Saetoro), the attending college as a Foreign Student, passport to Pakistan in '81, multiple Social Security Numbers, Granny Obama's statement that BHO was born in Kenya, the Kenyan Birth Certificate & many birther-lawsuits which keep getting dismissed on technicalities.


euphgeek
Comment posted December 10, 2009 @ 3:30 am

The state of Hawaii NEVER issued a birth certificate for ANYONE born outside of Hawaii that said that they were born in Hawaii. Sun Yat Sen got his certification of Hawaiian birth in 1904 LONG before Hawaii was a state. Obama's Certification of Live Birth was verified by the state of Hawaii. The state of Hawaii said that they have his original birth certificate. Hawaii would not hold the original birth certificate for someone not born in Hawaii.

I'll say it again: If Hawaii granted birth certificates to people who weren't natural born citizens saying they were born in Hawaii, tons of illegal immigrants would be flocking there to become natural born citizens. Anybody who is still promoting this nontroversy is stupid, a racist or both. I'll leave it up to you to decide which one you are.


euphgeek
Comment posted December 10, 2009 @ 3:46 am

The Hawaii Certification of Live Birth is accepted by all government agencies to prove that the person in question was in fact born in Hawaii. It can be used to get a driver's license, a passport and can even be used to get a person into little league. Nothing but the COLB will be coming from Hawaii because that's the only thing they give out.


euphgeek
Comment posted December 10, 2009 @ 4:11 am

1) Obama did produce his birth certificate in June 2008. It's the only one that Hawaii issues no matter how much nirthers whine and cry.

2) How could Obama have been born in Kenya when his mother had never been there in her entire life? That would be a neat trick. If he could pull that off, he not only deserves to be president but he should run for God.

3) There was never a requirement for anyone to have two parents who were citizens in order to be a natural-born citizen. All that's required is that they be born on U.S. soil. Look up the term, “anchor baby.” And I'd like to see this supposed “law” that states that parents have to be a resident of the U.S. for 10 years after the age of 16. Sounds like a “friend of a friend” rumor to me.

4) The alleged Indonesian adoption has no bearing on Obama's natural-born citizen status.

5) Obama never attended college as a foreign student or had a passport for any country other than the U.S. He's only had one social security number, his grandmother said he was born in Hawaii and the many Kenyan birth certificates that have appeared on the internet have all been proven forgeries. These are all lies made up by people with Obama Derangement Syndrome who are sore losers because their candidate lost.

6) The birther lolsuits keep getting dismissed because they're based on wishful thinking and no credible evidence and are led by lawyers who are nuttier than 100 pecan pies. Plus the fact that the U.S. Constitution prevents judges from removing a sitting president. Why do you hate the Constitution?


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted December 10, 2009 @ 12:24 pm

Don't confuse the idiot birthtards with indisputable facts. It makes their little pinheads ache. Besides, they read everything on Whirled Nut Daily so it MUST be true.

Birthtards also ignore the most obvious fact of all.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted December 10, 2009 @ 12:27 pm

“To spend millions fighting lawsuits seems ridiculous.”

Most repeated birthtard lie. Prove it or STFU.

Children not born in Hawaii can get a birth document from the state. But it won't say they were born in Hawaii, as Obama's does.

“If you were born in Bali, for example, you could get a certificate from the state of Hawaii saying you were born in Bali,” Janice Okubo, the director of communications for the state Department of Health, told the Washington Independent's David Weigel recently. “You could not get a certificate saying you were born in Honolulu. The state has to verify a fact like that for it to appear on the certificate.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted December 10, 2009 @ 12:29 pm

“He should produce the “vault” birth certificate and put these issues to rest.”

Point out the part of the Constitution that demands a vault copy, or a hospital name or a doctor's signature. Put up or STFU.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted December 10, 2009 @ 12:31 pm

All birthtard nonsense and lies debunked ad nauseam.

You are wrong and your opinion is irrelevant.


euphgeek
Comment posted December 10, 2009 @ 2:28 pm

Obama released his Hawaiian birth certificate in June of 2008. All Kenyan birth certificates have been proven fake. And he signed no such order sealing his own records. You FAIL.


bearclaw
Comment posted December 10, 2009 @ 3:07 pm

Do you even realize that you posted essentially the same thing yesterday?

Are you still insisting that the President is an illegal alien? If you are, have you called Immigration and Customs Enforcement to report that? If you believe what you are writing, you would do that.

Report suspicious activity
Toll free: 1-866-DHS-2-ICE


katahdin
Comment posted December 10, 2009 @ 6:36 pm

Y'know, I liked Hillary, too. She lost. It's time to get over it. She's a great Secretary of State.


gchavez
Comment posted December 10, 2009 @ 11:53 pm

CORRECTION – O.B. posted a”Certification” not a “Certificate”. Pursuant to State of Hawaii Statutes, “certification” and “certificate” are specific and not interchangeable.


gchavez
Comment posted December 10, 2009 @ 11:58 pm

Please take the trouble to look into the “state policies and procedures” as laid down by the relevant statutes. Here are the facts…Here is a summary of Hawaii's “state policies and procedures” in 1961.

In the State of Hawaii, back in 1961, there were four different ways to get an “original birth certificate” on record. They varied greatly in their reliability as evidence. For convenience, I'll call them BC1, BC2, BC3, and BC4.

BC1. If the birth was attended by a physician or mid wife, the attending medical professional was required to certify to the Department of Health the facts of the birth date, location, parents' identities and other information. (See Section 57-8 & 9 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii which was in effect in 1961).

BC2. In 1961, if a person was born in Hawaii but not attended by a physician or midwife, then all that was required was that one of the parents send in a birth certificate to be filed. The birth certificate could be filed by mail. There appears to have been no requirement for the parent to actually physically appear before “the local registrar of the district.” It would have been very easy for a relative to forge an absent parent's signature to a form and mail it in. In addition, if a claim was made that “neither parent of the newborn child whose birth is unattended as above provided is able to prepare a birth certificate, the local registrar shall secure the necessary information from any person having knowledge of the birth and prepare and file the certificate.” (Section 57-8&9) I asked the Dept of Health what they currently ask for (in 2008) to back up a parent's claim that a child was born in Hawaii. I was told that all they required was a proof of residence in Hawaii (e.g. a driver's license [We know from interviews with her friends on Mercer Island in Washington State that Ann Dunham had acquired a driver's license by the summer of 1961 at the age of 17] or telephone bill) and pre-natal (statement or report that a woman was pregnant) and post-natal (statement or report that a new-born baby has been examined) certification by a physician. On further enquiry, the employee that I spoke to informed me that the pre-natal and post-natal certifications had probably not been in force in the '60s. Even if they had been, there is and was no requirement for a physician or midwife to witness, state or report that the baby was born in Hawaii.

BC3. In 1961, if a person was born in Hawaii but not attended by a physician or midwife, then, up to the first birthday of the child, a “Delayed Certificate” could be filed, which required that “a summary statement of the evidence submitted in support of the acceptance for delayed filing or the alteration [of a file] shall be endorsed on the certificates”, which “evidence shall be kept in a special permanent file.” The statute provided that “the probative value of a 'delayed' or 'altered' certificate shall be determined by the judicial or administrative body or official before whom the certificate is offered as evidence.” (See Section 57- 9, 18, 19 & 20 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii which was in effect in 1961).”

In other words, this form of vault birth certificate, the Delayed Certificate, required no more than a statement before a government bureaucrat by one of the parents or (the law does not seem to me clear on this) one of Barack Obama's grandparents. If the latter is true, Ann Dunham did not have to be present for this statement or even in the country.]

BC4. If a child is born in Hawaii, for whom no physician or mid wife filed a certificate of live birth, and for whom no Delayed Certificate was filed before the first birthday, then a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth could be issued upon testimony of an adult (including the subject person [i.e. the birth child as an adult]) if the Office of the Lieutenant Governor was satisfied that a person was born in Hawaii, provided that the person had attained the age of one year. (See Section 57-40 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii which was in effect in 1961.) In 1955 the “secretary of the Territory” was in charge of this procedure. In 1960 it was transferred to the Office of the Lieutenant Governor (“the lieutenant governor, or his secretary, or such other person as he may designate or appoint from his office” §338-41 [in 1961]). Truth be told.


gchavez
Comment posted December 11, 2009 @ 12:00 am

Please take the trouble to look into the “state policies and procedures” as laid down by the relevant statutes. Here are the facts…Here is a summary of Hawaii's “state policies and procedures” in 1961.

In the State of Hawaii, back in 1961, there were four different ways to get an “original birth certificate” on record. They varied greatly in their reliability as evidence. For convenience, I'll call them BC1, BC2, BC3, and BC4.

BC1. If the birth was attended by a physician or mid wife, the attending medical professional was required to certify to the Department of Health the facts of the birth date, location, parents' identities and other information. (See Section 57-8 & 9 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii which was in effect in 1961).

BC2. In 1961, if a person was born in Hawaii but not attended by a physician or midwife, then all that was required was that one of the parents send in a birth certificate to be filed. The birth certificate could be filed by mail. There appears to have been no requirement for the parent to actually physically appear before “the local registrar of the district.” It would have been very easy for a relative to forge an absent parent's signature to a form and mail it in. In addition, if a claim was made that “neither parent of the newborn child whose birth is unattended as above provided is able to prepare a birth certificate, the local registrar shall secure the necessary information from any person having knowledge of the birth and prepare and file the certificate.” (Section 57-8&9) I asked the Dept of Health what they currently ask for (in 2008) to back up a parent's claim that a child was born in Hawaii. I was told that all they required was a proof of residence in Hawaii (e.g. a driver's license [We know from interviews with her friends on Mercer Island in Washington State that Ann Dunham had acquired a driver's license by the summer of 1961 at the age of 17] or telephone bill) and pre-natal (statement or report that a woman was pregnant) and post-natal (statement or report that a new-born baby has been examined) certification by a physician. On further enquiry, the employee that I spoke to informed me that the pre-natal and post-natal certifications had probably not been in force in the '60s. Even if they had been, there is and was no requirement for a physician or midwife to witness, state or report that the baby was born in Hawaii.

BC3. In 1961, if a person was born in Hawaii but not attended by a physician or midwife, then, up to the first birthday of the child, a “Delayed Certificate” could be filed, which required that “a summary statement of the evidence submitted in support of the acceptance for delayed filing or the alteration [of a file] shall be endorsed on the certificates”, which “evidence shall be kept in a special permanent file.” The statute provided that “the probative value of a 'delayed' or 'altered' certificate shall be determined by the judicial or administrative body or official before whom the certificate is offered as evidence.” (See Section 57- 9, 18, 19 & 20 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii which was in effect in 1961).”

In other words, this form of vault birth certificate, the Delayed Certificate, required no more than a statement before a government bureaucrat by one of the parents or (the law does not seem to me clear on this) one of Barack Obama's grandparents. If the latter is true, Ann Dunham did not have to be present for this statement or even in the country.]

BC4. If a child is born in Hawaii, for whom no physician or mid wife filed a certificate of live birth, and for whom no Delayed Certificate was filed before the first birthday, then a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth could be issued upon testimony of an adult (including the subject person [i.e. the birth child as an adult]) if the Office of the Lieutenant Governor was satisfied that a person was born in Hawaii, provided that the person had attained the age of one year. (See Section 57-40 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii which was in effect in 1961.) In 1955 the “secretary of the Territory” was in charge of this procedure. In 1960 it was transferred to the Office of the Lieutenant Governor (“the lieutenant governor, or his secretary, or such other person as he may designate or appoint from his office” §338-41 [in 1961]). Truth be told.


bearclaw
Comment posted December 11, 2009 @ 2:47 am

The distinction is without a legal difference when the issue is the place and date of birth. The Certification of Live Birth, bearing the stamp of the State of Hawaii and the appropriate signature of the keeper of records, is legal proof of the place and date of birth for purposes of federal law (passports) and in every State and court in the United States.


euphgeek
Comment posted December 11, 2009 @ 3:56 am

The Certification of Live Birth IS the Hawaii birth certificate. Hawaiian officials have said so. You FAIL.


euphgeek
Comment posted December 11, 2009 @ 4:02 am

And NONE of those birth certificates would cause the Certification of Live Birth to say that Obama was born in Hawaii if he was not. Face it, he was born in Hawaii. Further proof:

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in…
http://hawaii.gov/health/about/pr/2009/09-063.pdf
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article…
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article…
http://snopes.com/politics/obama/citizen.asp
http://snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertifica…


GunnyRed
Comment posted December 12, 2009 @ 1:56 am

12-9-2009 Chrysler v. Obama: Two lawyers have joined forces to assemble a case challenging in U.S. bankruptcy court the federal government's use of Troubled Asset Relief Program funds to bail out Chrysler and in doing so may have created a scenario that finally will bring to a head the issue of Barack Obama's eligibility to be president.
As part of the demand for information about the authority used, Donofrio confirmed, there will be questions about Obama's eligibility to be president. Donofrio contends that since by Obama's own admission his father never was a U.S. citizen, Obama was born a dual citizen. The framers of the Constitution, he argues, did not consider a dual citizen to be a “natural born citizen” as required for the presidency.
The burden, then, would shift to Obama and his administration officials to document their constitutional authority for their decisions and their handling of taxpayer money.
If the president cannot document his eligibility to occupy the Oval Office, his presidential task force had no authority to act at all, the case contends.


Keyes4Prez
Comment posted December 12, 2009 @ 3:51 am

The AP reporter stated the following:
Kenyan-born US Senate hopeful, Barrack Obama, appeared set to take over the Illinois Senate seat after his main rival, Jack Ryan, dropped out of the race on Friday night amid a furor over lurid sex club allegations.
This report explains the context of the oft cited debate, between Obama and Keyes in the following Fall, in which Keyes faulted Obama for not being a “natural born citizen”, and in which Obama, by his quick retort, “So what? I am running for Illinois Senator, not the presidency”, self-admitted that he was not eligible for the office. Seeing that an AP reporter is too professional to submit a story which was not based on confirmed sources (ostensibly the Obama campaign in this case), the inference seems inescapable: Obama himself was putting out in 2004, that he was born in Kenya.


euphgeek
Comment posted December 12, 2009 @ 10:36 am

Another lolsuit. This ought to be entertaining at least.


euphgeek
Comment posted December 12, 2009 @ 10:47 am

Hmm…so you believe and trust the mainstream media? They never misquote anyone? I notice you don't have a link to the story. It sounds conveniently made up, anyway. In any event, Hawaii has the last word on who is and who is not a natural-born citizen for all people they give Certifications of Live Birth. Unlike you, I can provide links to proof that President Obama is a natural-born citizen:

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in…
http://hawaii.gov/health/about/pr/2009/09-063.pdf
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article…
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article…
http://snopes.com/politics/obama/citizen.asp
http://snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertifica…


gchavez
Comment posted December 13, 2009 @ 11:00 pm

Watch Barry's body language when answering boy asking him where he's born.

Looking down and left is a sure sign of deception.

http://www.breitbart.tv/obama-answers-curious-s


gchavez
Comment posted December 13, 2009 @ 11:02 pm

Watch Barry's body language when answering boy asking him where he's born.

Looking down and left is a sure sign of deception.

http://www.breitbart.tv/obama-answers-curious-s


gchavez
Comment posted December 13, 2009 @ 11:15 pm

What is “Natural Born”as inherent from Natural Father or Mother?? – Under the laws of nature, every child born requires no act of law to establish the fact the child inherits through nature his/her father’s citizenship as well as his name (or even his property) through birth. This law of nature is also recognized by law of nations. Sen. Howard said the citizenship clause under the Fourteenth Amendment was by virtue of “natural law and national law.”

The advantages of Natural Law is competing allegiances between nations are avoided, or at least with those nations whose custom is to not make citizens of other countries citizens without their consent. Any alternations or conflicts due to a child’s natural citizenship are strictly a creature of local municipal law. In the year 1866, the United States for the first time adopted a local municipal law under Sec. 1992 of U.S. Revised Statutes that read: “All persons born in the United States and not subject to any foreign power, excluding Indians not taxed, are declared to be citizens of the United States.”

Rep. John A. Bingham commenting on Section 1992 said it means “every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen.” (Cong. Globe, 39th, 1st Sess., 1291 (1866))


gchavez
Comment posted December 13, 2009 @ 11:22 pm

John McCain was born in Panama…he is not Native Born. However, by virtue of his Natural Father, he is a “Natural Born” U.S. Citizen.


gchavez
Comment posted December 13, 2009 @ 11:28 pm

John McCain was born in Panama…he is not Native Born. However, by virtue of his Natural Father, he is a “Natural Born” U.S. Citizen.


euphgeek
Comment posted December 14, 2009 @ 2:36 am

Obama is also a natural born U.S. citizen. There is no such status as “native born citizen” that is different from “natural born citizen.”


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted December 14, 2009 @ 2:00 pm

Liar.

Paul Colford, director of media relations for the Associated Press: “The AP has never reported that President Obama was born in Kenya. In fact, AP news stories about the state of Hawaii have confirmed that he was born there. The Kenyan paper that you cite rewrote a 2004 AP story, adding the phrase ‘Kenyan-born.’ That wording was not in the AP version of the story.”


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted December 14, 2009 @ 2:01 pm

Your understanding of U.S. law is erroneous, pathetic and most importantly, irrelevant.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted December 14, 2009 @ 2:05 pm

“His mother was underage and unable to confer NBC status because she was married to a foreigner.”

That law only applies to persons born outside of the U.S. Obama was born in Hawaii. Your argument is erroneous and your delusions are irrelevant.

“he signed executive order #13489 that sealed his own records, so much for being transparent.”

Bzzzzt. Wrong. Another idiot birthtard. You are really pathetic. Repeated spam postings doesn't magically make your delusional garbage true.

On January 21, in one of his first official acts, President Barack Obama revoked the Bush administration’s Executive Order 13233 that severely limited access by the public to presidential records.
President Obama firmly committed his administration to a new policy of transparency by symbolically issuing the executive order on his first full day in office. The issuance of the Obama presidential records executive order ends a nearly eight year effort by historians, archivists, political scientists and other stakeholders in federal courts and on Capitol Hill to have the Bush EO revoked on legal grounds or by statute.
The language in the Obama executive order is similar to Executive Order 12667 issued by President Reagan in 1989 which was also in effect during the presidencies of George H.W. Bush and Bill Clinton. The Reagan executive order was revoked when President Bush issued EO 13233 in November 2001.
The Obama executive order restores the presumption that the incumbent president, not former presidents, their heirs or designees should be the one asserting claims of executive privilege. The executive order states that only “living” former Presidents can make claims of executive privilege. This removed one of the most egregious sections of the Bush EO that allowed heirs or designees to make claims of executive privilege for an indefinite period after the death of a former President.
In addition, the provisions in the Bush EO allowing former vice presidents to assert executive privilege are gone. In fact, the Obama EO makes it clear that vice presidential records are to be included under the definition of “presidential records.”
Executive Order 13489 also restores the function of the Archivist of the United States’ as an independent arbiter of initial claims of executive privilege. The executive order assumes the Archivist may release records 30 days after notifying the incumbent and former Presidents unless a claim of executive privilege is made.

http://historycoalition.org/2009/01/21/presiden…


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted December 14, 2009 @ 2:07 pm

“where his grandmother claimed Obama was born.”

Birfer Lie #118

MCRAE: Could I ask her about his actual birthplace? I would like to see his birthplace when I come to Kenya in December. Was she present when he was born in Kenya?

TRANSLATOR: Yes. She says, yes, she was, she was present when Obama was born.

MCRAE: When I come in December. I would like to come by the place, the hospital, where he was born. Could you tell me where he was born? Was he born in Mombasa?

TRANSLATOR: No, Obama was not born in Mombasa. He was born in America.

MCRAE: Whereabouts was he born? I thought he was born in Kenya.

TRANSLATOR: No, he was born in America, not in Mombasa.

MCRAE: Do you know where he was born? I thought he was born in Kenya. I was going to go by and see where he was born.

TRANSLATOR: Hawaii. Hawaii. Sir, she says he was born in Hawaii. In the state of Hawaii, where his father was also learning, there. The state of Hawaii.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted December 14, 2009 @ 2:29 pm

Like you, irrelevant.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted December 14, 2009 @ 2:31 pm

Children not born in Hawaii can get a birth document from the state. But it won't say they were born in Hawaii, as Obama's does.

“If you were born in Bali, for example, you could get a certificate from the state of Hawaii saying you were born in Bali,” Janice Okubo, the director of communications for the state Department of Health, told the Washington Independent's David Weigel recently. “You could not get a certificate saying you were born in Honolulu. The state has to verify a fact like that for it to appear on the certificate.”


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted December 14, 2009 @ 7:33 pm

Children not born in Hawaii can get a birth document from the state. But it won’t say they were born in Hawaii, as Obama’s does.

“If you were born in Bali, for example, you could get a certificate from the state of Hawaii saying you were born in Bali,” Janice Okubo, the director of communications for the state Department of Health, told the Washington Independent’s David Weigel recently. “You could not get a certificate saying you were born in Honolulu. The state has to verify a fact like that for it to appear on the certificate.”


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted December 14, 2009 @ 7:36 pm

” There is a real difference!”

No, there isn’t. Your pathetic, bigoted ranting and paranoid delusions are irrelevant.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted December 14, 2009 @ 7:38 pm

“There is a difference between the two documents.”

No, there isn’t. Your pathetic, cowardly, bigoted ranting and paranoid delusions are irrelevant.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted December 14, 2009 @ 10:37 pm

STATEMENT BY HEALTH DIRECTOR CHIYOME FUKINO, M.D.
“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawai?i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai‘i State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai‘i and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago.”


ellid
Comment posted December 14, 2009 @ 11:31 pm

Posted and debunked in other threads. Sorry.


ellid
Comment posted December 14, 2009 @ 11:32 pm

Quit repeating yourself.


katahdin
Comment posted December 15, 2009 @ 3:26 pm

Good luck getting “body language” admitted at evidence in court. Courts don't even accept lie detector test results.


katahdin
Comment posted December 15, 2009 @ 3:40 pm

You do realize that “not subject to any foreign power” means not possessing diplomatic immunity?

Every person within the borders of the US is subject to the jurisdiction of the US, except those individuals possessing diplomatic immunity and their immediate families. Citizenship is not an issue. Illegal immigrants are in prison in this country because they broke our laws; they were subject to American law.

Barack Obama Sr. was not a diplomat. He was in this country on a student visa. He was subject to our laws; if he had broken any of our laws, he would have been liable to prosecution.
The citizenship of President Obama's father is not at issue. According to the Constitution, the Supreme Court, the State of Hawaii, and our federal statutes, President Obama is a natural born citizen of the United States of America, and since he was duly elected, is our lawful, legitimate, and seriously good-looking President of the United States.


HRCin2012
Comment posted December 15, 2009 @ 4:42 pm

So…once we see the original BC & college records we can put this birther nonsense behind us. The fake raft-registration & multiple SSNs are really non-issues.


euphgeek
Comment posted December 16, 2009 @ 1:48 am

Sure, just get us President Bush's combat records showing exactly what he was doing in those missing months in Alabama and we'll get right on it.


euphgeek
Comment posted December 16, 2009 @ 1:48 am

Sure, just get us President Bush's combat records showing exactly what he was doing in those missing months in Alabama and we'll get right on it.


gchavez
Comment posted December 16, 2009 @ 6:26 pm

Rep. John A. Bingham commenting on Section 1992 said it means “every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen.” (Cong. Globe, 39th, 1st Sess., 1291 (1866))

If the natural father is of foreign alien status, his allegiance is owed to the respective foreign sovereignty of origin. His offspring are not be defined as “Natural Born” U.S. Citizen. Notwithstanding, the offspring is defined as “Native Born” U.S. Citizen.


RedGraham
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 1:45 am

If the Obama produced whatever Birth Certificate he mentions “looking at” on page 26 of “Dreams of My Father” and released his Occidental & Columbia college records us birthers would really have nothing else to say.


Ishmael
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 3:18 am

Obama is a privileged African-American, who has not shared the black American experience. By birth, blood and training, he was a Muslim, who became a member of a Marxist, Black-African church. He is a socialist whose politics are rooted in Marx and whose methods were conceived by the communist, Alinsky. He is a master at shaping his own mythology and completely unqualified to be Commander in Chief. He is not now, nor ever has been, a “natural born citizen” — he was, at birth, a British subject and citizen of Kenya — a fact published on his own website.
He has lived for almost 50 years without leaving any footprints — none! There is no Obama documentation — no records — no bona fides — no paper trail — nothing! — and he's got an army of lawyers making sure it stays that way — and the unflattering stuff, out there in the world and on the Internet — it's systematically disappearing down the rabbit hole. from theobamafile


Ishmael
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 4:14 am

Michelle's words:“African Press International is supposed to support Africans and African-American view,” she reportedly said.“It is strange that API has chosen to support the racists against my husband. There is no shame in being adopted by a stepfather. All dirt has been thrown onto my husband’s face and yet he loves this country. My husband and I know that there is no law that will stop him from becoming the president, just because some American white racists are bringing up the issue of my husband’s adoption by his stepfather. The important thing here is where my husband’s heart is at the moment. I can tell the American people that my husband loves this country and his adoption never changed his love for this country. He was born in Hawaii, yes, and that gives him all the right to be an American citizen even though he was adopted by a foreigner .”


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 10:05 pm

His natural born status has been confirmed, College records are noyfb.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 10:06 pm

Irrelevant.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 10:07 pm

Irrelevant.


katahdin
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 10:50 pm

Fake interview. Debunked a long time ago. Funny how birthers keep repeating nonsense over and over again even when they know perfectly well that it is a lie.
Stop lying, liar.


katahdin
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 10:52 pm

And exactly what would “Muslim blood” look like? Is it green? Is there Christian blood?
Idiot birther.


katahdin
Comment posted December 17, 2009 @ 10:56 pm

How many times are you going to post the same misspelled cut-and-paste nonsense? If you post it a thousand times, it will still be nonsense.


gchavez
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 1:03 am

For Immediate Release: October 31, 2008 08-93

STATEMENT BY DR. CHIYOME FUKINO

“There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate. State law (Hawai‘i Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record.

“Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.

“No state official, including Governor Linda Lingle, has ever instructed that this vital record be handled in a manner different from any other vital record in the possession of the State of Hawai‘i.”
###
Please note how this original statement is carefully “Lawyered” on 10-31-2009


gchavez
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 1:04 am

Link to Press Release by Dr, Fukino
http://www.hi5deposit.com/health/about/pr/2008/…


gchavez
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 1:16 am

Why was Michelle Obama disbarred in 1993 by the Illinois ARDC? (this is NOT the Illinois Bar-where one can voluntarily be inactive) As the name implies, the ARDC is the agency of the Supreme Court of Illinois which registers attorneys and investigates complaints of misconduct filed against attorneys holding a license to practice law in Illinois.


euphgeek
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 11:09 am

For Immediate Release: July 27, 2009

STATEMENT BY CHIYOME LEINAALA FUKINO M.D.

“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawai?i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai'i State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai'i and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago.”

http://hawaii.gov/health/about/pr/2009/09-063.pdf


euphgeek
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 11:38 am

Full Licensed Name: Michelle Obama
Full Former name(s): Michelle Lavaughn Robinson
Date of Admission as Lawyer by Illinois Supreme Court: May 12, 1989
Registered Business Address: Not available online
Registered Business Phone: Not available online
Illinois Registration Status: Voluntarily inactive and not authorized to practice law
Malpractice Insurance: (Current as of date of registration;
consult attorney for further information) No malpractice report required as attorney is on court ordered inactive status.
Public Record of Discipline and Pending Proceedings: None

Source: https://www.iardc.org/ldetail.asp?id=209978164
————————————

“Voluntarily inactive and not authorized to practice law”

Yet another nirther lie.

Oops.


katahdin
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 1:37 pm

Combat records? Ole Georgie was too chicken to ever go into any combat situation.


euphgeek
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 4:10 pm

I think they may be called combat records regardless of whether he was actually in combat. I could be mistaken, though.


katahdin
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 11:44 pm

Well, anyone who would support crazy Alan Keyes for president could be convinced of anything.


ReddGraeme
Comment posted December 19, 2009 @ 2:01 am

If the Obama produced whatever Birth Certificate he mentions “looking at” on page 26 of “Dreams of My Father” and released his Occidental & Columbia college records us birthers would really have nothing else to say.


HRCin2012
Comment posted December 19, 2009 @ 2:59 am

Check this out! The Charleton Case is scheduled for Jan.4, 2010. Let us pray the truth will come out!
“Obama traveled to Pakistan as a young student. He says his family was poor. He does not appear to have had jobs while in college. Where did the money come from for Obama to travel around the world to Pakistan as a college student? Who paid? Obama refuses to answer.
“Obama refuses to release his original, typewritten 1961 birth certificate; he has only issued a laser-printed sheet from a Hawai’i state database. He refuses to release his Occidental College records, his Columbia University records and his Harvard Law School records.

“The documents we are seeking are the original source material of American history. Whether you love or hate Obama, he is now an important figure in American history. Documents related to him and his early life are part of our national archives, especially when, for example, his mysterious trip to Pakistan as a college student could shed light on his latest policy revisions concerning Pakistan and Afghanistan. What is Obama trying to cover up in his past? What happened in Pakistan when he went there as a student, who paid for him to go there, and why was he there at a time of internal upheaval in that nation?


katahdin
Comment posted December 19, 2009 @ 11:18 am

President Obama has never said his family was poor, and there is not a shred of credible (non crazy) evidence that President Obama is hiding anything about his life. The reason you know that he went to Pakistan is that he disclosed it himself. If he hadn't talked about it, you would never know.
By the way, I don't believe for a moment that you are a Hillary supporter because Hillary supporter tend not to be evidence-averse nutbags. I know because I supported Hillary, and even if she wasn't Secretary of State, she would never have anything to do with birtherism.


katahdin
Comment posted December 19, 2009 @ 11:22 am

Michelle Obama never, ever said any of the above. It was debunked during the campaign. You really should stop posting lies, but since you are a birther, lies are your default position.


ellid
Comment posted December 20, 2009 @ 8:49 am

FOURTH time you've cut and pasted the same post.

Have you found your wife's tribal ID, daughter's birth records, and daughter's boyfriend's church membership and police record yet? Still waiting.


ellid
Comment posted December 20, 2009 @ 8:51 am

FIFTH time you've cut and pasted the same post.

Have you found your wife's tribal ID, daughter's birth records, and daughter's boyfriend's church membership and police record yet? Well? What are you hiding?


ellid
Comment posted December 20, 2009 @ 8:52 am

Muslims don't trace religion via descent.


HRCin2012
Comment posted December 21, 2009 @ 12:29 am

It has been reported that Mr&Mrs Obama vistited Kenya over summer of '61 break from college and Stannie was not allowed to board the 4-engine propjob for a trip over the Pacific due to her obvious late-stage of pregnancy w/baby Barack. Hence BHO2 was born in Kenya just like it says on 2 Kenyan BCs and in 3 African newspapers. Granny Obama & the Kenyan Ambassador both verbally agreed with that report. But even if the Obama was born in Hawaii he was born a Brit under British Common Law and at best a dual-citizen under U.S. Code. He could not have been a natural-born citizen due to his mother being under 19YO. Later he became an Indonesian and attended college as a Foreign Student.


RedGraham
Comment posted December 21, 2009 @ 3:14 am

Using the term “birther” in a condescending, Orwellian manner to discredit decent, hard working Americans who believe that the US Constitution is the law of the land, will not be tolerated.
1. Barack Obama has employed a legion of private and government attorneys to prevent revealing his country of birth. Innocent and eligible persons seeking the office of president do not do that.
2. Barack Obama’s father was a citizen of Kenya and a British citizen. “natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution” was explicitly written to deal with the issue of foreign allegiances at the time of the writing of the US Constitution.
3. Barack Obama’s citizenship and allegiance was further tainted when he was adopted by his stepfather Lolo Soetoro and Obama became an Indonesian citizen.
4. Some combination of the above allowed Obama to travel to Pakistan in 1981 when travel there was restricted to US citizens.
5. The only document presented by the Obama camp is a Hawaii COLB. There has been no substantiation that it is authentic and it does not establish country of birth. As Lou Dobbs stated, “It is a piece of paper that refers to another piece of paper.”
6. All other documentation, all school records, that would establish country of birth have been kept hidden and restricted.
7. No authentic documentation has been presented to establish that Barack Obama was born in the US.
8. The records of all hospitals in Hawaii have been searched. There is no record of Stanley Ann Obama ever having given birth to a child.
9. Barack Obama’s paternal grandmother in Kenya has stated on multiple occasions that she was present at Obama’s birth in Mombasa.
10. Others have stated, including multiple family members, officials and press, that Obama was born in Kenya.
This has been presented in a manner that a fifth grader can understand. However, if you have any questions, please contact me on this blog.
Failure to learn more about and understand this critical issue and take appropriate measures can only be construed as apathy, ignorance or having an un American agenda. This includes the Mainstream Media and the Fox network.


Palin4Prez
Comment posted December 21, 2009 @ 4:10 am

from the Washington Times 30 Nov 2009: This “The 3 Enablers” ad shows us who are the three enablers in our American system of government who are permitting Obama's usurpation of the Office of the Presidency in violation of Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 of the U.S. Constitution. Obama was born a British Subject under British Nationality Laws since his father was a British Subject in 1961 and was only visiting the USA. Obama's father was never a U.S. Citizen, nor even an immigrant to the USA. Just like McCain is a U.S. Citizen because when he was born in Panama his father was a U.S. Citizen, Obama was a British Subject when born since his father was a British Subject. How can a person who is born a British Subject ever be considered a “natural born Citizen” of the USA? The answer is simple, he cannot. The founders of our Republic and the framers of our Constitution intended that a “natural born” Citizen is without any doubt a person born in the country to parents who are both Citizens of the country when their child is born. That was also confirmed in a U.S. Supreme Court decision in 1874 named Minor vs Happersett. Most American citizens are natural born Citizens. Obama's father was never a Citizen of the USA. Thus, Obama is NOT a “natural born Citizen” of the USA.


RedGraham
Comment posted December 21, 2009 @ 5:48 pm

Once the Obama's original Birth Certificate and college records are released those crazy birthers won't really have anything left to base their conspiracy theory on.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted December 21, 2009 @ 11:18 pm

Spewing on Topix and anywhere you can post your dysentery doesn't make your delusional lies anything else. Same for your alter egos.

You're wrong. You're a loser. You're desperate and pathetic.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted December 21, 2009 @ 11:18 pm

You're desperate and pathetic.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted December 21, 2009 @ 11:19 pm

Barack H. Obama is the 44th President of the United States.

His story is the American story — values from the heartland, a middle-class upbringing in a strong family, hard work and education as the means of getting ahead, and the conviction that a life so blessed should be lived in service to others.

With a father from Kenya and a mother from Kansas, President Obama was born in Hawaii on August 4, 1961. He was raised with help from his grandfather, who served in Patton's army, and his grandmother, who worked her way up from the secretarial pool to middle management at a bank.

More here: http://www.whitehouse.gov/administration/presid…


ReddGraeme
Comment posted December 22, 2009 @ 10:36 am

from The Washington Times 11/30/09 The three enablers of Obama's usurpation of the Office of the President of the United States in violation of Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 of the U.S. Constitution. The Congress will not look at or investigate the merits of the charges. The Courts will not hear in a trial the merits of the charges. And the Main Stream Media will not talk about the merits of the charges and discuss the Constitutional issues involved with the American people. Their ignoring the questions and concerns of the People in this matter endangers our liberty by demonstrating that those in power, once in power feel they do not have to listen to the People.
Obama, the Putative U. S. President, was born a Kenyan citizen and British subject governed by the British Nationality Act of 1948 — a fact he admits to at the bottom of this page. Obama is still a British Protected Person and/or a British subject to this day.
How can a person who was born a British subject be considered a “natural born” citizen of the USA?
Simple answer — he can't. At the top of this page, in the big blue box, Obama's own campaign identifies him as a “native [born]” citizen. They know. It's been there all the time.
This situation was created when both major political parties ran ineligible candidates, who were not “natural born” citizens. Obama was ineligible because his father was a foreigner (Jus sanguinis), and McCain was ineligible because he was born in a foreign country (Jus soli). The U. S Constitution, applicable case law and historical and legal precedent have been ignored for political expediency.
We are now witnessing the biggest political cover-up in American history.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted December 22, 2009 @ 12:46 pm

Changing your nick and continuing your pathetic lies is a desperate cry for help.

You don't deserve it. You're a useless idiot and a waste of DNA.

“How can a person who was born a British subject be considered a “natural born” citizen of the USA?
Simple answer — he can't.”

Simple is you. And you're wrong. And your birfer nonsense is irrelevant.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted December 22, 2009 @ 12:48 pm

Birther lie of the year

Orly Taitz’s claim that she had birth certificate showing Barack Obama was born in Kenya earned a respectable third place in this year’s Politifact.com Lie of the Year contest. (Politifact.com is the fact checking group from the St. Petersburg Times newspaper.)

The winner was Sarah Palin’s Facebook comment:

“[Seniors and the disabled] will have to stand in front of Obama’s ‘death panel’ so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their ‘level of productivity in society,’ whether they are worthy of health care.”

http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2009/12/birther-…


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted December 22, 2009 @ 12:50 pm

You deserve derision for spreading pathetic, treasonous lies. You are a coward.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted December 22, 2009 @ 12:52 pm

Bullshit. You're a liar and a coward.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted December 22, 2009 @ 12:53 pm

The DOH officials have credibility. You are a pathetic, delusional coward with no credibility.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted December 22, 2009 @ 12:59 pm

Why you were you convicted of child molestation (as long as baseless lies are allowed) ?


gchavez
Comment posted December 22, 2009 @ 6:09 pm

The indisputable fact is that Obama has not released his birth certificate, which the state of Hawaii issues for all citizens born there.

Instead, his campaign has released only his certification of live birth from the state of Hawaii, which is a document that offers a summarized version of the birth certificate.

During the 2008 presidential campaign, GOP nominee Sen. John McCain quickly released his birth certificate when liberal bloggers raised questions about his eligibility to be president. McCain was born at a military hospital in Panama.
Obama likewise could put the matter to rest by releasing his actual birth certificate, which would show, among other things, the place of his birth and the doctor who performed the birth procedure. This information is not provided on the certification of live birth.

As it stands, Obama is the only president in history whose exact birthplace is unknown to the public – a fact that would be stated on the actual birth certificate. Interestingly, his family has mentioned two different hospitals in Hawaii as the place of birth.

Can anyone tell me which hospital will be bestowed the honor of receiving a “National Commemorative Plaque” marking the actual birthplace of the 44th POTUS???


gchavez
Comment posted December 22, 2009 @ 6:20 pm

Values from the heartland do not include perpetrating a fraud and a hoax…

Original, vault copy birth certificate — Not released
Certification of Live Birth — Released — Counterfeit
Obama/Dunham marriage license — Not released
Obama/Dunham divorce — Released (by independent investigators)
Kindergarten records — Records lost by State of Hawaii
Soetoro/Dunham marriage license — Not released
Soetoro adoption records — Not released
Fransiskus Assisi School School application — Released (by independent investigators)
Punahou School records — Not released
Soetoro/Dunham divorce — Released (by independent investigators)
Selective Service Registration — Released — Under suspicion
Social Security Number — Under suspicion
Occidental College records — Not released
Passport — Not released and records scrubbed clean by Obama's terrorism and intelligence adviser
Columbia College records — Not released
Columbia thesis — “Soviet Nuclear Disarmament” — Not released
Harvard College records — Not released
Harvard Law Review articles — None
Illinois Bar Records — Not released.
Baptism certificate — None
Medical records — Not released
Illinois State Senate records — None
Illinois State Senate schedule — Lost
Law practice client list — Not released
University of Chicago scholarly articles — None

The Illinois State Archives told Judicial Watch that they never received any request from then Senator Obama to archive any records in his possession. In 2007, Obama told Tim Russert that his records were “not kept.”

And there's less on the web every day. In time, the entire Obama body of knowledge will consist of 3 documents — “Dreams From My Father” — “The Audacity of Hope” — and the latest — “Change We Can Believe In” — all written by Barack Hussein Obama or his “ghost-writers.”

Just an accident? I don't think so.


gchavez
Comment posted December 22, 2009 @ 6:24 pm

If Barry is not a fraud, then why isn't he transparent as he promised??

Original, vault copy birth certificate — Not released
Certification of Live Birth — Released — Counterfeit
Obama/Dunham marriage license — Not released
Obama/Dunham divorce — Released (by independent investigators)
Kindergarten records — Records lost by State of Hawaii
Soetoro/Dunham marriage license — Not released
Soetoro adoption records — Not released
Fransiskus Assisi School School application — Released (by independent investigators)
Punahou School records — Not released
Soetoro/Dunham divorce — Released (by independent investigators)
Selective Service Registration — Released — Under suspicion
Social Security Number — Under suspicion
Occidental College records — Not released
Passport — Not released and records scrubbed clean by Obama's terrorism and intelligence adviser
Columbia College records — Not released
Columbia thesis — “Soviet Nuclear Disarmament” — Not released
Harvard College records — Not released
Harvard Law Review articles — None
Illinois Bar Records — Not released.
Baptism certificate — None
Medical records — Not released
Illinois State Senate records — None
Illinois State Senate schedule — Lost
Law practice client list — Not released
University of Chicago scholarly articles — None

The Illinois State Archives told Judicial Watch that they never received any request from then Senator Obama to archive any records in his possession. In 2007, Obama told Tim Russert that his records were “not kept.”

And there's less on the web every day. In time, the entire Obama body of knowledge will consist of 3 documents — “Dreams From My Father” — “The Audacity of Hope” — and the latest — “Change We Can Believe In” — all written by Barack Hussein Obama or his “ghost-writers.”

Just an accident? I don't think so.


katahdin
Comment posted December 22, 2009 @ 8:37 pm

We know President Obama's place of birth. He was born in Honolulu, Hawaii on August 4, 1961 at 7:24pm. Since the only thing necessary to prove natural born citizenship is proof that the person was born in the USA, and the state of Hawaii has confirmed that President Obama was born in Hawaii, there is nothing else anyone need to know.


euphgeek
Comment posted December 23, 2009 @ 12:53 am

Where's the national commemorative plaque for George W. Bush? Bill Clinton? George H. W. Bush? Ronald Reagan? Jimmy Carter? Once you find all of those, we'll tell you which hospital will receive the one for Obama.


RedGraham
Comment posted December 23, 2009 @ 1:23 am

So what your trying to tell us is that a pregnant English woman could come here on vacation without her husband, have the kid in a U.S. hospital & that kid would be a natural-born U.S. citizen? Or do you mean native-born?


euphgeek
Comment posted December 23, 2009 @ 5:08 am

This has been gone over many times. Why should any of us repeat ourselves except to say that the proof that Obama is a natural born U.S. citizen is right here:

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in…
http://hawaii.gov/health/about/pr/2009/09-063.pdf
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article…
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article…
http://snopes.com/politics/obama/citizen.asp
http://snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertifica…


gchavez
Comment posted December 23, 2009 @ 5:11 pm

Then why does B.O.'s own website refer to B.O. as native born??


gchavez
Comment posted December 23, 2009 @ 5:32 pm

Ronald Reagan's birthplace, a second-story apartment over what was once a small-town tavern in Tampico, Ill., is today marked by a museum. John Adams' birthplace is a national park. Even Rutherford B. Hayes, whose birthplace is today covered over by a BP gas station, merits a metal plaque commemorating the location.

But while most of America's 44 presidents have tourist attractions or monuments of some kind marking their birthplaces, Obama – for several reasons – may not be granted the honor.


katahdin
Comment posted December 23, 2009 @ 5:44 pm

Birthers are number than a pounded thumb. Natural born and native born are synonyms. That mean they're the SAME DAMN THING.


katahdin
Comment posted December 23, 2009 @ 5:46 pm

YES


ellid
Comment posted December 23, 2009 @ 10:20 pm

And Calvin Coolidge's last residence, a duplex apartment house in Northampton, Massachusetts, is NOT marked by a plaque, nor is the place where John Quincy Adams used to skinny dip in the Potomac until a reported wanting an interview sat on his clothes. So what?


ellid
Comment posted December 23, 2009 @ 10:20 pm

Yep! And what of it?


ellid
Comment posted December 23, 2009 @ 10:21 pm

This is the third variation this moron has used. Of course he thinks he's being clever….


gchavez
Comment posted December 24, 2009 @ 12:42 am

What is “Natural Born”?? – Under the laws of nature, every child born requires no act of law to establish the fact the child inherits through nature his/her father’s citizenship as well as his name (or even his property) through birth. This law of nature is also recognized by law of nations. Sen. Howard said the citizenship clause under the Fourteenth Amendment was by virtue of “natural law and national law.”

The advantages of Natural Law is competing allegiances between nations are avoided, or at least with those nations whose custom is to not make citizens of other countries citizens without their consent. Any alternations or conflicts due to a child’s natural citizenship are strictly a creature of local municipal law. In the year 1866, the United States for the first time adopted a local municipal law under Sec. 1992 of U.S. Revised Statutes that read: “All persons born in the United States and not subject to any foreign power, excluding Indians not taxed, are declared to be citizens of the United States.”

Rep. John A. Bingham commenting on Section 1992 said it means “every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen.” (Cong. Globe, 39th, 1st Sess., 1291 (1866) Obama Sr., was at the time a British Subjet, therefore owing his allegiance not to America.


GunnyRed
Comment posted December 24, 2009 @ 12:50 am

Obama is NOT an Article II Natural Born Citizen and therefore is NOT eligible to be President. This is the biggest political cover-up in U.S. History.
see Kerchner et al v. Obama & Congress et al
visit http://www.protectourliberty.org
phone 732.521-1900


Ishmael
Comment posted December 24, 2009 @ 4:08 am

BRIEFS DUE BY JANUARY 4TH, 2010
by John Charlton
(Nov. 25, 2009)— The long process of appealing the ruling of Judge Jerome B. Simandle, who dismissed the case of Kerchner et al. vs. Obama & Congress has begun. The Federal 3rd Circuit Court of Appeals in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, has set the due date for the filing of briefs of the appellants in the case: January 4th, 2010.
Commander Charles F. Kerchner, Jr., USNR Retired, issued a public statement regarding the announcement: We look forward to moving ahead with this very important constitutional case along the legal pathway to the ultimate decision maker for this historic and precedence setting lawsuit, the U.S. Supreme Court. They will determine the answer to the pressing legal question of what is a “natural born Citizen” of the USA per Article II constitutional standards and did Obama and the U.S. Congress violate the Constitution and statutory laws and my constitutional rights during the 2008 election cycle. And, the Supreme Court will also be asked to refer their legal definition to Congress to determine if Obama meets that legal ruled definition. I say Obama does not meet the founders and framers intent for the Article II
eligibility clause. I say Obama is a deceiver and a usurper.


Irish_Wake
Comment posted December 24, 2009 @ 10:44 am

Folks, you have got to see this! protectourliberty bought advertising space in the Washington Times to parse 'native born' v. 'natural born'. Then protectourliberty references the Washington Times as a source on their web page.

This is an example of circular logicl.
It is incapable of proving anything.


ellid
Comment posted December 24, 2009 @ 1:31 pm

As usual, wrong, and as usual, not a hint that your actually have a multiracial family instead of a bunch of undereducated, insecure whites who hate anyone darker than themselves because they fear being displaced.


ellid
Comment posted December 24, 2009 @ 1:33 pm

Obama's birth certificate was released over a year ago. As for this alleged plaque, I doubt they will let you into a delivery room at Kapiolani Hospital to spew your filth.


ellid
Comment posted December 24, 2009 @ 1:35 pm

Who is this Charlton fellow, and why should I care?


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted December 24, 2009 @ 2:43 pm

You are and will die an idiot.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted December 24, 2009 @ 2:44 pm

Go fuck yourself, traitor. Enjoy federal prison.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted December 24, 2009 @ 2:45 pm

As it turns out, you're a lying freak.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted December 24, 2009 @ 2:49 pm

You're full of shit.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted December 24, 2009 @ 2:51 pm

Explain the exact etymology of “chavez” and why you're a paranoid, pedantic asshole?


RedGraham
Comment posted December 24, 2009 @ 4:44 pm

Barack – you have to step up, grow a spine, and confront this idiocy like a man. We can make all the circumstantial arguments we want, but you’re the only one that has the irrefutable proof – so the responsibility for the growth of the birther movement is all yours. From here on out, you can do what you wish about it, but if you keep all of those records sealed, we will call it what is – a political ploy to ensure that you have the birthers as an issue in 2012. And if indeed there is no long-form birth certificate due to some accident or clerical error, at least open up the rest of the records (like your college grades) as a show of good faith.


gchavez
Comment posted December 24, 2009 @ 7:51 pm

You are irrelevant


gchavez
Comment posted December 24, 2009 @ 7:54 pm

The indisputable fact is that Obama has not released his birth certificate, which the state of Hawaii issues for all citizens born there.

Instead, his campaign has released only his certification of live birth from the state of Hawaii, which is a document that offers a summarized version of the birth certificate.

During the 2008 presidential campaign, GOP nominee Sen. John McCain quickly released his birth certificate when liberal bloggers raised questions about his eligibility to be president. McCain was born at a military hospital in Panama.
Obama likewise could put the matter to rest by releasing his actual birth certificate, which would show, among other things, the place of his birth and the doctor who performed the birth procedure. This information is not provided on the certification of live birth.

As it stands, Obama is the only president in history whose exact birthplace is unknown to the public – a fact that would be stated on the actual birth certificate. Interestingly, his family has mentioned two different hospitals in Hawaii as the place of birth.

Can anyone tell me which hospital will be bestowed the honor of receiving a “National Commemorative Plaque” marking the actual birthplace of the 44th POTUS???


gchavez
Comment posted December 24, 2009 @ 7:55 pm

As it is you are irrelevant


gchavez
Comment posted December 24, 2009 @ 8:00 pm

You're full of nonsense, irrelevant gibberish


gchavez
Comment posted December 24, 2009 @ 8:06 pm

This board is for the intellectual discussion of Barry's etymology and derivation of his genuine eligibilty or lack there of. I don't believe anyone cares about your's or mine.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted December 24, 2009 @ 10:59 pm

http://www.topix.com/forum/news/2008-presidenti…

“DE@TH to BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA alias BARRY SOETORO |||||||”

Copied from Topix.com

Is this a felony or protected hate speech?


euphgeek
Comment posted December 25, 2009 @ 12:12 am

So you could give the location of the commemorative plaque for only one of the presidents on my list? Sorry, but no dice. But if they do someday decide to put up a plaque at Kapi'olani Medical Center, will it convince you he was born there?


ellid
Comment posted December 25, 2009 @ 11:10 am

I think the Secret Service will be paying the poster a visit in the near future.


ellid
Comment posted December 25, 2009 @ 11:11 am

Fifth cut and paste. Don't you have better things to do on Christmas, like show off your wonderful multicultural family as proof that you aren't a bitter old redneck in a trailer park?


ellid
Comment posted December 25, 2009 @ 11:12 am

Yet another cut and paste that has been debunked at length elsewhere. Why are you even bothering? You're wrong and you know it.


ellid
Comment posted December 25, 2009 @ 11:13 am

No, that would be you and your fellow birthers, who are a perfect example of the stupidity of conspiracy theorists.


ellid
Comment posted December 25, 2009 @ 11:14 am

Why do you persist in posting things that you do not understand?


gchavez
Comment posted December 25, 2009 @ 1:54 pm

Now if Barry Soetoro AKA Obama would only quit hiding his vital records and make them public…after all didn't he promise to be transparent?? Or was that just another lie??

Original, vault copy birth certificate — Not released
Certification of Live Birth — Released — Counterfeit
Obama/Dunham marriage license — Not released
Obama/Dunham divorce — Released (by independent investigators)
Kindergarten records — Records lost by State of Hawaii
Soetoro/Dunham marriage license — Not released
Soetoro adoption records — Not released
Fransiskus Assisi School application — Released (by independent investigators)
Punahou School records — Not released
Soetoro/Dunham divorce — Released (by independent investigators)
Selective Service Registration — Released — Under suspicion
Social Security Number — Under suspicion
Occidental College records — Not released
Passport — Not released and records scrubbed clean by Obama's terrorism and intelligence adviser
Columbia College records — Not released
Columbia thesis — “Soviet Nuclear Disarmament” — Not released
Harvard College records — Not released
Harvard Law Review articles — None
Illinois Bar Records — Not released.
Baptism certificate — None
Medical records — Not released
Illinois State Senate records — None
Illinois State Senate schedule — Lost
Law practice client list — Not released
University of Chicago scholarly articles – None

So much for being transparent…or Just an accident? I don't think so.


ellid
Comment posted December 26, 2009 @ 12:08 am

Sixth cut and paste. As I've said before, same shit, different day.


ellid
Comment posted December 26, 2009 @ 12:09 am

In the larger scheme of things, birtherism is irrelevant.


RedGraham
Comment posted December 26, 2009 @ 2:50 am

Obviously you don't. And your postings have NO substance other than to detract from the issue at hand(not the joke in your hand). My postings have a purpose to keep this fraudulant president on the hotseat reference his citizenship. Its like your worried about something…hmmn


RedGraham
Comment posted December 26, 2009 @ 2:52 am

Because his Kenyan Citizenship was still in effect in 1983, Obama may still be a Kenyan Citizen. Neither the President nor any of his surrogates have addressed this issue. Locate where he legally changed his name to Barack H. Obama? It is fraud to run for and serve as President under an “alias” name. What about Soetoro/Obama's Indonesian citizenship? We have the school record, which Soetoro/Obama has admitted too.Obama released two (2) forged images of a Certification of Live Birth, claiming it to be his birth certificate. The Hawaii Health Department has NEVER verified the images placed on the internet. Law 101: No agency or person can look at an online image and state the document came from their agency or location, unless the person making such statement was the one who personally printed the document in question (Soetoro/Obama's Certification of Live Birth in this case) and handed it to Soetoro/Obama and can prove it is in fact the same document. If in fact Soetoro/Obama was a U.S. “natural born” citizen and eligible to serve as our United States President, why in the world would he spend in excess of a million dollars litigating these cases instead of just proving his citizenship status? because Soetoro/Obama can't.
See: http://obamacrimes.com/
and theobamafile


HRCin2012
Comment posted December 26, 2009 @ 4:02 am

FROM TODAYS paper: Obama was born a British subject, and remains either a British Overseas Citizen or a Commonwealth Citizen, that is, in either case, a British subject even today — that is, if his birth story is true. He was also a citizen of Kenya prior to age 21, and may still be one. He seems also to have been a citizen of Indonesia from 1966-1980’s, but his Indonesian citizenship status is uncertain.


katahdin
Comment posted December 26, 2009 @ 2:47 pm

The above is a pack of lies.


katahdin
Comment posted December 26, 2009 @ 2:49 pm

A real man doesn't respond to stupid, crazy people. A real man just does his job. That's our president.


katahdin
Comment posted December 26, 2009 @ 2:51 pm

People to put the phrase “hmmm” in a comment are uniformly, lying douchebags.


katahdin
Comment posted December 26, 2009 @ 2:52 pm

Saying something does not make it so; this is not Alice in Wonderland.


katahdin
Comment posted December 26, 2009 @ 2:53 pm

I wondered who was keeping the Moonie Times in business.


katahdin
Comment posted December 26, 2009 @ 2:53 pm

I wondered who was keeping the Moonie Times in business.


ellid
Comment posted December 26, 2009 @ 4:51 pm

Sorry, but the roll of Scott's in my bathroom is not “today's paper.”


ellid
Comment posted December 26, 2009 @ 4:52 pm

No, it's because I still want to see proof, in the form of your wife's tribal ID, your Korea daughter (with a Japanese) name's birth certificate, and any proof that her boyfriend was in a gang, repented, and joined a church. What are you hiding, and why?

As for lack of substance, look in the mirror.


ellid
Comment posted December 26, 2009 @ 4:54 pm

Not one thing that you, Gunny/Redd/Red, NC, or any other birther has posted can be called “intellectual.”


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted December 27, 2009 @ 4:10 am

You're an idiot.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted December 27, 2009 @ 4:11 am

Gary Kreep, is that you or your whore?


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted December 27, 2009 @ 4:13 am

Which other US President did you apply the same standard, you bigoted piece of shiit?


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted December 27, 2009 @ 4:13 am

You really are a one tot show.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted December 27, 2009 @ 4:15 am

You are losing it, asshole.

“Its like your worried about something.”

Yes. Literacy.


ellid
Comment posted December 27, 2009 @ 9:04 am

Totally wrong. Once again, here is the relevant section from the Kenyan Department of Immigration web site:

“What should a child born in Kenya of mixed parentage( i.e. a Kenyan and a foreigner) do to become Kenyan?

“The child holds dual citizenship up to the age of 21 years and will have to renounce his claim to the other nationality before he turns 23 years old in order for him to remain a Kenyan citizen. “


Irish_Wake
Comment posted December 27, 2009 @ 11:17 am

What paper are you referring to?

The only place I find this statement is on an internet forum.


Palin4Prez
Comment posted December 28, 2009 @ 11:14 am

So basically it all still comes down to the original Birth Certificate & college records.


Shut Your Pie Hole
Comment posted December 28, 2009 @ 12:33 pm

No, it doesn't. You're a whiny, little p.o.s. with irrelevant demands.

College records are irrelevant to eligibility per the U.S. Constitution. Demands from identity thieves like you are why medical and school records are confidential.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted December 28, 2009 @ 12:36 pm

STATEMENT BY HEALTH DIRECTOR CHIYOME FUKINO, M.D.
“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawai?i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital
records maintained on file by the Hawai‘i State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama
was born in Hawai‘i and is a natural-born American citizen.”


ellid
Comment posted December 28, 2009 @ 12:46 pm

Third identical post. Why do I smell the redolent stench of NC/GC/BP/Gunny Red et al. arising from this ridiculous and long-debunking assertion?


Doc3
Comment posted December 28, 2009 @ 8:31 pm

This has never been directly about Obama. It is the Democratic National Committee that should be on trial here for their failure to vet Obama before they put his name on the primary ballot. Instead after mounting pressure Obama posted a photograph of a short form birth certificate that does not answer the vetting question that remains open to this day.

It is going to be interesting to see if Obama tries to run again in 2012. This will be waiting for him. Another round of law suits against Obama and the Democratic National Committee. Only this time the instant the forms appear the law suits will be filed and there will be no defense of mootness.

Someone needs to take Chiyome Fukino's deposition over her statement and have her produce the records she was referring to.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted December 28, 2009 @ 10:05 pm

You're a jackass. There is no short or long form.
Your cowardly assessment is irrelevant.


ellid
Comment posted December 28, 2009 @ 10:49 pm

If you truly think that the President wasn't vetted, you are living in a dream world. The *in-laws* of government employees are investigated to within an inch of their live, let alone the President.

Go find a useful hobby, like rolling bandages or knitting for the poor.


RedGraham
Comment posted December 29, 2009 @ 1:43 am

Courts are unwilling to deal with Usurper Obama and Congress absolutely refuses to act. (Despite receiving millions and millions of pleas that they seriously investigate this issue, which they haven't) In regards to calling Obama on his eligiblity, we have to look no further than the 10th Admendent: “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”


euphgeek
Comment posted December 29, 2009 @ 2:54 am

Yes, and thanks to the 10th Amendment Hawaii has the power to determine who is and is not a natural born U.S. citizen. They've determined that President Barack Hussein Obama II is a natural born U.S. citizen. Proof:

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in…
http://hawaii.gov/health/about/pr/2009/09-063.pdf
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article…
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article…
http://snopes.com/politics/obama/citizen.asp
http://snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertifica…

No nirther can respond to the above proof with anything but silence as it effectively debunks all of their arguments.


ellid
Comment posted December 29, 2009 @ 12:03 pm

Wrong again!

- The President is a natural born citizen.

- The “millions and millions of queries” were not made, as only a fraction of the population either knows or cares about this manufactured controversy.

- Removal of a President is reserved to Congress in the main body of the Constitution and is thus not subject to the 10th Amendment, as you would know if you'd bothered to read the whole text and not what Orly Taitz, Phil Berg, Andy Martin, et al. had selectively quoted.

Also, still waiting for proof that you're part of a multiracial family. That would go a long way to solving your credibility problem, you know. I keep wondering what you're hiding?


katahdin
Comment posted December 29, 2009 @ 3:08 pm

Greeting birther loons!
I just did a quick distance search on ask.com. The distance from Honolulu, Hawaii to Nairobi, Kenya equals about 10,741 miles. And that's not even including the trip it requires to get to Southwestern Kenya where the Obama clan resides.
So somebody please explain how a penniless 18 year-old girl, hugely pregnant, managed a wildly expensive airplane flight to the other side of the world and a three-day train trip southwestern Kenya, gave birth to a bouncing baby boy, then immediately travelled the opposite way to get back to Hawaii to register the baby's birth within days with the Hawaii Department of Health. Did she have a time machine, or was she secretly assisted by the super-scary worldwide black Muslim conspiracy to destroy Amurica and make all the white women have black babies, and cause the baby Jesus to cry, because we all know the baby Jesus is a true Amurican patriot who wears red, white and blue diapers?


HRCin2012
Comment posted December 30, 2009 @ 1:31 am

To become President of the United States for starters both of your parents must have been U.S. citizens and you must be born on U.S. soil.


RedGraham
Comment posted December 30, 2009 @ 1:51 am

And that is why you put it in your comment.


RedGraham
Comment posted December 30, 2009 @ 1:54 am

It was the one in Kenya Grandma Obama & the Kenyan ambassador referred to. It is listed on Obama's original BC in Attorney Dr. Taitz's possession. Word has it she paid as much to get it as Obama paid to keep it hidden.


Palin4Prez
Comment posted December 30, 2009 @ 2:46 am

You are so right. That is something I learned in nineth-grade Civics. The mere fact BHO2's father was a “transient alien” rules out any possibility of natural-born status. Even if Obama was born in Hawaii, as many prefer to believe, he could not qualfy to run for President of the U.S. plain and simple.


RedGraham
Comment posted December 30, 2009 @ 3:53 am

Why would attending college as a Foreign Student be irrelevant? Obama is an illegal-alien and needs to be deported.


Doc3
Comment posted December 30, 2009 @ 10:26 am

Wow, you are really out there. The issue is that due to the rampant immigration fraud in the 1960's in Hawaii there is a need to see the long form birth certificate to confirm if Obama was born in the hospital as he has claimed. That is only on the long form. So until the confirmation of that fact, or vetting as it is called, there is a question that remains open until Obama produces the long form, or the hospital records that prove he was born where he claims. There is the possibility, due to the lax laws in Hawaii in the 1960's, Obama's grandmother walked in and said little Obama popped out at the local bar and needs a birth certificate. Just on her signature the State of Hawaii would have issued it. The only way to determine if Obama was born in the hospital as he has claimed, or if he was issued a certificate of birth based on a voucher of a relative, is to produce the long form. So, the vetting process remains incomplete. If you have a statement from the Democratic National Committee stating they reviewed all of these record please produce them. In the meantime how do you explain the difference in these documents that were used to place Obama's name on the ballot:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_c3WtQv44wGc/Sp4O5_BKf…

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_c3WtQv44wGc/Sp4Rx6CcR…

Why do you think the Democratic party took out the language that Obama was legally qualified to hold the office? Why did they use that version to place Obama's name on the primary ballot?


Doc3
Comment posted December 30, 2009 @ 10:32 am

Nope, under the laws at the time the grandmother that lived in Hawaii only had to stroll into the health department and say little Obama popped out at the local bar and needs a birth certificate. Meanwhile little Obama could be anywhere in the world as there was no requirement to bring him in for verification. They did have telephones back in those days by the way.

On her word alone with no verification, the grandmother could get little Obama a certificate of birth. So, does the long form birth certificate confirm Obama's claim he was born in a specific hospital, or does it show that Obama's granny signed a voucher and got the certificate on her word with no verification or witness. No mystery, sorry.


Doc3
Comment posted December 30, 2009 @ 10:34 am

By the way your legal conclusion on the Tenth Amendment and the State's right to determine who is a natural born citizen is hilarious. Thanks for the laugh. So who in the State of Hawaii has made a ruling the One is a natural born citizen? Where are the records supporting that?


Doc3
Comment posted December 30, 2009 @ 10:35 am

I have seen a Unicorn fly. These two statements have equal validity. Dr. Fukino needs to be deposed and required to produce the records she is referring to.


katahdin
Comment posted December 30, 2009 @ 10:52 am

The governor of Hawaii has confirmed that President Obama was born in Hawaii. In addition there are two birth announcements based on state vital records, and a witness who talked to the doctor who delivered the president on the day he was born, in Hawaii.
Also, you should stop demeaning the character of President Obama's mother. He did not “pop out in a bar” he was born in a hospital with his father in attendence. All this portrayal of Ann Dunham as a whore is really racism of the baldest sort. The old “any white woman who has sex with a black man must be a slut” nonsense is an old and a painfully outdated relic of the Old South.
But what can one expect from the birther movement, which is wholly grounded in racist hatred?
Birther are truly the oogedy-boogedy people–scared of change, scared of anyone who doesn't look like them, scared of reality. Barack Obama just can't be president, because he doesn't look like you, so run away and live in your own reality. It's magical thinking and it never really works.


katahdin
Comment posted December 30, 2009 @ 10:56 am

That is not true according to the Constitution, federal law, and Supreme Court precedence going back 100 years.


katahdin
Comment posted December 30, 2009 @ 10:59 am

Where did you go to school, Wasilla, Alaska? Or maybe your school used one of those fundamentalist history books, edited by Lynn Cheney, that edit the Constitution to make it more religiously correct.


katahdin
Comment posted December 30, 2009 @ 11:00 am

Any evedence this occurred, at all?


euphgeek
Comment posted December 30, 2009 @ 12:56 pm

Hilarious to idiots maybe, but true nonetheless. I notice that you have not been able to refute my statement with anything resembling facts. And as you requested, all the proof supporting the fact that Obama is a natural born U.S. citizen is right here:

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in…
http://hawaii.gov/health/about/pr/2009/09-063.pdf
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article…
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article…
http://snopes.com/politics/obama/citizen.asp
http://snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertifica…


ellid
Comment posted December 30, 2009 @ 1:26 pm

First, it's “ninth,” not “nineth.”

Second, you couldn't have learned this in ninth grade unless you are being home schooled by Orly Taitz because it's not true now and never has been true.


ellid
Comment posted December 30, 2009 @ 1:27 pm

The only statement I agree with is that there is no mystery involved in the President's birth. He was born in Honolulu and is a natural born citizen. This has been public knowledge for over a year.


ellid
Comment posted December 30, 2009 @ 1:28 pm

Someone needs to up your meds.


ellid
Comment posted December 30, 2009 @ 1:29 pm

I am officially ruling that you are a troll, and almost certainly one of Gunny/Gummy/Red/Graham/Cracker's sock puppets.

Scram.


ellid
Comment posted December 30, 2009 @ 1:31 pm

Sorry, but the average Rainbow Brite fan is far too young to be posting here. Does your mother know you swiped the password to her computer?


ellid
Comment posted December 30, 2009 @ 1:31 pm

Please produce the proof that you are part of a multiracial family. Otherwise, shut up, you bitter old bigot, and take your sockpuppets with you.


oncewasbc
Comment posted December 30, 2009 @ 2:53 pm

“You are so right.”

Wow! You, a Sarah Palin supporter, actually agree with a supporter of Hillary Clinton? Could that be because you are the same person?

How do I know this? Simple. Click on the “face” to the right of the name. (You will note that both HRCin2012 and Palin4Prez are “guests”). Then click on the hypertext link for “View More Comments.” Look at the left side of the comments page: You will see that it lists “Names Used” by the same “guest”. What you will se is that one person has been posting (and posing) under multiple guest names, apparently in order to make it appear that there are more of birfers posting here than is actually the case. Here is what we find:

Names Used
GunnyRed
KitKat
Berftard4Life
M.O.
RPaulMD
Red Graham
HRCin2012
AndNowThis
MakethePieHigher
RedGrahm
reddgrahem
JWilkins
BillyBob
Keyes4Prez
ReddGraeme
Ishmael
Palin4Prez
RedGraham

All the same person. So, RedGraham, why do you feel the need to create fictional allies in the blogosphere? Is it because you know you are part of a tiny minority?


RedGraham
Comment posted December 30, 2009 @ 6:37 pm

Barack Hussein Obama aka Barry Soetoro has spent in excess of $1.8 million to defend lawsuits regarding his eligibility under the United States Constitution.
Bauer’s client Barack Hussein Obama aka Barry Soetoro might like to explain why he claims to have his original Birth Certificate. As mentioned in “Dreams of My Father” he claims finding his birth certificate.
On Page 26 of “Dreams of My Father”, Obama writes:
“I discovered this article, folded away among my birth certificate and old vaccination forms, when I was in high school,”
While this brief quote does not state WHAT article it is that Obama found, it does mention that he found it WITH his BIRTH CERTIFICATE. This would have been in the mid 70’s, so this birth certificate would not have been a computer generated document. So where is this original?
The forged COLB versions posted on the Fight the Smears and FactCheck web-sites are in no way what Barack Hussein Obama claimed to discover in that box, along with his vaccination forms. [Which by the way, I still have mine, along with my other documents that have been posted in my video’s on Youtube].
As Alan Keyes stated on CNN, segment included in my ‘Media and the Birthers Pt1 video, Barack Hussein Obama and legal crew are directing you to a photograph on the internet and hearsay statements that would not be accepted as evidence in any court of law.


RedGraham
Comment posted December 30, 2009 @ 6:38 pm

You forgot Make the pile higher


RedGraham
Comment posted December 30, 2009 @ 6:39 pm

You forgot Make the pile higher


RedGraham
Comment posted December 30, 2009 @ 6:40 pm

There is none so blind as those who will not see.


RedGraham
Comment posted December 30, 2009 @ 6:42 pm

The word you're looking for is “evidence”.


RedGraham
Comment posted December 30, 2009 @ 6:45 pm

Article II is over 200yrs old.


Doc3
Comment posted December 30, 2009 @ 8:23 pm

I am sorry you need psychological help asap. Do you have to wipe the spittle off the screen? This is not a “birther” issue, it is a vetting issue. The DNC did not do it and have tried to cover it up by having Obama produce a photograph to a website.The DNC has plausible deniability if evidence comes to light he is not qualified.

Obama is done in one. The DNC cannot risk that a challenge will expose that they did not vet Obama previously, or worse that they knew he was not qualified.

The instant Obama's name appears on a primary ballot there will be a law suit in every State, in Federal Court and it will be done to avoid the defense of mootness. The DNC would be destroyed by such a revelation and cannot risk it. So say good-bye to the One in 2012 as Obama will in effect take the Fifth and not run. They will dress it up to say for family reasons blah blah Obama will not run, and as things are going now there is not a snow balls chance in hell he would be re-elected anyway.


Doc3
Comment posted December 30, 2009 @ 8:26 pm

So, as I now read 8 U.S.C. § 1401, “a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States” before Nov. 14, 1986 is a natural-born citizen only if the citizen parent “was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than ten years, at least five of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years” — the same rule that was in place in the early 1960s. See also United States v. Flores-Villar, 497 F. Supp. 2d 1160, 1162-64 (S.D. Cal. 2007) (taking the same view and concluding the change from ten years/five years to five years/two years only applied to people born after 1986), aff'd, 536 F.3d 990 (9th Cir. 2008) (so assuming but not discussing it in detail); Rico-Ibarra v. Mukasey, 281 Fed. Appx. 694, 695 n.1 (9th Cir. 2008) (not precedential).

http://www.volokh.com/posts/1227910730.shtml

If Obama were born anywhere but US soil he is not eligible. His mother was not yet 19 at the time of his birth, we suspect.


Doc3
Comment posted December 30, 2009 @ 8:31 pm

Actually, until the long form birth certificate that includes the name of the hospital, witnesses and the name of the doctor that delivered him are produced it is all just speculation. That is what the vetting process is for. The hospital could also release confirmation but Obama has refused to sign that release as well. All of those facts are left off the short form certificate produced by Obama. We all know Obama could sign a release and produce these records but has hired a team of attorneys to fight that.

So it is not public knowledge, sorry but facts are a beach.


Doc3
Comment posted December 30, 2009 @ 8:33 pm

There is no evidence one way or the other. Again, that will require production of the long form birth certificate or the hospital records that would confirm the birth as Obama has claimed. What has been produced due to the possibility of fraud does not measure up nor does it prove or disprove Obama was born in Hawaii. We just do not know at this point.


Doc3
Comment posted December 30, 2009 @ 8:43 pm

I will try to do this slowly for you. The document produced by Obama, and for the sake of this discussion we will assume it is authentic, does not meet the test necessary to establish if Obama was or was not born in Hawaii. Once again, Obama could have been born in Africa, Vancouver B.C. or any number of places. His parents only had to call the grandmother, who at that time up until I think 1972 when the laws were changed to require verification of birth, could walk into a health department and with a signature get a birth certificate for Obama. Obama did not have to be in Hawaii at that time for the grandmother to get such a certificate. If that happened Obama could produce the picture of the short form birth certificate you reference above. It still does not answer the question needed to complete the vetting process.

So, the only way to confirm that there was no fraud in the issuance of the birth certificate is to produce the certificate that confirms the name of the hospital, witnesses and the doctor that made the delivery. Or, the hospital could produce the same records and confirm the birth in Hawaii.

As that has not been done the question remains did Obama's parents/grandparents or others obtain a birth certificate on their word? Or, was Obama born in the hospital as he claims?

Until that question is answered all of the cites you have given are worthless as it does not answer whether there was fraud. That can only be answered by producing specific evidence.


Doc3
Comment posted December 30, 2009 @ 8:45 pm

And you are ugly and your mother dresses you funny.


Doc3
Comment posted December 30, 2009 @ 8:48 pm

Incorrect. You can still go to the Hawaii Health Department website and check a box and get the form that includes the name of the hospital, witnesses and doctors. True it may not be called the long form, but it is the one with the facts on it that would confirm what Obama has been claiming.


Doc3
Comment posted December 30, 2009 @ 8:50 pm

Denigration and name calling is all you have? You have a very sad life.


Doc3
Comment posted December 30, 2009 @ 9:00 pm

Go to Google image and type in, “Obama's mother nude”. As far as I know this is a first. I tried it with George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, Eisenhower, Truman, Kennedy, Bush but the only one that brings up nude photos of a President's mother is Obama. I have no comment about Obama's mother, nor have I made any slurs towards her. People can look at the photo's and make their own judgment. I do suspect that none of these are hanging in the White House.

Obama could have popped out anywhere, in church is that better. I voted against Bush and I voted against Obama. You have no idea who you are talking to and it is obvious you cannot carry on an adult or intelligent argument.


RedGraham
Comment posted December 31, 2009 @ 1:41 am

It doesn't “eat at” me that Obama is almost half-black. We are long overdue for an ethnic minority president. In fact I was proud of my country when the formerly pro-slavery party of Klansman Byrd & Al Gore's father made Obama the Democratic nominee. I once voted for a blackman, Alan Keyes, for president and would have gladly voted for Colin Powell or Condi Rice if they got the GOP nomination.
It doesn't eat at me that BHO was elected in large part to voter fraud. FDR & JFK benefited from voter fraud as well. And it really doesn't eat at me that Obama is a Moslem and a socialist. Our First Amendement gives us all Freedom OF Religion and I suffered through eight years of that liberal draft-dodger Clinton.
The thing that eats at me is that former ambassador and presidential candidate Alan Keyes is called “crazy” and “a sore loser” for simply pointing out the fact that Obama is not a natural-born U.S. citizen and therefore ineligible to even run for president. Keyes has no reason to lie about this and has a reputation of honesty. Obama(if that is his real name) is a known liar and has all the reason in the world to conceal his true citizenship.
I expect Democrats to go along with this facade but am very disappointed in congressional Republicans for not making hay of this issue. Thank God there are selfless people like Phillip Berg, Orly Taitz, and many others who will continue to press for the truth. The original Birth Certificate and release of Obama's college records would put a halt to birther's claims.


euphgeek
Comment posted December 31, 2009 @ 2:32 am

Complete and utter bullshit. Only those who were born in Hawaii like Obama was could ever get a Hawaiian birth certificate that says they were born in Hawaii. If he was born anywhere else, the COLB (which is the official Hawaiian birth certificate) would not say he was born in Honolulu. You're talking out of your ass.


euphgeek
Comment posted December 31, 2009 @ 3:10 am

Yes, like yourself.


chrisjay
Comment posted December 31, 2009 @ 9:13 am

Go to Google and type in, “trailerpark trash”, then hit 'image': Your photo will come up, Doc3.
Pretty funny listening to a Birfer lecture about psychological help!
You are one twisted hillbilly.


chrisjay
Comment posted December 31, 2009 @ 9:15 am

Why are you having conversations with yourself using 2 different names, Red?
You are a psychiatrist's wet dream!


Anonymous
Comment posted December 31, 2009 @ 4:19 pm

There is not, and never has been, any evidence that President Obama attended college as a foreign student. It is a lie made up by the birthers, who cannot accept that Barack Hussein Obama is our legal president. If you have any proof at all that President Obama is not a natural born citizen, then show it. Otherwise, shut up. And by the way, crazy birther lies and fantasies do not constitute evidence.


Anonymous
Comment posted December 31, 2009 @ 4:19 pm

There is not, and never has been, any evidence that President Obama attended college as a foreign student. It is a lie made up by the birthers, who cannot accept that Barack Hussein Obama is our legal president. If you have any proof at all that President Obama is not a natural born citizen, then show it. Otherwise, shut up. And by the way, crazy birther lies and fantasies do not constitute evidence.


Anonymous
Comment posted December 31, 2009 @ 4:19 pm

There is not, and never has been, any evidence that President Obama attended college as a foreign student. It is a lie made up by the birthers, who cannot accept that Barack Hussein Obama is our legal president. If you have any proof at all that President Obama is not a natural born citizen, then show it. Otherwise, shut up. And by the way, crazy birther lies and fantasies do not constitute evidence.


euphgeek
Comment posted December 31, 2009 @ 1:34 pm

Prove that's Obama's mother. Weren't those pictures supposed to prove that she wasn't pregnant with Obama because they were taken in July 1961 and she doesn't look pregnant? But then everyone noticed that there were Christmas decorations in the pictures? You're grasping at straws here.


Doc3
Comment posted December 31, 2009 @ 6:00 pm

Sorry, these do not contain the name of the hospital, witnesses or the name of the doctor. Evidence to confirm that Obama claims he was born in Hawaii would only be contained on a birth certificate that contained that information. That form is easily available to Obama for a cost of $12.00. The photograph of the form produced does not contain that information. So as a simple evidentiary matter that information you keep posting does not prove or disprove anything. I am sorry if these higher concepts escape you.


Doc3
Comment posted December 31, 2009 @ 6:02 pm

Frankly I care less about the photographs. I was simply replying to the infantile rant below.


Doc3
Comment posted December 31, 2009 @ 6:05 pm

It is really useless responding to you. It is the functional equivalent of visiting the monkey cage at the zoo. All you can do is fling poo at people. Why don't you try and grow up and engage in an intelligent conversation about issues?


euphgeek
Comment posted December 31, 2009 @ 7:32 pm

Obama already paid his $12. The state of Hawaii sent him his birth certificate and he posted it online in June of 2008. Hawaii does not issue any other birth certificate other than the COLB.


euphgeek
Comment posted December 31, 2009 @ 7:38 pm

No, you were trying to “prove” that you had every right to surmise that Obama's mother might have “popped [him] out at the local bar” due to her supposed promiscuity because someone found some old photographs of a person who looks like her in the nude. That's infantile.


euphgeek
Comment posted December 31, 2009 @ 7:39 pm

Hey, present us with some intelligent conversation and we'll talk. Here, I'll start. Prove that all of these sources proving Obama's eligibility for president are somehow wrong:

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in…
http://hawaii.gov/health/about/pr/2009/09-063.pdf
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article…
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article…
http://snopes.com/politics/obama/citizen.asp
http://snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertifica…


euphgeek
Comment posted December 31, 2009 @ 7:43 pm

Alan Keyes is crazy and a sore loser. That is a fact.


katahdin
Comment posted December 31, 2009 @ 8:39 pm

The reason for those results is that crazy birthers, incoherent with rage and racial hatred, have set out to smear a dead woman with photoshopped pornographic images. They would be ashamed of themselves if their degraded moral states did not render them incapable of that sentiment.
And by the way, Anne Dunham did more good in the world than all the birthers put together ever will in their sad, diminished little lives. She was a pioneer in microcredit lending to poor women in third-world countries. She made it possible for women with no money and no resources to have access to credit so they could improve their lives. Her greatness of spirit is reflected in the nobility and decency of her children.
But it's characteristic of the birthers to view her only through the prism of her sex life, and to demean and attempt to diminish someone who accomplished more in 53 years of life than all the birthers together ever will if every one of them lives to a hundred years old.


katahdin
Comment posted December 31, 2009 @ 8:44 pm

Smearing the president's mother is not intelligent conversation. It's just disgusting.


ellid
Comment posted January 1, 2010 @ 2:25 am

Aren't you one of the rude, inconsiderate folk who slanders the dead?


ellid
Comment posted January 1, 2010 @ 2:26 am

There's no proof that the woman in those pictures ever was even in Hawaii. Go back to your hole, you disgusting exploiter of the dead.


ellid
Comment posted January 1, 2010 @ 2:27 am

No, you're slandering the memory of a woman who is dead and cannot speak for herself. You are vile.


ellid
Comment posted January 1, 2010 @ 2:28 am

Slandering the dead is not intelligent and pertains to no issue.

You make me sick.


ellid
Comment posted January 1, 2010 @ 2:32 am

Complete and utter bullshit from beginning to end.


Doc3
Comment posted January 1, 2010 @ 4:29 pm

See we can finally agree on something. The vetting of Obama was bullshit from beginning to end.


Doc3
Comment posted January 1, 2010 @ 4:56 pm

Sorry you are wrong again. You can ask for the form that lists all of the information including the name of the hospital, witnesses and the doctor. You just have to check the right box. Obama obtained the short form version. Also, it was a photograph of the Certificate of Live Birth that was posted, and not the actual certificate.

Please stop spreading misinformation. Anyone can go to the Hawaii Health Department website and confirm this for themselves.


Doc3
Comment posted January 1, 2010 @ 4:58 pm

Excuse me? Your posts are becoming bizarre. Are you hearing voices, receiving messages from Saturn on the fillings in your teeth? Again, seek medical help.


chrisjay
Comment posted January 1, 2010 @ 5:33 pm

pot-kettle-black, Doc; you are on a bizarre rant, repeating the same lame mantra day in & out—you accusing someone else of being bizarre is just funny. And lame.


ellid
Comment posted January 1, 2010 @ 6:07 pm

We agree on nothing. You are a fool.


ellid
Comment posted January 1, 2010 @ 6:08 pm

Are you denying that in another thread you claimed that you had seen nude photographs of the President's mother? Even though there is not a scrap of proof as to who in the photograph, where it was taken, or when?


ellid
Comment posted January 1, 2010 @ 6:09 pm

Please state how you expect an *original* document to be posted on line. What you demand sounds like something out of Roald Dahl.


ellid
Comment posted January 1, 2010 @ 6:11 pm

And your lies about your identity are much less than that. So?


ellid
Comment posted January 1, 2010 @ 6:12 pm

Why so many names? Is it so that you can comment approvingly on your own inaccurate ravings?


Anonymous
Comment posted January 1, 2010 @ 11:13 pm

Why so many names, old sport?


ellid
Comment posted January 1, 2010 @ 6:13 pm

You are a contentious and annoying fool. Also, you can't spell.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 1, 2010 @ 11:14 pm

My mother has been dead since 1996. She died just before Christmas. Thank you for reminding me.


chrisjay
Comment posted January 1, 2010 @ 6:19 pm

These photos all over the internet with Doc3's mother having sex with a donkey: I wonder if he can prove they aren't authentic?


Doc3
Comment posted January 1, 2010 @ 6:41 pm

No I was responding to one of your bizarre rants about Obama's mother being a hooker or something and sleeping with black men. I have no idea why you raised those issues, and still do not. It was not I that raised it, it was you.

So I Googled Obama Mama and all that came up were nude photo's of her. People can look at those photo's and judge for themselves. I am not commenting one way or the other.

For someone that is slobbering and getting red in the face when someone mentions that there is no evidence the picture of the COLB on the internet is evidence to support whether Obama is qualified to hold the office of the President you seem to only want evidence that goes your way.


ellid
Comment posted January 1, 2010 @ 6:44 pm

I have never made such assertions. You are lying.


ellid
Comment posted January 1, 2010 @ 6:45 pm

Also, I checked the Hawaiian Department of Health web site. There is no such form as you describe.

You are lying.


Doc3
Comment posted January 1, 2010 @ 6:45 pm

Well, unless I am mistaken and please correct me if I am wrong, but when did moveon or the other internet sites become a vetting arm of the democratic party. The vetting was supposed to be done before the democratic party placed Obama's name on the primary ballot.

Please post anything, other than the weird versions I posted below where the democratic party took out the language that Obama was qualified, where the democratic party states that they vetted Obama and he is qualified. Keep looking because it does not exist.

So the entire argument that is being made about the photograph of a COLB on the internet is worthless. It does not prove or disprove anything.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 1, 2010 @ 11:47 pm

There is no such form. There is, however, a FAQ section pertaining to questions about the President’s birth certificate. Once again, it confirms that the President was born in Hawaii and is thus a natural born citizen.

You are lying.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 1, 2010 @ 11:48 pm

At least I’m not a liar, like you.


chrisjay
Comment posted January 1, 2010 @ 6:52 pm

“I Googled Obama Mama…”
WTF?
You Birfers are truly carny freaks——-doesn't get more freakishly entertaining than Doc3


Doc3
Comment posted January 1, 2010 @ 6:52 pm

Coo-coo.


euphgeek
Comment posted January 2, 2010 @ 12:11 am

Sorry, but you're the one who is wrong. There is no “right box” to check in order to obtain a birth certificate with the hospital, witnesses and the doctor. Whoever told you that told you a pack of lies. You can even see for yourself that the form has no such box to check here:

http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/pdf/birt…

And yes, Obama posted an image of his birth certificate that has been verified by many people including the Hawaii Department of health. Here's the proof:

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in…
http://hawaii.gov/health/about/pr/2009/09-063.pdf
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article…
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article…
http://snopes.com/politics/obama/citizen.asp
http://snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertifica…


euphgeek
Comment posted January 2, 2010 @ 12:16 am

The vetting was done before Obama posted his birth certificate online. The only reason he posted it is because morons such as yourself were trying to say he wasn't born in the U.S.


Alfa Bett Bois
Comment posted January 2, 2010 @ 1:53 am

Barack Obama’s Selective Service registration card and accompanying documents show that questions about him are not only NOT over, but if the signature on the document is in fact his, our Commander-in-Chief may have committed a federal crime in 2008, well within the statute of limitations on the matter. If it is not his, then it’s proof positive that our next Commander-in-Chief never registered with the Selective Service as required by law. By law, he was required to register and was legally able to do so until the age of 26.
But the Selective Service System registration (”SSS Form 1″) and accompanying computer print-out (”SSS Print-out), below, released by the Selective Service show the oddities and irregularities, all of which indicate the document was created in 2008 and backdated.


ellid
Comment posted January 2, 2010 @ 9:42 am

You are mistaken in your belief that the President is not natural born. You are also a liar.


ellid
Comment posted January 2, 2010 @ 9:43 am

Better than being a liar who slanders those who cannot defend themselves.


chrisjay
Comment posted January 2, 2010 @ 12:52 pm

Doc,
Just because you enjoy Birfer porn and think it's something to brag about, you haven't made ONE factual point here— about either Obama's birthplace, or any other demonstrable flaw in his history that the 'vetters' missed. If you had, I'm sure we'd all be hearing about it outside of your Birferverse.
FAIL


RedGraham
Comment posted January 2, 2010 @ 1:04 pm

Think about it! All Obama must do is release the Birth Certificate he mentions “looking at” on page 26 of “Dreams of My Father” and his college records and that will be the end of it all. The BC will either prove he was natural-born in Hawaii or he wasn't. The college records will say which name and which citizenship he used in college. Everything will then be covered and Obama can get back to being president or he will have to resign.
God Bless Dr. Orly Taitz!


ellid
Comment posted January 2, 2010 @ 1:56 pm

Sorry, but you've met or exceeded your quota of irrelevant, unsourced, debunked shit for today, old sport, not to mention your quota of handles. Give it up and go recover from your New Year's Day drunk like a good little idiot.


euphgeek
Comment posted January 2, 2010 @ 1:58 pm

You're lying. Even if he does still have the birth certificate he says he was looking at in his book (and there's no guarantee he does), there are still nirthers who are making the absolutely stupid claim that he isn't a natural born U.S. citizen because his father wasn't a citizen. And newsflash – this has not distracted him from being president one iota. The only thing Orly has accomplished is to waste the time of the courts and cost the taxpayers money by filing frivolous lawsuits. Obama will continue to ignore you people and most likely get reelected in 2012.


ellid
Comment posted January 2, 2010 @ 5:00 pm

Also, why did you waste your time googling for photographs of Mary Washington and Nancy Hanks? Both women lived and died before the invention of the camera.

Another lie. Do you really expect anyone to believe you?


euphgeek
Comment posted January 2, 2010 @ 8:33 pm

The nirther love call.


Irish_Wake
Comment posted January 3, 2010 @ 8:27 am

Do you have a response to the accusation of using the many aliases itemized at http://washingtonindependent.com/72152/untruths-2 ? I would like to hear your side of the story.


RedGraham
Comment posted January 4, 2010 @ 4:51 pm

John Charlton: The Supreme Court case which will void the entire Obama presidency…
Nov. 25, 2009)— It is often asked whether the usurpation of the presidency by Barack Hussein Obama will ever have a remedy in the courts. But the fact is that there already is a remedy in the courts: the ruling of the Supreme Court of the United States in Marbury v. Madison, 5 U.S. 1 Cranch 137 137 (1803).
That case was the first to expressly indicate that no action of Congress was valid if it contravened the Constitution. Since the U.S. Constitution requires that a President be a natural born citizen; and since the Supreme Court has in 4 cases used the term “natural born citizen” only in reference to one born in the U.S.A. of parents who were citizens at the time of his birth, it follows inexorably that Obama’s election as president by the Joint Session of Congress, on January 8, 2009, is null and void. Against this legal conclusion there is no argument.


Bill R
Comment posted January 4, 2010 @ 6:08 pm

Sarah Palin has the audacity to accuse Obama of palling around with terrorists because Obama was in the same room as Ayers one time. Palin says this while she lies about her associations with the AIP terrorist group, labelled terrorists by the Bush administration. AIP terrorists went to Iran during the 90's to beg the Iranians for weapons to commit terrorism against the USA, and Todd Palin is a member of the AIP. Sarah Palin is married to a member of a known terrorist group who wants to use violence to secede out of one side of their mouths, while begging for Federal Wealth Redistribution out of the other. So, as usual AIP terrorists want all of Alaska to themselves, and they want welfare from the US. Real conservatives would offer to buy Alaska, not steal it under threat of terrorism, but then again, nobody with a brain or honesty ever considered Palin to be conservative, after all Palin got the most socialist wealth redistribution from the federal government per capita, so much that per capita, Alaskans do not pay taxes, they are paid welfare. Palin the quitter, Palin the Welfare Queen, Palin the moron who think Africa is a country and dinosaurs coexisted with man, Palin the birther, liar, seditious traitor. Palin the darling of the Teaparty Faithful.


ellid
Comment posted January 4, 2010 @ 11:06 pm

*yawn*

You know how to cut and paste.

*applauds*


Anonymous
Comment posted January 5, 2010 @ 8:07 pm

Can you name another president who’s been asked to provide every last document connected to his entire life?


RedGraham
Comment posted January 5, 2010 @ 3:34 pm

If we apply the provisions of British and Kenyan law to the simple facts, which Obama claims about himself — though in truth there is no publically available documentation to confirm the truth of these facts — the inescapable conclusion is that Obama was born a British subject and is now, still to this day, a British subject: a Commonwealth citizen, to be exact. AKA: Illegal-alien


Doc3
Comment posted January 5, 2010 @ 9:53 pm

In the same room with Ayers for one day. If we actually had a legitimate news reporting service in this Country you would not write such tripe. Please do some research before you post such garbage. There are many connections with Obama and Ayers, among other pieces of human excrement.


Doc3
Comment posted January 5, 2010 @ 9:55 pm

Birther porn? How stupid are you? Do you have someone that helps you get dressed in the morning? Again, seek medical help.


Doc3
Comment posted January 5, 2010 @ 10:13 pm

http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/vital-re…

If you cannot understand this maybe you can have someone help you.


ellid
Comment posted January 6, 2010 @ 9:43 pm

Shut up and show us your birth certificate, you lying anti-American fraud.


chrisjay
Comment posted January 7, 2010 @ 2:57 pm

'human execrement' surely has to be your field of expertise, I'll grant you that much, DoctorDork


Doc3
Comment posted January 9, 2010 @ 10:04 pm

Yup, please flush yourself immediately.


Doc3
Comment posted January 9, 2010 @ 10:06 pm

You can keep posting this crap but it does not mean anything. Once again, these are not the vetting arm of the democratic national party. Posting a photograph of a birth certificate does not meet any standard for vetting of a Presidential candidate. Obama will not run in 2012 because of this issue, plus the fact he would never be re-elected. Obama, done in one!


euphgeek
Comment posted January 10, 2010 @ 12:06 am

You can keep up your wishful thinking but the fact remains that Obama is a natural born U.S. citizen who will most likely be reelected in 2012 and my links prove it. Why do you think the nirthers are slowly fading away and they're relegated to trolling random blogs? They realize that like the 9/11 truthers there's no basis to anything they're claiming. How does it feel to be the last of a dying breed? I notice that you've never been able to disprove any of the information in my links, by the way.


katahdin
Comment posted January 10, 2010 @ 8:28 pm

Just saw the 60 Minutes report on the 2008 campaign. According to McCain campaign manager Steve Schmidt, Palin had to be told about WWI, WWII, and the Korean War. She didn't understand why North and South Korea are different countries. The woman is an historical blank slate. She's so stupid, she thinks Saddam Hussein was behind 9/11.


euphgeek
Comment posted January 11, 2010 @ 1:29 am

Good lord. I consider myself pretty well educated on the basics of U.S. history (apparently a lot better than Sarah Palin) and I don't even think I'm qualified to be vice president.

Ah, I found the video:
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=6078906n…

Oh. My. God. They chose her on the basis of a Google search and watching a few YouTube videos of her? This from the party of “America First?” I can't believe I ever thought McCain would make an OK president.


jayhg
Comment posted January 27, 2010 @ 8:11 pm

redgram, palin for president, hillary for president, or whoever…………WHY would we apply British and Kenyan law to President Barack Obama??? About his birth, his birth certificate, or anything else?? And no fair spouting that birfer bullshit about his father being British and Kenyan…….IT DOESN'T MATTER IF HIS FATHER WAS BORN ON MARS, VENUS, OR YOUR VERY OWN BACK YARD.

'Course I don't expect a coherent answer….I'm just messing with your dumb birfer ass………..


jayhg
Comment posted January 27, 2010 @ 8:15 pm

Well, gram cracker, here it is January, 2010 and President Barack Obama is still President of the United States and his presidency is NOT VOID as you said it would be………..damn, I love a good old fashioned dumb ass birfer……!!!


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted February 5, 2010 @ 11:52 am

You're an idiot.

DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH

News Release

LINDA LINGLE
GOVERNOR
_________________________________________________________________________________________________________

CHIYOME LEINAALA FUKINO M.D.
DIRECTOR

_________________________________________________________________________________________________________

For Immediate Release: July 27, 2009 09-063

STATEMENT BY HEALTH DIRECTOR CHIYOME FUKINO, M.D.

“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawai?i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai‘i State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai‘i and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement
or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago.”

###


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted February 5, 2010 @ 4:54 pm

Typical birfer coward. You’re a paranoid, perverted idiot and an embarrassment to the U.S.

“You have no idea who you are talking to”

Sure we do. You’re an irrelevant fuckwad with more spare time than common sense.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted February 5, 2010 @ 4:55 pm

At yet you’re still at the like the idiotic, delusional coward you are.

Why don’t you go fuck yourself?


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted February 5, 2010 @ 11:57 am

Correct you?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH ! ! !

You are a clueless, paranoid idiot.


Doc3
Comment posted February 6, 2010 @ 6:29 pm

This statement should allow the information that was referenced by a government official to be produced. As a public employee a partial disclosure of this type is a waiver of the privilege that exists.

This only confirms that the State needs to produce the document that they relied on in making this statement.

If you want to drink deep of the Gatorade fine. This issue is not going away and it is waiting for Obama should he decide to place his name on a primary ballot in 2012.


euphgeek
Comment posted February 7, 2010 @ 12:06 am

I'm glad to hear that the issue is not going away. That will virtually guarantee that Obama will be reelected in 2012.


Doc3
Comment posted February 7, 2010 @ 1:05 pm

As I have mentioned before at this point Obama could not be re-elected dog catcher, a job he may actually be qualified for. But there are States now enacting laws to require actually vetting of Presidential credentials:http://www.yumasun.com/news/seeks-55554-bill-citizenship.html

Obama cannot risk actually having to produce the records that he has tried so hard to hide. It would be devastating for him as perjury will strip him of his law license, possible jail time and the hit to the Democratic Party would a a tsunami.

Much better for he and the Democratic Party that he give his version of big Mac's old soldier speech, only this would be an old community organizer speech as he crawls back under from whatever rock Obama came from.

Obama will not get on the primary ballot by producing a photograph of a birth certificate in 2012, assuming the information does not come out before then.


euphgeek
Comment posted February 7, 2010 @ 10:08 pm

You seriously believe that all he produced was a photograph of a birth certificate? That was just for idiots like you who are so gullible that you actually believed that he wasn't a natural born U.S. citizen. Even if these birther laws get passed, Obama will still run and most likely get reelected in 2012.


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You seriously believe that all he produced was a photograph of a birth certificate? That was just for idiots like you who are so gullible that you actually believed that he wasn't a natural born U.S. citizen. Even if these birther laws get passed, Obama will still run and most likely get reelected in 2012.


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