NY-23: Hoffman Accuses ACORN, Unions of ‘Tampering’ With Election

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Thursday, November 19, 2009 at 9:04 am

As the very, very small chance of a late upset vanishes in NY-23, Conservative Party candidate Doug Hoffman is lashing out and accusing “ACORN, the unions and the Democratic Party” of tampering with the election.

Hoffman’s getting some brushback from local Republicans. George Williams, chairman of the Oswego County Republicans, says Hoffman’s wrong and says the party is “not going to take the blame because he didn’t hold his concession speech.” I was in the district in the run-up to the election, when Hoffman accused Democrats or ACORN of slashing a campaign worker’s tires; when that charge turned out to be baseless, ACORN spokesmen informed me that they had no volunteers in the district. While ACORN’s credibility has been challenged left and right lately, its very public implosion would seem to back that up.

This isn’t the sort of behavior that wins over a skeptical electorate looking at a possible rematch between Hoffman and Rep. Bill Owens (D-N.Y.).

A quick update: Here’s the letter Hoffman is circulating, available at http://www.doughoffmanforcongress.com/stolenelection.html.

Dear Fellow Conservative,

As evidence surfaces, we find out that reported results from election night were far from accurate. ACORN and the unions did their best to try and sway the results to Obamacare supporter Bill Owens.

I was forced to concede after receiving two pieces of grim news – - down 5,335 votes with 93 percent of the vote counted on election night – and barely won my stronghold in Oswego County. On Election Night, the information we received was far different from what we received this week!

Rest assured, they will not succeed, and I am therefore revoking my statement of concession.

That is why I am writing you today. Recent developments leave me to wonder who is scheming behind closed doors, twisting arms and stealing elections from the voters of NY-23.

I’m sure you are as dismayed as I am to learn of the mischief that took place in Oswego and neighboring counties. We know this would not be the first time for the ACORN faithful to tamper with democracy.

Now it’s time to actually count every legal ballot and I need your help to ensure the people of NY-23 get the Congressman THEY ELECTED. Please donate now to help me ensure every vote is counted!

A recanvassing in the 11-county district shows Owens’ lead has narrowed to 3,026. In Oswego County, I was reported to lead by only 500 votes with 93 percent of the vote counted election night, but inspectors found I actually won by 1,748 votes

Let’s force them keep this recanvassing active! Let’s give this election a chance to end differently!
Oswego County elections officials blame the mistakes on “chaos“ in their call-in center that included a phone system foul-up, and on inspectors who read numbers incorrectly when phoning in results. This sounds like a tactic right from the ACORN playbook.

The district’s second biggest voter turnout was in Jefferson County, where I had also benefited from a turnaround since election night, gaining another 700 votes. Owens led by 300 votes on the final election night tally, but after recanvassing, I’m now leading by 424 votes.

Jerry Eaton, the Republican elections commissioner for Jefferson County, said inspectors found a problem in four districts where my vote total was mistakenly entered as zero.

The new vote totals mean the race will be decided by absentee ballots, of which the state Board of Elections distributed about 10,200.

The people of NY-23 deserve to have their ballots counted properly, but we can’t let ACORN or the unions keep that from happening. They have more lawyers and more experience tampering with democracy.

State Board of Elections Communications Director John Conklin said the state sent a letter to the House Clerk last week explaining that no winner had been determined in the 23rd District.

Now it’s time to actually count every legal ballot and I need your help to ensure the people of NY-23 get the Congressman THEY ELECTED. Please donate now to help me ensure every vote is counted!

We need to make sure that fair elections are a reality in NY-23, just like our Founding Fathers envisioned So long as we remain the “land of the free,” we MUST ensure every vote is counted.

Help us today so we may be the first of many conservative victories during the Obama Regime.

Yours in Freedom,

Doug Hoffman

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Comments

71 Comments

Hananova
Comment posted November 19, 2009 @ 9:48 am

Four (4) precincts reported a zero (0) vote total for Hoffman, before they were found out.

One is a mistake. Four is a conspiracy.

How many more precincts misreported the results? Hoffman had a big lead in the polls the day before the election. So what happened?

Looks like the amoral Dems steal another one.


antsydrew
Comment posted November 19, 2009 @ 10:02 am

Precincts commonly screw up initial (i.e. early) vote counts and then give correct results later. It's not a conspiracy: it's what happens when you get early results. It rarely affects outcomes because it's generally random noise. And it didn't affect the outcome here either.

The polls in this race were a) erratic b) rarely reliable in smaller off-cycle elections and c) not able to take into account the full impact of one of the people on the ballot dropping out.

Now, if you have evidence of actual wrong-doing, that would be great. But hunting for random everyday anomalies and then screaming conspiracy is what the 9/11 truthers do. And it's ridiculous.


republicanstupidity
Comment posted November 19, 2009 @ 10:03 am

WAAAAAA WAAAAAAAA WAAAAAAA PLAY THE VICTIM ACCORN WAS NOT EVEN IN THE DISTRICT TRY AGAIN ASSHOLE


monkey99
Comment posted November 19, 2009 @ 10:36 am

Hoffman, like the rest of the baggers, just can't accept the reality of the situation.

Does he think complaining like a petulant, spoiled child makes him look better?

Maybe he can turn up his popularity by having someone else write a book for him, filled with lies about his campaign staff, casting aspersions on everyone he thought might have something against him.

Only one problem. I don't think he can wink and say “you betcha!” the way Sarah Palin can.


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wezvv
Comment posted November 19, 2009 @ 10:58 am

Darn straight. Hoffman should appeal to the Supreme Court to be appointed by them and all recounting should stop. Just like the Founding Fathers intended.

If there aren't men in Brooks Brothers suits shouting at the recounters, it can't possibly be a fair recount anyway.


xcott
Comment posted November 19, 2009 @ 11:15 am

“Let’s force them keep this recanvassing active!”

I'm confused. Does he mean that all the counties weren't “recanvassed?” Or does he mean that they should recanvas again?

And what's with this word “recanvassing”? It gives the impression of a recount, but it sounds more like the polling place providing their official total in place of the early return. I guess it sounds less like a conspiracy if you put it that way: what exactly is the game plan for a conspiracy that rigs the early returns, knowing that they'll be corrected by the next week?

That being said, such a discrepancy in early returns is embarrassing for the election officials. With an election that would be won by a few thousand votes, an error of a few thousand in early returns is terrible.


philonius
Comment posted November 19, 2009 @ 11:22 am

Looks like he's more interested in trolling for money than recovering stolen votes.


xcott
Comment posted November 19, 2009 @ 11:30 am

“One is a mistake. Four is a conspiracy.”

But here's the problem: a conspiracy to do what?

All the precincts would later have their returns certified, and a misreported number would be corrected. So what exactly is the evil conspiracy achieving by reporting a (0) in early returns?

It wouldn't change the final totals, so If intentional, what was the purpose? To give the public a false impression for a few days? It doesn't make sense.


xcott
Comment posted November 19, 2009 @ 11:42 am

Somehow a faction of the right has been convinced that ACORN is something like the KGB. At first it was just alleged to have passed along bogus voter registrations; then when the tea parties started, people spread rumors that ACORN was sending “operatives” to “disrupt” the events. Nevermind that ACORN was a voter registration organization; suddenly they had “operatives” and engaged in CIA-grade dirty tricks.

ACORN is now something like Snowball from Animal Farm: a faceless menace that is blamed for every failure, and used as a continual warning. It doesn't matter that this makes no logistical sense, and that people can't explain exactly how ACORN would be behind a miscount of early returns.

Anyway, I think it's healthy for Hoffman to do this, because he's basically soliciting money from conspiracy theorists. Consider it a tax on credulity.


eddrone
Comment posted November 19, 2009 @ 11:50 am

Animal Farm? You mean that story where Sarah Palin remarked that those pigs really stood up for themselves? Yes, she thinks the pigs are the heroes of the story. Really.

Sigh.


Hananova
Comment posted November 19, 2009 @ 11:58 am

ACORN was heavily involved in several cities


Hananova
Comment posted November 19, 2009 @ 11:59 am

All of the mistakes were in Owens' favor. ALL of them.

Gee, what a coincidence!

Now how many MORE “mistakes” were NOT reported, and not “caught”?


Hananova
Comment posted November 19, 2009 @ 12:03 pm

Stop with the insults to the KGB.

ACORN is criminal conspiracy, an amoral Obama-funded (with money taken from taxpayers under threat of imprisonment) street gang.


Hananova
Comment posted November 19, 2009 @ 12:04 pm

You're a good representative of the Democrats – the ones who think Letterman's jokes about raping 13-year-olds are humorous.


Hananova
Comment posted November 19, 2009 @ 12:07 pm

“You bet'cha” is a four-letter word, but Letterman's “joke” about raping a 13-year-old is funny?

You have a twisted sense of morality. Or none at all.


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Gus
Comment posted November 19, 2009 @ 1:23 pm

Don't waste your time, xcott. Hananova's obviously a true believer. You can't argue against faith with facts.


mantis
Comment posted November 19, 2009 @ 1:47 pm

You're a good representative of the right – completely delusional and filled with rage and an undying sense of victimhood.

Palin's an idiot, and stupid jokes (that aren't at all about raping 13-year-olds, unless you're a delusional wingnut) by late night comedians don't change that.


mantis
Comment posted November 19, 2009 @ 1:48 pm

We understand you are delusional. You don't need to keep proving it.


Bob Dole
Comment posted November 19, 2009 @ 2:06 pm

Hananova's recurring fantasies about raping a 13-year old are disturbing.

Has Hananova been registered as a sex offender yet?


mq
Comment posted November 19, 2009 @ 2:13 pm

Every time a wingnut says “ACORN” most independents hear “I am a crazy person, please ignore my statement no matter how well reasoned out it was before I said ACORN”.

I have voted both sides of the isle but I just can't take Hoffman seriously.


hananova2
Comment posted November 19, 2009 @ 2:28 pm

Like John McCain's joke about a woman getting beaten and raped by a gorilla…and then asking from her hospital bed…breathlessly…'where is that marvellous ape?”


hananova2
Comment posted November 19, 2009 @ 2:30 pm

So how many mistakes were made against Bill Owen's vote total?

Funny how Republicans are now FOR recounts when in 2000 they were AGAINST recounts.


monkey99
Comment posted November 19, 2009 @ 2:34 pm

“You betcha” is a colloquialism. You going to school me on how to speak?

Letterman's joke was…..a JOKE. I'm sure you have heard jokes that didn't seem funny, but you didn't go out of your way to slam the comedian, and for what? What did that stupid woman get for all the whining?

She just looks stupid. Her cred is gone. Hoffman's not far behind if he wants to use Palin's formula.

MY sense of morality is twisted? Kind of like the same way the Bush administration was twisted? We won't even get into the violations of the Constitution they defend.

When it comes to the problems this country faces, all that has been seen from the right is misplaced sense of patriotism (if that's what you want to call it) that spits on the Constitution, and the American people. You have no clue as to how to make this country a vibrant and constructive one. Just more whining.

Hoffman lost. get over it. You might want to tell him that, too, seeing as how he doesn't seem to be gracious enough to know how and when to concede.


monkey99
Comment posted November 19, 2009 @ 2:42 pm

Hanabata,

Where's YOUR morality, now, hmmm?


monkey99
Comment posted November 19, 2009 @ 2:50 pm

Yup, when the possibility of a stolen election arose, noooo, the Repubs don't want verification.

When a Dem candidate wins, it's always a stolen election, even if everything is above-board.

Say, are you one of those wacko birthers, too?


stanwright
Comment posted November 19, 2009 @ 3:12 pm

It doesn't matter that Hoffman's fundraising letter accuses Acorn from a role in the NY 23 election, despite it's total absence from the district, because Hoffman's backers aren't from the district either, so how would they know?

Besides, the Acorn scare's real purpose is the preemptive justificiation of corrupt or abusive conduct from the right. Hoffman is dragging out a foregone conclusion for purposes of sheer harassment, so he invokes the magic mantra “Acorn” to make it all OK.


Hananova
Comment posted November 19, 2009 @ 3:17 pm

It's perfectly fine for you to make a joke about raping a 13-year-old – that's a Democrat thing.

Letterman is about as funny as a truckload of dead fetuses.

Democrats are AMORAL.

Governor Palin has more brains in the 2nd knuckle of her little finger on her left hand, than you will ever have in your entire life.


Hananova
Comment posted November 19, 2009 @ 3:19 pm

Have you stopped raping little girls?


Hananova
Comment posted November 19, 2009 @ 3:19 pm

I understand you are overdosing on your Prozac


Hananova
Comment posted November 19, 2009 @ 3:22 pm

Monkey-boy, I said Democrats are AMORAL,not IMMORAL
Brain dead monkey don't speak, don't see, don't hear?


Hananova
Comment posted November 19, 2009 @ 3:24 pm

Monkey boy, keep voting for Dumpcrats.

1. Higher Taxes

2. More Hate


Hananova
Comment posted November 19, 2009 @ 3:27 pm

Precincts “commonly screw up”?

Is this some kind of a joke?

The polls were all going Hoffman's way, he was surging and ahead by several points the day before the election.

I don't give a FF. I don't live in NY. If you want to live in a Stalinist sewer, I don't give a FF


Hananova
Comment posted November 19, 2009 @ 3:29 pm

Democrats-Corruptocrats-MSM

When they can't throw sht, then they just make it up.

Democrats are animals (without morality).


antsydrew
Comment posted November 19, 2009 @ 3:29 pm

It's not a joke. Keep in mind that most voting locations are staffed by senior citizens: there are often scattered problems with equipment and so on. What happens in most place


Hananova
Comment posted November 19, 2009 @ 3:32 pm

I wish I could join with illegal immigrants, Al-Qaeda, Chavez, Castro, dictarors, etc. and favor the Democrats.

Obama and Holder want to allow felons in federal prison to vote.

You have good company, Democrats – nazi feminists, queers, black racists, murderers, rapists and terrorists. They all vote overwhelmingly Democratic.


mantis
Comment posted November 19, 2009 @ 3:33 pm

It doesn't matter that Hoffman's fundraising letter accuses Acorn from a role in the NY 23 election, despite it's total absence from the district, because Hoffman's backers aren't from the district either

Neither is Hoffman.


Hananova
Comment posted November 19, 2009 @ 3:34 pm

ACORN/SEIU was not involved, because you say so?

What were they going to do, walk around with signs saying “Look, I'm ACORN!”

You're an idiot


mantis
Comment posted November 19, 2009 @ 3:34 pm

It's perfectly fine for you to make a joke about raping a 13-year-old

Thanks for the permission, but no one did that. You're just making shit up because you're a delusional wingnut.

Democrats are AMORAL

Says someone who has no problems constantly lying.

Governor Palin has more brains in the 2nd knuckle of her little finger on her left hand, than you will ever have in your entire life.

All evidence to the contrary.


mantis
Comment posted November 19, 2009 @ 3:39 pm

Try leaving the basement once in a while. You'll find out that the United States is not the nightmarish hellscape you think it is now that Obama is president.

By the way, ACORN's under your bed! Run!


antsydrew
Comment posted November 19, 2009 @ 3:40 pm

s is that the counts are later verified through a more rigorous process later on. Anomalies like the 4 here aren't uncommon: they simply get corrected later. Again, this is just what happens when you demand instant counts as soon as the polls close: not all of them are final. That's why elections are later given certified counts, different from the reported ones.

The polls in NJ were surging for Corzine, and that was an actual reliably polled election. Again, if you know anything about polling off-cycle Congressional races, particularly such a wacky one as NY-23, you wouldn't be grasping at straws here.

I mean, come on. You have zero actual evidence of fraud. You don't have any phony voters. You just want it to be true. Half of you nuts are screaming ACORN when ACORN wasn't even there except in your imaginations (and, of course, whenever anyone saw a black person… oops: that guy turned out to be a Republican: pretty embarrassing!).

Produce actual evidence, or even a plausible theory of fraud, and then there's a story. All there is now is sour-grapes and insane unfounded conspiracy theories.

And your party really needs to deal with this. I mean, more than half of Rs think ACORN stole 2008. First of all, that would require MILLIONS of fraudulent votes in most scenarios, when in fact some very smart Republicans were very much on the ball keeping an eye for them, and found virtually NONE. Do you know the difference between millions and none? It's a pretty big one. Second of all, I've worked on the ground in Democratic politics for some time now. I've organized the actual people that stand out at the polls, who knock doors, etc. I've worked on the actual, real field plans that are _actually_ going on.

And I've never even MET anyone from ACORN, much less can understand how exactly you guys think they have some magical talismanic powers to steal elections. If you think you do, please do so: explain how. Show some evidence.


24WienersAheadDotCom
Comment posted November 19, 2009 @ 3:45 pm

Well if her brains are in her knuckles that really explains a number of things.

And given your inexplicably detailed knowledge of her knuckles, methinks you've been zooming in on that Newsweek cover to check out her “brains”.
Haventcha!
Caughtcha!
Youbetcha!


monkey99
Comment posted November 19, 2009 @ 3:54 pm

You have no argument, so it's fling the crap?

You know, if you don't know whatr your talking about, maybe you shouldn't come on blogs like this. You don't make your party look any better, or yourself.


monkey99
Comment posted November 19, 2009 @ 4:05 pm

You're the one spouting hate. You have no position to argue so out comes the vitriol. Typical.

Are you a millionaire? If not, you are a fool for defending the same corporations that are victimizing you, and everyone else. What makes you think you would not also have been a victim if the GOP had won? Think you would have been immune from what was coming?

You, like the rest of the baggers defend a failed system of governance. The 2008 election shouted that out loud and clear.

Get over it. Hoffman LOST.


bob88
Comment posted November 19, 2009 @ 4:24 pm

And what evidence does Hoffman have that they committed fraud? Hmmm?

If Oswego is his stronghold, one would think that Republicans probably hold some of the local positions at the polls and such.

But let's just make accusations without any evidence because that's so much easier. How very “Iraq has WMD” of Doug Hoffman.

BTW have you heard that Hoffman is a pedophile? I don't have any hard proof for that claim, but I keep hearing it all over the place. And, honestly, look at the guy. Just look at him. I would not want that many near my children. There's something not right about him. It's in his eyes.

Also, Hoffman is a big pussy pushover apparently because as the candidate, someone “forced” him to concede.

The only person who could make Doug Hoffman concede is Doug Hoffman.

But the hypocrisy of the right is duly noted, because as I recall from a certain Presidential election, when one candidate had received more of the popular vote from the nation and wanted a complete recount in FL, Republicans were all about denying the recount and shutting it down. It must be nice to have the Supreme Court give you an election victory, since investigations into recounts by FL newspapers after the election found that Gore would have won.

It's called principle. And conservatives have none. For instance, when you moralize to the nation for years about how wrong it is to criticize the President during a time of war and accuse anyone who does of being un-American and terrorist sympathizers AND THEN turn around and engage in the most disgusting, vile rhetoric and smears I've heard in my lifetime, it just makes you guys look like what we all know you are – so desperate to regain power that there isn't a lie you won't tell; there isn't a salacious rumor you won't push; there is no limit to the skeevy, underhanded tactics conservatives will use to get back in power.

They aren't interested in ending the politics of personal destruction – IT'S ALL THEY HAVE LEFT. It's all they have.

Clowns like Hoffman and Palin are just rightwing caricatures who run on mindless conservative sloganeering – ACORN, Pelosi, tax cuts, Reagan.


bob88
Comment posted November 19, 2009 @ 4:27 pm

More hate?

Take a look in the mirror, hatemonger.

What do you think of Nancy Pelosi? Hillary Clinton? Barack Obama?

When you finish coming up with all the nasty things you think about them, let us know how you really feel.


bob88
Comment posted November 19, 2009 @ 4:28 pm

And you have proof that fraud was committed or are we just slinging ACORN around because it's an easy scapegoat?

Is this Hoffman's “Iraq has WMD” moment?


bob88
Comment posted November 19, 2009 @ 4:29 pm

I thought conservatives didn't base how they feel on polls?


bob88
Comment posted November 19, 2009 @ 4:34 pm

It's just like conservatives wetting their pants over bringing the people responsible for murdering 3,000 of our fellow citizens to justice – finally.

They are a bunch of cowards. How many of them are aware that we currently hold quite a few convicted terrorists in US prisons (at least 100-200)? Probably none of them, because I don't know if you've noticed, the right isn't so much interested in the truth as believing whatever crazy bs they can come up with.

They don't need any evidence – for them, all that is required is for one to make the accusation, no matter how delusional.

So, in that spirit, I ask the supporters of Doug Hoffman to please deny this rumor that he is a pedophile. And I would also ask Hoffman's campaign to do the same thing. There's no hard evidence that Hoffman is a pedophile, but just look at him – it has to be so.

I think that's about how it works for the crowd on the other side of the aisle.


republicanstupidity
Comment posted November 19, 2009 @ 7:42 pm

HEY STUIPD IF YOU STOP READING NEWSMAX AND WATCHING FAUX NEWS YOU MAY LEARN THAT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY GAVE AMERICA THE LARGEST TAX CUT IN HISTORY…BUT YOU ARE TO DAMN STUPID TO SEE IT


republicanstupidity
Comment posted November 19, 2009 @ 7:43 pm

PROVE IT OR IS THAT SOMETHING BESIDES THE 10 INCH BLACK DILDO THAT YOU PULLED OUT OF YOUR ASS


jdat11
Comment posted November 19, 2009 @ 8:06 pm

Hananova, thank you for making my day, a good idiotic teabagger can always cheer it up


jdat11
Comment posted November 19, 2009 @ 8:07 pm

what citys, please tell


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texasaggie
Comment posted November 19, 2009 @ 11:28 pm

Seems to me that someone named Hananova might be a little bit wary of complaining about illegal immigrants. If you draw too much attention to yourself, you might have not just the migra knocking on your door, but the FBI as well. They don't take too kindly to the things the Russian Mafia is doing in this country. They might want to know more about your “business” activities. Just saying.


texasaggie
Comment posted November 19, 2009 @ 11:31 pm

You know this how? From the same people who made up the story about ACORN? From the ever reliable wing nut universe?


Anonymous
Comment posted November 20, 2009 @ 4:33 am

I’ll take your word about Stalinism. I assume that you’ve had more experience with it than the rest of us.


xcott
Comment posted November 20, 2009 @ 12:10 am

Careful: the only evidence ACORN *was* involved is someone's say-so.

In fact, not only does Hoffman offer no evidence, he doesn't even give a well-defined accusation for what, exactly, ACORN supposedly did that rigged the final tally. It sounds like he's alleging mischief on the part of the election workers. Which ones?

The way chain of custody works in an election, you can't just make a vague allegation that paper ballots in a precinct were altered; that amounts to an accusation against specific election workers who had access to the ballots. So which little old lady is he accusing and in what precinct?


eddrone
Comment posted November 20, 2009 @ 12:35 am

Actually, Letterman meant the joke about the older daughter, but failed to check that she was the one at the ballpark. His error, but not his intent to talk about the 13-yr-old. But someone like you, who thinks an error like invading Iraq was 'just fine,' because 'they attacked us,' when, of course, they didn't, well, that's OK. There is a cost for making errors. A small cost for a small error — Letterman had to apologize that he got the wrong daughter in his joke — but we're all paying the large cost for Bush's errors, and the Palin-drones and tea-baggers just don't apologize, because they don't see that they were and are wrong. When such delusions become institutionalized in a political movement, there is really no dialogue possible. It's like putting lipstick on that famous pig; it doesn't make the pig smell any better, and it annoys him, too.

So, Palin-drone, don't go away mad; just go away.


republicanstupidity
Comment posted November 20, 2009 @ 12:42 am

HEY STUIPD IF YOU STOP READING NEWSMAX AND WATCHING FAUX NEWS YOU MAY LEARN THAT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY GAVE AMERICA THE LARGEST TAX CUT IN HISTORY…BUT YOU ARE TO DAMN STUPID TO SEE IT


republicanstupidity
Comment posted November 20, 2009 @ 12:43 am

PROVE IT OR IS THAT SOMETHING BESIDES THE 10 INCH BLACK DILDO THAT YOU PULLED OUT OF YOUR ASS


jdat11
Comment posted November 20, 2009 @ 1:06 am

Hananova, thank you for making my day, a good idiotic teabagger can always cheer it up


jdat11
Comment posted November 20, 2009 @ 1:07 am

what citys, please tell


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texasaggie
Comment posted November 20, 2009 @ 4:28 am

Seems to me that someone named Hananova might be a little bit wary of complaining about illegal immigrants. If you draw too much attention to yourself, you might have not just the migra knocking on your door, but the FBI as well. They don't take too kindly to the things the Russian Mafia is doing in this country. They might want to know more about your “business” activities. Just saying.


texasaggie
Comment posted November 20, 2009 @ 4:31 am

You know this how? From the same people who made up the story about ACORN? From the ever reliable wing nut universe?


xcott
Comment posted November 20, 2009 @ 5:10 am

Careful: the only evidence ACORN *was* involved is someone's say-so.

In fact, not only does Hoffman offer no evidence, he doesn't even give a well-defined accusation for what, exactly, ACORN supposedly did that rigged the final tally. It sounds like he's alleging mischief on the part of the election workers. Which ones?

The way chain of custody works in an election, you can't just make a vague allegation that paper ballots in a precinct were altered; that amounts to an accusation against specific election workers who had access to the ballots. So which little old lady is he accusing and in what precinct?


eddrone
Comment posted November 20, 2009 @ 5:35 am

Actually, Letterman meant the joke about the older daughter, but failed to check that she was the one at the ballpark. His error, but not his intent to talk about the 13-yr-old. But someone like you, who thinks an error like invading Iraq was 'just fine,' because 'they attacked us,' when, of course, they didn't, well, that's OK. There is a cost for making errors. A small cost for a small error — Letterman had to apologize that he got the wrong daughter in his joke — but we're all paying the large cost for Bush's errors, and the Palin-drones and tea-baggers just don't apologize, because they don't see that they were and are wrong. When such delusions become institutionalized in a political movement, there is really no dialogue possible. It's like putting lipstick on that famous pig; it doesn't make the pig smell any better, and it annoys him, too.

So, Palin-drone, don't go away mad; just go away.


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