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	<title>Comments on: Palin: &#8216;Death Panels&#8217; Aren&#8217;t Literally Panels of Death</title>
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		<title>By: adidas online</title>
		<link>http://washingtonindependent.com/68261/palin-death-panels-arent-literally-panels-of-death/comment-page-1#comment-159772</link>
		<dc:creator>adidas online</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jun 2010 13:21:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for this interesting post,i like it.</description>
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		<title>By: davidlittle</title>
		<link>http://washingtonindependent.com/68261/palin-death-panels-arent-literally-panels-of-death/comment-page-1#comment-134942</link>
		<dc:creator>davidlittle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 22:10:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What most of you are failing to understand is that &quot;death panel&quot;, &quot;communists&quot;, and those pesky &quot;1984&quot; references are not meant to be taken literally.  They are representative of what most conservatives suspect will be the end result of the policies/efforts being discussed. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Government intervention in health care will lead to government RUNNING the healthy industry, which will in turn lead to the necessity of establishing a bureacracy to determine the appropriate levels of care for individuals - in short, &quot;death panels&quot;.  Any bureaucratic body that may make a decision to disallow a life-saving procedure would be, by definition, a death panel.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Obama seems to think every problem can be solved by increased governmental interference.  Use that logic as a leader and you get a populace controlled by the governing body - a communist country.  Do it halfway and &quot;socialism&quot; really isn&#039;t a bad name for it.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;No one believes our country will ever magically turn into Oceania - instead, we&#039;ll become similar to it, one small step at a time.  The 1984 references are meant to invoke the image of what each of those small steps will lead to.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In other words, don&#039;t be stupid.  No one really thinks that Sarah Palin suspects death panels of lurking in her backyard and peeking in the windows.  To try to explain her comments in that fashion is beyond ridiculous and is merely a tool used by her detractors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What most of you are failing to understand is that &#8220;death panel&#8221;, &#8220;communists&#8221;, and those pesky &#8220;1984&#8243; references are not meant to be taken literally.  They are representative of what most conservatives suspect will be the end result of the policies/efforts being discussed. </p>
<p>Government intervention in health care will lead to government RUNNING the healthy industry, which will in turn lead to the necessity of establishing a bureacracy to determine the appropriate levels of care for individuals &#8211; in short, &#8220;death panels&#8221;.  Any bureaucratic body that may make a decision to disallow a life-saving procedure would be, by definition, a death panel.</p>
<p>Obama seems to think every problem can be solved by increased governmental interference.  Use that logic as a leader and you get a populace controlled by the governing body &#8211; a communist country.  Do it halfway and &#8220;socialism&#8221; really isn&#39;t a bad name for it.</p>
<p>No one believes our country will ever magically turn into Oceania &#8211; instead, we&#39;ll become similar to it, one small step at a time.  The 1984 references are meant to invoke the image of what each of those small steps will lead to.  </p>
<p>In other words, don&#39;t be stupid.  No one really thinks that Sarah Palin suspects death panels of lurking in her backyard and peeking in the windows.  To try to explain her comments in that fashion is beyond ridiculous and is merely a tool used by her detractors.</p>
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		<title>By: davidlittle</title>
		<link>http://washingtonindependent.com/68261/palin-death-panels-arent-literally-panels-of-death/comment-page-1#comment-117320</link>
		<dc:creator>davidlittle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 17:10:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What most of you are failing to understand is that &quot;death panel&quot;, &quot;communists&quot;, and those pesky &quot;1984&quot; references are not meant to be taken literally.  They are representative of what most conservatives suspect will be the end result of the policies/efforts being discussed. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Government intervention in health care will lead to government RUNNING the healthy industry, which will in turn lead to the necessity of establishing a bureacracy to determine the appropriate levels of care for individuals - in short, &quot;death panels&quot;.  Any bureaucratic body that may make a decision to disallow a life-saving procedure would be, by definition, a death panel.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Obama seems to think every problem can be solved by increased governmental interference.  Use that logic as a leader and you get a populace controlled by the governing body - a communist country.  Do it halfway and &quot;socialism&quot; really isn&#039;t a bad name for it.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;No one believes our country will ever magically turn into Oceania - instead, we&#039;ll become similar to it, one small step at a time.  The 1984 references are meant to invoke the image of what each of those small steps will lead to.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In other words, don&#039;t be stupid.  No one really thinks that Sarah Palin suspects death panels of lurking in her backyard and peeking in the windows.  To try to explain her comments in that fashion is beyond ridiculous and is merely a tool used by her detractors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What most of you are failing to understand is that &#8220;death panel&#8221;, &#8220;communists&#8221;, and those pesky &#8220;1984&#8243; references are not meant to be taken literally.  They are representative of what most conservatives suspect will be the end result of the policies/efforts being discussed. </p>
<p>Government intervention in health care will lead to government RUNNING the healthy industry, which will in turn lead to the necessity of establishing a bureacracy to determine the appropriate levels of care for individuals &#8211; in short, &#8220;death panels&#8221;.  Any bureaucratic body that may make a decision to disallow a life-saving procedure would be, by definition, a death panel.</p>
<p>Obama seems to think every problem can be solved by increased governmental interference.  Use that logic as a leader and you get a populace controlled by the governing body &#8211; a communist country.  Do it halfway and &#8220;socialism&#8221; really isn&#39;t a bad name for it.</p>
<p>No one believes our country will ever magically turn into Oceania &#8211; instead, we&#39;ll become similar to it, one small step at a time.  The 1984 references are meant to invoke the image of what each of those small steps will lead to.  </p>
<p>In other words, don&#39;t be stupid.  No one really thinks that Sarah Palin suspects death panels of lurking in her backyard and peeking in the windows.  To try to explain her comments in that fashion is beyond ridiculous and is merely a tool used by her detractors.</p>
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		<title>By: Remainders: Sarah Palin: like Reagan, only dumber, Rudy won&#8217;t be &#8216;America&#8217;s governor,&#8217; and more : The Reid Report</title>
		<link>http://washingtonindependent.com/68261/palin-death-panels-arent-literally-panels-of-death/comment-page-1#comment-108218</link>
		<dc:creator>Remainders: Sarah Palin: like Reagan, only dumber, Rudy won&#8217;t be &#8216;America&#8217;s governor,&#8217; and more : The Reid Report</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 20:33:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] panels&#8221; aren&#8217;t really &#8220;panels of death,&#8221; just like the Soviet Union wasn&#8217;t really an evil empire &#8230; see how that [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] panels&#8221; aren&#8217;t really &#8220;panels of death,&#8221; just like the Soviet Union wasn&#8217;t really an evil empire &#8230; see how that [...]</p>
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		<title>By: cbkeeler</title>
		<link>http://washingtonindependent.com/68261/palin-death-panels-arent-literally-panels-of-death/comment-page-1#comment-108168</link>
		<dc:creator>cbkeeler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 19:34:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This lady is so dumb that she scares me.  How has she done so well?  I admit that i follow her because i am fascinated that such a dummy can survive at her level.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This lady is so dumb that she scares me.  How has she done so well?  I admit that i follow her because i am fascinated that such a dummy can survive at her level.</p>
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		<dc:creator>kissugg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 08:01:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: marvin</title>
		<link>http://washingtonindependent.com/68261/palin-death-panels-arent-literally-panels-of-death/comment-page-1#comment-107767</link>
		<dc:creator>marvin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 22:56:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is trade article on this issue with more domain specific insight:&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.auntminnie.com/index.asp?Sec=sup&amp;Sub=wom&amp;Pag=dis&amp;ItemId=88292&amp;wf=3434&amp;d=1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.auntminnie.com/index.asp?Sec=sup&amp;Sub...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Although the study attempts to paint a picture that there is a vast difference in cost/benefit in earlier screening, we are still left with an impression that cost is involved.  This furthered by an editorial by Dr. Karla Kerlikowske at San Francisco Veterans Affairs Medical Center which accompanied the report that states:&lt;br&gt;&quot;About two additional breast cancer deaths are averted per 1,000 women who receive screening annually,&quot; Kerlikowske said. &quot;Annual screening increases costs, which includes doubling the number of mammography examinations, false-positive results, and breast biopsies, and increases the chance of overdiagnosis.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Note the increased cost.  A rebuttal to the findings is given Dr. Constance Lehman, medical director of radiology and director of breast imaging at the Seattle Cancer Care Alliance.  &quot;According to the ACS, 17% of breast cancer deaths in 2006 were among women who were diagnosed between ages 40 and 49,&quot; Lehman said. She says, &quot;We know that digital mammography significantly improves the detection of cancer in young women and in women with dense breast tissue. These well-documented facts are not included in the analyses that led to the change in recommendations.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;So the the facts have counter facts.  In this case, it cannot be denied that costs are a significant factor.  However, proponents will focus on cost to patient health with unnecessary treatment/exam.  Those opposed will point to increased benefit and blame financial costs as the reason for the new recommendations.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In short, this issue is anything but clear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is trade article on this issue with more domain specific insight:<br /><a href="http://www.auntminnie.com/index.asp?Sec=sup&#038;Sub=wom&#038;Pag=dis&#038;ItemId=88292&#038;wf=3434&#038;d=1" rel="nofollow">http://www.auntminnie.com/index.asp?Sec=sup&#038;Sub&#8230;</a></p>
<p>Although the study attempts to paint a picture that there is a vast difference in cost/benefit in earlier screening, we are still left with an impression that cost is involved.  This furthered by an editorial by Dr. Karla Kerlikowske at San Francisco Veterans Affairs Medical Center which accompanied the report that states:<br />&#8220;About two additional breast cancer deaths are averted per 1,000 women who receive screening annually,&#8221; Kerlikowske said. &#8220;Annual screening increases costs, which includes doubling the number of mammography examinations, false-positive results, and breast biopsies, and increases the chance of overdiagnosis.&#8221;</p>
<p>Note the increased cost.  A rebuttal to the findings is given Dr. Constance Lehman, medical director of radiology and director of breast imaging at the Seattle Cancer Care Alliance.  &#8220;According to the ACS, 17% of breast cancer deaths in 2006 were among women who were diagnosed between ages 40 and 49,&#8221; Lehman said. She says, &#8220;We know that digital mammography significantly improves the detection of cancer in young women and in women with dense breast tissue. These well-documented facts are not included in the analyses that led to the change in recommendations.&#8221;</p>
<p>So the the facts have counter facts.  In this case, it cannot be denied that costs are a significant factor.  However, proponents will focus on cost to patient health with unnecessary treatment/exam.  Those opposed will point to increased benefit and blame financial costs as the reason for the new recommendations.</p>
<p>In short, this issue is anything but clear.</p>
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		<title>By: turbowei</title>
		<link>http://washingtonindependent.com/68261/palin-death-panels-arent-literally-panels-of-death/comment-page-1#comment-107764</link>
		<dc:creator>turbowei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 22:47:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had a lengthy &quot;discussions&quot; with a teabagger over his language of referring to Obama&#039;s policy as &quot;Fascism&quot;.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Well, I shouldn&#039;t have bothered. He is technically competent, but I don&#039;t know how he had passed his humanities classes in college.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had a lengthy &#8220;discussions&#8221; with a teabagger over his language of referring to Obama&#39;s policy as &#8220;Fascism&#8221;.</p>
<p>Well, I shouldn&#39;t have bothered. He is technically competent, but I don&#39;t know how he had passed his humanities classes in college.</p>
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		<title>By: monkey99</title>
		<link>http://washingtonindependent.com/68261/palin-death-panels-arent-literally-panels-of-death/comment-page-1#comment-107714</link>
		<dc:creator>monkey99</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 21:20:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What we&#039;re seeing here is a dangerous use of the english language. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The teabaggers have been using Communism, Fascism, Socialism and even a reference to a &quot;1984&quot; concept-Oligarchy. They display behavior consistent with certain aspects of one form, to decry or discredit another. It&#039;s all over the place!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;So many things in recent months have been taken so far out of context by the baggers, it&#039;s hard to know what they want anymore. The only things you can be sure of is that they foster hate and fear. As much as I hate to admit it, there is still a knee-jerk reaction to all this confusion, with a great many people in this country. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;People like Sarah Palin are extremely dangerous to the stability of this country. While it&#039;s a fact she&#039;ll never see the White House from the inside, her ridiculous and insane comments are taken seriously by those predisposed to fear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What we&#39;re seeing here is a dangerous use of the english language. </p>
<p>The teabaggers have been using Communism, Fascism, Socialism and even a reference to a &#8220;1984&#8243; concept-Oligarchy. They display behavior consistent with certain aspects of one form, to decry or discredit another. It&#39;s all over the place!</p>
<p>So many things in recent months have been taken so far out of context by the baggers, it&#39;s hard to know what they want anymore. The only things you can be sure of is that they foster hate and fear. As much as I hate to admit it, there is still a knee-jerk reaction to all this confusion, with a great many people in this country. </p>
<p>People like Sarah Palin are extremely dangerous to the stability of this country. While it&#39;s a fact she&#39;ll never see the White House from the inside, her ridiculous and insane comments are taken seriously by those predisposed to fear.</p>
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		<title>By: Name</title>
		<link>http://washingtonindependent.com/68261/palin-death-panels-arent-literally-panels-of-death/comment-page-1#comment-107702</link>
		<dc:creator>Name</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 20:59:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Even before this HCR bill has passed, new guidelines have been released raising the age for Mammogram screening purely for cost purposes and not with studies demonstrating lack of effectiveness.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Perhaps in a parallel universe.  The actual recommendationw as based entirely on studies of effectiveness, and didn&#039;t actually consider cost.  From a fact check point of view, you got it wrong. From a rhetoric pointing out the obvious, you got it wrong.  In short, no matter how we measure it you are just plain wrong</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Even before this HCR bill has passed, new guidelines have been released raising the age for Mammogram screening purely for cost purposes and not with studies demonstrating lack of effectiveness.&#8221;</p>
<p>Perhaps in a parallel universe.  The actual recommendationw as based entirely on studies of effectiveness, and didn&#39;t actually consider cost.  From a fact check point of view, you got it wrong. From a rhetoric pointing out the obvious, you got it wrong.  In short, no matter how we measure it you are just plain wrong</p>
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