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Hey, David, did you see who she's partnering with now? Jonathan Harris Levy. he is apparently helping her with the $20,000 fine appeal. He is a fellow mail order, Taft law school graduate. He has some pretty nutty theories on the Iluminati and the vatican as well. Orly has a knack for attracing the kooks.

Actually, I am suprised orly didn't try to blame the Fort Hood shootings on Obama's Kenyan birth certificate.

She writes in fluent Runglish (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runglish)

I'm less interested in her legal acumen than I am interested in hearing her say “Moose and Squirrel”.

[...] for not preventing the massacre — has been echoed by numerous right-wing pundits. As David Weigel reported at the Washington Independent, "birther" lawyer Orly Taitz is arguing that the Fort Hood massacre [...]

Give her time to get worked up…

So does the Taft Law School coffee shop….LOL!

That sounds scary…

Too bad we aren't fluent in reading it…

Well there she goes again –

The undersigned counsel requests the court to strike out of the order unsupported, prejudicial, demeaning and defamatory language p8, line 22-24 insinuating that the military plaintiffs in this action are cowards and writing: “The court will not interfere in internal military affairs nor be used as a tool by military officers to avoid deployment. The court has a word for such a refusal to follow the orders of the President of the United States, but it will leave the issue to the military to resolve”. The undersigned has submitted to this court a letter from Captain Crawford, Legal Counsel to Admiral Malin, Chairman of Joint Chiefs of Staff, which clearly stated that the commander in Chief is considered a civilian and there is nothing military can do regarding his eligibility. Based on this response from the military the plaintiffs have brought this matter to the Federal court to ascertain legitimacy and allegiance of the Commander in Chief, who is not a part of the military. The order completely misstated the complaint and standing justification. Recent terrorist incident at Fort Hood has given this question paramount importance. This order has advocated blind obedience by the members of the military. If someone were to have common sense, brains and strength of character to challenge allegiance of Nidal Malik Hasan in court, after he made numerous anti-American and antimilitary statements, maybe 12 young boys wouldn’t be 6 feet under today, maybe 12 mothers and 12 fathers wouldn’t had their hearts ripped out of their chests and torn apart. Similarly, in the oral argument the undersigned counsel didn’t bring rhetoric, but rather she brought valid observations, as she pointed out to Mr. Obama’s actions from the beginning of his rein, when he almost immediately cut veteran’s health benefits by $500 million a year, while giving $900 million to Gaza, which is governed by a terrorist organization Hamas, which announced war on the United States of America. She argued that it is important to proceed with Mr. Obama’s eligibility action expeditiously and ascertain his Natural Born Status and allegiance expeditiously as tremendous harm can be done to this Nation and this military by one with questionable status and questionable allegiance. Therefore, the plaintiffs request all of the above language stricken and the standing reconsidered.

http://totalbuzz.freedomblogging.com/files/2009…

She is right.

We need less political correctness and more common sense when dealing with the military issues, including eligibility of the CiC.

Military courts are not the place to examine the eligibility of POTUS.
If soldiers have doubts about legality of the CiC and his orders – Federal court should be willing to address the issue based on merits – not dismiss it based on technicality.

Who said military courts are the appropriate place? Judge Carter clearly said that only Congress can remove a sitting President from office. Did you bother to read his Order?

It has nothing whatsoever to do with “political correctness.” It is about the constitutional separation of powers. That is hardly a “technicality.” As Judge Carter pointed out, the federal courts have limited power, and that is by constitutional design. If you are going to take issue with Judge Carter's written opinion, cite the caselaw on Article III standing, prudential standing, and separation of powers to prove you are right and he is wrong. Until you do that, you are just spouting your political viewpoint, not arguing the law.

Have you spoken to a professor at an accredited law school yet? If not, why not?

As for Orly Taitz, she is not right. She is a paranoid lunatic who knows less about the law than an experienced paralegal.

You're giving Taitz too much credence when you write that she knows less about the law than an experienced paralegal. I question if she really knows anything about the law. It's almost like Taitz is writing what she believes the law to be as show goes.

I am waiting for you guys to recommend one. I live close to Berkeley – should I ask John Yoo for a chat session?

Do you consider Obama a law professor? He calls himself one.

hahahaha, that was funny

The military would be wise to kick out all moslems. They are inherently the enemy of everybody including some of their own, even their own selves. But I suppose that would be profiling and not PC.

…is the wrong answer.

Unconstitutional. Sorry, KitKat, try again.

Call someone at Pepperdine, like Ken Starr.

Until you've done so, kindly refrain from commenting on things you clearly don't understand, like how the Constitution is based on British common law and not a Swiss philospher.

And oh, yes – why are you asking me for a recommendation? You seemingly had no problem “researching” all your birther “information,” so I am puzzled as to why you seemingly can't google “law schools” and check the faculty lists.

I'm also puzzled as to why you seem unclear on the President's former employment as adjunct faculty at a law school. That's well documented, even if he now calls him President of the United States in accordance with his election and confirmation by the Electoral College, as the Constitution requires.

You should demand that everyone is kicked out that is not exactly like you. It's not like this country is a melting pot founded by people escaping religious and political persecution.

Kitkat's not like me so I demand that KitKat be tossed out of the country.

Actually, some birthers have claimed that because the Constitution uses the term “Law of Nations” that it is explicitly based on Vatell’s book. However, they don’t realize that Vatell’s book is actually based on an earlier book titled “Law of Nations” written by the [i]Islamic[/i] scholar, Muhammad al-Shaybani, in the 8th century. So if they think that the commonly usd term, law of nations refers to a book, then they have to go to the original, Islamic source.

I think she beleives that the law in this country is the same as the law in Moldavia where she grew up.

1. Obama's law credentials:
a) Harvard Law Review editor with no papers published.
b) Law professor with no papers published.

Can we say “Affirmative Action”?

2. Could you define a “natural born citizen”?

–Can we say “Affirmative Action”?–

Ah, so you finally admit that your anger towards him is racial in nature.

It is amazing that you are willing to skip the two items I used as a basis for my claim and jump to the conclusion about racism.

Multiple times in the media interviews, Obama called himself a law professor. I am just pointing out that his career is full of examples of substandard work – yet being promoted.

This is a mark of Affirmative Action policy at work.

Do you have a better explanation for his law career?

1. Publication is not required of adjunct faculty, as you would know if you had the slightest acquaintance with academia. Also, whether he published anything in the law review or not is irrelevant. He passed the bar and was hired by a Chicago law school to teach part-time. Perhaps you should discuss this with the school in question?

2. Asked and answered. Have you contacted Pepperdine yet?

Perhaps that he taught as an adjunct to supplement his income?

You really should stop posting if all you can do is spew unsupported talking points, many disturbingly racist. You are coming across as increasingly unhinged, I'm afraid.

Shh! Don't tell them that! Their heads will explode, and what a mess that would be!

Perhaps that he taught as an adjunct to supplement his income?

You really should stop posting if all you can do is spew unsupported talking points, many disturbingly racist. You are coming across as increasingly unhinged, I'm afraid.

Did I say something that is not true? What unsupported talking points are you talking about?

Show me one example of a person (other than Obama) being elected as Harvard Law Review editor without publishing a single law paper?

He is a self anointed Constitutional law scholar.
He did not say that his title at the university was instructor/senior instructor. Professor sounds much better.

Using the title of a law professor is designed to create an image of an intellectual.

Reading the news on http://www.axjnews.com

http://axj.puntoforo.com/viewtopic.php?t=3052

Orly Taitz Protest Against Bill O'Reilly, Fox News Planned

I have no idea what you mean by “law credentials.”

Publication of articles is a requirement for tenure-track professors. President Obama was not a tenure-track professor.

You apparently have no understanding of law review. It is a student-run publication. Barack Obama, as a second-year law student, was elected to the position. Second-year law students generally don't have papers published.

“The law review president's election is a fussy affair, part intellectual debate, part frat house ritual. Obama was one of 19 candidates. As the 61 editors not running for the job debated the merits of the candidates behind closed doors on a Sunday morning in late February, the hopefuls cooked them breakfast, lunch, and dinner . Every few hours, the editors winnowed the list further, until just after midnight, when only Obama and a 24-year-old Harvard graduate named David Goldberg remained contenders .

At about 12:30 a.m., the editors called Obama into the room, told him he had won, and broke into applause.”

http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2007/…

Finally, I'm not going to argue with you about “natural born citizen.” I know your opinion, we disagree, and I won't waste time trying to convince you.

Sure, ask John Yoo — if you want the opinion of someone whose legal analyses have been publicly disowned by the Department of Justice he worked for, and who believes it is within the President's authority to smash the testicles of a small child in order to elicit information from the child's father.

I'm glad I got my law degree at Berkeley before John Yoo joined the faculty.

It's amazing that you continue to post here and ask the same questions over and over again. Are you senile?

He taught Constitutional law at an accredited law school as an adjunct, which was reflected in his title. His students still would have addressed him as “Professor,” which, again, you would know if you had any acquaintance with academia.

Your continual insistence that you are right about the definition of natural born citizen despite repeated refutations and a stubborn refusal to check with a law professor is most annoying. Please stop.

He was not tenure track.

He was offered tenure track several times. He declined. That is according to the University of Chicago Law School:

http://www.law.uchicago.edu/media

What work, specifically, was “substandard”?

What evidence do you have for “affirmative action”?

Here is a better explanation of his “law career”: he enjoyed teaching, it provided an additional source of income, he was very good at it (thus, the offers of a tenure-track position at one of the TOP TEN LAW SCHOOLS IN THE COUNTRY), but did not want to be a full-time law professor.

I think she believes that the law is what she says it is.

“Self-anointed”?

He taught Constitutional Law for 12 years at one of the top ten law schools in the country.

“From 1992 until his election to the U.S. Senate in 2004, Barack Obama served as a professor in the Law School. He was a Lecturer from 1992 to 1996. He was a Senior Lecturer from 1996 to 2004, during which time he taught three courses per year. Senior Lecturers are considered to be members of the Law School faculty and are regarded as professors, although not full-time or tenure-track.”

http://www.law.uchicago.edu/media

If you think he shouldn't be have been thought of as a professor, go argue with the University of Chicago Law School. They disagree with you.

But then we already know that you are your own specially qualified source of legal scholarship.

Talk about “self-anointed”!

You seem so certain that Obama is the “exception.” I assume you have done your research.

Please identify all past Presidents of the Harvard Law Review who at the time of election to the position had published papers in law journals.

What about white people? Better kick them out too. After all, Timothy McVeigh served in the U.S. Army. Then he killed 168 people and wounded 450. And a lot of those were white people. So white people are inherently the enemy of everyone including some of their own.

See a problem here?

“You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.” Anne Lamott, Traveling Mercies.

What did the “distinguished professor” publish prior or during his university career?

How many other professors obtained their possition without leaving any paper trail?

His real title at the university:
Affirmative Action Professor, LOL

He got used to getting it easy in life. What is wrong than to relax the POTUS eligibility rules? No Problem.

We will come up with the Affirmative Action NBC rule. LOL

Sorry. Tired of doing your research for you. When I was in law school, most “lecturers” were practicing lawyers or had other jobs, and did not publish. Publication of legal scholarship is almost exclusively the province of tenure-track or tenured professors.

Are you capable of answering questions? What work did he do that was substandard? Please be specific.

What evidence do you have of “affirmative action”?

He was elected President of Law Review. He was elected to the Illinois legislature. He was elected to the U.S. Senate. He was elected President.

How is that affirmative action?

By the way, what have you ever accomplished?

If my memory is correct, you mentined of being a law clerk for a California Supreme Court judge.

Is it true that law clerks do most of the research and write some opinions on behalf of the judge? (I understand that the judge would review and approve such work).

This would be similar to the practice in science and engineering fields where graduate students do a lot of work for their professors (research work, writing papers,.)

Law clerks do research and drafting, among other things. The judges do not “review and approve” the work. The judge typically tells the law clerk what he or she thinks is the proper disposition of the matter, and the law clerk may prepare an initial draft of the opinion. But the decisions issued are those of the judge, not of the law clerk. Even the brightest law clerk has very little influence over the views of an experienced judge.

NC: “Did I say something that is not true?”

Answer: Yes.

The “LOL” is at you, not with you.

“She is right” to kick all moslems out of the military? You are a world class nincompoop, NC. John Yoo, Orly, Kitkat: wow, you boast some fine company
LOL

Which our learned friend would know if s/he had the slightest acquaintance of how law firms, law schools, and the courts, would know.

*sigh*

Asked and answered, repeatedly. Either accept the answer from people who've actually worked in law firms or are attorneys, or move on.

Also, have you called Pepperdine or Berkeley yet? If not, why not?

I think you just outed yourself as a bigot.

Very sad.

You do not need to do any research for me. It was a rethorical question.
Obama published nothing related to his profession.

He was elected president because media would attack anyone questioning his eligibility, crying: racist, racist….

Electing the first black president was more important than preserving the Constitution.

Ah, your true racist colors shine thru, NC: GW got into Yale on his daddy's Legacy, despite his barely 'C' education. Those are facts.
Against those facts we have your opinion that Obama has benefitted from your ill-conceived notions
what constitutes Affirmative Action

Where does she mention that all moslems should be kicked out of the US military?

The excerpt from the beginning of this thread has no such statement.

Did you just invent it, then proceed to argue against it?

I also find it puzzling that anyone who financed his education through student loans could possibly be described as “getting it easy in life.”

That's a joke. Saw a photo of the 'protest' posted on Orly's Facebook page. Looks like they have them cordoned off in a very small area. A total of 3 people in the photo and Orly is the only one holding a sign. DON'T think it has been very effective….

The “she” in question was Kitkat, as you would know if you had paid to attention to what you read.

Have you called Pepperdine yet?

You have said much that is not true, and even more that is unsupported by American law.

Please stop making a fool of yourself. It is most unbecoming.

There is radicalism in all religions. The far right Christians that kill abortion doctors would be a good example. The KKK who uses Christianity as a basis for hanging a black man.

It's muslims. Not moslems.

You will not hear me denying that GW got ahead in life because of his father. He would never have become a US president without family connections.

Regarding C education. It is true – but he got slightly better grades than his Dem party oponents in both 2000 and 2004.

In defense of all of them, we have to acknowledge that at the time when they attended the college, that grade erosion was not as big problem as it is today.

How did Obama got into Harvard? What grades did he get at Columbia? Media told us these details about past candidates/presidents. In Obama's case – this information is off llimits. Why? To mask the mediocre grades at Columbia?

the statement currently at the beginning of this thread concerns PC and removing Muslims from the US military. I assume this is what you are agreeing with. Read it and then accuse me again of making it up.

So, we agree that Obama published nothing in the law field?

You can continue defending him that it was not required – sure he was not tenured professor and it was not a requirement.

It would be interesting to find out if the University of Chicago Law school hired anyone as an instructor who did not have any publicatons in his field either as a student or later on in career.

Once again, you are speculating and have no facts to back you up. Those 2000 and 2004, opponents of Bush were also white, but only regarding Obama do you propose Affirmative Action
typical

Go up the thread and the first article in this one was written by Antibirther. It contains the lengthy excerpt from Orly's latest court submission.

I made my previous comment based on that assumption.

I cannot read your mind if you are making out-of-sequence comments on my post. When you do such thing, it would be nice to mention the author and the comment the quote came from.

You are completely missing the point. ADJUNCT FACULTY are not required to publish, nor do working attorneys normally publish anything at all.

You clearly are arguing for the sake of arguing. Stop it. You are not going to change the legal field by making an ass of yourself on a blog.

Also, have you called Pepperdine yet? Perhaps the professor you contact could explain just how lawyers are educated, in addition to spelling out the law on natural born citizens.

Utter nonsense, or have you forgotten that the media was firmly behind Hillary Clinton until the day she finally conceded the primary to Senator Obama?

And yes, you are a racist. You clearly don't see yourself as such, but you are. Disgusting.

My comment “she is right” was written in response to Anitbirther post about Orly.

If somebody uses this quote after my post (without any references to another post), I assume that the context remains the same.

When white candidates were on the ballot we knew much more about their past. With Obama – not so much.

Affirmative Action is used to promote diversity. I think that is how Obama got into Harvard, became a HLR editor, and ultimately placed on presidential ballot without verifying his eligibility.

If he was that brilliant, as the media would want us to believe, why would his Columbia records be sealed? He got into Harvard on his own merit, right?

Thread was getting too tight below.

Here is a link to the names and email addresses of all current University of Chicago “Lecturers in Law.” There are dozens of them. You can email them, ask them their gender, race, religion, whatever, and ask if they had any scholarly publications when they were hired. While you are at it, why don't you ask them if they think Barack Obama was an affirmative action hire by the University of Chicago Law School:

http://www.law.uchicago.edu/people/faculty/all/…

Hillary Clinton's campaign tried to make an issue of this. The voters weren't swayed. That is the electoral process.

His college records are sealed. We do not know how Obama financed his education. There is a speculation that he got scholarship as a foreign student and that is the reason for making records off the limit.

He “bought” a house in a sweet deal with Rezko.

His wife got highly paid job at the University of Chicago hospital.

I heard that position was never filled after she left it. Was it created in the frist place as a favor to Sen. Obama?

Sad. You are replaying the memes from the 2008 campaigns against Obama. You are living in the past. Sad.

I've also noticed that you ask lots of questions, but you almost never answer any.

Final point: America has had 44 Presidents. 43 have were white males. And you want to spout off about “affirmative action”?

Further research: members of the Harvard Law Review published unsigned “Case Comments.” Obama wrote one, which was published before he was elected President of the Harvard Law Review.

“Obama's article, which begins on page 823 of Volume 103 of the Harvard Law Review, is available in libraries and subscription-only legal databases.”

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12705…

Sad. You seemed somewhat rational, until you went off on the “affirmative action” issue.

By the way, what have you accomplished in your life? Why should anyone care about your opinion?

Using relaxed eligibility criteria for a minority candidate is sad, indeed.

Obama's college records are still sealed. You are not even trying to answer that one.

The same affirmative action admittion rules in California are discriminating against Asians and their admission to UC system . We got to have a quota of other minorities, it does not matter that they are not as qualified.

Keyes challenged the placement of Obama's name on CA presidential balllot. Is he a racist too for daring to question the “chosen one”?

The fact that 43 white males were previous presidents does not mean that eligbility rules should be lowered to enable a minority candidate to qualify.

Same set or rules must apply to all candidates.

Learn who is wasting OUR tax dollars by hiring bloggers in a feeble and ILLEGAL attempt to give the totally false impression Obama has “grassroots support”. Search “The Obama Justice Department’s Secret Blogging Team… Is it Illegal?”.

1. If the article was unsigned, and previously unattributed how do we know that Obama was the author? Politico says nothing about methods used to trace the article to Obama.
And finally they comment on the article without publishing it? WTF?

They should have published it on Politico.

Obama never signes anything – no paper trail to document his life – kind of interesting for a candidate who promised transparency.

2. What do you want to know about me?
Is it enough that I grew up in a communist country – I have seen party leaders padding their resumes all the time and state media praising their intellectual capabilities. Sounds familiar?

I've seen messianic leader's rise from obscurity, bringing the promise of change, having speeches in front of a million people – only to result in civil war and country destruction few years down the line. Now you know where I was born.

Anything else you want to know?

“We got to have a quota of other minorities, it does not matter that they are not as qualified.”

Wrong. California law prohibits racial quotas or any consideration of race in University of California admissions.

Recent changes in admissions criteria (which don't take effect for nearly 3 years) actually benefit white students most, not other minorities:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30393117/

Can you post a link to the “quotas” you mention?

If my memory is correct (I will have to search for it later on) the eligiblity for UC system is based on relative criteria. Certain percentage of top students from each school district is eligible to attend the UC system.

This is a run around that allows students from bad districts to qualify for UC system, while some students from more competitive school districts would not qualify.

As long as you do not apply the same standard to all students (SAT tests or some other “entrance exam”) discrimination will take place.

Fifteen to twenty people showed up in Manhattan with Oily Taintz to protest against Fox and Bill O'Reilly for calling birthers stupid.

Hannity estimated the crowd was closer to 1.2 million people and he had video footage to prove it.

“Again, we found out that President Obama was born in Hawaii.. we were sent the documents. And what are you gonna do? I don't know why it's still around…”
- Bill O'Reilly

Prove it.

Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean someone is not actually out to get you.

Where is the special prosecutor to investigate the use of NEA funds for political purpose? Using taxpayers' money to fund propaganda projects supporting the administration is illegal.

What documents did O'Reilly see? Image on factcheck.org?

Lawdy Lawd, you gotta love the logic

“A newly discovered fact, material to this action, that was the reason for most errors in the order, is the fact that on October 1, 2009 Your Honor hired as your law clerk an attorney Siddharth Velamoor, who previously worked for Perkins Coie, a law firm representing the defendant in the above case, Mr. Obama.”

So the errors were because of the judge’s law clerk, right, I got it.

“Mr. Sinclair has stated that Mr. Donald Young has contacted him repeatedly and stated that he had a homosexual relationship with Mr. Barack Obama and that Mr. Young was found dead with multiple gunshot wounds December 23, 2007 at the onset of 2008 Democratic primary elections.”

Man! She was just busting to get that in there wasn’t she? And because Mr. Sinclair, who failed a lie detector test on the subject, (because the Obots rigged it) said that the dead guy said he had sex w/Obama too, so it HAS to be true.

Well I guess that flat out proves Obama Killed Young, right? And the only “real” lie was told by the lie detector, okay, I got it.

Okay we’ve got $20K, anyone want to go for $40K?

Show me yur paypurs. I wanna see yur paypurs.

Full news story here:

Orly Shuts Down Fox News

http://wonkette.com/412139/orly-taitz-shuts-dow…

Well, who determines which documents are included into the court records?

Recently judge Land blasted Orly quoting a document that was later on removed from the court records because it was not certified.

Is it clerk's responsibility to make sure that only “eligible” documents are included?

Geeeeezzzz! I hope it isn't illegal cuz where am I going to get my paycheck?

Politico couldn't publish the Comment because the Harvard Law Review holds the copyright. Maybe you've heard of copyright protection?

The Comment was unsigned because that was the practice of the Harvard Law Review with respect to ALL student-written comments. There was no conpiracy.

The article says that a source told Politico about Obama's authorship of the Comment, and the Obama campaign confirmed it. I suppose you want the Comment's long-form birth certificate.

I don't give a rat's ass where you are from. You don't like affirmative action, so let's talk about merit: what have you, personally, accomplished in life that anyone else should give any weight to your opinions?

So you lied about quotas.

I think Oily is in competition with her lover boy, Chucky. She would like to get sanctioned for $150,000 at the very minimum so she can surpass his sanctions.

I think Oily is in competition with her lover boy, Chucky. She would like to get sanctioned for $150,000 at the very minimum so she can surpass his sanctions.

“So, apparently you believe anyone who questions Obama's lack of Constitutional qualifications is a “rabid right winger”? WRONG! I voted for Obama, now I DEMAND to see PROOF . . .”

You wrote that, Ernestine! You say you voted for Obama, and then after he was elected you decided to check his qualifications. I'll ask again, because you didn't answer before: do you test drive a new car AFTER you've bought it? How stupid are you?

My bet is Ernest isn't even registered to vote…

Not really.
I did not use precise language. The quota I was thinking off was % of top students from bad districts guaranteed to get into UC system.

Not really.
I did not use precise language. The quota I was thinking off was % of top students from bad districts guaranteed to get into UC system.

Not really.
I did not use precise language. The quota I was thinking off was % of top students from bad districts guaranteed to get into UC system.

How Fox News reports. The last 'tea party' in Washington is blown open by Jon Stewart. As Hannity is reporting on it, the video Fox shows initially has autumn trees and a clear sky in it. Then it switches to show the masses that showed up. Only problem is the trees are now green and the sky cloudy.

So funny…

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-november-…

The man is simply complaining that he got a lemon.

What about those who asked for the test drive and did not get it before the purchase? We got stuck with lemon too.

I clerked in an appellate court. In an appellate court, new evidence isn't allowed. Cases are heard “on the record” established in the trial court.

I don't work for Judge Land, I don't know Judge Land, and I don't know how he runs his chambers. If you want to know the answer to your question, why don't you call his chambers and ask?

Clay D. Land
U.S. District Judge
Post Office Box 2017
Columbus, Georgia 31902

Scheduling/Courtroom Clerk:
Pam Sweeden – (706)649-7812

The “birth certificate” issue was public LONG before the election. The Obama campaign posted the Certificate of Live Birth on its website in June 2008, in response to questions that were raised. Factcheck looked into it in August:

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in…

The Freepers (as well as dozens of other conservative websites disagreed with Factcheck:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2066…

If Ernest wasn't convinced, he shouldn't have voted for Obama. If he wasn't paying attention, he shouldn't have voted, period. Same for you.

I posted link above. You now have access to names and email addresses of all Chicago Law School lecturers. Go find out for yourself.

1. What a pitty. The only document that could illuminate Obama's brilliance as a student is copyrighted.

Unnamed source confirmed it.

The familiar story of Obama's life. There is always an excuse to hide his past from public.

2. It is easier to spot patterns of behavior after you lived through a similar situation.

I paid attention, voted against the lemon and still got stuck with it.

There were numerous lawsuits before the elections – but courts did not want to interfere with the political process, they “punted the ball to the electorate”.

Media portrayed it as a non-issue. How could they do otherwise since they were in the business of electing Obama?

After the elections, politicians did not want to interfere with the judicial process.

We can at least make some noise, and hope that somebody will address the eligibility problem.

You live near Berkeley? Trust me — the Law School has an excellent library. You can look up the Comment there: Volume 103, Harvard Law Review, page 823. Copyright does not mean “hidden” and it is “the law,” not an “excuse.” But now you have no excuse not to look it up at the law library. If you don't want to go to Berkeley, then try the Alameda County Law Library:

http://www.co.alameda.ca.us/law/

I checked the catalog of the Alameda County Law Library, and they have Volume 103 on microfiche.

So you have no accomplishments worth mentioning?

I completed a graduate school in the USA and work in private sector contributing more than 20k per year in Fed and State taxes.

If you are employed by the government, I have been paying part of your salary :-).

I voted against Bush/Cheney in 2000 and 2004. Stuck with two lemons twice. And watched as they violated the Fourth Amendment, violated international treaties, and lied to the American public and to the United Nations to start the war in Iraq.

Make your noise. That is your right, and while I may disagree with your views, I support your right to express them. My point was that Ernest was foolish to vote for Obama and, only then, decide that Obama hadn't proven his eligibility. With the right to vote comes the responsibility to be informed.

I’m in private law practice. So rest assured, your taxes are not ending up in my pocket.

Have you called Pepperdine or another accredited law school yet?

You have made many assumptions, most of them based on faulty logic and information. Alas.

If your contributions to this forum are representative of your graduate work, you should demand a refund. “Logic” of the sort you have demonstrated thus far would have gotten you kicked out of most grad schools, including the ones I attended.

As for your income and tax contributions, they are not relevant.

Opinion is not fact. Or didn’t they teach you that in graduate school?

You are a racist and don’t even know it. Sad.

What “eligibility standards” have been lowered to allow the President to be elected? He meets all Constitutional requirements so I do not understand why you claim this.

As for Alan Keyes, he may or may not be a racist, but he’s jealous and resentful of Obama beating him in the Senate race a few years back.

It’s not a formal quota and you know it. Stop arguing in bad faith, and call Pepperdine!

1. He was not eligible for such a scholarship because he is an American citizen. Stop spreading this lie.

2. He bought a house with the royalties from his book. His connection to Tony Rezko was minimal.

3. His wife’s profession is not relevant, unless you have decided to resort to smearing her and her former employer(s) as well. Are you truly so desperate?

The more you say, the worse you look.

Ask O'Reilly, dumbass.

This gets funnier by the hour.

The well-known dentist Orly Taitz, Esq, wasn't bright enough to gain admission to an accredited law school. She chose the bizarre path of 'certification' through an unaccredited online outfit instead. This tells us all we need to know about the incompetence of her court filings, and the inevitability of her disbarment.

She attacks Fox News, the best friend the birthers ever had. Such is her concept of loyalty.

Her best friend, Sean Hannity, gets caught faking a film clip and grossly exaggerating turnout at an anti-health care rally.

Now she attacks the US military, as part of the ceaseless mania of her hatred for President Obama. This sort of subversion is exactly what destroyed the career of her counterpart in disloyal madness, Sen Joseph McCarthy.

We can hardly wait for the Army-Taitz hearings!

For that, I would even watch Fox.

More good fun.

Please note that the 'Kenyan birth certificate' was supposed to have been filed on a Saturday, a day when the office was — unfortunately for the well-known dentist Orly Taitz — actually closed.

What a hoot!

“The forged birth certificate, released early on Sunday morning, was quickly picked apart by a growing online community of freelance “birther” debunkers. It was marked as an official February 1964 document from the “Coast Province” of the “Republic of Kenya.”

“But there was no “Coast Province” in 1964, and Kenya was not yet a Republic. It was off by one year on the age of Barack Obama, Sr. It was signed by “E.F. Lavender,” which happened to be the name of a popular soap in Kenya, and “entered at the District Registry Office” on August 5, 1961, a Saturday when the office would have been closed.

“Late Monday evening, TWI reported that the certificate had significant similarities to an unrelated Australian birth certificate, which may have been the source of the forgery.”

Orly Taitz trades in lies, forgeries, and fraud — as do those birthers who support her demented nonsense.

Step up guys — show yourselves! Don't be ashamed. If you really want to be led by a madwoman, don't be afraid to say so.

If she's the best you can do, well… so be it.

Look at the bright side, at least you got domestic lemons, not the imported ones :-).

Give some credit to Ernest too, when the available information changes people are entitled to change their opinion.

Regarding 4th Amendment – which particular policy violated it; is it still in place?

One of the reasons why I do not trust Dr. Fukino is example from previous administration when faulty CIA intelligence was used to claim the existence of WMDs in Iraq. We had numerous high ranking government officials claiming something that proved to be false.
In the eligibility case, the proof is very simple to obtain, just one court discovery process away. Even without it we could figure out whether Obama was indeed born in Hawaii if DoH followed the state law and released public information.

I am sure I got more sound education and moral clarity than the usurper-in-chief.

How about you – what do you do for living?

You are late to the party, aren't you?

Go on YouTube and listen the admission of the ambassador of Kenya in USA, when asked about president-elect Obama's birthplace. This was a phone interview with a Detroit radio station last year.

Oh, you pitiful goof: the entire interview has been discredited by none other than your pals at WorldNet Daily. It turns out the Kenyan Ambassador was referring to Mr Obama's FATHER, and NOT the President himself.

If only you boobs knew how to read English…

SOURCE: http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=82031

If only you boobs knew how to tell the truth…

SOURCE: WorldNet Daily headline — “Embassy: Obama not born in Kenya. Office claims ambassador was speaking about president-elect's father in radio interview.”

And if you boobs realized that when even Bill O'Reilly acknowledges Mr Obama was born in Hawaii, you really don't have a stump to stand on.

You are an utterly discredited and spent force, consisting of traffickers in forged documents, misrepresented events, and absurd timelines.

Other than that, there is much to admire about your numerous mental illnesses.

Naturalizedcitizen nevers does any research. All he or she does is ask questions. I have provided NC with lots of links, in hopes NC might actually try to gather some facts. No such luck.

People are asking for facts and being ignored. I am entitled to have an opinion based on the limited set of facts presented to public.

Where is the record from Columbia indicating the grade point average if not the course list? We hear all the time how brilliant Obama is. If we knew what his college grades were, we would know if the media image was true or not. We would know for sure if his admission to Harvard was based on merit or AA policy.

What is there to hide? He stepped into the spotlight by running for the office of US president. Nobody forced him to expose his life to the public.

I do not buy into his image, nor do I believe in political correctness – does it make me a racist?

So you can provide me with copies of the certified birth records of George W. Bush and Dick Cheney, and certified proof that their parents were all citizens of the United States at the time they were born?

Didn't think so. You never asked for such proof, did you? Of course not. They are white.

You bitterness that a black man was elected President is palpable. What happened? Do you feel that you didn't get the educational or job opportunities you deserved because of black students or job applicants?

(Just rhetorical questions. I''m not really interested in what goes on in your head).

Listen to it with you own ears and judge whether ambassador was confused or not.

Hey Ernie! Good to hear from you. Last time you ventured here, you were repeatedly challenged to name these mysterious “DOJ bloggers”.

You claimed they were named in a right-wing blog you yourself cited.

But — Ernie — you couldn't do it! You couldn't provide even one name. Not one. You just made it up. And then, sigh, you ran away.

Now you're back, telling the same tired old lie. You also talked about Mr Obama stealing the SSNs of dead people. When you were challenged to provide even one name and SSN — even one — you provided a name that doesn't exist.

Apparently, in your venal efforts to tell lies about Mr Obama, it never occurred to you that we could go to the Social Security Death Index and test your claim. We did. You failed. The number you provided was NEVER assigned to the name you provided. Your whole story was another lie and delusion.

You crackpots give rich new meaning to the word “obsessed”.

So, welcome back! Good to see you're still peddling your parrotry. Keeps you off the streets.

I did. Even WorldNet Daily understood what the Ambassador said, correctly. You don't.

Birther crackpots like yourself appear utterly incapable of disinterested listening to anyone or anything that does not comport to your diseased view of the world.

BTW: how did the 'Kenyan birth certificate' manage to get issued when the office was closed, before Kenya was a republic, and provide Mr Obama Senior's age in error?

You guys really have to hire better-qualified forgers. I recommend Clifford Irving.

Uhhh… talking about “late to the party”. Your bogus radio mis-representation was broadcast one entire year ago.

Your unprincipled efforts to put that one over have failed as greatly as have all your other cons. You have failed in EVERY SINGLE court action. They have all been thrown out as the rubbish they are.

BTW, how's Orly's disbarment going? Jes' askin'.

Not quite. You ARE the lemon.

Go back to Russia. You are not wanted here, Orly.

Actually when I did a thesis on world religions in 1969 M-O-S-L-E-M was the correct spelling of a word which really has no correct English spelling. Muslims at that time were the domain of the Black Muslims now known as the Nation of Islam.

Did Obama attend Occidental College as a foreigner using an Indonesian passport? There is a “Saetoro” listed as a foreign student from the Indonesian town that Obama lived in who went to Occidental College when Obama did? Coincidence?

There is no “eligibility problem”.

There is a “birther problem”, made up in equal measure of a “forgers problem”, a “dissemblers problem”, and a “paranoids problem”.

The underlying problem is not documentation. Even Bill O'Reilly can tell you that.

The underlying problem is that you are mentally disordered. You cannot be challenged by fact, because you cannot distinguish it from fiction. You have lost all capacity to read the world, and to engage in scholarly pursuit of significant issue.

The only “eligibility problem” is yours. Are you really eligible to engage in rational discourse? It would seem not. Your obsession has blinded you to objectivity.

I'll admit that you must be fun at parties.

There were no reports of either Bush of Cheney being born in three different countries, two different Hawaii hospitals.
I am sure that media would not let that slip by. There were no eligibility lawsuits.

I got introduced to the eligibility issue when reading about Ron Paul. Some of his supporters challenged McCain's eligibility. Then I learned about Phil Berg and his lawsuit. That made me think about what was going on…

Where shall we put the plaque commemorating the birth of 44th US President?

Has anyone else noticed that 'Naturalized Citizen' makes the same grammatical and syntactical errors as Orly Taitz?

For example: “Where is the special prosecutor to investigate the use of NEA funds for political purpose?”

OR, “Federal court should be willing to address the issue based on merits – not dismiss it based on technicality.”

OR. “We got stuck with lemon too.”

Notice — this writer makes the same error, repeatedly, of confusing the singular and plural forms. This is utterly typical of Orly Taitz. Virtually every posting of 'naturalized citizen' contains the same written errors made by Orly Taitz in her own semi-literate postings and depositions.

I think it possible that Orly herself is sending in all of these mad missives. Her bad grammar has given her away.

Surprise.

Has anyone else noticed that 'Naturalized Citizen' makes the same grammatical and syntactical errors as Orly Taitz?

For example: “Where is the special prosecutor to investigate the use of NEA funds for political purpose?”

OR, “Federal court should be willing to address the issue based on merits – not dismiss it based on technicality.”

OR, “We got stuck with lemon too.”

Notice — this writer makes the same error, repeatedly, of confusing the singular and plural forms. This is utterly typical of Orly Taitz. Virtually every posting of 'naturalized citizen' contains the same written errors made by Orly Taitz in her own semi-literate postings and depositions.

I think it possible that Orly herself is sending in all of these mad missives. Her bad grammar has given her away.

Surprise.

Did Obama attend Occidental College as a foreigner using an Indonesian passport? NO

There is a “Saetoro” listed as a foreign student from the Indonesian town that Obama lived in who went to Occidental College when Obama did?
THIS IS NOT A QUESTION. IT IS A DECLARATIVE SENTENCE. PLEASE RE-PHRASE, IN PROPER ENGLISH.

Better yet, please learn proper English, Orly.

Coincidence? YES

More evidence that 'naturalizedcitizen' is actually Orly Taitz. Again, the same childish grammatical error:

“If he has some other documents – he should publish it for the rest of us to see.”

In proper English, one would write, “…documents – he should publish THEM…”

Orly, you really have to learn the difference between singular and plural referential forms. Your bad English gives you away, and your bad legal tactics are getting you disbarred.

More evidence that 'naturalizedcitizen' is actually Orly Taitz. Again, the same childish grammatical error:

“If he has some other documents – he should publish it for the rest of us to see.”

In proper English, one would write, “…documents – he should publish THEM…”

Orly, you really have to learn the difference between singular and plural referential forms. Your bad English gives you away, and your bad legal tactics are getting you disbarred.

Your initial post refers to the old stuff. You posted it as if it was something new. That is why I used the “late to the party” comment and wanted to point you towards something that predates content described in your comment.

Did you hear the radio broadcast or not? I am not a native English speaker and had no trouble understanding questions asked by the DJ.

The mal-described radio interview was as nonsensical then as it remains today. I listened to it. It provides no evidence whatsoever that Mr Obama was born in Kenya, or Zanzibar, or Iceland. Zero.

Your 'Kenyan birth certificate' is a self-evident, laughable forgery.

Orly: you are clearly not a native speaker.

Alas, you understand neither our language, nor our law.

1. From WND story: (Clark is the name of the radio station DJ who asked the question).
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“…
He said the embassy's recent claims that the ambassador was speaking about Barack Obama Sr. don't add up.

“If you listen to the call in its entirety, you will find it was very obvious we were all talking about President-elect Barack Obama and not his father,” Clark said. “So, the idea that he thought we were talking about his father seems a little far fetched to me.”

Clark said Ogego's statement that Obama's Kenyan birthplace was already an attraction caught them off guard.

“The point is, we expected him to say, 'No. Obama was not born in Kenya, but there is an attraction to honor his father.' I would of thought that would of been the answer if anything,” he said.
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The DJ thought that ambassador was talking about president-elect, the same way I did when listening to the complete call.
Few printed excerpts from the WND article are not sufficient to judge the context of the conversation.

2. I never claimed that Kenyan birth certificate is authentic. There is an easier way to determine Obama's birthplace. Hawaii state law makes certain documents public. When there is enough noise in the media the Hawaii DoH will have to release it instead of covering for Obama.

BTW, we notice that you have not denied that you are, in fact, Orly Taitz. Your many grammatical errors are so similar that such a forensic and linguistic trail is all the evidence we need.

YOU ARE ORLY TAITZ, operating under yet another alias.

If you deny it, you must prove it. We want documents. Witnesses. Evidence. Photographs. PROVE you are not Orly Taitz!

While you are at it, prove that you were not with Glenn Beck on that dark night in 1990.

We await your feeble efforts, Orly.

No corrections in this post, professor?

Very good, Orly, but you have been peddling this nonsense for months, and have been thrown out of every court to which you have tried to sell it.

NO ONE BELIEVES YOU.

Your stories are based on forged documents, bald lies, grotesque distortions, suborning perjury, and an apparent insistence that the world is flat.

NO ONE BELIEVES YOU.

You are a spent and discredited force. I recommend your friend Mr Clonazepam.

None! Your best yet! Well done!

Keep up the good work, practice your English, and avoid telling preposterous lies.

Then, you may come out of the corner and join the normal children.

Still waiting… and waiting… for you to PROVE that you are not Orly Taitz. Please don't expect us to take your word for it.

We want documents. Lots of documents. Photos, witnesses, affidavits, depositions, and all of your birth certificates.

Please file them in triplicate with at least 56 different federal courts.

We can wait.

Read the report prepared by the licensed private investigator from Ohio. It was submitted to judge Carter.

You will find out that Obama used a duplicate SS# from CT. The same number was previously issued to a person born in 1890.

Then ask yourself, why would a person (allegedly born in the USA) use a fraudulent SS#?

Do you wear a brown shirt?

Good try. I see you've been talking to Ernie.

Be precise: what is the full name and the SSN of the dead man from whom you purport Mr Obama stole same?

We can wait.

Where shall we put the plaque commemorating the birth of 44th US president?

Only the one I borrowed from you, Orly.

I am not running for the office of the US President. As a naturalized citizen I am not eligible to run.

Obama is not eligible either – as a dual citizen at birth he owed loyalty (allegiance) to Great Britain.

This is exactly the situation that founding fathers wanted to prevent – a person with dual loyalties at birth becoming a commander of US military.

Unsurprisingly, you provide no evidence.

However, if you go to the website of the esteemed (and soon to be disbarred) Orly Taitz, Esq, you find the following from one Susan Daniels. It reads:

“The Honorable Judge David O. Carter
Ronald Reagan Federal Building and U. S. Courthouse
411 West 4th Street
Santa Ana, CA 92701-4516

Dear Judge Carter:

I am the private investigator who contacted Dr. Orly Taitz when I found that Barack Obama has been using a bogus social security number for years, which is a felony. I have been a licensed investigator for almost fifteen years and recognized it immediately as fraudulent.

If you had allowed Discovery and required the SSA to release his alleged application for that number (and I do not believe such an application exists), you would have realized it, too. Numbers are issued to a person in the state where they are living. Between 1977-79 when it was issued, he was living in Hawaii not Connecticut.

I now realize that you always intended to dismiss the case, because that’s what you were ordered to do. You have bartered your integrity for a lofty position and a hefty pension. Shame on you.

The men and and women in the military will continue to die under the direction of someone who is not entitled to hold the position of Commander in Chief and who is nothing more than a Chicago thug with questionable loyalties.

Semper Fi? I think not.”

You will see that she provides NO EVIDENCE that Mr Obama or anybody else has fraudulently used this SSN. None. Zero. Zip.

She also accuses the Judge of treason, and malfeasance.

Note also her incomprehensible language: “If you had allowed Discovery and required the SSA to release his alleged application for that number (and I do not believe such an application exists)… “

“Alleged application”?

According to this kook, Mr Obama was actually using the number. Now, he filed an “alleged application”? Which she doesn't even believe exists? Where do they get these nuts?

In any case, one does not apply for a precise number — one applies for registration, and a number is assigned.

A further problem with this Daniels kook: she purports to have had knowledge of a felony, which felony she claims has been unfolding “for years”.

She thus admits that she had knowledge of a felony “for years”, but never filed a police complaint. She is thus, by her own admission, guilty of another felony: aiding and abetting.

If Susan Daniels actually has a private investigator's license (an assertion yet to be proven), she will lose it when hauled off to jail for having failed to report a felony — a key condition of such a license.

Birthers lose again.

Hey Orly! We're still waiting for the stolen SSN and the name attached to it… and some proof that Mr Obama used it.

Any proof? Even a syllable?

A Russian syllable will do.

That is what the discovery process is all about. There is a sworn statement from a licensed PI submitted to the court.

There is no such document from anyone claiming Obama's Hawaiian birth. We only have an image of a document posted on the web as a proof.

Let's put the plaque in Pumpkinville, where I read he was REALLY born.

For obvious reasons, you failed to post this woman's “sworn statement”. I just did.

If you bothered to read it, you will see she provides no names. No SSNs. No connection whatever to Mr Obama.

In other words, just more of the usual birther madhouse of misinformation, hysteria, and screeching.

Is this really the best you can do?

We realize that you were sent here from another country, and that your English is second-rate, Orly, but, come on: this “sworn deposition” is just insensible.

This Daniels nut is about to lose her (perhaps non-existent) license, just like you are about to lose yours.

Please try again.

Still waiting.

Just one name.

Just one SSN.

That's all we ask — and, a proven connection to Mr Obama.

And one more thing: where were you with Glenn Beck on that dark night in 1990? You're still avoiding that one, too, I see.

Still waiting.

Just one name.

Just one SSN.

That's all we ask — and, a proven connection to Mr Obama.

And one more thing: where were you with Glenn Beck on that dark night in 1990? You're still avoiding that one, too, I see.

Ha ha.

You are not up to the speed. The copy of her license is included in the report submitted to judge Carter:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/21193983/DOC-86-2-Key…

http://www.scribd.com/doc/21193983/DOC-86-2-Key…

Orly Taitz, aka 'naturalizedcitizen', posted some while ago the following: “Read the report prepared by the licensed private investigator from Ohio. It was submitted to judge Carter. You will find out that Obama used a duplicate SS# from CT. The same number was previously issued to a person born in 1890.
Then ask yourself, why would a person (allegedly born in the USA) use a fraudulent SS#?”

+++++++ I read that “sworn deposition”. I posted that “sworn deposition” here.

Surprise! It contains NOT ONE NAME OF THE DEAD. NOT ONE SSN OF THE DEAD. And not one iota of evidence connecting Mr Obama to anything. It contained proof of nothing.

I will soon file a “sworn deposition” that Orly/naturalborn are, in fact, mentally disordered hysterics in need of a time out.

Who needs proof? For these clowns, all that is necessary is that someone say it, and — poof! — it's true.

I have it on the highest authority, and in a Sworn Deposition, that Orly Taitz was both on Planet Neptune and steals the SSNs — and wigs — of the dead.

Don't ask for proof. In your demented universe, Orly, none is required.

Zdravstvuite Comrades!

And the reason she failed / refused / neglected to report this alleged felony to the police is…?

And the reason she failed / refused / forgot to report this alleged felony to the police is…?

Strange that a subversive like yourself would know Russian…

Did you notice that reported SSN was from the state of CT? When did Obama live in Connecticut?

I noticed that YOUR reported SSN was from the state of AK.

When did you live in Anchorage?

The PI's report was very recent: signed on September 30, 2009. Her report was sent to court as a support evidence for judge Carter to order a discovery process. Court can verify whether report is correct and proceed accordingly.

Do you have any suggestions about who might be willing to initiate a formal investigation?

Not relevant since he has not used the SSN in question.

Have you called Pepperdine yet?

Sorry, debunked a year ago. Try again.

Have you called Pepperdine yet?

Perhaps English being your second (or third, or fourth language) is why you are unable to understand what you read, and why you so badly misunderstand the Constitution and the law.

*sigh*

Not only are you ignorant, you *like* being ignorant. I pity anyone who has to deal with you on a professional basis, since it cannot be pleasant.

Why should I waste my time reading incoherent, inaccurate, badly researched slop?

She has a license. So what? Her report is nonsense.

Verifying YOUR OWN REPORT is most certainly NOT what discovery is about.

Have you called Pepperdine yet?

Ah, the old “anyone who disagrees with me is a Nazi” gambit. Not nice or fair, and not relevant since you seem unable to distinguish Fascism from American democracy.

I’ll give you a hint: President Obama was elected after a grueling campaign. Hitler was appointed in a political deal with a senile general. Obama will step down in three or seven years with a smile and a handshake for his successor. Hitler had to be dislodged in a violent war. Obama abides by American principles like freedom of speech. Hitler sent his opponents to the death camps.

Very simple, and I’m surprised your citizenship test didn’t question you on this.

Ah, the old “anyone who disagrees with me is a Nazi” gambit. Not nice or fair, and not relevant since you seem unable to distinguish Fascism from American democracy.

I’ll give you a hint: President Obama was elected after a grueling campaign. Hitler was appointed in a political deal with a senile general. Obama will step down in three or seven years with a smile and a handshake for his successor. Hitler had to be dislodged in a violent war. Obama abides by American principles like freedom of speech. Hitler sent his opponents to the death camps.

Very simple, and I’m surprised your citizenship test didn’t question you on this.

Kapiolani Hospital in Honolulu.

Kapiolani Hospital in Honolulu.

“Moral clarity” is not taught in schools, as you would know if you’d attended one in America. Also, the winner of an election has not usurped anything.

My profession is no more relevant than yours, but if you must know, I am a historian.

“Moral clarity” is not taught in schools, as you would know if you’d attended one in America. Also, the winner of an election has not usurped anything.

My profession is no more relevant than yours, but if you must know, I am a historian.

Unfortunately, she has a small group of birthtards that do believe her and even come up with their own accusations to stoke the fire.

To be expected. On Orly's website – the protest against Bill O'Reilly was a huge success with many people showing up for the protest. I wonder what her idea is for many? Is she counting the people that were walking by during their lunch hour?

Your complaints about affirmative action do make you a racist. Too bad you don’t realize it.

Your complaints about affirmative action do make you a racist. Too bad you don’t realize it.

This is what is so stupid about all of this. You have no proof of these SSN's other than Orly claiming that he used them. The two so called 'private investigators' have linked the names with other people with the last name Obama or the same last names of relatives of Obama. How do they put two and two together and come to the conclusion that they were used by Barrack Obama? They even claim Michelle Obama used SSN's in Alabama to sell realestate. How in the hell can they make these claims? I know they don't have Barrack or Michelle's actual SSN's so it is beyond me to understand this or explain it other than utter stupidity.

Yes I'm sure. She probably even counted those walking by and laughing.

So, Orly, if you think someone has been tampering with your car, why were you driving in excess of 100 mph?

Do you have that much contempt for the law that you feel obligated to break them and put innocent people at risk?

And what’s up with the car tampering nonsense? Do you really thing that someone deliberately disconnected the fuel emissions hose? What would that have done, made you get poor gas mileage?

Why are you trying to communicate with somebody who is ignorant and unpleasant to deal with?

What does it say about you? Don't have anything better to do with your time?

It means that she is a professional investigator, who knows how to check for SSN used by a person.
Her report has been signed under the penalty of perjury.

How many people supporting Obama have done the same when it comes to the claim of his Hawaiian birth? What prevents you or any other Obama supporter to send a letter to judge Carter? Put the supporting evidence into your letter and sign it under the penalty of perjury.

It means that she is a professional investigator, who knows how to check for SSN used by a person.
Her report has been signed under the penalty of perjury.

How many people supporting Obama have done the same when it comes to the claim of his Hawaiian birth? What prevents you or any other Obama supporter to send a letter to judge Carter? Put the supporting evidence into your letter and sign it under the penalty of perjury.

You did not comment on the post I replied to. Do you agree with it?

Google “Obama national service force” and see what plans he has in his mind. Pay attention to the actual video of the original speech where he called for this force to be as powerful and well funded as the US military.

You did not comment on the post I replied to. Do you agree with it?

Google “Obama national service force” and see what plans he has in his mind. Pay attention to the actual video of the original speech where he called for this force to be as powerful and well funded as the US military.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/21193983/DOC-86-2-Key…

The PI report submitted to judge Carter contains only one SSN linked to addresses used by BHO over many years.

What is your definition of NBC? Where is it defined?
If you put each proof as a separate post, it will be easier to debate it.

Long form birth certificate indicating the Kapiolani hospital as Obama's birthplace would go a long way in quieting the “birthers”.

No, it's a well known April Fool's joke on the internet.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/o…

Fool.

It is too bad that Kapiolani took down Obama’s letter from their web site. In this letter Obama claimed to have been born there.

Why should they hide a public letter sent to them by a “US President”?
I thought they would be proud to display it.

Maybe they know that Obama’s claim is false.

It is too bad that Kapiolani took down Obama’s letter from their web site. In this letter Obama claimed to have been born there.

Why should they hide a public letter sent to them by a “US President”?
I thought they would be proud to display it.

Maybe they know that Obama’s claim is false.

Asked and answered, repeatedly.

Try again, Dr. Taitz. Have you called Pepperdine yet?

I dislike someone spreading lies and bigotry. I also dislike someone clogging up the court system with frivolous lawsuits.

Have you called Pepperdine yet?

Not necessary for anyone with a gram of sanity.

Having a license means only that this individual passed an exam. She clearly does not know how to conduct a database search. The two are not synonymous.

As for signing a statement under the penalties of perjury and sending such to a judge who has already dismissed your ridiculous lawsuit and is probably thoroughly sick of it, I am not an interested party to any of your lawsuits, Dr. Taitz, so have no standing to do so. Or didn’t they teach you that at the fine diploma mill that took your money and gave you an inadequate legal education?

Having a license means only that this individual passed an exam. She clearly does not know how to conduct a database search. The two are not synonymous.

As for signing a statement under the penalties of perjury and sending such to a judge who has already dismissed your ridiculous lawsuit and is probably thoroughly sick of it, I am not an interested party to any of your lawsuits, Dr. Taitz, so have no standing to do so. Or didn’t they teach you that at the fine diploma mill that took your money and gave you an inadequate legal education?

I commented on your nasty little brown shirt slur, as should have been obvious. You really can’t read very well, can you?

I commented on your nasty little brown shirt slur, as should have been obvious. You really can’t read very well, can you?

Why waste the money? There was no fraud and no need for such an investigation.

Why waste the money? There was no fraud and no need for such an investigation.

Maybe you need to do something useful with your time, like study proper English and stop buying into conspiracy theories.

Maybe you need to do something useful with your time, like study proper English and stop buying into conspiracy theories.

Where is the statement from Dr. Fukino or Joe Miller? Do they have the courage to send a letter to judge Carter under the penalty of perjury?

Ha ha.

Why waste the money indeed. How much does it cost to obtain a birth certificate from DoH and send it directly to judge Carter?

Obama is silent on the issue.

The use of fake SSN is a good indicator that he was not born in the USA.

NC is Orly “Queen of Birferstan” Taitz.

NOTHING will quiet the birthers. They are demented children, obsessively fixated on their conspiracy, immune to reason, blind to fact, and hell-bent on unseating a President who — horrible as it is to them — happens to be black.

Nothing ever quiets racists.

Read my post.
I was reffering to the post from trent1280, the one I was replying to. Why didn’t you comment on that one?

Do you agree with it?

The Kenyan Ambassador to the United States, Peter N.R.O. Ogego, acknowledged on November 6, 2008 during a radio interview with Detroit radio talkshow hosts Mike Clark, Trudi Daniels, and Marc Fellhauer on WRIF’s “Mike In the Morning,” when specifically asked about “President-Elect Obama[‘s]” birth place that he was born in Kenya and that his birth place was already a “well-known” attraction. http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index. php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=82031. The Ambassador later said that he believed that the interviewers were asking him about Obama’s father and not the son.

Ogego’s assistant insisted he was speaking about Barack Obama Sr., and not President-elect Obama.

WND asked, “Is Obama’s birthplace in Kenya?”

The woman replied firmly, “No.”

So many birfer lies.

Orly's “PI” s !!!!!!!!!
LOL
NC will swallow anything

Listen to the whole tape of the conversation. It is very obious that all time they were talking about president-elect, not his father.

There is a comment down the thread with the link to the story, including the comment from one DJ.

It is funny that so many “coincidences” happened in Obama's birthplace story. Birth reported in three countries, two Hawaii hospitals, fake SSN number used,…

Just coincidences, right?

Orly, everything you present has been debunked repeatedly

Orly Taitz, aka 'naturalizedcitizen', wrote: “The PI's report was very recent: signed on September 30, 2009. Her report was sent to court as a support evidence for judge Carter to order a discovery process. Court can verify whether report is correct and proceed accordingly. Do you have any suggestions about who might be willing to initiate a formal investigation?”

Because you are an alien, you do not understand our system. In Europe, most magistrates are also investigators. They examine evidence of a crime, and then lay charges if validated by their findings.

Because you are not an American, you do not understand our system.

The “formal investigation” of which you speak is, in our country, always borne by the police, on the basis of a formal complaint or internally-generated evidence. This is the correct process. We do not merely send a letter to a judge. We go to the police. The police. Do you understand?

Your 'investigator', Orly, is guilty of a felony.

By your own admission, she has had knowledge of a crime for AT LEAST 44 days. FORTY-FOUR DAYS! She has failed to report her 'findings' to the police — for 44 days.

This itself is a felony.

BTW, I note that you have still NOT denied that you are Orly, Miss 'Naturalized'. Your latest posting contains the usual grammatical errors: “Her report was sent to court as a support evidence…”

As “a support” evidence? What? Your bad grammar gives you away, Orly, again and again. Why do you spend so much time posing as other people, bad English and all?

This may help explain why you had only 4 people attend your vast rally over at Fox.

Back to the point: your PI has, by failing to go to the police with evidence of a crime, now committed a crime herself.

Another birther bites the dust.

Orly, it is very “obious” (I can hear the Moldavian accent) that you are clutching at some pretty hackneyed conspiracy lingo, replete with the word coincidence in quotation marks.
working your way down as we speak…

Why should they? The lawsuit was dismissed.

He released what the state of Hawaii releases. It shows that he was born in Honolulu.

As for the so-called “proof” that the President used 39 SSNs, it is not worth the money you paid for it.

How about Podunk? It’s part of East Brookfield and desperately needs a tourist destination.

Ha ha.

I don’t agree that you should go back to Russia since you are Moldovan. That you might be happier in a different country where lies and unsupported allegations are used to overthrow an elected President, however, seems, beyond dispute.

There were no reports of the President being born in three different countries until you and your racist little friends starting filing lawsuits. The plaque would go up in Kapiolani Hospital in Honolulu, of course.

“Pie” is right. You are asking the wrong people (again). Here’s how to contact Bill (have fun!):

Want to tell Bill what’s on your mind? Keep it pithy! E-mail us at: oreilly@foxnews.com.

Also, you can call “The Radio Factor” live on the air at 1-877-9-NO-SPIN (877-966-7746) weekdays from noon to 2 p.m. ET

The birthers continue to implode.

Just for fun, read the “sworn deposition” of one Daniel Lucas Daniel Smith, who claims that his former friend Orly Taitz coached him to lie in front of yet another Judge.

SOURCE: http://www.scribd.com/doc/21451147/Lucas-Daniel…

No doubt Orly will insist that Mr Smith too is now part of the Obamabot conspiracy arrayed against her, against truth, justice and the Russian way.

It gets better by the hour!!

Yes, the database the PI used said that, in addition to Obama’s date of birth, the SSN was associated with a DOB of 1890. But the database also says: “SSN Not Found in Social Security Death Index.” So if Obama is using another person’s SSN, somewhere out there is a really pissed off 119 year old man or woman.

You want to base a claim of fraud on a database that says the SSN is also associated with someone born in 1890 who has not yet died? Go ahead. Either file a complaint, or shut up. Here is how you report Social Security fraud:

http://www.ssa.gov/oig/guidelin.htm

By the way, the requirements for being a licensed private investigator in Ohio aren’t exactly rigorous:

http://www.publicsafety.ohio.gov/links/HLS0007.pdf

Fake SSN, Oily?

Like the fake SSN that your assistant used resulting in his felony conviction and disbarment?

I know English reading comprehension is difficult for you.

Get Charles to explain this to you.

Ogego’s assistant insisted he was speaking about Barack Obama Sr., and not President-elect Obama.

Street preacher McRae attempted the same disgusting fabrication of lies by confusing Sarah Obama.

Coincidences? You're spinning a web of delusions and lies. Birthers twist facts to make the conspiracy fantasy seem real.

“Don't have anything better to do with your time?”

Most ironic statement of the year award.

Don't you have teeth to clean?

And I have only one SSN, which I have used since I got it as a teenager. Am I guilty of fraud? Do you have more than one?

The database the PI used said, in addition to Obama's date of birth, the SSN was associated with a DOB of 1890. But the database also says: “SSN Not Found in Social Security Death Index.” And the database identifies no other names associated with that SSN, other than Barack Obama. So if Obama is using another person's SSN, somewhere out there is a really pissed off nameless 119 year old man or woman.

You want to base a claim of fraud on a database that says the SSN is also associated with someone born in 1890 who has no name and has not yet died? Go ahead. Either file a complaint, or shut up. Here is how you report Social Security fraud:

http://www.ssa.gov/oig/guidelin.htm

Keep in mind that the Social Security Administration will not be amused by Ms. Daniels' affidavit, which appears to disclose not only the President's social security number, but also the SSN of at least one other living American who has no relationship whatsoever to the lawsuit in question.

LOL
great advice across the board for Orly:
“keep it pithy”
thanks, Bear!

Don’t get ahead of yourself, Orly: you still need to report Obama’s Social Security fraud thru the proper channels. Have you done that yet?
Don’t need to go to court…

NC, I have this pain in a molar which gets worse when I drink cold liquids. Any advice?

Rebuttal, NC?

I'm glad you're proud t be known as a Berftard: your inclination towards long-debunked hoaxes certainly reinforces your mental defectiveness for all to see…

Yup, Taitz and her flock of haters (Lies, etc) have LOTS in common with the infamous and insane Sen McCarthy

Birfers lose again — 3rd Circuit completely unimpressed with Phil Berg's attempts to manufacture Article III standing:

http://www.scribd.com/full/22475054?access_key=…

LOL
“a good indicator” indeed.
If you could prove the charge.
A horn & a tail might be a good indicator that the president isn’t human
If you could prove it

1. Case was dismissed.

2. Dr. Fukino and Joe Miller were never parties to the litigation.

3. Plaintiffs bear the burden of proof, not defendants.

May I suggest you invest in your education?

http://www.amazon.com/Law-Dummies-John-Ventura/dp/1568848609

“There were no reports of either Bush of Cheney being born in three different countries . . .”

That is probably because any rational person knows that it is physically impossible for one person to be born in three different countries.

The fundamental problem is that birfers aren’t rational. You can’t even decide among yourselves where Obama was born. Work it out among yourselves, then let us know. Or don’t. We just find you entertaining.

Come on, Ernie we want names!
Ernie?
Ernie?

Why did they remove the letter from their web page? It was posted for a long time until WND started asking questions – then promptly disappeared.

Assuming that Obama was born there – would Kapiolani managers be ashamed of that fact and remove such a precious document from their web site?

I read that Obama's grandmother worked in a probate court in Hawaii.

Where'd you read that, Orly?
On your own website?

Actually, Orly claimed that Smith was part of the conspiracy in her motion for reconsideration. Smith and Sinclair have written defamatory statements about her and they will suffer the consequences.

If you think there has been Social Security fraud, report it. Otherwise, shut up.

To file a complaint of Social Security fraud, click on this link:

http://www.ssa.gov/oig/guidelin.htm

Thank God!

Why are you asking us? If you have been to the hospital’s website, surely you can find a phone number or email contact.

Ask the hospital:
http://www.hawaiipacifichealth.org/hph/contact-us/default.aspx

And that would matter because . . .?

File a Social Security fraud complaint, or shut up. If you don't file the complaint, we know you don't believe what you are posting.

You ask us what documents Bill O'Reilly saw. I gave you his email address. Now you can contact him.

You express concern about a “Comment” written by Obama in law school being hidden. I gave you the volume and page of Harvard Law Review, a link to the Alameda County Law Library, and even checked the online catalog for you to confirm that they have that volume on microfiche. Now you can go read the Comment.

You allege that Obama got special treatment in being hired as Lecturer in Law at University of Chicago Law School. I gave you a link to the email addresses of all current Lecturers in Law, so you can do your investigation.

You wonder why Kapiolani Hospital removed a letter from its website (if they actually did — have you ever heard of a “screen grab”?). I gave you the contact information, so you can inquire.

You ask me about how Judge Land handles evidence in his chambers. I tell you I have no way of knowing, but I give you the phone number of his courtroom clerk, so you can call and ask.

Go check things out for yourself. If you believe this birfer nonsense, then do something more than posting on this blog. File complaints, write to your elected representatives, wave signs on highway overpasses, whatever.

But you aren't persuading anyone here. You are accomplishing nothing other than entertaining people who find your paranoia and overblown sense of your own intellect quite amusing. Have you noticed that you have posted over 1,000 comments, and you have only received one “like” response? One? You are wasting your time. But if you want to continue, by all means, keep entertaining us.

You could listen the whole interview with the ambassador and judge for yourself. The DJ, conducting the interview, was talking about president-elect, there was no confusion.

After the fact, once Embassy realized what happened, they issued a retraction. Fortunately, people can listen and judge for themselves whether Ambassador was confused or not.

More important issue is not disputable: Obama Jr. was a dual citizen at birth – which disqualifies him from being a natural born citizen, thus not eligible to run for presidency.

Do not drink cold liquid, LOL.

It would be an interesting investigation whether an old person from CT died in Hawaii prior to Obama getting his SSN.

There are snapshots of Kapiolani website before and after the letter was posted. The hospital officials refuse to comment on the issue.

A lot of web page scrubbing is going on. It is hard for pro-Obama forces to keep up with his lies.

I am not sure that Siddarth will be forthcoming about any inquiry about his role in this case.

Only a 1000 comments. I have not even warmed up, just wait and see, LOL

“It would be an interesting investigation whether an old person from CT died in Hawaii prior to Obama getting his SSN.”

Have fun investigating. But the PI's own affidavit says the SSN doesn't appear the Social Security Death Index.

“There are snapshots of Kapiolani website before and after the letter was posted. The hospital officials refuse to comment on the issue.”

Hospital officials need to run a hospital, and probably got tired of dealing with angry and ignorant birfers. Have you actually tried calling them? I'm sure they'd love to hear from you.

“A lot of web page scrubbing is going on. It is hard for pro-Obama forces to keep up with his lies.”

Another statement with no evidence to support it.

“I am not sure that Siddarth will be forthcoming about any inquiry about his role in this case.”

If you think Judge Carter was improperly influenced by his law clerk, then file a judicial misconduct complaint with the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit. You will have to give your real name and address, and sign you name to the complaint, under penalty of perjury. File a complaint, or shut up:

http://207.41.19.15/Web/OCELibra.nsf/504ca249c7…

“Only a 1000 comments. I have not even warmed up, just wait and see, LOL”

So the birthtard chooses to entertain us.

Have you reported the Social Security fraud which you allege to the authorities? No court appearance neccessary, thanks to the miracle of the internets.
I've asked that question all day, still no answer…

It's only a matter of time before Smith is formally excommunicated from the Church of Birferstan by dope Orly.

Wait…that should read POPE Orly. That really was a mistake, I promise…

Mentioning “website scrubbing”. Orly thinks she did a good job of removing the post encouraging her supporters to call Judge Carter. Only problem is that Carter saw her website AND there are a bunch of people out there that took “snapshots” of her blog with the post. She is SO busted. With her recent filing, she swore under penalty of perjury that these allegations were not true. What do you think Judge Carter is going to do? I think he should put her in jail for perjury.

NC is bitter that a black man is President. But NC is all rage and no action. In all likelihood, we are about the only human contact NC has, and NC would rather be laughed at than ignored.

He can't put her in jail for perjury. He could refer the matter to the U.S. Attorney for investigation, but the decision whether to prosecute is up to the U.S. Attorney.

It is possible that Judge Carter could cite her for criminal contempt, but another judge likely would have to preside over the hearing on the charge.

Doing a birfer copy and paste:

Orly needs to read this opinion from the Appeals Court in Indiana regarding a lawsuit brought against the Governor of Indiana regarding his failure to make sure Obama was a NBC or something to that effect. Of course, the ruling is against the plaintiffs.

Beginning on page 10, the opinion begins to address the natural born citizen definition much of it already discussed in length here by bearclaw as he has relentlessly attempted to knock some sense into the biggest birthtard naturalizedcitizen. On page 17, the conclusion of the court is this:

Based upon the language of Article II, Section 1, Clause 4 and the guidance provided by Wong Kim Ark, we conclude that persons born within the borders of the United States are “natural born Citizens” for Article II, Section 1 purposes, regardless of the citizenship of their parents. Just as a person “born within the British dominions [was] a natural-born British subject” at the time of the framing of the U.S. Constitution, so too were those “born in the allegiance of the United States [] natural-born citizens.”

http://www.in.gov/judiciary/opinions/pdf/111209…

You are wrong. His grandmother worked for a bank, where she worked her way up from the botttom to a Vice Presidency by the time she retired.

“…Have fun investigating. But the PI's own affidavit says the SSN doesn't appear the Social Security Death Index….”

Was grandma' in charge of entering such data into database? Just askin'?

Hey Orly / aka 'Naturalized Citizen': you've had eight hours to answer the question. You have failed to do so. You have run away from what you have admitted re your own misconduct.

ACCORDING TO YOU, your private investigator had knowledge of a 'felony' for the last 44 DAYS.

So have you.

It is a felony to fail to report a felony, to conceal it, to hide it from legal authorities. Q: why did you refuse to call the police?

You claim that 'someone' has been caught stealing an SSN from a dead person. You claim to have proof. You claim to have known this since 30 September 2009. With this felonious knowledge, you did nothing. You did not go to the cops, which is what the law requires you to do.

By your own admission, you have aided in the commission of a felony.

You will be disbarred. Your PI will lose her license.

You continue to be discredited, every time you attempt another ridiculous lie.

Keep up the good work! We love it!!

Right. Because after Madelyn Dunham retired in 1986 after a career as a bank executive, and began volunteering part time as a mediator in Hawaii Circuit Court, she would have been able to alter the records of the federal Social Security Administration and go back in time to give Barack Obama a SSN that Orly's PI says was issued between 1977 and 1979.

How do you hold a job? You must be the laziest person on Earth. You ask questions you easily could research on the internet yourself. Is that how you do your job? You just ask other people to do it for you?

Have you called Judge Land's chambers?

Have you emailed the University of Chicago Law School's current “Lecturers in Law”?

Have you read Obama's “Comment”?

Have you filed a Social Security fraud complaint?

Have you filed a Judicial Conduct complaint?

Have you contacted John Yoo, or Pepperdine Law School, or any other law school?

Have you contacted Kapiolani Hospital?

Have you contacted Bill O'Reilly?

No. You just ask stupid questions.

Master's Degree? I don't think so. Not unless it came from inside a cereal box, or from a mail order outfit like Orly's law school.

It is a shame we let someone so lazy, stupid, bitter and bigoted become a citizen.

This “investigator” used the information that any of us can get by paying for it. If you do a people search on White Pages, there is a option to find out more information for a fee. That is the same kind of stuff she did. The problem is, this stuff is not necessarily accurate. It is gleaned from public documents and other public information as well as from credit bureaus and others who report credit. Plus, a lot of these companies that offer the info are the ones that are the ones that do checks for property managers and the like, so for a fee you can see it too.
Problems with this method are numerous. There can be someone with your same name or initials, someone can enter info incorrectly, i.e. one digit off on your social or your address, date of birth etc. My spouse has no middle name or initial so we find numerous errors on our credit reports because they have a tendency to put all kinds of erroneous info on it. Every time we check it, they have wrong stuff- places we have “lived” in states we have not been to, cars we have never owned, and more. So unless you have an actual document President Obama filled out using someone else's social or an employer who has a W4 he filled out wrong, or the Social Security Administration is involved, you can take this supposed “social security fraud” with a very large grain of salt. The majority of what Oily alleges are things she has absolutely no proof off, and she seems to believe the courts should allow her to go on a fishing expedition to try to dig something up. She has absolutely no real evidence, no proof- only theories, allegations and suppositions. At the same time, she is accusing the courts and everyone who doesn't agree with her as being corrupt, committing treason, a traitor to the USA, and “got to ” by Obama. She is urging people to take up arms against the government and the military to in essence participate in a military coup of the elected government. This woman is certifiable and so is anyone who is listening to her.

Look again into the PI report and check dates associated with the SSN from CT.
The time line starts in 1986.

You are impotent. All rage, no action. File a social security fraud complaint. Go ahead. Do it.

The ruling is laughable.
They interpret NBC to mean “born in USA regardless of parents status”. Judges did not explicitly confirm that McCain is eligible, but leave a door open for that possibility.
Basically they argue that NBC means “born a citizen” (BaC).

If that was the intent when the Constitution was adopted – the eligibility phrase would not contain the word “natural”.
There were two competing proposals – one from John Jay (NBC) , the other from Hamilton (BaC).

In John Jay's letter to Washington he emphasized on having a strong check in the Constitution that a foreigner would not be able to command the US military.
His proposal (NBC phrase) was included into the Constitution.

This ruling allows children of illegal aliens to be eligible for POTUS.
It makes no sense from the national security standpoint.

Tell us again, Orly, why you condone the commission of a felony?

ACCORDING TO YOU, your private investigator had knowledge of a 'felony' for the last 44 DAYS.

So have you.

It is a felony to fail to report a felony, to conceal it, to hide it from legal authorities. Q: why did you refuse to call the police?

You do know, I trust, that concealing a felony is a deportable offense?

Back to Russia you go!

“The ruling is laughable”.

Just as every other ruling against you birthtards. You all continue to live in denial. Tighten that tin foil hat up a bit. You wouldn't want to be hit by those radio waves carrying the truth and take a chance that a reasonable thought would penetrate your feeble mind.

They probably took it down because they were being constantly harassed by paranoid, feeble lunatics and wannabe identity thieves.

“The ruling is laughable.”

Yet I noticed that you offered no legal authority or legal analysis to explain exactly WHY the ruling is “laughable.”

“They interpret NBC to mean “born in USA regardless of parents status”. Judges did not explicitly confirm that McCain is eligible, but leave a door open for that possibility.
Basically they argue that NBC means “born a citizen” (BaC).”

And basically, you argue that…well, you didn't really argue anything at all did you? I wonder why…could it be that arguing about the law would require you to actually know about and understand the law? That being the case, I guess it makes perfect sense that you have nothing to say, since you've continued to show us all exactly how ignorant you are when it comes to the law. But don't let a little thing like reality stop you; feel free to cut and paste as many “legal arguments” as you can find on WND's message boards.

“In John Jay's letter to Washington he emphasized on having a strong check in the Constitution that a foreigner would not be able to command the US military.
His proposal (NBC phrase) was included into the Constitution.”

And yet John Jay's letter isn't the law…you DO understand that, don't you? It's almost telling that you didn't mention Vattel this time; you've gone from a weak argument to an incredibly weak argument. I know that being a birfer makes it difficult to think rationally, so I fully expect you to make up some more nonsense about “national security” and “illegal aliens…”

“This ruling allows children of illegal aliens to be eligible for POTUS.
It makes no sense from the national security standpoint.”

Funny how that works, isn't it? It's almost as if the Indiana Court of Appeals actually read the Constitution, then read the relevant Supreme Court case law that interpreted the Constitution in reaching its decision. You should try it sometime; it's much more persuasive than cutting and pasting debunked WND talking points.

Even more laughable is your argument that allegiance to a country is somehow passed down genetically from parent to child. I guess that, in addition to law, logic, and reality, you'll be showing us how little you know about science as well.

You shouldn't be too sad though. You guys still have the Constitution of the People's Republic of Birferstan to fall back on, and if you hurry to the library right now I'm sure that you can find some more Swiss philosophers to quote.

I guess with your “master's degree” you know more than 3 appellate judges in Indiana.

Problems with John Jay's letter:

(1) John Jay was not a delegate to the Constitutional Convention, so his view is not direct evidence of what the delegates believed.

(2) His letter to George Washington, dated July 25, 1787 doesn't say a word about his proposed definition of the phrase “natural born citizen”:

“Permit me to hint whether it would not be wise and seasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of foreigners into the administration of our national government ; and to declare expressly that the command in chief of the American army shall not be given to, nor devolve on any but a natural born citizen.”

(3) George Washington was not a member of the Committee of Eleven that produced the “natural born citizen” language.

I'm so sick & tired of hearing your obsession with John Jay's letter: I could find a founding father's letter to help me justify kiddie porn. Get over it, your opinion about NBC is NOT in the Constitution.
sheesh

And the reason you have concealed the commission of a felony for the latest 45 days is…?

And the reason you think you will not be deported back to Russia upon conviction of felony concealment is…?

I should give you fair warning that I have already provided your IP to ICE, (Immigration, Customs and Enforcement).

They arrange the arrest, trial, and deportation of alien subversives like yourself. You have committed a felony by concealing a felony.

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Pffftt, then why have a Citizen and a Natural Born Citizen, IF they are the same?

THEY ARE NOT THE SAME!

Neither is yours!

You are correct.

But our interpretation is supported by this opinion, published yesterday by the Indiana Court of Appeals:

http://www.in.gov/judiciary/opinions/pdf/111209…

It is a second day since you learned about Obama's fraud – did you reporte it to authorities – if not, what are you waiting? LOL

“Citizen” is the broader term, and is wholly inclusive of “natural born citizen.” “Citizen” includes those who are citizens at birth, and those who become citizens through naturalization.

“Natural born citizen” includes only the former — those who are citizens at birth.

Why is that so hard for you to understand? Did you stay in school long enough to study Venn diagrams?

“Naturalized citizens” are a subset of “citizens.”
“Natural born citizens” are also a subset of “citizens.”
The intersection of “naturalized citizens” and “natural born citizens” is the null set.

The ruling of the Indiana court is wrong.

However, good thing about the ruling is that it moves the case through the court system.

As I said before, the SCOTUS will ultimately have to decide on NBC definition.

We need to focus on verifying Obama's birthplace.

No, you are WRONG.
The FACTS are supported by THIS…

Delegates to the First and Second Continental Congress, which produced the Declaration of Independence, often consulted The Law of Nations, as a reference for their discussions. One important reason why the delegates chose to meet in Carpenters Hall, was that the building also housed the Library Company of Philadelphia. The librarian reported that Vattel was one of the main sources consulted by the delegates during the First Continental Congress, which met from Sept. 5 to Oct. 26, 1774. Charles W.F. Dumas, an ardent supporter of the American cause, printed an edition of The Law of Nations in 1774, with his own notes illustrating how the book applied to the American situation. In 1770, Dumas had met Franklin in Holland, and was one of Franklin's key collaborators in his European diplomacy. He sent three copies to Franklin, instructing him to send one to Harvard University, and to put one in the Philadelphia library. Franklin sent Dumas a letter, Dec. 9, 1775, thanking him for the gift. Franklin stated, “I am much obliged by the kind present you have made us of your edition of Vattel. It came to us in good season, when the circumstances of a rising state make it necessary frequently to consult the law of nations. Accordingly, that copy which I kept, has been continually in the hands of the members of our congress, now sitting … .”

The study of The Law of Nations by the delegates to the Continental Congress, to answer questions “of the circumstances of a rising state,” is reflected in the Declaration of Independence of July 4, 1776. The central ideas of that document are coherent with Vattel's arguments on the criteria of a people to overthrow a tyrannical sovereign. The Declaration of Independence states that governments are instituted to fulfill the “inalienable rights” of “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness,” and can be changed if they fail to meet these obligations to the people.

And the passage, makes PERFECT sense and is what the Framers of the Constitution MEANT!

“The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.”

WRONG!
You have NO CLUE, what you are even saying.

Let me help you out, since you obviously haven't had ANY schooling!

From the “Law of Nations”, which the Framers referred to, more than any ofher book!

“The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.”

It's funny how I make the title FOR obama and it doesn't get censored…

pfft…

Oh, made you a video:
http://www.youtube.com/user/BoycottCentral#p/a/…

I am “sure” that appelate court decisions have never been overturned in the past. They never make mistakes, right?

(1) Are you saying that somebody else initiated inclusion of this phrase into Constitution? If so – where is the source?
I read that there was no debate about inclusion of NBC phrase into Constitution.
Hamilton proposed a “BaC” phrase – which was not adopted.

(2) For anybody with an open mind, John Jay's letter makes it crystal clear what the intention of the eligibility requirement is. You are not looking at what the leter says – you are only looking for reason to dismiss its meaning and justify Obama's election.

“Born a Citizen” was not the intent of the eligibility requirement.

(3) George Washington had no influence in politics of those days. His words would have been ignored, right!?

Unless you have a better explanation for the inclusion of the phrase NBC into Constitution – we'll have to accept the John Jay's letter as the original source.

How does the relaxation of the eligibility rule, to include the children of illegals, fit into the original intent for inclusion of the NBC phrase into Constitution?
It does not.
Anybody with a clear mind can see it – that is why the ruling is laughable.

Indiana Appelate court did not explicitly confirm McCain's eligibility – it did not deny it either. Is it not laughable that children of illegals are eligible while children of US citizens born abroad may not be eligible? They should have been consistent and made a ruling on McCain's case.

If you want to relax the eligibility rule – the Constitution should be amended. There is a process for doing so.

Very funny.

(1) “Natural born citizen” is in the Constitution, not the Declaration of Independence.

(2) de Vattel's book was written in French. The English translations available during the Constitutional Convention did not use “natural-born citizen” in Book 1, Chapter 19. That phrase first appears in the 1797 translation, published in London (at p. 101).

(3) The phrase “natural born citizen” in the Constitution was drafted by the Committee of Eleven, and adopted by the Convention without discussion. Thus, there is no contemporaneous evidence as to how the delegates intended to define the phrase “natural born citizen.” But we know it couldn't have been the 1797 English translation of de Vattel, because that was published ten years after the Constitutional Convention and seven years after the last of the 13 colonies ratified the Constitution.

In case you want to cite “John Jay's letter” (as birthtard NC does), consider:

(1) John Jay was not a delegate to the Constitutional Convention.

(2) His letter to George Washington of July 25, 1787 is very short, proposes that the commander-in-chief of the army be a “natural born citizen” but nowhere defines what that phrase means.

(3) George Washington was not a member of the Committee of Eleven that drafted the “natural born citizen” requirement. There is no evidence he discussed John Jay's letter with the Committee of Eleven.

(4) John Jay never mentions the phrase “natural born citizen” in any of his other surviving correspondence, let alone in correspondence during the Constitutional Convention. Searchable database of letters:

http://www.familytales.org/results.php?tla=joj

(5) John Jay was a co-author of the Federalist Papers. The Federalist Papers do not ever discuss the “natural born citizen” requirement or its possible meaning. Searchable Federalist Papers:
http://www.foundingfathers.info/federalistpapers/

We do not need to guess. The burden of proof is on the candidate for POTUS.

We need to verify his claims. COLB image will be verified. There are legal procedures according to the state law in Hawaii for release of documents that could be used for COLB verification. Things are moving – slower than I’d like to see – but still moving.

English translation published in London in 1797. Explain how this translation was transported back in time to the Constitutional Convention in 1787.

Three state justices for the appeals court in Indiana disagree. Now while their opinion is of the state and not federal level, they all learn constitutional law. I hope that the plaintiffs appeal to the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court will agree with the appellate judges and this argument will be totally closed. Oh, but I forgot. Birthtards know more about the law than any of the judges.

As earlier indicated, because you appear to be an enemy alien, I have reported your IP to Immigration, Customs and Enforcement (ICE), and have recommended the commencement of a deportation investigation.

I have also advised the office of the Attorney-General for the State of California, asking them to confirm your IP, and report you for the concealment of a felony, and to forward same to the appropriate police authority in the jurisdiction where you live.

I provided the same courtesy to Orly Taitz, via the City of Rancho Santa Margarita Police Services, California, and to the registered office address according to her licence of the 'private investigator', Susan Daniels, susandanielspi@aol.com, via her IP. Why the latter? It appears the street address she provided is obsolete and/or fraudulent.

I have also forwarded this as yet another finding against Orly Tzitz, Esq, to the Office of Lawyer Discipline and Complaints, State Bar of California, 180 Howard Street, San Francisco, 94105.

Anything else I can help you with?

You can say what you want, but you are WRONG! Everyone can see!

Three appellate judges disagree with you. Their interpretation is completely consistent with what we have all been telling you. Could their decision be overturned? Yes. Birthtards can always hope.

As for the rest of your blathering:

There is no evidence that George Washington discussed John Jay's letter with the Committee of Eleven, which actually drafted the language in question. So you are making an assumption with no evidence to back you up. There is no record of where the Committee of Eleven came up with the term, and the phrase was adopted without debate by the Constitutional Convention. So don't ask me what the source is — you birthtards will just have to make something up, as you usually do.

Moreover, John Jay's letter does not define what “natural born citizen” means. Do you see a definition in there? I don't, but maybe you gained some “spidey sense” from your communist upbringing that allows you to manufacture words that aren't on the page. In other words, even if John Jay's letter is the “source” of the phrase, it doesn't answer the question: “Who is a natural born citizen?”

Orly Taitz, aka 'Attorney', aka 'Naturalized Citizen', asked what I have done to prevent the concealment of a felony. Fair question. Ready for the answer?

“naturalizedcitizen 1 hour ago
It is a second day since you learned about Obama's fraud – did you report it to authorities – if not, what are you waiting? LOL”

As earlier indicated, because you appear to be an enemy alien, I have reported your IP to Immigration, Customs and Enforcement (ICE), and have recommended the commencement of a deportation investigation.

I have also advised the office of the Attorney-General for the State of California, asking them to confirm your IP, and report you for the concealment of a felony, and to forward same to the appropriate police authority in the jurisdiction where you live.

I provided the same courtesy to Orly Taitz, via the City of Rancho Santa Margarita Police Services, California, and to the registered office address according to her licence of the 'private investigator', Susan Daniels, susandanielspi@aol.com, via her IP. Why the latter? It appears the street address she provided is obsolete and/or fraudulent.

I have also forwarded this as yet another finding against Orly Taitz, Esq, to the Office of Lawyer Discipline and Complaints, State Bar of California, 180 Howard Street, San Francisco, 94105. This may help speed the process of her/your inevitable disbarment.

Anything else I can help you with?

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I also note your continue to share Orly Taitz' well-known disfigurement of the English language. You wrote, “if not, what are you waiting?” Correctly, you should have written “What are you waiting FOR?”

If you enemy aliens want to pass as Americans, you really should try to learn English.

Obama was born in Hawaii. It’s been verified, get over it. Birthtards are history. Orly will soon have collection agents at her door to collect the $20K she was fined for her complete incompetence. It won’t be long before the Ca. Bar yanks her license for the same reason.

I suggest you find another cause and quit wasting your time on this dead horse.

Keep the reports going – you may help us uncover the truth about Obama's birthplace.

Have you reported Obama's use of SSN number from CT to appropriate authorities?

Have you reported sopes.com for reporting that Obama was born in two Hawaii hospitals (first they reported Queens then switched to Kapiolani)?

We need as many allies as possible.
Thank you comrade trentinski!

The Indiana court rules against you. You characterize this as “relaxing the rules of eligibility.” No, the court was interpreting what the rules ARE, not what they SHOULD BE. It is only “relaxing” the rules in relationship to your personal interpretation of the phrase “natural born citizen,” which is unsupported in the historical record.

As for McCain, try reading the “footnotes” in the court's opinion. Footnote 10 notes that the U.S. Senate adopted a resolution declaring McCain eligible, and there was no “cogent legal argument for the proposition that a person must actually be born within one of the fifty States in order to qualify as a natural born citizen, and we therefore do not address Plaintiffs argument as it relates to Senator McCain.” In other words, dear birthtard, the court utterly slapped down the idea that someone born to U.S. citizens outside the U.S. is not a “natural born citizen.”

“How does the relaxation of the eligibility rule, to include the children of illegals, fit into the original intent for inclusion of the NBC phrase into Constitution?”

You must be referring to the “original intent” that never existed. The “eligibility rule” hasn't been relaxed. You see, your definition of natural-born citizen has never been adopted by any court, nor has it been adopted by Congress. Of course, feel free to prove me wrong by citing to a case or a statute that explicitly limits natural-born citizenship to the children of two citizen parents.

Go ahead. I'll wait.

And remember…Swiss philosophy is NOT the law. Maybe if you give Orly some more donations, she can buy a few cases on eBay.

“Anybody with a clear mind can see it – that is why the ruling is laughable.”

You know what else is laughable? The debunked talking points that you try to pass off as a legal argument. I almost feel bad because all of your recycled talking points are so easy to debunk. Almost.

Well, in all fairness it's not really a legal argument at all is it? If it was, you'd probably cite to a case or a statute to support your argument. For some reason, you've never been able to point to any legal authority for any of your arguments…now I wonder why that is? Seems suspicious if you ask me.

The rest of what you wrote is actually too ridiculous to debunk, so I'll leave it alone.

Okay, now make up some more legally and logically unsound arguments so that I can debunk those too. Don't forget the Swiss!

Hi Orly:

Along with your usual illiterate blunders, you fail to note that the website, correctly, is “snopes”. Fact-checking isn't one of your strengths, is it?

Given that you have provided NO EVIDENCE whatsoever that these SSNs are valid, stolen, and/or employed on any occasion by Mr Obama, there is nothing to report.

Your “natural allies' may continue to be found in the mental wards of the hospitals in which you are confined.

BTW, you continue to be responsible for the concealment of a felony. It will see you disbarred, and deported to your native Russia.

Get rid of your Cracker Jack Schooling, cause it's not helping you out any.

There were 3 different English editions of the work published prior to 1787 and therefore available to the Framers of the Constitution. They were London:1759, London:1760, and New York:1787. All of them translated “Les Naturels ou indigènes…” to read “The natives or indigenes…”
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“There is no doubt that the Founding Fathers did not exclusively use the English translation, but relied upon the French original.”

OBVIOUSLY THEY KNEW FRENCH!

For further proof on the question of Vattel’s influence we only need to look at Benjamin Franklin. In 1775, he observed, the importance of the Law of Nations, on the Founding Fathers and he then ordered 3 copies of the latest editions. The Library Company of Philadelphia which holds one of the three copies, lists the 1775 reference to this book, as “Le droit des gens,” from the publishing house of Chez E. van Harrevelt in Amsterdam, Holland, with a personal note to Franklin from the editor of this edition, C.G.F. Dumas. The fact that this particular volume that Franklin ordered is in French is significant, for at that time French was considered by the “family of nations” to be the diplomatic language, and the 1775 edition was considered the most exact reference of Vattel’s Law of Nations.

There is no doubt that the Founding Fathers did not exclusively use the English translation, but relied upon the French original. On December 9th of 1775, Franklin wrote to Vattel’s editor, C.G.F. Dumas, “ I am much obliged by the kind present you have made us of your edition of Vattel. It came to us in good season, when the circumstances of a rising state make it necessary frequently to consult the Law of Nations. has been continually in the hands of the members of our congress, now sitting. Accordingly, that copy which I kept has been continually in the hands of the members of our congress, now sitting, who are much pleased with your notes and preface, and have entertained a high and just esteem for their author.”

DEBUNKED!

LOLOLOL

Where's your proof? YOU HAVE NONE!

Which makes you a liar!

“The ruling of the Indiana court is wrong.”

Really? Based on what interpretation of law? In answering this question, be sure to cite to as many cases and statutes as you feel you need to. After all, there must be TONS of legal authority that explicitly states that a natural-born citizen can only be one who is born to parents who are themselves citizens.

And remember…Swiss philosophy is NOT the law.

“We need to focus on verifying Obama's birthplace.”

You go right ahead. The rest of us will focus on the fact that the valid, stamped, state-issued COLB is prima facie evidence of Obama's birth in Hawaii.

If it helps, I heard from a reliable source that eBay has some more kenyan birf sertifikats for sale. Since you don't have any evidence to prove that Obama wasn't born in Hawaii, you may want to buy as many as you can get your hands on LOL.

Natural Born Citizen = Citizen at birth?

The early Congress passed a law in 1790 to make foreign born children of US citizens “natural born citizens”.
The law was repealed just five years later and foreign born children of UC citizens were made “citizens”.

Your definition of NBC contradicts the understanding that the early Congress had when defining citizenship.
They made a clear distinction between the phrases NBC and citizen at birth.

To help your argument we may say that NBC means child born in the US.
The problem with this argument is simple: it disqualifies McCain and foreign born chidren of US citizens from being eligible for POTUS.

It would be an absurd definition of an NBC – to allow children of illegal aliens to be eligible while foreign born children of US citizens (including military on overseas deployment) would not be eligible.

Neither definition of NBC makes sense.

The only one that does is: NBC = born in the USA of citizen parents. It does not contradict the early Congress and there is absolutely no dispute that such citizens are eligible for POTUS.

Comrade trentino,
How many languages do you speak?

No law and no reason can be used to dispute that children born in the USA of citizen parents are natural born citizens.

You do not need any law to accept this statement.

What you are trying to do is to relax the NBC to all citizens at birth. For that one you have to argue, look into different laws – it is not a “natural” definition any more. It is a rule subject to change.

The meaning of the NBC is not subject to change in any rules. It fits perfectly with the intention (national security) expressed in John Jay's letter. This letter is the only source we have when examining why the NBC eligibility phrase was written into the Constitution.

Get a life LOSER!

Orly has never been discredited from what she has brought to court because the case has never been allowed to continue. They have all been dismissed on technicalities. ONCE the case gets to the merits, Obama is GONE!

They agree because OBAMA TOLD them to. We can ALL READ the laws and know better. Once this is proven all these judges, that dismissed her cases, should lose their jobs!

Thanks for proving my point. “Natural born citizen” didn't appear in the English translation of de Vattel until 1797.

Yes, many delegates to the Constitutional Convention could read French, and many probably had read at least some of de Vattel, whether in English or French. My point is that you birthtards keep quoting the 1797 English translation, as if that is what the Constitutional Convention was reading.

Moreover, there is no evidence whatsoever that the Committee of Eleven relied on de Vattel in arriving at the term “natural born citizen” (which is far from the only possible translation of de Vattel).
de Vattel's treatise was hardly the sole basis for our form of government. (If it was, we would have a far different form of government, including a State religion).

English, a good deal better than you do.

German and French, learned in grad school.

Latin learned in high school, at a not very impressive level I'm afraid.

Italian, learned in visits to my overseas family.

And Koine, the language of BCE 5th C Greece, so that I could study the great writers of theatre, poetry, and philosophy in their natural tongue, and capture better thereby the rhythms and timbre of their expression. When you hear the ancient Greek word “thalassa”, meaning “sea”, you have a better grasp of their Mediterranean sensibility for the natural lapping rhythms of the liquid world. Not that you have a clue what I'm talking about.

Your own English remains as insurmountably childish as your 'logic': riddled with irrationality, hatred of blacks, hatred of 'the other', ignorance of our judicial system, and hostility to our American values.

Next?

Her 'case' is so deformed by her legal incompetence that it will never get to court. She has failed in every attempt, and is soon to be disbarred.

YOU would have greater success in meeting the obligations of our judicial system than Orly, and you are an idiot.

No law and no reason can be used to dispute the fact that all squares are rectangles.

So does that mean that only squares are rectangles?

Um, no.

“My point is that you birthtards keep quoting the 1797 English translation, as if that is what the Constitutional Convention was reading.”

WRONG AGAIN…I SAID, and I quote

“There is no doubt that the Founding Fathers did not exclusively use the English translation, but relied upon the French original. On December 9th of 1775, Franklin wrote to Vattel’s editor, C.G.F. Dumas, “ I am much obliged by the kind present you have made us of your edition of Vattel. It came to us in good season, when the circumstances of a rising state make it necessary frequently to consult the Law of Nations.”

It's the same damn book, just in a different language. Geez, get with the program!

Ahh, not bad. The best you can do, and we pat you on the back for it.

Good effort.

hahahaha

“You go right ahead. The rest of us will focus on the fact that the valid, stamped, state-issued COLB is prima facie evidence of Obama's birth in Hawaii.”

You don't even know what Prima Facie IS, you idiot!
Let me help you out:

pri-ma fa-ci-e:
1. at first appearance; at first view, “before investigation”.

2. Prima facie may be used as an adjective meaning “sufficient to establish a fact or raise a presumption UNLESS disproved or rebutted. (been rebutted)

3. It may also be used as an adverb meaning “on first appearance but subject to further evidence or information”.

Idjit

You are the idiot who keeps alleging that Obama is using a fraudulent SSN. Have you reported the fraud to the Social Security Administration yet? I gave you the link several times, but I expect you won't do anything, will you? Your are impotent — all rage and no action.

hahaha, back to the race card, NEVER FAILS…

If ya don't have an answer, just use the race card!

You note below that many of the delegates to the Constitutional Convention could read French. And you note that there were several English translations of de Vattel in existence prior to the Constitutional Convention.

Yet you persist in cutting and pasting a quote from a 1797 English translation.

Interesting, that someone who could only get a “degree” from an on-line diploma mill has the nerve to criticize federal judges….

Wrong again. Have you called Pepperdine yet?

You really have zero idea of how government works, don't you?

As usual, you don't respond to what I was saying, you just blather.

My point was in response to Corny, who seemed to believe that the Indiana court was saying “citizen” is synonomous with “natural born citizen”. All I said is that the court didn't say that, and it does not logically follow from the court's ruling.

It certainly never fails with you.

One look at the image you have chosen for your online self tells us all we need to know.

Thanks!

If you go back and read definition #2, you just proved my point…but I wonder what you mean by “been rebutted?”

Oh, I know. You must mean that the COLB has been rebutted by World Nut Fail-y's finest document “experts.” Yet Orly's never called them to testify under oath as expert witnesses. I wonder why not? Could it be that there is something so stupid and transparently retarded that even Orly won't try it?

Nah, it can't be that.

I think she should call them as witnesses for her next lawsuit; after all, nothing screams “credibility” like a guy named Techdude.

Dumbass.

Irony abounds.

WHO THE HELL CARES. Everyone KNOWS what they meant, except you people trying to defend Obama til the end!

A hell of a LOT more than YOU!

My Proof? Your little birthtard brain may not be able to grasp this, but the fact is Obama’s Hawaiian BC is legal and legitimate, and is accepted by the entire US Government. If you don’t like that, tough shit! And I can guarantee you that you will win the lottery every week for the rest of your life before you can prove that “you” are right, and the entire United States Government is wrong. He is the legal and lawful President and you can go on ranting till the cows come home and believe or disbelieve anything your little heart desires, it will not change the facts.

Read it and weep
http://www.whitehouse.gov/about/presidents/barackobama

My Proof? Your little birthtard brain may not be able to grasp this, but the fact is Obama’s Hawaiian BC is legal and legitimate, and is accepted by the entire US Government. If you don’t like that, tough shit! And I can guarantee you that you will win the lottery every week for the rest of your life before you can prove that “you” are right, and the entire United States Government is wrong. He is the legal and lawful President and you can go on ranting till the cows come home and believe or disbelieve anything your little heart desires, it will not change the facts.

Read it and weep
http://www.whitehouse.gov/about/presidents/barackobama

Dumbass, that piece of garbage Obama has posted, is not even complete.

If you look on the bottom left, you will see that it says “FILED” on, not “Accepted” on…which means he never sent in proof and they NEVER accepted it!

Find a copy of a REAL Hawaiian “Certification of Live Birth” and you will SEE the difference!

No matter how ya slice it, HE’S GUILTY!

Dumbass, that piece of garbage Obama has posted, is not even complete.

If you look on the bottom left, you will see that it says “FILED” on, not “Accepted” on…which means he never sent in proof and they NEVER accepted it!

Find a copy of a REAL Hawaiian “Certification of Live Birth” and you will SEE the difference!

No matter how ya slice it, HE’S GUILTY!

hahaha, funny you should use the word “ACCEPTED”…

Dumbass, that piece of garbage Obama has posted, is not even complete.

If you look on the bottom left, you will see that it says “FILED on”, not “Accepted on”…which means he never sent in proof and they NEVER accepted it! When they recieve PROOF, they go in and change the FILED to ACCEPTED!

Find a copy of a REAL Hawaiian “Certification of Live Birth” and you will SEE the difference!

No matter how ya slice it, HE’S GUILTY!

hahaha, funny you should use the word “ACCEPTED”…

Dumbass, that piece of garbage Obama has posted, is not even complete.

If you look on the bottom left, you will see that it says “FILED on”, not “Accepted on”…which means he never sent in proof and they NEVER accepted it! When they recieve PROOF, they go in and change the FILED to ACCEPTED!

Find a copy of a REAL Hawaiian “Certification of Live Birth” and you will SEE the difference!

No matter how ya slice it, HE’S GUILTY!

My post addresses this part of your post:
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“Natural born citizen” includes only the former — those who are citizens at birth.

Why is that so hard for you to understand? Did you stay in school long enough to study Venn diagrams?
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You version of citizenship Venn diagram is not correct.
Read my previous post for explanation.

And my name is Orly!!! LOL

“If you look on the bottom left, you will see that it says “FILED” on, not “Accepted” on…which means he never sent in proof and they NEVER accepted it!’

Ah, the old “filed” versus “accepted” argument. That must’ve been Techdude’s silver bullet, earning him the respect and admiration of birfers nationwide. With that kind of impeachable logic, I guess Orly should get him sworn in as soon as possible.

While he’s under oath, perhaps he can explain away Janice Okubo’s inconvenient statement that Obama was born in Hawaii, as well as why the spokesperson for the State Department of Health would lie about her findings.

Good LUCK with THAT (see? I can randomly capitalize words too)!

“If you look on the bottom left, you will see that it says “FILED” on, not “Accepted” on…which means he never sent in proof and they NEVER accepted it!’

Ah, the old “filed” versus “accepted” argument. That must’ve been Techdude’s silver bullet, earning him the respect and admiration of birfers nationwide. With that kind of impeachable logic, I guess Orly should get him sworn in as soon as possible.

While he’s under oath, perhaps he can explain away Janice Okubo’s inconvenient statement that Obama was born in Hawaii, as well as why the spokesperson for the State Department of Health would lie about her findings.

Good LUCK with THAT (see? I can randomly capitalize words too)!

Lets try your analogy:
Born in the USA of Citizen Parents = Square.
Citizen = rectangle

You are saying that there might be other shapes that are rectangles. True.

Translated into citizenship domain:
A citizen at birth citizen is a citizen.
or
Naturalized citizen is a citizen.

Your analogy says nothing about having an alternative definition for a square (NBC)!

Lets try your analogy:
Born in the USA of Citizen Parents = Square.
Citizen = rectangle

You are saying that there might be other shapes that are rectangles. True.

Translated into citizenship domain:
A citizen at birth citizen is a citizen.
or
Naturalized citizen is a citizen.

Your analogy says nothing about having an alternative definition for a square (NBC)!

No surprise there!

Thank you for your candid admission (at last!), your many pen names, and your bewildering history of multiple personalities!

Now: why do you hate America?

What “pen names” and “multiple personalities” are you talking about?

1 Stat. 104 (1790) says that “children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond the sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens . . . ” It does NOT say that only those children are “natural born citizens.” But if Congress in 1790 would use the term “natural born citizen” to apply to someone born outside of the United States, it clearly contradicts your reading of the term “natural born citizen.”

3 Stat. 414 (1795) simply uses the term “citizen.”

Both statutes are titled “An Act to Establish An Uniform Rule of Naturalization.” For the most part, they relate to naturalization of persons who are not U.S. citizens at birth. Neither statute purports to address in any way, shape or form the status of someone born in the United States. Thus, they do nothing to illumine whether the “Founding Fathers” thought someone born in the U.S. was a “natural born citizen.” Moreover, it does not purport to distinguish among types of citizens. It does not say who or who isn't considered a “natural born citizen.” The term natural born citizen was used in the 1790 Act and never again. Do you think that means that no one is a “natural born citizen”?

If you want to research the history of the 1790 and 1795 statutes, be my guest. But I don't see how they purport to define the universe of who is or who is not a “natural born citizen” for purposes of Article II, Section 1, Clause 4.

Those would be yours.

You, 'attorney', 'ernie', 'obamaacorn', 'axj' all leave behind you, like Hansel in the woods, a trail of forensic evidence: the same bad grammar, spelling mistakes, inappropriate singular/plural references, childish syntax, and a host of other indicators that you are, almost certainly, the same person.

And that person? Why, the narcissistic Orly herself!

If I am in error, please feel free to prove me wrong.

Post your notarized birth certificate. Now.

Post your notarized SSN. Now.

Provide the names and home addresses of at least 6 (six) witnesses as to the validity of same. Now.

What's good for the goose…

And, once again, why do you hate America?

Where did you get the idea about on-line diploma mill – from comrade trentino's rants?

Corny is having a really bad week:

(1) Judgment for $20,000 in sanctions against Orly.

(2) U.S. 3rd Circuit slaps down Phil Berg.

(3) Indiana Court of Appeals issues a clear and cogent ruling on “natural born citizen.”

(4) Orly gets a trial date — for a speeding citation.

(5) Orly's protest of Bill O'Reilly is a spectacular fail.

(6) Corny lies about black people attending the Bachmann “angry white people only” rally, and her own videos provide the proof.

Actually, Orly, we got it from your own website.

You were too stupid and unqualified to gain admission to an accredited law school; instead, you went to an online diploma mill called The Taft School, recognized as a law school by no one.

Here's what the Taft School says at its own website:

“The Distance Education and Training Council (http://www.detc.org) is a non-profit section 501(c) (6) educational association located in Washington, D.C. It was founded in 1926 to promote sound educational standards and ethical business practices within the correspondence field. The independent nine-member Accrediting Commission of the DETC was established in 1955.”

NOTE: “within the correspondence field.”

Since then, they have gone on to award themselves meaningless 'credentials' from other trade associations for correspondence schools.

Here's what the State Bar of California says on its website: “Taft Law School is an unaccredited law school in California.” Unaccredited, Orly. Do you understand what that means?

SOURCE: http://calbar.ca.gov/state/calbar/calbar_generi…

Orly, you are a quack, incompetent to enter an accredited law school in California. Just ask the State Bar.

SOURCE, AGAIN: http://calbar.ca.gov/state/calbar/calbar_generi…

And that's how the world knows about Orly's on-line diploma mill.

Thanks for asking!!! We appreciate it!!!

Please cite the statute or case that supports your definition of “natural born citizen” as meaning ONLY a person born in the United States to parents who are both citizens.

Can’t do it? Then all you have is your opinion that the most restrictive definition is the only possible correct definition.

We have a Senate Resolution, and the unanimous opinion of the Indiana Court of Appeals.

Please cite the statute or case that supports your definition of “natural born citizen” as meaning ONLY a person born in the United States to parents who are both citizens.

Can’t do it? Then all you have is your opinion that the most restrictive definition is the only possible correct definition.

We have a Senate Resolution, and the unanimous opinion of the Indiana Court of Appeals.

I never said that the law from 1790 defined all NBCs. My point was that the NBC definition was extended to children of US citizens born overseas.

By repealing that law in 1795 (after only 5 years), Congress clearly indicated that they realized their mistake about redefining the meaning of an NBC.

I used these laws as an illustration of the point that the early Congress did not consider NBC to be the same as citizen at birth.

Therefore, we should not do it either.

I am using the process of ellimination to come up with the definition of an NBC.
There are only three possibilities:

a) born in US of citizen parents (most strict definition)

b) born a Citizen (includes foreign born children of US citizens)

c) born in the US (includes children of illegal aliens)

The problem with definition (c) is simple: it disqualifies McCain and foreign born chidren of US citizens from being eligible for POTUS. It would be an absurd definition of an NBC – to allow children of illegal aliens to be eligible while foreign born children of US citizens (including military on overseas deployment) would not be eligible.

By showing that options (b) and (c) are not correct, only option (a) remains.
This is also the only definition that is bulletproof in a sense that nobody has any doubts that such citizens are NBCs.

Someone named 'naturalized citizen' enquired about how it was Orly Taitz obtained her degree from an online diploma mill.

This is how it happened:

naturalizedcitizen 45 minutes ago
Where did you get the idea about on-line diploma mill – from comrade trentino's rants?

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Actually, Orly, we got it from your own website.

You were too stupid and unqualified to gain admission to an accredited law school; instead, you went to an online diploma mill called The Taft School, recognized as a law school by no one.

Here's what the Taft School says at its own website:

“The Distance Education and Training Council (http://www.detc.org) is a non-profit section 501(c) (6) educational association located in Washington, D.C. It was founded in 1926 to promote sound educational standards and ethical business practices within the correspondence field. The independent nine-member Accrediting Commission of the DETC was established in 1955.”

NOTE: “within the correspondence field.”

Since then, they have gone on to award themselves meaningless 'credentials' from other trade associations for correspondence schools.

Here's what the State Bar of California says on its website: “Taft Law School is an unaccredited law school in California.” Unaccredited, Orly. Do you understand what that means?

SOURCE: http://calbar.ca.gov/state/calbar/calbar_generi…

Orly, you are a quack, incompetent to enter an accredited law school in California. Just ask the State Bar.

SOURCE, AGAIN: http://calbar.ca.gov/state/calbar/calbar_generi…

And that's how the world knows about Orly's on-line diploma mill.

Thanks for asking!!! We appreciate it!!!

Comrade trentino,

You need to ask “bearclaw” to confirm what my native country is. We had a discussion few days ago and I gave him enough clues to figure it out.

Ask “bearclaw” to confirm or deny your suspicions.

Is your only reason for dropping Option (b) the fact that Congress, in 1795, dropped the use of the term “natural born citizen” for children of U.S. citizens born overseas? Or do you also eliminate it because you cannot imagine how someone born in the United States to parents who are not citizens could possibly grow up to be a good and loyal American?

Kenya? Where you were raised with Mr Obama in Mombassa Mosque 223? Black Momba Mosque 447?

Thanks for not even TRYING to pretend that your 'pal' Orly went to an accredited law school. She simply did not.

The 1795 law is one of the reasons for dropping (b) from possible options.

I never doubt that majority of people “born a citizen” are loyal to USA. That is not the point.

There is a rule in place to protect the possibility that a person, loyal to other country by either birth or blood, becomes a commander of US military.

We do not know what lies in somebody's heart when it comes to true loyalty. The chances are better that a child born in the USA of citizen parents owes loyalty to the USA only.

I do not think that Colin Powell could be objective if USA had to go to war against Jamaica.

The eligibility requirement is not a litmus test on who is loyal to the USA. It is a national security protection measure from having a candidate groomed by a foreign country to take over the command of US military.

No, the Philadephia Library (founded by Benjamin Franklin and known as the Library Company of Philadephia) was moved from State Hall (now called Independence Hall) to the second floor of Carpenters’ Hall (off Chestnut Street near Fourth) in 1773-74. So, this book that you believe was the foundation of our republic was in fact in a different building than that Constitutional Convention.

Wrong again.

No, the Philadephia Library (founded by Benjamin Franklin and known as the Library Company of Philadephia) was moved from State Hall (now called Independence Hall) to the second floor of Carpenters’ Hall (off Chestnut Street near Fourth) in 1773-74. So, this book that you believe was the foundation of our republic was in fact in a different building than that Constitutional Convention.

Wrong again.

“There is a rule in place.”

No, it is merely your opinion. Not shared by the United States Senate. Not shared by the appellate court that just interpreted “natural born citizen.” Do you understand that your opinion does not constitute a “rule” and that people (including Senators and Judges) who disagree with you are not “modifying” or “relaxing” rules? Or do you think you are the source of all wisdom on the meaning of our laws?

(Rhetorical question — I think I understand better how you got into your box, and why you insist on staying there).

I think you're probably the one birther here that has the most shit in them. In other words, you're full of shit.

Oh. I dare you to contact Colin Powell and tell him you question his loyalty to the United States:

Bronze Star
Purple Heart
Chair of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
National Security Advisor
Secretary of State

Seriously. Write to him. Tell him you are glad he never became President because you live in fear that he will sell us out to the Jamaicans.

If that sentence is the only one that bothers you, let me re-phrase it:
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There is a strong check in place to protect the possibility that a foreigner becomes a commander of US military.
———————————-

The main ides from my previous post is still the same: NBC is a safety measure.

Would he hesitate to order a destruction of a Jamaican city if circumstances called for it?

Jamaica is a small country not a likely security threat to USA, not the best example of possible problem with US national security.

What do you think about future persident whose parents are either Chinese or Russian citizens?

If Hary Truman had a Japanese parent, would he have made the decision to drop the nuclear bomb on Japan?

In your previous posts you implied that I was Orly and that my diploma was from an on-line mill.

Why did you change your opinion? How do you now that your initial guess was wrong?

Any sane human being would hesitate to destroy a city or drop a nuclear bomb. You apparently have no qualms about killing millions. So, you want a President who can order the deaths of lots a people without losing any sleep about it? Bush must have been a wet dream for you.

How is it more of a safety measure than letting the VOTERS decide who they think will best serve the country?

Hypothetical: one child born in America to Russian parents who were sworn in as citizens 10 minutes before the birth. Another child born to Russian parents who were sworn in as citizens ten minutes after the child was born. You see a national security issue in preventing the second child from running for President, none for the first.

Crazy.

I never said that president should be making casual decisions on use of any weapons nuclear or conventional.

Read my previous two posts carefully.

Liar. I never asked you where you were from. I didn't give a rat's ass, NC, and I still don't. I asked you what you had accomplished in life, and instead of responding to that question, you told me you grew up in a communist country that went through a civil war. Turns out your big “accomplishments” are getting a master's degree and paying your taxes.

And I note that you are responding to a post in which Trent also didn't ask you where you were from. Do you think we care? Like I told you: you aren't persuading anyone here. You are just entertaining us.

It is likely that in the hypothetical scenario you described there would have been no difference.

But you have to have a specific rule.
No matter how close a person is to the boundary – rule should be followed.

Think of NBC as an additional protection – voters do not know what a particular candidate has in his/hers heart.

The only thing I can confirm is that you are an endless source of entertainment.

If Taft College was smarter, it could have prevented a ludicrous disgrace from being an embarrassment to online, quick degree mills everywhere.

I never said you asked for it – I only said that you had enough information to figure it out. There were few other clues that are important for comparison of the situation in USA today with the one I lived through in my native country.

If you have not noticed “trentino” is stuck on the idea that natrualizedcitizen = Orly.

Your parallel blunders in English suggest you are one and the same person.

Her notorious narcissism suggests she pretends to be others, in order to praise herself.

Her ceaseless efforts at self-promotion also enjoy a certain lethal parallel to your own.

Her obsessive-compulsive disorder with birtherism matches your own.

If you are two separate people, it is a distinction without a difference.

I have no suspicions. Your mental disorder is clear to all who follow your posturings.

You are a crackpot, first to last.

Yeah watch out for those Baptist suicide-bombers!

time to show your papers, NC
No brainer that you've been deceitful about any number of claims. You can end all this now by showing us your long form

“This is not the best example”LOL. I'd say it's an inconvenient example for your sorryass theory

You know, some people are just to stupid to have a coherent conversation with. Go play with your coloring books.

You mean you're NOT?

Show your papers or shut up.

If you didn't get your legal “knowledge” from the William Howard Taft Law School Named After the Only President to Own a Tricycle, where did you get it? Wikipedia? Orly Taitz' web site? A newly minted legal secretary writes and thinks better than you do, babe.

You are wrong. Give it up.

I can't imagine why we'd go to war against Jamaica in the first place.

I tried. They made no sense because your English skills are so poor.

Clearly “everyone” doesn’t know what the Founders intended. You are a clear case in point.

Not to mention that the two documents were written over a decade apart by different people, for different reasons.

Sorry, but I prefer truth, literacy, and good manners.

Guilty of what? Being black?

Give it up, Cornholio. You are wrong, and no matter how much you scream and how many ugly icons you use, the President will remain in office.

Please, you poor sub-literate boob: in our country, we spell his name ‘Harry’.

At least TRY to pass for an American.

Most of your comments are complaints about form – you have contributed very little substance to this blog.

I'd have to say that the most pathetic thing about NC is that he's FLATTERED to be taken for Orly Taitz
that's nauseating, and funny—in a sick sort of way…even if he IS Orly
LOL

“Orly has never been discredited…”
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

If you are not bright enough to manage the principles of form, you are too stupid to managethe essentials of content.

You are an evil racist whose own cartoon online image shows the depth of your belief in American equality.

You are a coward frightened by the prospect of a black man leading what in your fevered fury you imagine to be a white country.

You are a subversive who will do and say anything to prevent our system from working democratically.

Other than that, Corny, you are amusing and we like you!

But you could use just a bit more blackface, wider bow ties, and spats.

Dear Birthers:

Tell us more about the “mysterious international brotherhood” that Graham the Red has described.

Are you part of it? When do you meet? How does one join? How much does it cost? May we pay in your rubles?

We must know!

Dear Birthers:

Tell us more about the “mysterious international brotherhood” that Graham the Red has described.

Are you part of it? When do you meet? How does one join? How much does it cost? May we pay in your rubles?

We must know!

May I remind folks that, over a day ago, someone calling herself 'Attorney' was busy posting here?

Among her many mad accusations was one that caught our attention. According to 'Attorney', 39 members of the “Federal Judiciary” were monitoring these boards, armed with search warrants for our IPs, and ready to jail us for alleged violations of the Hatch Act. Immediately.

Curious about this bizarre assertion, we asked 'Attorney' to name EVEN ONE of these 39 Federal judges. Not three. Not two. Not all 39. Just ONE.

Well, more than a day has rolled by and, guess what? Yet another insane birther has flown the coop. This lie-by-night parasite zooms in, lays lies, and flies away again. Not one name was provided. No evidence. No proof. Nothing. Just another ridiculous lie.

Anyone notice a pattern?

These cretins will say anything, lie about anything, make anything up, invent panels of fictitious Judges, forge Kenyan birth certificates, suborn perjury, purport to act on behalf of clients who have already fired them, claim to know the names of “paid DOJ bloggers”, insist on a “mysterious international brotherhood” that actually runs the world, and do anything else it takes to keep their egos stoked with self-importance.

These cretins are caught with their lies and forged documents time and again, and seem to imagine that the world takes them seriously.

The world does not.

'Attorney' has been caught telling another whopper, as was 'Ernie', 'Graham the Red', 'AXJ Rocks', 'Naturalized Citizen', and so many other con men before them.

Guys, face it: your track record is so horrible, so laughable, so provably false that you should really enter another line of work.

Perhaps running an online, unaccredited law school? That would be good for you. Good luck!

It controls the international traffic in quatloos.

Damn! ALL the secrets are coming out.

“…even if he is Orly”

Confused about gender?

Not as confused as Orly is…

We are but thralls.

They sure didn’t with Shrub, who ran us into the ground in eight short years.

Oly's not a 'he'?
coulda fooled me. Of course I'm confused about Ann Coulter's gender too

Here's what it's like for the sane people on this board to deal with the nuts, the loons, the conspiracists… in other words, the birthers.

They will never, EVER be satisfied. It is the nature of their fetish that they CANNOT be satisfied. Every fact is simply proof of an even deeper cover-up. Their lunacy is a bottomless pit.

CONSIDER: the great mathematician, Nobel Prize winner, and skeptic, Lord Bertrand Russell, was once giving a public lecture on astronomy.

He described how the earth orbits around the sun and how the sun, in turn, orbits around the center of a vast collection of stars called our galaxy.

At the end of the lecture, a little old lady at the back of the room got up and said, “What you have told us is rubbish. The world is really a flat plate supported on the back of a giant turtle.”

Lord Russell asked, “What is the turtle standing on?”

“You’re very clever, young man, very clever,” said the old lady. “It's another turtle!”

“And what,” asked Lord Russell, “is THAT turtle standing on?”

“Easily answered,” said the old lady. “It’s turtles all the way down!”

Ahhh, crackpots.

Sorry, but “Muslim” as a spelling for a member of the Islamic religion goes back to 1615. “Moslem” is a variation, possibly Persian, that is considered offensive in some areas. Either spelling is acceptable, but “Muslim” is currently preferred and has been for quite some time.

And well-rounded irony isn't just a ferrous wheel, right?

I am not a nut-case, as several of you ungraciously refer to anyone who expects the U.S. President to come up with his long-form birth certificate. I am an attorney in active practice, however, and I just want to voice my current support for the ideals to which Orly Taitz is committed, while simultaneously emphasizing that I do not, in any manner, for a moment, support Orly Taitz's tactics. I heartily disapprove of her rude comments, slang language, improper grammar, and unrelenting insults leveled at members of the Judiciary. I do not believe that it is ever proper to be as rude to any judge as Orly Taitz routinely is, and for that reason alone, I no longer support her.

Twice I have posted comments on the Orly Taitz's own web site, both of which were intended as critiques of her grammatical/stylistic problems that are evident in her Motion for Reconsideration and Amended Motion for Reconsideration of the recent California Order to Dismiss. Not only does Orly Taitz refuse to post either of those two comments by me, but she clearly learned nothing from my first attempted post, because the same or similar errors appeared in her amended pleading.

Because I am not only a licensed attorney, but also adjunct faculty teaching English at a local university, I believe that Orly Taitz could have learned something from my critique, but she chooses to remain in the dark regarding possible improvements in her legal writing.

I have no understanding and no acceptance of an attorney who files with the Court a pleading that contains contractions, to-wit: “should've”, which is one of the most noteworthy and glaring examples of slang in Orly Taitz's pleadings. Contractions have no legitimate place in professional legal writing. In addition, an attorney should know that the possessive “its” does not contain an apostrophe, as the meaning of “it's” or “it is” is entirely different.

Two of my other comments centered around the inappropriateness of her statement about how many medical exams the attorney has taken. It is unusual and bizarre, to say the least, for anyone to think that the Court cares a whit about that, or for any attorney to think that medical exams have any relevance to the issues before the Court. In addition, there were several examples of other slang (“as a matter of fact”), in addition to hyperbole (“clearly”, “obviously”, “everyone knows”) in the original motion that had no place in competent, professional legal writing. I wonder why no one proofread/edited the motion before it was filed with the Court, because both the original Motion for Reconsideration and the Amended Motion filed by Orly Taitz in California appear to have been written by an incompetent first-year law student who has not completed the mandatory first year Legal Research and Writing.

In addition, language in the original motion insulted the Court in two ways. First, the attorney addressed the Court rudely in the second person, which is simply too direct and too familiar, and thus inappropriate when addressing the Court. It is cheeky, and therefore rude. In addition, Orly Taitz insulted the Court by assuming that judges do very little work, and that they all have their law clerks write their trial opinions and rulings on motions. I am of the opinion that all judges work hard and often stay evenings and come in on weekends to complete the mountains of legal work with which they are saddled. Orly Taitz clearly does not share my respect and high opinion of the judiciary, and Orly Taitz's arrogance therefore comes through in her pleadings, loud and clear. One does not need a law degree to understand that it is simply not smart to insult a judge from whom one hopes to receive a positive ruling. If Orly Taitz is as intelligent as she claims, then it is surprising that she does not understand this basic point that applies to all human nature, and that includes those on the bench, of course.

I also think that Orly Taitz will have difficulty finding any attorney to assist her in drafting pleadings, because it would embarrass most of us to have our name associated with such poor legal writing and with unrelenting insults to the Court.

I wish Orly Taitz well, because I do believe that Obama is ineligible to be U.S. President under the Constitution, but if these two forms of the Motion for Reconsideration of the Order to Dismiss in California are any indication of the sort of pleading that these several Courts, including the Georgia Court, have been reading, it is amazing that even the California case survived as long as it did. I am stymied by the attitude and name-calling of those who derisively call folks “birthers” because demand is made for all of Obama's records, including his long-form borth certificate and passport documents and social security information. Under my reading of the U.S. Constitution and relevant case law, Obama is ineligible, NO MATTER WHERE HE WAS BORN. He does not have two parents who both were U.S. Citizens, and as a purported Constitutional scholar, Obama knows that. A Court is needed that will demand to see the records that Barack Obama has spent $1.8M in legal fees to hide, but I do not believe that Orly Taitz is the attorney to handle the matter, as she exhibits no respect for the Courts.

If you have found a compelling reason for stare decisis to be ignored in this case, isn't it incumbent upon you, as an officer of the Court, to file an amicus brief with Judge Carter requesting a reconsideration on the grounds of new evidence? Or are you Charles Lincoln or Orly Taitz in yet another clever plastic disguise?

I will ignore entirely the grammatical errors and awkward phrasings in the above posting, even though they wouldn't have passed muster in my tenth grade English class….

If, under your reading of the Constitution, Barack Obama is ineligible to be President because his father was Kenyan — a fact Obama readily admits — why do you need to see his birth certificate or his passport records? Your argument is that someone with one foreign parent cannot be a “natural born citizen.” The President's place of birth, and his passport records, are irrelevant to that claim.

Bear, don't you understand that, in addition to being an 'attorney' , Ms Dunce also has an adjuncted faculty for the English language. Therefore, I think you are well out of your depth in questioning her razor-sharp analysis of the Kenyan Usurper.

Particularly interesting is that “anitadunnce” takes offense at the use of the term “birther” yet seems to have no problem hiding behind a moniker that makes a derisive use of the name of Anita Dunn, the recently resigned White House Communications Director. This reminds of the familiar Republican tactic of demanding that liberals engage in “civil discourse” while conservatives compare Democrats, the President, and policy initiatives as fascist.

And if anitadunnce thinks “birther” is the worst name we use, s/he hasn't been reading this blog for long.

“Under my reading of the U.S. Constitution and relevant case law, Obama is ineligible, NO MATTER WHERE HE WAS BORN. He does not have two parents who both were U.S. Citizens, and as a purported Constitutional scholar, Obama knows that.”

So you've read the “relevant case law” but conveniently forgot to include a citation to this case law. Is there a reason why?

Something tells me that indeedaduncecap is about as much of a lawyer as Orly is.

” . . . that Barack Obama has spent $1.8M in legal fees to hide”

Birther B.S.

Birthers quote a wide range of these alleged fees without a shred of credible proof. But more importantly, if I file dozens of frivolous lawsuits against you in civil court and demand that you should not be allowed to pay for legal representation, would you willingly and simply comply. I didn't think so.

Onus probandi. Where's your proof? How many cases were not filed against the President? How many are pro bono? Do you have copies of law firm receipts or did you read this from your own toilet paper?

And if you cite wnd.com, you will be rightfully mocked and derided.

If you cite the unsubstantiated lie made by truther/birther Philip Berg, you will rightfully mocked even more.

“He does not have two parents who both were U.S. Citizens . . .”

Irrelevant according to qualified authorities in the U.S. judiciary and Congress.

Your erroneous opinion is irrelevant and since you're undoubtedly a birther, you're a flaming nut case. A macadamia shell on fire.

And typing in all caps makes you a screaming, flaming nut case.

Even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in awhile & you bearclaw have put everything in a nutshell with the above post.

The “Brotherhood of the Bell” with Glenn Ford? Skull&Bones, Illuminati, Trilateralists, Bilderbergers, Ecumenical Council of Churches, Islam, National Educators Assoc., ACORN, Planned Parenthood, this mysterious brotherhood goes by many names.

You are an admitted liar.

NO ONE BELIEVES A WORD YOU SAY.

If you lie about God — and you have — you can, and will, and do lie about anything.

Typical lunatic birther.

You are a self-confessed liar.

No one believes a word you say.

About time to change your nic, I'd say. The one you use now is utterly discredited. I'd suggest GrahamCrackers666, or something like that. Suits your personality.

BTW, you are still a liar. Using disgusting curse words, and pretending to be a Christian? What a joke.

You still haven't produced visual evidence to back up any of your claims about your family or family associates. This request is just as reasonable as your demand that the President produce his school records going back to kindergarten, so please put your money where your mouth is and show your papers. Otherwise, admit that you're a hypocrite and go home.

The “fact” to which Obama admits is that his father was Kenyan. Ineligibility is a legal conclusion.

At least I didn't lie to run for president.

Attorney Doctor Orly Taitz would have received a more respected education and degrees had she attended Occidental & Columbia Colleges as a Foreign Student like the Obama did.

If you didn't lie then, you're certainly making up for it now.

I see that 'Graham the Red' took my advice, having been utterly discredited by his own remarks, and is now posing as 'Gunny Red'. Well done! We have been deceived.

Meantime time, a good joke at the expense of Gunny, Graham, Naturalized Citizen, Ernie, AJX Rocks in Head, RuPaulMD, Orly Herself, and all the other lunatics here. Referring to the issue of their diminished mental capacity, it has been observed,

“That's because you're bloody nuts. You're so totally nuts that squirrels with food fetishes stare at you in awe.”

Great line. Sad truth.

Um, no. Her nationality has nothing to do with where she went to school, and please note that no one is calling for her stop practicing dentistry because she attended an Israeli dental school. The point is that instead of going to an actual accredited law school, she chose to attend an unaccredited diploma mill.

You keep spouting obvious lies.

That makes you a liar, a coward, a traitor and a despicable POS.

The usual antibirther namecalling. “No, you're stupid”, Why don't you call me a racist again? Maybe crazy? Or uneducated? better yet “sore loser”.
Once we see the original BC & college records this will all be over and you Obama Kool-aid drinkers will have to find another socialist heathen to run for president only legally. The BC & college records please.

Another prayer being said for 1280 the Trent going up right now.

How sincere.

RedHam: if you are indeed RunnyRed, then I WILL call you a liar: RunnyRed posted a couple of weeks ago that one must be an Indonesian citizen in order to attend school there.
That is a lie.
I personally know more than one American citizen who has attended public school in either Bali or Jakarta.
Is this your lie, or do you wish to disown it?

Birth certificate was published a year ago. College records are not relevant. And yes, you are a racist, show signs of ignorance of both civics and the law, and are a very, very sore loser.

You also have yet to put your money where your mouth is and prove that any member of your family is anything other than white. Stop being a hypocrite and produce the documentation of your wife's Native ancestry, your daughter's adoption and birth in Korea, and her boyfriend's membership in either a gang or a Christian church.

So speaks our resident authority on nuts, and blind squirrels.

Neither did the President. Sarah Palin, on the other hand….

You have some serious issues to resolve, don't you? The fact that you are
unable to discuss this matter makes my case for me, without any further
proof that you are a narrow, anti-social loner. If you truly wished to
discuss the matter of Obama's ineligibility to take the oath of U.S.
President, then I would discuss the matter with you. Your only desire,
however, is to call names and out-shout anyone who disagrees with you. Good
luck with that!!

You claim to be so smart. Why should I, therefore, do your legal research
for you? Look up the relevant case law for yourself.

You're right, Bearclaw. Obama is ineligible to be U.S. President even if no
reference is made to his actual place of birth, which his own
step-grandmother claims was Kenya. Only a dolt would find it acceptable
that Obama has spent so much money to hide dozens of records, including
passport and college transcript and medical records, so intelligent folks
should wonder what the man is hiding, after all. As soon as it is
revealed exactly what appears in the docs that he has sealed from view, we
will have knowledge of additional bases for the criminal charges that must
be filed against him for fraud, treason, etc.

Ellid, you sound like a goof who tries hard to appear intelligent on paper
by filling up lines with irrelevant verbiage. Unless you located a typo in
my post, you will find no “grammatical errors or awkward phrasings” in my
writing. As a university English professor, I am confident in my writing
ability. It is your sentence fragment beginning with “[o]r are you” that
causes me to question your ability to express yourself in writing, Ellid.
If you wish, I can recommend the college grammar reference that my freshmen
use.

Ellid, I have several additional responses for you. First, stare decisis
has been ignored. That is how Obama managed to lie and cheat his way into
the Oval Office. It is my position that relevant U.S. Supreme Court case
law must be followed on the issue of the requirements for a “natural born
citizen” of the U.S.

Second, check the federal rules on Motions for Reconsideration, time
constraints, grounds required, etc. You have posted nonsense without a
sound legal basis. Educate yourself before you post regarding legal
matters, and remember the adage, “Better to remain silent and be thought a
fool than to open your mouth and . . . [you know the rest]“

Third, I am unfamiliar with Charles Lincoln. I will google the name,
however.

Fourth, I have no connection to Orly Taitz. Further, I think that her
Motion for Reconsideration in the matter decided by the Judge Carter in
California was so poorly written that no first year law student would agree
to attach his name to it. In my view, she has .000001% of success in that
motion, so no, I am not Orly, and I would be embarrassed to admit it if I
were.

And he admits his father was Kenyan. All the world knows that. So why are these other records relevant to eligibility? Or is your real concern with pressing criminal charges against the President?

I don't hear anyone “out-shout”ing you—–I do see lots of normal people laughing at your ridiculous beliefs. As for your anti-social loner, look in the mirror. You Birfers are just another hideous cult that will eventually fall off of America's ass if somebody doesn't lance it like a puss-filled boil.

That is one of my concerns. In order, my concerns are 1) to protect our
country by removing the imposter from the White House; 2) to have him face
federal charges for criminal fraud and treason, in addition to other charges
such as theft and social security number fraud, and to have him spend the
rest of his life behind bars for the enormity of his crimes; and 3) to have
him found liable for a civil judgment for all the damage that his fraud has
wrought.

We need to see the documents that he aggressively, and thus far
successfully, has paid to have sealed, because I think the information
exhibited there will be useful in proving the “intent” element of various
criminal and civil counts to be filed against him by the U.S. Government,
i.e. all three of his college transcripts likely state that he is a “foreign
student” and probably a citizen of Pakistan.

The saddest part of the mess caused by this greedy and dishonest man is the
negative message that his forcible removal from office will send to little
black American and African children, who see in him a role model. Nothing
about Obama, from his fraudulent activities to the numerous date and time
lies in *Dreams From My Father*, are activities after which any child or
teen should model himself.

I am extremely suspicious of Obama's motive behind Holder's decision to hold
the 9/11 terrorist trials in New York City. New York has not executed a
defendant since the 1960's, and I am concerned that Obama has insisted upon
that venue for the purpose of saving the worthless neck of one of his Muslim
compatriots. Obama clearly has split loyalties and is not devoted to our
democratic republic, and it was to avoid precisely that split allegiance
that our English forefathers set up the constitutional requirement for a
U.S. President to be a natural born citizen, i.e. the spawn of TWO American
parents. Obama fails that test, and as an alleged constitutional scholar
and law professor, he well knew that when he first sought the Democratic
nomination. Therein lies his fraud.

Bearclaw, I very much respect the fact that you are able to discuss these
issues without resorting to vile name-calling. Clearly, Americans are able
to disagree without being disagreeable. Thank you for that.

I would but there's just one problem: that case law doesn't exist, which conveniently explains why you didn't include any legal authority to support your position.

The birfer definition of natural-born citizen exists in one place, and one place only: the fevered minds of birfers who think that Swiss philosophy is legal authority in this country.

Chrisjay, surely you understand that when you have sunk to name-calling, you
have lost the argument, because it means there is nothing else for you to
say in defense of your own position. I am curious about what exactly makes
you so angry about Americans who love our country holding the expectation
that the U.S. President should adhere to the requirements of our U.S.
Constitution, i.e. that he should be a natural-born citizen. According to
U.S. Supreme Court case law, that means that he has TWO parents who BOTH are
American citizens.

Obama knew that he was trying to pull a fast one when he participated in a
debate for the U.S. Senate seat that he won, and his opponent claimed
that Obama did not qualify to be President, because he was not a
natural-born citizen. Obama's quick, smart-ass reply: “I'm running for the
Senate, not for the White House”. What a travesty, what sad dishonesty,
what ugly trickery that this imposter should be sitting in our Oval Office,
when he knew full well during the Democratic Primary that he is ineligible.

I wonder what kind of person you are, Chrisjay, to want to shout down the
people who expect to hold all presidents to that standard. Please tell me
something to explain your position to me. Your reponse will be more
effective, of course, if you can do it without vile name-calling.

Now, again, what is there about that requirement set forth by our English
forefathers, in order to be assured that there will be no president who has
divided loyalty, that makes YOU angry?
I worry most about the little black American and African kids and teenagers
who view this fake as a role model. It will no doubt disturb them deeply
and perhaps break their spirit for a period when Obama is lead from the
White House in handcuffs and ultimately spends the remainder of his life in
federal prison for treason, fraud, social security number theft, among other
convictions.

A couple of points:

(1) If you don't like “name calling,” why are you using the moniker “anitadunnce,” which plainly is a derisive play on the name of the (former) White House Communications Director?

(2) If you believe Barack Obama has committed social security fraud, there is a very simple way for you to report it:

http://www.ssa.gov/oig/guidelin.htm

If you don't report it, it seems you shouldn't be complaining about it here.

(3) You are misinformed about the terrorist prosecutions. Whether “New York” has executed anyone is irrelevant (New York currently does not have the death penalty at all). The defendants will be tried in federal court under federal law. The State of New York has nothing to do with the prosecution. The U.S. Attorney is legally entitled to a “death qualified” jury — i.e., anyone who would refuse to impose the death penalty on moral or religious grounds is automatically excluded from the jury.

But on your other points, I'm not even going to try to persuade you, as I'm sure you know you are not going to persuade me.

Uh, citizen of Pakistan? A fourth country? Really? How did he become a citizen of Pakistan, pray tell? By visiting? I lived in Canada for a whole year. Do that make me a Canadian citizen?Cool. Their healthcare system is excellent.

Sorry, if I wrote “citizen of Pakistan”, it was an error. That should have
read “Indonesia”. As far as I am aware, the only connection to Pakistan
would be the trip that he took there when he was circa 21…. and the
question is which passport he used.

John 3:16

Matthew 6:5

Luke 12:2

He used his United States passport, of course. It's what American citizens use.

Hey, I wonder if the birthers are trying to prove that President Obama ate paste as a child.

The “certification of live birth” posted online and widely touted as “Obama's birth certificate” does not in any way prove he was born in Hawaii, since the same “short-form” document is easily obtainable for children not born in Hawaii. The true “long-form” birth certificate – which includes information such as the name of the birth hospital and attending physician – is the only document that can prove Obama was born in Hawaii, but to date he has not permitted its release for public or press scrutiny.
Oddly, though congressional hearings were held to determine whether Sen. John McCain was constitutionally eligible to be president as a “natural born citizen,” no controlling legal authority ever sought to verify Obama's claim to a Hawaiian birth. Under law at the time of the Obama's birth his mother being married to an alien was neither old enough or held residency long enough to confer natural-born status to her son.

Abominations 4:7

Katahdin, you sound very young, and I don't mean to be condescending when I
write that. It's just that most things in this life are not black or white,
but instead many variations of gray. Very young people often fail to see
the complexities of matters, and instead answer quickly and without much
thought, as you just did. In this case, it is not as simple as your rather
simplistic answer, “He used his United States passport, of course. It's what
American citizens use.”

First, there is a question as to whether the man was an American citizen
when he was 21, i.e. when he traveled to Pakistan. By the way, he was being
a rude smart-ass in a debate with Hillary at the time that that tidbit of
information popped out of his mouth, and it was clear from the look on his
face that he wanted to call the words back. He revealed the Pakistani trip
as he was ridiculously trying to show up the former first lady regarding
what an experienced and important “world traveler” he was. He was acting
like the immature punk that he is, and he was being extremely disrespectful
to Hillary Clinton. If he would reveal the sealed docs regarding his
college transcripts and passport records and social security application,
then we would KNOW whether he was a US citizen when he was 21, wouldn't we?
Wonder what he's hiding.

Second, there is the issue of whether he would have been allowed to travel
TO PAKISTAN when he was 21 due to our restrictions on travel to that
country. It would have been very difficult for him to travel there at that
time on an American passport. His Indonesian passport was no problem,
however.

Grow up and register to vote.
2012 will be here in no time. Pick a candidate and work to get him/her elected instead of Obama.
That's how we do democracy here in America.
Your infantile whining is the stuff of losers…

Still waiting for the documents proving that you belong to a multiracial family…..

You mean your favorite Biblical verse *isn't* Genesis 38:8-10?

I'm shocked. I mean, all you seem to do here is diddle yourself in a useless and unproductive fashion…..

You deserve derision, deranged ass munch. Your disrespect of our nation, the President and U.S. law is reason enough.

You're wrong and your delusional, irrational opinions are irrelevant.

You are a disgusting traitor and a disgrace to the United States of America.

Liar.

MCRAE: Could I ask her about his actual birthplace? I would like to see his birthplace when I come to Kenya in December. Was she present when he was born in Kenya?

TRANSLATOR: Yes. She says, yes, she was, she was present when Obama was born.

MCRAE: When I come in December. I would like to come by the place, the hospital, where he was born. Could you tell me where he was born? Was he born in Mombasa?

TRANSLATOR: No, Obama was not born in Mombasa. He was born in America.

MCRAE: Whereabouts was he born? I thought he was born in Kenya.

TRANSLATOR: No, he was born in America, not in Mombasa.

MCRAE: Do you know where he was born? I thought he was born in Kenya. I was going to go by and see where he was born.

TRANSLATOR: Hawaii. Hawaii. Sir, she says he was born in Hawaii. In the state of Hawaii, where his father was also learning, there. The state of Hawaii.

“Only a dolt would find it acceptable
that Obama has spent so much money . . .”

The most common birfer lie. Prove it, ass munch.

Your delusion of prison is a traitorous, twisted fantasy. What are you hiding?

Answer the question or STFU, coward.

“Barack Obama has spent $1.8M in legal fees”

Birthers quote a wide range of these alleged fees without a shred of credible proof. Where's your proof?

You lied because you're a pathetic coward.

I “lied”? I am a “pathetic coward”? What is WRONG with you and your unhappy
life that you have to attack someone about whom you know nothing with your
nasty name-calling?

Your lunacy and ranting make you sound like one of the mindless group that
has trouble coming to terms with the fact that Barack Obama, the former
Svengali Rock-Star has provided the public with stories that are full of
holes and unsubstantiated by any documentation of any kind. He has lied
even in his Dreams From My Father book and his address to the nation's
schoolchildren, to-wit: His father did not “leave” the family home when
baby Barack was two years old….. instead, his parents NEVER shared a
residence as a married couple, not for a single night, and Stanley Ann took
baby Barack to Seattle when the baby was circa 15 DAYS old. That move is
substantiated by the testimony of her friends who saw her in Seattle and by
university records that indicate she had enrolled in university classes.

Get off your high-horse. If you are an angry black man from Chicago, get
over it, and grow up (quickly). Your idol is a fraud, an imposter, a phony
who needs to be kicked out of the Oval Office.

You have deleted two or more relevant portions of the transcript. If I had
any interest in what you believe, I would locate the information online to
prove it to you. Instead, you are aware of exactly what portions you
deleted, so there is no need for any effort on my part.

Your nasty name-calling of an anonymous blogger who simply holds a view
different than yours, and who holds the view that is substantiated by the
facts, indicates that you are at the end of your delusional rope. I
understand. You placed all of your faith and trust and hope in Barack
Obama, the putative prez, and after 10 1/2 months of not a single positive
action on his part, the former Svengali Rock-Star has fallen from grace.
You, like so many others, were nothing more than a deluded, blind and
mindless little lemming as you followed this loser Obama right off the
cliff. He is accused of theft, criminal fraud, and treason, and it is up to
this phony who currently occupies our Oval Office to prove he is who he
CURRENTLY claims to be. It is not up to me to prove diddly to you.
Remember this: when you have to resort to calling ME names, you have
already lost the argument.

I “lied”? I am a “pathetic coward”? What is WRONG with you and your unhappy
life that you have to attack someone about whom you know nothing with your
nasty name-calling?

Your lunacy and ranting make you sound like one of the mindless group that
has trouble coming to terms with the fact that Barack Obama, the former
Svengali Rock-Star has provided the public with stories that are full of
holes and unsubstantiated by any documentation of any kind. He has lied even
in his Dreams From My Father book and his address to the nation's
schoolchildren, to-wit: His father did not “leave” the family home when baby
Barack was two years old….. instead, his parents NEVER shared a residence
as a married couple, not for a single night, and Stanley Ann took baby
Barack to Seattle when the baby was circa 15 DAYS old. That move is
substantiated by the testimony of her friends who saw her in Seattle and by
university records that indicate she had enrolled in university classes.

Get off your high-horse. If you are an angry black man from Chicago, get
over it, and grow up (quickly). Your idol is a fraud, an imposter, a phony
who needs to be kicked out of the Oval Office.

*****************************************************************************

Remember this, fool. You DESERVE derision. And you are name calling in your mentally challenged diatribe above so you're also a FLAMING hypocrite.

And I deleted nothing. I can't stop you from being a complete lunatic, psychopath and an idiot just like McRae.

You are an irrelevant, deranged traitor and a disgrace to the U.S. You'll be lucky if you die in prison where you belong.

“I would locate the information online to
prove it to you.

So, you're also a lazy coward and a disgusting liar.

“10 1/2 months of not a single positive
action on his part”

More proof that you're a lying idiot. GFY.

“Your nasty name-calling”

Look in a mirror and repeat your words, “deluded, blind and
mindless little lemming”

Loser.

” . . . without resorting to vile name-calling.”
“You, like so many others, were nothing more than a deluded, blind and
mindless little lemming”

Hypocrite.

Where's your proof of the millions Obama has allegedly spent on his defense?

Birfoons like you never answer because they are PATHOLOGICAL LIARS.

“second, there is the issue of whether he would have been allowed to travel
TO PAKISTAN when he was 21 due to our restrictions on travel to that
country”

Liar.

NO. 81-33A

Travel Advisory
Passport Services/Bureau of Consular Affa[irs]
Department of State/Wahington. D.C. 205__

AUGUST 17, 1981

TRAVEL TO PAKISTAN

BEFORE TRAVELING TO PAKISTAN, AMERICAN CITIZENS SHOULD BE AWARE OF THE FOLLO[WING] UPDATED VISA REQUIREMENTS: 30 DAY VISAS ARE AVAILABLE AT PAKISTANI AIRPORTS [FOR] TOURISTS ONLY. AS THESE VISAS ARE RARELY EXTENDED BEYOND THE 30 DAY TIME PER[IOD,] TOURISTS PLANNING TO STAY LONGER SHOULD SECURE VISAS BEFORE COMING TO PAKIS[TAN.] ANY TRAVELER COMING INTO PAKISTAN OVERLAND FROM INDIA MUST REPEAT MUST HA[VE A] VALID VISA, AS 30 DAY VISAS ARE NOT REPEAT NOT ISSUED AT THE OVERLAND BOR[DER] CROSSING POINT AT WAGHA.

ANY NON-OFFICIAL AMERICAN WHO IS IN PAKISTAN FOR MORE THAN 30 DAYS MUST REGIS[TER] WITH THE GOVERNMENT’S FOREIGNER REGISTRATION OFFICE. EXIT PERMITS ARE REQUI[RED] FOR THOSE WHO HAVE STAYED LONGER THAN 30 DAYS BEFORE THEY ARE ALLOWED TO LE[AVE T]HE COUNTRY. ALL AMERICANS TRAVELING TO PAKISTAN ON OFFICIAL BUSINESS OR [FOR] PRIVATE EMPLOYMENT ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE A VISA BEFORE ARRIVAL, AND, AS [THE] GOVERNMENT OF PAKISTAN’S CLEARANCE PROCESS IS OFTEN QUITE LENGTHY, WE WOULD URGE TH[OSE] COMING TO APPLY AT THE NEAREST PAKISTANI EMBASSY OR CONSULATE AS FAR IN ADVA[NCE] OF THEIR SCHEDULED ARRIVAL AS POSSIBLE.

THIS SUPERSEDED REQUIREMENTS SET FORTH IN DEPARTMENT PUBLICATION M-264, ["VISA] REQUIREMENTS OF FOREIGN GOVERNMENTS.["]

EXPIRATION DATE: INDEFINITE.

Where's your proof, birthtard?

What are YOU hiding?

Idiot.

There is no question that you are completely full of shit. You have paraded every birfer lie possible. You are a traitor and a disgrace to the U.S.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I am tired of reading your nonsense. You obviously are a
lemming and will follow the imposter, Obama, who currently wrongfully
occupies our Oval Office, wherever he tells you to go. I am sorry for you.
You put all your hope in the man, and he is laughing at your foolishness. I
hope that you recover and get over this craziness of yours.

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Hi, Orly! When are you going to admit your diploma is worthless and sue the William Howard Taft School of Law for Moldovans Who Couldn't Get into a Real Law School?

There was no ban on travel to Pakistan in the early 1980s. The President was not and is not a citizen of Indonesia.

Cut it out, Orly. Or at least have the grace to post under your real name. Your arguments didn't cut it in court and they won't cut it here.

No response is required here, because my name is not Orly. If you are
trying to reach attorney Orly Taitz, google her to get her web site
information. If you had read my previous posts, you would know that I find
her behavior toward the Courts appalling. Because she has no idea how to
conduct herself properly before Judges, and because she expresses herself
so inappropriately in her pleadings, I want no connection with her. Read my
posts, before you waste my time in responding to your off-topic posts.

Since you are making fun of this woman's education, however, I am curious.
For you to taunt someone else's degree, I have to ask when and where you
obtained your own JD?

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Maybe he is American….. maybe he's not. How on earth would anyone KNOW
about the man's citizenship? He is keeping all his records concealed……
all social security application records, medical records, college
transcripts from all three schools, passport documents.

Even a lemming who defends the putative prez with absolutely no written
documentation to support the defense must admit that he is hiding SOMETHING
by keeping his docs concealed. The question is WHAT the man is hiding.
(What is your best guess about the nature of the concealed records?)

*************************************************************************************

“Cut it out, Orly. Or at least have the grace to post under your real
name.”

Get a grip, Buddy. If you had the sense God gave a little green pea, then
you would be able to read Orly Taitz's incompetent writing and then compare
it to anyone else's (including mine)….. even a delusional, raving,
liberal, Barack Obama-screwing liberal should be able to see the disparity
in the writing styles and writing abilities. Do your homework before you
bother me again.
What you apparently cannot accept is that there might be more than one
person in the country who sees through the putative prez on whom you have
nothing more than a juvenile crush.

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Hey, Blogger-Who-Wants-to-Pork-Obama, here is a quote from The Huffington
Post today:

“Sarah Palin declared on Thursday that the legitimacy of President Obama's
birth certificate is “rightfully” an issue with the American public, and
that it is “fair game” for politicians to question Obama's citizenship.”

Read it and weep. Then go stuff a sock in your mouth until you do some real
research on the Imposter who currently wrongfully occupies our Oval Office.

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You're a lying son of a bitch.

Not long ago, you were decrying name calling. I suspected from your moniker that you actually like dishing it out, but can't handle being on the receiving end. I pointed out the inconsistency of your use of “anitadunnce” as a moniker, and you never replied. Now I see that you like trash talking as much as anyone on this blog.

Waah, waah, waah, Bearclaw. Grow up. Go bother someone else unless you
actually have interest, information, and intelligence for discussing real
issues. You sound like a petulant little person, and for that I have
neither interest nor time. If you are incapable of discussing
meaningful issues, don’t contact me with your goofy little posts.

*************************************************

By the way, Bearclaw, Goofus, or what you go by…. if you don’t understand
the distinction, then there is no help for you. Re-read the nasty attacks
that I received because I expect the imposter in the Oval Office to step
forward for once in his worthless, lying life, with some facts. Unless you
ARE Anita Dunn, then you have no issue with me.

*************************************************************

Your own comment: “Bearclaw, I very much respect the fact that you are able to discuss these
issues without resorting to vile name-calling. Clearly, Americans are able
to disagree without being disagreeable. Thank you for that.”

Now YOU are being petulant and resorting to name calling, all because you can’t back up your b.s. I responded to your original post here with substance. Response back from you: nothing.

Typical birftard: you can dish it out, but you can’t take it.

Well, I withdraw the comment. I no longer respect you, because you no
longer exhibit the good qualities mentioned previously by me.

I know you and your ilk, so I think you will enjoy this video: “I’ve Got a
Crush on Obama”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKsoXHYICqU

****************************************************

And yet, like an idiot, you keep coming back to get slapped around some more.

You are an irrelevant, disgusting, deranged traitor and a disgrace to the U.S.

You drooled, “Barack Obama has spent $1.8M in legal fees”

But you've never offered proof. Why? YOU'RE A LIAR.

You call people names and then castigate them for the same thing. Even your nick is a puerile insult. Why? YOU'RE A HYPOCRITE.

anita the idiot birfer drooled, “Barack Obama has spent $1.8M in legal fees”

Prove it or STFU, birthtard.

“all social security application records, medical records, college
transcripts from all three schools, passport documents”

Point out where in the Constititution those documents are requirements to seek the office of U.S. President.

Did you ask that for all previous candidates?

It’s NOYFB and you’re dangerous, racist lunatic and the worst kind of coward..

Quoting Palin the Quitter?

Figures.

You’re an idiot like her and a disgusting traitor and coward. You wouldn’t know a fact if it bit you on the ass and you bled out from the wound.

Hey, Pie, you sound like such a jerk that I just laugh when I read your
goofy posts.

Clearly, you are an Obama Arsch-Lecker, so here is a very special video you
will enjoy!!

Title: “I’ve Got a Crush on Obama!”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKsoXHYICqU

The man is a clueless, dishonest idiot who LOVES mindless lemmings like you
to support him. Question: if he has nothing to hide, then WHAT do you
suppose he IS hiding by concealing his birth certificate, passport records,
three college transcripts, medical records, social security number
application (for any of the 39 numbers that the fraud uses), etc.?? C’mon,
take a guess, Pie! It’ll be fun to guess about the treason and theft and
fraud that the putative prez is commiting, don’t you think? :) :)

Much Love,
Your BFF, Anita Dunnce

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Wow, Pie, my BFF:

So you think that makes a person a “racist” because he/she expects to see
the docs on the imposter who cheated and lied his worthless self right into
the most powerful position in the western world? Why don’t you get yourself
a dictionary and look up the word “racist” before you make such ridiculous
accusations?

Oh, wait just a doggone minute! Are you one of the mindless black guys from
Chicago who voted for the putative prez JUST BECAUSE OF HIS COLOR, and for
no other reason? Hey, that makes YOU the flippin’ RACIST.

By the way, Pie, smarten up! Yes, John McCain turned over all of those
records….. 100′s of pages of medical docs….. also there were protracted
hearings about whether he was a natural born citizen (which your favorite
freak, Barack Obama, is NOT) just because McCain was born of TWO American
parents on an American military base overseas.

By the way, I love Oprah and would love to see the White House tour this
weekend, but I will NOT watch it, because I will vomit all over my living
room if I have to look at the Imposter who occupies the Oval Office and
Michelle, My Belle…. gag me with a fork…. I will not be able to watch
the show, but you will be clued to the telly to watch Obama, your
Man-Crush. Enjoy! He will not be president much longer, because the
clueless fraud will NOT be able to dupe the people (the smart ones, that
is…. not you….. you lemmings WILL be duped again. I feel so sorry for
you for being so stupid) to get elected a second time.

Obama got elected on his fake promise to end the war in Iraq. Has he done
that? Huh, Pie? Has you man accomplished ONE stinking thing that his
big-toothed, phony grin promised? No, he has not.

Anita Dunnce
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You say you are not Orly but you sound like Orly, you make the same claims that Orly makes and you truly don't sound like anyone with a law degree. If you are indeed an attorney, then you would know that some unproven claims made by someone who used a site anyone who wants to pay for the information. Information is notoriously inaccurate from such sites and it would not stand up in a court of law. It is information gleaned from various places and entered into a hodgepodge data base that is more often than not incorrect. The info I saw was from such data that can easily be wrong due to a common typo. The SS# had one digit different than one that would be issued in Hawaii. And no, I am not claiming the SS office in Hawaii made a mistake, I'm saying someone entering information into a database was wrong. The president has only known life in the United States except for a few brief years when he was a very young child. There is absolutely no reason to say he has any allegiance to any country other than the United States. He is not a Muslim, though the Muslim religion in itself is not a bad religion, it is only those extremists who make it something it is not intended to be. Kind of like those “Christians” who were praying for President Obama's death.

I see nothing suspicious in the person responsible for attacks in New York being tried in New York. I think the Attorney General has already demonstrated he is independent of the administration, so I don't question his motives. My suspicions about you grew though, because you said New York has not executed anyone since the 1960's. New York won't be trying the defendants. The feds will be and they do execute. Remember McVeigh? A real attorney would know that the venue is New York but the courts are federal and therefore has nothing to do with whether New York has executed anyone.

Your entire argument is Orlyesque and has no basis in fact. Additionally, I believe the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, even though I don't agree with him on several issues, would not violate his oath of office by not upholding the Constitution if he thought it was being violated and agreed with you that the president has to have 2 citizen parents to be eligible. A large majority of legal scholars, judges, elected representatives and citizens of these United States don't believe it either. Especially all those who voted for President Obama.

One more thing Anita Dunce- the oft declared claim about how much money the president has spent “sealing” his records has been around awhile. When I asked one of compatriots to prove it- I was directed to the financial records of the Democratic National Committee that shows a very large law firm that handles all kinds of law issues and business – receiving payment from the committee in each quarters filing. No explanation for the expenditure is required in the filing, but your buds immediately jump to the assumption that the entire Democratic National Committee has absolutely no reason to employ a law firm. I would say that is a real big stretch. This law firm handles financials, it handles vetting, it handles law for complaints to FCC and election related complaints and so very much more. Why would the fact that the firm is employed by the committee automatically prove they are sealing Obama's records? It is nothing but wishful thinking and assumptions by a bunch of asses. Proves nothing. Of course, if you were a real attorney you would have verified/disproved these claims as I (and Bearclaw and others) have done. You are falsely claiming to be an attorney. If this were anything other than a web page you could get in trouble for making such a claim. Your ignorance of law proves you aren't an attorney.

I still can't get over your claim that the trial is being held in New York because New York hasn't executed anyone since the 60's when this is a federal case and makes no difference as far a venue to the punishment that is possible. The feds have no qualms about carrying out the death penalty. This bogus claim is being bandied about by fools who also have no knowledge of law and who are trying to find some ulterior motive for the attorney generals decision- like trying to attribute it to the president. Sorry- you lose.

As to your castigating others who have called you names like fool (among others), haven't you heard- it's better to be thought a fool then to open your mouth and prove it? Your fingers took the place of your mouth on this site.

I am also amazed that people can declare what a person was thinking when they have absolutely no way of being in that persons brain. You have no way of knowing whether the president “regretted what he said” or got a sudden case of heart burn or had to pee. You are once again making assumptions and you know what that says about you.

You also have absolutely NO evidence that the president has anything other than an American passport. He would have had to have that in place BEFORE he ever went to Indonesia as a boy of 6. Why would anyone change what was already in place when he was never a citizen of Indonesia? He only lived there 4 short years. A US passport is valid more years than he was there. You ARE what rhymes with tool and starts with an f.
And I am probably older than you are and would not automatically discount what another person says based on whether I believe a person is younger. I would base it on what they actually say.

We know the president has an American passport or else there would not have been a passport file for several someones to illegally access at the passport office.

As far as Hillary goes, she evidently didn’t have enough of a problem with Barack’s’ “attitude” to say no to being his Secretary of State and helping to get him elected.

Don't have a JD and never claimed I did. I also don't practice law, so one isn't necessary.

Have you figured out how to turn off comments yet?

Unlike Orly Taitz, I’ve never committed adultery.

Have you figured out how to shut off comments yet?

Don't have a JD and never claimed I did. I also don't practice law, so one isn't necessary.

Have you figured out how to turn off comments yet?

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 Dr. Jerome Corsi: Obama’s birth certificate is 100% forged; Inside sources say Hawaii made Obama’s forged Certificate of Live Birth and placed it in the Hawaii DOH book. The interview was on the Peter Boyles show and aired on 5/18/11 PLEASE contact your Congressman and DEMAND Obama be impeached & removed from office NOW. Obama is an illegal traitorous felon and must go now. For the love of God we must rid our nation of this evil man.

Are you crackpots still at it? You have been utterly discredited at every turn, and still you plod on? Amazing.

Your hero, Orly Taitz DDS, has lost EVERY case she has brought in this matter. Your latest hero, Donald (The Donald) Trump claimed that he sent his ‘investigators’ to Hawaii, and that they ‘couldn’t believe what they found’ — and promised to release their ‘findings’. 

More than two months later his ‘investigators’ have disappeared. Nothing has been released, The Donald has quit his publicity stunt, and now you are relying on noted draft dodger Jerome Corsi to bail you out of your obsession.

“Inside sources”, you say. Is that the best you can do?

“Inside sources” tell us that you are a loon.

For the love of God, it would be best if you returned to the home and stopped listening to those peculiar voices in your head. You birthers and after-birthers have no idea how ridiculous you are in the eyes of REAL Americans. Semper Fi!

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