Declassified Docs Reveal Pentagon Ignored FBI’s Warnings on Abusive Interrogations

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Saturday, November 07, 2009 at 7:05 pm

The Justice Department released more documents — or, at least, less-redacted documents — late Friday to the American Civil Liberties Union as part of the government’s obligation in a pending Freedom of Information Act lawsuit.

These latest documents provide a glimpse of the early struggles between the FBI and the Pentagon over just how to conduct the “war on terror” and how to interrogate and treat that war’s detainees. Sadly, they reveal that the FBI knew perfectly well — and repeatedly warned Defense Department officials, as well as Justice Department lawyers — that the abusive interrogation techniques being used on detainees at Guantanamo Bay were likely to be ineffective and make subsequent prosecutions impossible.

As one memo says, while the interrogation techniques based on tactics used in the U.S. Army Search, Escape, Resistance and Evasion (SERE) training “may be effective in eliciting tactical intelligence in a battlefield context, the reliability of information obtained using such tactics is highly questionable, not to mention potentially legally inadmissible in court.”

That memo was written in May 2003.  The “enhanced” interrogation techniques, such as stress positions and prolonged sleep deprivation, were still being used and justified in memos as late as July 2007. The memo raises several important questions. Did the Office of Legal Counsel lawyers drafting those later memos for the CIA not know about the FBI’s earlier objections? Or did they just dismiss them out of hand? Were they told to ignore those earlier conclusions?

Then there’s the fact that senior officials from the Criminal Investigative Task Force, including the chief psychologist with the Naval Criminal Investigative Service “repeatedly argued for implementation of a rapport-based approach” and “lamented the fact that many DHS [Defense Human Intelligence Services] interrogators seem to believe that the only way to elicit information from uncooperative detainees is to use aggressive techniques on them.”

“Despite objections raised by the [Behavioral Analysis Unit of the FBI], the DHS initiated an aggressive interrogation plan for #63,” who elsewhere in the document is identified as Mohammed al-Qatani. “This plan incorporated a confusing array of physical and psychological stressors which were designed, presumably, to elicit #63′s cooperation. Needless to say, this plan was eventually abandoned when the DHS realized it was not working and when #63 had to be hospitalized briefly.”

Officials from the Criminal Investigative Task Force and the Behavioral Analysis Unit drafted a letter “reiterating the strengths of the FBI/CITF approach” and providing “a detailed historical record of the development of interagency policies regarding aggressive interrogation techniques in GTMO.” The letter also argued that they were a bad idea.

Not only did the officials not succeed in convincing DHS to abandon the techniques, but the document described how the military and DHS inaccurately portrayed to the Pentagon that the FBI’s Behavioral Analysis Unit approved of and helped design the very techniques that the BAU warned would backfire.

Although we knew before that the FBI had disagreed with the so-called “enhanced” interrogation techniques and refused to participate in them, this latest release of previously classified information reveals the extent to which FBI officials made both the legal and practical case to senior Pentagon and Justice Department officials for why the usual rules on interrogations should be followed.

That they were so blatantly ignored suggests more than just bad judgment. It suggests a deliberate indifference to the facts and the law, which cries out for a more thorough investigation.

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Comment posted November 8, 2009 @ 1:18 am

Or course they ignored the FBI. The FBI was assuming that the military and the CIA were using these techniques against terror suspects in order to glean intelligence to “save American” lives.

That isn't the case. Governments rarely, if ever, use torture as an intelligence gathering technique. Torture is used to elicit false confessions to justify a pre-formulated policy.

The “Techniques” the US copied from the Soviet Union were invented to get false confessions- never the truth.

And we know have accusations that Cheney ordered torture of suspects to get them to tie Iraq to Al Qaeda- and not to “save lives”.

And just recently the former UK ambassador to Uzbekistan made similiar charges against the US- that they renditioned suspects to Uzbekistan in order to get false confessions to membership in “Al Qaeda” to exaggerate its size and power in order to mask wars of imperial aggression as a fight against “terrorism”.

Torture is never used in “good faith”. It is used by evil people for evil ends.

The CIA and Pentagon ignored the FBI because they knew what the torture was being used for- and it was never to get intel- it was to get false confessions out of innocent people to justify criminal wars of aggression. The US government is loaded with war criminals and moral degenerates from top to bottom.


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lighthouse6
Comment posted November 8, 2009 @ 6:41 pm

The President's statement about the health care reform being passed in the midnight hour (November 7) has left a question mark?
Statements that raise a question mark!
Moments like this are why they sent us here,”
The verbage by the President using the word “THEY” makes a reference to anyone or anything—-Obama didn't personalize the statement–Obama didn't mention the American people. So who are they? Well, Pakistan showed their country stomping on the flag–saying–OBAMA YOU ARE EITHER FOR US OR AGAINST US!

Upon Obama's statement regarding Ft. Hood, Obama spoke as a third party person. He said: “when your Government lets our Government know the facts”.
Obama has made a division why else would he refer to YOUR GOVT and LET MY GOVT know the details.

Obama has changed himself. Obama is more un-American than what we thought! I don't ever recall a Commander-in-Chief speak like this———–

Obama didn't bring it personal on the health care reform! Instead Obama used “THEY” which means any group–from any region–around the World!!

I am not against Obama! Obama and his wife are really a cute couple.

But when it comes to politics—-HE SPEAKS WORLDWIDE!

Obama said on 60 minutes–when the Health Care Refom passes–I WILL OWN IT!

Obama said on 60 Minutes 09-13-09—when asked how to cut the medical cost–Obama clearly said: “if someone has insurance and it isn't making them healthier–he would take those monies and give it to someone that it will help!

It is a crucial time around the world—releasing classified documents without releasing the results of the information obtained–is a ONE SIDED view which isn't fair to the Americans who were doing the interrogation!

When this Administration is wanting to destroy and constantly remind our enemies of the interrogation process–HE IS PUTTING OUR TROOPS IN DANGER!

When he won't send more troops into Afghanistan (when his focus during the Presidential Campaign was all about Afghanistan) leaving 68,000 troops by themselves is not fair–it isn't acceptable!

Great Britain is pulling out–the Government is unstable and they faced reality–this region's turmoil has always existed. Great Britain said: “I won't waste the blood of any more troops in that region!”

Nato is pulling out!

Obama can't make a decision about anything except the health care of Americans. Wanting all medical data under the White House domain–the diagnosis of every American–and the prognosis–of every American.

Yet-when it comes to our troops—68,000 coud be left without any help—or CALLING OUR TROOPS HOME!

I question Homeland Security (Janet Napolitano) first statement upon taking office under Obama–declared–RETURNING TROOPS NATIONAL SECURITY THREAT–might recruit in America to over throw the Government. This clearly shows she doesn't want to have to deal with our troops!

This is a farce—we need our TROOPS HOME–WE NEED TO DECLARE LIKE GREAT BRITAIN–HE WASN'T GOING TO WASTE ANY MORE OF HIS TROOPS BLOOD IN AFGHANISTAN!

Also—today (Sunday–Nov.8)—-2 American soldiers died—their SUPPLIES (that feeds them–takes care of them) had landed in a river. The current was too strong and they went under.

Men striving to survive–had to risk their lives trying to get their supplies!

BRING OUR TROOPS HOME! DEMAND IT_DECLARE IT!

Obama has yet to go to Ft. Hood to speak with our military and the military families. Because HEALTH CARE IS THE ONLY THING THAT MATTERED!

WAKE UP AMERICA!

OUR TROOPS NEED YOUR HELP!


johnhkennedy
Comment posted November 9, 2009 @ 4:24 pm

Chris Dowd is right “The CIA and Pentagon ignored the FBI because they knew what the torture was being used for- and it was never to get intel- it was to get false confessions out of innocent people to justify criminal wars of aggression”
to Invade Iraq using the False WMD LIES to get Congress to go along.

Shouldn't we voters be able to trust our Presidents not to lie to Congress??

Keep asking ALL politicians at ALL public events “Why do they support Torture?” If they aren't actively calling for enforcement of our Federal Torture Laws They Support Torture.

Torture is a serious violations of Federal Law. Surely our Congressmen are for enforcement of Federal Law?

SIGN THE PETITIONS
Demanding both a Commission of Inquiry
and Prosecution for All the Bush-Cheney Crimes at

http://ANGRYVOTERS.ORG

Only Prosecution Stops Torture!
Only Prosecution Stops Violations of Our Constitution and Rule Of Law.


johnhkennedy
Comment posted November 9, 2009 @ 9:24 pm

Chris Dowd is right “The CIA and Pentagon ignored the FBI because they knew what the torture was being used for- and it was never to get intel- it was to get false confessions out of innocent people to justify criminal wars of aggression”
to Invade Iraq using the False WMD LIES to get Congress to go along.

Shouldn't we voters be able to trust our Presidents not to lie to Congress??

Keep asking ALL politicians at ALL public events “Why do they support Torture?” If they aren't actively calling for enforcement of our Federal Torture Laws They Support Torture.

Torture is a serious violations of Federal Law. Surely our Congressmen are for enforcement of Federal Law?

SIGN THE PETITIONS
Demanding both a Commission of Inquiry
and Prosecution for All the Bush-Cheney Crimes at

http://ANGRYVOTERS.ORG

Only Prosecution Stops Torture!
Only Prosecution Stops Violations of Our Constitution and Rule Of Law.


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