Possible GOP Candidate: Ft. Hood Shootings Prove ‘The Enemy Is Infiltrating Our Military’

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Friday, November 06, 2009 at 1:40 pm

The Hill reports that Allen West, a former Army lieutenant colonel promoted by the National Republican Congressional Committee as one of its “young guns,” has come to some conclusions about the meaning of Maj. Hasan’s murders at Ft. Hood:

“This enemy preys on downtrodden soldiers and teaches them extremism will lift them up,” West said in a statement. “Our soldiers are being brainwashed.”

The release added that West claims “the horrible tragedy at Fort Hood is proof the enemy is infiltrating our military.”

This is further out there than even Fox host Brian Kilmeade’s slanders on Muslim U.S. soldiers. We don’t know what Hasan’s motivations actually were, let alone that he’s a symptom of “the enemy” “infiltrating” the military. Hasan, it’s worth remembering, joined the Army in 1995, even before Osama bin Laden had declared war on America.

But this is perhaps typical of West’s reasoning, as he was disciplined in the Army in Iraq for actually firing his weapon near a detainee’s head during an interrogation, which is typically a crime. CNN:

In testimony at an Article 32 hearing — the military’s version of a grand jury or preliminary hearing — West said the policeman, Yahya Jhrodi Hamoody, was not cooperating with interrogators, so he watched four of his soldiers from the 220th Field Artillery Battalion beat the detainee on the head and body.

West said he also threatened to kill Hamoody. Military prosecutors say West followed up on that threat by taking the suspect outside, put him on the ground near a weapons clearing barrel and fired his 9 mm pistol into the barrel.

To make a point no one should have to make: earlier this year, a deranged Army sergeant named John Russell opened fire near a combat stress clinic — sound familiar? — at Baghdad’s Camp Liberty and killed five of his fellow soldiers. No one speculated about any religious motivations. No one suggested he was part of an enemy “infiltration,” or suggested that U.S. troops have been “brainwashed.” Everyone understood that Russell was a deranged lunatic, not an advance scout for a conspiracy to subvert the military internally. It’s funny how double standards work.

Actually, no. It’s disgusting.

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chrisjay
Comment posted November 6, 2009 @ 2:34 pm

There have been scores of military shootings since the Iraq & Afgh wars began; funny how these crackers wait patiently until a shooter emerges with a non-Anglo surname before they launch their scurrilous recriminations
typical


brendanm
Comment posted November 6, 2009 @ 2:47 pm

What's the over/under on when someone links Hasan to ACORN?


brendanm
Comment posted November 6, 2009 @ 2:55 pm

West is an expert at recognizing the enemy within, as evidenced by his brilliant evasion of an Al Jazeera kidnapping attempt.


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Rick
Comment posted November 6, 2009 @ 4:42 pm

I wonder if John Russell was shouting “Allahu Akbar!” when he fired his shots. Typical Liberal derangement syndrome. Find a similar example of an incident to disprove the obvious. This radicalized Muslim man was under surveillance for praising suicide bombers and criticizing American foreign policy. He gave away his possessions before going on his rampage. He clearly did not snap, he premeditated this act of terrorism. Stay in denial if it allows you remain in hiding. Spencer Ackerman refuses to acknowledge the obvious because that would require him to stand up and act like a Man and defend his country, honor and family. He is incapable of doing this and to make it worse, he heeps insults on a real Man and hero that has already proven he is willing to fight for his country and for the freedom of cowards like Ackerman to publicly air their manly shortcomings.


netboyrick
Comment posted November 6, 2009 @ 4:48 pm

I wonder if John Russell was shouting “Allahu Akbar!” when he fired his shots. Typical Liberal derangement syndrome. Find a similar example of an incident to disprove the obvious. This radicalized Muslim man was under surveillance for praising suicide bombers and criticizing American foreign policy. He gave away his possessions before going on his rampage. He clearly did not snap, he premeditated this act of terrorism. Stay in denial if it allows you remain in hiding. Spencer Ackerman refuses to acknowledge the obvious because that would require him to stand up and act like a Man and defend his country, honor and family. He is incapable of doing this and to make it worse, he heeps insults on a real Man and hero that has already proven he is willing to fight for his country and for the freedom of cowards like Ackerman to publicly air their manly shortcomings.


netboyrick
Comment posted November 6, 2009 @ 4:56 pm

I wonder if John Russell was shouting “Allahu Akbar!” when he fired his shots. Typical Liberal derangement syndrome. Find a similar example of an incident to disprove the obvious. This radicalized Muslim man was under surveillance for praising suicide bombers and criticizing American foreign policy. He gave away his possessions before going on his rampage. He clearly did not snap, he premeditated this act of terrorism. Stay in denial if it allows you remain in hiding. Spencer Ackerman refuses to acknowledge the obvious because that would require him to stand up and act like a Man and defend his country, honor and family. He is incapable of doing this and to make it worse, he heeps insults on a real Man and hero that has already proven he is willing to fight for his country and for the freedom of cowards like Ackerman to publicly air their manly shortcomings.


chrisfrenzy
Comment posted November 6, 2009 @ 4:57 pm

So the fact that Timothy McVeigh was a Christian means…

Clearly the real problem is that there just aren't enough guns in this country.

[sigh.]


netboyrick
Comment posted November 6, 2009 @ 5:11 pm

There certainly weren't enough guns at Ft. Hood or this terrorist would not have gotten off more than a shot or two. “TMac was a Christian means”….Very true. It has no relevance because the Christian religion does not teach it's followers to kill anyone that does not follow Jesus. Also, there is not a world wide radical Christian movement that has declared war on the rest of civilization. Anyone with even the slightest amount of reasoning ability would be able to see the distinction between the two religions. Politically corrected zombies have had that intellectual power taken away from them and must see everything and everyone as the same. This is a mental illness of course and a terrible loss of an invaluable survival skill. Imagine if an African gazelle viewed a lion as the same thing as a field mouse. My guess is a very short lifespan.


chrisfrenzy
Comment posted November 6, 2009 @ 5:12 pm

I live in Virginia and am familiar with Hasan's family. It is extremely improbable that Hasan is a radicalized Muslim. More likely he has undiagnosed bipolar disorder and is ultimately a deeply troubled individual. That's the typical diagnosis for people who carrying out this sort of act.

Most shooting rampages are premeditated and have some delusional religious or cultural pretext. Perpetrators often claim that “God told them to do it.” A lot of them are referring to the Christian God — like the man who shot up the Amish church school a few years ago.

Though I don't know enough about the situation to draw ANY conclusions [nor do you, netboyrick], it is safe to say that Hasan's remarks praising suicide bombers and shouting “Allahu Akbar” are merely manifestations of a psychological disorder present in a devout Muslim. Were he Christian, I doubt you'd claim that Christians had infiltrated the military. You'd say he was crazy.

And you'd be much closer to the truth.


netboyrick
Comment posted November 6, 2009 @ 5:17 pm

I guess that chrisfrenzy would also say that the 19 hijackers were all bipolar. How about the hooded murderers that chopped of the heads of Byrd and Pearl? Perhaps if we had just put them on Prozac, those two men would still have their heads attached. I think the sufferer of mental disorder here is chrisfrenzy who seems unusually determined to deny reality. I don't know what amount of electro shock therapy is necessary to wake you up sir but you inability to accept the truth puts all of us in danger.


chrisfrenzy
Comment posted November 6, 2009 @ 5:19 pm

I'd say there were two too many guns at Fort Hood yesterday. Also, it's ironic that apparently several people were injured by friendly fire.

Meanwhile, what exactly was the purpose of the Crusades?

And wow, it took you two short sentences to diagnose that I suffer from a mental illness. I understand there's a position open in Iraq for a psychiatrist. You should apply.


chrisfrenzy
Comment posted November 6, 2009 @ 5:20 pm

You're an imbecile. And I'm done.


netboyrick
Comment posted November 6, 2009 @ 5:24 pm

When it's that obvious, you don't need a degree. Not even a good night's sleep at a Holiday Inn Express!!
Shame you have to go all the way back to the Crusades to bash Christians. You make my point perfectly, thank you. The Christian religion went through it's reformation. Islam has not.


netboyrick
Comment posted November 6, 2009 @ 5:28 pm

You were done by the end of your first sentence. Typical mindless chatter box. As soon as your indefensible logic is challenged and proven to be fatally flawed, you run. I cannot tell you how happy I am that man of courage and honor, Allen West, is running for office and will challenge men of weakness and small minds like yourself. To see a real hero: http://www.allenwestforcongress.com


republicanstupidity
Comment posted November 6, 2009 @ 6:07 pm

You are part of the problem asshole


republicanstupidity
Comment posted November 6, 2009 @ 6:10 pm

Look at it from thier pont of view asshole, someone comes to your land shoot your kids stal your home and tries to tell you do do this do as I say what would be the end result? You are pathetic grow a set of ball billy bad ass go show us all whta type of man you are.. here kity kitty kityy


strangely_enough
Comment posted November 6, 2009 @ 6:11 pm

When is Beck back?


netboyrick
Comment posted November 6, 2009 @ 6:11 pm

Brilliant retort!!! I concede. I am wrong!!! Wow, thank you for pointing out the error of my ways!!
hahahahaha……………..


netboyrick
Comment posted November 6, 2009 @ 6:13 pm

Hmm…..Let me try that mental exercise…..Okay, 19 Islamic radicals come to my land, kill my fellow citizens and say that if I don't submit to their way of life, they will continue killing and destroying. Yep, it's as clear as a bell now.


strangely_enough
Comment posted November 6, 2009 @ 6:16 pm

More likely that it's impossible to argue with someone who refuses to give up their justification for prejudice.


netboyrick
Comment posted November 6, 2009 @ 6:26 pm

If pointing out the obvious truth is enough to label me a bigot, then so be it. I would rather live with your false labels than die because I feared your sad , weak, condemnation. You can only hide behind your political correctness for so long. Self righteousness will not save your neck from being severed.


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jtfdotorg
Comment posted November 6, 2009 @ 10:58 pm

We need to stop Muslim immigration into the country now.


fl22
Comment posted November 7, 2009 @ 10:31 am

NBR you're right on! Voting for Allen West in FL22, and taking my country back!


chrisfrenzy
Comment posted November 7, 2009 @ 11:11 am

OK, while you're “trying” a mental exercise, try this one: 19 terrorists, none with any connection to Iraq, attack the United States. So, we attack Iraq, who had nothing to do with the attacks on us, in order to “protect our freedom.” In the process, we kill at the very least more than 100,000 innocent Iraqi civilians in order to “bring democracy” to the Middle East. Now, who is trying to force whom to submit to their way of life?

The problem is that you, like so many arch conservatives, are completely incapable of looking at reality by any other means than through a prism of xenophobic nationalism. As an authoritarian follower, you've chosen the lies you want to believe. Democracy and free will are a complete waste on you.

The sad thing is you don't even know it.


brendanm
Comment posted November 7, 2009 @ 11:40 am

How does disgraced criminal and crazy-person Allen West have “honor?” Is torture now considered “courageous” amongst you sick fucks?


netboyrick
Comment posted November 7, 2009 @ 11:44 am

He does not have a criminal record, is obviously more sane than you. Torture??? You need to get your facts straight. He fired a pistol over the head of a detainee in order to extract information on an impending attack upon the men he was in charge of . The info was extracted, attack thwarted and countless American lives saved. The great commander in chief (hah) GW honored that service by bringing charges against him. 22 years in the military putting his life on the line for ingrates like you is more than courageous.


brendanm
Comment posted November 7, 2009 @ 11:45 am

Clearly, bigotry and racism can make people very dumb. netboyrick is a case in point.

Of course, the Lord's Resistance Army doesn't count, 'cause they're secret Muslins like NObama…


netboyrick
Comment posted November 7, 2009 @ 11:50 am

brendanm, is that how you approach all your debates? Throw out some insults, slap buzzword labels on your opponent and then declare victory? Hold on a minute………That's Oxford calling, they want to know if brendanm can join their team!! hahaha….


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chrisjay
Comment posted November 7, 2009 @ 12:55 pm

Just another deranged gun-nut, this one with a non-anglo surname. You are a bigot, and your sanctimony doesn't change that one iota.


Mallarde
Comment posted November 7, 2009 @ 2:00 pm

The differences between crazy “crackers” that commit mass murder and Muslim extremists that commit mass murder are: (1) Muslims commit mass murder in far greater proportion to their population and (2) our government allows them to enter our country when they have no right to be here. In other words, we can easily prevent the growth of these types of crimes by stopping Muslim immigration.

Until someone can explain why we should allow a population that is by and large hostile to settle in the U.S., I suggest we stop allowing them to come here.


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republicanstupidity
Comment posted November 8, 2009 @ 11:22 pm

Your land?? Who died and left your stupid ass the deed???


netboyrick
Comment posted November 9, 2009 @ 8:10 am

I happen to be a natural born citizen. The United States of America is my land and I'm damn proud of that. Maybe you are from another country and don't consider this to be your country. Once again, you have intentionally ignored the main point of my comment and focused (improperly) on something else. If you cannot intellectually debate this than I suggest you say nothing at all. Better to remain silent and have people “think” you are ignorant than to speak and have people “know” that you are ignorant.


chrisjay
Comment posted November 9, 2009 @ 11:39 am

Listening to a religious bigot talk about mental illness is quite surreal:
netboy is truly irony-challenged


netboyrick
Comment posted November 9, 2009 @ 11:42 am

I guess the new definition of bigotry is to point out the obvious. If I were to label chrisjay a moron for not addressing my argument and resorting to meaningless insults, that must make me Archie Bunker.


chrisjay
Comment posted November 10, 2009 @ 2:54 pm

what a thin-skinned twerp: calls those with whom he disagrees 'zombies' and mentally ill, then accuses ME of resorting to meaningless insults LOL


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Comment posted December 10, 2009 @ 10:27 pm

netboy you are right in everything you say. Some people just cant see the obvious.


GOPISBOSS
Comment posted December 31, 2009 @ 12:04 am

well, in 1990 when American troops set foot in the Islamic Holy land of saudi arabia, Osama was angered by this and thought that the ” infidels” were invading a muslim nation. stating that once the Americans set foot they will never leave. some time passed and Osama created al -quida ( the base) funding it with the millions of dollars he is worth. Al quisa is nothing more than a group of like minded TERRORISTS ( any group or person that uses threats coertion or violence to attain goals that are political or religious). In 1993 in somalia ( east africa) al quida gave weapons and funding to adids malitia, when the US pulled out because of waining popularity and public outcry, after losses were taken in the battle of mogadishu. Osama said that America was a paper tiger with no taste for war. all of this well before the 1995 enlistment date of mr. hassan. and furthermore between 1979 and 1995 there were 16 major reported incidents of Islamic terrorist attacks against the US. or its interests. http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0001454.html. so i guess your article has a few flaws. And as far as reporting on Lt Col wests actions of firing a weapon into a barrel and making a terrorist crap his pants, So what. its called war, its ugly, nasty and brutal. look at what Muslim terrorists do to Americans who they capture, ask the family og someone taken, the vidio shows up on Al jazera.One who i will not name ( his family has been through enough) I remember him crying out in his last gurgling breath, as his head was sawed off while they danced and chatted ” allah u akbar” and you think what west has done was cruel?


GOPISBOSS
Comment posted December 31, 2009 @ 5:04 am

well, in 1990 when American troops set foot in the Islamic Holy land of saudi arabia, Osama was angered by this and thought that the ” infidels” were invading a muslim nation. stating that once the Americans set foot they will never leave. some time passed and Osama created al -quida ( the base) funding it with the millions of dollars he is worth. Al quisa is nothing more than a group of like minded TERRORISTS ( any group or person that uses threats coertion or violence to attain goals that are political or religious). In 1993 in somalia ( east africa) al quida gave weapons and funding to adids malitia, when the US pulled out because of waining popularity and public outcry, after losses were taken in the battle of mogadishu. Osama said that America was a paper tiger with no taste for war. all of this well before the 1995 enlistment date of mr. hassan. and furthermore between 1979 and 1995 there were 16 major reported incidents of Islamic terrorist attacks against the US. or its interests. http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0001454.html. so i guess your article has a few flaws. And as far as reporting on Lt Col wests actions of firing a weapon into a barrel and making a terrorist crap his pants, So what. its called war, its ugly, nasty and brutal. look at what Muslim terrorists do to Americans who they capture, ask the family og someone taken, the vidio shows up on Al jazera.One who i will not name ( his family has been through enough) I remember him crying out in his last gurgling breath, as his head was sawed off while they danced and chatted ” allah u akbar” and you think what west has done was cruel?


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