Orly Taitz, Master Attorney

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Sirhan Sirhan, Robert Kennedy's assassin, petitioned the court to be released.
Mr. Sirhan told the judge that Bobby would have testified in favor of Mr. Sirhan's release.
Not that I think there is any connection between these two legal scholars…

Behold the last best hope for racist crackers across the country.

Wile E. Coyote, Esq.

Those guys over at PolitJab suck big time. Some AXJ members posted some articles and comments and they were first censored and then banned. The only thing posted were the 2004 newspaper articles proving Obama was born in Kenya. Guess now we know why.

“2004 newspaper articles proving Obama was born in Kenya.”

Seek help.

OK, now if you blowers say she did a good job arguing her case…Kreep at least made some halfway decent arguments. This is going nowhere, just a matter of how hard Judge wants to smack down Orly. Wouldn't it be funny if he's holding onto his ruling until Orly pays the $20 grand she owes? BWAHAHAHAHAHA

I just read the transcript, start to finish. I think Orly Taitz suffers from attention deficit disorder. Seriously — she can't get a coherent thought out. She keeps heading off on tangents.

Gary Kreep was a little bit better, but he arrived at 9:30 a.m. for a hearing that began at 8:38 a.m. Ouch! That's a bit embarrassing. Gary — buy yourself a new watch, why don't you?

Pretty clear that Judge Carter is going to dismiss any claims by plaintiffs in military service — we'll see about the political candidates, but it is going to be very hard for a candidate to demonstrate “injury in fact” when they weren't on enough ballots nationwide to be able to get 270 electors.

It will be an interesting opinion to read.

1961 newspaper “vital statistics” from Hawaii Dep't of Health proving he was born in Honolulu. Swish! Nothing but net!

AXJ is not a birther and just a simple news publication looking for the truth.

The first document they found was a nude pic of Stanley Ann Dunham on a beach in summer of 1961 but she was not pregnant? Red flag.

1964 divorce documents not based on a marriage certificate. Father never paid child support, negated ever having a son, no birth certificate on file? Another red flag

1980 divorce documents and 2009 statements by State Department (ie Hillary Clinton) claim Lolo Soetoro had no relation to Obama. Another red flag.

Fake pics all photoshopped on the internet. Why? Another red flag.

2009 First Executive Order to seal all documents. Final red flag.

Think Judge Carter has already decided to this case to go to trial on the merits.

AXJ: “Think Judge Carter has already decided to this case to go to trial on the merits.”

Oh, he's decided…another beatdown in the making. Of course, you didn't get a single thing correct in your list, so that's no surprise. Maybe you should pay Orly's $20,000 bill so the Judge will release the ruling for you…might as well have you pay for the bad news!

“AXJ is not a birther and just a simple news publication looking for the truth.” The issues that AXJ continue to push and cover relates to Obama birth certificate. With no facts to support their position or use disjoint logic to distort the facts.

Case in point their “Red flag”

- A nude picture??? What is with that. Also, AXJ tries to suggest a picture as a document. This seems as another attempt by AXJ and their fellow birthers to spread doubt. However, we have seen pictures of the child and mother, with the child resembling his mother.

- Seen a divorce documents??? The distortions in facts are obvious, as there are obvious problems with this claim.

- pics all photoshopped??? Conjecture and unrelated. Yes, there was a picture of a fashion model that was poorly edited that it was obvious that it was edited. Also, what does photoshopdisasters.blogspot.com have to do with birthers position.

- Executive Order? Utter nonsense.

Looking for the truth. No AXJ refuses to accept the facts, and other through observing the facts can it be possible to find the truth.

P.S. before this comment no one suggested that AXJ was a birther. However, I am glad someone did.

AXJ: “Think Judge Carter has already decided to this case to go to trial on the merits.”

That is just a distortion on the facts. A trail date has been set, however the judge is hearing arguments on whether the case should be dismissed.

In this specific case; this is a kin to a person who can't get security clearance being offered a job, but being required to pass security clearance before being allow to start that same job. It happens when a trail date has been set, and the case gets dismissed for lack of merit. However, AXJ can't grasp this simple concept.

Wile E. Coyote, Sooooooopah Genius!

AXJ is not a birther.
…simple news publication…
…looking for the truth.

Really.

Don't underestimate Dr. Orly she has a brilliant mind. It doesn't matter where O was born he is not Constitutionally eligable to be POTUS, and we all know this. Why would he spend 1.4 million to fight the lawsuits? Where are the credientials? Be wise and discerning.

Carmen has lost his mind. According to him, “It doesn't matter where O was born…” Really? I thought that was the whole point of your delusional obsession.

According to you and your fellow crackpots he was born in Kenya (or Indonesia, or Zanzibar… your story keeps on changing.) Now, you seem to have conceded that he was in fact born in Hawaii, “but it doesn't matter”.

Really?? You kooks get crazier by the hour.

According to your madness, he has spent $1.4 million “to fight the lawsuits”. Really? What is your evidence for this? Your documentation? Where are your facts? Have you an ounce of proof? Where did he spend this money? On whom? On what? Do you have the invoices? The cancelled cheques? The bank statements? Anything?

Obviously not. Just like your previous laughable claim that he was born in a mosque, your claim that he has “spent millions” is utterly without corroboration, evidence or fact.

Sounds like a typical day at your office.

Refusal to accept facts, is not looking for the truth. This is called framing the truth, it is a form of deception.

“Don't underestimate Dr. Orly she has a brilliant mind.” It seems that she has lost her mind. Carmen please help her find it, now like no other time she needs it.

According to birther logic spending any money in a court case means that you are guilty or have something to hind. One has to wonder if this logic can be applied to the plaintiff. With this disjoint logic it is no wonder why some birthers believe Taitz “has a brilliant mind.”

They have no proof for the amount of money spent. They just don't understand why we believe some have lost their minds, at least on this specific issue.

“Some AXJ members posted some articles and comments and they were first censored and then banned.”

That's because the article had already been posted, researched, the original AP source, and the correction a week later published. Oh, and when can we see that missing page from the divorce decree AXJ has been promising for months?

Why was this “brilliant mind” unable to get into law school?

If so brilliant, why did she enroll in the Taft Law School, an unaccredited online outfit based in a computer in California?

If so brilliant, why could she not get into, say, Harvard Law, the same school where Mr Obama took his law degree? Is it possible she's simply too stupid to get into a real school — anywhere?

This “brilliant mind” was just required to pay $20,000 for her delusional, incompetent and frivolous lawsuits. Soon, she will be disbarred altogether. Then, the men with the nets will come to visit.

Perhaps, Miss Miranda, you will be able to claim that Mr Obama was actually born in a dental office in, oh, what the heck, Poland.

Obama has a way out of this. He could do the honorable thing and resign before any indictments making Biden the legal president. Biden could then pardon Obama of treason, falsifying documents, etc. Everybody wins except then that goofy Biden would be our prez. But oh well.
Judge sets court date in 'birther' case filed by Wiley Drake
By Bob Allen (from The Examiner)
Thursday, September 10, 2009
BUENA PARK, Calif. (ABP) — The so-called “Birthers” claimed a small victory Sept. 8 when a federal judge set a tentative trial date of Jan. 26, 2010, for a lawsuit claiming that President Obama is constitutionally ineligible for his office.
“We won again,” Wiley Drake, a former second vice president of the Southern Baptist Convention, said of the ruling by federal judge David Carter. Drake is one of several plaintiffs in the lawsuit alleging that Obama cannot hold his office because he does not meet the constitutional requirement that the president be a “natural-born” citizen.

Hey, Unread Graham: could you guys please get your act together? It's hard to keep your conspiracy tales straight.

Your pal Carmen says that “it doesn't matter” where Mr Obama was born. You say that it does, and that he was born in Kenya, and you have the forged birth certificates to prove it.

Which delusion are we supposed to believe?

Orly Taitz told me that YOU were born in Zanzibar, btw. Please prove that this calumny is not true. And where were YOU in 1990? With Glenn? Just wondering.

Good post AXJ, reading through it we can clearly see Judge Carter is a practical man and right from the get go he has West tell him how it would work in Arnold Schwarzenegger ran for President and West concedes it would end up in Court just like this case has.

At minute 08:50 West concedes this Court has Competent Jurisdiction and there would be standing. Orly has won.

At minute 08:59 Orly starts right, this is not about impeachment, that is only for an eligible candidate and legitimate President and Obama might not be. Well done.

At minute 09:00 Orly explains to Judge Carter why he has competent jurisdiction under a case of Quo Warranto. Well done.

At minute 09:03 Orly goes for the jugular and states this is a legal question of constitutional law, not a political nor congressional matter so therefore they are out and this is a Court of competent jurisdiction. Well done again.

At minute 09:00 Orly explains to Judge Carter why he has competent jurisdiction since there is no Res Judicata tried on the merits. Brilliant.

At minute 09:17 Orly explains to Judge Carter why he has competent jurisdiction under a case when there is a violation of the Constitution. Brilliant again.

At minute 09:39 Orly explains to Judge Carter that the Secretary of the State of California did not verify Obama's eligibility. This is a grave matter. Well done.

At minute 10:00 Kreep asks Judge Carter to issue the appropriate Subpoena. Well done.

At minute 10:50 Orly explains to Judge Carter how Osama Bin Laden can win a Presidential Election with the help of the King of Saudi Arabia. Sad but true.

At minute 10:55 Orly explains to Judge Carter why he has competent jurisdiction and the American People have the right to enforce the Constitution. Well done.

At minute 11:24 Kreep sums it up for Judge Carter why he has competent jurisdiction. Well done.

So you don't want people to use the n word which clearly describes you but you say cracker. Obama isn't even black you fucking idiot.

Hey I trent1280. Aka I live in a tent I am 12 with my grandman who is 80.
Keep dreaming. this peace of S''t is thrown out of office by next May.
Wanna make a bet on it.

Hey SadieF: I'd be delighted to reply, but your sub-literate English makes it impossible to follow your 'argument'. Your spelling is risible, your grammar is a mess, and your syntax is insensible. Are you drunk?

Why do you crackpots have such a difficult time writing a simple declarative sentence?

I suspect it comes down to this: you can't write clearly because you can't think clearly.

You are easy prey to every lunatic of the left or right (it makes no difference) who comes down the pike with the latest conspiracy.

You are led by lawyers who never went to law school. You can't accept the fact that America has elected a black President. Above all, you are poisoned by fear.

Grow up, man. This is America! We live in the sun, unafraid of the dark, and unafraid of you. Reptiles have no place in our politics. Get used to it.

RedGraham, do you know what the word tentative means. Two words it doesn't mean is final or permanent. Nor, does it mean fixed or settled. Please, get a dictionary and a thesaurus, but would be very useful.

What had “birthers” done that was so over the top? They asked to see Barack Obama's birth certificate, and to date, they have been denied that “crazy” request. In fact, multiple law suits have been filed across the country in numerous forms, simply seeking access to Obama's personal history, and most recently, a judge has fined one of those attorney's $20,000 for “filing frivolous law suits” on the matter.
Meanwhile, taxpayers have picked up the tab for over $1.5 MILLION in Obama legal defense fees, used to keep Obama's birth certificate, his school and college records, his passport and travel records and his law practice files Top Secret. So far, the “transparent president” is anything but “transparent.” He is the ONLY president in US history to hide his entire past. from the Give Us Liberty website Oct. 14, 2009

You forgot the part where the judge tells the birthers to stop calling him, and suggests that this behavior would reflect negatively on them.

Orly explains mean absolutely nothing. She was once asked to explain one simple thing, but instead of explaining she had a major “melt down.” Yes, she is able to discuss her disillusion, but unable to explain anything relevant.

One more thing you forgot to include the Judge stating that Orly hadn't answered his question. Yes, there are many other times when she could explain anything, However, all we have to look at the court transcript that you are reviewing to conclude Ms. Taitz is any but brilliant.

I heard that it was 3.4 millions dollars. You birthers have to get into a room together inorder to get your stories.

The judge was nice on Orly Taitz.
- Claims that a letter written by her client was forged, then latter asks the judge to be removed as counsel for that same client.
- Files a request with the courts without her client's consent.
- Files a request with the courts without a client.
- Makes wild accusations against the courts after it rules against her client.
- Can't follow a simple request to demonstrate why the court should fine her.

Honestly, that was really simple. She could have even lied, but instead she continues to engage in the above nonsense.

“He is the ONLY president in US history to hide his entire past.” What is with that comment. Birthers dispute that the president's authentic COLB is genuine. However, the displaying of his COLB disputes such a silly comment.

Many of these “multiple law suits” have been dismissed. The one that Taitz was fined is among those lawsuits that have been dismissed.

Facts:
Birth Certificate released – Birth certificates are issued by the state government.

School records are irrelevant to whether a person is qualified to hold office.

Read “The Audacity of Hope” or his other books.

Important fact. list of clients and law records are privileged information. This something held in confidence. Unless you have a good reason for accessing this information, it can't be released. A good example would be that these records are pertinent to a criminal or civil case. They have no relevant to birthers disillusion that the authenticated COLB isn't genuine.

When one distorts the facts, one has to continue to distort the facts just to support the false in their previous distortions.

When one is disillusion, one can't see that request that they are making are absurd.

Food for thought while on memory lane….

When Robert Kennedy was Attorney General, he investigated the legal status of the American Zionist Council. He proved they were receiving funds from the state of Israel. The foreign funds required the American Zionist Council to register as a foreign agent. That effort was thwarted by the Israel lobby and then by the death of President Kennedy. Concerns about the impact of Zionist influence on U.S. policy making continued to grow. By 1973, Fulbright could announce with confidence: “Israel controls the U.S. Senate.” In 1974, he lost his Senate seat.

So what happened to the American Zionist Council? They closed up shop and reopened as AIPAC. AIPAC? Isn't that the group Orly Taitz is a spokewoman for?

Small world.

Wrong, wrong, and, oh yeah, wrong. Par for the course for the Birfer circuit.

What you 'birthers' have done is waste the time and attempt to debase the dignity of our courts. What you have done is seek to use the courts as an instrument of vendetta.

What you have done is seek to subvert the necessary distance between the executive and judicial branches of our government.

Above all, what you have done is make fools of yourselves with these transparently childish attempts to subvert the results of the last election.

On top of that, you tell lies.

You write, “Meanwhile, taxpayers have picked up the tab for over $1.5 MILLION in Obama legal defense fees, used to keep Obama's birth certificate, his school and college records, his passport and travel records and his law practice files Top Secret.”

Where do you get these figures? They appear to come from 'We The People', a group whose slogan is 'This is a Republic, not a Democracy. Keep it that way'. Sound familiar? It will, to the rabid right. This was the slogan of the utterly discredited John Birch Society. SOURCE: http://www.givemeliberty.org/

These characters attempt to subvert our Constitution by assembling what they fancifully call a Continental Congress, in order to roll back the clock to the mid-19th Century. Or, mid-17th. It's hard to tell.

And, in a deeply America-hating way, they invent 'facts' and figures without any independent, objective, academically-disinterested tests of any kind.

$1.5 million, you say.

According to your madness, he has spent $1.5 million “to fight the lawsuits”. Really? What is your evidence for this? Your documentation? Where are your facts? Have you an ounce of proof? Where did he spend this money? On whom? On what? Do you have the invoices? The cancelled cheques? The bank statements? Anything?

Obviously not. Just like your previous laughable claim that he was born in a mosque, your claim that he has “spent millions” is utterly without corroboration, evidence or fact.

BTW, where were you born?

His campaign released his birth certificate last summer, which they were not required to do. It says Barack Obama was born on August 4, 1961 in Honolulu, Hawaii. The End.

Dr. Baloney, that’s the most ludicrous claim I have ever heard. Do you claim to have a Top Secret Government Clearance, or do you have Other world Telepathic Powers? Since you admit, and all of us know, that everything about Obama is sealed tight! Inquiring americans would really like to know!

Dr Maloney is absolutely correct.

This shocking truth has been confirmed by the well-known dentist Orly Taitz, Esq. She has uncovered a skein of documents that demonstrate a direct line from Hitler to Skorzeny to Prescott Bush to Bush Sr, to George W himself.

Why has this not been widely reported? Why does Obama spend MILLIONS of tax dollars to prevent this from going to court? What is the evidence he is trying to hide?

If the Bushes and Obama get their way, these shocking truths will be concealed forever. We as Americans will lose our freedoms, our liberties, our jobs and our shoes to these wicked communist-nazi Bushes and Obamas.

We demand our day in court! Many days! Years, if necessary.

Sincerely,

AJ Rocks
Private Secretary to Orly Taitz, Esq
Dentist, Realtor and Disbarred Attorney

While I've little interest in getting in the middle of the Obama birth issue, Paul Hollrah over at UTFSM did so yesterday and believes the issue can be resolved by Obama answering one simple question:

What passport did he use when he was shuttling between New York, Jakarta, and Karachi ?

So how did a young man who arrived in New York in early June 1981, without the price of a hotel room in his pocket, suddenly come up with the price of a round-the-world trip just a month later?

And once he was on a plane, shuttling between New York, Jakarta, and Karachi, what passport was he offering when he passed through Customs and Immigration?

The American people not only deserve to have answers to these questions, they must have answers. It makes the debate over Obama's citizenship a rather short and simple one.

Q: Did he travel to Pakistan in 1981, at age 20?
A : Yes, by his own admission.

Q: What passport did he travel under?
A: There are only three possibilities
1) He traveled with a U.S. Passport,
2) He traveled with a British passport, or
3) He traveled with an Indonesia passport.

Q: Is it possible that Obama traveled with a U.S. Passport in 1981?
A: No. It is not possible. Pakistan was on the U.S. State Department's “no travel” list in 1981.
Conclusion: When Obama went to Pakistan in 1981 he was traveling either with a British passport or an Indonesian passport..

If he were traveling with a British passport that would provide proof he was born in Kenya on August 4, 1961, not in Hawaii as he claims. And if he were traveling with an Indonesian passport that would tend to prove he relinquished whatever previous citizenship he held, British or American, prior to being adopted by his Indonesian step-father in 1967.

Whatever the truth of the matter, the American people need to know how he managed to become a “natural born” American citizen between 1981 and 2008..

Given the destructive nature of his plans for America, as illustrated by his speech before Congress and the disastrous spending plan he has presented to Congress, the sooner we learn the truth of all this, the better.

So, were all a bunch of “Racist Crackers.” How do you explain the fact the both Michele Obama and Barck Obama hate White People? My God! It’s in her Thesis from Princeton and at least one of his books. I Guess it’s just a “Black thing.” Stupid “Obot Troll!

If you believe bullshit like ‘the Obamas hate white people’, then you’re definitely a racist cracker.

Wow, another disillusioned birther.

“Whatever the truth of the matter, the American people need to know how he managed to become a “natural born” American citizen between 1981 and 2008.”

You have no evidence to support this conjecture, and distortions of facts.

Fact: “There was no travel ban to Pakistan in 1981.”

Stop making things up or do your own research.

Is this the same learned Dr Moses who quoted Emiliano Zapata?

You are such an ignorant boob. Do we need to remind you of your grotesque blunder on that occasion too?

You may now return to your usual business of forging Kenyan birth certificates.

For the love of Sweet Jesus, a fatal case of orlytaitziosis is in our midst.

If you have nothing better to do with your time than this when this nation is on the brink of multiple disasters in the wake of the abject mismanagement and thievery of you right wing zipperheads, then I feel sorry for your pathetic, easily distracted, sophomoric, witless existence.

You LOST the election. We tried your “tax cuts for the wealthy — dismantle the middle class” prescription for America since that idiot Reagan began his class warfare on working Americans. Now, like it or not, you're gonna try it OUR way. Take your anti-American attempts to delegitmize the duly elected President of the United States to Cheneyville, where you and Ms. Taitz can have a jolly good time giggling like morons drooling all over their pantaloons.

Only a resolutely uneducable conservative would stand up in a crowded room and proclaim at the top of their lungs: “I'm a goddamned fool! Hey, look at me! I'm a goddamned fool!”

You just go on living in your artificial reality. We'll wake you once we put our country back on track after your daddy Cheney and his sidekick Howdy Doody ran it into the ground.

When someone says that they have “little interest in getting in the middle of the Obama birth issue,” that person will generally lay on the side of the facts.

Instead J Pierce decides to reprint or write arguments in support on the side with no facts. Sorry to J Pierce, if you decided to copy the text from another side your opening statement is categorically false. The reason for this is that you seem more interesting in spreading misinformation.

Honestly, J Pierce you could actually take time and research the questions. Any one would realize that the questions are mind bogglingly ridiculous.

Interesting use of words, Mr. Pierce. Yet another list of baseless, evidence-free statements.

Is there anything in your post that is either verifiable or even on topic?
Or are you showing your support for Ms. Taitz with your insinuations?

Trent1280 –
How is that job at the White House treating you? I see you and your Communist handlers are at it all over the place. You Boss must be very worried. The fact is that he will be in Jail very soon and the entire democratic party and most of the media are about to be HATED by every person in the world (with half a brain).
If you had ready all the information available on this subject rather than working with your comrades to cover it up you would understand that the only correct thing is to let a court decide this.
I am alarmed that you are never able to provide any evidence that Obama is NATURAL BORN (other than childish lies). All you can do is to personally attack people – which is so transparent that you are just making things worse for your Great Leader. We do not plan on letting you and this Arch criminal 'fight your own war' like your favorite Chairman Mao. Trust me, when this is settled the truth will be so obvious it will be VERY serious for BO and the Dems/Communists.
Now stop spending my tax dollars insulting Patriotic Americans and get a real job making license plates!
Hey everyone – think about this – If you were Tren1280 would you get so excited about this UNLESS you were being paid to? There is no good reason in the world for him to have so much fear and anger about a possible trail UNLESS he KNOWS we are on to something (obviously).
Wake-up, Judge Carter is smart. He chose not to rule on the motion to dismiss because if he had it would leave his court to be apealed. By suspending it he has sent a clear message that he plans on this going through discovery and to trial.
I BET YOU – Obama will simply not comply with Discovery at all cost – again, in order to move appeals to a court sympathetic (bought and paid for) to him. I bet Judge Carter has a few more moves left in this chess board.
Next Trent will claim the Judge is from Zanzibar as well (he is not very creative, he has called me names as well claiming I am from Zanzibar too!).
Put simply, Trent is the lowest form of life, a useful idiot speding his time trying to enslave us into a communist system. At this point he is idolizing the Chineese because the have the power to simply find my IP address and charge my family for the bullet in the back of my head.
By the way Trent – Pakistan was most certainly on the State Department NO TRAVEL list at the time and in 1961 Obama's Mom need to 19 to pass her citizenship to Obama. There was no 'retro-active' law passed to lower the age requirement as you lied to me about in one of your other posts a few days ago.
You severly underestimate your loyal, patrotic American brothers and sisters.

To the rest of you that KNOW this must go to court for good reasons which protect our way of life – take note of the tactics of you white house. Trent has no shame and no limits placed upon him to spew these lies. Those like him who claim this is settled or (stupidly) repeat that the COLB is all we need to know are part of the cover-up, most likely on the white house payroll (or just very, very, very gullible!)
What other reason could he or Obama have to try and avoid court?
FACT – Obama's father was a British subject, his mother was too young. I get this info from OBama himself.

By the way. During a debate for Ill Senator with Alan Keyes, Mr . Keyes stated Obama was not Natural Born and Obama replied – 'so what, I am running for US Senator from Illinois and not President'. Back in 2004 his own campaign released he was Kenyan Born. There is proof of AP news stories having been recently altered to omit reporting that he was foreign born. The original pages have been archived, there is no way to keep the lid on this any longer. Now it will just be fun to sit back and watch this blow up and we can have our country back.

TRENT – why is it you want this liars hands on the worlds most powerful nuclear arsenal without a simple check of his eligibility – which John McCain had to go through?
What reason do you have for not wanting this? That is the $20,000 question?
Peace out

Anteni is another person earning our tax dollars at the White House trying to enslave us into servitude.
Hey budy, care to share why you think this Kenyan needs to control the worlds most deadly fighting force and nuclear weapons without showing who he really is?
Give me a break, don't even try to convince me that a trial is not required. Just tell me how much of you money you are willing to bet on the outcome of a trial. I though so.

http://www.therightsideoflife.com/?p=7439

Happy reading. The article listed has now been altered to remove the Kenyan born part (sometime after midnight on the 15th). The archive remain, the stain on the truth does as well.

You would have to be brain dead to not smell the rotten lies from this make pretend president of ours.

Bless all of you who are on to him and insist on the truth.

Are you talking about Bu$h? If so, I agree with you 100%! Too bad Obama won't hand him and his whole administration over to the International Courts to face charges of war crimes. At least he won't have to worry about a death sentence…Europeans are too civilized to consider it.

We the people will learn from this mistake. I do believe O should have to pay for his own defense, instead of using taxpayers money. The filth will be removed from the WH soon, unless he resigns.

His mother was NEVER in Kenya. Pretty hard being born in a country your mother never visited. The Kenyan govt. confirmed they have no record of her ever having been in the country. WHERE IS YOUR PROOF?

Paul Hollrah is a right wing NUTCASE. He belongs to a group that hates the Democratic Party. Instead of just repeating his lies you could have done your own researc.

http://candidblogger.blogspot.com/2009/09/debun…

AMERICANS WERE NOT BANNED FROM TRAVEL TO PAKISTAN IN 1981. Instead of joining the ranks of the egotistical jerks who repeatedly bring this false claim against Obama he could have easily researched this subject as THE CANDID BLOGGER has done. Here are the facts:

I found this article in a 1981 edition of the New York Times. Read it an weap, Mr. Hollah, and take this information with you back to the other Obama-haters who should be sanctioned at the very least. For your enjoyment:

The U.S. State Department Travel Advisory to Pakistan in 1981 confirms the newspaper account:

NO. 81-33A

Travel Advisory

Passport Services/Bureau of Consular Affa[irs]
Department of State/Wahington. D.C. 205__

AUGUST 17, 1981

TRAVEL TO PAKISTAN

BEFORE TRAVELING TO PAKISTAN, AMERICAN CITIZENS SHOULD BE AWARE OF THE FOLLO[WING] UPDATED VISA REQUIREMENTS: 30 DAY VISAS ARE AVAILABLE AT PAKISTANI AIRPORTS [FOR] TOURISTS ONLY. AS THESE VISAS ARE RARELY EXTENDED BEYOND THE 30 DAY TIME PER[IOD,] TOURISTS PLANNING TO STAY LONGER SHOULD SECURE VISAS BEFORE COMING TO PAKIS[TAN.] ANY TRAVELER COMING INTO PAKISTAN OVERLAND FROM INDIA MUST REPEAT MUST HA[VE A] VALID VISA, AS 30 DAY VISAS ARE NOT REPEAT NOT ISSUED AT THE OVERLAND BOR[DER] CROSSING POINT AT WAGHA.

ANY NON-OFFICIAL AMERICAN WHO IS IN PAKISTAN FOR MORE THAN 30 DAYS MUST REGIS[TER] WITH THE GOVERNMENT’S FOREIGNER REGISTRATION OFFICE. EXIT PERMITS ARE REQUI[RED] FOR THOSE WHO HAVE STAYED LONGER THAN 30 DAYS BEFORE THEY ARE ALLOWED TO LE[AVE T]HE COUNTRY. ALL AMERICANS TRAVELING TO PAKISTAN ON OFFICIAL BUSINESS OR [FOR] PRIVATE EMPLOYMENT ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE A VISA BEFORE ARRIVAL, AND, AS [THE] GOVERNMENT OF PAKISTAN’S CLEARANCE PROCESS IS OFTEN QUITE LENGTHY, WE WOULD URGE TH[OSE] COMING TO APPLY AT THE NEAREST PAKISTANI EMBASSY OR CONSULATE AS FAR IN ADVA[NCE] OF THEIR SCHEDULED ARRIVAL AS POSSIBLE.

THIS SUPERSEDED REQUIREMENTS SET FORTH IN DEPARTMENT PUBLICATION M-264, ["VISA] REQUIREMENTS OF FOREIGN GOVERNMENTS.["]

EXPIRATION DATE: INDEFINITE.

Ask yourself, when you see post fighting to keep this out of court, WHY?

I have no problem understanding why someone would want to see the President declared eligible. Nobody accused the entire congress of being 'Birthers' when they declared McCain eligible – a former POW no less. I don't recall McCain or any of his supports calling the congress names (and they would have accepted either decision).

I do have serious doubts about those who attack strangers and call them names in public forums for simply wanting a day in court. Finding the truth is a noble and clearly American process. Hiding the truth and fighting tooth and nail to stop the court process is very, how should I put it, questionable.

Think about it. These guys are on the net looking for a fight to keep this out of court!
What could their motivation be? They are certainly not being very fair or objective, much less civil. They are fighting their 'own war'. That means no rules, nothing is off the table. This is a desperate fight by desperate people and their tactics prove it. They have lost the support of the american people. The only supporters left are those being paid or brainwashed.
At least this will be an excellent history lesson for our children when O is in jail.

TELL ME WHY you don't want to settle his eligibility in court? IF he is eligible it would be far simpler to present yourself in court and let the court decide for everyone to see.
I thought he was Mr. Transparent? (he is in that we can see through him)

Obama's school and travel records will NEVER be released. Very good reason. He worked for the CIA, as did his mother. Hilarious that they are accused of being Communists. Obama worked for Business International Corporation as a “financial researcher”. BIC was an information gathering company that was a CIA front organization. Look it up. His records are sealed due to national security issues. You know the meaning of the word “classified”? What you birthers don't know is voluminous.

Because there is nothing, NOTHING, to settle. Obama was born in Hawaii, not Kenya or Zanzibar, and Orly Taitz is a badly educated lunatic.

Go down to your sundown town and leave the rest of us alone. Thanks.

Is everyone watching what is taking place? This MajorDumbo can't even stay on topic. Nothing of substance. Let me try and reply on your level.

I know you are but what am I?

Bush is a great American, you are NOT. It is a clear indicator of our current 'Banana republic' that our president would offer up our loyal soldiers to an international court. Do any of you think this is correct? Do you think this helps us find more CIA agents, FBI agents, Soldiers etc to fight for us and keep us free? Gee?
What frigging war crimes are you talking about in the first place? We are not communists yet.
Total BS and off topic. Get over it.

Here is a first hand account of someone who talked with the doctor who delivered Obama and who wrote to her father about the birth at the time it happened. She later became his Literature teacher and watched him grow up in Hawaii. Sorry wingnuts. This is death to your argument:

http://candidblogger.blogspot.com/2009/10/high-…

Wrong. Pakistan was not on a no-travel list. It was on a travel advisory list, but American citizens could and did travel there with no problems.

Why not actually check with the State Department instead of spouting talking points? What are you afraid of? And why do you listen to a bunch of people who clearly hate America?

If by “brilliant” you mean delusional, semi-literate, and histrionic, I would agree.

I don't give a hoot where he was born.
His Father was a British subject and his mom was only 18. Period. Got anything to dispute that. Neither does Obama which is why he can not go to court. 14+5=19. End of story.
If I am bothering you then don't spend time on these sites spreading lies. Do you think you can get away without someone calling you on the lies? AGAIN AND AGAIN?
Thanks for the invitation to go to hell, I doubt I will be there anytime soon to visit you.

14+5=19 NOT 18.
His father was a British citizen, don't you get it? We would be essentially kidnapping a British subject if we claim he is natural born.
I don't care if you have video of the birth with Diamond head in the background.

Where is the monument in front of the hospital indicating where the O was born?

I get shot down for presenting information provided by Obama and you quote 'candiblogger'? I am amused.

Oh yes, I read this article.

Anytime I want to control the worlds most powerful nuclear arsenal I rely on testimony (out of court) from a high school teacher to prove I was born in the right place.

Forget about that Obamas grandmother similarly testified he was born in Kenya.

Who cares anyway? His father was a British Subject and his mother was 18. Unless your favorite teacher (I love how, while debunking Birthers he ran accross this teacher – not biased or anyting eh?) knows about a different father or also witnessed his mother being born a year sooner I don't care other than to question what part of the White House you are working from.
What is you DR. in … BS?

No, I am quoting his high school Literature teacher who discussed his birth with the doctor who delivered him and who was at the school where his father, Dr. Obama, visited and spoke. It was the first time in 8 years that Obama had seen his father. She is a witness to his development in Hawaii since his birth.

As to his father being a British citizen, so what? The SCOTUS and Congress both consider natural born citizen to mean born on US soil. That, my friend, is the law of the land. Still amused?

His grandmother said her son was born in Kenya. If you listen to the whole tape and don't delete the end of it, you will hear her adamantly state that her grandson was born in Hawaii. It's these kinds of little schoolboy tricks that make the birthers such a joke.

As shown over and over again. With controversy theorist they have to get into very complicated theory just to spread confusion. They also sometimes spread fear, uncertainty, and doubt. Everything has to do with misrepresentation of facts.

On this issue relating to birthers is their utter refusal to recognize a birth certificate issued by the Hawaiian government. Only government agencies who oversee health issues contain the information for birth certificates. And, these agencies are the only entities that issues birth certificates. They are the only agencies that have the responsibility under law to confirm the authenticity of birth records.

With the correct research it is easy to determine the facts. However, when one requires to deceive others they omit facts that contradict or weaken their arguments.

There are personal attack that are being waged and there are against the duly elected president of America. Terminology that are used are criminal, communists, and others.

There are disjoint logical arguments such as “Judge Carter is smart. He chose not to rule on the motion to dismiss because if he had it would leave his court to be appealed.” Yes, to become a judge a person has to work very hard and to be considered to be smart. However, if a case is dismissed it can't be appealed. In the context that birther use dismissed they don't mean after going to trial and a judgment is made. They are referring to the stage where a case is being determined if it has any merits. However, they fail to notice this distinction.

They trout illogical arguments to support their position. A good example is “Mr . Keyes stated Obama was not Natural Born and Obama replied – 'so what, I am running for US Senator from Illinois and not President'.” Wow, birther view this as a got-ya moment. Actually, it is a rude statement by Mr. Keyes, as it is irrelevant to the position of US Senator. Only, the president needs to meet the constitutional requirement of being a natural born citizen. The key point in Obama's supposed statement is at that time he wasn't running for president. There are many US politicians who are not natural born citizen, but America citizens non the less. An attempt to diminish a person's qualification for a government position based on where they were born is Un-American and rude.

However, the most bizarre argument that I have seen is the suggestion that a parent must pass a certain age to bestow their citizenship on their children. There may be age requirement for children born abroad, but this is not the case. This is not the only example of strange arguments about age requirements but the most recent one.

So, birthers want to disguise what is childish.
- Childish is refusing to look at the facts, specifically a birth certificate.
- Childish is thing a Certificate of Live Birth isn't a birth certificate.
- Childish is believe that authentic and genuine don't have similar usages.
- Childish is refusing to look at evidence that contradict your position.
- Childish is accusing a person of behaving in a negative manner, but acting in that same manner.
- Childish is making things up to support ones argument, such as a non-existing travel ban.
- Childish is ignoring simple legal facts to push ones arguments.
- Childish is spreading lies about other people.

Yes, these are things that small children do. However, they do eventually grow out of this. Many actually become responsible adults.

PS. What happened to John McCain was an attempt to dismiss birthers. These birthers were different, but they believed at a son of an American military personnel and his American wife wasn't eligible even though he was born on an American base. Yes, another childish behavior by birthers to suggest otherwise.

You are the same idiot that spreads misinformation such as travel being banned to Pakistan in 1981. It wasn't and it is proven below. Do your really hate America that much that you must spread lies to attack others?

British, Kenyan, Indonesian, Canadian. Birthers don't realize that all a person has to be is born on American soil to be a natural born American citizen. So what some are mention is that even though he was born in American, he isn't a natural born citizen because of his mother's age. While other are arguing that he was born in America, without provide a single proof.

You must be braindead. There is nothing to settle. Even Congress unanimously declared that Hawaii is the birth state of the President. You are simply pissing into a strong wind. Stay dry.

Carmen,

Obama is not the only defendant. The birther nuts have sued Hillary, Pelosi, the DNC, etc. Much of the defense has been provided pro bono by sympathetic attorneys. The wingnuts like to say he has spent millions of taxpayer dollars. Tell them to prove it. They can't prove anything.

WhyNut and his fellow crackpots are led by a lawyer who never went to law school. She was not smart enough to gain admission to a real law school, so she obtained her on-line degree through a service located in a computer in California. It is hardly surprising that her court filings are so riddled with error as to be the joke — and disgrace — of the profession.

These kooks have lost in court on every occasion they have attempted to bring their spurious actions. Most recently, Orly Taitz, Esq, the well-known dentist, has been hit with a $20,000 fine for her delusional, incompetent and misleading submissions to federal court. She will soon be disbarred.

This well-known dentist was fired by her own client, and accused by that client of having submitted consent when it was never granted. This too is grounds for disbarment.

Having lost the election by a considerable margin, these crackpots are now trying to undo its results. They trade in forged documents, fibs and fictions, and outlandish accusations. They are attempting to subvert the courts for the purposes of vendetta.

Why do they hate America?

Elsewhere, the clear facts of this 'case' have been presented, time and again. But facts mean nothing to birthers. They are like Whack-A-Mole: knock them down on one lie, and they pop up with another. Grant them one court hearing, watch them lose, and they demand another. There is no end to their mania.

The reason the birthers are held in such contempt is because they are trying to subvert our courts and our Constitution, all for vendetta.

They lost. They lost in a big way. They lost to a black man. And it drives them nuts. That's why they hate America.

Nice picture of the president.

Bush is a Nazi; his father was a Nazi who was actually born in Germany. That's right, old Nazi Prescott was not the father of George HW Bush. He adopted him. Papa Bush is a fraud.

http://proliberty.com/observer//20070405.htm

It's hilarious that you accuse Obama of being a Communist when he school and travel records are sealed because they are classified. His mother worked for the CIA (Ford Foundation) and Obama worked as a financial researcher for Business International Corporation, a CIA front organization. It's in his resume but the years are wrong. That's right, your favorite Communist worked for the CIA. His travel docs, school records, etc., are all classified due to National Security. He's a patriot and you call him a Communist. Let's hear your apology.

So why do think Obama is less worthy of being verified as eligible than McCain? Only the McCain 'birthers' get a shot, or if we check one we don't need to check the other? I fail to see the logic.

I have seen the printout of the COLB provided and I can not go into all the reasons why I doubt it. For one I doubt his father's race was 'African', what a joke, that is not a race.

It would be irresponsible to not want to know the truth, which is what you are for not wanting to see proof.

You are correct you can not appeal a dismissal, but if you rule against the dismissal it can be appealed – which is what Judege Carter avoided by delaying the ruling.

The British do not give up the children of their subject so easily.
Again and again you dwell on the COLD, what a joke, especially since I do not care where he was born but I am amused by all the stories that he was not born in HI. So why do you spend so much time defending a position of hiding from the court?

I never doubted he was elected, just that he was never eligible to begin with. My 14 year old is a great driver that does not mean she is eligible to get her drivers license without proof of a birth certificate.

How much doubt must exist in your mind before you think the man in charge of our nukes should be confirmed eligible by a true court of law? Especially given the decisions he has made so far?
All you are doing is trying to control the perfectly ordinary questions of average americans – everyone needs to ask why you are doing this? I know why I am doing this and can not think of any reason in the world why this is not being settled in court.

You sir, are a fraud and a danger to my liberty. I may be childish in your mind but to me you are a real danger to my family and fellow americans.

Very soon now, WhyNut will start crying like a baby, terribly upset that his case is being attacked by ad hominem arguments.

Look at what he 'writes' about those who oppose him, and then wonder why he thinks himself immune from reply-in-kind.

The birthers have no facts. Like a whirlpool of misinformation, they churn endlessly, getting nowhere. Birthers have no facts — they have baseless accusations.

Birthers have no loyalty to America — only to their own febrile fantasies.

And birthers have never been able to answer a simple question: when Mr Obama was running for his party's nomination, and our nation's highest office, why did his opponents fail to uncover a single fact concerning his place of birth? Not one?

Did John McCain, an authentic war hero, deliberately look the other way?

Did Hilary Clinton, a famously ambitious woman, fail to deploy a weapon that would have guaranteed her victory?

Perhaps the birthers think that Sens McCain and Clinton are part of the conspiracy, too. Come to think of it, Orly Taitz, Esq, told me that McCain and Clinton first met when they were born on a donkey in Kenya in 1961.

Ahhhh, yes. It all makes sense now. 14+5+donkey = conspiracy!!

http://www.barack-obama-timeline.com/

1959

Barack Obama's father, Barack Obama, Sr., an outstanding Kenyan student, is awarded scholarship from an American program offering Western educational opportunities. At the age of 23 Barack Obama Sr. leaves behind his pregnant Kenyan wife Kezia and their baby son and arrives in the United States to study math and economics at the University of Hawaii, Honolulu. Barack Obama Sr. is the first African student in the university.

Moral Values?

08USC1154 – Procedure for granting immigrant status

Legal immigrant?

February 2, 1961 – Barack Obama Sr., 25, marries 18 year old Ann Dunham, a white American student he meets in a Russian-language class only a few months earlier. The ceremony takes place at Maui. At the time of their wedding, Ann Dunham is already three months pregnant with Barack Obama, Jr., and she doesn't know Barack Obama Sr. has a wife and children in Kenya. Back in 1961 interracial marriage in the U.S. is rare and in some states illegal. The couple settles in Honolulu.

Illegal Marriage, Bigamy,

http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol12_…

HRS §572-1 Requisites of valid marriage contract. In order to make valid the marriage contract, which shall be only between a man and a woman, it shall be necessary that:

(3) The man does not at the time have any lawful wife living and that the woman does not at the time have any lawful husband living;

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Do we have a bastard in the White House?

How the F—! did that happen?

No, you get shot down because you are goofy.

WhyNut wrote, “I don't give a hoot where he was born.”

In that one sentence, he confesses everything. His interest is not truth. It is vendetta.

The birthers have abandoned their ridiculous claim, based on forged documents, that Mr Obama was born in Kenya. Now, they admit he was born in Hawaii.

Their latest line of insatiable attack would have us believe that, even though he was born in Hawaii, he is not a 'natural born citizen'. Alas for these crackpots, 220 years of Constitutional jurisprudence says otherwise.

“I don't give a hoot where he was born” says it all.

Caught in one lie, they immediately generate another. Many people suspect that the birthers are subsidized from North Korea. No wonder. Like the North Koreans, they hate our country, our law, and our values.

Go back to Pyongyang, you America-hating birthers!!

It's obvious BO was born in Kenya. Any other American would hold their BC in hand and proudly present the evidence to the People or Court if asked. He can't and he won't he was born in Kenya.

Carmen, baby: I see you are still avoiding the question. You claim that “the taxpayers” have spent $1.4 million on Mr Obama's 'defense'. Very good.

Now, tell us, where you do get this figure?

What is your evidence for this? Your documentation? Where are your facts? Have you an ounce of proof? Where did he spend this money? On whom? On what? Do you have the invoices? The cancelled cheques? The bank statements? Anything?

If you refuse to answer this question, we will suspect that you are just making it up, like your evil masters in North Korea told you to do.

Why do you hate America, Carmen?

Miracle birth since his MOTHER WAS NEVER IN KENYA.

No, he was born in Zanzibar.

Orly Taitz, Esq, told me. Don't ask for proof. Just believe it, mindlessly.

Thank you.

Want to lower unemployment? Want to boost our economy? Want your freedom and country back? Want lower taxes and more money in your pocket? Want to defend your private property rights to buy health insurance? Want to avoid the equivalent of a food stamps healthcare plan for everyone (even if you can afford healthcare and have no need for it) ?
Insist that this case goes to court and watch what happens.
ANYONE who does not want a decision KNOWS it will be bad for Obama, the dems, and the media (perhaps more than anyone else). No wonder the media does not want a piece of this!
YEAH YEAH, I am crazy, childish etc.
In this country, where we can sue for HOT coffee from McDonalds I do not think it is too much to ask to protect our nuclear arsenal from a communist and his blood thirsty buddies.

There you are again Trent1280.
Zanzibar is a city, why not use the name of the country you silly man.
You are White House communist troll! You have been exposed.
Cheers and have a wonderful weekend.

Certainly, and his grandmother on this dad's side was never there either.
Handy how he has no relatives to question…
How about a court date?

Eh? Why Not?

What in the world does his Father's citizenship or his Mother's age have to do with born in the USA=NBC?

BTW, loser, McCain fought at least 3 lawsuits seeking his birth certificate and immigration papers. He also has refused to release those documents.

Why not again?

- Childish is refusing to look at the facts, specifically a birth certificate.
— I've been looking at many birth certificates is considering the Barack Obama case. I have yet to see a copy of Barack Obama's vault copy, but seeing the Nordyke twins' BC, I know what it looks like. Where is it?

- Childish is thing a Certificate of Live Birth (CeOLB) isn't a birth certificate.
— Actually a Certificate of Live Birth isn't a birth certificate, but a CERTIFICATION OF LIVE BIRTH (CnOLB) is not. A CeOLB is conclusive, a CnOLB raises questions. Where is the CeOLB?

- Childish is believe that authentic and genuine don't have similar usages.
— Sort of like real, true, reliable?

- Childish is refusing to look at evidence that contradict your position.
— A Barack Obama Certificate of Live Birth (CeOLB) would not contradict my position that Barack Obama is an usurper, it would confirm the argument he is an usurper.

- Childish is accusing a person of behaving in a negative manner, but acting in that same manner.
— Let's all try to be polite and open to debate.

- Childish is making things up to support ones argument, such as a non-existing travel ban.
— Travel warnings are not travel bans.

- Childish is ignoring simple legal facts to push ones arguments.
— Read the US Constitution, US Codes, Codes of Federal Regulations, the US Attorney's Manual, Uniform Code of Military Justice and the Manual For Courts Martial, for starters.

- Childish is spreading lies about other people.
— Be honest, be mature, do not libel or slander. Be nice.

Oh, poor WhyNut: You really are a shoddy scholar. Have you ever read a book? A journal article? Anything? No wonder you are an admitted birther.

Mr Obama was born in 1961. At that time, Zanzibar was an independent nation. In 1964, it united with the Republic of Tanganyika to form the new nation of Tanzania. Perhaps you have heard of this country? Perhaps not.

Mr Obama was born in Zanzibar, for which we have as much proof as you do for him being born in Kenya. Maybe more.

Try another lie, kiddo. “Zanzibar is a city” doesn't fly, even by your standards of reckless and relentless fibbing.

Zanzibar is also, however, a bar in New York City. Perhaps you have spent too much time there. Way too much.

Oh, WhyNut, WhyNut:

Your use of the interrogative “eh?” suggests that, as suspected, you are a Canadian! You have been posing as an American, but — once again — you have been exposed for the fraud you are.

Every time you post you admit another side of your nuttiness. Canada, Zanzibar, North Korea — where are you really from? You keep trying to cover your tracks, but we have ways of trailing you.

We look forward to your next “Zanzibar is a city” blunder. You make this fun! Thanks!!

Hahahahaha!

You think that because a reporter (NOT AP, only the version in The Standard had the Kenyan reference) made an error on where a junior senator was born is some kind of evidence?

Hahahahaha. You're more stupid than a 3 year old!

Here's the followup from The Standard:

“Left’s face it, Obama is not ‘our own’

Simultaneous with Obama’s rising stature is the increasing desire by Kenyans to identify with him. Typical newspaper headlines and messages flying around the Internet tend to lead with the theme “Kenyan-linked”, or “Kenyan-American”, or even, erroneously, “Kenyan-born”.

People like identifying with winners, especially when they can be linked to them in a direct way. However, Kenyans are mistaken in attempting to claim Mr Barrack Obama as one of their own, for two very important reasons.”

http://web.archive.org/web/20040706035526/www.e…

Funny how EVERY SINGLE thing you birthers point to can be de-bunked. You'd think you children would finally learn.

February 2, 1961 – Barack Obama Sr., 25, marries 18 year old Ann Dunham, a white American student he meets in a Russian-language class only a few months earlier. The ceremony takes place at Maui. At the time of their wedding, Ann Dunham is already three months pregnant with Barack Obama, Jr., and she doesn't know Barack Obama Sr. has a wife and children in Kenya. Back in 1961 interracial marriage in the U.S. is rare and in some states illegal. The couple settles in Honolulu.

Illegal Marriage, Bigamy,

No document exists. Next, there are pics of Stanley Ann Dunham nude on the beach in the summer of 1961 not pregnant.

Doesn't look very pregnant does she?

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_4YFhK87NXPE/SamoRZtXP…

Uhh, sorry to break it to you, but someone named “Stanley Ann Dunham” is probably a guy. Not too likely to get pregnant, except perhaps in your universe.

Please try again.

Yeah, like that's really Ann Dunham. More likely it is your mother.

Also, Obama Sr's Kenyan marriage was a tribal marriage – not recorded or recognized by Hawaii.

However, Hawaii DOES have a record of the Obama Dunham marriage in their index file.

http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2009/10…

Good post AXJ, reading through it we can clearly see Judge Carter is a practical man and right from the get go he has West tell him how it would work in Arnold Schwarzenegger ran for President and West concedes it would end up in Court just like this case has.

At minute 08:50 West concedes this Court has Competent Jurisdiction and there would be standing. Orly has won.

At minute 08:59 Orly starts right, this is not about impeachment, that is only for an eligible candidate and legitimate President and Obama might not be. Well done.

At minute 09:00 Orly explains to Judge Carter why he has competent jurisdiction under a case of Quo Warranto. Well done.

At minute 09:03 Orly goes for the jugular and states this is a legal question of constitutional law, not a political nor congressional matter so therefore they are out and this is a Court of competent jurisdiction. Well done again.

At minute 09:00 Orly explains to Judge Carter why he has competent jurisdiction since there is no Res Judicata tried on the merits. Brilliant.

At minute 09:17 Orly explains to Judge Carter why he has competent jurisdiction under a case when there is a violation of the Constitution. Brilliant again.

At minute 09:39 Orly explains to Judge Carter that the Secretary of the State of California did not verify Obama's eligibility. This is a grave matter. Well done.

At minute 10:00 Kreep asks Judge Carter to issue the appropriate Subpoena. Well done.

At minute 10:50 Orly explains to Judge Carter how Osama Bin Laden can win a Presidential Election with the help of the King of Saudi Arabia. Sad but true.

At minute 10:55 Orly explains to Judge Carter why he has competent jurisdiction and the American People have the right to enforce the Constitution. Well done.

At minute 11:24 Kreep sums it up for Judge Carter why he has competent jurisdiction. Well done.

Hey WhyNut: you've had 30 minutes to prove your claim that “Zanzibar is a city”. Here, let me help you.

The capital of Zanzibar the nation was Zanzibar the city. Perhaps this subtle point confused you.

Your silly effort to ride on the city horse while the country horse was in plain view simply didn't fly.

The central point remains: Mr Obama was born in Zanzibar in 1961. The well-known dentist Orly Taitz, Esq, told me so. Don't bother asking for evidence. None is required, at least in birtherland.

You may now return to your usual business of forging Kenyan birth certificates.

Thank you!

Nude pics of Stanley Ann Dunham in the summer of 1961 reveal she was not pregnant.

This one is catching on like wildfire.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_4YFhK87NXPE/SamoRZtXP…

Hello Mary:

Excellent riposte. However, this is not a photo of AJ Rocks-in-his-Head's mother. No, no.

These are photos of Barack Obama HIMSELF! before his sex change operation in Indonesia!!! The well-known dentist Orly Taitz, Esq, told me — and she would never in a million years just make things up.

Birthers would never do that sort of thing.

Are you nuts?

Hahahahaha!

Those pics of your mother have been on the 'net for over a year.

“catching on like wildfire' indeed. Hahahahaha!

“Unlike in Alice in Wonderland, simply saying something is so does not make it so.” Judge Land to Orly Taitz

Yes. Yes, he is.

Hahahahaha!

Made up your own fantasy transcript.

Typical lying birther. You have nothing so you just make shit up.

Pretty stupid when the REAL transcript is right there.

But then you are counting on another typical birther behavior: believing anything another birther tells you without making even a one-click attempt to verify.

Hahahahaha!

Keep trying, it's entertaining.

Hahahahaha!

Of course not.

Hahahahaha!

I can't believe they are still going on about the Pakistan travel ban that wasn't!

That was debunked long ago! There is even a travel article in the NYT and a letter from a diplomat encouraging tourists to visit!

Birthers really do have rocks in their heads.

can you say: PHOTOSHOP?

http://www.buffalonews.com/494/story/554495.html

The BEST EVIDENCE from his high school Literature teacher who was there discussing his birth with the physician who delivered him on the day he was born.

When Barack Hussein Obama places his hand on the Bible today to take the oath of office as 44th president of the United States, Barbara Nelson of Kenmore will undoubtedly think back to the day he was born. It was Aug. 4, 1961, at Kapi’olani Medical Center for Women & Children in Honolulu.

“I may be the only person left who specifically remembers his birth. His parents are gone, his grandmother is gone, the obstetrician who delivered him is gone,” said Nelson, referring to Dr. Rodney T. West, who died in February at the age of 98. Here’s the story: Nelson was having dinner at the Outrigger Canoe Club on Waikiki Beach with Dr. West, the father of her college friend, Jo-Anne. Making conversation, Nelson turned to Dr. West and said: “‘So, tell me something interesting that happened this week,’” she recalls.

His response: “Well, today, Stanley had a baby. Now that’s something to write home about.”

The new mother was Stanley (later referred to by her middle name of Ann) Dunham, and the baby was Barack Hussein Obama.

“I penned the name on a napkin, and I did write home about it,” said Nelson, knowing that her father, Stanley A. Czurles, director of the Art Education Department at Buffalo State College, would be interested in the “Stanley” connection.

She also remembers Dr. West mentioning that the baby’s father was the first black student at the University of Hawaii and how taken he was by the baby’s name.

“I remember Dr. West saying ‘Barack Hussein Obama, now that’s a musical name,’” said Nelson, who grew up in Kenmore and went to Hawaii in 1959 to be in Jo-Anne’s wedding party. When Nelson was offered a job as a newspaper reporter and photographer at her friend’s wedding reception, it led to her living in Hawaii for 47 years. She returned to Kenmore in 2006.

Ten years after that memorable birth announcement, Nelson would hear the Obama name again. This time, the father, now a Kenyan government official, was coming to speak at the Punahou School in Honolulu where Nelson was teaching and where his 10-year-old son was a newly enrolled fifth-grader.

“Dr. Obama had this lovely, attentive manner,” she said. “When he answered the children’s questions, he would do it as a story, which is the way they do it in Kenya.

“His son, whom he hadn’t seen in eight years, seemed as fascinated as we all were,” said Nelson, who went on to be a high school principal, a harpist, a watercolor artist and poet.

A few years later, Nelson encountered “Barry” again, when she watched high school basketball games, where her students played.

“The team came alive when he got on the court,” she said. “He was not only quick and graceful, but he could see the pattern and zero in on the opening. Though he wasn’t a starter, he was a graceful, passionate athlete who played back-up forward. He had a definite presence on the court.

“I often sat with his grandmother, who was a no-nonsense woman with these very solid Midwestern ways about her,” said Nelson. “She loved that boy and he adored her.”

As a high school teacher of British, Biblical and Middle Eastern literature, Nelson taught Obama.

“He wasn’t usually the first one to speak, but he was an attentive, active listener,” she said. “While the others might be bouncing off the surface, he came straight from the center. He picked up on the patterns of ideas and then he’d make a statement that moved the class to the focal point.

“He also had a lovely, engaging sense of humor,” Nelson said. “He was firm, but he wasn’t aggressive or in your face.”

During one class the question was posed “of what should we be most afraid,” drawing answers that included “death,” “hell,” “biological warfare,” “fear” and “isolation,” said Nelson.

“I recall Barack sitting in the back of the room,” Nelson said, demonstrating a hands-behind-his- head pose and describing his lanky, outstretched legs.

“When he pulled himself upright I thought ‘Bingo. Here we go,’ ” she said, expecting the discussion to move to a new level.

“And he said, ‘Words. Words are the power to be feared most. Every individual has an unmonitored arsenal and whether they are directed personally or internationally, words can be weapons of destruction.”

It was such moments that led Nelson to honor Obama at his 1979 graduation with the traditional draping of a lei around his neck.

“I had a yellow plumeria tree and I could get only enough blossoms to make five leis,” she said. “I had taught more than 200 students, but one of those leis went around the shoulders of Barack Obama.”

Years later, the ideas Obama expressed resonated as Nelson wrote “War of the Words,” which includes the lines: “ I fear the powerful pugnacious words, Weapons that miss the flesh and pierce the heart.” (Songs of Honor, 2006).

In the author’s notes, Nelson describes the classroom discussion with Obama that inspired the poem and she adds this information: “Interestingly, this former student is now a very wise, articulate U. S. senator.”

Birther lies continue to catch up with birther crackpots.

In case you missed it, the well-known dentist Orly Taitz, Esq, has been dismissed by her own client. In the process, her now-former client has opened the door to the disbarment of Orly Taitz.

Turns out that Orly Taitz, Esq, was doing what birthers do all the time: telling lies, misstating fact, acting without lawful authority. Now they're getting caught.

Remember Captain Connie Rhodes? The Army medic who supposedly challenged her deployment because Mr Obama was not actually the President? Well, she sent a letter to Federal Court. Here it is:

“September 18th, 2009

To the Honorable Judge Land:

Currently, I am shipping out to Iraq for my deployment. I became aware on last night’s local news that a Motion to Stay my deployment had been entered on my behalf. I did not authorize this motion to be filed. I thank you for hearing my case and respect the ruling given on September 16th, 2009. It is evident that the original filing for the TRO and such was full of political conjecture which was not my interest. I had no intention of refusing orders nor will I. I simply wanted to verify the lawfulness of my orders. I am honored to serve my country and thank you for doing the same.

With that I said, please withdraw the Motion to Stay that Ms. Taitz filed this past Thursday. I did not authorize it and do not wish to proceed. Ms. Taitz never requested my permission nor did I give it. I would not have been aware of this if I did not see it on the late news on Thursday night before going to board my plane to Iraq on Friday, September 18, 2009.

Furthermore, I do not wish for Ms. Taitz to file any future motion or represent me in any way in this court. It is my plan to file a complaint with the California State Bar to her reprehensible and unprofessional actions.

I am faxing this as was advised by Tim, who works in the District Clerk’s office. I will mail the original copy of this letter once I have arrived in Iraq.

Respectfully,

CPT Connie M. Rhodes, MD”
————————

The notorious crackpot Orly Taitz, Esq, is accused BY HER OWN CLIENT of:

a) Acting without lawful authority: “Ms. Taitz never requested my permission nor did I give it.”

b) Acting unprofessionally and incompetently: “It is my plan to file a complaint with the California State Bar to her reprehensible and unprofessional actions.”

It is because of this sort of nonsense that Orly Taitz, Esq, is going to be disbarred. It is because of this sort of unprofessionalism that she has been sanctioned.

And it is because this sort of contempt for the truth that the birthers are a laughingstock.

Your own people are turning on you. More to come!

He isn't natural born because of his mother's age? …. no proof?

The evidence has been produced, certified by independent officials from Hawaii, endorsed by leading conservatives and Republicans among the overwhelming many who use reality and evidence to guide their thinking.

That you don't bother listen and learn is your sad world. Join reality – it's more fun!

Birthers HAD your day in court. And the court rejected the law suit because it was baseless and absurd You just dont' bother with reality. Check it out – there was a lot of coverage when Orly Taite was shooed from the courtroom for her frivolous filings

Your are mistaken when you say “It is because of this contempt for the truth that the birthers are a laughingstock.”

You misunderestimate the power of the farce.

This is not a source of weakness; this ability to continue in the face of insurmountable evidence, law, and Constitutional findings is the very source of their power.

we really don't need to know about your photoshopping porn predilections, AXJ—-sounds like a lot of trouble to me when you could just as easily be jacking off to anime' nudes….

hey, Rocks, did AXJ link you to his porn so you can get your ROCKS off?

Wouldn't surprise me if Birfer porn proved to consist mostly of hermaphrodites—-sounds pretty appropo…

I'm confused. Is Zanzibar a hermaphrodite bar?
That would explain Birfer patronage

I think you make a fair point, and thank you for it.

There is, I believe, occasional value in turning farce into greater farce. You may have seen posts alleging that WhyNut was actually born in Zanzibar, or Canada, or owes his allegiance to North Korea. There is something worthy in making these crackpots play by their own rules. By their standards, any ridiculous allegation deserves serious enquiry, many days in court, and ceaseless repetition. In a word, they live by a code of vendetta.

It might be argued, though, that these lunatics have no actual 'power' at all. They have privilege, and they abuse it. Eventually the courts catch on, and throw them out, impose large fines, and take away their licenses to engage in legal malpractice. This is now well underway.

One of the great jokes going around today is 'Where Was Glenn Beck in 1990?' This particular trope nails him on the same spurious grounds with which he approaches all matters: proving a negative.

One imagines he is seething at having the tables turned.

As with Orly Taitz, Esq, it seems that the men with the nets cannot now be too far off.

Now that every other Birfer premise has gone down in flames all we have left is the tried & true racist crap which underlies all of this. White woman plus black man equals bastard.
Borderline schizo, did you catch oldracistman666's post yesterday in which he posited a theory that the President's mother was basically a low-grade white slave being shuttled intercontinentally for pleasuring brownskinned men? Because the tone of your posting here matches that one pretty closely. That tells me that the mask (as laughable as it was) is finally coming off of the Birfers. Come on out of the closet, oh Daughter of the Confederacy—-it'll feel good to come clean, I promise.

“Do not slander or libel”?
You scummy hypocrite.

Hi Chris J: We'll have to ask WhyNut. I merely found it on the web.

WhyNut appears to have intimately personal knowledge of Zanzibar the bar, the city AND the country. Lord knows how he got it.

Probably sent there by the KGB, in 1961. We have documentPass it on.

Anteni, nothing said above is my opinion or claim of fact.

Read it again, I have only quoted information and provided sources for the information, and a Family Tree site, none of which is under my control or influence.

It reads to me as if Orly was trying to bait the judge.

'Cause you know she is a master baiter as well.

(that's why she's all ways after Barack)

Orly Taitz may be a crazy, middle-aged lady with a perma-tan, she and some of her cronies may use the word 'socialist' too freely…but there IS something wrong when Obama has his lawyers (or, rather, government ones), at great expense, to fight the release of very ordinary documents. After all, Obama admitted to COCAINE use–why is he digging his heels in over things like a physician-sighned birth certificate and his kindergarden records?

The non-Murdoch media (desperately hoping their multimillion dollar donations to Obama-Biden will pay off, in a reversal of the Bush FCC's whitespace decision) won't dig. Not that they didn't in the case of Dubya: DUI records, haemmorrhoidectomy records (really) and participating in the 'revelation' of that fake National Guard letter. For instance, none of them seemed to notice that Van Jones was a 'truther' who spouted racist conspiracy theories.

Even if you don't believe in the 'birther' theories, you've got to admit something's not right with Obama's stonewalling over plane-jane records.

Trent, you can call me all the names you wish but, being from the ShitCago area, I know all about Mr. Obama. One case in point; he tried to get a job working for Abner Mikva. A well known ShitCago Machine Politician. Guess what? The man couldn’t even get a security clearance! don’t believe me? It’s public record. We want a man who couldn’t get a simple security clearance to work for a local Politician running OUR country? Grow up Obot Troll!

Another case in point. His wife had a ghost job at Cook County Hospital, and furthermore, she was Disbarred in IL. Nice people!

keep reaching, Adam…

Was 1990 the year Beck phoned up the wife of a rival dj on-air while she was recovering from a miscarriage? He asked her to confirm the family tragedy, then made a joke about how her husband couldn't get anything right, including making babies.
You Birfers sure have a kindred spirit in classy ol' Glenn beck, I must say.

I think the bar has this info printed on the napkins. Birfers consider that a verified source.

Yeah, I'd like to know what this “great expense” is. After all, costs in Keyes v Bowen were only $540. LOL!

Yeah, President Obama admitted to cocaine use.

What makes you think there ARE any kindergarten records? Can you locate YOURS?

And I guess you haven't heard the news:

Hawaii and many other states (including North Carolina, Washington, Ohio, Maryland, Missouri, Arizona for births after 1989) ONLY issue the “short form” which contains only the data legally required for passport, drivers license, etc.

Also, will you explain why John McCain “lawyered up” rather than produce his birth certificate and immigration documents for the at least three lawsuits demanding them???

Yes Adam, you are totally right. All the Democrats and Liberal Left will call you crazy but apparently a series of pics on the internet of Obama's supposed moterh Stanley Ann Dunham nude in the summer of 1961 are evidence she was not pregnant. Also she started university 2,000 miles away in Seattle. The 1964 birth certificate has no marriage certificate attached and the supposed father was never served. Add that to the fact that documents are missing and the 1980 divorce and Lolo Soetoro has now been denied by Hillary at the State Department. Too many mistakes not to mention strange death like that of the AXJ member that was cooperating with the FBI on finding out who and why were tampering with the passport information a various top government members, etc. Too many questions and no answers. Keep it up Adam and soon you will become an AXJ member too.

Wow! It is amazing how vehemently Mr. Obama's supporters articulate their thoughts. They often begin their dissertation with, “It is a proven fact…” then spend ten paragraphs proving the facts that they say have been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt.

In politics everything is either distorted, misrepresented, or an outright lie.

You are a fraud my sir. Did you honestly take time to read the comments about John McCain, or are you just being stupid.

Of course you fail to see the logic, because without looking at the facts you miss the logic. Birthers have proven this time and time again.

All the best in your world of disillusion.

As time passes birthers conspiracy grows, and gets more confusing.

Honestly, it is only a birth certificate. Can accept it. Tough.

Here is a logical disjoint argument. An obvious error. You claimed that Barak Obama Sr. was “awarded scholarship from an American program offering Western educational opportunities.” The you attempt to argue about “Legal immigrant.”

You just don't see the problem, do you?

BorderlineSchizo, just didn't know what he was typing.

What are you talking about? Really, does anything you typed makes any sense.

So, now you are supporting the fact that the president is a natural born citizen.

“bait the judge.” Part of Taitz natural talent at playing chess. $20,000 must be some expensive bait.

For birthers “everything is either distorted, misrepresented, or an outright lie.”

Orly Taitz is not the issue, she is the smoke screen. Obama’s Doctor or Mid-Wife signed, original Birth Certificate is the issue. This is the simplest thing to put to rest. Produce the document in question. Not the Hawaii issued COLB. Hell, Barry’s half sister that was born in Indonesia has a Hawaii issued COLB.

I’m not a “Birther” but I know that politicians on both sides of the isle are natural-born (no pun intended) liars. Invariably, when a politician fights something this hard, there is a reason. I do not trust Obama any more than I trusted Bush. Why is it completely out of the question to produce the appropriate document?

My Dear Doctor Moses:

The names you are given are the names you have earned. You purport to be opposed to ‘socialism’, but your hero Emiliano Zapata was himself a well-known Mexican socialist and revolutionary. Thank you for not even trying to refute that one. You can’t.

You purport to be opposed to ‘socialism’, but only when it benefits somebody else. You personally benefit from Medicare, Social Security, public hospitals, public roads, public transit, public libraries (I admit you probably don’t use them much), and our greatest social enterprise, the US military. Your hypocrisy is astounding.

On the basis of zero documentation, you purport that Mr Obama failed to obtain “security clearance” in order to work for one Abner Mikva. Evidence? Proof? Facts? Anything?

As usual with you crackpots, you present none. In any case, and this drives you nuts, last November the American people granted Mr Obama the highest security clearance of all.

You also claim that Mrs Obama was “disbarred” in Illinois. In that state, disbarment proceedings are the judicial duties of the Illinois Supreme Court Attorney Registration and Disciplinary Commission.

There is NO RECORD of disbarment proceedings against Mrs Obama. None. Nada. Zero. Zip.

The record does reveal that she voluntarily relinquished her license, evidently in order to pursue other interests. Lawyers do this all the time. It is not unusual.

Ready for a few facts? Here goes!

ARDC Individual Attorney Record of Public Registration and Public Disciplinary and Disability Information as of December 31, 2008 at 10:54:43 AM:

Full Licensed Name: Michelle Obama
Full Former name(s): Michelle Lavaughn Robinson
Date of Admission as Lawyer
by Illinois Supreme Court: May 12, 1989
Registered Business Address: Not available online
Registered Business Phone: Not available online
Illinois Registration Status: Voluntarily inactive and not authorized to practice law – Last Registered Year: 1993
Malpractice Insurance:
(Current as of date of registration;
consult attorney for further information)

No malpractice report required as attorney is on court ordered inactive status.
Public Record of Discipline
and Pending Proceedings:
[no record]

In Illinois, all lawyers who enter inactive status have that recorded in court documents. It is so ordered. The Illinois Supreme Court held her to be “voluntarily inactive”. Read it again. “Voluntarily inactive.”

Do you understand what ‘disbarment’ means? Apparently not. Do you understand what “voluntarily inactive” means? Clearly not.

You boobs don’t even know how to tell a good lie and make it stick. The public record makes you look like a fool.

You talk of a “ghost job”, but — per usual — provide no evidence. In the same spirit, Dr Moses, we accuse you of holding a “ghost job” at the University of Chicago. Do not ask for evidence. In your world, none is required.

Now, please quote something from your socialist hero and avatar Emiliano Zapata. It’s always fun to read people like you get something so laughably wrong.

HI still has the origional, paper documents on file. Photocopies of that document ARE available from the HDPH:
http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/vital-re…
http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/vital-re…
What makes this an issue is HI's old, quirky birth records laws, which were unlike any in the country (enabling out-of-state births to be recorded as 'Hawai'ian'):
http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/vital-re…

Funny that in one election year, THREE candidates (Obama, McCain and Roger Calero) for the Presidency had eligibility issues/questions. There has to be a law, like the Posey bill, to clear this sort of thing up before it reaches the White House.

Surely, everyone genuflecting before The One would like to know where, exactly, he WAS born. Although both Barack and his sister stated, at one point, that he was born at Queen's, the 'consensus' is now that it was Kapi'olani. That hospital will neither confirm, nor deny. (They briefly had a letter from Barry-O on their website, but inexplicably took it down.) Nobody actually recalls his birth, or early childhood in Honolulu. The Barbara Nelson recollection was nothing more than hearsay: she never actually saw his birth, but claims to have been told of it by Dunham's doctor:
http://www.examiner.com/x-3747-Louisville-City-…

Wow. What a bunch of babbling idiocy.

“apparently a series of pics on the internet of Obama's supposed' mother.

Key words ” apparently” and “supposed”. Yeah. Real concrete evidence.

As opposed to a document certified by the state of Hawaii to contain the FACTS of birth: One Stanley Ann Obama gave birth Aug. 4, 1961 to Barack Obama II.

One teeny little thing the birfoons miss is that Ann's transcripts from Washington indicate she took CORRESPONDENCE courses initially.

1964 birth certificate? You mean the FAKE Kenyan one? Hahahahaha!
Since when do birth certificates EVER have a marriage certificate attached. You just pull all of this crap out of your ass don't you?

FYI: Index data from Hawaii DOH lists both a birth for Barack Obama and a Marriage for Ann and Barack Obama Sr.
naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2009/10/02/doh-reverses-course-releases-index-data-for-president-obama-stanley-ann-and-barack-sr-no-records-for-maya-exist/

Babble, babble, babble. You make no sense whatsoever. LOL!

Certainly more than the ten bucks it would cost to get a photocopy of the damned thing and be done with it.

What really gets me is how NOBODY–staff and other parents in the Kapi'olani mat. ward, neighbors, parents and classmates at B.O.'s alleged kindergarden–can come up with cute, “I remember baby Barack!” anecdotes. (The Nelson story was NOT a first-hand account, only the recollection of an alleged conversation.) Even unmemorable Joes who haven't appeared on Oprah (like most of the people on this forum, myself included) can produce dozens of first-hand birth and early childhood witnesses. Obama could've even visited Kapi'olani and made quite a photo-op of the trip, for his health plan…but he didn't.

For truthers (e.g., Van Jones) “everything is either distorted, misrepresented, or an outright lie.”

The most 'babbling idiocy' in the probama camp is the conspiracy theory, popular amongst Barry-O's more antisemitic supporters, that Benyamin Netanyahu is part of some 'birfer conspiracy':
http://www.voltairenet.org/article161601.html

What, you think he had a big “I'm gonna be the 44th POTUS, remember me! tattooed on his butt and forhead? LOL!

You birthers have some really unrealistic expectations of people. Considering how stupid you are, it is a wonder that you think there are people who are soooo smart that they remember every person, even an ordinary infant for decades and decades. LOL!

I can guaran-damn-tee you that no one from the maternity ward or people who were only very briefly neighbors would remember one particular brown baby among all of the other brown babies in Hawaii.

And there are people from kindergarten that DO remember him, they even found a picture – that's what got you idiot birthers screaming for his “kindergarten records”. LOL!

http://www.mauinews.com/page/content.detail/id/513898….

There are plenty of accounts of President Obama as a child in Indonesia and at Punahou.

And if President Obama visited Kapi'olani and made quite a photo-op of the trip, you birfoons would say just what you said about the Centennial letter.

So President Obama is doing just what he should: ignoring birfoons and running the country.

Well, that's just like the Democrats were saying prior to Obama's election. Remember Bush when he was in office?

Whereas the birthers have an avowed anti-semite on their side, namely Andy Martin.

Here you go, enjoy:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/12234409/Divorce-Decr…

No marriage certificate, no father, no service, no child support, no P.11 which is the supposed birth certificate of the supposed child, all fabricated. Read it. Need more evidence?

How about these summer of 1961 nude pics, doesn't look too pregnant does she?

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_4YFhK87NXPE/SamoRZtXP…

Then she appeared in August in Seattle, WA…boy she really travelled didn't she…some people will believe anything…

And a fake COLB posted on the internet? Some people will believe anything. Let him present that document to Judge Carter.

Here you go, enjoy:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/12234409/Divorce-Decr…

No marriage certificate, no father, no service, no child support, no P.11 which is the supposed birth certificate of the supposed child, all fabricated. Read it. Need more evidence?

How about these summer of 1961 nude pics, doesn't look too pregnant does she?

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_4YFhK87NXPE/SamoRZtXP…

Then she appeared in August in Seattle, WA…boy she really travelled didn't she…some people will believe anything…

And a fake COLB posted on the internet? Some people will believe anything. Let him present that document to Judge Carter.

He has.

The birthers dismissed it as a forgery.

At this point, there's no level of evidence they would accept.

The claim that “Obama's sister has a Hawaiian COLB” was made by a long-since discredited internet “expert” named “TechDude”, and backed up at the site “Atlas Shrugs”.

In the recent reports that Leo Donofrio was able to get from the State of Hawaii, they confirmed they hold Obama's birth record but said they had no record of Maya Soetoro's birth.

The COLB, by the way, is a legal document accepted by the US government and all 50 states as as a “birth certificate” for the purposes of establishing US birth and citizenship. Both my and my daughters COLBs (from California) were accepted by the State Department when we got our passports.

AXJ ROCKS-in-his-head never responds to FACTS presented. Just a hit-and-run with lies and fabrications…

As Judge Land told Oily Titz: “Unlike in Alice in Wonderland, simply saying something is so does not make it so.”

Marriage validated by index data at Hawaii DOH.

http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2009/10…

And ya sure don't pay a divorce lawyer if ya never got married. LOL! And birth certificates aren't part of a divorce decree. bozo.

Father validated by certified BC issued by Hawaii.

No, your mother doesn't look pregnant in those pics.

Maybe your mother appeared in Seattle, but Ann Obama took correspondence courses as shown by her transcripts:

http://www.theobamafile.com/_images/AnnaObamaUn…

Yes birfoons will believe anything. And yes, if a document is ever presented in court, it will be that COLB from Hawaii DOH and it will be the end of birfoon court cases.

The world inside a Birfer mind sounds to be a nightmarish world of paranoia, fear and irrational hatred. kinda like a Wes Craven movie. Good God.

http://www.barack-obama-timeline.com/

1959

At the age of 23 Barack Obama Sr. leaves behind his pregnant Kenyan wife Kezia and their baby son and arrives in the United States to study math and economics at the University of Hawaii, Honolulu.

February 2, 1961 – Barack Obama Sr., 25, marries 18 year old Ann Dunham, … at the time of their wedding, Ann Dunham is already three months pregnant with Barack Obama, Jr., and she doesn't know Barack Obama Sr. has a
wife and children in Kenya.

http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol12_…

HRS §572-1 Requisites of valid marriage contract. In order to make valid the marriage contract, which shall be only between a man and a woman, it shall be necessary that:

(3) The man does not at the time have any lawful wife living …

Obama Family Tree
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_of_Barack_O…

Is Barack Hussein Obama II, an illegitimate child?
Is Barack Hussein Obama II, a USA Natural Born Citizen?

A CnOLB is good for most needs, but a CeOLB is best. At any rate the more documentation presented the better a candidate can be vetted. If the only document made available by Barack Hussein Obama II, was the CnOLB displayed on FactCheck, the Barack Hussein Obama II, shall go down in history as the best crook ever, for his ability to steal the first a nomination for president; second to steal a nomination from the DNC; three to steal the Electoral College; and then to steal the “ultimate home plate”, the White House. But, of course we cannot give him credit, without handing demerits to Nancy Pelosi, for her participation in the grand conspiracy; and Dick Cheney for fouling up the electoral college process, by not calling for objections. We the People were not properly represented by our elected government, and we demand trial!

“I can guaran-damn-tee you that no one from the maternity ward or people who were only very briefly neighbors would remember one particular brown baby among all of the other brown babies in Hawaii.”

As HI was largely Asian and/or Caucasian at the time, BHO Jr. would've been a very memorable baby, not to mention his distinctive name. Remember, too, the racism of the era–interracial marriages were actually still ILLEGAL in several states.

As for personal recollections of baby Barack, could you please reference them?

Assume for purposes of argument the photos are of Ann Dunham. She is posing in front of a Christmas tree, with presents under it. To the right of her is a sign on the wall that says “Merry Christmas.” This would kind of point to the photos being taken in December (except to the birfer mind, which probably assumes that the Christmas stuff is in the photo just to confuse the future efforts of birfers to find the “truth”). If it was December 1960, that would be eight months before Barack Obama was born. If it was December 1961, that would be four months after Barack Obama was born. So, assuming for purposes of argument it is Ann Dunham, of course she doesn’t look pregnant, you idiot.

Yeah, I though so—just more Birfer innuendo

delusion.
just who is fighting Birfers so hard, and in what way?

Wow, all of your innuendo adds up to a big zero
You know, you Birfers are sure moving backwards at a rapid clip—maybe the photoshop porn was the high point of your campaign. Pretty sleazy note to end on…

Yeah, run with that one Adam: pro-Obama = anti-semitic

Here is something to think about regarding this Birther discussion on this site:

Many so called “references” listed by posters are not official information sources, merely other blogs or websites authored by God only knows who.

This attorney, Taitz is not germane to the issue. It does not matter if she is smart, dumb, retarded or anything else. The issue is certified birth records authored by the physician in attendance at the birth; not the State issued COLB.

There is far too much hocus-pocus revolving around this simple, easily proven, reasonable request to prove Mr. Obama meets the Constitutional prerequisites to hold the office of POTUS. Everyone that defends him from providing this information in a forthright manner needs to rethink this issue. There is no legitimate reason to defend his refusal to provide documentation on this legitimate request.

Your two questions are ludicrous. Do you even read the blog you post to?

Certification means something has been registered as meeting the standards for XYZ.

Certificate means that the item has met the standards for Certification.

Example, I have work-related certification. To show that, I have a certificate of said certification.

In other words, there's no legal difference between a Certificate of Live Birth and Certification of Live Birth. (Amusingly enough, my daughter's has both words on it. Funny thing that).

And I seriously doubt that Obama pointed someone to an on-line image as proof. Logically, he used the physical document that the on-line image was scanned from. In any case, the physical copy of the COLB was all the legal proof needed to establish birthplace and citizenship.

Actually, those were questioned a LONG time ago

http://www.snopes.com/photos/risque/dunham.asp

Hawaii doesn't give those out. They issue COLBs. Where have you been?

It's an official document. He was born in Hawaii. Birthers are insane.

Orly Taitz's family likely falsified its Jewishness in order to gain citizenship and entry to Israel, as was common of many people attempting to leave the Soviet Union. She has some 20 odd malpractice suits filed against her for her dental practice, and she is facing disbarment in California. She is also a mail order bride to a U.S. citizen who was visiting Israel, and her citizenship was obtained under false pretenses. Thus, her U.S. and Israeli citizenship are likely fraudulent… I am amazed that she ends up on CNN, etc – with this sordid background. At least I can make up a background on her that is more plausible than her background on Obama. Or is it made up…. you decide.

mantis, you're response is typical of someone that, 1. Has no idea what the Hawaii procedure for COLB is, and 2. By saying “Birthers are insane” you indicate that your mind is closed and you do not care what the real story is.

This is a very complex issue and a very important issue. Most states do NOT issue a COLB just because someone asks for it. Most states require the document issued by the Doctor or hospital. Hawaii, on the other hand, is known for substandard, if not ridiculous procedures for issuance of “Birth Certificates.” Hawaii is one of the poorest states in the Union and is quite corrupt, politically. I mention this to illustrate that money talks, and BS walks in Hawaii.

Lastly, explain why it is so preposterous to ask to be shown THE document that will put this issue to rest? What motive can the President have to drag this out for endless months? Can it be because he does not have said document? Of course, insane people ask for irrefutable proof for so important an issue. People that think Mr. Obama is the Messiah reincarnate will argue to the end of the World that he must be a natural born citizen because they want to believe it.

All I ask to see is one simple document, just like I have in my desk drawer. It is not an unreasonable request. It is unreasonable to refuse to offer it as proof positive of the facts. If you can argue with that logic then you are deluded. Politicians are notorious liars. Both Republicans and Democrats.

So, you agree that birthers are frauds. Thank you for your support.

Actually, the text was taken from something that FirstShirt wrote. It is what is called a direct quote. I am sorry that I didn't contribute to the original author. However, one would have assumed that you would have recognized it as it was you who is the wrote those exact words. It is from your comment where it was taken.

So now you are complaining.

I am smiling right now.

You are a birther. Accept that fact.

“There is no legitimate reason to defend his refusal to provide documentation on this legitimate request.”

The document in question has been released.
The document in question has been verified as authentic.
The document in question has been confirmed to match government records.

“Many so called “references” listed by posters are not official information sources, merely other blogs or websites authored by God only knows who.”

Those are what we refer to as birther sights. To example that can be provided are AXJ and WND. Read both of them they are the required reading for birthers.

“By saying “Birthers are insane” you indicate that your mind is closed and you do not care what the real story is.”

Yes, what is wrong by being harsh on someone who refuses to look at the facts. What is wrong with people who believe that their government and court system is corrupt at every level. All in order to hide the birth of one person.

Honestly, I wouldn't use the word “insane”, because it is demeaning to people who have serious mental issues. “Disillusioned” would be a better word.

There is nothing complex about this issue and if you have been led to believe otherwise, I have a couple of investment schemes I'd like to run by you. Although you feel that it strengthens your credibility you will find that Birfers do not take kindly to seeing Orly kicked to the curb.
The document in question has been thoroughly vetted and to argue otherwise is just typical Birfer obstinacy, designed to undermine POTUS' legitimacy in an unsubtle but pernicious fashion. Your hackneyed “messiah” speil marks you you as just another bitter and insecure rightwinger who doesn't understand about winners and losers and elections and democracy.

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Stuffed shirt: I come here to be entertained and dazzled by the spectacle of Birferism; I mock and debate at my leisure. I, like millions of Americans, am offended by the sleaze, innuendo and hate which characterize the Birfer movement and I react accordingly. You said: “…when a politician fights something this hard…” There are no “politicians” here fighting Birfers. Just Americans who know bilge scum when they see it and call ranting loons out for it. I don't think you know what the heck you're talking about: You deny that you are a Birfer but you seem in lockstep with 'em, so what's the diff?

Oh, now you concede what a piece of work Cheney is: we've known that for decades!

Yep, the Summer of 1961. That is why the woman is posing in front of a damn Christmas Tree with presents under it, and there is a sign on the wall to the right of her that says “Merry Christmas.” Because it was the summer. Assume it is Ann Dunham. The photos obviously weren't taken in summer, you stupid birfer.

These people are crazy. And stupid.

So? What does the President’s parents possibly being unmarried have to do with anything? It’s not Constitutionally required, so please explain why you are bringing this up.

Hawaii is one of the poorest states in the Union and is quite corrupt, politically. I mention this to illustrate that money talks, and BS walks in Hawaii.

Hawa'ii is probably richer and less corrupt than whatever Southern red-state crap hole most Birfers call home.

You try to come off as just making a “reasonable” request to see a certain document but you are just another babbling right-wing nut. People argue that the “Messiah” (a load of right-wing crap in itself) must be a natural born citizen because it has already been proven that he is exactly that.

You foks are the ones dragging this out and nobody outside the South buys it a all.

I’m not a “Birther”…

And Nixon was not a crook.

What the hell are you if not a Birther?

Then I guess I'd better hurry on down to Allegheny County to get my REAL birth certificate since all Pennsylvania gave me was a lousy Certification of Birth that didn't include my height, weight, footprint, name of the doctor, or anything else. I'm shocked, SHOCKED, that such a piece of trash allowed me to get a passport in 2001, or that every employer I've had since 1989 has accepted it without question.

Thank you for enlightening me! I would have spent my whole life in ignorance of Pennsylvania's sloppiness and evilness!

Most people can produce “dozens of first-hand birth and early childhood witnesses”???? Sorry, not true for this 49 year old thanks to the death of all previous generation relatives, most family friends, and pretty much everyone except my alcoholic cousin in Oil City. The only way I know much about my very early childhood is through stories that I was told before my relatives got old and, y'know, *died*.

What a bunch of irrelevant hooey.

Interracial marriages were not illegal in Hawaii in 1961, or well before that, as anyone who's so much as seen an episode of Hawaii 5-0 would realize.

Also, there are a lot of dark-complected Hawaiians who are descended from Samoans, Polynesians, or ethnic Hawaiians, or even certain Chinese ethnic groups. Many of them have surnames that aren't all that different from “Obama,” as any look at a Hawaiian phone directory or an NFL roster than contains Samoans would show.

Sorry, but you lose. Now go do something useful, like volunteer at a soup kitchen.

He HAS provided LEGAL documentation. The COLB is the ONLY form of legal proof in Hawaii since 2000. The legitimate reason for refusal is that he KNOWS he is a natural born citizen, having taught Constitutional Law, and he is laughing hysterically at the frantic antics of the right wing which is fraught with cognitive rigidity.

I remember George W. He's the one with the father who was actually born in Germany as George HW Scharff. He became President. I want to see George HW Bush's birth certificate. Everything he did in office and everything his son did must be overturned. It's the patriotic thing to do. Let's hear it from the birthers on this subject.

Well, pr, here’s the basic problem with that. Everybody Knew! It was in his books. So, why is it not one single reputable constitutional scholar agrees with your assessment. Could it be because “Natural born citizen” means born in the country? Maybe that’s why only blowers try to pass this crap off as knowledge…shows they have none though.

BATTLE HYMN OF THE UNSINKABLE BIRTHERS!
(Sung to the tune of “The Battle Hymn of? the Republic”)

Mine eyes have not yet seen
Obama's birth certificate.
It is in the Devil's Vault,
Where only God's Right Hand can get.
Obama's C. O. L. B. is a
Lousy counterfeit.
It's truth we're marching for!!!!

Orly! Orly! Hallelujah!!!
Orly! Orly! Hallelujah!!!
Orly! Orly! Hallelujah!!!
It's truth we're marching for!!!!

We shall fight the Masked Usurper
On the beaches, in the hills.
We shall fight this Painted Joker
On the seas and in the fields.
We shall fight to Hell and back
And into court and with appeals.
It's truth we're marching for!!!!

Orly! Orly! Hallelujah!!!
Orly! Orly! Hallelujah!!!
Orly! Orly! Hallelujah!!!
It's truth we're marching for!!!!

(Author grants permission to reprint on web or in print and to perform in public)

That’s an excellent question, Jim. Notes from the founding fathers and their reference, The Law of Nations indicate that being born of parentS who were both citizens ,was part of the criteria. I guess time will tell. . .eventually the SCOTUS is going to have to take up the question.

Sorry PR, if there was still any question we’d be hearing academia arguing about both sides. No, the question’s already been answered…you just don’t like it. But, you know what, that doesn’t matter. You’re just a nobody with no idea what you’re talking about…carry on to your heart’s content.

Nice try, Jim, but that’s not true. It’s currently being discussed in court and there is considerable discussion over the question. Oh, we’re both nobodys, Jim. You really should learn to temper your emotions. Time will tell.

First-hand witnesses can include:
*hospital staff (docturs, nurses, candy-stripers)
*family of other parents in the maternity ward
*ambulance crews and taxi drivers
*neighbors who saw baby J. Doe being brought home

SOMEBODY should've recalled a mixed-race child, in Hawai'i (where there were few black-white children and in an era when interracial marriages were still ILLEGAL in some states), particularilly one with an unusual name, who went on to become quite famous.

Interracial marriages were illegal in parts of the country, though not in Hawai'i. At any rate, there was still a great deal of hostility to white-black marriages ANYWHERE in the country. Lots of East Asian-European mixed marriages, but NOT black-white ones. Certainly, VERY few pipe-smoking Kenyans with British accents married to young, Midwestern girls…

I don't think there are many South Pacific native people with the name 'Hussein'. As for the 'certain Chinese ethnic groups' of which you speak, I don't think Honolulu has ever been host to a large Hui population.

Actually, it’s just getting thrown out of court again. And if you want to keep looking like an idiot, that’s up to you. It was known well before Obama was a candidate that his father was Kenyan, so if there was any question if he was a nbc, it would have been hashed out long ago and not by some neurotic bleach blond with a messiah complex. But, if she’s your type, keep right on running around with your nose stuck up her a$$, it’s fitting for nutcases like you.

Poor Orly and the birther brigade. Everytime she's on TV, it's just 30 more days until Barack is out of office and that's been going on for awhile. As long as there are enough idiots to keep giving her money, I imagine she'll be around until she's disbarred. Hopefully, California will disbar her soon.

Nothing in the exchange between Orly and Judge Carter could be construed as a victory for the birthers. It is apparent that Judge Carter is having a hard time finding that they have any standing in the courts. When he rules as such, then he'll be accused of treason.

At minute 11;25 Judge Carter dismisses the case and fines Orly for bringing a frivolous matter before the court.

At minute 11:26 the state of California bar association begins disbarrment proceeding against Orly Tait for unethical actions.

Well, this is my last post. I'm done. You win. Now you can go on and on and on among yourselves with snide comments. Goodbye.

Birther retards must really stop talking about Hawaii as if they know anything about it. It is not as depicted in the Brady Bunch special.

Hawaii is the most racially diverse state in the union and has been since before it’s recognition as a US state. Mixed birth babies have been comonplace there since the early 19th century because of its early agricultural workers of mixed ethnicity living in very close quarters. Mixed race residents are the -norm- in Hawaii and have been for a long time.
Hawaii had the 4th highest per capita income of any state in the Union in 1990 and the highest mean wage of any state. Unless every beach in Hawaii is no longer dotted with multi-billion dollar hotels, I figure those numbers haven’t changed a whole lot since I left.
Hawaii is amoung the leanest infrastructures of any state in the union and the most rigorous immagration controls as they deal with foreign visitors more than any state in the union besides New York.
Less than 15% of Hawaiian residents have lived in the islands all of their lives. It is an agricultural community where people who share schools and churches are often separated by hundreds of miles of coastline. I went to Grade School, middle school and High School in Hawaii. If I found out the next 5 Presidents of the United States were my classmates I’d have maybe a 1 in 500 chance of rememberring anything about any of them.

As far as nobody remembering Barack Obama being born in their hospital, seriously? Do you remember who you served hamburgers to on your 72nd day of working at McDonnalds? Would you remember anything about them if they were the next president of the United States? It’s a job, they protect the health of hundreds of people daily, year-round. They don’t build personal relationships that they recall 50 years later, the pull babies out of pregnant people and try not to kill anyone. If hospital staff remembers you at all, you were a monumental a-hole to them. That much is true no matter what State you live in but I through it in because you all are being silly about this.

The world doesn’t work like a conspiracy theory. Take a look around you mouth off about parts of the country you’re massively ignorant about.

Hey at least AXJ has some evidence, the others I don't see any.

Has anybody read through the 30,000 posts on AXJ? They make a lot of sense.

Why would someone hide their Birth Certificate or publish a phony document on the internet? Just doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

Boo hoo. Many of your comments were plenty snide, so don't act so indignant, stuffed shirt. And don't let the door hit your candy ass on the way out

Hawaii is lying and when they declared that Barry is a natural born citizen, they stuck their foot in it. Now they have to prove their assertion. It's gonna be interesting.

The birth certificate is irrelevant and immaterial anyway. Barry's father was a Kenyan national and a British subject. Barry can NOT be eligible regardless of where he was born.

AXJ has evidence. Like what a doctored photograph. 3 fake birth certificates. Articles plagued with errors.

Stop praying on peoples insecurities, and disillusions.

Trust me the issue is not that complicated. Only one requirement is need. that is confirmation of by a government agency responsible for births. Yes, that requirement has been met.

Honestly, it is not that complicated.

It seems Ms. Taitz is more concerned with the attention she is getting than working within legal principles. I mean that she doesn't do any research on the merits of her case, but still gives the crowd catch phrases. She loves to get on her soap box a speech like your average conspiracy theorist, but can never answer any questions.

I hope she represents herself if she does get disbarred, they would most likely ask for her degree back also.

I can see why. So the author can what it while trying to hold back their laughter.

Much like Palin, she is a failure at her professed trade, and much like Palin she will follow the cult of personality calling far afield but it's all good, no? This is the era of celebrity—-Orly is gettin' her ticket punched one way or the other

http://misstickly.wordpress.com/2009/10/04/our-…

THIS IS STUNNING RESEARCH

Using the Nevada and Federal standards describing the requirements to submit, document and obtain verification of vital birth records, Terri Tickly comprehensively draws our attention to the fact that the publicly-seen and allegedly authentic BHO certificate is really a 'document-change request in progress' and on file and pending verification of fact.

Documents “Filed by Registrar” as opposed to “Accepted by Registrar” are two different things– and the public has been kept in ignorance of these facts. This new information may be another significant evidentiary break in this case.

Pfft. Palin's nowhere near that bugfuck crazy. At least she knew when to quit.

*ba-dum-pssh*

Was the $20K fine enough? Maybe when Taitz becomes a real lawyer she will appreciate what just happened. I wonder if she is a mail order bride, just like her law degree? She is perfect reporter material for “Fake News”, where unfounded rumors and innuendo reign supreme , unlike a our US courts of law, where you need to present documented facts, not half baked lies (prepare for more failures). When flies get too close to the lights they get burned, Taitz just got burned, thing is, like a fly she will continue, no end in sight. Poor little Birthers they are haters not debaters.

A lawyer, dentist, realtor and black belt, wow I must say a JACK of all trades master of none.

Stunning? Hardly. Just more of the same from the birthers. What amazes me is that Orly claims 85% of Americans question his legitimacy to be President. I wonder how that could be when he won the election by a landslide? Verification was done prior to him running for president. Had Orly or anyone else really had a case against him, they should have brought it up before the electorate voted. No federal judge can remove him from office. All of you birthers are living in a fantasy world. Keeps life interesting and entertaining, though.

Oh! But she won't work for Faux News. According to here, they're owned by the Saudis. This woman has more than a screw loose. The guy that wrote this has done the best job so far in describing her and with great sarcasm.

http://www.universitychronicle.com/opinions/dea…

Who was this and why should I care?

Good thing you left because you don't make a damned bit of sense.

Hawaii has had many mixed race people for over a century. Please go read a history book or two instead of polluting your mind with birfer crap.

The legality or illegality of interracial marriages in other states in 1961 is not relevant. They *were* legal in Hawaii in 1961, and there are plenty of biracial people there, including Polynesians and native Hawaiians who are darker skinned than either the President or his father..

I personally know a Han Chinese woman who is almost as dark as the President, and there are plenty of Asian/Pacific Islander surnames that aren't far off from “Obama.” Unless you are seriously stating that the President's parents introduced him as “Hussein” to their neighbors and friends, the middle name is not relevant.

Please stop polluting the Internet with your bigotry. It is very unattractive.

Where your argument falls apart is trying to suggest that Hawaii is in the southern U.S. Let us see their must have been many people of Japanese decent, Chinese decent, Native Hawaii decent, to name a few living Hawaii 50 years ago.

Honestly, before you make yourself any silly please do some for of research.

Three words “You're a moron.” “Filed” and “Accepted” are two different things? In the context that “Filed” is used means to be put into storage. From what I understand in the birth certificate you are attempting to discredit the words “Filed by Registrar” was used.

What is asininely stupid is your assertion “the public has been kept in ignorance of these facts.” Both those words are English words, there are not foreign words. Stunning Research? A proper phrase would be “A Cheap Deception.”

Honestly, a native English speaker will call you a fool for believe such nonsense.

Thus, I am calling you a fool. Next, time you want to manipulate the English language into distort the meaning for words. Don't do it.

In the world Orly Taitz lives in, if she was disbarred she would present herself as a martyr. She has already given indications that she would not pay it. To be willing to risk ones law career on a conspiracy theory is just not worth it. But, it seems Ms. Taitz seems to enjoy the attention, even though most is ridicule.

Really Adam, let’s do a little math here. Obama’s 49 years old, that means if someone was around 30 at that time, they’d be about 80 now. I doubt a lot of 80 year-olds are worried about a single child born in a hospital they worked in…probably a lot more interested in their own kids, grandkids, and great-grandkids. BTW, I sure didn’t give a crap about who else was in the hospital giving birth when my kids were being born, I had much more important and happier things to worry about than someone elses kids.

Really Adam, let’s do a little math here. Obama’s 49 years old, that means if someone was around 30 at that time, they’d be about 80 now. I doubt a lot of 80 year-olds are worried about a single child born in a hospital they worked in…probably a lot more interested in their own kids, grandkids, and great-grandkids. BTW, I sure didn’t give a crap about who else was in the hospital giving birth when my kids were being born, I had much more important and happier things to worry about than someone elses kids.

The correct spelling is Oily Taintz.

OMG
Terri Tickly is terribly tricky and confoundingly comprehensive in her mundane mission to unseat the Usurper.
Stunning

“Well, this is my last post. I'm done”

Promises, promises. . . . .

What the hell does the proceedure used by Navada have to do with Hawaii?

This is getting a bit tiresome. Name calling by either side is a bit childish. I won’t claim that I have never done it my self, however, it detracts from the central arguments here.

I suppose it is symptomatic that this particular subject has pretty much died out in terms of any new issues to discuss.

”Hawaii is one of the poorest states in the Union.”</>

Actually Hawaii ranks 5th in per capita budget spending with one of the lowest (ranked 47th in all staters) deficits as a percentage of spending.

”Hawaii is . . . . quite corrupt, politically”

This article in the New York Times
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/14/weekinreview/…
puts Hawaii in the middle and bottom of the pack as far as corruption goes.

Sorry, Anti, I just don't understand what central arguments you're talking about. We've seen all that the blowers have to offer, and to call it BS would be an insult to BS…it's worse. After a while, their made-up arguments and total ignorance just leads inevitably to the final conclusion. They're just a bunch of bigoted hicks who don't want a half-black person as president. Then, all you're left with is laughing and insulting them, since they have nothing to debate and aren't intelligent enough to see that.

Birfer porn is about as low as it gets.
Namecalling isn't particularly edifying, but then to offer a serious legal rebuttal to every loopy Birfer accusation is kinda like lecturing monkeys that flinging their sh*t isn't very sanitary.I'm resigned to the class of people I'm dealing with here and while I'm not proud of responding in kind I won't apologize for it either.

Chris, I started out being respectful, courteous, and took the time to listen to their arguments and click on their “proof”. After a while, you realize they have nothing but their own little delusional worlds that have no connection with reality. So, I tend to treat them like they've treated me…they deserve no less.

The guy on this thread earlier (“FirstShirt”) was an interesting case in point: Although somewhat more civil than the typical Birfer, he annoyed by trying to claim he actually wasn't one, all the while carrying their water and tossing snide Obama-bashing barbs left & right—-then he announces, in a huff, that he's leaving because we're too 'snide' for him.
Kinda rubbed me the wrong way, so I sent him packing with a somewhat more brusque farewell than was maybe called for. Oh well.

Terri was actually AXJ-HAWAII and was the first to discover that the numbers on the documents did not even correspond and that filing and accepted is not the same and she knows what is really going on there. All the documents are being redone but the numbers remain and those are soon to be redone as well. It is taking time but soon the documents will be ready. Things like this happen in fascist governments.

Money my friend, just like in Venezuela, not a landslide at all.

Oh! That explains why Terri's research is full of nonsense…

We had nothing to do with those pics but no one has denied them nor has any legal action been taken against the author or the publisher of the pics so they must be true. At this point they are legal evidence and Judge Carter will receive them as evidence.1961 pics showing she was not pregnant. Going to be hard to explain.

We had nothing to do with those pics but no one has denied them nor has any legal action been taken against the author or the publisher of the pics so they must be true. At this point they are legal evidence and Judge Carter will receive them as evidence.1961 pics showing she was not pregnant. Going to be hard to explain.

Your worldview dictates that 'the fix is in' so comprehensively that elections are now irrelevant in this country. If that's the case then you can just crawl into your mom's basement and forget about exposing the 'fraud'. Not so much that no-one cares, but that you and your ilk are now rendered so utterly powerless that you needn't waste your time and effort raging against the Obama machine. By that reasoning the Brownshirts should be hauling you, Orly, Palin, Bachmann, Beck and Limbaugh away any second now. All of your Birfer evidence has been “scrubbed” and your Mission is an abject failure . Behind bars, your carping about the fascist/communist in the White House will be silenced. My cheap Birfer entertainment will be history but hey, small price to pay for deliverance from the far right virus that has scourged this nation for way too long.

Your worldview dictates that 'the fix is in' so comprehensively that elections are now irrelevant in this country. If that's the case then you can just crawl into your mom's basement and forget about exposing the 'fraud'. Not so much that no-one cares, but that you and your ilk are now rendered so utterly powerless that you needn't waste your time and effort raging against the Obama machine. By that reasoning the Brownshirts should be hauling you, Orly, Palin, Bachmann, Beck and Limbaugh away any second now. All of your Birfer evidence has been “scrubbed” and your Mission is an abject failure . Behind bars, your carping about the fascist/communist in the White House will be silenced. My cheap Birfer entertainment will be history but hey, small price to pay for deliverance from the far right virus that has scourged this nation for way too long.

No one has taken action, so the pictures must be true? Give me a break. Why would someone bother to take legal action against something so absolutely asinine.

Say, did you hear that Glenn Beck might have raped and murdered a young girl in the early 1990s?

You are totally delusional.

(1) Judge Carter will dismiss.

(2) In order for photos to be admissible, two things are necessary: first, they have to be relevant. If the purpose of the photos is to prove that Obama's mother posed nude, they aren't relevant. Second, the photos have to be authenticated. That means that someone has to be able to testify based on personal knowledge about the where the photos were taken, who is in them, when they were taken, and that they are not altered.

(3) You keep saying they are from 1961. How do you know this? I see nothing on the photos that indicates the date.

(4) You have stated on several posts that the photos were taken “on the beach” and in the “summer of 1961.” The photos are indoors. There is a Christmas tree with presents under it, and a sign on the wall to the woman's right saying “Merry Christmas.” Please explain how that squares with the photos being taken in the summer, whatever the year. If the photos are of Ann Dunham, and were taken in December 1960, she would have been at most one month pregnant.

Not hard to explain. But I know from experience (i.e., having posted this information before) that you are too scared of the facts to actually reply to any of this.

Yes, I've heard the rumors too! And there is even a website about it. And the website hasn't been taken down. And Glenn Beck hasn't gone on his program to deny the rumors, and he hasn't provided an airtight alibi. What is Glenn Beck hiding? Wake up people!

Are you NUTS?

“No one has denied them”, so they must be true?

“Nor has any legal action been taken… so they must be true”?

The only thing that's “hard to explain” is how you manage to walk around the yard without an escort. Can you even tie your own shoes? Does your IQ reach 83 on a hot day?

You have NO CONCEPT of evidence in our system of jurisprudence. Absolutely none — and your latest idiocy proves the point.

Here's the truth, kid: those pictures are of YOUR mother, taken in 1961, 10 months before she gave birth to YOU. Don't ask how we know this. By your standards, we are not required to tell, nor to provide evidence for a single assertion. Like you, we just say it. No proof required.

No one has denied that they are of YOUR mother, so 'they must be true'. Furthermore, “At this point they are legal evidence.”

Idiot. Contemptible, cretinous idiot.

You are totally delusional.

(1) Judge Carter will dismiss.

(2) In order for photos to be admissible, two things are necessary: first, they have to be relevant. If the purpose of the photos is to prove that Obama's mother posed nude, they aren't relevant. Second, the photos have to be authenticated. That means that someone has to be able to testify based on personal knowledge about the where the photos were taken, who is in them, when they were taken, and that they are not altered.

(3) You keep saying they are from 1961. How do you know this? I see nothing on the photos that indicates the date.

(4) You have stated on several posts that the photos were taken “on the beach” and in the “summer of 1961.” The photos are indoors. There is a Christmas tree with presents under it, and a sign on the wall to the woman's right saying “Merry Christmas.” Please explain how that squares with the photos being taken in the summer, whatever the year. If the photos are of Ann Dunham, and were taken in December 1960, she would have been at most one month pregnant.

Not hard to explain. But I know from experience (i.e., having posted this information before) that you are too scared of the facts to actually reply to any of this.

Yes, I heard that rumor as well so it is probably true. That in addition to the 'fact' that Glenn Beck sniffed glue in high school. It sure is easy to say things and have them be true, isn't it?

Hate to burst your bubble but Judge Carter is going to dismiss this case just as every other judge has.

“Soon, soon.” The plaintive warble of the birfer bird — “soon, soon, soon.” How was your big Washington, D.C. protest last week? You know, the one you said would draw thousands of you birfers, and would be capped by the President's resignation, the arrest of Biden, Pelosi, et al?

You birfers kind of remind me of the people who believe in the “Rapture” — they are always convinced it is just about to occur, and only they know the secret.

“Soon, soon, soon.”

Sorry, I don't think we're 'friends'. It's interesting that you would deny that the majority of the people in this country voted for Obama. I'd say 9 out of 10 people I know voted for him and I'm in a state that used to be red. Typical of a birfer though. You probably don't even have to buy those Bubba teeth they sell as novelties in convenience stores, do you? Just a natural look for you.

What, are you just another stupid Obamabot? Let me explain:

Obama was sworn in as the 44th President of the United States.

He was sworn in twice.

2 x 44 = 88

The “natural born citizen” provision is in Article II, Section 1, Clause 4 of the Constitution.

2 + 1 + 4 = 7

88 + 7 = 95.

Hawaii was admitted to the Union in 1959.

1959 – 95 = 1864.

The ONLY state admitted to the Union in 1864 was Nevada.

Get it?

Best damn explanation I have seen all day…LMAO!!

I don't mind saying, that made a heck of a lot more sense than most of the blower arguments I've seen on this site! LMFAO!!! excellent job!

I deny them.

There. I guess that takes care of that, right? If nobody denies it, it's true. Denied = False.

Birthtard.

We would like to point out that 'AXJ ROCKS' has confirmed that the photos of the naked woman on the beach are actually of his own mother. He has confirmed this himself. He has not denied it. He has failed to deny it. He cannot deny it.

In fact, his silence on the matter is proof conclusive that these photos are of his own mother.

He has taken no legal action against the publisher of those photos. This PROVES that they are of his own mother.

At this point, they are legal evidence.

We will be presenting this evidence to Judge Carter. They're going to be hard for you to explain, AXJ Rocks.

Remember — you had a chance to deny the truth of these photos, and you had a chance to defend your own mother's honor — but you failed to do so. You stand condemned.

BTW, where was Glenn Beck in 1990? He hasn't denied that one either. Which makes that story true. Yes?

Were you with him? Jeez. Please, please deny it. With proof. If you can.

Lets get one thing straight anti-birthers. AXJ is just a forum and it rocks.

So what you are saying is that Obama's pic of a supposed Certificate of Live Birth is true but the supposed pics of his mother are not?

Guess that is Democrat-Liberal rational thinking there.

I knew it!

AXJ ROCKS has failed to deny that the photos of the naked woman on the beach are actually of his own mother. You see?

He has had hours to issue a denial, and to sue the publisher of those photos. But he has failed to do so.

Why? What is he hiding? What is he hiding from?

At this point, his silence is legal evidence. We will be presenting those photographs of his mother on the beach to Judge Carter, and let him decide.

This is a SERIOUS matter, and deserves the time of the Court. All the time it takes. Days. Weeks. Months. Whatever it takes. These are serious photographic charges, and must be decided in court!

AXJ's mother's honor must be protected. If AXJ won't do it, we will.

Who needs evidence when we have no evidence?

The Certificate of Live Birth, an official document with the seal of Hawaii stamped into it, has the name of Barack Hussein Obama on it. What name is on the pictures? Are they certified by the state to be pictures of Stanly Ann Dunham? What proof do yuour have that they are her? Whpo took the pictures? Who has had possession of the pictures for the last 48 years? Who has authenticated the subject and date they were taken? Can you answer all thos questions?

You are totally right. Orly is presenting the pics as evidence and if Obama wants to dispute them he should have done it when they were first posted. But you know the most interesting part, there is a witness to the pics from 1961 that has sworn she was not pregnant in summer of 1961. Guess that says it all. You see anti-birthers, the truth got out sooner than later.

Yes, but only Judge Carter will know. Orly is probably presenting them now.

The COLB? The numbers don't match and it only says presented…not admitted…It is a fake, get over it.

A witness has come forward.

This is a very good thing. When it is proved that these photos are, in fact, of your own mother, the case will be blown wide open.

We have THREE witnesses to the fact that the naked woman on the beach is YOUR mother. THREE. With affidavits. Notarized.

We note with fascination that you haven't even tried to deny it.

Why? Because you can't. You know it's true.

By trying to shift the blame, you are trying to cover up for your own mother. Strange how this sort of thing works, isn't it? The truth is getting out sooner than you ever imagined.

See you in court!

We have THREE witnesses.

These photos of the woman on the beach is YOUR mother.

We note that you have had numerous opportunities to deny this evidence, and you have failed to do so.

Why? What are you hiding? What are you hiding from?

We have now found a website which contains the photos on the beach of AJX Rocks' own mother. These are the photos purported to be of Mr Obama's mother, but turn out to be of AXJ Rock's own mother.

There are two new photos, previously suppressed.

This website also names the three witnesses to this fact.

It's an easy Google to go from AXJ to the un-denied photos of HIS OWN MOTHER. Don't believe it?

Look it up. You'll be amazed by what you find.

Please note that AXJ Rocks has had a long time to deny the authenticity of these photos of his own mother, but has failed to do so. Therefore, they must be accepted as incontrovertible evidence.

Happy hunting for his mother's photos on the beach.

More idiotic drool from Sam Sewell?

More idiotic drool from Sam Sewell?

Sock puppets are not considered valid witnesses in a U.S. court.

Freak.

Better be a whole lot better than the “witness” in Georgia who swore the Attorney General (who he had never met or even seen in person) was in Georgia in a coffee shop across from the courthouse when he was actually in California. Must have been the AG's doppelganger. And it better be someone who was present at the time pictures were taken that has the authority to circulate these pictures.

I think deep down inside the people that spread these lies are racist. But that is not necessarily why they are against Obama. Most people are racist to some extent, Black White, Latino, Asian, we all have our prejudices. I think it is really democracy that the Birthers hate. It is all good when the Republicans are in office, but as soon as someone is in there with different views all of a sudden it is time for character assassination. Face it America, there are a lot of different views out there, you're not going to agree with them all. Reasonable people can have reasonable disagreements with out resorting to the name calling and lies. I am sick of it, it is immature, immoral and down right unAmerican.

You make an excellent point.

All of us are capable of racist attitudes, but most of us try not to practice them. We accept that we are capable of prejudice, but try to grow beyond it. Mostly, we strive as best we are able to live the American ideal. Sometimes we fail.

On the issue of legitimacy, it is a recurring phenomenon of our politics. Many Republicans doubted Mr Clinton's first election because of the Ross Perot factor, and made a very big deal of the fact that he did not win a majority of the popular vote.

Interestingly, that was NOT their view when Mr Gore won the popular vote against GW Bush. Then, they adopted another line altogether. Republicans thought Mr Clinton 'stole' the former, and Democrats that Mr Bush 'stole' the latter.

I hear from very few of my Republican friends any question at all about Mr Obama's legitimacy in holding office. Criticism? Of course? Fundamental capacity? Not at all. Only the crazies hold that weird view.

The GOP's singular problem at present is that their party has been captured by nut cases. Birthers, 9/11 conspiracists, tea baggers, anti-evolutionists, No-Nothings, and such radio clowns as Mr Beck and Mr Limbaugh have set the agenda — and the GOP offers no sensible, countervailing leadership. None.

This is not the GOP that has contributed so greatly to our political identity. This is not the GOP of the great Gov Tom McCall, for example, and all of his spiritual antecedents. It should in fairness be noted that Pres Nixon created the EPA. Would today's GOP do such a thing? Not likely.

My Democrat friends cherish every moment that Orly Taitz, Glenn Beck and all the crazies hog the rightwing limelight. They believe it makes their task much, much easier next time. They are probably correct.

I have to admit, for a period there, I did question Bush's legitimacy, especially when several independent studies found that Gore actually won Florida. Over the the years I have come to the conclusion that to win an election, you have to win it by more than a narrow margin or it is really up in the air. That fact actually pushed me very hard to get Obama elected. I apologize to those who voted for Bush and what that did to our country.

I feel that in many ways the shoe is on the other foot now. When I expressed reasonable doubt as to the actions of our country after 911 I was called unAmerican, it hurt. Many of those same people are now being called the same and they know now how much it hurts. We all love this country, Democrats, Republicans, Obama, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan ect…. I just wish that cooler heads would interject. Bush Sr. said the insults are getting out of hand, I wish Colin Powell was more vocal.

I am what could be called a conservative Democrat. I hold views of both parties, but tend to vote for more democrats. Since I am very politically active I usually help some Democrat, who's views I share, try to win office.

You are totally right, nobody is in charge of the Republicans now so nobody has accountability. It has become a party run by who ever screams the loudest. They have used the sins of the past as an excuse to take things as far as they have ever been taken, in the 9 short months that Obama has been in office. (And lets face it the first 6 months were dedicated to setting up his cabinet and fixing the financial meltdown.) It is probably true that this makes it almost impossible for the GOP to win elections in the near future, but it is tearing our country apart.

I don't know what could be done to fix this rift in our country, to make people accept that not everybody agrees with them. I try to fight fire with water, fight hate with love. By shouting the same hateful rhetoric back at them, we only egg them on.

I honestly am glad that the Right has learned how to protest. The teaparties, in spite of all the craziness, is really an exercise in democracy that I have not seen come from the right. I wish they would get involved in other ways as well, such as funding campaigns, going out and volunteering their time to candidates, and running for office themselves. That is how the constitution is supposed to be honored.

And to the democrats who read this: When insults are thrown at you and the president it is insulted and lied about, it can be very hard not to do the same. I know, I have been called about every hateful name in the book since I have been trying to fight the smears against Obama. We have to show restraint, our else we lower ourselves to their level. That which unites us as a country is much stronger than that which divides us. YES WE CAN, bridge the divide in this country.

Was a black president elected? I hadn't noticed. I seems to me, that for a candidate to be elected, they need to meet the qualifications set in the US Constitution. If Barack H. Obama II, was born in Hawaii, and his mother was a US citizen (in fact NBC); but his father was not a US citizen, then how do you conclude he is eligible for POTUS?

Vattel’s Law of Nations: § 212. Citizens and natives

The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens.

Finally, the Supreme Court of the United States, in Minor v. Happersett, confirmed the definition of an Article II natural born citizen as “children born in a country of parents who were its citizens”.

Hey Border Raving: if you really hadn't noticed, it is certainly NOT because you are color blind.

Quoting Vattel? Now THAT'S a stretch. An unpatriotic stretch, too. Not even American. Why do you hate Americans?

Your up to date source, apparently the best you could find, lived from 1714 to 1767. He was Swiss. He was also advisor to one King Augustus III of Saxony. The Kingdom of Saxony was extinguished in 1918. Perhaps you hadn't noticed that either.

No less strangely, you failed to notice that your 'Kenyan birth certificate' is a certified fraud.

Orly Taitz told me that YOU were born in Atlantis.

And why were you with Glenn Beck in 1990? You guys are good fun. Thanks!

Ah, yes, Border Raving: your bizarre assertion of 'Minor v Happersett' as having relevance is telling.

You failed to disclose that 'Virginia Minor v Reese Happersett' was a case before the USSC in — wait for it — 1874! How very current you are. 1874.

That decision confirmed the 'right' of the State of Missouri to deny the vote to the female citizens of our nation. (Drives you nuts, doesn't it? You don't like women either.) Perhaps you haven't noticed but.. guess what? Women are now allowed to vote. Yes, yes they can.

This particular ruling, well, I don't know how to break this to you but, well, it no longer applies. It is not valid. Not applicable to anyone. Anywhere.

Shhh. Don't tell. Women are now allowed to vote. Even in Missouri.

You guys are such easy targets.

I too am glad the right is exercising their right to dissent and demonstrate; When they fail to get instant gratification for their efforts, however, will be the crux. We know there are budding Tim McVeighs out there (the fringies blogging here come to mind) and if democracy doesn't immediately accomodate each of their real & imagined grievances we'll see where they turn next.

Barack H. Obama Sr, was born in Kenya, and was a British citizen, who intercoursed with Stanley Ann Dunham, a USA citizen. The pair later married in a ceremony, in Hawaii. Later, while living in Hawaii, Stanley Ann Dunham gave birth to Barack H. Obama II.

[quote]FactCheck.org Clarifies Barack’s Citizenship

“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.

Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4,1982.”[/quote]

Assuming Sen. Obama, was born in Hawaii, to one USA citizen parent, then he would never need to worry about nationality, as he is a USA citizen born to at least one citizen on USA soil. No contest, I agree with FactCheck, he is a USA citizen.

HOWEVER, since both parents were not US citizens, as the records show, as FactCheck admits, and he has stated so, then he fails to qualify as a USA Natural Born Citizen.

Clearly, FactCheck in their statement admits Sen. Obama, was born to one British citizen parent. Therefore, how can anyone logically conclude Sen. Obama, is more than a USA citizen? Sen. Obama, qualifies for and can run for any public office, with the exception of POTUS.

Sen. Obama, is equal in civil rights to, but less eligible for POTUS than, a USA NBC.

Sen. Obama, never qualified for the office of POTUS, therefore was ineligible to be a candidate. He should not have been considered for the race. If the exposure is embarassing for him and his family, then he faces the blame along with Nancy Pelosi.

Sen. Biden, was not vetted as a candidate, as his NBC eligibilty was not verified, therefore Se. Byrd (93), succeeds to POTUS, and Clinton to VP. When Byrd dies, then Hillary Rodham-Clinton will be POTUS.

Typical Birfer stream-of-consciousness babbling. If your infantile fantasy of deposing the President were to somehow come true, this nonsense about Byrd and Clinton would, of course, have nothing to do with the Constitutional rules of succession.
So I'm guessing that when the Cap'n is comatose from his meds cycle, you are flyin' high and turn into a typin', yakety-yakkin' babbler, coming up with these preposterous drug-fueled delusions.
Un-frickin-believable

OMG, you cannot possibly believe all that nonsense about the president not being eligible to be president and Joe Biden not being eligible and so on. The top guy of the Supreme Court, remember him? He was appointed by a republican and is a conservative. If there was any truth to your supposition's, don't you think that John Roberts would be on top of it? He is the Chief Justice of the group that is responsible for making sure the Constitution is upheld. If any of you birthers were right, don't you think the man who swore in the president would have spoke up by now? Or at least not participated in the inauguration. Think people. Use your heads for more than hat racks and hair styles. The facts about President Obama have been well known for some time now. We knew his story. A bi-racial child of a woman from Kansas and a man from Kenya. Born in Hawaii where his parents had met at college. There has been no question about it. The Chief Justice of the Supreme Court would not have stood silently by if the president was not a natural born citizen. He is legitimate and no court will find otherwise. You are being led down the primrose path by that crazy “attorney” that doesn't even know how to file cases and evidently doesn't think the judges have any power to punish her for her lack of proper procedure and absolute refusal to listen to what she is being told. When that 30 days is up, she is going to be oh so surprised at what can happen to her for ignoring the judge. I, for one, look forward to her receiving her just desserts.

Wait, folks, there's been a bit of progress here.

Raving Boarder no longer cites obscure 18th C Swiss legal advisors, nor obsolete 19th C USCS rulings that forbade women the right to vote.

He no longer trades in counterfeit documents, and has given up pretending that Mr Obama was born in Kenya.

In fact, he appears to concede that he was (surprise!) born in Hawaii.

What's next? Will he concede that Hawaii is a state?

Stay tuned.

Differences of opinion on policy issues is one thing. What they are doing is far more than expressing differences on policy, they are spewing hatred of our first black president. They say things like “I want my country back”, when it hasn't gone anywhere. They never imagined the hand on the helm would be so dark and they can't stand it. They all deny it is race based but never has the vitriol been quite as extreme as what we have seen with the teabaggers and town hall'ers or the birthers led by the worst, Orly Taitz. Have your listened to her? This woman has said in interviews that people need to take up arms against the government. I have never heard so much hatred being directed at the one person who wants to work with all, across all lines. This is not what we are supposed to be doing. This is not the way we are supposed to disagree.

As far as the right not knowing how to protest or demonstrate, they have sweemed to do quite well all these years protesting at health clinics that perform abortions and killing doctors who perform abortions. I don't think they need any help, they have already learned how to be destructive and interfere with women's rights.

that should be “they seemed to do quite well all these years”

AXJ does not accept this marriage simply because no marriage document exists.

Prove otherwise.

AXJ does not accept that Stanley Ann Dunham gave birth to any such child in 1961.

Her pics of summer of 1961 show she was not pregnant. Prove otherwise.

Dr. Orly Taitz' $20,000 statement to the judge: Why are you afraid to speak up, to stand up for you constitution? Why are you afraid to tell this arrogant jerk from Africa and Indonesia- You need to go home, you cannot be a president and commander in chief because you are not a Natural born Citizen. To be a Natural born Citizen you have to have both parents as citizens. Your father was never a US citizen and you don’t qualify and you also spit us in the face by refusing to unseal your vital records. There is no proof that you are even a citizen. For all we know, you need to go back to Kenya and wait for your green card, and that after we try you for all the crimes perpetrated upon American citizens.

She's a nut and you must be too!

The pictures of the woman on the beach in 1961 are of YOUR mother.

Prove otherwise.

Are you a communist?

Why do you hate America?

Why do you encourage treasonous conduct?

You are more Red than you will ever admit.

Go back to Moldova, RED Graham.

Don't have to. Our president is sitting in the White House and will stay there because it doesn't matter what you think. Many more of us know the truth and you can all wail and gnash your teeth or whatever and it will have no effect. He will still be sitting in the White House, signing bills into law, deciding foreign policy, passing health care reform and so many other things. You are not important to the grand scheme of things, just another little blip in time.

Not if Judge Carter orders discovery…

Which he almost certainly won't.

Besides, since when do risque Christmas pictures of an unidentified woman translate to nude summer beach shots of the President's mother? YOU prove that those pictures were even taken in 1961, or show Stanley Ann Dunham, or were taken outdoors, or during the summer. Are you blind, that you missed the “MERRY CHRISTMAS” sign on the wall?

most nutty people are pretty much harmless to themselves & others, but this kind of loony, hooked up to this much hate is simply unnacceptable in a civilized society. I hope these subhumans are being monitored.

I like to think that there might be a tiny slice of upside somewhere to all of this hate-spewage—-like for instance maybe you are not torturing an animal in your garage or beating on your child be cause you have an internet outlet for all this irrational rage

Well, here's her appeal. Doesn't look like she responded to any of the Judge's points, which is no surprise.

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/documents/2009…

Wonder if she was going for 30?

Whaaah, whaaah, whaaah,

AXJ is throwing a temper tanturm. again.

The judges response will be: “what color jumpsuit do you want? orange or orange?”

That’s because it is immaterial what a judge thinks, it’s only what Orly thinks that matters.

My guess is that the Appelate Court will deny her appeal outright without comment.

Actually AXJ's mom's pics are on tubgirl.com

So he's been reduced to arguing that Wong Kim Ark is wrong.

Good luck on that.

Hi Jim. Thanks for posting. I just read her 'appeal', and urge others to do the same. Such reading will, I believe, justify every single point made by Judge Land in his sanction.

The well-known dentist Orly Taitz, Esq, shows every sign of what we know to be true. She never attended law school. She never participated in moot court. She never worked as apprentice in a legal office. Her 'appeal' is gibberish, composed in equal measure of parenthetical participles, dangling modifiers, double negatives, and every other sign of a second-rate education.

A competent lawyer must be able to speak and write coherent English. Orly Taitz, Esq, can do neither. In her ceaseless obsession with media, she sounds like one of the Hungarians on Green Acres. In a formal legal submission? Like a semi-literate woman on the edge of a breakdown.

She is now accusing Judge Land of being participant in fraud, Mr Obama of leading a fraud ring, and notes — darkly — that one of the addresses associated with the alleged SSN fraud in is “Judge Land's own district.” My God. What will these evil doers think of next?

No rational citizen reading this latest 'appeal' can draw any conclusion than that this woman is nuts. Judge Land is correct, and will not be over-ruled.

Orly Taitz will soon be disbarred, and find it even more difficult to fight off the numerous dental practice lawsuits she has attracted.

The nets are now just a step behind this lunatic.

Let's see….

1. The President was born in Hawaii to an American citizen. He therefore is natural-born and qualified to hold office. STRIKE ONE.

2. The Vice President was born in America to American citizens. He therefore is natural-born and qualified to be President should something happen to President Obama. STRIKE TWO.

3. Should something happen to both the President and the Vice President, the next person in line to be President is Speaker Pelosi, who is natural born and qualified. STRIKE THREE.

4. Should something happen to the President, the Vice President, and the Speaker of the House, then and only then would Robert Byrd be considered. He is natural born and qualified, however. YET ANOTHER STRIKE.

5. Only if the President, the Vice President, the Speaker of the House, AND the President pro tempore of the Senate are all dead or incapacitated would Secretary Clinton become President. Next in line after her would be Secretary Geithner, Secretary Gates, and so on in order of the Cabinet department's founding until we get either to Secretary Shiseki or Secretary Chu. YOU'RE OUT.

One small example of her general and legal illiteracy will have to suffice. This 'argument' appears on pp 6,7 of her 19 October filing.

“In this appeal, the undersigned counsel will address the critical questions omitted by the court, to show that the court appears never even to have considered, much less addressed or ruled upon, the original Plaintiff's [NB: the one who fired Taitz for unethical practices and professional misconduct] key question of whether an officer's obedience to her constitutional oath is NOT nothing more than a political claim which does not give rise to a case or controversy to be heard in federal court.”

Here, she rises to a personal best: use of a *triple* negative in one incomprehensible sentence. Wow!

If this sort of 'appeal' came in from a federal prisoner with a fourth grade education, it would of course — and rightly — be accepted, with all of its grammatical defects. No problem.

But this semi-literate, conspiratorial rubbish came in from an 'attorney of record'. She disgraces our courts, wastes their time, and gives aid and comfort to the enemies of America.

Please read her 'appeal' in its entirety, and see why this foolish woman embarrasses the profession, and the nation. What a joke.

“Judge Carter, Judge Carter, Judge Carter! We birfers luvvv Judge Carter! Didja know he's a Marine? Smmmmmooooooch! Yes, we just luvvvvv him! He's brave. He's on our side. He understands our arguments. Did I tell you he's gonna give us discovery? And there's gonna be a try-ul on January the 26th, honest tu God! We luvvv him!”

Right up until Judge Carter rules against Orly, at which point it will be:

(1) His law clerk influenced him!
(2) Obama got to him!
(3) We saw Eric Holder in the coffee shop across the street!
(4) Did you know he was appointed by Bill Clinton?

“Waaa, waaa, waaa! We wanted to show Judge Carter our nudie pics!”

And the presents on the floor behind her in the third picture?

I'm going to have to dissagreee with you there. I score that as a quadrupple negative. :)

“Intercourse” is a verb? Who knew! Thank you for that contribution to the English language. You can go back to Moldova now.

Damn right! Because under the U.S. Constitution, an unelected, appointed-for-life federal district court judge in Georgia has the authority to remove a President from office, overturn the results of a national election, and nullify the votes of 69,456,897 Americans who voted for Barack Obama and Joe Biden. Yes, the Founding Fathers knew tyranny when the saw it, and they insisted on giving judges that authority.

“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago.”

One is free to call the Hawaiian Dept of Health if they wish to confirm.
(808) 586-4442

Uh, sorry. I just read through the Constitution and I didn't see the part that gives federal judges authority to remove the President from office. Can somebody point me to it? It must be in there somewhere . . .

You have proven that the pictures are of your mother, by not only failing to prove otherwise, but even failing to deny it. How do you like birfer logic?

Okay, now THAT was awesome.

And this from Alan Keyes ref Obama Kenyan-born newspaper articles”…it would simply indicate that some people in Kenya thought (perhaps mistakenly) that he was born there. Kenyan newspaper stories from 2004 (online or otherwise) are no more definitive proof of Obama's birthplace than uninformative birth announcements in Hawaiian newspapers from 1961.
This episode simply illustrates the need for what I and many others have sought:
a Constitutionally authoritative investigation of the facts;
a similarly authoritative evaluation of its results;
And, based on that evaluation, a Constitutionally authoritative judgment of law and fact as to whether Obama satisfies the Constitution's clear eligibility requirements for the Office of President of the United States.”

2008 Presidential Election Results:

Barack Obama (Democrat) 69,498,516 [52.93%]

Alan Keyes (America’s Independent) 47,746 [0.04%]

The people have spoken.

But take heart, CommieCracker. You have the nucleus of birfer movement there. Enough people to fill a major league ballpark. Of course, we had more people than that at one Obama rally in my city in 2008.

You lost. Try to grasp that fact.

Birthers lose another one. (Kerchner-v-Obama)

http://www.scribd.com/doc/21406205/Kerchner-v-O…

Good to know, and better to read. Yet another foolish and time-wasting birther suit collapses in ignominy and irrelevance.

A challenge to the birthers: you are always complaining about how many tax dollars are spent to defend these lawsuits.

Let's pretend you are sincere.

Because you are sincere, and because YOU brought this latest failed suit, when will you reimburse the US taxpayers for the actual costs you forced upon us?

Tomorrow? End of the month? Thirty days plus interest?

If you REALLY BELIEVE these lawsuits are costing the taxpayers too much money, then step up and do the right thing: pay us back. Now. Right now.

If you refuse to do this, you will again be revealed for the phonies you are.

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“Kenyan-born Obama all set for US Senate
Kenyan-born US Senate hopeful, Barrack Obama…” Now, what's that some keep repeating about Obama being 'born in Hawai'i”???

Look who is wasting OUR tax dollars to lie for Obama! – http://www.publiusforum.com/2009/10/07/the-obam…

The official quote from DOH Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino, does not say Obama was born in Hawaii, the official quote is as follows “There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate. State law (Hawai‘i Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record. Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures. No state official, including Governor Linda Lingle, has ever instructed that this vital record be handled in a manner different from any other vital record in the possession of the State of Hawai‘i,”

Oh Ernie, Ernie: even the discredited rabid right blog you quote has the good sense to qualify its bizarre assertions.

Here's what their site ACTUALLY says: “Obama’s Attorney General, Eric Holder, has apparently hired a cadre of left-wing, Democrat campaign bloggers to troll through the Internet looking for news stories and blog posts that denigrate the Obama agenda.”

NB: “has apparently hired”. “Apparently”.

Can you read English?

Even they admit that they have no actual evidence to back it up. None. No names. No dates. No documents. They have suspicion, dark paranoia, and fear. They have no evidence. If they had evidence, they would produce it. They don't. Instead, they produce illusion. They do not produce evidence.

Ernie: if you had the brains God gave a goose, you would know the difference.

You don't. You won't. Pitiful.

Your fact-free fantasies are enough to give the birthers a bad name.

It is important to understand that NO Court has ruled that Obama has conclusively proven that he was born in Hawaii. It is also important to understand that NO Court has ruled that Obama is an Article II “natural born Citizen.”

trent1280 – Your lies are as obvious as a whore in church.

trent1280 – Look again, fool. The article QUOTES a former member of the DOJ paid blogging team. YOU ARE A CHEAP LIAR.

So, apparently you believe anyone who questions Obama's lack of Constitutional qualifications is a “rabid right winger”? WRONG! I voted for Obama, now I DEMAND to see PROOF, not speculative b/s, showing his TRUE background! Get real, this is not about “right” vs “left”, or “race”, THIS IS ALL ABOUT UPHOLDING THE CONSTITUTION! Be gone with your ad hominem b/s!

Oh Ernie, Ernie: are you nuts? The article quotes NO “former member of the DOJ paid blogging team.” Not one. Never.

Can you read English?

One “Isaac Muzzey” (a pseudonym drawn from our Revolutionary War) is not and never was a blogger for DOJ. Never.

He is, if you could read English, a blogger for MuffledOar, another of these self-referential rabid right blogs you like to use as your “authority”. Even HE doesn't pretend to have worked for DOJ.

Try again, dunce.

It makes all the sense in the world that the person who holds the keys to the massive nuclear arsenal in our possession should be born on US soil to parents who were citizens. If Obama is eligible to be President, then the sons of every despicable despot are also eligible. It’s not like North Korea, Saudi Arabia or Iran are going to let the sons of US citizens lead their countries anytime soon. Are we really going to allow their sons to lead our nation? The framers would never have allowed such a horrific situation to exist. With the natural born citizen clause they protected us against this very scenario. We must protect the protection. A legal fraud is being perpetrated upon this nation through ridicule and straight up major media propaganda. The great weight of authority indicates Obama is not eligible to be President. Whether you agree or disagree, the foregoing are legally established facts.

We believe that the paranoid obsessives who imagine that Mr Obama was actually born in Kenya, or Zanzibar, or raised in a mosque in Indonesia are… well… nuts.

Sorry to be the one to break it to you.

Now, please starting reimbursing the taxpayers for your tax-wasting attempts to subvert our democracy in the courts and elsewhere.

Why do you hate America?

trent1280 – Funny, but EVERYONE is now aware of you DOJ paid liars and all the denial in the world cannot “CYA”. LOL AT YOU, FOOL!

Sorry, Ernie: whores don't attend my church.

I gather they are common in yours.

Ernie, try to be a grownup.

You said, “The article QUOTES a former member of the DOJ paid blogging team.”

Please name the person who is named and QUOTED in the article.

Can't do it? No?

Surprise.

You goofs tell ridiculous lies, and run like ferrets when you get caught.

We ask again: please name the 'DOJ blogger' who is quoted in the article.

We'll wait.

Oh, sad sad Ernie: it's all your fault, you know.

According to you, YOU voted for Mr Obama.

Either you were a dunce then, or are a dunce now.

Maybe both.

Ernie! Please pay attention.

We are still waiting for you to name the DOJ blogger named in the article.

And waiting.

(You guys are so easy.)

Ahem. Ernie. Hello, Ernie!

You've now had 24 minutes to answer our question. You have failed to provide the name of the DOJ blogger who you claim has been hired, per the article you cited.

You wrote, “Look again, fool. The article QUOTES a former member of the DOJ paid blogging team. YOU ARE A CHEAP LIAR.”

So, Ernie, be a man of your word. Help yourself. Please name the “former member of the DOJ paid blogging team” who is QUOTED in the article. No such person exists in the article you cited. No where. Nada.

We're still waiting.

Still waiting.

Waiting.

If you'd like to see how rabid right birthers manufacture and distribute their falsehoods, have fun for a few moments. Follow the goofy assertions of our friend Ernie tonight.

He invited us to “Look who is wasting OUR tax dollars to lie for Obama! – http://www.publiusforum.com/2009/10/07/the-obam…

Apparently he didn't think that anyone would bother to look. I did. The story, published on a right-wing blog, was far more cautious than Ernie.

But, like the notorious Joe McCarthy, Ernie just held up a piece of paper and told us there were communists on it. McCarthy, of course, was eventually found out to be the most lie- and liquor-addled senator in DC — and that is saying a good deal. Ernie was, tonight, found out too. He fibbed, and got caught.

Ernie then got all pouty, and said someone (that would be me) was lying.

So, I looked again. His assertion was complete nonsense. I — repeatedly — invited him to show us where in the article he found the “name” he pretended was there.

He did not. He could not. He has not — an hour and many Ernie postings on other topics later.

Ernie was caught in a lie. A childish and silly lie, to be sure, but a lie typical of the way these illiterates operate.

With a track record like the one we have seen tonight, no wonder no one believes a word these crackpots say.

The nets are just a step behind them.

Ernie, baby.

You've had AN HOUR to tell us.

Who is the “former member of the DOJ paid blogging team” quoted in the article you cited? What is his name? Last name? First name? Any name?

Here's your problem. Either you didn't read the article properly, or you fibbed. Either way you got caught.

Here's our problem. On closer examination, almost everything you silly birthers claim is either a paranoid mis-read, or an ugly lie.

Let tonight be your example. You got caught telling a lie.

There is no quote, no former blogger, and very likely no such team.

This is why no one believes you, about this or anything. No one needs to discredit you guys. You do it yourselves.

Jesus dined with prostitutes and tax collectors. He would have welcomed whores to His church – what better place for sinners to have a chance to repent and heal?

I've not met ONE Birfer online who WASN'T both a crackpot and a liar.

All birfoons are lunatics and liars.

But there is a bright side.

Their bizarre hysteria will continue to dog the Republican Party and will undoubtedly help the President win a second term.

“The great weight of authority indicates . . . “

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ! ! ! !

Your sock puppets do not qualify as authority.

What a flaming idiot.

It's more important to understand that you're an idiot.

The State Department, the State of Hawaii, the Secretaries of State, the Electoral College, Republican Governor of Hawaii Linda Lingle, former Vice President Dick Cheney and thousands more who are actually qualified have determined that the current President is a natural born citizen of the U.S.

Your delusional assertions are irrelevant. You are dismissed.

So, if I post an anonymous blog that claims it has proof you're a pedophile is that also just as valid?

You are irrelevant.

The questions about Obama's birth certificate were raised (and debunked by organizations like factcheck.org) well in advance of the 2008 Presidential election. Why did you vote for Barack Obama if you had questions about his eligibility for the office?

What process do you think is available under the U.S. Constitution to question the eligibility of a President after the election is over, the Electoral College has met and voted, and the new President has been sworn in?

How stupid are you? Do you take a new car out for a test drive only after you've bought it?

Nice copy and paste job, idiot!

But you say you voted for him. Even though there were people publicly questioning his eligibility for office well before the election. I would be really entertained to hear your explanation as to why you voted for Barack Obama. Please, enlighten us!

Good day, y'all.

Has anyone seen Ernie? He was here a lot yesterday.

He got caught on the petard of one of his own lies, citing a 'paid DOJ blogger'. He was then — mysteriously — unable to name this 'DOJ blogger' in the very article he cited.

He claimed that this 'paid DOJ blogger' was “QUOTED” in the article (itself rubbish from the rabid right), but when challenged couldn't provide the name he imagined was there.

So… anyone seen Ernie? Ernie? Ernie? You there? Ernieeeeee? Not avoiding us, are you?

Perhaps he's back in Kenya, forging birth certificates.

Catch these birthers in one lie, catch them in twenty.

We don't need to be paid. Smacking your sorry birfer asses around the blogosphere is recreation. We are having fun here. Especially because we can measure birfer blood pressure by your use of the capslock key. You are all headed for strokes. Better go see your doctor soon.

The warden must have revoked Ernie's internet privileges.

Across the board, the best advice one could possibly give a Birfer:
seek help.

It could have been the nurse.

Good evening, y'all.

Ernie still AWOL? No one seen him? Has he run away to a safer board, one where no one will demand that he back up his claims with, uhhh… facts?

20 hours ago, he yelped, “Look again, fool. The article QUOTES a former member of the DOJ paid blogging team. YOU ARE A CHEAP LIAR.”

Unfortunately for the botched tales told by Ernie and his pals, the article quoted no such person. Nowhere. Not once. Ernie lied — and about his own 'source', no less.

Consider: birthers quote from their own phoney-baloney jabberers. Then, they even lie about these 'authorities', and put words in their mouths that were never spoken. How ridiculous.

Ernie got caught telling a lie about a lie. Birthers are a laughingstock because of goons like Ernie and his fellow subversives.

If he ever shows his face here again, let's remind him.

Nite.

Good evening, y'all.

Ernie still AWOL? No one seen him? Has he run away to a safer board, one where no one will demand that he back up his claims with, uhhh… facts?

20 hours ago, he yelped, “Look again, fool. The article QUOTES a former member of the DOJ paid blogging team. YOU ARE A CHEAP LIAR.”

Unfortunately for the botched tales told by Ernie and his pals, the article quoted no such person. Nowhere. Not once. Ernie lied — and about his own 'source', no less.

Consider: birthers quote from their own phoney-baloney jabberers. Then, they even lie about these 'authorities', and put words in their mouths that were never spoken. How ridiculous.

Ernie got caught telling a lie about a lie. Birthers are a laughingstock because of goons like Ernie and his fellow subversives.

If he ever shows his face here again, let's remind him.

Nite.

Really? If I have lied, let me know b/c I have a library of laws, links, copy-paste, ready to educate you.

FYI How did Obama's handlers pull the greatest propaganda coup de tat to sway the minds of so many to not only vote for him, but to continue defending him, even today.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/21382712/Isnt-the-Bir…

Obama’s Attorney General, Eric Holder, has apparently hired a cadre of left-wing, Democrat campaign bloggers( like trent?) to troll through the Internet looking for news stories and blog posts that denigrate the Obama agenda. After such websites are found it is the job of these secret lefty bloggers to leave comments that come to the support of Obamaism in the comments sections. It seems that Eric Holder has created his own little propaganda unit in a valiant effort to become the Bloggi Riefenstahl of the Obama era.

Ahhh Hahaha! Orly Taitz, a fraud, a liar, and adulterer! Okay birthtards, by Orly’s own (so-called) legal logic she is “Guilty” until proven innocent. AND Here is the evidence!

Read it and weep!

http://www.scribd.com/doc/21451147/Lucas-Daniel…

Graham the Red has apparently hired a cadre of right-wing, Republican campaign bloggers (like Ernie?) to troll through the Internet looking for news stories and blog posts that make themselves look imbecilic, ill-educated, hostile to reason, racist, and un-American.

Graham the Red and his fellow subversives have no understanding of such core American concepts as 'evidence', 'proof', and 'fair play'.

Graham the Red and his fellow subversives trade in gossip, insinuation and silliness.

Graham the Red in particular does not seem competent enough to have understood what happened to Ernie when he tried telling the same falsehoods, based on the same rabid right blog.

'Apparently' Graham the Red was trained in Moscow, reports to bin Laden, and lives on a diet of mice.

It must be true. I read it on a blog. No evidence required. Apparently.

Mornin' Miss Daisy: Great fun. Thank you for posting this deposition. The birthers seem to be falling apart, from the top down. Orly Taitz' anti-American lunacies are catching up with her.

Sanctioned by a federal judge tired of her adolescent antics, fired by Captain Connie Rhodes, MD, for “incompetence” and “unprofessionalism”, she now stands accused — by yet another of her own clients, no less — of suborning perjury and trading in documents known to be counterfeit.

Unlike Graham the Red, Ernie, and the other rabid right subversives on this board, we will wait to see if this accuser has the facts to back up his condemnation. If he doesn't, he should and will be penalized for perjury.

If he does, Lucas Daniel Smith, born January 4, 1980, of Peoria, Illinois, will have helped tear down the house of cards which has been the birther movement from the beginning.

This declaration, signed and formally presented to the court, makes for fascinating reading. If Mr Smith is able to substantiate his accusations, Ms Taitz will be disbarred. Such outcome would be inevitable.

Please, read for yourself: http://www.scribd.com/doc/21451147/Lucas-Daniel…

Yea, like she won’t be disbarred anyway!

Good point.

Could she be disbarred twice for the same offense? Likely not — double jeopardy, and un-American. Not that such a principle would ever deter the birther crazies.

Again, thank you very much for posting this deposition.

Wonderful fun.

I can't stop laughing at the mental image of Orly and Charles Lincoln getting it on.

“Bite me”
“no.”
“Come on, bite me!”
“Nyet”

“Red”Graham as in communist red is delusional. He has a hard time understanding how ordinary citizens would want to respond to a bunch of crazy nutcases when they're trying to remove the president we elected. Regardless, none of our comments – even if we were working for Eric Holder – would mean a damned thing being posted as comments to an article. We're merely delighting in our First Amendment Right of Freedom of Speech. Don't like it? Get the f*ck out!

During the presidential campaign, Obama released a certification of live birth, which is the official document you get if you ask Hawaii for a copy of your birth certificate. There are allegations that what Obama released is a forgery, but state officials have repeatedly affirmed its authenticity and said they've checked it against the original record and that Obama was indeed born in Hawaii.

If that wasn't enough, two Hawaiian newspapers carried announcements of Obama's birth in August 1961. (Read the Honolulu Advertiser's item from Aug. 13, 1961, nine days after Obama's birth, here.) The traditional joke that Birther debunkers make is that his grandparents must have placed those announcements because they knew that he'd want to run for president nearly five decades later. The truth, though, is that the notices are even stronger pieces of evidence than that. Obama's family didn't place them — Hawaii did, as it does for all births. The announcements were based on official records sent to the papers by the state's Department of Health.

Paranoid drivel. Where's your proof? A talking sock puppet?

Bert ate him.

Initially, I couldn't believe this was true until I went to Lucas' YouTube page. Man, this guy tore the bottom out of the movement. I wonder what all the people that donate money to her are going to think about her lavish lunches using their money?

Yea, you can't tell that to the birthers, though.

Get ready for them to fall apart here soon – or at lease Oily Taintz won't be around to direct them. That deposition filed by Lucas Smith to Carter's court is scathing and will very likely help to get her disbarred.

Somebody just posted on the AXJ website: http://www.axjus.com that Judge Carter has ordered discovery. Is it true?

Somebody has just posted a comment on AXJ http://www.axjus.com that Judge Carter has ordered discovery. Good by Obama.

No it's not true, jerkoff. Carter took under submission the Defendant's Motion to Dismiss. There will be no trial and AJX won't be able to get his rocks off. The constitution says such a determination, at this point, can only be made by Congress – not by a court. That’s the basis of a motion to dismiss the case, which was argued on Oct. 5, and which Judge David O. Carter is expected to rule on in the next week or so.

It’s called the political-question doctrine, the regulation of qualifications are assigned to Congress, NOT THE COURTS.

Nice try. Keep hallucinating.

Yes, it happens every day in birther minds. Based on the deposition that Lucas Smith, the finder of the 'Kenyan BC' just filed at Judge Carter's court, I have a feeling that the case is going to be dismissed and Orly will most certainly be disbarred. And you can go to Smith's YouTube page. He definitely submitted the deposition that states that Orly continuously asked him to lie on the stand. However, he still believes as you do that Obama is from Kenya. Just that Orly is screwing up the case. Regardless, Carter is going to dismiss as every other Federal Judge has. The First Branch of Law (Congress) is responsible for removing the President if it is found he isn't qualified to hold the job – not the Judicial Branch. When you get rulings like this from 'conservative' judges – well, not much is going to happen. Every judge has dismissed these frivolous cases AND even if they were not frivolous, the courts don't have the power to remove the president. Just can't get it through your idiot heads.

AXJ, didn't you hear? Judge Carter has said he won't rule until Orly's sanction is paid to the other court. So, the dismissal will be released when Orly pays the $20 grand she owes. Since you're such an amazing and far-reaching cartel, it should be no problem for you to gather those funds together and pay that for her. Of course, you might want to add in another $10 grand for incidental expenses such as meals (Orly only eats at the best restaurants), clothes (high-end only for her), transportation (first-class all the way for Orly!), and, of course, plenty of bleach. If you want to send that to me, I'll be sure the Judge gets his payment.

Somebody has just posted a comment on AXJ http://www.axjus.com that Judge Carter has ordered discovery. Good by Obama.

AXJ, didn't you hear? Judge Carter has said he won't rule until Orly's sanction is paid to the other court. So, the dismissal will be released when Orly pays the $20 grand she owes. Since you're such an amazing and far-reaching cartel, it should be no problem for you to gather those funds together and pay that for her. Of course, you might want to add in another $10 grand for incidental expenses such as meals (Orly only eats at the best restaurants), clothes (high-end only for her), transportation (first-class all the way for Orly!), and, of course, plenty of bleach. If you want to send that to me, I'll be sure the Judge gets his payment. See, I can copy and paste too!

–Judge Carter has said he won't rule until Orly's sanction is paid to the other court.–

?????????

Even more, what are they going to think about her sordid nooners with Chuckles?

I'm learning from the blowers, anti. Say it, it must be true. Besides, after Orly's mouthed off so much about how she's not going to pay, etc, etc, it makes sense that she can't avoid paying what she owes to one District Court and expect another District Court to just ignore it like nothing's happened. It wouldn't surprise me at all if Judge Carter has completed his dismissal notice and is just sitting on it to see what Orly does in Georgia.

Well Judge Carter just filed the Government's document in his circular file and who can believe Lucas after all the crap he is talking. Before Orly was his savior and now she is nothing but a high class hooker for him. Looks like Orly turned him down, huh? Just sour grapes. Creepy is going to do it.

I believe he's part of the lunatic fringe, just as you and Orly are. Judge Carter is intelligent to know this and he isn't going to do anything for you brifers. Case dismissed. Only Congress can remove Obama through impeachment and that's not likely to happen.

Bahahahahahahahahahah!

Hmmm, awful quiet here at the ol' Birfer watering hole: I guess they're all in shock at the new Orly news…

You are correct in stating that only congress can impeach a president, but that does not stop a court from accepting evidence that proves Barry is ineligible to be president. Then congress can see that a fedral district court has ruled using the TRUTH and impeachment could then begin.

what about the FACTS that he is using a DEAD mans SSN? explain that you anti-birthers, people can be PAID to lie you retards.

“Just sour grapes,” you say.

Hmmmm… if anyone on this board is an expert on 'sour grapes', it would be you and your fellow crackpots.

Mr Obama was elected by a wide margin, and you've never gotten over it. Never will, no doubt. Sour grapes, indeed.

If you didn't hate America so much, you would have moved on by now. Speaking of which, where is your pal Ernie? We haven't seen him since he got caught in another birther lie.

Is he hiding in your basement? Sedated? Forging birth certificates? Off playing with Lucas? You guys seem to have a lot in common.

Courts do not get involved in issues dealing with political agenda. You need to read up on the true patriot Judge Land's ruling that sanctioned Oily. If you're upset about the election, call and write your Senators and Rep and urge them to do so. Federal judges, nor any judge, can get involved.

“Good by Obama”. I like that motto — focuses on the good he is accomplishing.

Good bye, AXJ.

There are no FACTS. Only unsubstantiated claims by one hell of a looney toons of a lawyer. Seems that everyone else disagrees with the lunatic fringe, like you. Obama was born in Hawaii and is a US Citizen. Oily is just grasping for straws in her assertions that Obama has used multiple SSN's and it's going to get her disbarred – soon I hope.

They're a little more active right now and seething and gnashing their teeth. The HORROR! The HORROR! Their queen has been using their donated funds to go out to lavish lunches and she doesn't pay her staff.

Hey Unpatriotic223: why do you hate America so much that you can't be bothered to read our Constitution?

You wrote, “… that does not stop a court from accepting evidence that proves Barry is ineligible to be president.” Really? What court? Where? What jurisdiction? How?

If you didn't hate America, you would know that there is NO criminal or civil court able to decide such questions. In our system, the House of Representatives ALONE acts as a 'court' and generates, upon motion, Articles of Impeachment. This is how it worked when Mr Clinton got into trouble. Have you forgotten already? Or did they not teach you that in the KGB?

Our Constitution is quite clear about how this works.

Our Constitution has NO provision of a role for the Judicial Branch in anything that might lead to impeachment. The process is political, not criminal.

In the case of the notorious Republican President Richard Nixon, his impeachment was precipitated by concurrent criminal trials of his lowlife employees — including his Attorney-General, who went to jail.

Nixon's impeachment was a political process, first to last. So was Clinton's.

That's how our Constitution works, which you would know if you were not a subversive.

The US House of Representatives is the only 'court' able to accept evidence. You might try submitting your 'evidence ' to Rep Randy Cunningham, or Rep Robert Baumann, or Rep Mark Foley, or Rep Donald Lukens… oh. Wait a minute.

It may take those good Republicans a moment to get back to you.

Typical birfer. They can spell. Just not the correct words. It's like the guy that Oily submitted the deposition to Land that wrote he 'new' that he saw Holder at the coffee shot across the street from Land's court house. Of course, he (Holder) flew there on a SR-22 from LA just for that meeting so he could tell Land what to do.

“Government's document”?

I don't see anything indicating that affidavit was filed by the Government. If it was filed with the U.S. District Court at all, it looks like it was filed by the affiant himself. The Government's position is that the cases are not justiciable. The Department of Justice wouldn't waste its time with intra-birfer warfare.

If anything, I could see this being the work of Gary Kreep. He and Orly are blaming each other for screwups in how the case was handled (just review the transcript of the hearing before Judge Carter). And it seems likely he would have every incentive to impugn Orly by alleging that a disbarred lawyer is really doing all the legal work for her.

In any event, it is huge fun to watch birfers savaging other birfers. That is what usually happens with fringe groups — they splinter even further.

“I thought we were the Popular Front.”

“People's Front!”

“Whatever happened to the Popular Front?”

“He's over there.”

“SPLITTERS!”

I think AXJ is referring to the document filed by the government this afternoon in Carter's court. Don't have a handy link to it but you can see it on Orly's website. They refer to the case that was dismissed in NJ in their request. Orly's ALL upset about it. IN A SQUEELING VOICE: I UH, JUST UH, WISH FOR ONCE THAT YOU WOULD ALL JUST TELL THE TRUTH. UH, MY TRUTH. BECAUSE I KNOW EVERYTHING. I AM ORLY TAITZ! THE BIRTHENATOR!

Brilliant! Thank you.

The “government's document” is a typical birther lie and stratagem: apply a misleading title, give it greater purport than import, and hope that people even more foolish than themselves take it seriously.

“Government document”. What a joke.

Well done, Mr Claw.

Thanks — hadn't heard about it. I assume DOJ is just asking the Court to take notice of supplemental authority (the District Court's decision in Kerchner v. Obama).

Sounds like DOJ may have filed a request that the Court take notice of supplemental authority (the decision in Kerchner v. Obama, I would assume).

But I really do think the Monty Python pretty well summarizes what is happening to the birfer “movement.”

It is disappointing, I know, but when you knock these little mice around, some of them just die of shock. Take heart — there will be others.

Just good lawyering. No reason to write something new when they got something from another federal judge.

There once was a lawyer named Orly,
Who's practice was going quite poorly,
'Til Charles rolled ov-a
That blonde from Moldova
Now they're linkin' their briefs — bite me sorely!

I have seen that exact words, but it was from a birther who just couldn't dispute comments that he was a fraud.

Did you actually visit Orly's website? And you lived to tell about it?

LOL. Yes. I visit her site using the TOR network so she can't get my IP number. There was someone posting nasty messages to her (not me) a few days ago. The IP number was coming from Canada and they used the name Fred Jones. Orly had all of her soldiers working on it. I will post an occassional message to her – like get ready to be disbarred or your case is going to be dismissed soon. Something that I'm sure gets her blood pressure up.

Maybe when Orly has had every courthouse door in the U.S. slammed in her face, she can take up a new crusade. One of our fifty states is unconstitutional: it was formed entirely from the territory of another state in violation of Art. IV, Section 3. Just imagine what fun Orly could have with that!

Hello Unpatriotic223.

What facts, about what SSN? In whose name? In whose names?

Using what number? What numbers? Could you not be a little bit more precise?

You clowns offer broadbrush accusations, but they are NEVER exact. You never offer proof. Never evidence. Only slanders.

You wrote, “what about the FACTS that he is using a DEAD mans SSN?” Soooooo… Mr 223, give us these facts! Point us to the actual documents, the actual number, the actual name, the actual sources in actual files. Your fevered imagination is no substitute for documentation. Sorry 'bout that.

We happen to know that you stole YOUR own SSN (517-73-2295) from a dead man in Kansas. Don't ask how we know this. Just take our word for it.

And don't worry. We won't tell anyone.

This is fun! Like Ernie last night, you've been asked to tell the truth. He failed to do so, and ran off like a frightened ferret.

Now it's your turn to step up to the plate. You've had ten minutes, Patty, and we're still waiting.

What is the name of the dead man? What is the SSN of the dead man?

Before you start making up a phoney-baloney answer, I need to warn you: we have a way to find out whether or not the number you provide matches the name you provide. You've been warned.

So, tell us, Unpatriotic223: what is the NAME of the so-called dead man? And what is the actual number?

If you can't answer, you can't wonder why we laugh at you, and your pitiful lies and exaggerations.

Five hours ago, someone calling himself 'Patriotic223' posted the following: “what about the FACTS that he is using a DEAD mans SSN? explain that you anti-birthers, people can be PAID to lie you retards.”

Third time of asking.

Patty, what is the name of this dead man?

What is the SSN number that you say Mr Obama stole from him?

You claim that you know the 'facts'. Prove it.

So, Patty, what is the name? What is the number? If you can't answer, it is clear that you are just another crackpot birther telling another crackpot lie.

Raving Boarder: you people are such laughable illiterates.

You wrote, “… pull the greatest propaganda coup de tat to sway…”

Coup de tat? A coup of tattoos?

You are such morons. The expression you were apparently looking for is “coup d’etat”; ie, a coup against or within the state.

Coup de tat!!! Hilarious.

And oh so typical of you cretins. Learn English first, if you can. In this case, French as well. If you can.

Do you have an IQ of 83 on a hot day? If so, you can be the new Queen of the Birthers, leading the other imbeciles.

Coup de tat. Very good.

Raving Boarder: you people are such laughable illiterates.

You wrote, “… pull the greatest propaganda coup de tat to sway…”

Coup de tat? A coup of tattoos?

You are such morons. The expression you were apparently looking for is “coup d’etat”; ie, a coup against or within the state.

Coup de tat!!! Hilarious.

And oh so typical of you cretins. Learn English first, if you can. In this case, French as well. If you can.

Do you have an IQ of 83 on a hot day? If so, you can be the new Queen of the Birthers, leading the other imbeciles.

Coup de tat. Very good.

LMAO…very true!

Good lord man, I hope you disinfected yourself afterwords!!!!

Spamming the board? We are not falling for that nonsense…Judge Carter has made no ruling at all moron.

Your inflated sense of importance is quite amusing, and one of the reasons I'm more than happy to do this for free. Your silly blog posts are such a threat that the Attorney General wants us to monitor you? Funny.

You people do an exceedingly good job of undermining your own cause. We're just here because it is fun to watch you flail about.

Now, occasionally one of you (like oldracistman) posts something that is a threat on the life of the President. I do hope the Secret Service and FBI follow up on that.

But typical birfer conspiracy theories? That's just entertainment for us.

For those that know nothing about history and the law, the Romans invented a concept called Res Judicata which means the thing that has been judged cannot be judged again, Non In Bis Idem. In the case of Obama there is no Res Judicata because there has been no trial on the merits adn judgement yet. It is stupid for the DOJ to present that document because it is a dismissal on a totally different case on totally different grounds. In this case Mr. Keyes has standing and Judge Carter will have to deny the DOJ motion to dismiss and will order discovery. This will be fun.

Are you suggesting that Orly Taitz get disbarred. Ms. Taitz enjoys the attention as much as she enjoys pacifying birthers doubts. Every time she gets discredited she says something to sooth her fans. Honestly, it will be hard for her to find anything like this again. However, I agree that she could “take up a new crusade.”

AXJ talk about the history and law. Wow. AXJ finds obscure things, but refuses to look at the facts.

What is really fun is watching birthers try to build a coherent argument out of distortion of the truth and misrepresentations of the facts.

Then please tell me why Obama, his lawyers & all you antibirthers don't want the original Birth Certificate to see the light of day? Could it be because the original BC is from Kenya? OR Is it just because the real BC will reveal that the Obama is less than half-black & was born a Kenyan-Brit? What are you antibirthers so afraid of? If you antibirthers weren't scared you wouldn't be bothering us birthers with your frantic insults. The man was born a Brit(Kenyan) or dual-citizen before becoming Indonesian. As an adult he must have decided his citizenship choice but we can't see what that choice was.

Nine hours ago, someone calling himself 'Patriotic223' posted the following: “what about the FACTS that he is using a DEAD mans SSN? explain that you anti-birthers, people can be PAID to lie you retards.”

Third time of asking.

Patty, what is the name of this dead man?

What is the SSN number that you say Mr Obama stole from him?

You claim that you know the 'facts'. Prove it.

So, Patty, what is the name? What is the number? If you can't answer, it is clear that you are just another crackpot birther telling another crackpot lie.

Hi Graham the Red: still taking your goofy orders from Orly the soon-to-be-disbarred? Is she really the best you crackpots can do?

Your case is no case. Your 'arguments' are nonsense. Your efforts to exploit our court system for your racist advantage are going nowhere. And NO ONE believes you, nor a word you say.

Ernie got caught telling birther lies. Patty got caught telling birther lies. And now you're back at it, with rancid allusions to “less than half-black” that you imagine conceal your own racism.

What sort of person even thinks about such things? You are one of those ludicrous characters who used to talk about 'quadroons' and 'octaroons' in bare disguise of your profoundly racist makeup. Will you ever become an adult?

No one is afraid of you nitwits.

It is what you stand for that is despised: you lie, you fabricate, you trade in forged documents, you attempt to subvert our courts and our democracy, and you do all of this to the sad end of trying to turn back time.

You toss off such laughable claims as “The man was born a Brit(Kenyan) or dual-citizen before becoming Indonesian”, and do so without an ounce of evidence, nor a gram of common sense. Now he is Indonesian??

It is equally true that Graham the Red was born in Moscow, trained by the KGB, and shipped here in 1978 to contaminate America. Having said it, we have proved it. According to you, that's all that is required.

Go back to Moscow, you Communist. Orly will greet you when you arrive.

Hmmm… it's beginning to sound suspiciously like you went to the same online 'law school' that your mentor Orly Taitz, Esq, attended.

Having learned how to copy and paste, you now pose as a legal scholar.

Having been told to say 'Res Judicata', you imagine that you know what it means — from the time of Cicero through English Common Law and to our own jurisprudence. (You can look up 'Cicero' if you like. It's a city in Illinois.)

And wanting to appear learned, you have learned to appear merely wanting.

Now, say this out loud three times, and tell us what it means: 'Ego sum tergum terminus equus.'

This is fun.

This one is too good to forget.

A day ago, someone calling himself 'BorderRaven' posted this nonsense. Look closely…

———

“Really? If I have lied, let me know b/c I have a library of laws, links, copy-paste, ready to educate you.

“FYI How did Obama's handlers pull the greatest propaganda coup de tat to sway the minds of so many to not only vote for him, but to continue defending him, even today.”

IN REPLY…

Raving Boarder: you people are such laughable illiterates.

You wrote, “… pull the greatest propaganda coup de tat to sway…”

Coup de tat? A coup of tattoos?

You are such morons. The expression you were apparently looking for is “coup d'etat”; ie, a coup against or within the state.

Coup de tat!!! Hilarious.

And oh so typical of you cretins. Learn English first, if you can. In this case, French as well. If you can.

Do you have an IQ of 83 on a hot day? If so, you can be the new Queen of the Birthers, leading the other imbeciles.

Coup de tat. Very good.

Ten hours ago, someone calling himself 'Patriotic223' posted the following: “what about the FACTS that he is using a DEAD mans SSN? explain that you anti-birthers, people can be PAID to lie you retards.”

Fourth time of asking.

Patty, what is the name of this dead man?

What is the SSN number of this dead man?

You claim that you know the 'facts'. Prove it.

So, Patty, what is the name? What is the number? If you can't answer, it is clear that you are just another crackpot birther telling another crackpot lie.

Your question seems to present itself as a genuine question. A question that is asked by someone who has a legitimate concern about a specific issue. You only asked the question in attempt to present yourself as a reasonable person. However, we both know that their is absolutely nothing reasonable about your question.

A reasonable person would acknowledge that western government agencies have records relevant to the citizenship of its citizens. Just by checking with the appropriate government agency it is possible to determine the accuracy of any information that has been released. Government documents have information on both the place of birth and the person's nationality. With modern western governments a person place of birth automatically determiners their citizenship, this is irrelevant to whether the person's parents are citizens.

Countries like America allow person to obtain citizenship who were not born in any of 50 states to obtain citizenship through their parents. This requires that both parent by citizens, and specifically in this case American citizens. This allow parents who are serving American Interest as either a military officer or embassy to become a “natural born citizen.” Yes, this does also include average American citizens.

The most basic method that people can become a citizen of America is through birth. All they have to be is born within any of the 50 states of America. As stated above specific government agencies have this information. Specifically, to Obama this agency is the Hawaii Health Department. It is possible that anything can happen to the original record. This is why government agencies have this information. Additionally, a person can request “a copy” of their records.

Please do some honest research and stop pretending that you are being reason in your request. You are not.

P.S. Anyone can determine what “his citizenship choice,” this is determine by he place of residency and his determination to seek public office. Only citizens can seek public office.

BorderRaven? I came across a post from a BorderRaven on another site where they quoted “HOUSE RESOLUTION 593,” without realizing the implication of it. They tried to argue that it doesn't support the fact that Obama is a natural born citizen.

No it is people like BorderRaven that are spreading propaganda and misinformation. It was a democratic election, with congress recognizing that Obama meet the constitutional requirements to become president. Morons.

Birthers are the worst conspiracy theorist. They attempt to make things more complicated that it should be. It is a simple birth certificate. Do they have the answers? Yes, all with different conclusions and none of them true.

If you want to watch something amusing – yet irritating – go to YouTube and watch the latest of her visit to South Dakota. Listening to her try to 'teach' the Constitution to these older people is amusing. Nothing like having a Russian immigrant that is barely schooled in law giving her interpretation of the Constitution to which she wraps herself in.

Since I'm going through multiple proxy servers to get to her website, they are the computers that get all of the filth on them. I only need a light scrub when I leave her website and that's from seeing her photo at the top.

When I get to thinking about it, you're partially right. Fact is, the courts are 'accepting' the 'evidence' and then they're reviewing it and coming to the conclusion that Orly has no legitimate argument. No approach. She files a lawsuit, submits evidence, and then enters the courtroom and doesn't argue the merits of her suit. Instead, she rambles a long calling the President a usurper and slandering his father. That just doesn't sit well with judges. Remember, justice is blind.

Just in case, I would make it a little more than a light scrub…LOL!!!

Let’s look at the pattern here.

‘Patriotic223′ claimed that Mr Obama stole the SSN of a dead man. When asked — repeatedly — to provide such evidence as the name and SSN of this alleged corpse, he failed to do so. In fact, Patty ran away like a fact-challenged ferret.

Red Graham claimed that a blog article he himself cited contained the name of a “paid DOJ blogger”. When asked — repeatedly — to provide that name, he failed to do so. In fact, he ran away like a fact-challenged ferret.

Others claim to have Hawaiian photographs, Kenyan birth certificates, Indonesian madrassa evidence, and much more. When asked for actual proof, these birthers run away like… fact-challenged ferrets.

These are just a few of numerous examples of what happens when these crackpots are asked to provide any kind of proof whatsoever: names, dates, numbers, files — in a word, evidence.

Other are in a world of illiteracy all by themselves: “coup de tat”, and quoting Zapata, being particularly risible examples of sheer ignorance.

Judging by the MO we see here, it seems reasonable to conclude that these birthers are, in fact, addled and congenital liars.

Patty? Ernie? Got anything to say? We’re waiting.

Let’s look at the pattern here.

‘Patriotic223′ claimed that Mr Obama stole the SSN of a dead man. When asked — repeatedly — to provide such evidence as the name and SSN of this alleged corpse, he failed to do so. In fact, Patty ran away like a fact-challenged ferret.

Ernie claimed that a blog article he himself cited contained the name of a “paid DOJ blogger”. When asked — repeatedly — to provide that name, he failed to do so. In fact, he ran away like a fact-challenged ferret.

Others claim to have Hawaiian photographs, Kenyan birth certificates, Indonesian madrassa evidence, and much more. When asked for actual proof, these birthers run away like… fact-challenged ferrets.

These are just a few of numerous examples of what happens when these crackpots are asked to provide any kind of proof whatsoever: names, dates, numbers, files — in a word, evidence.

Other are in a world of illiteracy all by themselves: “coup de tat”, and quoting Zapata, being particularly risible examples of sheer ignorance.

Judging by the MO we see here, it seems reasonable to conclude that these birthers are, in fact, addled and congenital liars.

Patty? Ernie? Got anything to say? We’re waiting.

Can I wait until after my breakfast has settled…it was good and I don't really want to see it come back up… ;)

Let’s look at the pattern here.

‘Patriotic223′ claimed that Mr Obama stole the SSN of a dead man. When asked — repeatedly — to provide such evidence as the name and SSN of this alleged corpse, he failed to do so. In fact, Patty ran away like a fact-challenged ferret.

Ernie claimed that a blog article he himself cited contained the name of a “paid DOJ blogger”. When asked — repeatedly — to provide that name, he failed to do so. In fact, he ran away like a fact-challenged ferret.

Others claim to have Hawaiian photographs, Kenyan birth certificates, Indonesian madrassa evidence, and much more. When asked for actual proof, these birthers run away like… fact-challenged ferrets.

These are just a few of numerous examples of what happens when these crackpots are asked to provide any kind of proof whatsoever: names, dates, numbers, files — in a word, evidence.

Other are in a world of illiteracy all by themselves: “coup de tat”, and quoting Zapata, being particularly risible examples of sheer ignorance.

Judging by the MO we see here, it seems reasonable to conclude that these birthers are, in fact, addled and congenital liars.

Patty? Ernie? Got anything to say? We’re waiting.

Anteni you are so right—–as conspiracy theorists they are comically inept. They just assume that quantity will distract from absence of quality, then they pile on all sorts of self-contradicting premises, most of which are so over the top that any self respecting conspiracy buff runs fast from these loony and hilarious scenarios. I don't feel bad about mocking Birthtards 'cause they're so hateful.

Keyes has no standing, he cannot prove injury. He also is suffering from a severe case of sour grapes because he had no prayer of winning the presidency. The People voted for Obama more so than McCain and thus Obama won the election and was properly sworn in on Jan 20th.

There is nothing for the courts to hear in a trial because there are no merits to hear…only Orly's constant Obama bashing rants that have no basis in fact other than the fantasy land of Birfistan…

I don't want to see her disbarred…this is too entertaining! But she will be, she crossed the line too many times…

Nineteen hours ago, someone calling himself 'Patriotic223' posted the following: “what about the FACTS that he is using a DEAD mans SSN? explain that you anti-birthers, people can be PAID to lie you retards.”

Fifth time of asking.

Patty, what is the name of this dead man?

What is the SSN of this dead man?

You claim that you know these 'facts'. Prove it.

So, Patty, what is the name? What is the number?

If you can't answer, it is clear that you are just another crackpot birther telling another crackpot lie.

I look forward to the day when she's disbarred. It still won't shut her up. Her soldiers will send her money to she can continue going on 'tour' to educate the people about the Constitution and how an usurper whooped her butt.

Okay all you birthtards, Obama has declared a National Swine Flu Emergency. Of course that means none of you better get caught sneezing or he will send you to his secret FEMA Concentration Camps!

Even worse, these health camps are all located in Mr Obama's home country of… Zanzibar!!

I agree that disbarment for Orly will not bring our Birfertainment to an end. These loons'll rationalize ANYTHING as a plot from the 'evil usurper'

Let's look at the pattern here.

'Patriotic223' claimed that Mr Obama stole the SSN of a dead man. When asked — repeatedly — to provide such evidence as the name and SSN of this alleged corpse, he failed to do so. In fact, Patty ran away like a fact-challenged ferret.

Ernie claimed that a blog article he himself cited contained the name of a “paid DOJ blogger”. When asked — repeatedly — to provide that name, he failed to do so. In fact, he ran away like a fact-challenged ferret.

Others claim to have Hawaiian photographs, Kenyan birth certificates, Indonesian madrassa evidence, and much more. When asked for actual proof, these birthers run away like… fact-challenged ferrets.

These are just a few of numerous examples of what happens when these crackpots are asked to provide any kind of proof whatsoever: names, dates, numbers, files — in a word, evidence.

Other are in a world of illiteracy all by themselves: “coup de tat”, and quoting Zapata, being particularly risible examples of sheer ignorance.

Judging by the MO we see here, it seems reasonable to conclude that these birthers are, in fact, addled and congenital liars.

Patty? Ernie? Got anything to say? We're waiting.

Let's look at the pattern here.

'Patriotic223' claimed that Mr Obama stole the SSN of a dead man. When asked — repeatedly — to provide such evidence as the name and SSN of this alleged corpse, he failed to do so. In fact, Patty ran away like a fact-challenged ferret.

Ernie claimed that a blog article he himself cited contained the name of a “paid DOJ blogger”. When asked — repeatedly — to provide that name, he failed to do so. In fact, he ran away like a fact-challenged ferret.

Others claim to have Hawaiian photographs, Kenyan birth certificates, Indonesian madrassa evidence, and much more. When asked for actual proof, these birthers run away like… fact-challenged ferrets.

These are just a few of numerous examples of what happens when these crackpots are asked to provide any kind of proof whatsoever: names, dates, numbers, files — in a word, evidence.

Other are in a world of illiteracy all by themselves: “coup de tat”, and quoting Zapata, being particularly risible examples of sheer ignorance.

Judging by the MO we see here, it seems reasonable to conclude that these birthers are, in fact, addled and congenital liars.

Patty? Ernie? Got anything to say? We're waiting.

Let's look at the pattern here.

'Patriotic223' claimed that Mr Obama stole the SSN of a dead man. When asked — repeatedly — to provide such evidence as the name and SSN of this alleged corpse, he failed to do so. In fact, Patty ran away like a fact-challenged ferret.

Ernie claimed that a blog article he himself cited contained the name of a “paid DOJ blogger”. When asked — repeatedly — to provide that name, he failed to do so. In fact, he ran away like a fact-challenged ferret.

Others claim to have Hawaiian photographs, Kenyan birth certificates, Indonesian madrassa evidence, and much more. When asked for actual proof, these birthers run away like… fact-challenged ferrets.

These are just a few of numerous examples of what happens when these crackpots are asked to provide any kind of proof whatsoever: names, dates, numbers, files — in a word, evidence.

Other are in a world of illiteracy all by themselves: “coup de tat”, and quoting Zapata, being particularly risible examples of sheer ignorance.

Judging by the MO we see here, it seems reasonable to conclude that these birthers are, in fact, addled and congenital liars.

Patty? Ernie? Got anything to say? We're waiting.

Some of our Birfer friends showed up on the thread of another TWI story about Limbaugh being punk'd by the Obama thesis hoax. Must-see entertainment for Birfer-watchers.
The upshot is that their newest demand of Obama is…wait for it…
“Show us your real thesis—-why are you hiding it?”

You can't make this stuff up

Sorry Trent, but that was hours ago: the goldfish-Birfer hive-mind has move on to…Obama's thesis paper—-no not the hoax one which punk'd Limbaugh (among others), but the one he is allegedly hiding.
This isn't a joke, today's Obama-bashing meme is

SHOW US YER THEE-SUS

WHAT ARE YEW HIDING?!?!?
WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What a hoot! Thanks!!

For anyone who hasn't seen it yet, this is a link to a video of Faux clips about who started the standoff between the White House and Faux News. Not only is it funny, but it sure explains a bunch of birthers on here. After all, they get their news from Faux. Check it out.

http://video.msn.com/video.aspx?mkt=en-US&vid=e…

Do you mean the Faux National Party?

I hereby introduce this resolution to refer to birthers (or birfers) as birthtards as msdaisy has been using. It makes more sense.

Um… I think Oily has Swine Flu. Better send her to one of those camps immediately. It might be a good thing, too. With her around all of those sick people spouting her talking points that are pointless, I'm betting those with the flu may just get better a lot faster.

Well, this reply is too late, so I hope you didn't upchuck your breakfast. Let's just say that they're all damned stupid videos and a total waste of bandwidth and disk space.

That's about right! It is amazing to listen to the lies and exaggerations coming from the mouths of these fools. To be supposed “news” people and so blatantly lying is just too much. What a bunch of fools. As are those who listen to it and believe it is true.

Oh, you like that? Yes, I consider birthtards a fitting moniker. That would make Orly the Queen birthtard, don’t you think?

The problem with Faux News is that their audience consists of people that aren't that intelligent and so they take everything for the absolute truth. I will watch Faux News just to keep myself informed on their lies. They do have a couple of journalists that are fair. But that Faux and Friends program is just ridiculous. I don't know what it is about that team but they have this weird look, like they're not even from this planet.

I'll drop in on her website sometime later today and leave her a message that she's now knowns as the Queen Birthtard. Just love messing with that woman. None of my messages ever get posted but I know she reads them. She's so full of herself. Has a post on her site that she has more hits on Google than Nancy Pelosi. I dropped her a note to let her know that 99% of those hits are websites that are either making fun of her or questioning her mission.

Speaking of fair and balanced FAUX NEWS:

http://candidblogger.blogspot.com/2009/10/fox-n…

Anyone who calls this a news station after watching this has serious problems.

Yes, she is that. I’ve posted a couple of “blunt” comments to her website too, and of course they were never posted either. She has never posted any contrary comments on there. If you read some of the shit she has posted I swear I think she makes half of it up herself and just posts as different people. Maybe she has a kind of “Sybil” thing going on.

I looked at it this morning for entertainment with my coffee and she has posted yet another motion she filed w/the court. This one for limited discovery of the AP Article she calls “#1 Exhibit 2004 AP article Kenyan born Obama”.

She’s sort of like a retarded energizer bunny, just keeps going and going and going…

See. It's this crap and propoganda they spew will eventually cause problems. One of the birthers will bomb a federal building or go out and start killing people with a high powered rifle. The Faux News will step back and say “We didn't cause that”. It's like when the abortion doctor was murdered in Wichita, Kansas. O'Reilly repeatedly the words 'Tiller the Baby Killer' over and over and over, night after night after night, until one of his viewers decided to do something about it.

I know that the Secret Service has to be watching these types of discussions and getting some names. At least I hope they do.

Yes. I visit her website for the 'latest' as well. The motion for limited discovery looks like she wants the judge to give her permission to go to AP's main offices and go through all of their articles to determine who published the stories that had the titles of Kenyan Born Obama in them. Of course, it's easy to summise that the Kenyan people are proud to have someone with roots to their country as our president so it's only natural for them to not completely understand that Obama is a natural born citizen of the United States.

I think Charles Lincoln III will agree with the last part…she just keeps going and going. Poor Charlie.

LOL!!! Thanks…

If she is disbarred she will just attempt to continue her windmill tilting crusade another way…book sales. LMAO!!!

Limbaugh, Beck, Faux News: they all have boilerplate disclaimers ready to go straight on air when the inevitable happens and the spirit of Tim McVeigh rears its head again. They know damn well that they are agitating unbalanced individuals and they will try to be proactive when the s**t hits the fan. Recently, one of these Goebbels wannabes (just which one escapes me at the moment) sent out a little trial balloon with some vile propagandic commentary claiming that all 'lone wolf' assassins are by nature let-wingers. I'm not sure what preposterous rationale this claim was supported by (James Earl Ray a lefty LMAO!!!) but this is what I mean when I say they're gonna try their level best to cover their collective asses when the deal goes down—–count on it.

“#1 Exhibit 2004 AP article Kenyan born Obama” Yeah. That was quite an interesting read. I would have to say that buckaroni reasoning on this one is quite logical. The article was about the GOP Illinois senate candidate having to withdraw, and the reason he had to. Only the twice in the article was Kenyan used. Once in the title, and again in the first sentence.

There was another one. However, that one when on to explain how Obama's father ended up in America and how he met Obama's mother. It even goes on to explain that Obama's father remained in America to finish his studies.

Honestly, I hope the one she used is the later. It would be really funny to see the judges face when he notices the last 3 paragraphs.

In the fiction section. Was that book already written and made into a movie. I am honestly indifferent on whether she gets disbarred or not. In the eyes of the birthers she is folk hero, and any defeat she encounter will be viewed as a victory.

Actually every defeat she encounters is twisted into victory in Birffistan since Birffers are so accepting of Orly's lies and scams.

I wonder how the Birffers will feel when she gets the last slap-down and abandons the Birffer cause as her disbarred legal clerk has claimed they are focusing all efforts on Wells Fargo instead of Birffer causes…LOL!!

http://www.scribd.com/doc/21193106/KEYES-BARNET…

Read that and stop complaining about patriotic Americans who question governement. Your the one who said people can be paid off. Well isn't it possible someone has found a loop hole in the system and instituted an uneligible president? He uses a SSN from THOMAS WOODS- 042-68-4425. Get off your ass and do some research for yourselves. Barry used this number over 20 times to establish residences. Look it up there are lists of associated adresses with his name using this number. Research why he has used 1.4 million dollars to cover up his history.

So, let’s consider the facts as traced on this board.

‘Patriotic223′ claimed to have the name and SSN of a dead man whose identity was stolen by Mr Obama. After being repeatedly challenged to produce evidence, he came up with one ‘Thomas Woods’, and an SSN.

PROBLEM: the Social Security Death Index reveals there has never been such a name attached to such a number. Ever.

CONCLUSION: ‘Patriotic223′ got caught telling a lie.

‘Ernest’ claimed to have the name of a “paid DOJ blogger” hired by the Obama adminstration to chase down birther blogs.

PROBLEM: the right-wing blog that Ernie himself cited contains no such name. Nowhere. Not once.

CONCLUSION: ‘Ernest’ got caught telling a lie.

QUESTION: are these birthers simply brain-addled? or are they all just congenital liars?

Hard to tell…

Hi Seditious223: you birthers continue to tell the most ridiculous lies, and imagine no one will catch you.

I went to the Social Security Death Index, a complete record of ALL persons who have died in our country since SSN was introduced.

Guess what? Thomas Woods, 042-68-4425, DOES NOT EXIST. No one has used this dead man’s name or number because IT IS NOT A VALID ASSIGNMENT. That name and number has never been used by anyone — except you, when you made it up.

“Social Security Death Index Search Results
85,156,742 Records
last updated on 9-28-2009

Field Value Records Results
SSN 042684425
Last Name WOODS Scanned
First Name THOMAS Scanned
** Nothing found **
Check your search criteria and/or make a less restrictive search.”

Now, Seditious223, you will of course claim that the evil Mr Obama has also conspired to remove Mr Woods from the list, or you will pursue some equally demented fantasy involving coverups and black helicopters.

For the meantime, however, you were challenged and you failed.

There is no Thomas Woods. There is no such SSN.

Birthers: caught in another lie. Surprise? Actually, no.

Meantime, go back to Moscow, and practice your disinformation from your home base in the KGB.

Hi Seditious223: you birthers continue to tell the most ridiculous lies, and imagine no one will catch you.

I went to the Social Security Death Index, a complete record of ALL persons who have died in our country since SSN was introduced.

Guess what? Thomas Woods, 042-68-4425, DOES NOT EXIST. No one has used this dead man's name or number because IT IS NOT A VALID ASSIGNMENT. That name and number has never been used by anyone — except you, when you made it up.

“Social Security Death Index Search Results
85,156,742 Records
last updated on 9-28-2009

Field Value Records Results
SSN 042684425
Last Name WOODS Scanned
First Name THOMAS Scanned
** Nothing found **
Check your search criteria and/or make a less restrictive search.”

Now, Seditious223, you will of course claim that the evil Mr Obama has also conspired to remove Mr Woods from the list, or you will pursue some equally demented fantasy involving coverups and black helicopters.

For the meantime, however, you were challenged and you failed.

There is no Thomas Woods. There is no such SSN.

Birthers: caught in another lie. Surprise? Actually, no.

Meantime, go back to Moscow, and practice your disinformation from your home base in the KGB.

Hi Seditious223: you birthers continue to tell the most ridiculous lies, and imagine no one will catch you.

I went to the Social Security Death Index, a complete record of ALL persons who have died in our country since SSN was introduced.

Guess what? Thomas Woods, 042-68-4425, DOES NOT EXIST. No one has used this dead man's name or number because IT IS NOT A VALID ASSIGNMENT. That name and number has never been used by anyone — except you, when you made it up.

“Social Security Death Index Search Results
85,156,742 Records
last updated on 9-28-2009

Field Value Records Results
SSN 042684425
Last Name WOODS Scanned
First Name THOMAS Scanned
** Nothing found **
Check your search criteria and/or make a less restrictive search.”

Now, Seditious223, you will of course claim that the evil Mr Obama has also conspired to remove Mr Woods from the list, or you will pursue some equally demented fantasy involving coverups and black helicopters.

For the meantime, however, you were challenged and you failed.

There is no Thomas Woods. There is no such SSN.

Birthers: caught in another lie. Surprise? Actually, no.

Meantime, go back to Moscow, and practice your disinformation from your home base in the KGB.

They cannot admit failure because it means they have to admit they “believed” the lies to start with…once they learn to deal with that it will be time to invest in the companies that produce anxiety meds, because sales will go through the roof!

Several real journalists have already searched the AP archives and lo and behold, the article never was authentic AP. Shocked?

Don't forget the $500,000 to $1 billion (depending on the level of delusion of the birthtard), he's spending with taxpayer money to defend himself.

Funny how they can never come up with proof.

Quoting Whirled Nut Daily's unsubstantiated drivel is the common mark of a birthtard.

And that can't be kosher. Uh oh. Another dot in her conspiratorial lunacy.

More on BoringRaver:

Gerry Nance (BorderRaven) wrote:
Art I Sect 3 “No person shall be a Senator who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty Years, and been nine Years a Citizen of the United States, and who shall not, when elected, be an Inhabitant of that State for which he shall be chosen.”

So any USA citizen can run for the Senate, but only a Natural Born Citizen, can run for POTUS. Senator Joe Biden, might be eligible for POTUS, but his party did not properly vet him, or Obama, therefore neither, should have been on the ballot for POTUS.
October 20, 2009 6:38:12 PM EDT from NPR.org

Nance is another delusional, anger driven lunatic that compulsively copies and pastes everywhere. This nut must have hundreds of logins and passwords just like Sam Sewell who calls himself Captain Steve.

Don't forget that prolific birthtards like Gerry “BorderRaven” Nance and Sam “Captain Steve” Sewell aside from posting on every board possible to spread their delusional FUD also post under numerous aliases.

So, let's consider the facts as traced on this board.

'Patriotic223' claimed to have the name and SSN of a dead man whose identity was stolen by Mr Obama. After being repeatedly challenged to produce evidence, he came up with one 'Thomas Woods', and an SSN.

PROBLEM: the Social Security Death Index reveals there has never been such a name attached to such a number. Ever.

CONCLUSION: 'Patriotic223' got caught telling a lie.

'Ernest' claimed to have the name of a “paid DOJ blogger” hired by the Obama adminstration to chase down birther blogs.

PROBLEM: the right-wing blog that Ernie himself cited contains no such name. Nowhere. Not once.

CONCLUSION: 'Ernest' got caught telling a lie.

QUESTION: are these birthers simply brain-addled? or are they all just congenital liars?

Hard to tell…

Would you consider that they are disillusioned and really upset about the election loss.

Birthers don't realize that they are in the minority with the majority either thinking that they are congenital or wondering what birthers problem is.

AXJ studies trent1280 comments. Nonsense. Nothing to do with the subject matter. Just another useless OBAMA obot.

Your problem is your pattern.

Every time you claim to have 'proof' for one of your bizarre accusations, you birthers either run away from the demand, like Ernie did, or you manufacture falsehoods. Witness…

Unpatriotic223 claimed to have proof that Mr Obama stole the name and SSN of a dead man. When he finally coughed up his 'proof', it turned out to be another birther lie. Feel free to check the Social Security Death Index yourself. No such name has ever been attached to that number. Not once. Ever. Patty told a lie.

And on and on it goes.

Why does this matter? Because you crackpots have a track record of trading in counterfeit documents, offering non-existent 'proof', distorting the historical record, evading any scholarly obligation to adduce evidence, and ultimately trying to lie to the great American people.

Your friend, the well-known dentist Orly Taitz Esq, is going down in flames. She will soon be disbarred.

Why? Because her blunders, distortions and fabrications have caught up with her. They are now catching up with you. We all remember the photographs of your mother, on the beach. Have fun!

If the Obama's lawyers produce the required authentic untampered with documents in court on January 26th then I have a lot of crow to eat & Alan Keyes will have yet another loss to add to his record (which is as bad as Lincoln's). If the Obama stonewalls or stalls yet again on providing evidence he is a natural-born citizen then we should fly our flags upside down & at least one state should secede for a remnant of Americans to migrate to. It says in Proverbs “Pride goeth before a fall and a haughty spirit before destruction.” We'll see about that in January. The obots better get busy drinking their kool-aid.

Why don't you just put the crow in the oven now. It doesn't take that long to cook, and you could finish it tonight.

There is no “proof” that satisfies lunatics like you that subscribe to bizarre, unfounded conspiracy theories. You're a desperate liar, a pathetic fool and an embarrassment to true Americans.

No one believes your traitorous garbage.

And like the 55 frivolous, tax money wasting cases before it, this and all other birfer suits will be dismissed for all of the right reasons.

“When Barack Hussein Obama places his hand on the Bible today to take the oath of office as 44th president of the United States, Barbara Nelson of Kenmore will undoubtedly think back to the day he was born. It was Aug. 4, 1961, at Kapi’olani Medical Center for Women & Children in Honolulu.”

http://www.buffalonews.com/494/story/554495.html

Anyone who believes the fantasy that there will even BE a court hearing on January 26, is suffering from cognitive rigidity and should be hospitalized and placed on serious drugs. The case will be dismissed long before that. Judge Carter has just taken under Judicial Notice, the results of the Kerchner case in which Oily Titz was sanctioned. Can you say DISMISSAL?

Ahh, poor Graham the Red: still living in FantasyLand. Pitiful.

“… produce the required…” Required? Required by whom? You? Your fellow birther crackpots? This is your most arrogant, ridiculous assertion yet.

Comparing Alan Keyes to Abraham Lincoln? Are you nuts?

“one state should secede”, you wrote — and now your seditionist agenda is revealed. You favor breaking the Union if you do not get your wanton way. You are prepared to destroy America if you do not get — yet another — day in court. You are a traitor, and the proof is in your own words.

“At least one state should secede”, you wrote — a reckless demand you will never be allowed to forget. Thank you for helping!!

By your own writing you stand condemned as a subversive out to wreck America. You commies are all the same — do anything and say anything to subvert our great nation.

Back to Moscow, Graham the Red, and take the other secessionist traitors with you!

Red didn't say which Lincoln. I'm thinking it must be Charles Lincoln, Orly's paramour/paralegal. Chucky and Alan are both crazy and both losers.

But I think Honest Abe should have to provide his original hospital-issued birth certificate, showing where he was born, the name of the hospital, the doctor who delivered him, and who is parents were. Otherwise, he couldn't be eligible to be President. Because the Constitution requires all of that.

Oh.

Nevermind.

Graham the Red has had time to recant.

He has had time to reconsider.

He has had time to apologize for his traitorous views, and for advocating the breakup of America. He pretends to be an American, but in fact he is a traitor.

“one state should secede”, he wrote — and now his seditionist agenda is revealed.

Graham the Red: You favor breaking the Union if you do not get your wanton way. You are prepared to destroy America if you do not get — yet another — day in court. You are a traitor, and the proof is in your own words.

If you will not apologize for your foolish and seditionist views, we call on all the other birthers out there to do so for you.

If they and you do not recant your open wish to cause a state to secede, we will have incontrovertible proof of your real goal: the destruction of this great country.

Apologize. Be a man. Be an American!

Graham the Red advocates secession if the birthers do not get their crazed way. The proof? HIS OWN WORDS, as below.

To secede from the Union is to reignite a Civil War.

To advocate secession is to betray America.

If the birthers do NOT condemn Graham the Red and his anti-American, traitorous and secessionist views, they too will stand condemned of treason — as proven in their own words.

Today we learned their real agenda: the destruction of our great country.

We thought they just hated Mr Obama. Today, we learned — in their own words — that they hate America.

I see that no birther has yet been patriotic enough to denounce Graham the Red and his secessionist threats.

No birther has repudiated the disgusting view that one state (or more) should secede from our Union if the birthers don't get their way.

No birther has yet had the moral courage to denounce those who, like Graham the Red, want America to break up if the birthers don't succeed.

The silence of Raving Boarder, AXJ, Ernest, Patriotic223 — who are likely the same person — is stunning.

These phonies pose as patriots but, push to shove, they would rather destroy America if they could. Proof? Look below at the treasonous threats made by Graham the Red:

“If the Obama stonewalls or stalls yet again on providing evidence he is a natural-born citizen then we should fly our flags upside down & at least one state should secede for a remnant of Americans to migrate to.”

These traitors hate America. No wonder they are ridiculed everywhere they go.
Those who truly love America will have nothing to do with these birther seditionists.

We know they hate Mr Obama. Why do they hate America so much that they advocate its breakup?

A great series of upcoming news stories will be 1. Orly Taitz's appeal denied. 2. (Hopefully) Orly Taitz jailed for contempt of court (when she refused to pay the fine). 3. (Great) A series of jetliners loaded with all birthtards leaving for another country to live FOREVER.

The civil war has already started and our country has already been destroyed by the mere fact we have a usurper in the Whitehouse. My mission from God is to keep this issue alive until the truth finally comes out about Obama not being a natural-born citizen. If I am proven wrong I will apologize profusely. Until then I will give-up only when they pry my cold dead fingers from the keyboard.

Obama hates America and is out to destroy it.

You are an admitted traitor. Go back to Moscow. Take your Russian pal Orly Taitz with you.

“Mission from God”? Ha ha. What a self-righteous lunatic.

“Mission from God”? Ha ha. You've been watching the Blues Brothers.

And you've been stealing from Charlton Heston, too. “Pry my cold dead fingers…” Ha ha. You guys really are nuts. Certifiably, authentically, self-aggrandizingly cuckoo.

So self-important, self-satisfied, self-deluded, poisoned with lies and loathing that you have lost all self-respect, and all grasp of reality.

You are an admitted traitor, Graham the Red, more concerned with your hateful fantasies than with the stability of our great nation. Anyone who advocates secession is a traitor. Period. A traitor.

You birthers hate America, first to last.

Back to Moscow with all of you!

This is an excerpt from Obama's lawyers attempt to quash the evidence & dismiss the case Keyes v. Obama scheduled for January 26th.
1. The defendant was not notified in advance of the serving of the subpoena (which is required in the case of a request for personal records). This makes the subpoena invalid.
2. The student records could have no possible bearing on the case (which dealt with whether the California Secretary of State and the California electors had a duty to verify Obama’s eligibility).
3. The whole thing is moot, since the Secretary of State already certified the election and the electors already voted.
Pretty telling isn't it?

Pretty telling?

Only to a nut, on a self-declared 'mission from God'.

Only to a fanatic, mired in the quicksand of obsession.

Only to a birther, with an admitted determination to see America break up, and our great Union torn to pieces.

Yes, Graham the Red, pretty telling.

By the way, Graham the Red, you stole your entire 'comment' from
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2009/02/keyes-v-…

which was posted way back on 19 February 2009.

You don't have an original thought in your 'head'. You fanatics simply steal from one another, churning away like a washer that is stuck permanently at “agitate”.

You steal without attribution. You obsess without cause. Your hatreds have poisoned you. You imagine you are on a “mission from God”.

Then you wonder why you are ridiculed? Sheesh.

You forgot the one about “Orly Taitz disbarred for complete ignorance of the law, refuses to accept disbarment, and continues to try to file nonsense cases in court.”

Wow. First you can't dispute his birth certificate. Then you get into illogical arguments. Now, you are engaging into more absurd propaganda. Honestly, don't get to absorbed in your disillusion. It will damage critically thinking.

That's the way Oily works. Since she can't write anything for herself, she takes from other attornies like Kreep and Berg.

Well, there's not enough of you to fill up a state. Not even if you were all to go to Rhode Island. Maybe you all can go to the Bikini Atoll?

You're a traitor and a coward. You should be in prison for the rest of your miserable life.

What's telling is that you are a traitor to the U.S., a despicable coward and a pathological liar.

You are a traitor to the U.S., a despicable coward and a pathological liar. You belong in prison.

Get a life, you loser. You hate America. Leave.

yup, empty. says nothing. this case is going to trial on the merits.

This is an excerpt from Obama's lawyers attempt to quash the evidence & dismiss the case Keyes v. Obama scheduled for January 26th.
1. The defendant was not notified in advance of the serving of the subpoena (which is required in the case of a request for personal records). This makes the subpoena invalid.
2. The student records could have no possible bearing on the case (which dealt with whether the California Secretary of State and the California electors had a duty to verify Obama’s eligibility).
3. The whole thing is moot, since the Secretary of State already certified the election and the electors already voted.

Pretty telling isn't it?

Yes pathetic, empty. We are going to trial on the merits.

Yes, you are pathetic. Posting all over the Internet. When the case is dismissed we are all encouraged by your pending suicide. Just one question: If someone with multiple personalities threatens to kill himself — is it a hostage situation?

Yes it is fun! For us! You lost, just as we said you would.

How does it feel to lose again?

Judge Carter just emphatically granted the Motion to Dismiss, as we told you he would do.

And he took special care to note the incompetence of Orly Taitz.

Go back to AXJ and WND and commiserate with the rest of the birthtards.

Bye!

http://www.scribd.com/doc/21808122/Judge-Carter...

Federal courts don’t give advisory opinions to Congress.

How does it feel to lose again?

Judge Carter just emphatically granted the Motion to Dismiss, as we told you he would do.

And he took special care to note the incompetence of Orly Taitz.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/21808122/Judge-Carter...

Judge David Carter just dismissed the Barnett v. Obama case. Orly on meds. Red Graham pointing gun to his head. AJX fighting with his other personalities.

ENJOY Birthers: http://theregulator.net/?p=6259

Oops, wrong URL:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/21808122/Judge-Carter…

Taitz is done.

And Judge Carter went out of his way to slam Orly Taitz as incompetent. See pages 28-30: “Conduct of Plaintiffs' Counsel.”

Telling how you lost, again!

Judge Carter just emphatically granted the Motion to Dismiss, as we told you he would do. No discovery. No trial.

And he took special care to note the incompetence and unethical conduct of Orly Taitz.

Go back to AXJ and WND and commiserate with the rest of the birthtards.

Bye!

http://www.scribd.com/doc/21808122/Judge-Carter…

The case is not going to trial on the merits. You just lost. We were right. You were wrong.

Judge Carter just emphatically granted the Motion to Dismiss, as we told you he would do. No discovery. No trial.

Go back to AXJ and WND and commiserate with the rest of the birthtards.

Bye!

http://www.scribd.com/doc/21808122/Judge-Carter…

Orly Taitz, Carl Swennson and Mario Apuzzo all died together in a massive bicycle accident and found themselves at the Pearly Gates. After in-processing with St. Peter, they demanded an audience with God and it was granted.

Finding themselves in the throne room of the Lord, Orly Taitz handed God photocopies of two Kenyan birth certificates and then demanded he immediately remove the usurper and de facto President, Barry Soetoro.

“But,” said God, “He was born in Honolulu, Hawaii on August 4, 1961. I have his COLB right here”

Mario Apuzzo piped up, “But that doesn’t matter, Lord. His father was never an American Citizen, so he cannot be a natural born citizen according to Vattel.”

“De Vattel has nothing to do with it,” responded God. “The framers used british Common Law as their standard, so you only need to be born on American Soil to be an NBC.”

“But Lord,” chimed in Carl Swennson as he handed over a pile of presentments, “He lost his status as a natural born citizen when he was adopted by his Indonesian stepfather, Lolo Soetoro.”

God shook his mighty head. “He was never adopted, Carl. And even if he was, it would have had exactly zero effect on his status as a natural born American citizen.”

Orly, Mario and Carl looked at each other baffled for a moment until Orly finally broke the stunned silence.

“Oh my God,” she exclaimed. “The conspiracy goes even higher than we thought!!!”

No, you are not going to trial on the merits.

You lost again. No discovery, no trial.

Admit you were wrong and we were right. Come on, you can do it!

http://www.scribd.com/doc/21808122/Judge-Carter…

“Plaintiffs have encouraged the Court to ignore these mandates of the Constitution; to disregard the limits on its power put in place by the Constitution … Plaintiffs have attacked the judiciary, including every prior court that has dismissed their claim, as unpatriotic and even treasonous for refusing to grant their requests and for adhering to the terms of the Constitution which set forth its jurisdiction. Respecting the constitutional role and jurisdiction of this Court is not unpatriotic. Quite the contrary, this Court considers commitment to that constitutional role to be the ultimate reflection of patriotism.”

LMAO ! ! !

Oh well, Orly's still got a couple of weeks to pay up in Georgia. Guess I was wrong about Judge Carter waiting for her to pay…but it was fun pulling the same stunt on the blowers that they think will get them a Judge to ignore our constitution and laws.

Funny! Love it.

ROFLMAO!! That's great!

Next up…Orly's disbarment.

LOL…that's a funny article!

Actually…read the dismissal…there are no merits to go to trial on. No merit, no standing, no justicability!

Yeah, right.

What trial?

What merits?

You have no case, you have no cause, and you have no meaning in life other than to sanction and advocate treason. Go back to Moscow with your other agents of disinformation!

Very well said.

It will be fun to hear from Graham the Red, Ernest, Unpatriotic223, AJX and the other seditionist traitors on this Board.

Where will they go now?

Back to Moscow with their anti-American hatreds, one can only hope. These jerks are enough to give the KGB a bad name.

Hey, Cornyliar, I've got it!!! You can PROVE to all these non-believers that you really are that cute blond (or brunette or redhead…I never bothered) real easy. I KNOW you want to go to the blower rally at FOX against Bill O'Reilly…so just put a sign on with your screen name printed large and you'll get captured on camera. Then, everyone will see you don't lie. And, by all means, ask your husband along…it will help if it doesn't look like blowers are only caucasian.

According to the foolish and illiterate AJX, “yup, empty. says nothing. this case is going to trial on the merits.”

Well… how did that work out for you, traitor?

The birthers and their dazzlingly incompetent 'attorney', the well-known dentist Orly Taitz, Esq, have been utterly discredited in Judge Carter's disposition of their so-called 'case' today.

Like every other birther attack on our system, this too has failed.

Their documents are forgeries. Their claims are false. Their standing is non-existent. Their remedies are unconstitutional. Their lies are endless. And their hysteria?

Immaculate. It cannot be touched by reason or fact.

Next? Orly Taitz will be disbarred.

Couldn't happen to a nicer nitwit.

Much to the relief of trained and honorable lawyers everywhere…

Uhhh… Axie: when exactly are you “going to trial”?

I must have missed that part of today's dismissal.

You birthers are colossal failures. Perhaps if your premise wasn't based on lies, forgeries and disinformation you wouldn't look quite so foolish.

Again.

The birthers and their dazzlingly incompetent 'attorney', the well-known dentist Orly Taitz, Esq, have been utterly discredited in Judge Carter's disposition of their so-called 'case' today.

Like every other birther attack on our system, this too has failed.

Their documents are forgeries. Their claims are false. Their standing is non-existent. Their remedies are unconstitutional. Their lies are endless. And their hysteria?

Immaculate. It cannot be touched by reason or fact.

Next? Orly Taitz will be disbarred.

Couldn't happen to a nicer nitwit.

“We'll see about that in January,” you wrote.

How's that prediction working out for you traitors?

You birthers and your dazzlingly incompetent 'attorney', the well-known dentist Orly Taitz, Esq, have been utterly discredited in Judge Carter's disposition of their so-called 'case' today.

Like every other birther attack on our system, this too has failed.

Their documents are forgeries. Their claims are false. Their standing is non-existent. Their remedies are unconstitutional. Their lies are endless. And their hysteria?

Immaculate. It cannot be touched by reason or fact.

Next? Orly Taitz will be disbarred.

Couldn't happen to a nicer nitwit.

Time and time again birther cases have been dismissed, but for various reason. Actually, that is not true. Each case gets dismiss with references to the previous case. It is over. period. Any more cases will only use up valuable court time that can be spent on more important issues. I doubt that this is the last. However, you have it accept that this is officially over.

AXJ is nothing but a pusher of misinformation and propaganda. Orly Taitz's argument are based on ignorance and framed arguments.

The birthers don't even know what “merits” are.

Agreed. Could he just of gotten tied of her using the courts as a political tool, and decided to expedite it.

Well, if they would stop ranting, and actually READ Judge Carters ruling, they would see that there were no merits to begin with and the Judge thoroughly trounced the entire Birther movement.

The air has been sucked out of the Birthtards lungs…aside from a few boards, they have slid back into the shadows where they came from…LOL!

The Obama/Holder/DOJ loons posting in defense of Obama on every website that speaks against the administration are PAID WITH OUR TAX DOLLARS to blog, search “The Obama Justice Department’s Secret Blogging Team… Is it Illegal?” and see for yourself! Also search “TRACY RUSSO, DOJ BLOGGERS” and learn how “BIG” (ACTUALLY MASSIVE!) TRACY RUSSO and the DOJ are ILLEGALLY wasting OUR TAX DOLLARS TO SUPPORT THE TOTALLY EVIL MARXIST, GLOBALIST POLICIES of CONSTITUTIONALLY ILLEGAL OBAMA! OBAMA HAS ALMOST NO “GRASSROOTS SUPPORT”, THE FALSE IMPRESSION HE DOES IS BEING FOSTERED and FED BY THE DOJ PAID BLOGGING TEAM! HOW LOW WILL WE ALLOW OBAMA/HOLDER/DOJ TO STOOP BEFORE THE UPSTANDING CITIZENS of THIS NATION ARISE AND FIGHT?! THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION IS A TOTAL DISGRACE FROM TOP TO BOTTOM!

Take your crap elsewhere. This forum is for making fun of Oily Taste.

That is Oily! Who else would come on here and call themselves an attorney with such ridiculous claims in all caps? I only wish I could get paid for posting truth. I spend my own time on my own computer on my own internet connect researching and reading. I even go to the library, and it is all on my own time and dime. The facts are what these fools don't want to accept. Especially Oily. She is a traitor to the United States. I hope they deport her a**. She does not deserve to retain an American citizenship. She should go back where she came from.

Na, na, na, na
Na, na, na, na,

Hey, hey, hey, (kiss it) Goodbye!

Well, Miss 'Attorney', it appears you couldn't get into a law school any better than the one your pal and fellow traitor Orly Taitz attended — you know, no law school at all.

Your co-conspirator Orly is soon to be disbarred for her incompetence, for her dissembling, for suborning perjury, for filing illiterate and frivolous motions, and for similar proofs of idiocy.

Judging by your upper-case screeching, you have already been removed from all positions of authority. Rightly so.

Your claims of “paid DOJ bloggers” were nicely disposed of on this board some days ago. The person who made those bizarre, false and laughable claims hasn't been heard of since. He had no evidence, no proof, no facts — nothing. Neither do you. All you do is screech.

Like yourself, Miss Attorney, all he had was hysteria.

You are a crackpot, first to last. No one believes a word you say. Get used to it.

Better yet, go back to Moscow, and take your fellow KGB agents of disinformation with you. You and your hatred are unwelcome in our beautiful country. Traitors and subversives like you are not welcome in America.

Get used to it.

If you aren't Oily Titz, you must have attended the same unaccredited online law school that she did. Take your meds.

“Antibirther” = Cheaply paid DOJ liar. Tell FAT TRACY RUSSO to ESAD, MF.

“Attorney” = unpaid lunatic.

Tell Orly to go back on her meds, or go back to Russia.

You and your other KGB disinformation agents have no place in America. You are traitors to our nation, subversives wasting the time of our courts, and certified paranoids obsessing about an election you lost.

And you wonder why people laugh at you?

BTW, 'ESAD' refers to the Empire State Association of the Deaf. It's good that you belong to this excellent organization.

Birthers have always been poor listeners.

And 'MF' of course refers to Molto Forza, the Italian expression that means very strong, very effective, much force.

In a strange way, 'Attorney' using this term underscores the very weakness and ineffectiveness of the birthers and their laughably collapsing sedition.

Well done, Miss 'Attorney'. You reveal more than you intend. Keep it up!

So once we actually know what citizenship Obama listed is on his college records and what is stated on the original Hawaiian BC we can pretty well give up on the idea he's not a natural-born US citizen. Both easy fixes if The Great Usurper would just go ahead and release those documents. It would be a lot cheaper than paying over a million dollars to conceal them.

I'm not the one who stood next to Governor Richardson & Mrs. Clinton during the National Anthem with my folded hands pointed toward the ground & my feet over a foot apart with a smug look on my face while everybody else present put their hand over their heart or saluted solemnly. Obama is an anti-American usurper. He needs to resign ASAP.

Graham the Red: no one believes a word you say about anything.

You are an admitted traitor to the United States.

You are a confessed seditionist.

You have called for secession by one of our states, this the same subversion that led to our Civil War.

You advocate the overthrow of our government, and the destruction of our Union. You were discredited by your own words when you called for secession, you goof.

Go back to Moscow, Graham the Red, and take your fellow commie subversive Orly Taitz with you!

Graham the Red: no one believes a word you say about anything.

You are an admitted traitor to the United States.

You are a confessed seditionist.

You have called for secession by one of our states, this the same subversion that led to our Civil War.

You advocate the overthrow of our government, and the destruction of our Union. You were discredited by your own words when you called for secession, you goof.

Go back to Moscow, Graham the Red, and take your fellow commie subversive Orly Taitz with you!

Dr. Taitz response in part:Citizens seem to have no voice, they have no standing to bring any legal actions in face of any fraud. They only have standing to pay taxes and pay for the judges, clerks, congress and senate who never address any issues. They should have no concerns about an inhabitant of the White house sporting 39 social security numbers, some are the social security numbers of the deceased. How long will it take for those citizens to revolt? Washington Post has written that 8 out of 10 Americans know about this issue. According to AOL-it’s 85%. This number is growing. How long will those people be silent? 4,5 million marched on Washington DC on September the 12th. How many will march next time around, when so many loose their jobs (half a million jobs every month officially) and probably double that number unofficially. When they loose their homes at a rate higher then the rate during great depression. When they become numb from hatred against this fraudulent usurper in the White House, corrupt politicians and corrupt judges. Who will stop them?

Graham the Red: no one believes a word you say about anything.

You are an admitted traitor to the United States.

You are a confessed seditionist.

You have called for secession by one of our states, this the same subversion that led to our Civil War.

You advocate the overthrow of our government, and the destruction of our Union. You were discredited by your own words when you called for secession, you goof.

Go back to Moscow, Graham the Red, and take your fellow commie subversive Orly Taitz with you!

BTW, you are at best a semi-literate. You make the same childish spelling error again and again.

You and Orly wrote, “When they loose their homes…”, “so many loose their jobs…”, etc etc.

You meant to write “lose”, not “loose”. Why are you crackpots so poorly educated? Why did the KGB train you so ineptly? Did you think we wouldn't spot the tell-tale signs of your foreign, America-hating birth?

We demand answers to these important questions!

You know trent, that's interesting. They are typing like they talk, with an accent. So where you from originally Red?

Almost certainly from behind the Iron Curtain, where he and Orly Taitz Esq were trained in KGB disinformation techniques. Too bad they weren't taught how to spell.

Red it is over. Please give it up.

Fact. Obama is the duly elected president of America.
Fact. Obama is a natural born citizen of America.

Please take some time and read the ruling.

cheap attorney. It is hard to understand why you continue with your disillusion. One thing that you fail to realize is that it is over. Filing any more lawsuit will just further damage will only result in them being dismissed. If you were a real lawyer you would realize this, but we suspect that you are not.

“Antibither” is a reasonable person who looks at the facts and makes their decisions based on that.

Many reasonable people have debunked your and other birthers nonsense.

So you have a choice. You can either continue in your disillusion or accept that your previous position was wrong.

This is what all the birthtards are singing these days:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6s8C2DvfGo

The Obama/Holder/DOJ loons posting in defense of Obama on every website that speaks against the administration are PAID WITH OUR TAX DOLLARS to blog, search “The Obama Justice Department’s Secret Blogging Team… Is it Illegal?” and see for yourself! Also search “TRACY RUSSO, DOJ BLOGGERS” and learn how “BIG” (ACTUALLY MASSIVE!) TRACY RUSSO and the DOJ are ILLEGALLY wasting OUR TAX DOLLARS TO SUPPORT THE TOTALLY EVIL MARXIST, GLOBALIST POLICIES of CONSTITUTIONALLY ILLEGAL OBAMA! OBAMA HAS ALMOST NO “GRASSROOTS SUPPORT”, THE FALSE IMPRESSION HE DOES IS BEING FOSTERED and FED BY THE DOJ PAID BLOGGING TEAM! HOW LOW WILL WE ALLOW OBAMA/HOLDER/DOJ TO STOOP BEFORE THE UPSTANDING CITIZENS of THIS NATION ARISE AND FIGHT?! THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION IS A TOTAL DISGRACE FROM TOP TO BOTTOM!

It now seems clear that something is wrong with Orly Taitz' backstory. Consider:

1. she admits she was born in Russia
2. she comes to the US under mysterious circumstances
3. she is admitted to the California bar, but concedes she never actually attended law school
4. she also runs some sort of front as a dentist, and a realtor.

For many people, this suggests only one thing. Orly Taitz is, in fact, an? agent of disinformation for the KGB.

She is a Russian-born subversive.

Well, I just got a call from my boss at the DOJ that I've been laid off. So, I'm not that enthusiastic about defending Obama anymore even though all you birthtards are delusional.

It is SOOOO funny to read your rant. Obama has more than enough grassroot support here in the good ole' USA. Go back to Russia, bitch!

Permit me to point out that this is the same 'Ernest' who, over a week ago, tried to claim that he had the names of “paid DOJ bloggers”.

He claimed that one name appeared in a right-wing blog he cited.

When I read that blog, there was no name. None. Zero. He lied about his own lies. He avoided repeated challenges to provide proof. He failed. He continues to fail.

Then Ernie ran away for a week, and today comes back with the same tired old lies. Yet again, no names. No proof. No evidence. Nothing. Just hysteria.

Ernie (or Orly, or AJX, or Patriotic223, or Raving Boarder, or whoever you pretend to be today), do yourselves a favor. Instead of looking like an upper-case fool, screeching like a barn owl, just provide documentation.

Otherwise, sane people will think you are once again eluding your nurse.

Meantime, dear friend — NO ONE believes a word you say. Your track record of lies, distortion and deceit undoes you. Sorry to have to point out the obvious.

Back to the nice nurse, now!

The issue remains. A Registry of a Certification of Live Birth is not a Birth Certificate and proves nothing. Obama must present his documentation like any other American. See you in the Supreme Court next week.

Are you nuts?

What 'Supreme Court'? You lose every court case you bring, Orly, and cost the taxpayers millions.

Some people are planning a lawsuit against YOU to force you to reimburse the taxpayers for the MILLIONS you have wasted in court time and resources, and legal fees, answering your demented accusations.

Where will Mr Obama be born next week? Voodooville?

Go back to Russia, Orly. Your contempt for America and our values is right at home there. Not here.

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November 1, 2009, 10:18PM

AXJ SERVER IN SPAIN KNOCKED OUT.

We just received news that one of AXJ servers has been knocked off the internet as they were downloading new pics sent to them by AXJ-Hawaii of Obama's supposed mother in Hawaii in the summer of 1961 on the beach in a bikini and NOT PREGNANT.

This is only postponing the inevititable since all members of the US Congress will be downloading and receiving copies in real time.

AXJ-HAWAII has been doing its homework and recovered pics in local magazines and publications dating from 1959 when Obama Sr. was received on the Island by Stanley Dunham.

This and pics of Stanley Dunham in France in October 1944 has opened a whole new realm of the true background of Mr. Obama's family.

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November 1, 2009, 10:18PM

AXJ SERVER IN SPAIN KNOCKED OUT.

We just received news that one of AXJ servers has been knocked off the internet as they were downloading new pics sent to them by AXJ-Hawaii of Obama's supposed mother in Hawaii in the summer of 1961 on the beach in a bikini and NOT PREGNANT.

This is only postponing the inevititable since all members of the US Congress will be downloading and receiving copies in real time.

AXJ-HAWAII has been doing its homework and recovered pics in local magazines and publications dating from 1959 when Obama Sr. was received on the Island by Stanley Dunham.

This and pics of Stanley Dunham in France in October 1944 has opened a whole new realm of the true background of Mr. Obama's family.

Boy you know nothing. Check the list of cases for November 6, 2009 in the Supreme Court. Judge Roberts and Obama will be on the stand.

Mr. Dunham was serving our country overseas during the WWII. Since France was one of the places our soliders were AI wouldn't be surprised to see he may have been there. Many of our guys were in France as that was one of the places occupied by the Nazi's. Stanley Ann's parents both served the war effort, him overseas and her mom in a factory in the States.

You birthers are pathetic liars, and ignorant boobs.

6 November 2009 is listed on the SCOTUS docket as “Private Justices' Conference”. There are no cases. No one will “be on the stand”. There is no stand that day.

Do you birther clowns ever get anything right?

What morons.

BTW, correctly it is “Justice” Roberts and “President” Obama.

Or have you forged a Mombassa birth certificate for Justice Roberts too?

Not that anyone believes a word that AXJ Rocks in the Head says about anything, but here's the SOURCE for the SCOTUS calendar for 6 November 2009:

http://www.scotusblog.com/wp/

Perhaps he's referring to the 'Judge Roberts' and 'Obama' at the Supreme Court of Voodooville…

No?

These birthers are lunatics, first to last.

And by the way, having gone through a pregnancy at 18, I can tell you that one of the great things about a pregnancy at that age is that 18 year old skin is very elastic and can return to it's pre-pregnant state quickly. I didn't show my pregnancy very early, kept a waist line through-out, walked to the hospital to give birth and went home from the hospital in pre-pregnancy clothes and I was back at work within two weeks. My cousin was water skiing the day after giving birth. Some of us do pregnancy better than others of us. I could have been in a bikini right after giving birth and looked even better than I did pre-pregnant. August 4th is still summer in Hawaii, so what's your point?

You missed the point. Why would Hawaii then? It never happened. He was adopted. Plain and simple.

Stanley Ann Dunham was not in Hawaii in August of 1961. That is a proven fact.

Both “factcheck.org” and “Fight the Smears” (Obama’s OWN website) have publish an ADMISSION that Obama was governed at birth by his father’s British/Kenyan citizenship. That is the ONLY time a person can attain United States “natural born Citizen” status, thus Obama ADMITS he is not, and can never become, a “natural born Citizen” of the United States. Direct quote : “When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.
Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4,1982.”……..There is no law on Earth that would have caused Obama’s British/Kenyan citizenship to automatically expire on August 2, 1982. Obama is well aware he cannot meet the Constitutional requirement to hold office, that’s why his first official act as president was to sign “Executive Order Number 13489?, which seals ALL his records, public AND private. That is unprecedented and 100% evil. So much for Obama’s instantly broken promise of “transparency”. No one with common sense trusts Obama – NO ONE!

ha ha

God knocked them out.

He is tired of your ceaseless lying.

Youmustbejoking – Surrre you did! I'm sure those thick pads really accentuated your bikini and your massively obvious stretch marks, liar

Youmustbejoking – Why don't you take your lies and delusions elsewhere? We know you're working for FAT TRACEY RUSSO!

Actually, it is a proven fact that you are a nut case.

Tell us again about the Supreme Court docket for 9 November 2009?

We're waiting… and waiting… and waiting.

trent1280 – Is Obama “entertaining” LARRY SINCLAIR or one of his other queer boyfriends tonight?

The Obama/Holder/DOJ loons posting in defense of Obama on every website that speaks against the administration are PAID WITH OUR TAX DOLLARS to blog, search “The Obama Justice Department’s Secret Blogging Team… Is it Illegal?” and see for yourself! Also search “TRACY RUSSO, DOJ BLOGGERS” and learn how “BIG” (ACTUALLY MASSIVE!) TRACY RUSSO and the DOJ are ILLEGALLY wasting OUR TAX DOLLARS TO SUPPORT THE TOTALLY EVIL MARXIST, GLOBALIST POLICIES of CONSTITUTIONALLY ILLEGAL OBAMA! OBAMA HAS ALMOST NO “GRASSROOTS SUPPORT”, THE FALSE IMPRESSION HE DOES IS BEING FOSTERED and FED BY THE DOJ PAID BLOGGING TEAM! HOW LOW WILL WE ALLOW OBAMA/HOLDER/DOJ TO STOOP BEFORE THE UPSTANDING CITIZENS of THIS NATION ARISE AND FIGHT?! THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION IS A TOTAL DISGRACE FROM TOP TO BOTTOM!

Hey Ernie! Good to see you back. We've been missing your unique brand of craziness.

So, who exactly are your “paid DOJ bloggers”? You had over a week to produce your evidence, and we're still waiting.

You name: a name, an employment number, a contract number, an office address… anything?

Or do you just make this stuff up like your master, the Russian KGB agent Orly Taitz tells you to do?

trent1280 – We see your poorly written, ignorant DOJ comments on every blog. How is FAT PIG TRACY RUSSO doing? You DOJ paid bloggers are total losers!

This could be interesting! Obots ATTENTION!

Saturday, October 31, 2009
ORLY'S CASE STILL ALIVE?…DID JUDGE SCREW UP OR DID HE LEAVE DOOR OPEN ON PURPOSE?…
Carter’s not yet given a final Judgement

October 30, 2009 by John Charlton
HAS FAILED TO IMPLEMENT RULES 54 AND 58

Legal analysis by John Charlton

(Oct. 30, 2009) — Dispite all his rancor and loony constitutional theories, Judge David O. Carter has failed to give final judgment in the case Barnett vs. Obama, leaving the door open to further filings and proceedings.

His ruling has not dismissed the case, but rather merely dismissed arguments presented so far. This is the interpretation had if you read the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure 54 and 58.

Rule 54(b) reads as follows:

(b) Judgment on Multiple Claims or Involving Multiple Parties.

When an action presents more than one claim for relief — whether as a claim, counterclaim, crossclaim, or third-party claim — or when multiple parties are involved, the court may direct entry of a final judgment as to one or more, but fewer than all, claims or parties only if the court expressly determines that there is no just reason for delay. Otherwise, any order or other decision, however designated, that adjudicates fewer than all the claims or the rights and liabilities of fewer than all the parties does not end the action as to any of the claims or parties and may be revised at any time before the entry of ajudgment adjudicating all the claims and all the parties’ rights and liabilities.

Rule 58 (a & b) reads as follows:

(a) Separate Document.

Every judgment and amended judgment must be set out in a separate document, but a separate document is not required for an order disposing of a motion:

(1) for judgment under Rule 50(b);

(2) to amend or make additional findings under Rule 52(b);

(3) for attorney’s fees under Rule 54;

(4) for a new trial, or to alter or amend the judgment, under Rule 59; or

(5) for relief under Rule 60.
(b) Entering Judgment.

(1) Without the Court’s Direction.

Subject to Rule 54(b) and unless the court orders otherwise, the clerk must, without awaiting the court’s direction, promptly prepare, sign, and enter the judgment when:

(A) the jury returns a general verdict;

(B) the court awards only costs or a sum certain; or

(C) the court denies all relief.

From this it can be seen that since the clerk has not yet added a Judgment record to the Docket, that Carter is indicating, despite his heavy handedness to the Plaintiffs, that he might allow a second amended complaint, which includes a request for relief for the political candidates, whom he acknowledged had standing, so long as their request for relief was redressable: such as a monetary reward howsoever small.

Judge Carter has from 10 to 30 days after his ruling on the Motion to Dismiss to add such a judgment dismissing the case with prejudice to the docket, otherwise he is formally indicating that he expects Dr. Orly Taitz, lead counsel for the plaintiffs, and Attorney Gary Kreep, for his plaintiffs, to submit a request to file a second amended complaint. Indeed, without such ruling added to the docket, the Plaintiffs can initiate such a request action.

Posted in Law Cases | Tagged Captain Pamela Barnett vs Obama, Dr. Orly Taitz, Gary Kreep, Judge David O. Carter, Rule 54(b), Rule 58 a & b | 2 Comments

1.
on October 31, 2009 at 5:19 AM Jack

Looks like Judge Carter HAS enabled checkmate against Team Obama after all:

Well done, Orly Taitz case moves forward solely for Plaintiff Keyes for redressable relief of monetary damages, thereby avoiding political question (leave that to Congress once Keyes recovers even nominal damages for pre-Presidential fraud against CandidateObama) and Team Obama has nothing to appeal to delay the trial.

2.
on October 30, 2009 at 10:43 PM Jack

CARTER DECISION FATAL FLAW: When all is said and done, ONE CLAIM MOST DEFINITELY SURVIVES, and that is Keyes’ claim for fraud committed by Candidate Obama before becoming President, which Judge Carter pretends away on the sole basis of Orly having filed same on 1/20/09 at an hour afterObama took the Oath. That’s a “red herring” because Obama took the valid Oath on 1/21/09, no Presidential immunity exists for tort fraud by Candidate Obama before becoming President, and “before-or-after” Oath filing by Orly is irrelevant for such case which does NOT seek Presidential removal, albeit Judge Carter pretends that IS the sole relief sought by Keyes.

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IT WOULD APPEAR THAT ORLY, COULD IN FACT, FILE A SECOND AMENDED COMPLAINT AND SIMPLY FILE A CLAIM FOR ELECTION FRAUD AGAINST OBAMA…SHE GETS A JUDGMENT…THE WHOLE WORLD IS THEN OFFICIALLY ON NOTICE THAT OBAMA IS A CRIMINAL…AND THEN THE PUBLIC CAN PUT PRESSURE ON CONGRESS TO HAVE HIM REMOVED, SINCE CARTER HAS BEGGED OFF.

trent1280 – Are you prepared for the all-out revolution that's coming to the USA because we have a totally unresponsive government? YOU FOOL!

Ernie, Ernie, Ernie: you're just repeating yourself, like a demented Xerox machine.

You claim to have the names of “paid DOJ bloggers”.

A week ago you ran away like a girl, unable to provide any proof at all.

Tonight you are back like a fact-challenged ferret.

Where is your evidence?

All you offer is upper case screeching from a lower class mind.

Pitiful.

Sadly, the author of the article is obviously not a legal scholar and has jumped to a totally erroneous conclusion, here is the long-standing legally accepted definition of “natural born Citizen”. Read carefully, then research anything you do not grasp. : E. de Vattel, The Law of Nations, bk 1, c. 19, sec. 212 (1758) (1759 first English translation); The Venus, 12 U.S. (8 Cranch) 253, 289 (1814) (Marshall, C.J., concurring) (cites Vattel’s definition of natural born citizens); Shanks v. Dupont, 28 U.S. 242, 245 (1830) (same definition without citing Vattel); Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 162, 167-68 (1875) (same definition without citing Vattel); Ex parte Reynolds, 1879, 5 Dill., 394, 402 (same definition and cites Vattel); United States v. Ward, 42 F.320 (C.C.S.D.Cal. 1890) (same definition and cites Vattel); U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898) (only declared under the Fourteenth Amendment a child born on U.S. soil to foreign parents and subject to the jurisdiction of the United States a “citizen of the United States” and not an Article II “natural born Citizen” and Fuller, C.J, dissenting confirming Vattel’s definition of a “natural born Citizen” ); Keith v. U.S., 8 Okla. 446; 58 P. 507 (Okla. 1899) (common law rule that the offspring of free persons followed the condition of the father was applied to determine the citizenship status of a child); Rep. John Bingham (in the House on March 9, 1866, in commenting on the Civil Rights Act of 1866 which was the precursor to the Fourteenth Amendment: “[I] find no fault with the introductory clause, which is simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution, that every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen. . . . ” Cong. Globe, 39th, 1st Session, 1291 (1866)); Sen Jacob Howard (the framer who co-wrote the Fourteenth Amendment citizenship clause stating in 1866 that the citizenship clause of the Fourteenth Amendment excluded persons born in the United States who were foreigners, aliens, or who belonged to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers. Congressional Globe, 39th Congress, 1st Session, May 30, 1866, p.2895, 2nd col.)) We requested that the Court enforce the United States Constitution, the supreme law of the land, and, given that Obama was not born in the country to a mother and father who were themselves United States citizens at his birth, not allow Obama to amend the Constitution by usurpation. U.S. Const. art. VI, cl. 2; George Washington, Farewell Address, 1796.

Sadly, the author of the article is obviously not a legal scholar and has jumped to a totally erroneous conclusion, here is the long-standing legally accepted definition of “natural born Citizen”. Read carefully, then research anything you do not grasp. : E. de Vattel, The Law of Nations, bk 1, c. 19, sec. 212 (1758) (1759 first English translation); The Venus, 12 U.S. (8 Cranch) 253, 289 (1814) (Marshall, C.J., concurring) (cites Vattel’s definition of natural born citizens); Shanks v. Dupont, 28 U.S. 242, 245 (1830) (same definition without citing Vattel); Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 162, 167-68 (1875) (same definition without citing Vattel); Ex parte Reynolds, 1879, 5 Dill., 394, 402 (same definition and cites Vattel); United States v. Ward, 42 F.320 (C.C.S.D.Cal. 1890) (same definition and cites Vattel); U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898) (only declared under the Fourteenth Amendment a child born on U.S. soil to foreign parents and subject to the jurisdiction of the United States a “citizen of the United States” and not an Article II “natural born Citizen” and Fuller, C.J, dissenting confirming Vattel’s definition of a “natural born Citizen” ); Keith v. U.S., 8 Okla. 446; 58 P. 507 (Okla. 1899) (common law rule that the offspring of free persons followed the condition of the father was applied to determine the citizenship status of a child); Rep. John Bingham (in the House on March 9, 1866, in commenting on the Civil Rights Act of 1866 which was the precursor to the Fourteenth Amendment: “[I] find no fault with the introductory clause, which is simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution, that every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen. . . . ” Cong. Globe, 39th, 1st Session, 1291 (1866)); Sen Jacob Howard (the framer who co-wrote the Fourteenth Amendment citizenship clause stating in 1866 that the citizenship clause of the Fourteenth Amendment excluded persons born in the United States who were foreigners, aliens, or who belonged to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers. Congressional Globe, 39th Congress, 1st Session, May 30, 1866, p.2895, 2nd col.)) We requested that the Court enforce the United States Constitution, the supreme law of the land, and, given that Obama was not born in the country to a mother and father who were themselves United States citizens at his birth, not allow Obama to amend the Constitution by usurpation. U.S. Const. art. VI, cl. 2; George Washington, Farewell Address, 1796.

Ernie, Ernie, Ernie: you're just repeating yourself, like a demented Xerox machine.

You claim to have the names of “paid DOJ bloggers”.

A week ago you ran away like a girl, unable to provide any proof at all.

Tonight you are back like a fact-challenged ferret.

Where is your evidence?

All you offer is upper case screeching from a lower class mind.

Pitiful.

trent1280 – I have saved, dated, and noted every comment you have posted. BTW, Several of your postings have been on MY blogs and from your “i.p.”, I know you and many others are posting from the same location in Virginia. Thanks, you morons!

Not that anyone believes a word Ernie the Eccentric has to say, but here is the actual text of Executive Order 13489.

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Executive_Order_1…

Notice the difference?

trent1280 – Now that you dimwits have been outed, go ahead and switch to the network that ATTEMPTS to show you are in Kansas. Thank you, John Cohen @ NSA!

trent1280 – “Executive Order Number 13489″ is quoted from the official White House website, NOT some offbeat “wiki” b/s. Way to go again, liar.

Ernie continues to tell lies. It appears he doesn't know any better.

He claims that Mr Obama's “first official act as president was to sign “Executive Order Number 13489″. This is yet another idiotic birther lie.

“In his first official act since taking the oath of office, Mr Obama issued a proclamation decreeing his inauguration day to be a “National Day of Renewal and Reconciliation” and calling for a national commitment to public service.”

SOURCE: Wall Street Journal

Next lie, Ernie?

Hi Ernie: I am delighted that you are circulating my posts. Please keep up the good work!

trent1280 – I have recorded many of your team's “i.p.” addresses and I WILL use them to seek federal indictments. You are violating federal law and if anyone has advised you otherwise, they have lied. Most of you “DOJ blogging team” folks, especially TRACY RUSSO, are going straight to prison.

No, Ernie, thank you!

The more widely you circulate our challenges to your demented rubbish, the better.

BTW, what are the names you claim to have of the “paid DOJ bloggers”? I keep asking, but you never answer.

Is there some reason? The lovely Orly Taitz, who isn't even a Christian, told me to ask you.

trent1280 – All you do is LIE, LIE, LIE.

ha ha

trent1280 – I hope you no-class DOJ folks enjoy your time in “the free world”, because you'll have plenty of time for reflection on your misdeeds while you are incarcerated.

Whose pecker is Obama fondling tonight?

Search “LARRY SINCLAIR OBAMA” and learn the truth about Obama's queer boyfriends and crack smoking.

You boobs have yet to win a single case in any court anywhere.

The likelihood you ever will?

About the same odds that Alan Keyes, Al Sharpton, Sarah Palin or Wiley Drake will ever be President.

However, we STRONGLY approve your investment of so much time and maniac energy in your hopeless causes. It keeps you off our streets where you would otherwise frighten the dogs.

Keep going boys! You're doing better work than you will ever know.

Wow..the rumours are true…there are actually people who take this crap seriously. Ha Ha Ha! Indeed. Adjust those tinfoil hats and screech it all together now…”Dingoes ate my baby”

That's correct, Obama is a closet queer and he has a drug problem.

KWB1 – Only foolish, America hating idiots like you, who have no respect or knowledge of the Constitution, actually believe Obama is a “natural born Citizen”.

Yes, yes, of course!

And you: keep up the good work!

And now you say the Wall Street Journal lies too?

Tsk, tsk.

Good work, Ernie. Very impressive.

You need to research the following, THEN comment. Here is the long-standing legally accepted definition of “natural born Citizen”. Read carefully, then research anything you do not grasp. : E. de Vattel, The Law of Nations, bk 1, c. 19, sec. 212 (1758) (1759 first English translation); The Venus, 12 U.S. (8 Cranch) 253, 289 (1814) (Marshall, C.J., concurring) (cites Vattel’s definition of natural born citizens); Shanks v. Dupont, 28 U.S. 242, 245 (1830) (same definition without citing Vattel); Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 162, 167-68 (1875) (same definition without citing Vattel); Ex parte Reynolds, 1879, 5 Dill., 394, 402 (same definition and cites Vattel); United States v. Ward, 42 F.320 (C.C.S.D.Cal. 1890) (same definition and cites Vattel); U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898) (only declared under the Fourteenth Amendment a child born on U.S. soil to foreign parents and subject to the jurisdiction of the United States a “citizen of the United States” and not an Article II “natural born Citizen” and Fuller, C.J, dissenting confirming Vattel’s definition of a “natural born Citizen” ); Keith v. U.S., 8 Okla. 446; 58 P. 507 (Okla. 1899) (common law rule that the offspring of free persons followed the condition of the father was applied to determine the citizenship status of a child); Rep. John Bingham (in the House on March 9, 1866, in commenting on the Civil Rights Act of 1866 which was the precursor to the Fourteenth Amendment: “[I] find no fault with the introductory clause, which is simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution, that every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen. . . . ” Cong. Globe, 39th, 1st Session, 1291 (1866)); Sen Jacob Howard (the framer who co-wrote the Fourteenth Amendment citizenship clause stating in 1866 that the citizenship clause of the Fourteenth Amendment excluded persons born in the United States who were foreigners, aliens, or who belonged to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers. Congressional Globe, 39th Congress, 1st Session, May 30, 1866, p.2895, 2nd col.)) We requested that the Court enforce the United States Constitution, the supreme law of the land, and, given that Obama was not born in the country to a mother and father who were themselves United States citizens at his birth, not allow Obama to amend the Constitution by usurpation. U.S. Const. art. VI, cl. 2; George Washington, Farewell Address, 1796.

Good job, Ernie.

Well done.

Keep it up.

The more time you spend on this nonsense, the better. We heartily approve! Keep going now, hear?

Obama LOVES men and smoking crack, search “LARRY SINCLAIR” for the sordid details of the queer abomination known as “Obama”…

The Obama/Holder/DOJ loons posting in defense of Obama on every website that speaks against the administration are PAID WITH OUR TAX DOLLARS to blog, search “The Obama Justice Department’s Secret Blogging Team… Is it Illegal?” and see for yourself! Also search “TRACY RUSSO, DOJ BLOGGERS” and learn how “HUGE” TRACY RUSSO and the DOJ are ILLEGALLY wasting OUR TAX DOLLARS TO SUPPORT THE TOTALLY EVIL MARXIST, GLOBALIST POLICIES of CONSTITUTIONALLY ILLEGAL OBAMA! OBAMA HAS ALMOST NO “GRASSROOTS SUPPORT”, THE FALSE IMPRESSION HE DOES IS BEING FOSTERED and FED BY THE DOJ PAID BLOGGING TEAM! HOW LOW WILL WE ALLOW OBAMA/HOLDER/DOJ TO STOOP BEFORE THE UPSTANDING CITIZENS of THIS NATION ARISE AND FIGHT?! THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION IS A TOTAL DISGRACE FROM TOP TO BOTTOM! That's correct, everyone realizes Obama has “0″ “grassroots support” except the very obvious fools at DOJ. LOL, LOL, LOL, D.C. and VIRGINIA are BOTH CHOCK FULL of COMPLETE MORONS!

ha ha

Woody's.

Obama confessed he is NOT Constitutionally qualified to hold office! Both “factcheck.org” and “Fight the Smears” (Obama’s OWN website) have published an ADMISSION that Obama was governed at birth by his father’s British/Kenyan citizenship. That is the ONLY time a person can attain United States “natural born Citizen” status, thus Obama ADMITS he is not, and can never become, a “natural born Citizen” of the United States. Direct quote : “When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.
Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4,1982.”……..There is no law on Earth that would have caused Obama’s British/Kenyan citizenship to automatically expire on August 2, 1982. Obama is well aware he cannot meet the Constitutional requirement to hold office, that’s why his first official act as president was to sign “Executive Order Number 13489?, which seals ALL his records, public AND private. That is unprecedented and 100% evil. So much for Obama’s instantly broken promise of “transparency”. No one with common sense trusts Obama – NO ONE!

Sorry. Shouldn't have told you that. Classified. Executive order 338902. Sshh! Don't tell anyone, OK?

TRACY RUSSO is a fat dyke.

Very good!

This could prove to be interesting! Obots ATTENTION!

Saturday, October 31, 2009
ORLY'S CASE STILL ALIVE?…DID JUDGE SCREW UP OR DID HE LEAVE DOOR OPEN ON PURPOSE?…
Carter’s not yet given a final Judgement

October 30, 2009 by John Charlton
HAS FAILED TO IMPLEMENT RULES 54 AND 58

Legal analysis by John Charlton

(Oct. 30, 2009) — Dispite all his rancor and loony constitutional theories, Judge David O. Carter has failed to give final judgment in the case Barnett vs. Obama, leaving the door open to further filings and proceedings.

His ruling has not dismissed the case, but rather merely dismissed arguments presented so far. This is the interpretation had if you read the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure 54 and 58.

Rule 54(b) reads as follows:

(b) Judgment on Multiple Claims or Involving Multiple Parties.

When an action presents more than one claim for relief — whether as a claim, counterclaim, crossclaim, or third-party claim — or when multiple parties are involved, the court may direct entry of a final judgment as to one or more, but fewer than all, claims or parties only if the court expressly determines that there is no just reason for delay. Otherwise, any order or other decision, however designated, that adjudicates fewer than all the claims or the rights and liabilities of fewer than all the parties does not end the action as to any of the claims or parties and may be revised at any time before the entry of ajudgment adjudicating all the claims and all the parties’ rights and liabilities.

Rule 58 (a & b) reads as follows:

(a) Separate Document.

Every judgment and amended judgment must be set out in a separate document, but a separate document is not required for an order disposing of a motion:

(1) for judgment under Rule 50(b);

(2) to amend or make additional findings under Rule 52(b);

(3) for attorney’s fees under Rule 54;

(4) for a new trial, or to alter or amend the judgment, under Rule 59; or

(5) for relief under Rule 60.
(b) Entering Judgment.

(1) Without the Court’s Direction.

Subject to Rule 54(b) and unless the court orders otherwise, the clerk must, without awaiting the court’s direction, promptly prepare, sign, and enter the judgment when:

(A) the jury returns a general verdict;

(B) the court awards only costs or a sum certain; or

(C) the court denies all relief.

From this it can be seen that since the clerk has not yet added a Judgment record to the Docket, that Carter is indicating, despite his heavy handedness to the Plaintiffs, that he might allow a second amended complaint, which includes a request for relief for the political candidates, whom he acknowledged had standing, so long as their request for relief was redressable: such as a monetary reward howsoever small.

Judge Carter has from 10 to 30 days after his ruling on the Motion to Dismiss to add such a judgment dismissing the case with prejudice to the docket, otherwise he is formally indicating that he expects Dr. Orly Taitz, lead counsel for the plaintiffs, and Attorney Gary Kreep, for his plaintiffs, to submit a request to file a second amended complaint. Indeed, without such ruling added to the docket, the Plaintiffs can initiate such a request action.

Posted in Law Cases | Tagged Captain Pamela Barnett vs Obama, Dr. Orly Taitz, Gary Kreep, Judge David O. Carter, Rule 54(b), Rule 58 a & b | 2 Comments

1.
on October 31, 2009 at 5:19 AM Jack

Looks like Judge Carter HAS enabled checkmate against Team Obama after all:

Well done, Orly Taitz case moves forward solely for Plaintiff Keyes for redressable relief of monetary damages, thereby avoiding political question (leave that to Congress once Keyes recovers even nominal damages for pre-Presidential fraud against CandidateObama) and Team Obama has nothing to appeal to delay the trial.

2.
on October 30, 2009 at 10:43 PM Jack

CARTER DECISION FATAL FLAW: When all is said and done, ONE CLAIM MOST DEFINITELY SURVIVES, and that is Keyes’ claim for fraud committed by Candidate Obama before becoming President, which Judge Carter pretends away on the sole basis of Orly having filed same on 1/20/09 at an hour afterObama took the Oath. That’s a “red herring” because Obama took the valid Oath on 1/21/09, no Presidential immunity exists for tort fraud by Candidate Obama before becoming President, and “before-or-after” Oath filing by Orly is irrelevant for such case which does NOT seek Presidential removal, albeit Judge Carter pretends that IS the sole relief sought by Keyes.

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IT WOULD APPEAR THAT ORLY, COULD IN FACT, FILE A SECOND AMENDED COMPLAINT AND SIMPLY FILE A CLAIM FOR ELECTION FRAUD AGAINST OBAMA…SHE GETS A JUDGMENT…THE WHOLE WORLD IS THEN OFFICIALLY ON NOTICE THAT OBAMA IS A CRIMINAL…AND THEN THE PUBLIC CAN PUT PRESSURE ON CONGRESS TO HAVE HIM REMOVED, SINCE CARTER HAS BEGGED OFF.

ATTENTION : Here is the long-standing legally accepted definition of “natural born Citizen”. Read carefully, then research anything you do not grasp. : E. de Vattel, The Law of Nations, bk 1, c. 19, sec. 212 (1758) (1759 first English translation); The Venus, 12 U.S. (8 Cranch) 253, 289 (1814) (Marshall, C.J., concurring) (cites Vattel’s definition of natural born citizens); Shanks v. Dupont, 28 U.S. 242, 245 (1830) (same definition without citing Vattel); Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 162, 167-68 (1875) (same definition without citing Vattel); Ex parte Reynolds, 1879, 5 Dill., 394, 402 (same definition and cites Vattel); United States v. Ward, 42 F.320 (C.C.S.D.Cal. 1890) (same definition and cites Vattel); U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898) (only declared under the Fourteenth Amendment a child born on U.S. soil to foreign parents and subject to the jurisdiction of the United States a “citizen of the United States” and not an Article II “natural born Citizen” and Fuller, C.J, dissenting confirming Vattel’s definition of a “natural born Citizen” ); Keith v. U.S., 8 Okla. 446; 58 P. 507 (Okla. 1899) (common law rule that the offspring of free persons followed the condition of the father was applied to determine the citizenship status of a child); Rep. John Bingham (in the House on March 9, 1866, in commenting on the Civil Rights Act of 1866 which was the precursor to the Fourteenth Amendment: “[I] find no fault with the introductory clause, which is simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution, that every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen. . . . ” Cong. Globe, 39th, 1st Session, 1291 (1866)); Sen Jacob Howard (the framer who co-wrote the Fourteenth Amendment citizenship clause stating in 1866 that the citizenship clause of the Fourteenth Amendment excluded persons born in the United States who were foreigners, aliens, or who belonged to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers. Congressional Globe, 39th Congress, 1st Session, May 30, 1866, p.2895, 2nd col.)) We requested that the Court enforce the United States Constitution, the supreme law of the land, and, given that Obama was not born in the country to a mother and father who were themselves United States citizens at his birth, not allow Obama to amend the Constitution by usurpation. U.S. Const. art. VI, cl. 2; George Washington, Farewell Address, 1796.

Larry's out with Orly, dancing at the Club Foot Restaurant on K Street.

Barry's with Bruce in… you know… the playroom. Sshhh! Don't tell. National security. Need to know. Gotta prevent them birthers from finding out The Truth!!

Thanks for your discretion, Ernie.

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trent1280 – Now that you DOJ paid blogging dimwits have been outed, go ahead and switch to the network that ATTEMPTS to show you are in Kansas. Many thanks to several people @ NSA! Never doubt that a few retired intel field agents can set a trap and destroy a criminal conspiracy by the government. We just proved we can grab both your nuts and squeeze until you scream “uncle”!

Oh Ernie, Ernie: don't talk about your sistah like that.

Very unkind. She speaks well of you. You keep Tracy fully employed and at a salary of $128,000 a year, plus benefits.

Try to mind your manners, boy, hear? You NEED one another!

TRACY RUSSO and OBAMA are QUEER.

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TRACY RUSSO will be indicted within thirty days and there's NOTHING that can prevent it.

Ernie: why have you taken this sudden interest in faggots? Is there something you're not telling us?

ha ha

“HATCH ACT” violations carry MANDATORY prison sentences. Way to go, TRACY RUSSO and the DOJ paid blogging team, you'll soon be in prison!

Ernie: why this sudden interest in faggots?

Is there something you're not telling us?

C'mon now, fess up! Our respect for you will never change.

Yes, yes, that's true.

Well done!

Uncle!

But, why your sudden interest in squeezing nuts?

Ernie… what are you hiding? C'mon, you can tell us.

Your obsessions reveal more than you intend.

Usually, all you talk about is conspiracy. Tonight? All you're talking about is faggots.

Why? Tell us more? When did you first notice your… tendencies?

ha ha

Cool.

Tell us more.

trent1280 = cheaply paid liar.

Revolution is coming to America and blood will run in the streets.

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Michelle Obama is already known as “the bag lady of D.C.”.

Hey Ernie:

Ahh, you have finally outed yourself. Now you advocate the violent overthrow of the US government.

Well done! We can use that.

A black helicopter will be over your place soon. Feel free to wait outside, if you like. Makes it easier to throw the nets.

This is good. Well done. Tell us more!

RESEARCH THE LAW : Here is the long-standing legally accepted definition of “natural born Citizen”. Read carefully, then research anything you do not grasp. : E. de Vattel, The Law of Nations, bk 1, c. 19, sec. 212 (1758) (1759 first English translation); The Venus, 12 U.S. (8 Cranch) 253, 289 (1814) (Marshall, C.J., concurring) (cites Vattel’s definition of natural born citizens); Shanks v. Dupont, 28 U.S. 242, 245 (1830) (same definition without citing Vattel); Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 162, 167-68 (1875) (same definition without citing Vattel); Ex parte Reynolds, 1879, 5 Dill., 394, 402 (same definition and cites Vattel); United States v. Ward, 42 F.320 (C.C.S.D.Cal. 1890) (same definition and cites Vattel); U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898) (only declared under the Fourteenth Amendment a child born on U.S. soil to foreign parents and subject to the jurisdiction of the United States a “citizen of the United States” and not an Article II “natural born Citizen” and Fuller, C.J, dissenting confirming Vattel’s definition of a “natural born Citizen” ); Keith v. U.S., 8 Okla. 446; 58 P. 507 (Okla. 1899) (common law rule that the offspring of free persons followed the condition of the father was applied to determine the citizenship status of a child); Rep. John Bingham (in the House on March 9, 1866, in commenting on the Civil Rights Act of 1866 which was the precursor to the Fourteenth Amendment: “[I] find no fault with the introductory clause, which is simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution, that every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen. . . . ” Cong. Globe, 39th, 1st Session, 1291 (1866)); Sen Jacob Howard (the framer who co-wrote the Fourteenth Amendment citizenship clause stating in 1866 that the citizenship clause of the Fourteenth Amendment excluded persons born in the United States who were foreigners, aliens, or who belonged to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers. Congressional Globe, 39th Congress, 1st Session, May 30, 1866, p.2895, 2nd col.)) We requested that the Court enforce the United States Constitution, the supreme law of the land, and, given that Obama was not born in the country to a mother and father who were themselves United States citizens at his birth, not allow Obama to amend the Constitution by usurpation. U.S. Const. art. VI, cl. 2; George Washington, Farewell Address, 1796.

Tell us more. Where? When? Where exactly will YOU be?

Obama is NOT Constitutionally qualified to hold office! Both “factcheck.org” and “Fight the Smears” (Obama’s OWN website) have published an ADMISSION that Obama was governed at birth by his father’s British/Kenyan citizenship. That is the ONLY time a person can attain United States “natural born Citizen” status, thus Obama ADMITS he is not, and can never become, a “natural born Citizen” of the United States. Direct quote : “When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.
Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4,1982.”……..There is no law on Earth that would have caused Obama’s British/Kenyan citizenship to automatically expire on August 2, 1982. Obama is well aware he cannot meet the Constitutional requirement to hold office, that’s why his first official act as president was to sign “Executive Order Number 13489?, which seals ALL his records, public AND private. That is unprecedented and 100% evil. So much for Obama’s instantly broken promise of “transparency”. No one with common sense trusts Obama – NO ONE!

Again? That's the 12th time you've posted this paste job.

Running out of original nonsense?

We expect better of you, Ernie. Please try again. And tell us more about your interest in faggots.

Again? That's the 12th time you've posted this paste job.

Running out of original nonsense?

We expect better of you, Ernie. Please try again. And tell us more about your interest in faggots.

NOTICE : The Obama/Holder/DOJ loons posting in defense of Obama on every website that speaks against the administration are PAID WITH OUR TAX DOLLARS to blog, search “The Obama Justice Department’s Secret Blogging Team… Is it Illegal?” and see for yourself! Also search “TRACY RUSSO, DOJ BLOGGERS” and learn how “HUGE” TRACY RUSSO and the DOJ are ILLEGALLY wasting OUR TAX DOLLARS TO SUPPORT THE TOTALLY EVIL MARXIST, GLOBALIST POLICIES of CONSTITUTIONALLY ILLEGAL OBAMA! OBAMA HAS ALMOST NO “GRASSROOTS SUPPORT”, THE FALSE IMPRESSION HE DOES IS BEING FOSTERED and FED BY THE DOJ PAID BLOGGING TEAM! HOW LOW WILL WE ALLOW OBAMA/HOLDER/DOJ TO STOOP BEFORE THE UPSTANDING CITIZENS of THIS NATION ARISE AND FIGHT?! THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION IS A TOTAL DISGRACE FROM TOP TO BOTTOM! That's correct, everyone realizes Obama has “0″ “grassroots support” except the very obvious fools at DOJ. LOL, LOL, LOL, D.C. and VIRGINIA are BOTH CHOCK FULL of COMPLETE MORONS!

And this is the 7th time you've pasted and posted this particular line of laughter.

Please, Ernie, we need fresh nonsense. You're getting dull.

trent1280 – ENJOY! You've posted s.o.s. comments for MONTHS.

trent1280 – I'm simply following your example.

Oops, here it is again!

You've already posted this one 13 times.

Ernie, please: we need fresh material.

You can't keep telling the same old joke. You've turned into Krusty the Klown. We expected better of you.

TRACY RUSSO is SO HUGE she cannot climb onto a metro bus.

Not as well as you might imagine.

Please: new conspiracies! Fresh accusations! More slanders! More forged documents! New plots!!

Your public awaits you, earnestly.

You know, I don’t usually get to nasty with people on here, however in your case I will make an exception. First of all dude- I don’t recall you being there when I was having my child and I know for certain you didn’t have access to my body so you have no room to speak on that subject at all. Secondly, ERNEST, how many babies have you goven birth to? How many bodies do you have? How many pregnancies have you gone through personally? You might have a fat ass wife that got stretch marks everywhere, but I didn’t! The only 3 I had were well covered by a bikini. And I assume you are referring to sanitary napkins? Well, ask any doctor. Every woman is different in how she handles pregnancy and post pregnancy. Some bleed a lot, some don’t. Some use it as an excuse to keep their fat assed MCP husbands away from them as long as possible. As for me, I can guarantee I was in excellent shape, gained minimal weight and didn’t even wear maternity clothes until the last 6 weeks. I had a healthy 7 and a 1/2 pound child and wore my skinny jeans home. You weren’t there, you wouldn’t know. I will never forget.

As to your previous post about Stanley Dunham, he did serve his country- that is common knowledge to people who have brains. Evidently you were not in that line when God was handing them out. Too bad for you. Now go back to your corner and suck your thumb or whatever you suck on and leave the adults alone you little lying pissant pain in the ass piece of garbage.

trent1280 – Go give head to your owner, Obama the crack smoking fag.

Get used to it, REVOLUTION is on the lips of MILLIONS of AMERICANS!

Ernie: I used to enjoy your illucid hallucinations very much. Excellent material for my book, “Birthers and Moral Bifida: The Rise of the Fourth Reich”.

Please, something new.

Something about Mr Obama being born in an igloo to an Albanian mother and a space alien father. The juicier the better!

And accept our thanks!! If you supply enough outlandishness, I promise you a credit in the book.

Obama sought to block radio stations by warning station managers that they would be subject to investigations by the Justice Department. Obama's campaign also planned to compel advertisers to pressure stations that air anti-Obama programming.

Actually, I am paid more than you are — at least according to your IRS filings in the last two years.

Barack Obama was born of Marxists; mentored by a communist writer and activist during his formative years; spent his college days hanging around radical activists; worked as a radical community organizer, learning the radical tactics of the communist, Alinsky; attended a radical church; was introduced to Chicago politics by a communist in the home of another communist; and today lends his political skill to the international goals of radical activists. He had radicals working on his campaign and has them in his administration. The simple fact is, since the age of 12, the people closest to Obama have been active, radical Marxists.

Oops — I said too much. Ignore that last comment. We DO NOT have access to your IRS files. Nope.

Obama's sister Maya was quoted by the New York Times as saying, “My whole family was Muslim.” I assume she considers Obama a member of her family. After all, she refers to him as “my brother.” You cannot hide the facts.

Ahh, that's better. Something new.

Tell us more.

How did you find out? No one was supposed to tell.

That's very good news. Keep it coming!

Obama's sister Maya was quoted by the New York Times as saying, “My whole family was Muslim.” I assume she considers Obama a member of her family. After all, she refers to him as “my brother.” The truth will not be hidden.

Exactly how much does she weigh? I heard it was 347 pounds.

What? Is your mamma unavailable? I am very disappointed.

Thank God you have revealed this, Ernie. Very important. Well done!

Thank God you have revealed this, Ernie. Very important. Well done!

Thank God you have revealed this, Ernie. Very important. Well done!

Thank God you have revealed this, Ernie. Very important. Well done!

Thank God you have revealed this, Ernie. Very important. Well done!

In his autobiography, “Dreams From My Father,” Obama mentions studying the Quran and describes the public school as “a Muslim school.”

During the time that he was in Indonesia, young Barry Soetoro, being a Muslim, would have been required to study Islam daily in school. He would have been taught to read and write Arabic, to recite his prayers properly, to read and recite from the Quran and to study the laws of Islam.

However, Obama received additional training. As the principal from 1971 through 1989 remembers, Obama had studied “mengaji.”

Until you understand the following, you Obama supporters have not one valid legal point. Here is the long-standing legally accepted definition of “natural born Citizen”. Read carefully, then research anything you do not grasp. : E. de Vattel, The Law of Nations, bk 1, c. 19, sec. 212 (1758) (1759 first English translation); The Venus, 12 U.S. (8 Cranch) 253, 289 (1814) (Marshall, C.J., concurring) (cites Vattel’s definition of natural born citizens); Shanks v. Dupont, 28 U.S. 242, 245 (1830) (same definition without citing Vattel); Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 162, 167-68 (1875) (same definition without citing Vattel); Ex parte Reynolds, 1879, 5 Dill., 394, 402 (same definition and cites Vattel); United States v. Ward, 42 F.320 (C.C.S.D.Cal. 1890) (same definition and cites Vattel); U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898) (only declared under the Fourteenth Amendment a child born on U.S. soil to foreign parents and subject to the jurisdiction of the United States a “citizen of the United States” and not an Article II “natural born Citizen” and Fuller, C.J, dissenting confirming Vattel’s definition of a “natural born Citizen” ); Keith v. U.S., 8 Okla. 446; 58 P. 507 (Okla. 1899) (common law rule that the offspring of free persons followed the condition of the father was applied to determine the citizenship status of a child); Rep. John Bingham (in the House on March 9, 1866, in commenting on the Civil Rights Act of 1866 which was the precursor to the Fourteenth Amendment: “[I] find no fault with the introductory clause, which is simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution, that every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen. . . . ” Cong. Globe, 39th, 1st Session, 1291 (1866)); Sen Jacob Howard (the framer who co-wrote the Fourteenth Amendment citizenship clause stating in 1866 that the citizenship clause of the Fourteenth Amendment excluded persons born in the United States who were foreigners, aliens, or who belonged to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers. Congressional Globe, 39th Congress, 1st Session, May 30, 1866, p.2895, 2nd col.)) We requested that the Court enforce the United States Constitution, the supreme law of the land, and, given that Obama was not born in the country to a mother and father who were themselves United States citizens at his birth, not allow Obama to amend the Constitution by usurpation. U.S. Const. art. VI, cl. 2; George Washington, Farewell Address, 1796.

Yes, yes, Ernie. Tell us more.

Go on as often and as long as you like.

Keep going. Don't give up!!

We're more grateful than you can imagine.

Oh, Ernie, there you go again, posting the same old legal illiteracy. Why do you keep repeating yourself? You're becoming a bore. Fresh rubbish, please!

Oh, Ernie, there you go again, posting the same old legal illiteracy. Why do you keep repeating yourself? You're becoming a bore. Fresh rubbish, please!

Oh, Ernie, there you go again, posting the same old legal illiteracy. Why do you keep repeating yourself? You're becoming a bore. Fresh rubbish, please!

Oh, Ernie, there you go again, posting the same old legal illiteracy. Why do you keep repeating yourself? You're becoming a bore. Fresh rubbish, please!

Oh, Ernie, there you go again, posting the same old legal illiteracy. Why do you keep repeating yourself? You're becoming a bore. Fresh rubbish, please!

Oh, Ernie, there you go again, posting the same old legal illiteracy. Why do you keep repeating yourself? You're becoming a bore. Fresh rubbish, please!

Get the point?

Probably not…

Ernie, my friend, you must be getting tired.

Let me post the next one for you. Here goes.

Until you understand the following, you Obama supporters have not one valid legal point. Here is the long-standing legally accepted definition of “natural born Citizen”. Read carefully, then research anything you do not grasp. : E. de Vattel, The Law of Nations, bk 1, c. 19, sec. 212 (1758) (1759 first English translation); The Venus, 12 U.S. (8 Cranch) 253, 289 (1814) (Marshall, C.J., concurring) (cites Vattel’s definition of natural born citizens); Shanks v. Dupont, 28 U.S. 242, 245 (1830) (same definition without citing Vattel); Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 162, 167-68 (1875) (same definition without citing Vattel); Ex parte Reynolds, 1879, 5 Dill., 394, 402 (same definition and cites Vattel); United States v. Ward, 42 F.320 (C.C.S.D.Cal. 1890) (same definition and cites Vattel); U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898) (only declared under the Fourteenth Amendment a child born on U.S. soil to foreign parents and subject to the jurisdiction of the United States a “citizen of the United States” and not an Article II “natural born Citizen” and Fuller, C.J, dissenting confirming Vattel’s definition of a “natural born Citizen” ); Keith v. U.S., 8 Okla. 446; 58 P. 507 (Okla. 1899) (common law rule that the offspring of free persons followed the condition of the father was applied to determine the citizenship status of a child); Rep. John Bingham (in the House on March 9, 1866, in commenting on the Civil Rights Act of 1866 which was the precursor to the Fourteenth Amendment: “[I] find no fault with the introductory clause, which is simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution, that every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen. . . . ” Cong. Globe, 39th, 1st Session, 1291 (1866)); Sen Jacob Howard (the framer who co-wrote the Fourteenth Amendment citizenship clause stating in 1866 that the citizenship clause of the Fourteenth Amendment excluded persons born in the United States who were foreigners, aliens, or who belonged to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers. Congressional Globe, 39th Congress, 1st Session, May 30, 1866, p.2895, 2nd col.)) We requested that the Court enforce the United States Constitution, the supreme law of the land, and, given that Obama was not born in the country to a mother and father who were themselves United States citizens at his birth, not allow Obama to amend the Constitution by usurpation. U.S. Const. art. VI, cl. 2; George Washington, Farewell Address, 1796.

There, Ernie. Feel better? Hope so. We need you to keep doing what you're doing, day after day after day. Don't ask why.

She’s doing very well, thank you.

And yourself?

To hell with OBAMA, HOLDER, DOJ, and FAT TRACY RUSSO. May the revolution cleanse our nation of the evil tyrants.

Let the blood flow in the streets until we have fully restored the rule of Constitutional law.

Who cares if Obama was Muslim or even is Muslim? Christianity is not a prerequisite for being the President.

Intetesting. I wonder why we keep winning the lawsuits when you birthtards know so much about the law?

Does this mean that you'll be leaving us soon?

Your idea of the constitution is quite different than our founding fathers. You have a commie running your show.

Ernest is dumb.

Title 8, Section 1401, of the U.S. Code provides the current definition for a natural-born citizen.

• Anyone born inside the United States and subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, which exempts the child of a diplomat from this provision

• Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe

• Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.

• Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national

• Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year

• Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21

• Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military anddiplomatic service included in this time)

Looks like the first one covers anyone born on US soil. So, does that carry enough legal weight for you, or do you still not believe in US laws?

You damn fool. You treat Vattel as if his word is the word of God. He also favored nobody but nobility carrying firearms and he wanted the government to regulate religion. That's the same reason the Framers escaped England, to get away form govt. intervention in religion. You make no sense.

and he worked during college as an agent for the CIA (Business International Corporation). Please explain how the US Govt. hires a Communist to work for the CIA, Ernest, stupid is as stupid does. And please don't use the word fact. You wouldn't know one if it bit you on the ass.

You blew it, jerkoff. Your posts, especially this one, will be forwarded to the FBI. They will get your ISP number and pay you a visit for threatening the violent overthrow of the US govt. Enjoy their visit.

Ernest is hallucinating.

Here is the relevant passage from the Presidential Records Act (44 U.S.C. Chapter 22):

§ 2201 Definitions… 2) The term “Presidential records” means documentary materials, or any reasonably segregable portion thereof, created or received by the President, his immediate staff, or a unit or individual of the Executive Office of the President whose function is to advise and assist the President, in the course of conducting activities which relate to or have an effect upon the carrying out of the constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President.

From which it is obvious that “Presidential records” are not those records being sought by eligibility doubters, documents created before Obama became President.

ERNEST LIES AGAIN.

I can imagine Ernest running around Washington D.C. claiming he is the savior.

That must be some serious drugs you are using.

Your blood, we trust.

I recommend Clonazepam. It works for John Hinckley.

Ernie will be flying back to Moscow on Tuesday, Aeroflot 12644, and returning 6 days later, having received new instructions from his KGB handlers.

We have found out that he speaks Russian!

He makes as much sense as he is able to make.

And Orly Taitz is no Christian, either.

You sound surprised…

And if you are the hero you pretend to be, it will be YOUR blood, Ernie.

He's in Lafayette Park, every Sunday at 10:00am. Look for the white sheet.

He clears the shelves at Walgreen's about every two weeks.

Indeed. Orly Taitz is an admitted Russian, an admitted non-Christian, she lost her realtor's license, she has been named in 22 separate suits associated with her dental practice, she is about to be disbarred, and she came to these shores under very mysterious circumstances.

Judging by her behavior, she is an agent of disinformation for the KGB.

I heard they have a shrine to her at KGB offices, second floor, on Red Square. No wonder. They need subversives like her.

We don't.

She is just asking to see Obama's birth certificate.

Anything wrong with that?

No she's not. She has clearly stated she doesn't care if Obama was born in Hawaii. All's she's asking for is you folks to give her more money for her long lunches and hotel rooms for her afternoon trysts. And, like the fools you are, you keep donating.

Not at all. It pays for Orly's lavish lifestyle, feeds her insatiable ego and exhibitionism, and keeps her followers gullible and sated at the same time.

I think the way she uses you is great!

So says the guy who “said” he voted for Obama before discovering Obama's alleged ineligibility. You must be one of the stupidest people on the face of the earth.

However, you may have noticed that Orly's just a wee bit narcissistic. Self-important. Conceited.

Now, in her native Russia that may not be a bad thing, but in our country it's considered a bit tasteless.

Next time you see her, you might want to ask that she tone her vanity down just a little. Otherwise, people will think she's… what… ohhh, a foreigner. And not even a Christian.

Thanks!

When we call some birthers racist, they just don't understand why. They just don't understand why. Reread your comment and try to tell me what relevance it has to the issue being discussed. I see none, but would like to have your opinion.

Is this the same “guy who said he voted for Obama before discovering Obama's alleged ineligibility?” If he is you are being to kind.

Word is getting out.

There are now more than 400 websites with information about Orly Taitz' early education and training in her native Russia, and her family's exposure to communism.

It now appears likely that Orly Taitz is actually a sleeper agent for the KGB.

Consider the evidence:

1. she operates three different front offices as realtor, dentist, and lawyer. This gives her many opportunities to meet clandestinely.

2. Orly Taitz was not smart enough to be accepted to law school, so she did it all on-line. She thus avoided in-depth background searches. She has yet to win a single court case. Not one.

3. Although she has lost every court case, she continues to waste the time and resources of our courts, and holds them in open contempt. She openly accuses our judges of treason.

4. Orly Taitz advocates the overthrow of our government.

5. Orly Taitz admits that she is not a Christian.

What is she really doing in our country? What was she really taught in Russia? What was her earliest indoctrination?

If you were a KGB agent, could you do a better job than Orly Taitz to discredit our legal and political systems?

The great weight of evidence suggests that Orly Taitz, a native born Russian and admitted unbeliever, is in fact an agent of disinformation for the KGB.

How can the birthers support such a creature?

Can she prove she is NOT an agent of the KGB?

Can you?

As long as it's your blood- go for it. I'll even send you a knife. Don't know what good you think it would do. However, sinc