Beck Links Obama Administration to Chinese Cultural Revolution

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Thursday, October 15, 2009 at 7:15 pm

This video from Glenn Beck’s show is making the rounds on the right, and it is sort of sublime. Beck, who’s been after interim White House Communications Director Anita Dunn since she attacked Fox News, gives a short briefing on Chinese Communism to his audience before playing a clip of Dunn talking about perseverance.

“The third lesson, and tip,” says Dunn, “actually come from two of my favorite political philosophers: Mao Tse Tung and Mother Theresa. Not often coupled with each other!”

The audience laughs: It’s a joke to everyone but the grim-faced Beck.

“But the two people I turn to most to basically deliver a simple point, which is: You’re going to make choices. You’re going to challenge. You’re going to say why not.”

From there, Dunn tells a story centered on a quote from Mao: “You fight your war and I’ll fight mine.” Beck, in a flourish, gets up and attaches a communist hammer and sickle to a blackboard.

“The most important political philosopher for her is Mao Tse Tung,” he says. “Oh, and Mother Theresa.”

How stupid is this? How desperate an attempt at red-baiting? Well, if Beck is going to argue that quoting Mao Tse Tung is proof of communist sympathies, he should talk to this well-known communist.

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126 Comments

snapcrackleandpop
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 11:53 pm

Are you serious?? McCain merely quoted Mao he didn't endorse him as his “favorite political philosopher”. Huge difference. In fact that quote is familiar to most people and it has nothing to do with communism, etc. It's interesting that this clip is the best you could come up with……..You can't be that stupid…….or maybe you can.


Stevo
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 12:27 am

“How stupid is this?” – how stupid are you? Glenn already has spoken about McCain having the wrong heroes and taking lines from the wrong people. He's not in McCan's camp. If you actually paid any attention to what Glenn is always saying instead of picking out little bits of what he says then you would see that he calls it like it is – no democrat OR republican OR anything else is free from being ratted out from Glenn. Go Glenn baby!


somedude
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 12:29 am

Glenn Beck is well aware that McCain is communist, he is outspokenly against McCain. Way too judge somebody, do some fact checking.


sabrinarobins
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 12:38 am

I just want Glenn Beck to know that I think he is a traitor to his country. He is using his news hour to put down and drag down anything that even looks like a democrat and he is using crazy words and accusations again the Obama Adm. I really think Glenn Beck is digging his own grave as far as the media is concerned. He doesnt need a job that encourages the ignorant peoples of America and /or those that believe him and his lies. He is bringing America down and it doesnt make us look any better to people anywhere in the world.


Stevo
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 12:41 am

Are you really that unintelligent? C'mon, nobody can be that stupid. That laughter isn't because what she is saying is a joke. The way that she rolls on with that whole story shows just how much she knows (and admires) about Mao. The laughter is because she places one of the most evil people ever to walk the planet with one of the very best. It's like saying “I love Jesus AND the devil” – it's just ridiculous – but no – not a joke. Get a real job Mr. Weigel.


knowahl
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 12:51 am

You really don't watch the guy then. He usually trots out the stupidity of the Republicans in addition to the Democrats. It's funny you say crazy words and accusations. He may speculate and he does let you know when he does. His accusations on the other hand are usually based on a memo, phone call, video or some other medium that is verifiable… The problem is the WH and Anita have only pointed out semantic errors to Becks statements no real proof or push back that they are false. Additionally, the entire liberal media & blogosphere confuse Beck with being Republican when he is clearly not.


BillKidd
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 1:21 am

Hey you beckerheads. On last Thursday's segment of your Beck and Call on the O'Reilly Factor, Glenn Beck called you beckerheads “zombies”. How does it feel to be a sheep that Glenn Beck takes advantage of, and have your hero treat you like fools.


sueNaustin
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 1:39 am

From what I gather from Sabrina's post, she is not accusing Glenn Beck of being a Rupublican, but of being a traitor to America. That he drags EVERYONE down.


Ulibsarereallystupid
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 1:52 am

Mccain is a socialist and probably a communist as well. Glen Beck is well aware of that.

That hag Dunn was not joking, she was dead serious.


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Amy
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 2:47 am

Hey ? ( I don't call names). All of us that watch Glenn know that “zombie” thing is a joke. You are talking of that which you do not know.


andrewbud
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 3:02 am

The advisors Obama surrounds himself with are a true reflection of the man. We are metaphorically reliving the “Great Leap Forward” although I don't believe millions will die our economy and way of life is being destroyed. Not intentionally of course but through naive idealism and complete incompetence. Obama has no idea how to foster this country's innovation and initiative to produce and inspire the world. We have been here before… Jimmy Carter (please be quiet Jimmy we let you lead and you failed miserably). So after every Carter (we hope) there is a Leader to inspire and return this country the greatness it can be.


ethan
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 3:04 am

Screw Anita Dunn. This White House has more communists than the Berkely campus Starbucks. Get Them out of office.


JonInCa
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 3:25 am

Dunn is Done!

Another score for Beck….

Another distraction for Obama….

Another speed-bump for the Obama-bus to roll over….


moonage
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 3:27 am

McCain's comment is sarcasm. Dunn's is not. Does that make a difference? ( Wiki it if you want, Mao has never been attributed to that quote.


NewsCorpse
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 4:53 am

Here is something that will, as Beck says, melt your brain:

Rupert Murdoch has closer ties to red China than anyone in the White House. —> Here's proof. <— And Beck works for Murdoch. That must mean…OH MY GOD! This is all a campaign to steer suspicion away from the real threat – BECK HIMSELF!

It's downright inscrutable.


Schmedlap
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 5:02 am

When I graduated from West Point, the academy gave all graduates a suggested reading list. That list included a little red book, Quotes of Chairman Mao.


chrisjay
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 5:44 am

I've never seen a Beck clip which wasn't painfully stupid. He's a sadistic little monkey who's found a great gig, and anyone who thinks he's sincere is a rube.


mariet
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 6:42 am

Agreed. Mccain wouldn't have done much better.

Dunn is on her way out…hopefully. He is just picking them off one at a time, thank goodness because someone needs to.


joetheplumber999
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 6:53 am

Weak! McCain's comments about Mao aren't even in the same Universe as Anita Done… oh I meant Anita Dunn.


matt11111
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 6:55 am

your a douchebag, you must be a democrat…everything Beck says is backed up with proof via video/audio clips…your just another useless partisan democrat


Ken
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 7:45 am

Nice try Weasel.

You claim everone understood it was a joke. The only joke she made was in acknowledging that Mao and Mother Teresa don't typically go together. That was what got the laugh. The rest was clearly quite serious.

And you're not foolig anyone trying to draw a comparison between Anita Dunn's “favorite philosopher” statement, etc., and McCain quoting the man.


brendanm
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 8:06 am

McCain has also joked about rape and beating his wife. Does that make him a rapist and a wife-beater? No, it merely makes him a misogynist asshole. Now, Beck's jokes about murdering the Speaker of the House and his other violent rhetoric, that needs to be taken seriously.


brendanm
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 8:08 am

Like his claim that 2 million people marched on 9/12? Or his lies about even his own mother's death?


michiel
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 8:37 am

Somebody here does not understand the difference between citing on one hand and admiring on the other hand….


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jeffinohio
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 11:46 am

I was wondering when the nut jobs would start to label Obama officials as Maoists. What's left? Trotsky?


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uponfurtherreview
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 1:32 pm

Hey David, as long as you're doing your best to stomp out the latest Obama administration brushfire (“Move along, folks … nothing to see here!”), perhaps you could explain why Anita Dunn isn't the only Obama appointee with an admiration for socialists, Marxists, communists and/or dictators.

For instance, we've already established that the recently resigned Van Jones could have gone by the nickname of “Red Green.”

Meanwhile, Obama's FCC diversity czar, Mark Lloyd, was actually caught on tape declaring the following:

“In Venezuela, with Chavez, is really an incredible revolution — a democratic revolution. To begin to put in place things that are going to have an impact on the people of Venezuela. The property owners and the folks who then controlled the media in Venezuela rebelled … But he came back with another revolution, and then Chavez began to take very seriously the media in his country.”

Say what?? Lloyd regards Chavez's government as “democratic”???

Also, if the United States were more like Venezuela in taking the media “very seriously,” wouldn't that trample the First Amendment? Well, Lloyd isn't especially concerned about such Constitutional trivialities:

“It should be clear by now that my focus here is not freedom of speech or the press. This freedom is all too often an exaggeration. At the very least, blind references to freedom of speech or the press serve as a distraction from the critical examination of other communications policies … [T]he purpose of free speech is warped to protect global corporations and block rules that would promote democratic governance.”

Ah well, I suppose Lloyd was just joking about Chavez and freedom of the press, too — umm, right, David?

Or do you, like Lloyd, secretly wish that Obama had as much dictatorial control over America's TV and radio stations and newspapers as Chavez has over Venezuela's?

(By the way, if you're going to accuse someone of perpetrating inaccuracy, you should know that it's Mother TERESA, not Mother THERESA.)


Debarrio
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 1:33 pm

You kool-aid drinking, fellow traveling, morons. Attacking desenting journalist! Attempting (and succeeding) to indoctrinate Children! Using the “arts” to promote their agenda! And “My favorite Political Philospher” is Mao! How much more proof do you need? This is a Communist Administration, and if you support Obama, you are a Communist and an enemy of America! But there is one major flaw with your plan. You (liberals) are a bunch of pussies, and we (conservatives) are heavily armed!


Derrick
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 2:52 pm

I love it.

The hard left buffoons are terrified of Beck. Despite their constant whining and bashing, his audience only grows larger and his influence stronger.

Beck is fast becoming a national treasure in that he is the only one exposing the lies, corruption, hatred, incompetence and hideen agenda of the Obama administation.

Keep up the good work, Glenn.


siserv
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 2:55 pm

This is real and we all need to stand up as Americans and fight this socialist take over of our country. There is no reason not to give the farmers in California the other 90% of their water. Don't be a useful idiot that thinks your in their click until they have no use for you. Once they control healthcare they control who lives and dies in this country even though the tax payers have paid in all the money they will have no rights and no medicare.


Wilson
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 3:02 pm

Beck excels for one reason: he consistently delivers the goods with facts, often in the form of the subjects own words.

Obama has surrounded himself with communists, Marxists, America haters and socialists who are so arrogant that they spout their nonsense and hatred on tape.

And check out the Dunn video on YouTube. As she showers love on Mao, who killed 70 million people, her tongue keeps coming of her mouth like a demon. This woman is extremely creepy and should not be anywhere near the White House.


luckyinky
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 3:03 pm

The imposter has already said he is fundamentally changing the USA. We see who he surrounds himself with. How many lies has he told us? He doesn't know the truth! This country does not trust him… and no wonder! He hides his perosnal records! Wonder why? He is a fraud, an imposter, a con man. He holds all the traits and remember….what he is hiding:

Records that should be available to the American People
(original birth certificate, college and medical records, etc)

The fact that Mr. Obama has hired attorneys to protect that info is very discerning.
The fact that Mr. Obama has questionable Czars, Socialists, Radicals, Corruption and un-American Agendas seems to make that question more important.

“He who has nothing to hide, hides nothing. He who hides everything is always Guilty”


A mom
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 3:14 pm

Drag everyone down? Bringing the truth and evidence to the public’s attention — yes evidence in using actual video and memos of those surrounding the president as well as disturbing, contradicting statements Obama has made of his actual beliefs that the Whitehouse can easily call in to dispute if Beck has got it wrong — is dragging the nation down. Maybe if you’re an ostrich who cares not to see.


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Lisa
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 3:30 pm

Beck is not lying. Most of the things I have heard him say, I have checked out myself. The Czars he is concerned with have public papers that explain how they feel. All you have to do is read an article written by one of these Czars and you can see their philosophy. They do not try to hide it the way Obama does. They are proud of how they feel. I realize he acts strange and is annoying, but he is not lying. Check your facts before you call someone a liar.


rover47
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 3:41 pm

MCcain nver said he idolizes him, nor turns to his work for guidence.. BIG DIFFERENCE


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tinashroeder
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 4:24 pm

When I heard it was from Beck, I knew it had to be taken out of context based on what everyone says about this guy. Then I see the video and I have to say, its pretty hard to argue with. Looks like yet another vetting issue for this administration.


rdludlow
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 4:30 pm

I you can't see that there is a move to take control of this country by the Obama administration then you are as dumb as a bag of hammers. He said so himself. He has surrounded himself with socialists and communists! Are you blind or in la la land!


jackets
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 5:01 pm

Question for someone. If I decide to run for President, don't I have to provide proof that I'm a natural born citizen of the U.S based on our Constitution? Who is it in government that I have to provide proof to? All they have to do is produce the evidence that Obama is a citizen. That is so basic to our Constitution. Why haven't they done so?

As for Anita Dunn, it's her words, not Glen Beck's. America had better wake up. What happened in China and other places could happen to us. Demand that these radicals be removed from the administration and we will remove Obama in 2012.


strangely_enough
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 5:25 pm

Stupid, like, attributing Beck's quote to the person you're denigrating stupid?


strangely_enough
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 5:27 pm

“Truth and evidence”? From Beck? You should do stand up. That's really funny.


strangely_enough
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 5:34 pm

Do you prefer aluminum, or the old fashioned tin foil? Keeps Obama's commiesocialistnazi indoctrination waves from your vital essences, ya know?


strangely_enough
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 5:36 pm

You're quoting Beck and attributing it to Dunn. And calling someone else weasel. Awesome.


strangely_enough
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 5:36 pm

Cylons?


strangely_enough
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 5:40 pm

You do realize Chavez was elected, right? You may not agree with the result, but “you can have your own opinion, but you cant have your own facts…”


strangely_enough
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 5:41 pm

Terrified of a guy who sobs on TV while rambling about paranoid nonsense?


strangely_enough
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 5:43 pm

Obama Derangement Syndrome. Maybe ol' Kraut was on to something…


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Hume's Ghost
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 6:00 pm

Beck has had David Horowitz on his program before. In his 2000 book of advice to Republicans The Art of Political War – endorsed by Tom DeLay and Karl Rove – Horowitz advised Republicans to take Lenin's advice that you can't defeat your opponents by refuting their arguments, but by wiping them off the face of the Earth.


snapcrackleandpop
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 6:35 pm

If by any chance you are referring to “favorite political philosopher” as being Beck's quote then you are gravely mistaken. That quote is from Anita Dunn's lips in the video of her talking to high school kids. I'm sure you made sure you were “well-informed” of the issue before criticizing my comment. You can't be one of those critical snobs who dump on Glenn Beck without even watching him, right?


jokersux
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 7:26 pm

Dunn reminds me of the joker in the last batman movie haha what a creeper!


D_sully
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 7:40 pm

Debarrio – I support Obama because he is attempting to make Washington transparent – because he is looking out for the average American – becuase he doesn't believe in trickle-down-economics – because he is not George Bush – and I'm sure you're comment is more tonque-in-cheek, but that kind of language scares no one – even if you are heavily armed. Good luck with you Fear!


D_sully
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 7:44 pm

And you matt111111 are just another chicken-little fear-lover. You'd better go tune in to Beck to find out what else you need to be afraid of…can you honestly say that Beck is providing constructive solutions to the World's problems? I believe he's in with the bomb-shelter comapnies.


concerneddemocrat
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 8:31 pm

Quoting Mao Tse Tung and referring to him as a favorite political philosopher are two different things. Had she just borrowed his quote she could be forgiven—but please read your notes again. She actually states that he is one of her favorite political philosophers and one of two people she turns to MOST when basically making a simple point. Hmmmm—she did not qualify or explain what she meant by that–my interpretation is that she embraces both of those people's philosophies. McCain made no such statement. Her “joke” is lost on me as well. This is not the Democratic Party that I thought I was supporting.


Anti-Christopher
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 8:37 pm

I used to love George Washington and Thomas Jefferson too Mr. Beck, but then I started reading up on them and realized they weren't as perfect as you make them out to be. They were flawed. They owned slaves. This country nearly eradicated its indigenous population and practiced institutionalized slavery for over 250 years. I still respect the founding Fathers but I do not idolize them. How could anyone in a free society do so?

They are as worthy as idolizing as Mao, Stalin, Khan, if not less so. At least these other guys new they were bad men and admitted it.


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thesheriffsani
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 11:07 pm

Between their whining about Chavez, their support of the Honduran coup, and their continual foot stomping over Obama, its become increasingly clear to me that the only elections that count in GOPland are the ones they approve of.


thesheriffsani
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 11:11 pm

Horowitz the Marxist? Oh, wait, I forgot, being a member of The Party means that all your past transgressions are conveniently forgotten.


jamesbrhoads
Comment posted October 17, 2009 @ 1:30 am

Dufus!

How many people have pointed out you missed the point? So, doesn't need to be repeated, but . . . try to have a non-partisan and non-prejudicial clue in the future . . . please.


Anonymous
Comment posted October 17, 2009 @ 6:58 am

strangely_enough wrote:

“Truth and evidence”? From Beck? You should do stand up.
______________________________________

*** And you obviously shouldn’t.

Tell me, Strangely, what part of videotaped evidence do you find difficult to understand?

Do you think imposters in Halloween suits posed as Anita Dunn, Van Jones, ACORN employees and the other happy folk whose “caught on tape” moments appeared on Beck’s program?


swami
Comment posted October 17, 2009 @ 2:48 am

First of all the Dunn's statement that Mao and Theresa are her favorite philosophers was (as already pointed out) a joke. That is why the audience laughed. After all, neither of them were philosophers. Second it is quite clear that Dunn said that when making a specific point (the one she made to the students):

“But the two people I turn to most to basically deliver a simple point, which is: You’re going to make choices. You’re going to challenge. You’re going to say why not.”

She turns to these two, Theresa and Mao and cites them with regard to making this point alone.

Beck and the people that embrace him scare me. It is hard to fathom how a major news network could dedicate a prime time political opinion show to someone's wacky conspiracy theories. But then again the news is really only about making money these days and this instance underscores that. Pathetic.


Twirlip
Comment posted October 17, 2009 @ 3:44 am

Did McCain say that Mao was his favorite political philosopher? No? Then what are you talking about?


concerneddemocrat
Comment posted October 17, 2009 @ 5:36 am

You missed the point Swami—You need to watch the video again. The “JOKE” was that she linked them together—not that they were her favorite “philosophers.” She labeled them as philosophers since she was speaking about their thoughts and beliefs. This was not a joke–perhaps just poor communication on Dunn's part.

Sorry, I think you are on the wrong side of the fence again with your statement about Beck. I just started to “embrace” him after the Van Jones and Acorn incidents. What's next? I'm beginning to wonder myself where Obama was born and why he won't produce the birth certificate—what is going on here? I am losing faith in this administration as are many others. These are not wacky conspiracy theories—-maybe you should wake up and back away from the Kool Aid!


uponfurtherreview
Comment posted October 17, 2009 @ 7:13 am

So let me get this straight — you believe that just because Chavez was elected, he has a perfect right to arrest journalists, shut down radio stations and otherwise crush freedom of the press?

Wow.

I hate to break this to you, but it isn't just right-of-center types who find this sort of totalitarian leadership objectionable. Even Human Rights Watch is alarmed:

“What we are witnessing is the most comprehensive assault on free speech in Venezuela since Chavez came to power,” said Jose Miguel Vivanco, Americas director at Human Rights Watch.

So, Thesheriffsani, the question for you is: Do you agree more with Human Rights Watch … or Obama's FCC diversity czar (and Chavez fan) Mark Lloyd?


uponfurtherreview
Comment posted October 17, 2009 @ 7:45 am

No, Ken is quoting Dunn and attributing it to Dunn.

She referred to Mao Tse-tung and Mother Teresa as “two of my favorite political philosophers.”

She then described, in breathless terms, how Mao implemented “his plan to basically take China over.”

Right you are, Anita, and after Mao succeeded, he implemented his plan to basically murder millions of Chinese people.

Awesome!


uponfurtherreview
Comment posted October 17, 2009 @ 7:56 am

Transparent?? Gee, is that why the Democrats won't allow American citizens even 72 hours to read the health care bill?

Of course, I realize that they haven't bothered to read it either … which makes me wonder who wrote it.

In any case, calling this sort of behavior transparent is like mistaking a wall for a window.


uponfurtherreview
Comment posted October 17, 2009 @ 8:00 am

And ummm … what's your point, Strangely? If being elected makes Chavez's leadership above criticism in your book, then you must also be a huge fan of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

Moreover, I have no need for “my own facts” … I'm using the same ones you could get if you bothered to spend a few seconds with Google.

But I'll throw you a bone. Here's an August story that caught my eye … read and enjoy:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/aug/02/ven…

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Venezuela has revoked the licences of dozens of radio stations as part of a wider crackdown which could jail people deemed guilty of “media crimes” for up to four years.

At least 13 stations went off the air over the weekend and another 21 were expected to follow soon in an effort by President Hugo Chávez to extend his socialist revolution.

The move followed last week's introduction of a draft law to jail journalists and broadcasters who “harm the interests of the state”, “cause panic” or “disturb social peace.”

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Wow, shutting down radio stations and arresting journalists who have the audacity to disagree with the state.

Tell me, Strangely, is that cool with you? Is that your idea of “democracy”? Are you secretly hoping that the Obama administration similarly manages to trample freedom of the press and freedom of speech in the United States?

If so, I won't waste my time debating with someone who wants to rip up the Constitution.

And if not … then maybe you should start contemplating deeper truths than whether or not Chavez was elected. Lesson 1 — if you truly care about freedom of speech — is to ask yourself why Obama appointed an FCC diversity czar who admires Chavez's handling of the media.


uponfurtherreview
Comment posted October 17, 2009 @ 8:05 am

So you actually believe that just because George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and the rest of the Founding Fathers weren't perfect … they could be less worthy of idolizing than Mao and Stalin, who murdered their own peasants by the millions?

That's a joke, right?


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uponfurtherreview
Comment posted October 17, 2009 @ 8:23 am

Beck's definitely goofy at times, and I used to dismiss him as a joke and a Limbaugh wanna-be … until I realized that his show presents the kind of investigative reporting that the mainstream media used to do — before they enlisted in the Obama cheerleading corps.

How sad a day is it for American journalism when you have to watch a right-wing talk show host to see video evidence of what ACORN does when it thinks no one is looking … and that Van Jones thinks Bush masterminded 9/11, that “white environmentalists” are deliberately poisoning minority neighborhoods, that communism is cool, and that 9/12/2001 should be spent mourning the so-called victims of “U.S. imperialism” around the world.

And how sad a day is it when the mainstream media not only miss these stories, but deliberately ignore them?

In a perfect world, Beck's show wouldn't be worth watching because the mainstream press — not Beck — would be asking the tough questions of the Obama administration.

As it is, if Watergate were to repeat itself on Obama's watch, the Washington Post would probably tell Deep Throat that his secret information just wasn't that newsworthy.


matt11111
Comment posted October 18, 2009 @ 2:23 am

The question should not be is Beck providing solutions to the World's
problems but is Obama, the President of the United States, providing
solutions to the World's problems. Beck isn't running the country; He is the
host of a TV show, his job isn't to provide solutions to world problems. You
can believe what you want, your must be one of those people who believe it
was just a few of the workers of ACORN that were corrupt and not the entire
organization…When I see who Obama surrounds himself with (Cass Sunstein,
Marc Lloyd, Valerie Jarret, Anita Dunn, Van Jones, etc.) and how corrupt
they are and then how he says (in his own words) that we should judge him by
who he surrounds himself with, it surely doesn't make me happy, I dont know
about you.


matt11111
Comment posted October 18, 2009 @ 2:33 am

No, like the amount of corruption in Washington, I don't give a damn how many people were or weren't at the 9/12 tea parties. I'm pretty sure you don't know how many were their either…I'm talking about the video tapes that he has of your pals, that clearly back up what he's saying. I mean when Marc Lloyd talks highly of Chavez, its clearly a sign of corruption, and no explanation is needed (that's just one example)..who wants someone like that heading the FCC??? really??


tommygust123
Comment posted October 18, 2009 @ 9:00 am

I read some of these comments and I just laugh…and then cry. Sometimes I wonder where some of you live; not in geographical terms, rather as in which realm? Glenn Beck and the people who fervently support his every manic rant are absurd. For all of the people who listen to Beck and then do “research” on their own, look up the word PSYCHOSIS.


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Anonymous
Comment posted October 19, 2009 @ 5:14 pm

The semi-official count was around 70,000 teabaggers in attendance, and Beck and Malkin and their fellow lunatic, right-wing bigots claimed 1.7 – 2 million attendees. Beck went so far as to claim he was basing his absurd numbers on some “university” study, of which he conveniently forgot the name (maybe he read it in the Paris Business Review?).

How is speaking positively about Chavez’s efforts in Venezuela, which were largely positive and strictly democratic as of a few years ago, a “sign of corruption?” It is a sign of left-leaning politics, but what exactly is corrupt about it? Glenn Beck endorsing investing in gold in his “news” broadcast while having a financial relationship with gold companies is corrupt. Dick Cheney steering no-bid contracts to Halliburton and protecting them from oversight as they rape and murder with near-impunity, all while the Vice President is receiving big checks from and holding stocks in the company, THAT is corrupt!

Also, Mark Lloyd isn’t “heading” the FCC. If you’re too dumb/ignorant to get even that right, why the fuck should anyone take you seriously?


Anonymous
Comment posted October 19, 2009 @ 5:14 pm

The semi-official count was around 70,000 teabaggers in attendance, and Beck and Malkin and their fellow lunatic, right-wing bigots claimed 1.7 – 2 million attendees. Beck went so far as to claim he was basing his absurd numbers on some “university” study, of which he conveniently forgot the name (maybe he read it in the Paris Business Review?).

How is speaking positively about Chavez’s efforts in Venezuela, which were largely positive and strictly democratic as of a few years ago, a “sign of corruption?” It is a sign of left-leaning politics, but what exactly is corrupt about it? Glenn Beck endorsing investing in gold in his “news” broadcast while having a financial relationship with gold companies is corrupt. Dick Cheney steering no-bid contracts to Halliburton and protecting them from oversight as they rape and murder with near-impunity, all while the Vice President is receiving big checks from and holding stocks in the company, THAT is corrupt!

Also, Mark Lloyd isn’t “heading” the FCC. If you’re too dumb/ignorant to get even that right, why the fuck should anyone take you seriously?


jellyjean24
Comment posted October 19, 2009 @ 1:57 pm

Our founding father were not personally responsible for killing 70m of their fellow countrymen for disagreeing with them. Mankind is not perfect. We are a young country, by comparison to others. We have evolved a lot and have more need for improvement. We are working on it, but this government is working at replacing our thoughts and ideals with the thoughts and ideals of tyrannical dictators.


jellyjean24
Comment posted October 19, 2009 @ 2:34 pm

Transparent????? Are you kidding me or yourself????? Health Care is being done behind closed doors by Democrats only. No doctors, insurance officials, Republicans. No CNN. This is what he “said” he would do. It is a covert operation. What is he doing that is transparent? Hiring Czars that are not approved by anyone except the president? Many of these have Communist/ Socialist backgrounds. Paying over a million dollars to keep his college information from the public. The only “transparent” thing that he does is appear on his “daily” tv show where he repeats the lies that he told when he was running for the presidency. TRANSPARENT!!!!!!!! Don't hold your breath.


D_sully
Comment posted October 19, 2009 @ 3:01 pm

This was an awesome response……. I'm sorry – but this response made my day….. I think it's because it's so sincere. My favorite part is the McCarthyism…….”…you're a commie aren't you.” Actually – I'm really only responding to be an agitator. But come on – take a step away from all of the rhetoric that is so tempting to belive, especially from Beck. I agree that this thing was being jammed down our throats in July – but now things have simmered down. We are now in the negotiation phsae of this project – yet there seems to be an unwillingness to negotiate from 99% of the Republicans. Yet 75% agree that this is the direction the country needs to take….so why the discourse….I think I know – but I'll try not to add fuel to this already burning discussion. And yes…..far more transparent than his predecessor….I don't believe there has been any motions to creat an Act of Congress which allows the president to hide everything he deems necessary (AKA the Patriot Act). So – if you have any real evidence about the pending Health Bill hiding something nefairous from the Amerivcan Public, please offer that to this discussion. Otherwise, please try to control your overwhleming fear of change…..and of course……of COMMIES…….oooooooooooohhh!


jellyjean24
Comment posted October 19, 2009 @ 3:44 pm

So, you're okay with O keeping all of his records a secret? Did you ever ask yourself, why would he want to do this? All public officials are supposed to make certain documents and records available to the public–all but this President.
Have you seen O's czars' videos on the internet? Wouldn't be too, awfully terrible if there weren't so many of them. FCC guy idolizes Venesuela's taking over radio stations that disagree with Chavez. There goes democracy. If one only hears one point of view, one becomes numb to the truth.
Covering up Health Care? Why do you think the people over 55 are upset? Medicare—-$500B taken from that program to fun another program.
Watch the walnuts carefully as I move them around, then tell me where the money ends up. There is no money in Washington. Only funny money that is making every circulating dollar worth less and less. Is this how your household is run, in the RED?
And, yes, I am sincere. I love America, have taught school for 29 years, and will fight for the freedom of my children and grandchildren until the bitter end.


jellyjean24
Comment posted October 19, 2009 @ 3:44 pm

So, you're okay with O keeping all of his records a secret? Did you ever ask yourself, why would he want to do this? All public officials are supposed to make certain documents and records available to the public–all but this President.
Have you seen O's czars' videos on the internet? Wouldn't be too, awfully terrible if there weren't so many of them. FCC guy idolizes Venesuela's taking over radio stations that disagree with Chavez. There goes democracy. If one only hears one point of view, one becomes numb to the truth.
Covering up Health Care? Why do you think the people over 55 are upset? Medicare—-$500B taken from that program to fun another program.
Watch the walnuts carefully as I move them around, then tell me where the money ends up. There is no money in Washington. Only funny money that is making every circulating dollar worth less and less. Is this how your household is run, in the RED?
And, yes, I am sincere. I love America, have taught school for 29 years, and will fight for the freedom of my children and grandchildren until the bitter end.


Lisa
Comment posted October 19, 2009 @ 4:17 pm

I agree with you totally, Jellyjean24. I think many people are just snowed by Obama's charisma. I have three small kids and I am worried about their future. Obama does surround himself with communist like folks. These advisors have not hidden their true communist intentions or feelings so I do not understand why people think we are nuts for calling him out on it. I have read many of the published papers of serveral of the Czars and they are proud of their communist-like world view. If Obama didn't agree with their philosophy, then why did he hire them to advise him?


D_sully
Comment posted October 19, 2009 @ 4:56 pm

Jean – Haven't you heard the phrase '”if you live in a glass house, don't throw stones?” This phrase is oho soevident when pointing out hypocrasy. Such as the hypocrasy of those who argued against releasing Goeroge W. Bush's DUI records, National Records, etc….. But, let's not foucs on that point – unless you really are truly scared about some covert take-over of our government by Muslim radicls. Your point about people over 55 being upset that their government provided healthcare will be disrupted by providing it to the rest of the public – Do you honestly think that a health care plan would be created that cut benefits from those over 55? See – this is the problem I wanted to convey in my original post – If one stretches the truth, one can come to believe in that truth becoming a reality. Beck stretches the truth everyday, until finally people start to worry about Commies all over again. And yes, finally, I question your sincerity – you say you love this country – but I suggest you love the country that YOU want – and don't RESPECT the country that others want? Do you really think that the point of this country is to get 150 million other people who believe in what you want so as to crush theother 149 million people……….NO…….America is synonymous with COMPROMISE…… so maybe instead of fighting for the Utopia that you want for your kids and grandkids, you can start to teach them that they need to hear the wants and desires of others, and try to determine how to find a middle ground when those desires don't align with your own…..


jellyjean24
Comment posted October 19, 2009 @ 5:24 pm

Thank you. Isn't O the one that said on that famous campaign of '08, that you can tell by the people that surround me the kind of decisions I will make? Okay, that should scare a bunch of people.
If our liberal friends would only research some of these guys and look at the videos of speeches they make spewing socialism, encouraging silencing stations w/differing viewpoints, and other things coming down the pike that they would never believe could happen–they might start wondering what is going on in Wash.?
Until then, we will just fight the battle for them.


jellyjean24
Comment posted October 19, 2009 @ 6:14 pm

Either slow down on your typing, or consult a dictionary. That's just the teacher in me. Guess the part that intrigues me the most is what I consider “my America”. I am 62 years old. I have been working and paying my fair share of taxes since I was around 17. Part time jobs in the summer working at Camp Fire camps until I graduated from college. I took one year off when I had my second daughter. Retired from teaching 10 years ago and am now working about 32 hours a week at a golf course. I am paying a mortgage, driving a 94 PT Cruiser, paying off a couple of credit cards, and had planned on retiring at 65 with money that I started saving when I started work at the course. The point is, I have worked for everything that I have. No one gave me anything. Borrowed money for college, paid it back. I am a responsible citizen. I am not over-extended. I know what I can afford, unlike O's government. I also give help to my aging parents that are retired educators. Rumor has it that I should be paying more so that others don't have to work or be
responsible.
Health Care–still 1/3 of those not insured will not be insured.
WH doesn't really care. They just want control of 1/5 to 1/6 of the US money. They don't care about the health bill at all, just the control.
Look at all they have done for low income people throughout the years. Give them money, keep them from working, watch their neighborhoods detoriate, gang activity, crime running rampant, teens with babies. This promotes no self-respect for anyone in the community. If they try to get jobs, they take away some of their funds, so they opt not to work to keep the free money coming. Democrats are doing this to the poor. Obama is getting ready to really put the screws to them. They are not going to be better off. They are just going to try to get more middle-class Americans in the same boat—-depending on the government. This is where I don't want to be.
My daughters both work as do their husbands. They teach their children manners and to respect others. They attend church and do things as a family. I think I have done a good job as a parent and grandparent.
What would you have me change?


jellyjean24
Comment posted October 19, 2009 @ 6:14 pm

Either slow down on your typing, or consult a dictionary. That's just the teacher in me. Guess the part that intrigues me the most is what I consider “my America”. I am 62 years old. I have been working and paying my fair share of taxes since I was around 17. Part time jobs in the summer working at Camp Fire camps until I graduated from college. I took one year off when I had my second daughter. Retired from teaching 10 years ago and am now working about 32 hours a week at a golf course. I am paying a mortgage, driving a 94 PT Cruiser, paying off a couple of credit cards, and had planned on retiring at 65 with money that I started saving when I started work at the course. The point is, I have worked for everything that I have. No one gave me anything. Borrowed money for college, paid it back. I am a responsible citizen. I am not over-extended. I know what I can afford, unlike O's government. I also give help to my aging parents that are retired educators. Rumor has it that I should be paying more so that others don't have to work or be
responsible.
Health Care–still 1/3 of those not insured will not be insured.
WH doesn't really care. They just want control of 1/5 to 1/6 of the US money. They don't care about the health bill at all, just the control.
Look at all they have done for low income people throughout the years. Give them money, keep them from working, watch their neighborhoods detoriate, gang activity, crime running rampant, teens with babies. This promotes no self-respect for anyone in the community. If they try to get jobs, they take away some of their funds, so they opt not to work to keep the free money coming. Democrats are doing this to the poor. Obama is getting ready to really put the screws to them. They are not going to be better off. They are just going to try to get more middle-class Americans in the same boat—-depending on the government. This is where I don't want to be.
My daughters both work as do their husbands. They teach their children manners and to respect others. They attend church and do things as a family. I think I have done a good job as a parent and grandparent.
What would you have me change?


D_sully
Comment posted October 19, 2009 @ 6:49 pm

“What would you have me change”:

Your elitist attitude, e.g. ''I've done everything right, and everyone should be like me.' You're entire response reeks of elitism (especially the spelling comment). In other words, there isn't an air of forgiveness or compassion for others in your entire statement – instead it is filled with I, I, I, and me, me, me. What you've proven is that you can be self-sufficient – and that's wonderful.
What you've also done is reduced low income people to being a bunch of leeches (elitist?!?). If you've ever tasted poverty, or had glimpses of it coming toward you, you would know that MOST people do anything and everything they can for their families to avoid it, or climb out of it. (At least we know you would, right?)
What your comment lacks is any humility whatsoever. And what this national discussion lacks is any personal humility – in which one can imagine themselves being at the bottom, or being that family of 4 who has done everything right their whole life, but is besieged with a medical condition that runs them down into that leeching level you described earlier. None of us are immune, no matter how proud you are of your accomplishements to date. Don't get me wrong, you should be proud – but pride without humility is………elitist……!!


Lisa
Comment posted October 19, 2009 @ 8:10 pm

It is interesting to me that everyone here seems to be fighting with each other and putting each other down…making character judgements etc…I do not like what Obama is doing and I do not think that what he is doing will help anyone. I respect other people's viewpoints, however. I agree that we all need to compromise to come up with good solutions that work. Unfortunately, I do not see much compromise going on with our government right now. I am afraid that all those who believe their life will be changed by our government are in a world of dissappointment. I was in the Army, paid my way through college and did it all on my own. My father did the same thing and so did my husband and his parents. You will never appreciate the accomplishments in your life unless you do it on your own. On the health care issue, I agree with everyone that it must change because it is a corrupt system. I just do not believe that invloving the government will make anything run more efficiently. I am living it now. My husband has been in the Army for almost 30 years and we deal with a government run system. You do not have a choice. If they say no, then that means no and you cannot get the care you think you need. It is better than nothing though. I guess some of us will be eating crow when we see if the Obama plans work or not for us. Please try and refrain from personal attacks. Solutions always arise out of conflict, but not out of personal attacks.


D_sully
Comment posted October 19, 2009 @ 9:30 pm

Just checking – but does this mean that if someone thinks that a government system could work, they're not actually a communist? I guess what I'm saying is by “no personal attacks”, does stretching the truth into making someone out to be a communist constitue a personal attack. Or is it a personal attack to over-generalize and say that people are “snowed” (I suppose this is synonymous with brainwashed) by Obama? Don't get self-righteous all of a sudden.
Can't you see what's been done here? It's easy to say love your neighbor, and stay away from self-attacks. But if you can label everyone as a Commie, Fascist, Socialist, whatever, than it's not a personal attack anymore?? Hmmmmm, the point of it all is – we cannot stretch the truth into cartoons.
This entire reposne may all be for not, but I'm assuming you're the Lisa below who claims that Obama is hanging out with Communists. Not only are you perpretrating an out and out lie created by your very own Beck, but you are being easily distracted from the real-life discussions going on. While you mention that you can see the need to overhaul Helath Care, why is it that you are so easily distracted by Beck's 'Featured Fear of the Day'?
I agree with you that personal mudslinging detracts from the conversation – I all too often revert to these tactics.


Anonymous
Comment posted October 20, 2009 @ 4:58 am

OK Lets get technical about it, Marc Lloyd is the FCC Diversity Chief. It is
a sign of corruption because of how Chavez has a grip on the media in
Venezuela. Is that what Obama wants?? I’m just judging him by who he
surrounds himself with..I don’t give a f*ck what Dick Cheney is doing, I’m
not standing up for Cheney, he was corrupt as well but he’s not their any
more…You can keep pointing fingers at people in the Bush admin but it’s
not gonna help us in our current situation…thats old news, move on…that
must be the scape goat for anyone who talks about the Obama admin, why
compare the two administrations?? Wasn’t this sopposed to be the
administration of “change”, or was that just to get votes? It looks more and
more like it everyday.

How should anyone take you seriously?? Your the one who is calling the
people who marched at the tea parties “teabaggers”… The semi official
count from who, MSNBC?


littybell
Comment posted October 20, 2009 @ 12:21 am

Actually Beck has a simular stick as Hitler did and we all know how that turned out. Apparently, there is a fundemental part of the human psyche that fall of scapegoating.


jellyjean24
Comment posted October 20, 2009 @ 3:31 am

I am with you 1000%. I am so tired of seeing Liberals Vs. Conservatives. This is crazy. We are all Americans. I am for America. I am for helping those that “can't” help themselves. I wouldn't go into the lounge at school because some teachers are soooooo negative about the children they teach. I think kids are great. I befriended the little “gang-bangers”. Just wanted them to know that someone actually cares for them and don't think they are the scum of the earth. They are just children. They are just looking for their niche in life. They are all worth your time. Kids are our most important product. They are so fun. They are just looking for love and acceptance.
I have never been interested in politics, but something is going on in Washington that is different and makes the hair on the back of my neck stand up. I was part of integration in a small town in OK. I didn't see color, I just saw children. I love kids.
I read these blogs and can't believe the hate that is there just because of ones thoughts on the political situation.
Like I have said, when we get rid of the word before “American”, we will be a greater nation. We're just people.


jellyjean24
Comment posted October 20, 2009 @ 3:52 am

I'm an “elitist”. How cool is that!!! My parents were both teachers, and I grew up in a family of 5 children. We had little money when I was a child. What we did have was each other and music. My dad was a band and orchestra director. We did have musical instruments.
I am a retired teacher receiving about $1400 a month for retirement. Teaching school was something I did because I love children. I worked in camps for children because I love children. None of this paid a lot of money. So I am an “elitist”? I have given myself to the community for all my life, and “I am an elitist”? I am nothing. The children are everything. You don't know me or my family. I don't know you. Don't know if you are black, white, purple, or green. I don't want children to suffer.
Speaking of the “I” and “me” thing. Have you listened to Obama? It's all “I” and “me”. Just listen to him. He's not about the people of America, he's about Obama.
I was sincerely excited about the first American that was 1/2 black to be elected. I was excited for the black community. I don't pass a black person without thinking whether they are more proud or how they are feeling about all this.
Treating people as people is the most important thing for all people.
I know we have had Socialists for a long time in America. Socialism is not what made or makes America great. Americans, all Americans make America great.


jellyjean24
Comment posted October 20, 2009 @ 3:58 am

Humility? I have to lose everything to have humility? Does Hollywood have humility? Does one have to have nothing to have humility? Funds that I have donated to: Smiles for Children, Veterans with handicaps, Breast Cancer awareness, Feed the Children, American Idol gives back, Firefighters, and others. Humility? My heart is bigger than my bank account. How about you?


jellyjean24
Comment posted October 20, 2009 @ 5:00 am

The “McCarthy” thing. I was a child during this time. People were building bomb shelters in their backyards. Schools were practicing drills for bombs being dropped on US. Hollywood people were black-listed for being Communists. America didn't like Communists. They were going to kill Americans. Yes, I remember this. That is why I think it is strange that several people surrounding our President are Communists. What has happened that we now accept this as being an “okay” thing?


Lisa
Comment posted October 20, 2009 @ 5:31 am

You make a good point. Most of my best friends are very liberal so I try very hard not to make things personal. As far as the communist stuff goes. If you read the published work of the Obama Czars (many, not all), you can see that they are not hiding their communist ideals. They don't think socialist or communist ideals are bad so they wouldn't take it as an insult. They are quite open about their views. I do agree that just because someone disagrees with me it doesn't make them a commie, or socialist. In fact, I life in Germany now and can see how some socialized things work over here and the Germans are not socialists like many seem to think. I said 'brainwashed” because Obama has a good way of dancing around what he is doing. I said “snowed” because in my view, he is deliberately to convince us that his plan for us it the only good plan possible. He labels those that disagree with him as “against reform”, that is just not true. He makes it seem like he is a capitalist at heart and supports the free market, yet he is controlinng many banks and GM. It is not a free market principle to dictate who a CEO of a company is, give him advice on how to run his company and tell him what he can or cannot pay his employees in the way of bonuses.I do not think they should have bailed them out either. The point of a free market economy is that if you take a risk and you are right, you win in the way of profits, but if you are wrong, you take the loss. That is how it works. It is also not appropriate for his administration to comment on a news network and label them as an arm of the Republican Party. The government should not make blanket comments about a news organization. If they think something is reported in error, then they should correct the mistake not just make general statements like, “Fox News is an arm of the Republican Party.”
I have heard Obama say that they are reporting “lies” yet he hasn't made an corrections about anything in particular tht they have reported. It seems like they are trying to slime the network without offering any example of inaccuacies. He also has made comments that if you do not agree with the way they want to do health care, you are against reform, I want reform, just not so much direct government involvement. For the record, I believe everyone should have health care that is reasonably priced. I have had some medical issues and I would be in trouble if I didn't have insurance. I also believe it is a personal responsibility to plan and purchase insurance when you are young and healthy so it will be there when you need it. I know many people that just decide not to buy it because they think they don't need it and then complained when they got sick and couldn't get it. The people I know, could have afforded coverage, but chose not to. I do not have all the answers to the health care mess, but my gut feeling is that the more government involvement the worse it will be. I see first hand how the governement wastes money. If you are not concerned with making a profit, then there is no real motivation to be efficient. There is also no incentive to innovate without the possibility of profit. There is a reason why our country became so successful economically in only a couple hundered years….free markets. I have to say, that I do agree with Obama that we should all have to purchase health insurance because if we don't pay for it on our own, then one day we will end up in the emergency room and the government “us” will have to pay. I believe that we are all responsible for ourselves and our families and should not rely on our government to make our lives better. Our health and our lives are our responsibility. Yes, the government should regulate the insurance companies so they do not get out of control like they have been, but they should not control the industry.


Lisa
Comment posted October 20, 2009 @ 5:48 am

I agree. We are all in this together as “Americans”. The children are our future. I have three little ones, 8, 6 and 4. I want them to experience the American I grew up in, to include having to make sacrifices. The concept of actually “saving” money for something special is just about lost these days. I grew up poor. My dad worked at Mc Donalds while he put himself through college while raising three kids. My mom also worked. We didn't have much, but appreciated everything. We had love and happiness in our family. When we didn't have as much as others, I never heard my parents say that there was something wrong with the government or that the government needed to help us. I got one pair of shoes a year. I know what it is like to do without. Because my dad worked hard, he now has a successful accounting business and he an my mom are enjoying life. All of his four children put themselves through college. I believe in limited governement and self reliance. I really believe that when you can accomplish anything on your own, you value and appreciate it more. I also believe that if you feel like you need government assistance to be happy, then you have lost hope in yourself. I think that when a politian blames ones situation of the government, then convinces people that the only way their lives will be better is if the government steps in, hope in oneself dissapears. People start to feel like they can't make it on their own because of one reason or the other. Thanks for being a teacher and all your service to the community. I am sure that by your words and actions, you provided hope and incentive for many many children.


jellyjean24
Comment posted October 20, 2009 @ 5:55 am

Thank you for the Thank you. While I was teaching for my 29 years, I received maybe a 1/2 dozen notes of thanks. Although that felt really good, seeing the kids and having a great time with them was all I needed.
Kids come to my golf course, and I try to take care of them. Some wanted to walk our difficult course, and I made sure that they had enough to drink or someone rescued them in a thunderstorm. I did it for the love of the kids. They are great. Let's all hang in there together.


D_sully
Comment posted October 20, 2009 @ 1:19 pm

Lisa – let me concede that many Liberals are exceptionally quick to throw out the “racist” card. Again, this is a short and quick way to end a debate if you can reduce your opponent to a bad name. My point about Beck and most of the posters to this site is that exaggeration is the name of the game. Labelling any of the czars as Communist is as absurd as labelling someone in the Bush administration as a Fascist. We are all Americans, and some may think that the governement should stay out of everything, and others may think that more intervention is necessary. It's that middle ground that we surround that makes America successful. However, when we surround the middle ground by such extreme distances, the end goal becomes blurred.
The Country loves to have an antagonist – I should know, I spent the last 8 years cringing at the sound of Dick Cheney's name. I understand the need to bash Obama – but when it detracts from such important issues like the future of our Health Care (for our children and grandchildren……) it begins to blur the goal.
What I mean by a blurred goal is – in the Health Care debate we seem to be surrounding two major options, Public Option or a Co-Op type of option. If there is a viable third option, it should be brought to the table and discussed as well. But these forums would be better served to educate ourselves and others on the disadvantages and advantages of these options. Discussing whether or not someone is a communist because Glen Beck says they are……well, it's nothing but a distraction from the things that really matter to us……the common American people.


D_sully
Comment posted October 20, 2009 @ 2:03 pm

To Jellyjean and LIsa – Thank you for the conversations – but I'm afraid our future posts will be too skinny to read.
In conclusion – the “elitist” nomer is unfair. Perhaps it was more for shock value. I appreciate both of your backgrounds, and hope for a bright future for you. I won't share my background for fear that it will come off as a “I had it worse than you” competition.
The point is – as tough as we may have had it, there are 10's of millions who have had it worse. That's not to say that your charitable contributions aren't beneficial. It's just saying that we should always give thanks for what we have, realize that it could be gone tomorrow, and attempt to empathize with the other half of the country (this takes humility). The opposite of my definition of 'humility' is to assume that our way is the only way…..or that 'Our America' is the only America.
The other half of the country aren't bumbling, blind buffoons. (Don't get me wrong – there are some nutty people out there). They're just on the other end of this never-ending tug-of-war game that we're all a part of. Don't forget, we're not trying to pull the other team all the way over to our side – we're trying to end the game in a stalemate with a common, and democratically agreed upon middle ground.
Best, Sully!


firespud16
Comment posted October 20, 2009 @ 2:38 pm

McCain isn't a conservative.

Since the finger is getting pointed at Glenn Beck here he even said that

Beck even said that.

http://kevinjthompson.wordpress.com/2008/08/01/…


dfgjngijogmn
Comment posted October 20, 2009 @ 3:00 pm

this article quiet frankly is chopped eddied and screwed with the women in the white house said he favorite political philosopher is MAO she didn't quote him she proclaimed him she even said “I Think about him all the time.” Anita Dunn claims it was a joke?! I don't think its funny to make a joke about some one who killed 70 million people. This just shows the government is taking over evrything including this website


Lisa
Comment posted October 20, 2009 @ 3:03 pm

Thaks to both of you for the good debate. I wish you both the best in life. I am thankful for my life and also for the great opportunity to have conversations with others online. It is good for me to hear the other side. I know I don't have all the answers. Maybe now, I understand a little more about how others feel about things. Thanks so much!


Anonymous
Comment posted October 20, 2009 @ 11:46 pm

First of all, learn the English language, kid. Second of all, you still haven’t explained how admiration for some of Chavez’s policies is corrupt. You may disagree with Lloyd, but you haven’t demonstrated any improprieties or abuses of power (by the way, Chavez was perfectly justified in declining to renew the license for the opposition television station last year, even if it wasn’t a smart political move; they openly supported an illegal coup, after all). I mentioned actual examples of corruption solely for the purpose of explaining what corruption is to you, as you are apparently a very ignorant, unintelligent person. The endemic corruption and extreme abuses of power in the Bush administration clearly do not excuse any allegedly inappropriate behavior from the Obama administration, but it is useful in calling out the hypocrisy of Republicans.

As for the teabaggers, that is the most appropriate description I can think of for a group of people who tape teabags to their hats and carry signs calling for the forced ‘teabagging’ of Obama and Democrats (essentially rape). And the semi-official count comes from the D.C. Metro Fire Department, which is where actual reporters got their numbers, rather than their own assholes (the preferred method for your kind).

Give up, kid. You don’t have the facts on your side and you don’t have the intellectual capacity to bullshit a decent argument, regardless. All you have is your hate and your Becktard smears.


Anonymous
Comment posted October 20, 2009 @ 11:46 pm

First of all, learn the English language, kid. Second of all, you still haven’t explained how admiration for some of Chavez’s policies is corrupt. You may disagree with Lloyd, but you haven’t demonstrated any improprieties or abuses of power (by the way, Chavez was perfectly justified in declining to renew the license for the opposition television station last year, even if it wasn’t a smart political move; they openly supported an illegal coup, after all). I mentioned actual examples of corruption solely for the purpose of explaining what corruption is to you, as you are apparently a very ignorant, unintelligent person. The endemic corruption and extreme abuses of power in the Bush administration clearly do not excuse any allegedly inappropriate behavior from the Obama administration, but it is useful in calling out the hypocrisy of Republicans.

As for the teabaggers, that is the most appropriate description I can think of for a group of people who tape teabags to their hats and carry signs calling for the forced ‘teabagging’ of Obama and Democrats (essentially rape). And the semi-official count comes from the D.C. Metro Fire Department, which is where actual reporters got their numbers, rather than their own assholes (the preferred method for your kind).

Give up, kid. You don’t have the facts on your side and you don’t have the intellectual capacity to bullshit a decent argument, regardless. All you have is your hate and your Becktard smears.


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